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2013-01-25 01:10:13 PM  
Dear Republicans:

So long as you keep incredibly stupid shiat like this up, please stop getting outraged when the rest of us tell you that you don't understand how money works. Because clearly, you don't. And this is Exhibit #1 as to why you shouldn't be allowed control of a $10 piggybank, much less a state or national economy.

Thanks,

Those of us who DO understand how money works
 
2013-01-25 01:17:48 PM  
Virginia has gone full Arizona

/you folks voted for this?
 
2013-01-25 01:43:33 PM  
No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.
 
2013-01-25 01:46:11 PM  
when the Federal Reserve crashes


I stockpiled Geoffrey Dollars against just such an eventuality.
 
2013-01-25 01:51:10 PM  
Bob Marshall is the Westboro Baptist of the Virginia General Assembly.
 
2013-01-25 01:58:28 PM  
I'm ready to trade bags of salt for ammunition when the time comes.
 
2013-01-25 02:02:36 PM  
Virginia: Where radar detectors are illegal but DON"T YOU DARE TOUCH MAH GUNS 0BONGO!
 
2013-01-25 02:06:07 PM  
republicans are farking nuts. seriously farking nuts. they're all goddamned SHTF preppers now. guns. gold. what's next? shelters?
 
2013-01-25 02:20:37 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Virginia has gone full Arizona

/you folks voted for this?


Sure didn't. Democrat Chap Petersen is my state senator.
 
2013-01-25 02:20:45 PM  
Virginia takes pride in having its own culture and history, its own unique way of doing business.

Uh .... okay.

But does the commonwealth also need its own money?

Maybe so, says Del. Robert Marshall (R-Prince William), who is pushing a bill in the General Assembly that would mandate a study of whether the state "should adopt an alternate medium of commerce or currency to serve as an alternative to the currency distributed by the Federal Reserve System in the event of a major breakdown of the Federal Reserve System."


This. Is. Bullsh*t. It is a way to funnel money to some friends or business associates.

I hope the taxpayers of Virginia are happy with the way their representatives are wasting spending their tax dollars.
 
2013-01-25 02:40:22 PM  
Constitutionally, it can only be gold or silver. If they want to do that, go ahead.
 
2013-01-25 02:41:02 PM  
Since it's by that party the money is being backed by rape
 
2013-01-25 02:41:08 PM  
And liberals should be create a new state militia to round all those bastards up and line them up on the wall.
 
2013-01-25 02:42:03 PM  
I gotta admire their moxie. Somehow, the currency backed by the full faith and credit of the federal government of the United States won't be enough, but Virginia -- surely the greatest of the 50 states -- will be trustworthy in the eyes of the world.
 
2013-01-25 02:42:05 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Virginia takes pride in having its own culture and history, its own unique way of doing business.

Uh .... okay.

But does the commonwealth also need its own money?

Maybe so, says Del. Robert Marshall (R-Prince William), who is pushing a bill in the General Assembly that would mandate a study of whether the state "should adopt an alternate medium of commerce or currency to serve as an alternative to the currency distributed by the Federal Reserve System in the event of a major breakdown of the Federal Reserve System."

This. Is. Bullsh*t. It is a way to funnel money to some friends or business associates.

I hope the taxpayers of Virginia are happy with the way their representatives are wasting spending their tax dollars.


Ahh it's Bob Marshall, The only GOP politician in the state who makes "Taliban Ken" Cuccinelli look sane
 
2013-01-25 02:42:32 PM  
These are the same farkers who claim Obama is destroying the constitution. Farking Tea Baggers need to stop studying things out.
 
2013-01-25 02:42:35 PM  
I'd love to see what their papermoney would look like.
 
2013-01-25 02:42:57 PM  
Virginia takes pride in having its own culture and history, its own unique way of doing business.

Because the suburban office parks in Fairfax do business way differently than the suburban office parks in Charlotte.

Yeesh. Even the states are becoming precious and unique snowflakes.
 
2013-01-25 02:42:59 PM  

whistleridge: Dear Republicans:

So long as you keep incredibly stupid shiat like this up, please stop getting outraged when the rest of us tell you that you don't understand how money works. Because clearly, you don't. And this is Exhibit #1 as to why you shouldn't be allowed control of a $10 piggybank, much less a state or national economy.

Thanks,

Those of us who DO understand how money works


So I assume you are running for office then?
 
2013-01-25 02:43:07 PM  
Measures like this wouldn't be needed if Soshalist Muslin HUSSEIN Fartbongo weren't farking up our country!
 
2013-01-25 02:43:35 PM  
t2.gstatic.com
 
2013-01-25 02:44:06 PM  
I would give every penny I own for required psychological examinations as a prerequisite for holding public office.
 
2013-01-25 02:44:20 PM  
I LOVE MY HOME STATE! never short on the crazy...
 
2013-01-25 02:44:21 PM  
Ima probably spend all my Virginiabux™ on rape wands.
 
2013-01-25 02:44:58 PM  
Denominations of 1's and 2's and potato.
 
2013-01-25 02:45:13 PM  

cookiefleck: I'd love to see what their papermoney would look like.


i321.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-25 02:45:34 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: Measures like this wouldn't be needed if Soshalist Muslin HUSSEIN Fartbongo weren't farking up our country!


Inorite? If he wasn't made of muslin, maybe instead a good silk or even cotton, I'd be all for him. It's that muslin that gets to me.
 
2013-01-25 02:45:44 PM  

impaler: No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.


The Constitution is just like, your opinion, man.
 
2013-01-25 02:48:40 PM  
I thought the backup currency was Tide detergent.

Or is that another demographic?
 
2013-01-25 02:49:31 PM  
When I lived in Mississippi in the 1990s, my parents in Virginia sent my son, who was in fourth or fifth grade at time, some money on his birthday. His friend replied, "Gosh, Virginia money looks just like Mississippi money."
 
2013-01-25 02:49:48 PM  

cookiefleck: I'd love to see what their papermoney would look like.


Probably something like this:

www.byelii.com
 
2013-01-25 02:51:56 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: cookiefleck: I'd love to see what their papermoney would look like.

[i321.photobucket.com image 410x224]


It would have to include a bald eagle, a rifle and Dale Earnhardt's "33"
 
2013-01-25 02:52:00 PM  
Man, this is seriously bad idea.
 
2013-01-25 02:52:35 PM  
Gold standard?
Sure, why not...

/on the other hand, one fiat currency is as good as any other.
 
2013-01-25 02:52:59 PM  
If the nickels have a picture of a bumblebee on them they might win some support.
 
2013-01-25 02:53:07 PM  

doyner: impaler: No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.

The Constitution is just like, your opinion, man.


good thing that it will only cost $22,000 to study whether this bill should go forward. not sure how reading one sentence in the constitution costs $22,000... i need that farking job
 
2013-01-25 02:53:13 PM  
Everyone must carry a virginia ham.
 
2013-01-25 02:53:14 PM  

cookiefleck: Sin_City_Superhero: cookiefleck: I'd love to see what their papermoney would look like.

[i321.photobucket.com image 410x224]

It would have to include a bald eagle, a rifle and Dale Earnhardt's "33"


lol 3.
 
2013-01-25 02:54:01 PM  
I am waiting for the return of CP money.

www.futilitycloset.com
 
2013-01-25 02:54:09 PM  
Damn. Just looked at a dollar bill from my wallet, and it was printed by those crazy maniacs in San Francisco!
 
2013-01-25 02:54:43 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Virginia has gone full Arizona

/you folks voted for this?


Half of us didn't. Virginia is gerrymandered to look crazier than it actually is.
 
2013-01-25 02:57:10 PM  
wow, just wow.

wiki
 
2013-01-25 02:59:41 PM  
It's a contest between derisive laughter and a groaning facepalm and I seem to have combined them into one complicated gesture.

Two great tastes that taste great together!
 
2013-01-25 03:00:51 PM  

doyner: impaler: No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.

The Constitution is just like, your opinion, man.


Why don't they just plan to use gold and silver?
 
2013-01-25 03:01:08 PM  

cookiefleck: Sin_City_Superhero: cookiefleck: I'd love to see what their papermoney would look like.

[i321.photobucket.com image 410x224]

It would have to include a bald eagle, a rifle and Dale Earnhardt's "33"


Lolwut?

/proud, Liebrul NECKAR fan.
 
2013-01-25 03:01:09 PM  

MBooda: Damn. Just looked at a dollar bill from my wallet, and it was printed by those crazy maniacs in San Francisco!


Oddly, occupy san francisco was demanding that people should have the right to print their own money. Still a bad idea, no matter which side brings it up.
 
2013-01-25 03:03:38 PM  

whistleridge: Dear Republicans:

So long as you keep incredibly stupid shiat like this up, please stop getting outraged when the rest of us tell you that you don't understand how money works. Because clearly, you don't. And this is Exhibit #1 as to why you shouldn't be allowed control of a $10 piggybank, much less a state or national economy.

Thanks,

Those of us who DO understand how money works


The subject here is not money, but currency.

//FTW
 
2013-01-25 03:04:20 PM  
Meh, it only violates the Constitution, no big deal.
 
2013-01-25 03:05:32 PM  
What must Bob's sister think of all this?

29.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-01-25 03:06:32 PM  
How about bitcoins?
 
2013-01-25 03:06:53 PM  

Just_a_Bear: Meh, it only violates the Constitution, no big deal.


The federal reserve violates the constitution.
The constitutions guarantees the right of congress to print and coin money / set standards and weights.
Congress has given up their right to the Fed, and thus the taxation without representation.
 
2013-01-25 03:07:43 PM  

Disposable Rob: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Virginia has gone full Arizona

/you folks voted for this?

Half of us didn't. Virginia is gerrymandered to look crazier than it actually is.


Which is why the Republicans in the General Assembly are pushing to allocate our Electoral College votes based on the outcome in each Congressional district rather than the state-wide popular vote.
 
2013-01-25 03:11:01 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: If the nickels have a picture of a bumblebee on them they might win some support.


"Gimme 5 bees for a quarter," you'd say.
 
2013-01-25 03:13:03 PM  

byelii: cookiefleck: I'd love to see what their papermoney would look like.

Probably something like this:

[www.byelii.com image 850x363]


Six months after the Ratification of a treaty of Peace between the Confederate States and the United States the Confederate States will pay 100 Dollars to bearer
media.comicvine.com
 
2013-01-25 03:13:05 PM  
What's with all the derpitude in Virginia lately? Something in the water?
 
2013-01-25 03:15:01 PM  
I have WAY too many friends who are prepping for the whole "shiat hits the fan" concept, as if the entire country is about to imminently dissolve into a state of complete anarchy approaching Somalia.

They're stockpiling food, weapons, and ammunition. I've been ridiculed because I don't have thousands of rounds of ammo for dozens of guns handy (and I'm not anti-gun, and I just might have some high-capacity magazines for the guns I might happen to already own) (or might not, not actually saying). Sure, shooting is fun, and it's more fun if you don't have to constantly reload.

But folks, society isn't going to collapse tomorrow, or the next day, or next year. It's not likely to even happen in my lifetime. There's no imminent event to prepare for, other than the next hurricane or flood. And unless you're in New Orleans or Detroit, that won't require you to have high-cap mags, bullet-resistant clothing, or months of food stored.

And folks, socialized medicine is a GOOD thing, I WISH that was what the Affordable Care Act actually is, but it's at least a step in the right direction. Society is LESS likely to collapse if people who can't afford today's exorbitant cost of health care don't have to resort to crime. And society is certainly less likely to collapse if we make sure that the least fortunate among us are able to at least have adequate food and housing. It would help if we could find a way to move incomes in a more equal direction, because if we were to equally divide the US GDP today, every person in the county would make nearly $50,000 per year. Enough to live on? Have a comfortable life? Yeah, I thought so.
 
2013-01-25 03:17:07 PM  

HartRend: Just_a_Bear: Meh, it only violates the Constitution, no big deal.

The federal reserve violates the constitution.
The constitutions guarantees the right of congress to print and coin money / set standards and weights.
Congress has given up their right to the Fed, and thus the taxation without representation.


t2.gstatic.com
 
2013-01-25 03:18:26 PM  

doyner: HartRend: Just_a_Bear: Meh, it only violates the Constitution, no big deal.

The federal reserve violates the constitution.
The constitutions guarantees the right of congress to print and coin money / set standards and weights.
Congress has given up their right to the Fed, and thus the taxation without representation.

[t2.gstatic.com image 259x194]


Have you even read the constitution? Clearly not...
 
2013-01-25 03:20:12 PM  

dericwater: What's with all the derpitude in Virginia lately? Something in the water?


Lately? Virginia has more crazy than Florida. Florida is Grandpa's Naptime compared to the Nightmare Fuel of Virginia. This place gets worse every day. And yet Florida has the tag.
 
2013-01-25 03:20:53 PM  
For anybody who thinks negatively of the Virginian Republicans you may want to google a few subjects:

The Fractional Reserve Banking System

The Derivative Bubble

The Mortgage crisis.

Mortgage rubber stamping.

The fall of the Roman Empire

These will get you started...
 
2013-01-25 03:21:01 PM  

HartRend: The federal reserve violates the constitution.
The constitutions guarantees the right of congress to print and coin money / set standards and weights.
Congress has given up their right to the Fed, and thus the taxation without representation.


You run with that, Sparky. I'll knock on the airlock of your bunker when it's safe to come out.
 
2013-01-25 03:21:14 PM  

HartRend: whistleridge: Dear Republicans:

So long as you keep incredibly stupid shiat like this up, please stop getting outraged when the rest of us tell you that you don't understand how money works. Because clearly, you don't. And this is Exhibit #1 as to why you shouldn't be allowed control of a $10 piggybank, much less a state or national economy.

Thanks,

Those of us who DO understand how money works

The subject here is not money, but currency.

//FTW


FTFA:

"Marshall's bill expresses concern that the value of greenbacks could be destroyed by "hyperinflation." It notes that "from our nation's founding, there has been concern regarding the country's monetary and banking systems and their potential to harm the citizenry," and that Thomas Jefferson himself "expressed deep concern about the social instability that may ultimately result from bank-issued paper money."

In other words, it's about money. Specifically, wasting it on bullshiat 'studies' that are unconstitutional but sell well with those parts of the base who are already thinking RAND PAUL 2016!!
 
2013-01-25 03:21:55 PM  

Arkanaut: I gotta admire their moxie. Somehow, the currency backed by the full faith and credit

ability of the federal government of the United States to forcefully extract taxes from its subjects at the point of a gun won't be enough, but Virginia -- surely the greatest of the 50 states -- will be trustworthy in the eyes of the world.


/Edited for accuracy
 
2013-01-25 03:22:39 PM  
I thought this might be about Milton Freidman and the Chicago School's South American AdventuresTM, but it looks like this is really about "mandating a study", which I'm sure this Marshall fellow has already selected a few of his relatives and closest friends to conduct this extensive and necessary 20-year study.
 
2013-01-25 03:24:27 PM  

GreatGlavinsGhost: I thought this might be about Milton Freidman and the Chicago School's South American AdventuresTM, but it looks like this is really about "mandating a study", which I'm sure this Marshall fellow has already selected a few of his relatives and closest friends to conduct this extensive and necessary 20-year study.


Gah, I've mixed up two threads!

/FTFM
 
2013-01-25 03:25:01 PM  

whistleridge: HartRend: whistleridge: Dear Republicans:

So long as you keep incredibly stupid shiat like this up, please stop getting outraged when the rest of us tell you that you don't understand how money works. Because clearly, you don't. And this is Exhibit #1 as to why you shouldn't be allowed control of a $10 piggybank, much less a state or national economy.

Thanks,

Those of us who DO understand how money works

The subject here is not money, but currency.

//FTW

FTFA:

"Marshall's bill expresses concern that the value of greenbacks could be destroyed by "hyperinflation." It notes that "from our nation's founding, there has been concern regarding the country's monetary and banking systems and their potential to harm the citizenry," and that Thomas Jefferson himself "expressed deep concern about the social instability that may ultimately result from bank-issued paper money."

In other words, it's about money. Specifically, wasting it on bullshiat 'studies' that are unconstitutional but sell well with those parts of the base who are already thinking RAND PAUL 2016!!


FTF HEADLINE:

Bill to study 'alternate currency' for Va. inches forward
 
2013-01-25 03:26:50 PM  

theorellior: HartRend: The federal reserve violates the constitution.
The constitutions guarantees the right of congress to print and coin money / set standards and weights.
Congress has given up their right to the Fed, and thus the taxation without representation.

You run with that, Sparky. I'll knock on the airlock of your bunker when it's safe to come out.


Well considering what they have done to your dollar, you may want to reconsider your position.

Go check out gold prices, see what the real buying power of your dollar is.

If you are right, then we both get to have a good time.

If I am right, only I get to have a good time.
 
2013-01-25 03:27:24 PM  

HartRend: For anybody who thinks negatively of the Virginian Republicans you may want to google a few subjects:

The Fractional Reserve Banking System


Derp.

Did you know Fractional Reserve Banking was invented by GOLD lenders? Has shiatall to do with fiat.
 
2013-01-25 03:28:21 PM  
If the US Dollar collapses the world would be pretty farked.

However I assume people would start using another currency automaticly, even if it's a canned soup based one.
 
2013-01-25 03:28:45 PM  

impaler: HartRend: For anybody who thinks negatively of the Virginian Republicans you may want to google a few subjects:

The Fractional Reserve Banking System

Derp.

Did you know Fractional Reserve Banking was invented by GOLD lenders? Has shiatall to do with fiat.


Unless you take the gold out of the equation.
 
2013-01-25 03:29:16 PM  
I'm already hoarding nickels. They'll never be worth zero, since they're 25% nickel.

/worth 9 cents ATM.....
 
2013-01-25 03:29:29 PM  

spawn73: If the US Dollar collapses the world would be pretty farked.

However I assume people would start using another currency automaticly, even if it's a canned soup based one.


Judging by this article, they already are.
 
2013-01-25 03:30:19 PM  

HartRend: doyner: HartRend: Just_a_Bear: Meh, it only violates the Constitution, no big deal.

The federal reserve violates the constitution.
The constitutions guarantees the right of congress to print and coin money / set standards and weights.
Congress has given up their right to the Fed, and thus the taxation without representation.

[t2.gstatic.com image 259x194]

Have you even read the constitution? Clearly not...


Congress has the right to raise armies and maintain the Navy.  When Electric Boat fixes one of our submarines does that mean they've given up their right?
 
2013-01-25 03:30:38 PM  
Oh great. Another RonPaul jockstrap to suck all the oxygen out of the air in here.

/bails out
 
2013-01-25 03:31:20 PM  

Superjew: I would give every penny I own for required psychological examinations as a prerequisite for holding public office.


I can't support this enough; it is way overdue. I too would honestly give up all my possessions to see this in effect, gladly. I think many people are confident the bulk of those in power in WashDC are seriously flawed individuals in need of medication, counseling and perhaps institution living. And you bet you favorite book in the bookcase it's even worse for those in military and law enforcement.

That's why politicians (the rich & powerful) have themselves surrounded by 5 layers of gun toting henchmen ready willing and able to kill 'for the cause'. Those in power are truly horrible people that should be put down like rabid raccoons. Any person that wants to lord over others and make others bend to their will and demands is seriously twisted.
 
2013-01-25 03:31:59 PM  

doyner: HartRend: doyner: HartRend: Just_a_Bear: Meh, it only violates the Constitution, no big deal.

The federal reserve violates the constitution.
The constitutions guarantees the right of congress to print and coin money / set standards and weights.
Congress has given up their right to the Fed, and thus the taxation without representation.

[t2.gstatic.com image 259x194]

Have you even read the constitution? Clearly not...

Congress has the right to raise armies and maintain the Navy.  When Electric Boat fixes one of our submarines does that mean they've given up their right?


How does that even parallel with this? I don't understand the analogy you are trying to draw.
 
2013-01-25 03:33:12 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: MBooda: Damn. Just looked at a dollar bill from my wallet, and it was printed by those crazy maniacs in San Francisco!

Oddly, occupy san francisco was demanding that people should have the right to print their own money. Still a bad idea, no matter which side brings it up.


Perhaps, but the person who brought it up on one side is a powerful, elected official. A few of the loosely organized group of people who brought it up on the other side are just urban campers with an axe to grind.
 
2013-01-25 03:33:15 PM  

HartRend: doyner: HartRend: doyner: HartRend: Just_a_Bear: Meh, it only violates the Constitution, no big deal.

The federal reserve violates the constitution.
The constitutions guarantees the right of congress to print and coin money / set standards and weights.
Congress has given up their right to the Fed, and thus the taxation without representation.

[t2.gstatic.com image 259x194]

Have you even read the constitution? Clearly not...

Congress has the right to raise armies and maintain the Navy.  When Electric Boat fixes one of our submarines does that mean they've given up their right?

How does that even parallel with this? I don't understand the analogy you are trying to draw.


The parallel is having a private entity act under the authority of Congress.
 
2013-01-25 03:33:19 PM  
The "Federal Reserve" - a privately owned bank celebrating 100 years of printing "money" out of thin air and "loaning" it to the United States Government at interest, said interest being collected from The People, under duress, in the form of Taxes.

It's nice work - if you can get it.


/Yes, America
//There is an Amendment that should be repealed
///And no, it isn't the Second Amendment
 
2013-01-25 03:33:37 PM  

HartRend: Well considering what they have done to your dollar,


Kept its value fluctuations at a stable low rate of inflation with very little variance? The horror. The markets hate predictability.

Next are you going to tell us to go to shadowstats to study it out?
 
2013-01-25 03:34:37 PM  
What the proposed Virginia money might look like:
imageshack.us
 
2013-01-25 03:34:39 PM  

Amos Quito: The "Federal Reserve" - a privately owned bank celebrating 100 years of printing "money" out of thin air and "loaning" it to the United States Government at interest, said interest being collected from The People, under duress, in the form of Taxes.

It's nice work - if you can get it.


/Yes, America
//There is an Amendment that should be repealed
///And no, it isn't the Second Amendment


The 3rd?
 
2013-01-25 03:35:50 PM  

Amos Quito: Arkanaut: I gotta admire their moxie. Somehow, the currency backed by the full faith and credit ability of the federal government of the United States to forcefully extract taxes from its subjects at the point of a gun won't be enough, but Virginia -- surely the greatest of the 50 states -- will be trustworthy in the eyes of the world.


/Edited for accuracy


Ah yes, I too reminisce about the days before the Federal Government had guns, and nobody paid any taxes ever.
 
2013-01-25 03:37:16 PM  
MaudlinMutantMollusk: /you folks voted for this?

Nope.
 
2013-01-25 03:37:22 PM  

doyner: HartRend: doyner: HartRend: doyner: HartRend: Just_a_Bear: Meh, it only violates the Constitution, no big deal.

The federal reserve violates the constitution.
The constitutions guarantees the right of congress to print and coin money / set standards and weights.
Congress has given up their right to the Fed, and thus the taxation without representation.

[t2.gstatic.com image 259x194]

Have you even read the constitution? Clearly not...

Congress has the right to raise armies and maintain the Navy.  When Electric Boat fixes one of our submarines does that mean they've given up their right?

How does that even parallel with this? I don't understand the analogy you are trying to draw.

The parallel is having a private entity act under the authority of Congress.


The private entity in your case has oversight, the navy, not in the Fed's case. The Federal Reserve has never been audited in it's 100+ years of existence.
 
2013-01-25 03:37:32 PM  
Do you even know how to read or conduct basic research? Or are your abilities limited to regurgitating whatever crap email talking points Crazy Uncle Larry forwards you from whatever stormfront thread du jour it is that he's reading?

HartRend: Just_a_Bear: Meh, it only violates the Constitution, no big deal.

The federal reserve violates the constitution.


Not according to the Supreme Court:


U.S. v. Rickman, 638 F.2d 182, C.A.Kan. 1980:

Federal Reserve Notes in which the defendant, charged with failure to file federal income tax returns, was paid were lawful money within the meaning of the United States Constitution.


U.S. v. Wangrund, 533 F.2d 495; C.A.Cal. 1976

The statute establishing Federal Reserve Notes as legal tender for all debts, public and private, including taxes, is within the constitutional authority of Congress; thus the defendant could not overturn his conviction on two counts of wilful failure to make an income tax return on the theory that he did not receive money since checks he received as compensation for his services could be cashed only for Federal Reserve Notes which were not redeemable in specie.


Nixon v. Individual Head of St. Joseph Mortgage Company, 615 F.Supp. 890, affirmed 787 F.2d 596. D.C.Ind. 1985.

Federal Reserve notes are legal tender.


Ginter v. Southern
, 611 F.2d 1226, certiorari denied 100 S.Ct 2946, 446 US 967, 64 L.E.d.2d 827. C.A.Ark. 1979.

Tax protestor's claims concerning the constitutionality of the Federal Reserve System, Internal Revenue Code and establishment of tax court were so frivolous as not to require discussion and detail. USCA Const. Amends. 5, 13;


U.S. v. Schmitz
, 542 F.2d 782 certiorari denied 97 S.Ct. 1134, 429 US 1105, 51 L.Ed.2d 556. C.A.Cal. 1976.

Federal Reserve Notes constitute legal tender and are taxable dollars.


Milam v. U.S., 524 F.2d 629. C.A.Cal. 1974.

The statute which delegates to the Federal Reserve System the power to issue circulating notes for money borrowed and the power to define the quality and force of those notes as currency is valid ... Although golden eagles, double eagles, and silver dollars were lovely to look at and delightful to hold, the holder of a $50 Federal Reserve Bank Note, although entitled to redeem his note, was not entitled to do so in precious metal.

The constitutions guarantees the right of congress to print and coin money / set standards and weights.

Yes it does. Article I, Section 10, as cited before in this thread.

Congress has given up their right to the Fed, and thus the taxation without representation.

Actually, the Fed is still entirely regulated by Congress, via a whole body of applicable laws and regulations. That Paulites are too stupid to look these up doesn't mean they're right.
 
2013-01-25 03:38:38 PM  

impaler: HartRend: Well considering what they have done to your dollar,

Kept its value fluctuations at a stable low rate of inflation with very little variance? The horror. The markets hate predictability.

Next are you going to tell us to go to shadowstats to study it out?


You clearly don't have any money.
 
2013-01-25 03:40:16 PM  
A whole lot of but hurt in this thread.

I need to look at buying a house on the other side of the river.
 
2013-01-25 03:40:58 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: ThrobblefootSpectre: MBooda: Damn. Just looked at a dollar bill from my wallet, and it was printed by those crazy maniacs in San Francisco!

Oddly, occupy san francisco was demanding that people should have the right to print their own money. Still a bad idea, no matter which side brings it up.

Perhaps, but the person who brought it up on one side is a powerful, elected official. A few of the loosely organized group of people who brought it up on the other side are just urban campers with an axe to grind.


Today's urban campers with an axe to grind are tomorrow's powerful, elected officials.

/meet the new boss
 
2013-01-25 03:41:17 PM  

whistleridge: That Paulites are too stupid to look these up doesn't mean they're right.


STUDY IT OUT!
 
2013-01-25 03:41:29 PM  
God damnit.
 
2013-01-25 03:41:31 PM  
So what is the exchange rate for Bison dollars?
 
2013-01-25 03:41:32 PM  

whistleridge: Do you even know how to read or conduct basic research? Or are your abilities limited to regurgitating whatever crap email talking points Crazy Uncle Larry forwards you from whatever stormfront thread du jour it is that he's reading?

HartRend: Just_a_Bear: Meh, it only violates the Constitution, no big deal.

The federal reserve violates the constitution.

Not according to the Supreme Court:


U.S. v. Rickman, 638 F.2d 182, C.A.Kan. 1980:

Federal Reserve Notes in which the defendant, charged with failure to file federal income tax returns, was paid were lawful money within the meaning of the United States Constitution.


U.S. v. Wangrund, 533 F.2d 495; C.A.Cal. 1976

The statute establishing Federal Reserve Notes as legal tender for all debts, public and private, including taxes, is within the constitutional authority of Congress; thus the defendant could not overturn his conviction on two counts of wilful failure to make an income tax return on the theory that he did not receive money since checks he received as compensation for his services could be cashed only for Federal Reserve Notes which were not redeemable in specie.


Nixon v. Individual Head of St. Joseph Mortgage Company, 615 F.Supp. 890, affirmed 787 F.2d 596. D.C.Ind. 1985.

Federal Reserve notes are legal tender.


Ginter v. Southern, 611 F.2d 1226, certiorari denied 100 S.Ct 2946, 446 US 967, 64 L.E.d.2d 827. C.A.Ark. 1979.

Tax protestor's claims concerning the constitutionality of the Federal Reserve System, Internal Revenue Code and establishment of tax court were so frivolous as not to require discussion and detail. USCA Const. Amends. 5, 13;


U.S. v. Schmitz, 542 F.2d 782 certiorari denied 97 S.Ct. 1134, 429 US 1105, 51 L.Ed.2d 556. C.A.Cal. 1976.

Federal Reserve Notes constitute legal tender and are taxable dollars.


Milam v. U.S., 524 F.2d 629. C.A.Cal. 1974.

The statute which delegates to the Federal Reserve System the power to issue circulating notes for money borrowed and the power to ...


So because 3 people interpreted it this way, we should all just take it in the ass?
Remind me not to drink any of your cool aid.
 
2013-01-25 03:42:48 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: Perhaps, but the person who brought it up on one side is a powerful, elected official. A few of the loosely organized group of people who brought it up on the other side are just urban campers with an axe to grind


I agree that someone in state government suggesting this is exponentially more dangerous. It's a really bad idea to undermine the value of federal currency, and even worse if a state government is doing it. I also agree that occupy groups were a bunch of inconsequential nutjobs that no one cared about. It's just interesting how the ideas on the two polar fringes often seem to wrap around and meet on the other side.
 
2013-01-25 03:44:05 PM  

HartRend: impaler: HartRend: Well considering what they have done to your dollar,

Kept its value fluctuations at a stable low rate of inflation with very little variance? The horror. The markets hate predictability.

Next are you going to tell us to go to shadowstats to study it out?

You clearly don't have any money.


In my mattress? Nope. If you want your net-worth backed by shiny metal, no one is stopping you. However, there are far better investments. Right now, Conoco-Philips dividends are easily beating inflation rates.
 
2013-01-25 03:44:12 PM  

david_gaithersburg: A whole lot of but hurt in this thread.

I need to look at buying a house on the other side of the river.


They might not take your money.
 
2013-01-25 03:46:01 PM  

impaler: HartRend: impaler: HartRend: Well considering what they have done to your dollar,

Kept its value fluctuations at a stable low rate of inflation with very little variance? The horror. The markets hate predictability.

Next are you going to tell us to go to shadowstats to study it out?

You clearly don't have any money.

In my mattress? Nope. If you want your net-worth backed by shiny metal, no one is stopping you. However, there are far better investments. Right now, Conoco-Philips dividends are easily beating inflation rates.


The fact that you are justifying your investment by "easily beating inflation rates" tells me that you are already digging out of a hole.
Why does my government get to literally take buying power out of my pocket because they want to blow it on bullshiat like pointless wars and people who don't want to work?
 
2013-01-25 03:46:18 PM  

HartRend: So because 3 people interpreted it this way


WAT?
 
2013-01-25 03:46:30 PM  

david_gaithersburg: A whole lot of but hurt in this thread.

I need to look at buying a house on the other side of the river.


I really hope they don't have internet access there.
 
2013-01-25 03:48:58 PM  

doyner: HartRend: So because 3 people interpreted it this way

WAT?


SCOTUS = Very small population (9 or so)

America = Not so small population

Could it be that these few individuals may have a personal interest in ensuring the existence of the Federal Reserve?

Could it be that these individuals are willing to sell out the rest of us for an unfathomable amount of money?

Could it be that your government doesn't give two shiats about you?

What scale is harder to tip, 300 + Million Americans, or 9 assholes who think they know it all?
 
2013-01-25 03:49:09 PM  

Sybarite: when the Federal Reserve crashes


I stockpiled Geoffrey Dollars against just such an eventuality.


pssh. I have a garbage bag full of bottle caps..

/saved a few old school lunchboxes too, just in case
 
2013-01-25 03:50:19 PM  
violation of the constitution plain and simple. Repubs if you don't want the federal reserve system to crash then quit putting party ahead of country and do what needs to be done.
 
2013-01-25 03:51:32 PM  

grimlock1972: violation of the constitution plain and simple. Repubs if you don't want the federal reserve system to crash then quit putting party ahead of country and do what needs to be done.


It has already crashed. We are still propping it up.

It is not an IF, it is a when.
 
2013-01-25 03:51:36 PM  

HartRend: The fact that you are justifying your investment by "easily beating inflation rates" tells me that you are already digging out of a hole.
Why does my government get to literally take buying power out of my pocket because they want to blow it on bullshiat like pointless wars and people who don't want to work?


Instead, we should go to a commodity backed currency that could be manipulated by foreign powers!

Why does my government get to literally take buying power out of my pocket

Without them, you wouldn't have any buying power in your pocket.

people who don't want to work?

Point to the part of the budget that goes to people that don't want to work.
 
2013-01-25 03:52:39 PM  
Teeth? Is the new currency teeth?

Rare
Valuable
Finite supply
Fits right in your pocket
 
2013-01-25 03:53:03 PM  

HartRend: doyner: HartRend: So because 3 people interpreted it this way

WAT?

SCOTUS = Very small population (9 or so)

America = Not so small population

Could it be that these few individuals may have a personal interest in ensuring the existence of the Federal Reserve?

Could it be that these individuals are willing to sell out the rest of us for an unfathomable amount of money?

Could it be that your government doesn't give two shiats about you?

What scale is harder to tip, 300 + Million Americans, or 9 assholes who think they know it all?


Clearly I have not studied it out as much as you have.
 
2013-01-25 03:53:47 PM  

HartRend: Could it be that these individuals are willing to sell out the rest of us for an unfathomable amount of money?


You think the Federal Reserve Bank bought off Supreme Court Justices?

HartRend: or 9 assholes who think they know it all?


Yeah, what makes those SCOTUS judges think they get to say what the constitution really means. Jerks.
 
2013-01-25 03:54:13 PM  

impaler: HartRend: The fact that you are justifying your investment by "easily beating inflation rates" tells me that you are already digging out of a hole.
Why does my government get to literally take buying power out of my pocket because they want to blow it on bullshiat like pointless wars and people who don't want to work?

Instead, we should go to a commodity backed currency that could be manipulated by foreign powers!

Isn't that what we are doing to them? Why wouldn't they do it to us?

Why does my government get to literally take buying power out of my pocket

Without them, you wouldn't have any buying power in your pocket.

Without them, I would have more buying power.

people who don't want to work?

Point to the part of the budget that goes to people that don't want to work.

Food stamps.
 
2013-01-25 03:55:08 PM  
www.trivisonno.com
 
2013-01-25 03:55:52 PM  

HartRend: Point to the part of the budget that goes to people that don't want to work.
Food stamps.


Generally ABAWDS between 18 and 50 who do not have any dependent children can get SNAP benefits only for 3 months in a 36-month period if they do not work or participate in a workfare or employment and training program other than job search. This requirement is waived in some locations.
 
2013-01-25 03:57:03 PM  
growlersoftware.com
 
2013-01-25 03:57:15 PM  

impaler: HartRend: Could it be that these individuals are willing to sell out the rest of us for an unfathomable amount of money?

You think the Federal Reserve Bank bought off Supreme Court Justices?

HartRend: or 9 assholes who think they know it all?

Yeah, what makes those SCOTUS judges think they get to say what the constitution really means. Jerks.


Considering the number of states attempting to succeed from the USsA right now, I don't think I'm the only one with this opinion of the Fed/SCOTUS
 
2013-01-25 03:58:04 PM  

impaler: [growlersoftware.com image 579x396]


So you have run out of real arguments and now you are just flinging jokes at me?
 
2013-01-25 03:58:26 PM  
Usually I'm not a fan of feeding the troll (HartRend), but in this case it's quite entertaining.
 
2013-01-25 04:00:13 PM  

room at the top: Usually I'm not a fan of feeding the troll (HartRend), but in this case it's quite entertaining.


Om nom nom
 
2013-01-25 04:00:17 PM  

HartRend: Go check out gold prices, see what the real buying power of your dollar is.


Oh, goody, you are a gold bug!

Please, then, tell me how we're supposed to run a $70 trillion world economy on $9 trillion worth of gold?
 
2013-01-25 04:00:31 PM  
What happened to the link?

It's not broken, the headline text just doesn't have a link associated with it. Never saw that before in FARK. Spill something on the server again?

beerspill.fark.com
/hotlinked Fark's own 'drunk sysadmin' image
 
2013-01-25 04:02:45 PM  

Amos Quito: The "Federal Reserve" - a privately owned bank celebrating 100 years of printing "money" out of thin air and "loaning" it to the United States Government at interest, said interest being collected from The People, under duress, in the form of Taxes.


It's terrible that this horrible system has seen the US economy grown to the largest in the world, with unequaled access to credit and an envious amount of fiscal liquidity, with fewer major bank runs or panics than earlier in the modern era. Such a travesty of economic stewardship.
 
2013-01-25 04:04:13 PM  

HartRend: doyner: HartRend: So because 3 people interpreted it this way

WAT?

SCOTUS = Very small population (9 or so)

America = Not so small population

Could it be that these few individuals may have a personal interest in ensuring the existence of the Federal Reserve?

Could it be that these individuals are willing to sell out the rest of us for an unfathomable amount of money?

Could it be that your government doesn't give two shiats about you?

What scale is harder to tip, 300 + Million Americans, or 9 assholes who think they know it all?


Whackjob-like typing detected...
 
2013-01-25 04:04:28 PM  

HartRend: [www.trivisonno.com image 850x485]


You should gird yourself for that to increase, and it has nothing to do with laziness.

Some people say we have a rapidly aging demographic of elderly people that don't have proper retirement money. Some people.
 
2013-01-25 04:05:05 PM  

theorellior: HartRend: Go check out gold prices, see what the real buying power of your dollar is.

Oh, goody, you are a gold bug!

Please, then, tell me how we're supposed to run a $70 trillion world economy on $9 trillion worth of gold?


I'm not a gold bug, necessarily, i'm just against a very small group of people, farking a very large group of people.

Oh, and the equation is 9/70, that is how you back currency with gold.

And the world economy, including deriviatives , is way WAY WAYYYYYYYYY BIGGER than 70 tril.

You are in the quadrillions my friend.

The point is, the dollar has been so whored out, that it's not worth what it was, hence the absence of gold backing.
So literally, you don't have to tie it to the gold, because gold is still worth money it still floats like any other product in the free market.
So not only does it not have to be officially tied, but it is an incredibly indicator by itself.

If you look at the price, shiat has been going downhill for a while.
 
2013-01-25 04:05:37 PM  

doyner: HartRend: So because 3 people interpreted it this way

WAT?


Today I've switch from blocking the crazies to setting them as red-4 favorites. This allows me to track the derp when a thread starts okay then goes off the rails. I added a certain user base on this thread, as well others from a different thread. Suddenly this thread had a lot of red stains.

Now I won't wonder why a thread seems fine then suddenly has a lot of people grousing about a thin head, for example.

In summary: seriously, yo. The H got knocked out of the 'WHAT' because the whargarbl hit it as if it were uprights in the end zone.
 
2013-01-25 04:06:44 PM  
New Republican slogan: An alternative currency for an alternative lifestyle.
 
2013-01-25 04:06:47 PM  

Arkanaut: I gotta admire their moxie. Somehow, the currency backed by the full faith and credit of the federal government of the United States won't be enough, but Virginia -- surely the greatest of the 50 states -- will be trustworthy in the eyes of the world.


Since I'm pretty sure they'll be printing their new currency on tobacco leaves, at least it will have some value to the nicotine addicts once impending doom arrives...
 
2013-01-25 04:07:26 PM  

HartRend: You are in the quadrillions my friend.


Right. Sure we are. Quadrillions.
 
2013-01-25 04:07:28 PM  

room at the top: Usually I'm not a fan of feeding the troll (HartRend), but in this case it's quite entertaining.


My favorite was that SCOTUS had "9 or so" people. (It's been that way since the mid 19th century.) I wish more trolls would throw that kind of thing around
 
2013-01-25 04:07:43 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: If the nickels have a picture of a bumblebee on them they might win some support.


"Gimme 5 bees for a quarter, we'd say."

\adjusts belt onion
 
2013-01-25 04:13:19 PM  

theorellior: HartRend: You are in the quadrillions my friend.

Right. Sure we are. Quadrillions.


Did either of you put your pinky to your lip when you said this?

Cause that would be lame.
 
2013-01-25 04:14:03 PM  

HartRend: So because 3 people interpreted it this way, we should all just take it in the ass?
Remind me not to drink any of your cool aid.


3? Try 9. On multiple occasions.

And not just any 9, either. No, it was  the specific 9 experts who are carefully vetted and chosen for their expertise and ability to decide such matters on behalf of our entire society

So yes: I'll take the word of those 9 before an obviously ignorant troll any day.

Also: it 'Kool Aid' you ass. Learn to spell. Especially when referencing an occasion when one of your type decided Jesus wanted him to murder a couple hundred people.
 
2013-01-25 04:15:52 PM  

HartRend: If you are right, then we both get to have a good time.

If I am right, only I get to have a good time.


what is this? Bachmann's wager?

/ i could probably hit a better punchline if i paid closer attention to tea party people names.
// called myself Pascal's Bookie at a local trivia night at a bar and no one got the joke. made me miss the internet.
 
2013-01-25 04:17:11 PM  

whistleridge: HartRend: So because 3 people interpreted it this way, we should all just take it in the ass?
Remind me not to drink any of your cool aid.

3? Try 9. On multiple occasions.

And not just any 9, either. No, it was  the specific 9 experts who are carefully vetted and chosen for their expertise and ability to decide such matters on behalf of our entire society.
So yes: I'll take the word of those 9 before an obviously ignorant troll any day.

Also: it 'Kool Aid' you ass. Learn to spell. Especially when referencing an occasion when one of your type decided Jesus wanted him to murder a couple hundred people.


HOLY shiat... 9!
That is so much closer to 300 million.

fark those idiots who drank the cool aid, they deserved what they got for not thinking for themselves, same as you.
fark your emo/homo spelling.
 
2013-01-25 04:18:19 PM  

MBooda: Damn. Just looked at a dollar bill from my wallet, and it was printed by those crazy maniacs in San Francisco!


Uh, oh. You've probably caught teh ghey...
 
2013-01-25 04:19:02 PM  

Sybarite: when the Federal Reserve crashes

I stockpiled Geoffrey Dollars against just such an eventuality.


Pshaw. I'm saving up "Larch" dollars for when TSHTF! I know they're good, because I made them myself.

// yes, my savings are a pile of leaves shoved in a pillowcase. why do you ask?
 
2013-01-25 04:19:38 PM  
theeconomiccollapseblog.com
 
2013-01-25 04:20:04 PM  

unchellmatt: Sin_City_Superhero: Measures like this wouldn't be needed if Soshalist Muslin HUSSEIN Fartbongo weren't farking up our country!

Inorite? If he wasn't made of muslin, maybe instead a good silk or even cotton, I'd be all for him. It's that muslin that gets to me.


Oh, I see it's time on Fark to slander con$ervatives again. As a good cosmopolitan liberal who knows what's best for everybody, it doesn't chap my normatively gay ass that Capitali$m is gone with a whimper. My parents funded my education and that's all I really care about the economy.

With our superior liberal intellect we should be content basking in our vast capacity to ingest semen and the uncontested surrender of our masculinity. Put a rainbow on that dollar sign - the Marxist narrative I had fisted in me tells me I am freer than ever, and it felt great.
 
2013-01-25 04:20:40 PM  
These are your elected leaders.
Congratulations America!
 
2013-01-25 04:20:46 PM  

HartRend: The point is, the dollar has been so whored out, that it's not worth what it was, hence the absence of gold backing.
So literally, you don't have to tie it to the gold, because gold is still worth money it still floats like any other product in the free market.
So not only does it not have to be officially tied, but it is an incredibly indicator by itself.

If you look at the price, shiat has been going downhill for a while.


O RLY?

Actually, inflation is flat right now:

http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/historical-inflation- ra tes/

And your implied devaluation is an absurdity. The dollar is currently about $1.35:1 against the Euro. It was that same rate in 2004:

http://www.ecb.int/stats/exchange/eurofxref/html/eurofxref-graph-usd .e n.html

It has similar performance against other currencies, too, including the yen, pound sterling, and Canadian dollar, despite some pretty different economic conditions in each of those countries:

http://www.x-rates.com/graph/?from=JPY&to=USD&amount=1
http://www.x-rates.com/graph/?from=GBP&to=USD&amount=1
http://www.x-rates.com/graph/?from=CAD&to=USD&amount=1

And before you say but...but...but...GOLD, allow me to retort: gold is a *commodity*, not a *currency*. As such, it is subject to wide prices swings, primarily driven by speculation. And yes, gold is way up right now. Why? Because speculators are making a KILLING selling it to paranoid types. They're not keeping it themselves. No...they're selling it hand over fist to people who stash bars of it under their beds, and then those speculators take the real currency and go invest it and make even more money. Hence, the finite supply dwindles and the price goes up. Buy into that if you want, but it's foolish, IMHO.

Proof? How about another commodity to index against? A big one, like...oil? Or gas prices?

Huh. Dig a little bit and it turns out that gas prices are *lower* now than they have been in awhile. Like, back to that "QE3" thing all your types were howling about awhile ago. Remember that? How it was going to cause $5/gallon gas by New Year's?

What  actually happened? Well...like anyone with actual economics training predicted, the national average peaked at $3.12/gallon in August 2012 due to a storm. Then QE3 passed in early September. Today, the national average is $3.31. Yes, it will go up again for the summer, but they *always* go up for the summer:

http://newsroom.aaa.com/2013/01/gas-prices-aaa%E2%80%99s-fuel-gauge- re port-january-22-2013/

In short: you're full of shiat. On every. single. point. 

And you can't read.
 
2013-01-25 04:22:55 PM  

whistleridge: HartRend: The point is, the dollar has been so whored out, that it's not worth what it was, hence the absence of gold backing.
So literally, you don't have to tie it to the gold, because gold is still worth money it still floats like any other product in the free market.
So not only does it not have to be officially tied, but it is an incredibly indicator by itself.

If you look at the price, shiat has been going downhill for a while.

O RLY?

Actually, inflation is flat right now:

http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/historical-inflation- ra tes/

And your implied devaluation is an absurdity. The dollar is currently about $1.35:1 against the Euro. It was that same rate in 2004:

http://www.ecb.int/stats/exchange/eurofxref/html/eurofxref-graph-usd .e n.html

It has similar performance against other currencies, too, including the yen, pound sterling, and Canadian dollar, despite some pretty different economic conditions in each of those countries:

http://www.x-rates.com/graph/?from=JPY&to=USD&amount=1
http://www.x-rates.com/graph/?from=GBP&to=USD&amount=1
http://www.x-rates.com/graph/?from=CAD&to=USD&amount=1

And before you say but...but...but...GOLD, allow me to retort: gold is a *commodity*, not a *currency*. As such, it is subject to wide prices swings, primarily driven by speculation. And yes, gold is way up right now. Why? Because speculators are making a KILLING selling it to paranoid types. They're not keeping it themselves. No...they're selling it hand over fist to people who stash bars of it under their beds, and then those speculators take the real currency and go invest it and make even more money. Hence, the finite supply dwindles and the price goes up. Buy into that if you want, but it's foolish, IMHO.

Proof? How about another commodity to index against? A big one, like...oil? Or gas prices?

Huh. Dig a little bit and it turns out that gas prices are *lower* now than they have been in awhile. Like, back to that "QE3" thing all your types we ...


Unravel the derivatives, then tell me how things are.
 
2013-01-25 04:24:14 PM  

byelii: cookiefleck: I'd love to see what their papermoney would look like.

Probably something like this:

[www.byelii.com image 850x363]


Wait... is that real? The confederacy actually printed pictures of black slaves on their currency?

[checks wikipedia]

Wow. Just... wow. What was wrong with those people?
 
2013-01-25 04:24:18 PM  

DarkVader: I have WAY too many friends who are prepping for the whole "shiat hits the fan" concept, as if the entire country is about to imminently dissolve into a state of complete anarchy approaching Somalia.They're stockpiling food, weapons, and ammunition. I've been ridiculed because I don't have thousands of rounds of ammo for dozens of guns handy (and I'm not anti-gun, and I just might have some high-capacity magazines for the guns I might happen to already own) (or might not, not actually saying). Sure, shooting is fun, and it's more fun if you don't have to constantly reload.


I'm "prepping" by learning to grow my own food, and do woodworking & metalworking with hand tools. If the shiat never hits the fan, at least I have some enjoyable hobbies & fresh veggies, and not a pile of crappy food I don't want to eat & a bunch of guns and ammo I'll never use.
 
2013-01-25 04:24:56 PM  

HartRend: [theeconomiccollapseblog.com image 850x390]


John Wilkes Booth killed JFK for printing those.
 
2013-01-25 04:25:32 PM  

Matthew Keene: HartRend: [theeconomiccollapseblog.com image 850x390]

John Wilkes Booth killed JFK for printing those.


I know, but the sheeple have no clue.
 
2013-01-25 04:26:53 PM  

HartRend: Matthew Keene: HartRend: [theeconomiccollapseblog.com image 850x390]

John Wilkes Booth killed JFK for printing those.

I know, but the sheeple have no clue.


Oswald...
 
2013-01-25 04:26:59 PM  

HartRend: fark those idiots who drank the cool aid, they deserved what they got for not thinking for themselves, same as you.
fark your emo/homo spelling.


See, it was all nice until you had to say 'homo'.

I mean yeah, we all hate emo -- this isn't Reddit. We're all in our thirties or older, posting from work (where Reddit is blocked). The only emo we want is the emo lawn (because it cuts itself).

But 'homo'? In the Twenty-First Century? This isn't X-Box chat.

Let's stick to the topic: how you are afraid of judges and that the rise food stamp recipients during a major recession is a sign of the apocalypse.
 
2013-01-25 04:27:29 PM  

theorellior: Amos Quito: The "Federal Reserve" - a privately owned bank celebrating 100 years of printing "money" out of thin air and "loaning" it to the United States Government at interest, said interest being collected from The People, under duress, in the form of Taxes.

It's terrible that this horrible system has seen the US economy grown to the largest in the world, with unequaled access to credit and an envious amount of fiscal liquidity, with fewer major bank runs or panics than earlier in the modern era. Such a travesty of economic stewardship.



You like bubbles?
 
2013-01-25 04:27:56 PM  

HartRend: doyner: HartRend: So because 3 people interpreted it this way

WAT?

SCOTUS = Very small population (9 or so)

America = Not so small population

Could it be that these few individuals may have a personal interest in ensuring the existence of the Federal Reserve?

Could it be that these individuals are willing to sell out the rest of us for an unfathomable amount of money?

Could it be that your government doesn't give two shiats about you?

What scale is harder to tip, 300 + Million Americans, or 9 assholes who think they know it all?


You sound like my Bible-thumping, Alex Jones-loving cousin. He's a goddamn idiot.
 
2013-01-25 04:28:31 PM  

HartRend: HartRend: Matthew Keene: HartRend: [theeconomiccollapseblog.com image 850x390]

John Wilkes Booth killed JFK for printing those.

I know, but the sheeple have no clue.

Oswald...


Oswald killed Warren G. Harding in San Francisco in 1923. Get your shiat straight.
 
2013-01-25 04:30:03 PM  

pseydtonne: HartRend: fark those idiots who drank the cool aid, they deserved what they got for not thinking for themselves, same as you.
fark your emo/homo spelling.

See, it was all nice until you had to say 'homo'.

I mean yeah, we all hate emo -- this isn't Reddit. We're all in our thirties or older, posting from work (where Reddit is blocked). The only emo we want is the emo lawn (because it cuts itself).

But 'homo'? In the Twenty-First Century? This isn't X-Box chat.

Let's stick to the topic: how you are afraid of judges and that the rise food stamp recipients during a major recession is a sign of the apocalypse.


I think the topic is Virginian Republic bashing, at least that's how Fark usually rolls.

Anybody who thinks creating a new currency , or state currencies, is a bad idea, has absolutely no idea as to how much the petrol dollar relies on occupation.
The occupation is funded by the petrol dollar, and that dollar is quickly spiraling out of existence.
Once the event horizon is reached, we will now longer be able to project our military might in to the world, our grasp on oil producing nations will falter, and the US will cease to be a superpower.
 
2013-01-25 04:30:57 PM  

nekulor: HartRend: doyner: HartRend: So because 3 people interpreted it this way

WAT?

SCOTUS = Very small population (9 or so)

America = Not so small population

Could it be that these few individuals may have a personal interest in ensuring the existence of the Federal Reserve?

Could it be that these individuals are willing to sell out the rest of us for an unfathomable amount of money?

Could it be that your government doesn't give two shiats about you?

What scale is harder to tip, 300 + Million Americans, or 9 assholes who think they know it all?

You sound like my Bible-thumping, Alex Jones-loving cousin. He's a goddamn idiot.


Yea fark those bible people, they're always up to no good!
 
2013-01-25 04:31:20 PM  

HartRend: pseydtonne: HartRend: fark those idiots who drank the cool aid, they deserved what they got for not thinking for themselves, same as you.
fark your emo/homo spelling.

See, it was all nice until you had to say 'homo'.

I mean yeah, we all hate emo -- this isn't Reddit. We're all in our thirties or older, posting from work (where Reddit is blocked). The only emo we want is the emo lawn (because it cuts itself).

But 'homo'? In the Twenty-First Century? This isn't X-Box chat.

Let's stick to the topic: how you are afraid of judges and that the rise food stamp recipients during a major recession is a sign of the apocalypse.

I think the topic is Virginian Republic bashing, at least that's how Fark usually rolls.

Anybody who thinks creating a new currency , or state currencies, is a bad idea, has absolutely no idea as to how much the petrol dollar relies on occupation.
The occupation is funded by the petrol dollar, and that dollar is quickly spiraling out of existence.
Once the event horizon is reached, we will now longer be able to project our military might in to the world, our grasp on oil producing nations will falter, and the US will cease to be a superpower.


Good, maybe some perspective will help our population stop being such idiots.
 
2013-01-25 04:31:23 PM  

HartRend: grimlock1972: violation of the constitution plain and simple. Repubs if you don't want the federal reserve system to crash then quit putting party ahead of country and do what needs to be done.

It has already crashed. We are still propping it up.

It is not an IF, it is a when.


Yes, and the roof of my house fell down already, but the walls are still propping it up.
 
2013-01-25 04:32:27 PM  

HartRend: nekulor: HartRend: doyner: HartRend: So because 3 people interpreted it this way

WAT?

SCOTUS = Very small population (9 or so)

America = Not so small population

Could it be that these few individuals may have a personal interest in ensuring the existence of the Federal Reserve?

Could it be that these individuals are willing to sell out the rest of us for an unfathomable amount of money?

Could it be that your government doesn't give two shiats about you?

What scale is harder to tip, 300 + Million Americans, or 9 assholes who think they know it all?

You sound like my Bible-thumping, Alex Jones-loving cousin. He's a goddamn idiot.

Yea fark those bible people, they're always up to no good!


The God-botherer crowd, that thinks the world is 6000 years old and evolution is a lie? Yea, they are. They're Luddites, and civilization would be better off without them.
 
2013-01-25 04:32:52 PM  

CheekyMonkey: HartRend: grimlock1972: violation of the constitution plain and simple. Repubs if you don't want the federal reserve system to crash then quit putting party ahead of country and do what needs to be done.

It has already crashed. We are still propping it up.

It is not an IF, it is a when.

Yes, and the roof of my house fell down already, but the walls are still propping it up.


Do you see any new jobs? How are things where you are.
Where I am at, things are shiatty. People are homeless living on the street begging for change.

Anybody who can look out their window, and say to themselves, damn things are better today than they were yesterday, is probably blind.
 
2013-01-25 04:33:05 PM  

Amos Quito: You like bubbles?


You want bubbles? You know nothing of bubbles. Nothing in the 20th century can compare to early modern economic bubbles. Be glad. Be very glad.
 
2013-01-25 04:33:54 PM  

nekulor: HartRend: nekulor: HartRend: doyner: HartRend: So because 3 people interpreted it this way

WAT?

SCOTUS = Very small population (9 or so)

America = Not so small population

Could it be that these few individuals may have a personal interest in ensuring the existence of the Federal Reserve?

Could it be that these individuals are willing to sell out the rest of us for an unfathomable amount of money?

Could it be that your government doesn't give two shiats about you?

What scale is harder to tip, 300 + Million Americans, or 9 assholes who think they know it all?

You sound like my Bible-thumping, Alex Jones-loving cousin. He's a goddamn idiot.

Yea fark those bible people, they're always up to no good!

The God-botherer crowd, that thinks the world is 6000 years old and evolution is a lie? Yea, they are. They're Luddites, and civilization would be better off without them.


Maybe we should march them in to chambers, that we fill with gas, and eliminate them from the gene pool.

I doubt anybody has tried that before.
 
2013-01-25 04:33:56 PM  

HartRend: Once the event horizon is reached, we will now longer be able to project our military might in to the world, our grasp on oil producing nations will falter, and the US will cease to be a superpower.


But what about the singularity? If the singularity happens first, won't the robots find a way to prop up our money for us?
 
2013-01-25 04:34:35 PM  

whistleridge: Dear Republicans:

So long as you keep incredibly stupid shiat like this up, please stop getting outraged when the rest of us tell you that you don't understand how money works. Because clearly, you don't. And this is Exhibit #1 as to why you shouldn't be allowed control of a $10 piggybank, much less a state or national economy.

Thanks,

Those of us who DO understand how money works


media.tumblr.com

I see. The Ds forgot that thing they exploded that also starts with D.
 
2013-01-25 04:34:47 PM  

theorellior: HartRend: Go check out gold prices, see what the real buying power of your dollar is.

Oh, goody, you are a gold bug!

Please, then, tell me how we're supposed to run a $70 trillion world economy on $9 trillion worth of gold?


Easy - just inflate the price of gold!
 
2013-01-25 04:34:52 PM  

HartRend: CheekyMonkey: HartRend: grimlock1972: violation of the constitution plain and simple. Repubs if you don't want the federal reserve system to crash then quit putting party ahead of country and do what needs to be done.

It has already crashed. We are still propping it up.

It is not an IF, it is a when.

Yes, and the roof of my house fell down already, but the walls are still propping it up.

Do you see any new jobs? How are things where you are.
Where I am at, things are shiatty. People are homeless living on the street begging for change.

Anybody who can look out their window, and say to themselves, damn things are better today than they were yesterday, is probably blind.


Maybe you could just take your ass to ANY other country on the planet, that doesn't tolerate religion, think you would be happier there?
 
2013-01-25 04:36:21 PM  

CheekyMonkey: Easy - just inflate the price of gold!


Deflate the dollar, can't make any more gold.
 
2013-01-25 04:37:06 PM  

HartRend: nekulor: HartRend: nekulor: HartRend: doyner: HartRend: So because 3 people interpreted it this way

WAT?

SCOTUS = Very small population (9 or so)

America = Not so small population

Could it be that these few individuals may have a personal interest in ensuring the existence of the Federal Reserve?

Could it be that these individuals are willing to sell out the rest of us for an unfathomable amount of money?

Could it be that your government doesn't give two shiats about you?

What scale is harder to tip, 300 + Million Americans, or 9 assholes who think they know it all?

You sound like my Bible-thumping, Alex Jones-loving cousin. He's a goddamn idiot.

Yea fark those bible people, they're always up to no good!

The God-botherer crowd, that thinks the world is 6000 years old and evolution is a lie? Yea, they are. They're Luddites, and civilization would be better off without them.

Maybe we should march them in to chambers, that we fill with gas, and eliminate them from the gene pool.

I doubt anybody has tried that before.


Oh boy, somebody Godwinned the thread. You know, for the entertainment value alone, I'm going to argue, yes. Yes we should. They're holding us back as a species.
 
2013-01-25 04:38:16 PM  

Stinkyy: I see. The Ds forgot that thing they exploded that also starts with D.


We exploded dirigibles? Oh, the humanity!
 
2013-01-25 04:39:25 PM  
I thought all the wackos had joined the Libertarian Party.
 
2013-01-25 04:41:21 PM  

nekulor: HartRend: nekulor: HartRend: nekulor: HartRend: doyner: HartRend: So because 3 people interpreted it this way

WAT?

SCOTUS = Very small population (9 or so)

America = Not so small population

Could it be that these few individuals may have a personal interest in ensuring the existence of the Federal Reserve?

Could it be that these individuals are willing to sell out the rest of us for an unfathomable amount of money?

Could it be that your government doesn't give two shiats about you?

What scale is harder to tip, 300 + Million Americans, or 9 assholes who think they know it all?

You sound like my Bible-thumping, Alex Jones-loving cousin. He's a goddamn idiot.

Yea fark those bible people, they're always up to no good!

The God-botherer crowd, that thinks the world is 6000 years old and evolution is a lie? Yea, they are. They're Luddites, and civilization would be better off without them.

Maybe we should march them in to chambers, that we fill with gas, and eliminate them from the gene pool.

I doubt anybody has tried that before.

Oh boy, somebody Godwinned the thread. You know, for the entertainment value alone, I'm going to argue, yes. Yes we should. They're holding us back as a species.


You couldn't kill anybody, I can tell from here.
The first time you squeeze the button, with a face on the other side of your front sight post, you puke a little in your mouth.

Go fight in the middle east, and then come back and tell me you want to murder for pleasure.
 
2013-01-25 04:41:25 PM  
Black president = imminent collapse. Study it out.

This is a coping mechanism, obviously things have to be collapsing, to match up with the right's current mental state.

The entire right wing of America needs antipsychotics and a rubber room. Instead we'll just keep letting them bully the rest of us with their stupidity.
 
2013-01-25 04:42:21 PM  
This thread started out okay, but now it's just dildoes. I was hoping we'd get some flights of fancy, but it's the same old schtick. Oh, well, better luck next time.
 
2013-01-25 04:46:04 PM  

MBooda: Mitch Taylor's Bro: ThrobblefootSpectre: MBooda: Damn. Just looked at a dollar bill from my wallet, and it was printed by those crazy maniacs in San Francisco!

Oddly, occupy san francisco was demanding that people should have the right to print their own money. Still a bad idea, no matter which side brings it up.

Perhaps, but the person who brought it up on one side is a powerful, elected official. A few of the loosely organized group of people who brought it up on the other side are just urban campers with an axe to grind.

Today's urban campers with an axe to grind are tomorrow's powerful, elected officials.

/meet the new boss


In San Francisco, that is not an exaggeration. But still, I prefer to deal with one idiot at a time. We'll deal with SF idiots suggesting that we all print our own money if/when the time comes.
 
2013-01-25 04:47:11 PM  

HartRend: nekulor: HartRend: nekulor: HartRend: nekulor: HartRend: doyner: HartRend: So because 3 people interpreted it this way

WAT?

SCOTUS = Very small population (9 or so)

America = Not so small population

Could it be that these few individuals may have a personal interest in ensuring the existence of the Federal Reserve?

Could it be that these individuals are willing to sell out the rest of us for an unfathomable amount of money?

Could it be that your government doesn't give two shiats about you?

What scale is harder to tip, 300 + Million Americans, or 9 assholes who think they know it all?

You sound like my Bible-thumping, Alex Jones-loving cousin. He's a goddamn idiot.

Yea fark those bible people, they're always up to no good!

The God-botherer crowd, that thinks the world is 6000 years old and evolution is a lie? Yea, they are. They're Luddites, and civilization would be better off without them.

Maybe we should march them in to chambers, that we fill with gas, and eliminate them from the gene pool.

I doubt anybody has tried that before.

Oh boy, somebody Godwinned the thread. You know, for the entertainment value alone, I'm going to argue, yes. Yes we should. They're holding us back as a species.

You couldn't kill anybody, I can tell from here.
The first time you squeeze the button, with a face on the other side of your front sight post, you puke a little in your mouth.

Go fight in the middle east, and then come back and tell me you want to murder for pleasure.


I'm sure I could, I am quite familiar with rifle and shotgun, but I wouldn't do it willingly.

I was making a point: Nazi arguments are retarded because no one would resort to that in any reasonable circumstance. You're building strawmen in this thread faster than anyone can tear them down, and you're doing it because you suck at arguing. Your points aren't real points, they're vague conspiracy theories that are only supported by a fringe group of people, which is convenient, because you can argue the horrible drive-by lamestream media isn't taking your concerns seriously because fraternities Illuminati contrails 9/11 was an inside job.
 
2013-01-25 04:47:17 PM  

runwiz: New Republican slogan: An alternative currency for an alternative lifestyle reality.


FTFY
 
2013-01-25 04:48:32 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Virginia takes pride in having its own culture and history, its own unique way of doing business.

Uh .... okay.

But does the commonwealth also need its own money?

Maybe so, says Del. Robert Marshall (R-Prince William), who is pushing a bill in the General Assembly that would mandate a study of whether the state "should adopt an alternate medium of commerce or currency to serve as an alternative to the currency distributed by the Federal Reserve System in the event of a major breakdown of the Federal Reserve System."

This. Is. Bullsh*t. It is a way to funnel money to some friends or business associates.

I hope the taxpayers of Virginia are happy with the way their representatives are wasting spending their tax dollars.


If you knew about Prince William county (where this guy represents) you'd understand where this is coming from. Very conservative... very republic... and a lot of redneck.

*sigh*

/not my elected official
//thank god
 
2013-01-25 04:50:00 PM  

HartRend: HartRend: CheekyMonkey: HartRend: grimlock1972: violation of the constitution plain and simple. Repubs if you don't want the federal reserve system to crash then quit putting party ahead of country and do what needs to be done.

It has already crashed. We are still propping it up.

It is not an IF, it is a when.

Yes, and the roof of my house fell down already, but the walls are still propping it up.

Do you see any new jobs? How are things where you are.
Where I am at, things are shiatty. People are homeless living on the street begging for change.

Anybody who can look out their window, and say to themselves, damn things are better today than they were yesterday, is probably blind.

Maybe you could just take your ass to ANY other country on the planet, that doesn't tolerate religion, think you would be happier there?


It's bad news when you start talking to yourself...
 
2013-01-25 04:50:39 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: Mitch Taylor's Bro: Perhaps, but the person who brought it up on one side is a powerful, elected official. A few of the loosely organized group of people who brought it up on the other side are just urban campers with an axe to grind

I agree that someone in state government suggesting this is exponentially more dangerous. It's a really bad idea to undermine the value of federal currency, and even worse if a state government is doing it. I also agree that occupy groups were a bunch of inconsequential nutjobs that no one cared about. It's just interesting how the ideas on the two polar fringes often seem to wrap around and meet on the other side.


It's like a wormhole of derp! :-)

/ or something like that
// not a physics-talking guy
 
2013-01-25 04:51:30 PM  

nekulor: Good, maybe some perspective will help our population stop being such idiots.



Not likely...
 
2013-01-25 04:51:58 PM  

nekulor: HartRend: nekulor: HartRend: nekulor: HartRend: nekulor: HartRend: doyner: HartRend: So because 3 people interpreted it this way

WAT?

SCOTUS = Very small population (9 or so)

America = Not so small population

Could it be that these few individuals may have a personal interest in ensuring the existence of the Federal Reserve?

Could it be that these individuals are willing to sell out the rest of us for an unfathomable amount of money?

Could it be that your government doesn't give two shiats about you?

What scale is harder to tip, 300 + Million Americans, or 9 assholes who think they know it all?

You sound like my Bible-thumping, Alex Jones-loving cousin. He's a goddamn idiot.

Yea fark those bible people, they're always up to no good!

The God-botherer crowd, that thinks the world is 6000 years old and evolution is a lie? Yea, they are. They're Luddites, and civilization would be better off without them.

Maybe we should march them in to chambers, that we fill with gas, and eliminate them from the gene pool.

I doubt anybody has tried that before.

Oh boy, somebody Godwinned the thread. You know, for the entertainment value alone, I'm going to argue, yes. Yes we should. They're holding us back as a species.

You couldn't kill anybody, I can tell from here.
The first time you squeeze the button, with a face on the other side of your front sight post, you puke a little in your mouth.

Go fight in the middle east, and then come back and tell me you want to murder for pleasure.

I'm sure I could, I am quite familiar with rifle and shotgun, but I wouldn't do it willingly.

I was making a point: Nazi arguments are retarded because no one would resort to that in any reasonable circumstance. You're building strawmen in this thread faster than anyone can tear them down, and you're doing it because you suck at arguing. Your points aren't real points, they're vague conspiracy theories that are only supported by a fringe group of people, which is convenient, because you ...


And you think we live in a "reasonable" world.
I got news for you, it is anything but...
 
2013-01-25 04:52:57 PM  
If Derp was a currency we could buy a lot of stuff with this thread.
 
2013-01-25 04:53:22 PM  

spawn73: If the US Dollar collapses the world would be pretty farked.

However I assume people would start using another currency automaticly, even if it's a canned soup based one.


Got change for a Cream of Mushroom?
 
2013-01-25 04:54:54 PM  

theorellior: HartRend: Go check out gold prices, see what the real buying power of your dollar is.

Oh, goody, you are a gold bug!

Please, then, tell me how we're supposed to run a $70 trillion world economy on $9 trillion worth of gold?


By deflating currency until the gold bugs become so relatively wealthy they become hereditary monarchs. duh.

Libertarianism = Pining for a return of the Hapsburg Empire.
 
2013-01-25 04:54:59 PM  

HartRend: doyner: HartRend: So because 3 people interpreted it this way

WAT?

SCOTUS = Very small population (9 or so)

America = Not so small population

Could it be that these few individuals may have a personal interest in ensuring the existence of the Federal Reserve?

Could it be that these individuals are willing to sell out the rest of us for an unfathomable amount of money?

Could it be that your government doesn't give two shiats about you?

What scale is harder to tip, 300 + Million Americans, or 9 assholes who think they know it all?


Wait! You mean you aren't trolling? You...you actually believe this?
 
2013-01-25 04:56:33 PM  

theorellior: Amos Quito: You like bubbles?

You want bubbles? You know nothing of bubbles. Nothing in the 20th century can compare to early modern economic bubbles. Be glad. Be very glad.



i1121.photobucket.com

You believe that?
 
2013-01-25 04:59:51 PM  

theorellior: You want bubbles?


www.popcrunch.com
 
2013-01-25 04:59:53 PM  

theorellior: Amos Quito: You like bubbles?

You want bubbles? You know nothing of bubbles. Nothing in the 20th century can compare to early modern economic bubbles. Be glad. Be very glad.


www.loudinc.ca
 
2013-01-25 05:01:29 PM  
[peeks]

Wow.

From Troll-Purple1 to Killfile without even passing through Gray1, because RON!!PAUL!!1!1!boi was just too damned boring to keep around for yuks.
 
2013-01-25 05:07:58 PM  

impaler: [growlersoftware.com image 579x396]


I hope you're proud of yourself. You just made me LOL in my office and earned a farkie tag of "Inventor of the Laziness Index" you magnificent bastard! :-)
 
2013-01-25 05:15:44 PM  
To the way-back machine: Fark thread the day before Gold's all time high on August 23, 2011.

http://www.fark.com/comments/6498911#new
 
2013-01-25 05:16:44 PM  
The S&P just closed over 1,500.

"Thomson Reuters data through Friday showed that of the 147 S&P 500 companies that have reported earnings, 68 percent exceeded expectations. Since 1994, 62 percent of companies have topped expectations, while the average over the past four quarters stands at 65 percent." - NBC

"Anybody who can look out their window, and say to themselves, damn things are better today than they were yesterday, is probably blind." HartRend

If that makes me blind, I'll take it.
 
2013-01-25 05:23:24 PM  

Kittypie070: [peeks]

Wow.

From Troll-Purple1 to Killfile without even passing through Gray1, because RON!!PAUL!!1!1!boi was just too damned boring to keep around for yuks.



/Stockpiles cat litter
 
2013-01-25 05:25:10 PM  
First you get the guns, then you make the money, then you get the women...

I proudly am a Virginia son. Two out of three ain't bad.

/rest of you can collectively bite us! We're the Texas of the Mid-Atlantic and we don't give a shiat either.
 
2013-01-25 05:29:28 PM  
Wanker, and a left-footer...
 
2013-01-25 05:30:07 PM  
many states have taken similiar measures to protect against economic problems. for example, several states have set up emergency barter systems. this reduces the dependence on banking and also reduces the need to prop up dieing banks during a crisis so naturally the financial industry opposed them.
 
2013-01-25 05:37:01 PM  

Stinkyy: whistleridge: Dear Republicans:

So long as you keep incredibly stupid shiat like this up, please stop getting outraged when the rest of us tell you that you don't understand how money works. Because clearly, you don't. And this is Exhibit #1 as to why you shouldn't be allowed control of a $10 piggybank, much less a state or national economy.

Thanks,

Those of us who DO understand how money works

[media.tumblr.com image 250x257]

I see. The Ds forgot that thing they exploded that also starts with D.


static6.businessinsider.com
 
2013-01-25 05:40:40 PM  

doyner: If Derp was a currency we could buy a lot of stuff with this thread.


Well, we just discovered the LOL-worthy Laziness Index. Perhaps you'd like to go for a Nobel Prize in Economics by creating a way to measure Derp Inflation? All I know is the Derp Dollar doesn't go as far as it used to, but there's a lot more of it. ;-)
 
2013-01-25 05:43:50 PM  

stevetherobot: Got change for a Cream of Mushroom?


No denominations larger than Cream of Celery accepted after sundown! Can't you read the sign? You telling me you don't have three Chicken Noodle on you?
 
2013-01-25 05:49:17 PM  
That Virginia currency needs to be double-wide and soft and absorbent. Their statehouse folk need something special to wipe with.
 
2013-01-25 05:50:49 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Since it's by that party the money is being backed by rape


That was the funniest Internet moment of the day. Alas, I have no internets to give you. Happy weekend.
 
2013-01-25 05:50:50 PM  
As a long time resident of virginia, I've come to the conclusion that only 3 types of people vote in VA:

1) Black people in Richmond
2) Farmers everywhere outside Richmond
3) Military industry votes from Norfolk

Those seem to be the places our laws come from. Nobody else cares enough to oppose or support them.
 
2013-01-25 05:51:23 PM  

kronicfeld: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Virginia has gone full Arizona

/you folks voted for this?

Sure didn't. Democrat Chap Petersen is my state senator.


You're lucky; Steve Newman is mine. He's just this side of the Teabaggers in his politics, and he's a disciple of the late Jerry Falwell(probably not germain to the situation; just a pet peeve of mine).
 
2013-01-25 05:56:31 PM  

dericwater: What's with all the derpitude in Virginia lately? Something in the water?


Nope; just another day ending in Y here in The Commonwealth.
 
2013-01-25 06:00:45 PM  
There's an easy fix to the economy. Allow the government to give money to the poor.

The truth is that spending tax money on entitlements doesn't cost us anything, it just redistributes the money to where it does the most good. Somewhat counter-intuitively it pays off for everyone rich and poor in the end, and the rich benefit disproportionately from the healthy, stimulated economy.

Conservatives can't see this, mostly because they seem to have a very mistaken notion about "government spending," as though when the government spends money, that money is forever lost, like it was thrown in a hole or something. Actually, given the neo-con penchant for "winning" wars by just giving obscene amounts of US tax dollars to desert warlords in exchange for peace -- essentially dumping money in a hole -- I guess this shouldn't be too surprising.

What I find fascinating is that most people would oppose just giving money away to the undeserving, even if it was crystal clear that the end result would be prosperity for all. If you were a wall-street broker, would you spend a million of your hard-earned dollars on the poor if you knew that you could leverage that into 100's of millions of dollars in stock equity? Conversely, would you hold back spending a few dollars, if that meant a stagnant economy and a huge loss in investor confidence? A rising tide lifts all boats.

Of course I'm not proposing a huge increase in entitlement spending, just pointing out that it would almost certainly achieve the desired result in record time.

The truth is that Conservatives are running scared. When all you can see is the past, it's hard to see how to move forward. Sure, we get it, the system is broken. That doesn't mean it's unfixable, just because some old dude can't see the solution.

At the end of the Bush administration, the US economy was on the brink of a steep precipice. If the government hadn't stepped in and propped up the banks and insurance companies the US economy could well have completely collapsed. If you can't see how far we've come from that point, then there's no arguing with you, as you lack any objectivity and credibility.

I guess it's different when Citi bank needs billions to survive, that's OK. It's when you give a poor person a free meal that you ruin this once great nation.
 
2013-01-25 06:03:25 PM  

ibsalamander: I guess it's different when Citi bank needs billions to survive, that's OK. It's when you give a poor person a free meal that you ruin this once great nation.


Meanwhile, the taxpayers keep taking it in the ass from both ends of the economic spectrum.
 
2013-01-25 06:20:00 PM  
www.pennylicious.com
 
2013-01-25 06:29:41 PM  
Repeat from 1861?
 
2013-01-25 06:30:06 PM  

HartRend: Considering the number of states attempting to succeed from the USsA right now, I don't think I'm the only one with this opinion of the Fed/SCOTUS


Well, yes. I'm pretty sure all 50 states are trying to succeed.

// I think the word you were looking for was "secede".
/// And, zero is a number.
//// All zero states trying to secede right now proves your point.
 
2013-01-25 06:36:15 PM  

HartRend: Just_a_Bear: Meh, it only violates the Constitution, no big deal.

The federal reserve violates the constitution.
The constitutions guarantees the right of congress to print and coin money / set standards and weights.
Congress has given up their right to the Fed, and thus the taxation without representation.


Sorry Dr. Paul, delgation of powers does not work that way.  Every agency in the government is executing a power reserved to Congress which they then , by law, delegate to an executive agency. The fed is no different
 
2013-01-25 06:37:47 PM  

CheekyMonkey: DarkVader: I have WAY too many friends who are prepping for the whole "shiat hits the fan" concept, as if the entire country is about to imminently dissolve into a state of complete anarchy approaching Somalia.They're stockpiling food, weapons, and ammunition. I've been ridiculed because I don't have thousands of rounds of ammo for dozens of guns handy (and I'm not anti-gun, and I just might have some high-capacity magazines for the guns I might happen to already own) (or might not, not actually saying). Sure, shooting is fun, and it's more fun if you don't have to constantly reload.

I'm "prepping" by learning to grow my own food, and do woodworking & metalworking with hand tools. If the shiat never hits the fan, at least I have some enjoyable hobbies & fresh veggies, and not a pile of crappy food I don't want to eat & a bunch of guns and ammo I'll never use.


I'm prepping the same way, including the recent purchase of a farm in the golden hills of California to supply me with endless wood. (Sorta like Ms. Hendricks, amirite?) But anyway, it's the urban lifestyle that does the damage the urbanites always decry. What's up with that?
 
2013-01-25 06:43:28 PM  

HartRend: CheekyMonkey: HartRend: grimlock1972: violation of the constitution plain and simple. Repubs if you don't want the federal reserve system to crash then quit putting party ahead of country and do what needs to be done.

It has already crashed. We are still propping it up.

It is not an IF, it is a when.

Yes, and the roof of my house fell down already, but the walls are still propping it up.

Do you see any new jobs? How are things where you are.
Where I am at, things are shiatty. People are homeless living on the street begging for change.

Anybody who can look out their window, and say to themselves, damn things are better today than they were yesterday, is probably blind.


Nonsense. Someone up-thread already demonstrated that gas prices are down thanks to stable inflation.
 
2013-01-25 06:45:11 PM  
On the good side, every bill of paper money will be personally signed by the State Treasurer!
 
2013-01-25 06:57:34 PM  

HartRend: nekulor: HartRend: nekulor: HartRend: nekulor: HartRend: nekulor: HartRend: doyner: HartRend: So because 3 people interpreted it this way

WAT?

SCOTUS = Very small population (9 or so)

America = Not so small population

Could it be that these few individuals may have a personal interest in ensuring the existence of the Federal Reserve?

Could it be that these individuals are willing to sell out the rest of us for an unfathomable amount of money?

Could it be that your government doesn't give two shiats about you?

What scale is harder to tip, 300 + Million Americans, or 9 assholes who think they know it all?

You sound like my Bible-thumping, Alex Jones-loving cousin. He's a goddamn idiot.

Yea fark those bible people, they're always up to no good!

The God-botherer crowd, that thinks the world is 6000 years old and evolution is a lie? Yea, they are. They're Luddites, and civilization would be better off without them.

Maybe we should march them in to chambers, that we fill with gas, and eliminate them from the gene pool.

I doubt anybody has tried that before.

Oh boy, somebody Godwinned the thread. You know, for the entertainment value alone, I'm going to argue, yes. Yes we should. They're holding us back as a species.

You couldn't kill anybody, I can tell from here.
The first time you squeeze the button, with a face on the other side of your front sight post, you puke a little in your mouth.

Go fight in the middle east, and then come back and tell me you want to murder for pleasure.

I'm sure I could, I am quite familiar with rifle and shotgun, but I wouldn't do it willingly.

I was making a point: Nazi arguments are retarded because no one would resort to that in any reasonable circumstance. You're building strawmen in this thread faster than anyone can tear them down, and you're doing it because you suck at arguing. Your points aren't real points, they're vague conspiracy theories that are only supported by a fringe group of people, which is convenient, bec ...


Well, you didn't address my point, but I suppose hoping for that would be ambitious.

In any case, I wish you luck, because it seems like you live in an awful, terrifying world that you've completely constructed in your mind.
 
2013-01-25 07:00:35 PM  

flagrante: Stinkyy: whistleridge: Dear Republicans:

So long as you keep incredibly stupid shiat like this up, please stop getting outraged when the rest of us tell you that you don't understand how money works. Because clearly, you don't. And this is Exhibit #1 as to why you shouldn't be allowed control of a $10 piggybank, much less a state or national economy.

Thanks,

Those of us who DO understand how money works

[media.tumblr.com image 250x257]

I see. The Ds forgot that thing they exploded that also starts with D.

[static6.businessinsider.com image 825x616]


Dude, that graph is flagrante delicto. Nobody compares to B.O. when it comes to sending us hurtling into astro-debt.

blog.heritage.org
 
2013-01-25 07:10:22 PM  

Stinkyy: flagrante: Stinkyy: whistleridge: Dear Republicans:

So long as you keep incredibly stupid shiat like this up, please stop getting outraged when the rest of us tell you that you don't understand how money works. Because clearly, you don't. And this is Exhibit #1 as to why you shouldn't be allowed control of a $10 piggybank, much less a state or national economy.

Thanks,

Those of us who DO understand how money works

[media.tumblr.com image 250x257]

I see. The Ds forgot that thing they exploded that also starts with D.

[static6.businessinsider.com image 825x616]

Dude, that graph is flagrante delicto. Nobody compares to B.O. when it comes to sending us hurtling into astro-debt.

[blog.heritage.org image 601x569]


Because we can trust heritage's interpretation of anything, ever?
 
2013-01-25 07:20:17 PM  

Stinkyy: Dude, that graph is flagrante delicto. Nobody compares to B.O. when it comes to sending us hurtling into astro-debt.


The 'budget deficit'/GDP ratio was at about 16% for Bush's last budget. But yeah, it's all B.O.'s fault.
 
2013-01-25 07:57:52 PM  

Magorn: HartRend: Just_a_Bear: Meh, it only violates the Constitution, no big deal.

The federal reserve violates the constitution.
The constitutions guarantees the right of congress to print and coin money / set standards and weights.
Congress has given up their right to the Fed, and thus the taxation without representation.

Sorry Dr. Paul, delgation of powers does not work that way.  Every agency in the government is executing a power reserved to Congress which they then , by law, delegate to an executive agency. The fed is no different



Except the Fed is no government agency.
 
2013-01-25 08:02:24 PM  

Wangiss: Nonsense. Someone up-thread already demonstrated that gas prices are down thanks to stable inflation.



Gas prices are down because NetanYOOHOO has been too busy running for reelection to be screaming that we BOMB IRAN!!!
 
2013-01-25 08:24:51 PM  

The Larch: HartRend: Considering the number of states attempting to succeed from the USsA right now, I don't think I'm the only one with this opinion of the Fed/SCOTUS

Well, yes. I'm pretty sure all 50 states are trying to succeed.

// I think the word you were looking for was "secede".
/// And, zero is a number.
//// All zero states trying to secede right now proves your point.


i172.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-25 08:29:47 PM  

Amos Quito:
Except the Fed is no government agency.


You can go to their website at federalreserve.GOV and cure yourself of a few of the more laughable aspects of your internet education.

Besides the Supreme Court decides what is and isn't constitutional, not Alex Jones' fan club.
 
2013-01-25 09:00:43 PM  

CigaretteSmokingMan: The Larch: HartRend: Considering the number of states attempting to succeed from the USsA right now, I don't think I'm the only one with this opinion of the Fed/SCOTUS

Well, yes. I'm pretty sure all 50 states are trying to succeed.

// I think the word you were looking for was "secede".
/// And, zero is a number.
//// All zero states trying to secede right now proves your point.

[i172.photobucket.com image 198x222]


Grammar != Spelling

You can turn in your badge at the front desk on the way out.
 
2013-01-25 09:47:28 PM  

scalpod:

i172.photobucket.com

Grammar != Spelling

You can turn in your badge at the front desk on the way out.


What concerns me more is that the badge has two arrows being fired from one bow. That doesn't seem practical.

Also, why a bow and arrows? Would correcting someone's grammar be a double Cupid? I would have assumed a vise, since usually a grammar cop in our Aristotelian, catch-as-can English is just breaking your balls.

/hey, if that other guy can go half-cocked all afternoon...
 
2013-01-25 09:49:20 PM  

FlashHarry: republicans are farking nuts. seriously farking nuts. they're all goddamned SHTF preppers now. guns. gold. what's next? shelters?


There are 300 million Americans. Chances are there is at least one moron saying something stupid every day. Only question is if it will be brought to your attention.
 
2013-01-25 09:56:22 PM  

toomuchwhargarbl: Amos Quito:
Except the Fed is no government agency.

You can go to their website at federalreserve.GOV and cure yourself of a few of the more laughable aspects of your internet education.


Honeychild, if you go to my website, you may find out that I'm 12 ft tall, bullet proof, and have a 14 inch cock that has EVERY A-list actress and fashion model in on the planet drooling.

/And you can believe it
//because it's on the intarwebs
///Honeychild
 
2013-01-25 10:54:10 PM  
Yeah my state. Folks, this is why I moved to here from maryland.
 
2013-01-25 11:09:27 PM  

KrispyKritter: Superjew: I would give every penny I own for required psychological examinations as a prerequisite for holding public office.

I can't support this enough; it is way overdue. I too would honestly give up all my possessions to see this in effect, gladly. I think many people are confident the bulk of those in power in WashDC are seriously flawed individuals in need of medication, counseling and perhaps institution living. And you bet you favorite book in the bookcase it's even worse for those in military and law enforcement.

That's why politicians (the rich & powerful) have themselves surrounded by 5 layers of gun toting henchmen ready willing and able to kill 'for the cause'. Those in power are truly horrible people that should be put down like rabid raccoons. Any person that wants to lord over others and make others bend to their will and demands is seriously twisted.


While you are at that, test them for knowledge of history and civics too. More and more of them are willing to prove they don't have a working knowledge of our past or present and that is disturbing. Nevermind partisan technodrama, just the facts, they don't know them.
 
2013-01-25 11:30:44 PM  

cookiefleck: I'd love to see what their papermoney would look like.


it will have the picture of an vaginal probe on it
 
2013-01-25 11:40:39 PM  

HartRend: Just_a_Bear: Meh, it only violates the Constitution, no big deal.

The federal reserve violates the constitution.
The constitutions guarantees the right of congress to print and coin money / set standards and weights.
Congress has given up their right to the Fed, and thus the taxation without representation.


have you filled out your sovereignty papers yet?
 
2013-01-26 12:16:05 AM  
Most of the derp in VA comes from the western part of the state and pieces of the north. Prince WIlliams country is in NOVA. Closer you get to DC...
 
2013-01-26 12:17:33 AM  

DeathCipris: Most of the derp in VA comes from the western part of the state and pieces of the north. Prince WIlliams country is in NOVA. Closer you get to DC...


County...fark this is what I get when I drink and read Fark.
 
2013-01-26 01:48:04 AM  

Wangiss: Nonsense. Someone up-thread already demonstrated that gas prices are down thanks to stable inflation.


So your quality of life is based on the price of gas?
 
2013-01-26 02:02:36 AM  
uh.... when the federal reserve crashes it'll just be another business down the hole.

Congress will reclaim the authority to print money and the mint isn't going anywhere.

It'll be a non-event for almost everybody in the US.
 
2013-01-26 03:10:11 AM  

HartRend: Wangiss: Nonsense. Someone up-thread already demonstrated that gas prices are down thanks to stable inflation.

So your quality of life is based on the price of gas?


I went to Japan ten whole years ago and haven't been proficient at sarcasm since. My apologies.
 
2013-01-26 05:44:35 AM  

Lord Dimwit: Constitutionally, it can only be gold or silver. If they want to do that, go ahead.


The constitution says they cannot coin money (at all) or make anything but gold or silver a tender of debt. I have no idea what the difference is.

Anyway I'm looking forward to the 2016 Republican primary debates on freemasonry and bimetallism.
 
2013-01-26 08:54:39 AM  

Wellon Dowd: What must Bob's sister think of all this?

[29.media.tumblr.com image 333x500]


Wow, YUMMY.
 
2013-01-26 09:46:05 AM  

impaler: No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.


Yeah, let me know when DC starts obeying that again. Until then, STFU.

/fun fact, pennies and nickels are unconstitutional
 
2013-01-26 10:13:57 AM  

Jarhead_h: Yeah, let me know when DC starts obeying that again. Until then, STFU.

/fun fact, pennies and nickels are unconstitutional


That's a limitation on states, not feds. The feds coined copper in the 1700s when the people that wrote the constitution were in charge. I think they were far more aware of their own intentions than you are.
 
2013-01-26 10:56:56 AM  

ilambiquated: Lord Dimwit: Constitutionally, it can only be gold or silver. If they want to do that, go ahead.

The constitution says they cannot coin money (at all) or make anything but gold or silver a tender of debt. I have no idea what the difference is.

Anyway I'm looking forward to the 2016 Republican primary debates on freemasonry and bimetallism.


They could issue transferable, metal-backed bonds. That would have the same effect for the state and still be constitutional.
 
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