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2013-01-26 12:33:11 AM

OgreMagi: traylor: OgreMagi: traylor: vásárlás" (that last word means 'buying' in Hungarian, you know because I live in Hungary)

A simple rule of thumb about the Hungarian language. Why use one syllable when eight work just as well.

/was married to a Hungarian

Good. Here's an other rule: a word with eight syllables in Hungarian makes a six word sentence in English.

I never could pronounce köszönöm. On the other hand, I had no problem with lófasz.


Step 1: Go to Google Translate.
Step 2: Type in the word "cheese" several times. As a bonus, add "trees" in there a few times.
Step 3: Translate into Hungarian.
Step 4: Click listen.

fun for the whole family.
 
2013-01-26 12:46:15 AM

dahmers love zombie: gingerjet: RoyFokker'sGhost: Or, you know, you could just get an Android device and not have to worry about jailbreaking...

Wait - Android device owners don't jailbreak their phones?  I thought it was the only way to make an Android phone usable?

Rooted mine about three hours after I got it.  Only way to install Wireless Tether without paying Sprint's outrageous fee for the service.  Also the only way to remove the NFL bloatware and all that other crapola.


actually, FoxFi will let you tether without rooting. works great. and on my phone, (Samsung galaxy S3) I was able to remove all the bloatware except Sprint zone. I do realize this is unusual. My wife is stuck with all kinds of crap on her phone.
 
2013-01-26 01:28:00 AM
The only dumb thing here is the people that still have cell phone contracts.
 
2013-01-26 01:32:50 AM

illannoyin: serial_crusher: Are you sure you meant DCMA subby, not CDMA?

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 380x297]

He meant run DMCA

Seriously though, I'm amazed anyone buys a phone or uses a post-paid contract plan from any of the major carriers anymore.


Like the network but don't like the company? Use an MVNO (mobile virtual network operator).


Buy an un-locked GSM phone from ebay and a SIM card from straight talk (AT&T's network). Or, buy a Verizon branded phone with a clear ESN and activate it on PagePlus (Verizon's network). Unlimited everything for $45-$55/Mo. no contract. Use the same network without all it's restrictions.


There are reasons to get a contract. Free roaming is one. LTE is another (at least until the pre-paids get LTE). Unthrottled, unlimited data is another. I'm considering renewing my SERO contract for $50/month unlimited LTE data and $400-$450 off the phone. I could get more minutes and non-LTE data (throttled after 2.5GB) for $45/month pre-paid, but I'd have to pay full price for the phone, and be limited to slightly older phones.
 
2013-01-26 02:12:02 AM

Gordon Bennett: OgreMagi: traylor: OgreMagi: traylor: vásárlás" (that last word means 'buying' in Hungarian, you know because I live in Hungary)

A simple rule of thumb about the Hungarian language. Why use one syllable when eight work just as well.

/was married to a Hungarian

Good. Here's an other rule: a word with eight syllables in Hungarian makes a six word sentence in English.

I never could pronounce köszönöm. On the other hand, I had no problem with lófasz.

Step 1: Go to Google Translate.
Step 2: Type in the word "cheese" several times. As a bonus, add "trees" in there a few times.
Step 3: Translate into Hungarian.
Step 4: Click listen.

fun for the whole family.


My ex did not appreciate me giggling whenever she said cheese in her native Hungarian.
 
2013-01-26 02:37:02 AM
ya, good luck with that.
 
2013-01-26 02:37:45 AM
I'm glad I don't have these problems..I don't have a cell phone, much less a smart phone. Simplicity
is more important to me than being accessible or watching cat videos while I wait for my tacos.
 
2013-01-26 03:06:53 AM

Dokushin: Rooting, flashing, and jailbreaking remains legal.


Flashing and streaking are still subject to local community standards.
 
2013-01-26 03:30:22 AM

bhcompy: fusillade762: Weaver95: i'm so glad we let corporations write our laws...that was such a wonderful idea.

Ugh, no shiat. This BS is illegal in Europe, iirc.

In Europe you generally buy the phone outright, so it is unlocked. This is the case in the US if you buy the phone outright, as well. This is in regards to getting a subsidized phone from a carrier.


Never bought a phone in Europe, was ALWAYS given it free on contract (except in the early 90s). Almost everyone I know has the same.
 
2013-01-26 03:43:51 AM
I'm not sure if it's because I've been drinking or because it's late, but I don't see the problem requiring a user to finish their contract or pay the cancellation fee before authorizing rooting a phone. As much as the major carriers piss me off, they DO have large capital costs that need to be covered and predictable revenue streams make for a more smooth business cycle.

If another Farker would care to explain what I'm missing, I'd appreciate it.

/Yes, they telecoms are assclowns, but they're a necessary degree of assclowns
 
2013-01-26 04:13:03 AM

gaspode: bhcompy: fusillade762: Weaver95: i'm so glad we let corporations write our laws...that was such a wonderful idea.

Ugh, no shiat. This BS is illegal in Europe, iirc.

In Europe you generally buy the phone outright, so it is unlocked. This is the case in the US if you buy the phone outright, as well. This is in regards to getting a subsidized phone from a carrier.

Never bought a phone in Europe, was ALWAYS given it free on contract (except in the early 90s). Almost everyone I know has the same.


Okay, let me explain something to you.

Your phone was not free.

Cell phone carriers are not in the business of handing out free phones. They are in the business of providing a service, and if subsidizing a phone for you (i.e. paying the full price, sometimes more than $700) means you provide a long-term revenue stream for them, they're going to do it. So they buy the phone, and give it to you under a contract, stating that you're going to be with that company for X period of time (2-3 years usually). This is how they make money.

People wouldn't be able to use their service if they didn't have a phone; a $700 barrier to entry would stop most people.
 
2013-01-26 04:34:20 AM

LavenderWolf:

In Europe you generally buy the phone outright, so it is unlocked. This is the case in the US if you buy the phone outright, as well. This is in regards to getting a subsidized phone from a carrier.

Never bought a phone in Europe, was ALWAYS given it free on contract (except in the early 90s). Almost everyone I know has the same.

Okay, let me explain something to you.

Your phone was not free.


Oh gods do you really think we don't know that? This is fark not first grade ffs.

Free at the point of delivery, contrary to suggestion from the poster I responded to that euro phones are paid up front. The fact it is paid for by the contract (several times over) is so farking obvious that only a buffoon would imagine it needed saying. It is also completely irrelevant to the point I was responding to, and your post is a spectacular waste of electrons.
 
2013-01-26 05:02:13 AM

will_2679: There is a difference between being able to unlock the cell phone to use with a different carrier then jailbreaking or rooting your phone subtard.


Done in one
 
2013-01-26 06:12:15 AM
It's not enforeceable at all -- they will use this law to go after websites with unlocking instructions and tools.
 
2013-01-26 06:52:09 AM
When you keep electing lawyers to represent you, you get what you deserve.
 
2013-01-26 06:52:55 AM

doyner: Ownership has always been a myth.


Its not a myth, Verizon owns you.
 
2013-01-26 06:57:07 AM

Bisu: It'd be nice if they did that with their search engine.


Their news feed, too... at this point, all I can say is that I honestly believe Fox News is paying Google for placement.
 
2013-01-26 06:59:31 AM

Weaver95: i'm so glad we let corporations write our laws...that was such a wonderful idea.


Lobbyists. The absolute worst scum of the earth,
And the politicians that accept their bribery? TRAITORS, every one of them.

Pigs to the trough...oh I take that back. It's an unfair insult TO PIGS!
 
2013-01-26 07:01:45 AM
illegal != felony.
 
2013-01-26 07:01:49 AM

puffy999: Bisu: It'd be nice if they did that with their search engine.

Their news feed, too... at this point, all I can say is that I honestly believe Fox News is paying Google for placement.


.
There are only four or so news organizations left in the U.S., WSJ, Fox, Al Jazeera, and Breitbart. The rest are just government propaganda outlets.
 
2013-01-26 07:04:20 AM

david_gaithersburg: puffy999: Bisu: It'd be nice if they did that with their search engine.

Their news feed, too... at this point, all I can say is that I honestly believe Fox News is paying Google for placement.

.
There are only four or so news organizations left in the U.S., WSJ, Fox, Al Jazeera, and Breitbart. The rest are just government propaganda outlets.


Hell, I like you. I'd even let you come over and f*ck my sister.
 
2013-01-26 07:34:33 AM

Day_Old_Dutchie: Weaver95: i'm so glad we let corporations write our laws...that was such a wonderful idea.

Lobbyists. The absolute worst scum of the earth,
And the politicians that accept their bribery? TRAITORS, every one of them.

Pigs to the trough...oh I take that back. It's an unfair insult TO PIGS!


i94.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-26 07:37:17 AM

doyner: Ownership has always been a myth.


That's the modern business model: Leasing and "selling" imaginary things.
Can I sell you an opinion?

/Tracfone, ftw. It talks, it texts, bluetooth, music, wifi, surf the web & etc., all for 200 bucks a year.
 
2013-01-26 07:40:22 AM

puffy999: david_gaithersburg: puffy999: Bisu: It'd be nice if they did that with their search engine.

Their news feed, too... at this point, all I can say is that I honestly believe Fox News is paying Google for placement.

.
There are only four or so news organizations left in the U.S., WSJ, Fox, Al Jazeera, and Breitbart. The rest are just government propaganda outlets.

Hell, I like you. I'd even let you come over and f*ck my sister.


He's not interested.
 
2013-01-26 07:43:46 AM

alwaysjaded: There's no way to get rid of or at least block all that bloatware on my phone, is there. I would root but I just know I'll be in that small percent that bricks their phone. That crap is sucking way too much battery life.


There are lots of ways to do just that.

And rooting is incredibly easy to do.

If you can plug in a USB cable, you can root your phone.
 
2013-01-26 07:44:23 AM
/Tracfone, ftw. It talks, it texts, bluetooth, music, wifi, surf the web & etc., all for 200 bucks a year.

As God is my witness, in a previous job with a place that sold phones, I've had more than one Tracfone customer try to exchange the phone because they couldn't get a dial tone. They were usually very very old.
 
2013-01-26 07:47:09 AM

Trackball: The only dumb thing here is the people that still have cell phone contracts.


Dass.
 
2013-01-26 07:53:33 AM

Matthew Keene: /Tracfone, ftw. It talks, it texts, bluetooth, music, wifi, surf the web & etc., all for 200 bucks a year.

As God is my witness, in a previous job with a place that sold phones, I've had more than one Tracfone customer try to exchange the phone because they couldn't get a dial tone. They were usually very very old.


I just let go of my vintage (circa 2004) Sprint flip phone and activated an LG840G. Got 1,465 minutes and 425 days of service -- plus the phone, which is a G3 -- all for $114. And it runs on the Verizon network. It isn't a smartphone, but it's clever enough to do everything I need and more.

/No more 130 bucks a month to those sprint bastarts.
 
2013-01-26 08:07:37 AM

Dokushin: viscountalpha: Dokushin: viscountalpha: Dokushin: This has nothing to do with jailbreaking or rooting. Jesus, no one reads anymore.

This concerns the process of unlocking your SIM lock, meaning you can use the phone on other networks. Rooting, flashing, and jailbreaking remains legal.

Your the one who didn't read. It specifically limits jail-breaking. They are targeting people abusing the system though for profit. But it could be slapped on someone if they are looking for someone breaking the law.

So, No. It's not legal.

Okay, we'll dance. Citation of gaining root access on iOS becoming illegal?

I didn't say root-access? No I didn't. Did you go read the actual document? NO! you didn't or you could cite out why JAIL BREAKING is causing issues.

Since your a lazy moron and I have to point out what I'm referencing,

Link

ffs, GBOD.

Do you know what "jailbreaking" means? Here, I'll help, since words are hard.

Wikipedia on Jailbreaking: Jailbreaking permits root access to the iOS operating system, allowing the download of additional applications, extensions, and themes that are unavailable through the official Apple App Store.

As I already said, this has nothing to do with the legislation in question, which targets acquisition of cellphones at subsidized prices and "unlocking" them (removing the SIM lock) so that they may be used on other networks (associated with companies that did not pay the subsidy).


No!!! GET A BRAIN MORAN. GO USA!! 11!
 
2013-01-26 08:23:12 AM

Supes: Bisu: They're not really "subsidized" in the way most people think of the word, either. You're paying $40-50 more a month for 24 months vs the same carrier's prepaid plan. It's more of a "payment plan with obscene interest rates" than a subsidy, since you end up paying around a thousand dollars more for the phone.

The weirdest thing is some providers that provide 2-year contracts for bring-your-own-device plans. I always wonder who falls for that... it's the worst of both worlds.


I do.

Galaxy S3: €460
90 minutes/sms + 500MB (what I need): €10.50 / month
Total for 2 years: €712

Cheapest subscription with "free" galaxy S3 (300 min/sms 1GB): €45 (first 9 months half price)
Total for 2 years: €877.50

Yup, I feel like I'm getting swindled here.

/YMMV based on geographical location
 
2013-01-26 08:35:17 AM
Misleading headline. starting today it becomes illegal to jailbreak a newly bought cell phone that is under contract. any phone bought before today is still free game.
 
2013-01-26 08:46:29 AM

thamike: [news.cnet.com image 287x296]

I'm perfectly happy with my DumbPhone.


s8.postimage.org

Still going on three years after taking numerous beatings (two years with Verizon, the rest with Page Plus).
 
2013-01-26 08:54:36 AM
WTF? How did we get some office that non-legislatively decides on its own that something is legal now then illegal a week from now?
 
2013-01-26 08:54:44 AM

Darth_Lukecash: doyner: Weaver95: i'm so glad we let corporations write our laws...that was such a wonderful idea.

Corporations are people, my friend.

Cant we execute a few, just to prove that point?


i.stack.imgur.com
 
2013-01-26 08:57:52 AM

doyner: Weaver95: i'm so glad we let corporations write our laws...that was such a wonderful idea.

Corporations are people, my friend.


So are thieves.
 
2013-01-26 08:59:31 AM
I went to pay-as-you-go, as well. Had this one for a couple of years.

dl.dropbox.com

LG800g Resistive touchscreen, camera, SMS, voicemail, really basic Internet.
120 minutes will last me a couple of months and only costs me $20. You can add minutes either through a phone card, online, or buy directly through the phone if you've setup an online account. The minutes and service time carry over to the next month.
 
2013-01-26 08:59:47 AM
This is bull.

I used to have a motorola bag phone that could be unlocked to listen to cell phone conversations, and although the actual listening may have been illegal the unlocking was perfectly legal. The only reason this is out there is because people were getting arounf bullshiat telcom monopolies. WHY THE fark IS OUR GOVERNMENT PASSING LAWS TO ENFORCE A MONOPOLY WHEN TRUST ARE ILLEGAL!?!

It also proves I was right about the DMCA in that it was purposfully written so vague. People were saying "god this could make reprograming your phone illegal." to which they would hear "Aw that's silly, why would they use it like that?" It will be used and interpited whenever such hacking impedes someone making a buck. In this case they can't say it's illegal to take YOUR PHONE to another carrier and get service with them, so instead they say it's illegal to unlock said phone to be used with third party service.

*sigh*
Hypnozombie
 
2013-01-26 09:01:43 AM
DCMA -- Don't Call Me Anymore.
 
2013-01-26 09:01:50 AM

traylor: OgreMagi: I never could pronounce köszönöm. On the other hand, I had no problem with lófasz.

LOL. I see your ex-wife had taught you all the important words.


hmm

/google
//Fry eyesquint at both OgreMagi and traylor
 
2013-01-26 09:06:05 AM
o_O

Was this thread bumped? It says "posted to Main » on 26 Jan 2013 at 6:43 AM" but it was up yesterday evening (first non-TF post 2013-01-25 06:47:14 PM).
 
2013-01-26 09:06:51 AM

cman: Weaver95: i'm so glad we let corporations write our laws...that was such a wonderful idea.

I doubt the Librarian of Congress has a lobbyist


http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/agencysum.php?id=007

The more you know.
 
2013-01-26 09:10:04 AM

ajgeek: MrEricSir: Or you could buy a phone that's already unlocked at avoid any of this.

I'm not sure I can justify $500 for a PHONE when I can buy a laptop for nearly the same price and have a lot more functionality.


Then buy a cheaper phone
 
2013-01-26 09:10:32 AM

Vaneshi: Removing the SIM lock requires nothing more than a phone call


In France, the phone call would lead you in circles and you would get nowhere. But this is standard for CS in France, where the customer is never right and is just an annoyance in general.

But that was five years ago. Now you can unlock it online. I unlocked my iPhone online. No hassle as I was out of contract. I think you can do it after 3 months if you are still in a contract.
 
2013-01-26 09:21:25 AM

DerAppie: Supes: Bisu: They're not really "subsidized" in the way most people think of the word, either. You're paying $40-50 more a month for 24 months vs the same carrier's prepaid plan. It's more of a "payment plan with obscene interest rates" than a subsidy, since you end up paying around a thousand dollars more for the phone.

The weirdest thing is some providers that provide 2-year contracts for bring-your-own-device plans. I always wonder who falls for that... it's the worst of both worlds.

I do.

Galaxy S3: €460
90 minutes/sms + 500MB (what I need): €10.50 / month
Total for 2 years: €712

Cheapest subscription with "free" galaxy S3 (300 min/sms 1GB): €45 (first 9 months half price)
Total for 2 years: €877.50

Yup, I feel like I'm getting swindled here.

/YMMV based on geographical location


Similar in the UK: Best unlimited internet plan is GBP 12/month with Giffgaff (288 over 2 years). Galaxy S3 retails at around 375 sim free. Total cost
3 Mobile's 2 year contract on the S3 with unlimited internet is 30/month = 720 over two years. Plus you're tied to their network.
 
2013-01-26 09:23:03 AM
More dinkyphone fail. And all for a screen the size of a recipe card.
 
2013-01-26 09:31:16 AM

Slaxl: traylor: thamike: [news.cnet.com image 287x296]

I'm perfectly happy with my DumbPhone.

Me loves dumbphones myself too, bat that's not a dumbphone. THIS is a dumbphone.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 138x300]

/happily using one of these for calling people and receiving calls for the last 11 years
/oh and SMS stuff

I see you're played dumbphoney, slightly dumberphoney before.


edudemic.com

Gordon always wins.
 
2013-01-26 09:36:58 AM
Wow. So not a single piece of information in subby's headline was accurate. Well, except for the link to BGR.

Subby clearly doesn't understand the difference between unlocking your under-contract phone to switch to a different carrier and jailbreaking your under-contract phone to gain access to functionality normally denied to users.

Subby also clearly doesn't understand the difference between "it becomes illegal next week" and "you have one week before it becomes illegal"

Come on, subby. You can do better. We're all rooting for ya.
 
2013-01-26 09:44:46 AM

strife: thamike: [news.cnet.com image 287x296]

I'm perfectly happy with my DumbPhone.

[s8.postimage.org image 234x317]

Still going on three years after taking numerous beatings (two years with Verizon, the rest with Page Plus).


+1. My mom had her iPhone 4 stolen at work a few days ago, so I went to the Verizon store with her to get a five. The salescritter tried to pressure me into a free 4. No thanks. I'll keep my old, kind of nifty feature phone.
/although I do have to re-glue the metal bit that hold the keypad in place. It's peeling off.
 
2013-01-26 09:45:06 AM
Today is next week. Welcome to the future.
 
2013-01-26 09:45:39 AM

ProfessorOhki: Seriously though, that $200-300 price break on the phone isn't free; it's just added int your $1600/2yr contract. They're not discounted, they're subsidized.


That's not my problem. I pay $500 to own a phone. I go to a carrier that supports that phone. I pay the exact same price as someone who shelled out the extra $200 for the subsidized. I was required to sign a contract. In Maine I only have two options, U.S. Cellular and Verizon. Both of them effectively told me to take my phone and shove it up my ass.

So what's the point? I can own a phone, but can't get cheaper service, or I can buy one of theirs and voluntarily place my balls in their bench vise for two years. And prepaid plans are more expensive than contract!

Bisu: They're not really "subsidized" in the way most people think of the word, either. You're paying $40-50 more a month for 24 months vs the same carrier's prepaid plan. It's more of a "payment plan with obscene interest rates" than a subsidy, since you end up paying around a thousand dollars more for the phone.


But the companies charge the same or more for a BYOP plan. I admit my information may be dated here, as I've been using Straight Talk for about 2 years.
 
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