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(BGR)   You have 1 week left to "jailbreak" your under-contract smartphone, or any tablet, before it becomes a felony under the DCMA   (bgr.com ) divider line
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2013-01-25 10:55:35 AM  
There is a difference between being able to unlock the cell phone to use with a different carrier then jailbreaking or rooting your phone subtard.
 
2013-01-25 11:55:40 AM  
If it's "under contract" what difference does it make if I unlock it to use with another carrier? I still have to pay for my contract right?

What's the issue here?
 
2013-01-25 12:53:35 PM  
According to our favorite site Consumerist, this only applies to phones purchased after that date, not phones you already own.

FTA: So what that all means is that, if you have a cellphone right now, you can still unlock it at your leisure and not be breaking the law.

Link
 
2013-01-25 05:00:02 PM  
Ownership has always been a myth.
 
2013-01-25 05:14:28 PM  
There's no way to get rid of or at least block all that bloatware on my phone, is there. I would root but I just know I'll be in that small percent that bricks their phone. That crap is sucking way too much battery life.
 
2013-01-25 05:28:27 PM  
www.macobserver.com
 
2013-01-25 05:34:05 PM  
i'm so glad we let corporations write our laws...that was such a wonderful idea.
 
2013-01-25 05:34:48 PM  

Weaver95: i'm so glad we let corporations write our laws...that was such a wonderful idea.


Corporations are people, my friend.
 
2013-01-25 05:37:00 PM  
There's a difference between "You have one week before this is illegal", and "This becomes illegal next week".

That's some fine reading comprehension there, submittard.
 
2013-01-25 06:01:37 PM  

Weaver95: i'm so glad we let corporations write our laws...that was such a wonderful idea.


Ugh, no shiat. This BS is illegal in Europe, iirc.
 
2013-01-25 06:01:45 PM  
news.cnet.com

I'm perfectly happy with my DumbPhone.
 
2013-01-25 06:05:50 PM  

doyner: Weaver95: i'm so glad we let corporations write our laws...that was such a wonderful idea.

Corporations are people, my friend.


Cant we execute a few, just to prove that point?
 
2013-01-25 06:10:24 PM  
Imagine if cars were done that way. There would never have been a custom car ever.
 
2013-01-25 06:41:02 PM  

Weaver95: i'm so glad we let corporations write our laws...that was such a wonderful idea.


I doubt the Librarian of Congress has a lobbyist
 
2013-01-25 06:47:14 PM  
Or, you know, you could just get an Android device and not have to worry about jailbreaking...
 
2013-01-25 06:49:54 PM  

fusillade762: Weaver95: i'm so glad we let corporations write our laws...that was such a wonderful idea.

Ugh, no shiat. This BS is illegal in Europe, iirc.


In Europe you generally buy the phone outright, so it is unlocked. This is the case in the US if you buy the phone outright, as well. This is in regards to getting a subsidized phone from a carrier.
 
2013-01-25 06:53:19 PM  
Unless I can somehow put droid on my windows phone 7 Nokia Lumia 710, then I guess this won't apply to me.

/cant do crap with my phone.
//but what it can do it does very well.
 
2013-01-25 06:53:47 PM  

alwaysjaded: There's no way to get rid of or at least block all that bloatware on my phone, is there. I would root but I just know I'll be in that small percent that bricks their phone. That crap is sucking way too much battery life.


In the UK you can buy a phone from Carphone Warehouse. They're a huge phone retailer and all their stock is unbranded so they can sell you a phone on any network. I even upgraded my phone in there and got a nice new, factory fresh, HTC with no network bloat and not locked to any network. As a bonus for Android you get the software updates far quicker as well because you get the stock factory update without having to wait for the network to come up with one.

But even a locked phone can still be legally unlocked easily, with or without your networks okay.
 
2013-01-25 06:55:38 PM  

bhcompy: fusillade762: Weaver95: i'm so glad we let corporations write our laws...that was such a wonderful idea.

Ugh, no shiat. This BS is illegal in Europe, iirc.

In Europe you generally buy the phone outright, so it is unlocked. This is the case in the US if you buy the phone outright, as well. This is in regards to getting a subsidized phone from a carrier.


I'd say most smartphones sold in the UK are on contract. Most free on standard tariffs. But that's purely anecdotal, I don't know the figures.
 
2013-01-25 06:59:40 PM  
Yeah, good luck with the shiatstorm of negative PR you'll get from suing paid customers.
 
2013-01-25 07:00:37 PM  
So how will they know *when* we unlock our phones? (Mine are all unlocked now. OS replaced as well.)
 
2013-01-25 07:03:31 PM  
When Cyanogenmod is outlawed, only outlaws will have Cyanogenmod.
 
2013-01-25 07:07:52 PM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: Or, you know, you could just get an Android device and not have to worry about jailbreaking...


Wait - Android device owners don't jailbreak their phones?  I thought it was the only way to make an Android phone usable?
 
2013-01-25 07:10:27 PM  
Someone needs to test the law and provoke a prosecution.

That could be a very, very entertaining jury trial.

Stupid laws have to be provoked.
 
2013-01-25 07:12:40 PM  

impaler: If it's "under contract" what difference does it make if I unlock it to use with another carrier? I still have to pay for my contract right?

What's the issue here?


Best I can figure is if you travel to Europe and don't want to pay for a cheapo dumbphone over there, but instead would like to use your iPhone 5 which is still under contract with AT&T, you're going to be paying boatloads of roaming costs, and I'm sure AT&T is just thrilled to have you do so.
(Verizon iPhone 5's are unlocked out of the box no matter what because of a specific FCC rule regarding the frequencies they use. Probably other LTE phones, too.)

Otherwise, the way I read it, you're right... The ETF would apply if you leave early, at which point it's no longer illegal. Same goes for an expiring contract... So it seems to be a very small percentage of users it would affect.
 
2013-01-25 07:17:27 PM  
 
2013-01-25 07:20:17 PM  
I am shocked that......................................there are 2 Windows Phones in that picture
 
2013-01-25 07:20:22 PM  

will_2679: There is a difference between being able to unlock the cell phone to use with a different carrier then jailbreaking or rooting your phone subtard.


Repeating because apparently some people missed the top post in the thread.

BlackArt: So how will they know *when* we unlock our phones? (Mine are all unlocked now. OS replaced as well.)


It probably allows them to start going after sites who post directions on how to unlock and make available any tool used to do so.
 
2013-01-25 07:23:49 PM  
Yeah and copying movies is a crime too.
 
2013-01-25 07:24:18 PM  
Are you sure you meant DCMA subby, not CDMA?
 
2013-01-25 07:29:00 PM  

gingerjet: RoyFokker'sGhost: Or, you know, you could just get an Android device and not have to worry about jailbreaking...

Wait - Android device owners don't jailbreak their phones?  I thought it was the only way to make an Android phone usable?


Rooted mine about three hours after I got it.  Only way to install Wireless Tether without paying Sprint's outrageous fee for the service.  Also the only way to remove the NFL bloatware and all that other crapola.
 
2013-01-25 07:29:14 PM  

gingerjet:

Wait - Android device owners don't jailbreak their phones?  I thought it was the only way to make an Android phone usable?


You thought something that ended up being wrong? Color me shocked.
 
2013-01-25 07:30:16 PM  

thamike: [news.cnet.com image 287x296]

I'm perfectly happy with my DumbPhone.


Me loves dumbphones myself too, bat that's not a dumbphone. THIS is a dumbphone.

upload.wikimedia.org

/happily using one of these for calling people and receiving calls for the last 11 years
/oh and SMS stuff
 
2013-01-25 07:31:53 PM  

gingerjet: RoyFokker'sGhost: Or, you know, you could just get an Android device and not have to worry about jailbreaking...

Wait - Android device owners don't jailbreak their phones?  I thought it was the only way to make an Android phone usable?


Jailbreaking on Android is very different than jailbreaking on iOS. Speaking from my own experience, I have an Android phone (HTC) and an Android tablet (Transformer), and I've never had a problem with taking off anything factory installed that I don't want; like the digital copy of 'Green Hornet' that came pre-installed on my phone. You hook it up directly via USB to your computer and mount it as a removable drive. No farking around with iTunes. If I'm goign to a game convention, I can put PDFs of the game books on my tablet directly. I swap out the music on my phone directly. The only need to jailbreak an Android phone is to install custom apps that aren't in the Google Play store, and I haven't found an app I've wanted to install that isn't there.

Now, the downside, for the paranoid, is that it's all extremely interconnected with Google. You're hooked up with your Gmail and Amazon accounts, but you can still use other email services and online stores; there's just direct links already installed for Google's stuff. The big advantage, though, is that I can make changes on one device and it gets updated on the other device.

Bottom line, Google treats you like a rational, reasonable adult.
 
2013-01-25 07:33:10 PM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: Or, you know, you could just get an Android device and not have to worry about jailbreaking...


There's so much wrong with this sentence I don't even know where to begin....
 
2013-01-25 07:33:41 PM  

traylor: /happily using one of these for calling people and receiving calls for the last 11 years


Those are just fine for making calls.

I don't make calls 99% of the time. I think I was on the phone for 20 minutes last month.
 
2013-01-25 07:34:59 PM  

RoyFokker'sGhost:
Bottom line, Google treats you like a rational, reasonable adult.


It'd be nice if they did that with their search engine. Right now they give me 3 results (out of 8 million) for the search terms I entered, and then list 8 suggested searches with the first result of each. I love having to go to page 2 for results 4 through 100.
 
2013-01-25 07:38:14 PM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: Bottom line, Google treats you like a rational, reasonable adult.


Which has absolutely nothing to do with any of this. It's the wireless carriers, not Google, trying to tie the phones down. The rooting/jailbreaking distinction is irrelevant. Anything that can permit you to unlock your phone will be illegal without carrier permission.

We're not talking about OS freedom/flexibility, we're talking about network freedom/flexibility.
 
2013-01-25 07:41:33 PM  

Weaver95: i'm so glad we let corporations write our laws...that was such a wonderful idea.


Yay Biden.
 
2013-01-25 07:41:38 PM  
Is January 26 a week from now, submitter? Are you from the past?
 
2013-01-25 07:45:04 PM  

Bisu: RoyFokker'sGhost:
Bottom line, Google treats you like a rational, reasonable adult.

It'd be nice if they did that with their search engine. Right now they give me 3 results (out of 8 million) for the search terms I entered, and then list 8 suggested searches with the first result of each. I love having to go to page 2 for results 4 through 100.


Is it really that hard to click "next page" to get your Mexican Clown Bukkake fix?

img203.imageshack.us
 
2013-01-25 07:48:35 PM  
So is subby the idiot or the greenlighter?

Jailbreaking is not unlocking, and vice versa. Very humored by the commenters who also don't know the difference.

/but its still bullshiat.
 
2013-01-25 07:51:17 PM  

Supes: RoyFokker'sGhost: Bottom line, Google treats you like a rational, reasonable adult.

Which has absolutely nothing to do with any of this. It's the wireless carriers, not Google, trying to tie the phones down. The rooting/jailbreaking distinction is irrelevant. Anything that can permit you to unlock your phone will be illegal without carrier permission.

We're not talking about OS freedom/flexibility, we're talking about network freedom/flexibility.


Which, if you want the flexibility, buy the phone by itself, outside of the carrier, then choose a carrier to sign up with. The only caveat is that you're paying full price for the phone, rather than the subsidized price that a carrier offers.
 
2013-01-25 07:51:42 PM  

Flint Ironstag: alwaysjaded: There's no way to get rid of or at least block all that bloatware on my phone, is there. I would root but I just know I'll be in that small percent that bricks their phone. That crap is sucking way too much battery life.

In the UK you can buy a phone from Carphone Warehouse. They're a huge phone retailer and all their stock is unbranded so they can sell you a phone on any network. I even upgraded my phone in there and got a nice new, factory fresh, HTC with no network bloat and not locked to any network. As a bonus for Android you get the software updates far quicker as well because you get the stock factory update without having to wait for the network to come up with one.

But even a locked phone can still be legally unlocked easily, with or without your networks okay.


I'll try to do something like that when my contract runs out. I have a Galaxy S2 with T-Mobile and everything is tied in with their worthless software. *sigh*
 
2013-01-25 07:52:00 PM  

traylor: thamike: [news.cnet.com image 287x296]

I'm perfectly happy with my DumbPhone.

Me loves dumbphones myself too, bat that's not a dumbphone. THIS is a dumbphone.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 138x300]

/happily using one of these for calling people and receiving calls for the last 11 years
/oh and SMS stuff


I see you're played dumbphoney, slightly dumberphoney before.
 
2013-01-25 07:54:06 PM  

Bisu: RoyFokker'sGhost:
Bottom line, Google treats you like a rational, reasonable adult.

It'd be nice if they did that with their search engine. Right now they give me 3 results (out of 8 million) for the search terms I entered, and then list 8 suggested searches with the first result of each. I love having to go to page 2 for results 4 through 100.


CSB
Yesterday I was looking for a place for buying a Surface Pro, so I opened Google and entered "surface pro vásárlás" (that last word means 'buying' in Hungarian, you know because I live in Hungary). I set the the time limit to one week, and the first result that Google gave me was an Apple Store. I have no idea how the hell did they accomplished that.

/proof: link to Google still works
 
2013-01-25 07:55:04 PM  

impaler: If it's "under contract" what difference does it make if I unlock it to use with another carrier? I still have to pay for my contract right?

What's the issue here?


ETF = $350
2 year contract = $1250-3750

There's your issue. The carrier doesn't really want the ETF. They're not in the business of selling phones. They're in the business of selling service. They want your $50-150 per line per month for the service for the full length of their contract.
 
2013-01-25 07:58:57 PM  

jtown: impaler: If it's "under contract" what difference does it make if I unlock it to use with another carrier? I still have to pay for my contract right?

What's the issue here?

ETF = $350
2 year contract = $1250-3750

There's your issue. The carrier doesn't really want the ETF. They're not in the business of selling phones. They're in the business of selling service. They want your $50-150 per line per month for the service for the full length of their contract.


This.
 
2013-01-25 07:59:28 PM  
Or you could buy a phone that's already unlocked at avoid any of this.
 
2013-01-25 08:02:03 PM  

MrEricSir: Or you could buy a phone that's already unlocked at avoid any of this.


I'm not sure I can justify $500 for a PHONE when I can buy a laptop for nearly the same price and have a lot more functionality.
 
2013-01-25 08:05:45 PM  

MrEricSir: Or you could buy a phone that's already unlocked at avoid any of this.


I think most people would do this if more providers gave discounts on the cost of service for BYOD plans. But most don't, or the discount is insignificant. And sometimes they even throw in a surcharge because they want you to sign a longterm contract.

Then you have a handful of carriers that won't even accept unlocked devices on their networks.
 
2013-01-25 08:05:51 PM  

ajgeek: MrEricSir: Or you could buy a phone that's already unlocked at avoid any of this.

I'm not sure I can justify $500 for a PHONE when I can buy a laptop for nearly the same price and have a lot more functionality.


Good luck web browsing while walking down the street, taking photos, and making calls with your laptop.
 
2013-01-25 08:10:56 PM  

MrEricSir: ajgeek: MrEricSir: Or you could buy a phone that's already unlocked at avoid any of this.

I'm not sure I can justify $500 for a PHONE when I can buy a laptop for nearly the same price and have a lot more functionality.

Good luck web browsing while walking down the street, taking photos, and making calls with your laptop.


A friend of mine has the Galaxy Note II and jokingly refers to it as his laptop because of its size.
 
2013-01-25 08:11:27 PM  
Ok, fine. I'll stop. Just after I quit dl'ing torrents.
 
2013-01-25 08:12:21 PM  

Bisu: RoyFokker'sGhost:
Bottom line, Google treats you like a rational, reasonable adult.

It'd be nice if they did that with their search engine. Right now they give me 3 results (out of 8 million) for the search terms I entered, and then list 8 suggested searches with the first result of each. I love having to go to page 2 for results 4 through 100.


Bing is truly superior in this regard. They adopted the Google minimalist philosophy while Google Search has morphed into a bloated, ad-laden piece of junk. Bing is where Google was about 5 years ago(maybe a little longer), which was the sweetspot for searchability without all the stupid bloat and dynamic content.
 
2013-01-25 08:14:16 PM  
farm3.staticflickr.com

I am so screwed.
 
2013-01-25 08:14:26 PM  

bhcompy: Bisu: RoyFokker'sGhost:
Bottom line, Google treats you like a rational, reasonable adult.

It'd be nice if they did that with their search engine. Right now they give me 3 results (out of 8 million) for the search terms I entered, and then list 8 suggested searches with the first result of each. I love having to go to page 2 for results 4 through 100.

Bing is truly superior in this regard. They adopted the Google minimalist philosophy while Google Search has morphed into a bloated, ad-laden piece of junk. Bing is where Google was about 5 years ago(maybe a little longer), which was the sweetspot for searchability without all the stupid bloat and dynamic content.


I like the image search on Bing for when I need square-formatted images for iTunes album art. GIS frustrates me in this regard.
 
2013-01-25 08:20:35 PM  

ajgeek: MrEricSir: Or you could buy a phone that's already unlocked at avoid any of this.

I'm not sure I can justify $500 for a PHONE when I can buy a laptop for nearly the same price and have a lot more functionality.


I don't know if you can justify $500 for a laptop when you can get a desktop for nearly the same price and have a lot more functionality.

Seriously though, that $200-300 price break on the phone isn't free; it's just added int your $1600/2yr contract. They're not discounted, they're subsidized.
 
2013-01-25 08:27:14 PM  

ProfessorOhki: ajgeek: MrEricSir: Or you could buy a phone that's already unlocked at avoid any of this.

I'm not sure I can justify $500 for a PHONE when I can buy a laptop for nearly the same price and have a lot more functionality.

I don't know if you can justify $500 for a laptop when you can get a desktop for nearly the same price and have a lot more functionality.

Seriously though, that $200-300 price break on the phone isn't free; it's just added int your $1600/2yr contract. They're not discounted, they're subsidized.


They're not really "subsidized" in the way most people think of the word, either. You're paying $40-50 more a month for 24 months vs the same carrier's prepaid plan. It's more of a "payment plan with obscene interest rates" than a subsidy, since you end up paying around a thousand dollars more for the phone.
 
2013-01-25 08:27:20 PM  

doyner: Ownership has always been a myth.


Existence itself is a myth.
i18.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-25 08:30:04 PM  

Bisu: ProfessorOhki: ajgeek: MrEricSir: Or you could buy a phone that's already unlocked at avoid any of this.

I'm not sure I can justify $500 for a PHONE when I can buy a laptop for nearly the same price and have a lot more functionality.

I don't know if you can justify $500 for a laptop when you can get a desktop for nearly the same price and have a lot more functionality.

Seriously though, that $200-300 price break on the phone isn't free; it's just added int your $1600/2yr contract. They're not discounted, they're subsidized.

They're not really "subsidized" in the way most people think of the word, either. You're paying $40-50 more a month for 24 months vs the same carrier's prepaid plan. It's more of a "payment plan with obscene interest rates" than a subsidy, since you end up paying around a thousand dollars more for the phone.


I should say around a thousand dollars minus the "subsidy" you got for signing the contract. So subtract that $200 to $450 from the thousand. Didn't mean to mislead too much.
 
2013-01-25 08:31:08 PM  

Bisu: They're not really "subsidized" in the way most people think of the word, either. You're paying $40-50 more a month for 24 months vs the same carrier's prepaid plan. It's more of a "payment plan with obscene interest rates" than a subsidy, since you end up paying around a thousand dollars more for the phone.


The weirdest thing is some providers that provide 2-year contracts for bring-your-own-device plans. I always wonder who falls for that... it's the worst of both worlds.
 
2013-01-25 08:31:13 PM  

Amos Quito: [farm3.staticflickr.com image 640x428]

I am so screwed.


You can dial by tapping the switch hook. Tap 10 times to get the operator.
 
2013-01-25 08:33:38 PM  
Came for overreacting herpa derp from people who have no idea what this law really is.

/leaving very satisfied
 
2013-01-25 08:33:43 PM  
My understanding of this is that once the contract is up or you cancel the contract and pay the termination the fee is your and then you can unlock or jailbreak. Beside which unless Verizon goes checking to around to see you took your two year old VZW phone elsewhere over to another carrier once your contract was up, how would they ever know?

Where this is a problem is for overseas travel. I unlocked my Incredible so I could use it on a network in China when I traveled. If you don't unlock it you have to set something through Verizon to use it overseas and they surcharge the hell out of you for that. Whereas with an unlocked phone you walk you into Guomei with the phone and walk out with service for a few RMB.
 
2013-01-25 08:36:56 PM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: Jailbreaking on Android is very different than jailbreaking on iOS. Speaking from my own experience, I have an Android phone (HTC) and an Android tablet (Transformer), and I've never had a problem with taking off anything factory installed that I don't want; like the digital copy of 'Green Hornet' that came pre-installed on my phone. You hook it up directly via USB to your computer and mount it as a removable drive. No farking around with iTunes. If I'm goign to a game convention, I can put PDFs of the game books on my tablet directly. I swap out the music on my phone directly. The only need to jailbreak an Android phone is to install custom apps that aren't in the Google Play store, and I haven't found an app I've wanted to install that isn't there.


Android lets you install apps from anywhere by default. No need to root it or jailbreak it for that. I've never bothered to jailbreak mine.
 
2013-01-25 08:38:09 PM  

Supes: The weirdest thing is some providers that provide 2-year contracts for bring-your-own-device plans. I always wonder who falls for that... it's the worst of both worlds.


An extended warranty? How can I lose?!
 
2013-01-25 08:39:00 PM  

dahmers love zombie: Rooted mine about three hours after I got it.  Only way to install Wireless Tether without paying Sprint's outrageous fee for the service.  Also the only way to remove the NFL bloatware and all that other crapola.


Perhaps ... maybe .... ya know ... you bought the wrong phone?
 
2013-01-25 08:44:07 PM  

traylor: thamike: [news.cnet.com image 287x296]

I'm perfectly happy with my DumbPhone.

Me loves dumbphones myself too, bat that's not a dumbphone. THIS is a dumbphone.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 138x300]

/happily using one of these for calling people and receiving calls for the last 11 years
/oh and SMS stuff


No no no, this is a dumb phone:

4.bp.blogspot.com

Doubly dumb if Max stepped in dogshiat before taking a call.
 
2013-01-25 08:48:48 PM  
Mine is ok

From AT&T web site:

AT&T will unlock an iPhone under the following circumstances:

•The person requesting the unlock is:
◦A current AT&T customer, or
◦A former AT&T customer who can provide the phone number or account number for the account.
•The iPhone was designed for use on the AT&T network.
•All contract obligations, including any term commitment, associated with the device to be unlocked have been fully satisfied.
•The iPhone has not been reported lost or stolen
 
2013-01-25 08:57:58 PM  

gingerjet: dahmers love zombie: Rooted mine about three hours after I got it.  Only way to install Wireless Tether without paying Sprint's outrageous fee for the service.  Also the only way to remove the NFL bloatware and all that other crapola.

Perhaps ... maybe .... ya know ... you bought the wrong phone?


I've rooted/hacked every phone I've owned since '98 to get it to a level I was happy with...until I bought my Atrix 2. Out of the box that phone did EVERYTHING I wanted it too, or could do so via an app. I will probably never mess with it.

Lesson: if you don't want your customers pissing around or going to other carriers, give them what they want.
 
2013-01-25 09:07:32 PM  
It's my damn phone and I'll root it if I want.
 
2013-01-25 09:07:42 PM  

doyner: Weaver95: i'm so glad we let corporations write our laws...that was such a wonderful idea.

Corporations are people, my friend.


People without souls. The most dangerous kind of person. One who has zero compassion about killing and violating others rights. Not all Corporations are evil but they seem to carry inherent predication towards evil.
 
2013-01-25 09:09:41 PM  

traylor: vásárlás" (that last word means 'buying' in Hungarian, you know because I live in Hungary)


A simple rule of thumb about the Hungarian language. Why use one syllable when eight work just as well.

/was married to a Hungarian
 
2013-01-25 09:14:46 PM  

serial_crusher: Are you sure you meant DCMA subby, not CDMA?


4.bp.blogspot.com

He meant run DMCA



Seriously though, I'm amazed anyone buys a phone or uses a post-paid contract plan from any of the major carriers anymore.


Like the network but don't like the company? Use an MVNO (mobile virtual network operator).


Buy an un-locked GSM phone from ebay and a SIM card from straight talk (AT&T's network). Or, buy a Verizon branded phone with a clear ESN and activate it on PagePlus (Verizon's network). Unlimited everything for $45-$55/Mo. no contract. Use the same network without all it's restrictions.
 
2013-01-25 09:22:12 PM  
This has nothing to do with jailbreaking or rooting. Jesus, no one reads anymore.

This concerns the process of unlocking your SIM lock, meaning you can use the phone on other networks. Rooting, flashing, and jailbreaking remains legal.
 
2013-01-25 09:26:49 PM  

bhcompy: In Europe you generally buy the phone outright, so it is unlocked. This is the case in the US if you buy the phone outright, as well. This is in regards to getting a subsidized phone from a carrier.


False.

Source: I currently live in an EU country. You do not, I can tell because you z your s's.

Phones are sold outright yes, they are also available subsidised from carriers. Removing the SIM lock requires nothing more than a phone call, all carriers will unlock at the end users request; however some may charge for this service especially if it's still under contract.
 
2013-01-25 09:36:21 PM  

OgreMagi: traylor: vásárlás" (that last word means 'buying' in Hungarian, you know because I live in Hungary)

A simple rule of thumb about the Hungarian language. Why use one syllable when eight work just as well.

/was married to a Hungarian


Good. Here's an other rule: a word with eight syllables in Hungarian makes a six word sentence in English.
 
2013-01-25 09:44:43 PM  

traylor: OgreMagi: traylor: vásárlás" (that last word means 'buying' in Hungarian, you know because I live in Hungary)

A simple rule of thumb about the Hungarian language. Why use one syllable when eight work just as well.

/was married to a Hungarian

Good. Here's an other rule: a word with eight syllables in Hungarian makes a six word sentence in English.


I never could pronounce köszönöm. On the other hand, I had no problem with lófasz.
 
2013-01-25 09:45:03 PM  
You'll bend over and like it, Indentured Consumer ID:578421454-AH-5612354789!!
 
2013-01-25 09:45:06 PM  
How is this even enforceable?
 
2013-01-25 09:55:05 PM  

JesusJuice: How is this even enforceable?


well, if you're on sprint and want to go to AT&T I don't think the handsets are compatible

though i may well be talking out my ass
 
2013-01-25 09:57:33 PM  
In other news, looks like iOs 6 jailbreak may be only days or weeks away. This makes me happy
 
2013-01-25 10:02:16 PM  

Dokushin: This has nothing to do with jailbreaking or rooting. Jesus, no one reads anymore.

This concerns the process of unlocking your SIM lock, meaning you can use the phone on other networks. Rooting, flashing, and jailbreaking remains legal.


Your the one who didn't read. It specifically limits jail-breaking. They are targeting people abusing the system though for profit. But it could be slapped on someone if they are looking for someone breaking the law.

So, No. It's not legal.
 
2013-01-25 10:04:02 PM  

OceanVortex: In other news, looks like iOs 6 jailbreak may be only days or weeks away. This makes me happy


(and yes, I know this story does not relate to jail breaking. But apperently this thread has become about that)
 
2013-01-25 10:09:39 PM  

viscountalpha: Dokushin: This has nothing to do with jailbreaking or rooting. Jesus, no one reads anymore.

This concerns the process of unlocking your SIM lock, meaning you can use the phone on other networks. Rooting, flashing, and jailbreaking remains legal.

Your the one who didn't read. It specifically limits jail-breaking. They are targeting people abusing the system though for profit. But it could be slapped on someone if they are looking for someone breaking the law.

So, No. It's not legal.


Okay, we'll dance. Citation of gaining root access on iOS becoming illegal?
 
2013-01-25 10:25:34 PM  

Dokushin: viscountalpha: Dokushin: This has nothing to do with jailbreaking or rooting. Jesus, no one reads anymore.

This concerns the process of unlocking your SIM lock, meaning you can use the phone on other networks. Rooting, flashing, and jailbreaking remains legal.

Your the one who didn't read. It specifically limits jail-breaking. They are targeting people abusing the system though for profit. But it could be slapped on someone if they are looking for someone breaking the law.

So, No. It's not legal.

Okay, we'll dance. Citation of gaining root access on iOS becoming illegal?


I didn't say root-access? No I didn't. Did you go read the actual document? NO! you didn't or you could cite out why JAIL BREAKING is causing issues.

Since your a lazy moron and I have to point out what I'm referencing,

Link

ffs, GBOD.
 
2013-01-25 10:34:51 PM  

Weaver95: i'm so glad we let corporations write our laws...that was such a wonderful idea.


What did people think would happen when they decided that essentially unlimited government power was a good thing? It should have been clear that instead of just ignoring their job to defend people's rights those in the government would just start having their corporate friends create the laws outright.
 
2013-01-25 10:50:24 PM  
This is just another step for corporations in America® to own our asses.
It's time to ether get out or revolt.
I can't believe I fought for a country where a librarian can decide how I use my own property.

FTC
 
2013-01-25 10:52:06 PM  

viscountalpha: Dokushin: viscountalpha: Dokushin: This has nothing to do with jailbreaking or rooting. Jesus, no one reads anymore.

This concerns the process of unlocking your SIM lock, meaning you can use the phone on other networks. Rooting, flashing, and jailbreaking remains legal.

Your the one who didn't read. It specifically limits jail-breaking. They are targeting people abusing the system though for profit. But it could be slapped on someone if they are looking for someone breaking the law.

So, No. It's not legal.

Okay, we'll dance. Citation of gaining root access on iOS becoming illegal?

I didn't say root-access? No I didn't. Did you go read the actual document? NO! you didn't or you could cite out why JAIL BREAKING is causing issues.

Since your a lazy moron and I have to point out what I'm referencing,

Link

ffs, GBOD.


Do you know what "jailbreaking" means? Here, I'll help, since words are hard.

Wikipedia on Jailbreaking: Jailbreaking permits root access to the iOS operating system, allowing the download of additional applications, extensions, and themes that are unavailable through the official Apple App Store.

As I already said, this has nothing to do with the legislation in question, which targets acquisition of cellphones at subsidized prices and "unlocking" them (removing the SIM lock) so that they may be used on other networks (associated with companies that did not pay the subsidy).
 
2013-01-25 10:53:09 PM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: Or, you know, you could just get an Android device and not have to worry about jailbreaking...


Hardly.
 
2013-01-25 10:56:02 PM  

JesusJuice: How is this even enforceable?


It's not.

I don't see two of the three Unholy Trinity (Google and Microsoft) caring that much about this sort of thing. Hacking phones is a pretty big deal in both the Android and Windows Phone communities.
 
2013-01-25 11:06:50 PM  

traylor: /happily using one of these for calling people and receiving calls for the last 11 years
/oh and SMS stuff


Maybe we can get together and not watch the TV that I don't have.
 
2013-01-25 11:13:49 PM  

OgreMagi: I never could pronounce köszönöm. On the other hand, I had no problem with lófasz.


LOL. I see your ex-wife had taught you all the important words.
 
2013-01-25 11:15:45 PM  
A tad late to this thread, but:

1.  By what method could any phone carrier or law enforcement agency detect that a device is unlocked?

2.  How in the hell is this even enforceable? (regardless of #1)
 
2013-01-25 11:38:48 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: doyner: Weaver95: i'm so glad we let corporations write our laws...that was such a wonderful idea.

Corporations are people, my friend.

Cant we execute a few, just to prove that point?


I'm thinking some should have just been aborted.
 
2013-01-25 11:40:44 PM  
Meh.

/Nexus 4 + $30/mo no contract unlimited data/text & 100min talk
 
2013-01-25 11:40:53 PM  
This is what happens when you vote for Democrats or Republicans. They think that the interstate commerce clause gives them the authority to do almost anything.
 
2013-01-26 12:04:49 AM  

traylor: thamike: [news.cnet.com image 287x296]

I'm perfectly happy with my DumbPhone.

Me loves dumbphones myself too, bat that's not a dumbphone. THIS is a dumbphone.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 138x300]

/happily using one of these for calling people and receiving calls for the last 11 years
/oh and SMS stuff


My dumb(ish) phone:

www.phonesreview.co.uk

$15 and I put $20 or so on it every few months to keep it active.
 
2013-01-26 12:15:54 AM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Yeah, good luck with the shiatstorm of negative PR you'll get from suing paid customers.


Your optimism is adorable.
 
2013-01-26 12:33:11 AM  

OgreMagi: traylor: OgreMagi: traylor: vásárlás" (that last word means 'buying' in Hungarian, you know because I live in Hungary)

A simple rule of thumb about the Hungarian language. Why use one syllable when eight work just as well.

/was married to a Hungarian

Good. Here's an other rule: a word with eight syllables in Hungarian makes a six word sentence in English.

I never could pronounce köszönöm. On the other hand, I had no problem with lófasz.


Step 1: Go to Google Translate.
Step 2: Type in the word "cheese" several times. As a bonus, add "trees" in there a few times.
Step 3: Translate into Hungarian.
Step 4: Click listen.

fun for the whole family.
 
2013-01-26 12:46:15 AM  

dahmers love zombie: gingerjet: RoyFokker'sGhost: Or, you know, you could just get an Android device and not have to worry about jailbreaking...

Wait - Android device owners don't jailbreak their phones?  I thought it was the only way to make an Android phone usable?

Rooted mine about three hours after I got it.  Only way to install Wireless Tether without paying Sprint's outrageous fee for the service.  Also the only way to remove the NFL bloatware and all that other crapola.


actually, FoxFi will let you tether without rooting. works great. and on my phone, (Samsung galaxy S3) I was able to remove all the bloatware except Sprint zone. I do realize this is unusual. My wife is stuck with all kinds of crap on her phone.
 
2013-01-26 01:28:00 AM  
The only dumb thing here is the people that still have cell phone contracts.
 
2013-01-26 01:32:50 AM  

illannoyin: serial_crusher: Are you sure you meant DCMA subby, not CDMA?

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 380x297]

He meant run DMCA

Seriously though, I'm amazed anyone buys a phone or uses a post-paid contract plan from any of the major carriers anymore.


Like the network but don't like the company? Use an MVNO (mobile virtual network operator).


Buy an un-locked GSM phone from ebay and a SIM card from straight talk (AT&T's network). Or, buy a Verizon branded phone with a clear ESN and activate it on PagePlus (Verizon's network). Unlimited everything for $45-$55/Mo. no contract. Use the same network without all it's restrictions.


There are reasons to get a contract. Free roaming is one. LTE is another (at least until the pre-paids get LTE). Unthrottled, unlimited data is another. I'm considering renewing my SERO contract for $50/month unlimited LTE data and $400-$450 off the phone. I could get more minutes and non-LTE data (throttled after 2.5GB) for $45/month pre-paid, but I'd have to pay full price for the phone, and be limited to slightly older phones.
 
2013-01-26 02:12:02 AM  

Gordon Bennett: OgreMagi: traylor: OgreMagi: traylor: vásárlás" (that last word means 'buying' in Hungarian, you know because I live in Hungary)

A simple rule of thumb about the Hungarian language. Why use one syllable when eight work just as well.

/was married to a Hungarian

Good. Here's an other rule: a word with eight syllables in Hungarian makes a six word sentence in English.

I never could pronounce köszönöm. On the other hand, I had no problem with lófasz.

Step 1: Go to Google Translate.
Step 2: Type in the word "cheese" several times. As a bonus, add "trees" in there a few times.
Step 3: Translate into Hungarian.
Step 4: Click listen.

fun for the whole family.


My ex did not appreciate me giggling whenever she said cheese in her native Hungarian.
 
2013-01-26 02:37:02 AM  
ya, good luck with that.
 
2013-01-26 02:37:45 AM  
I'm glad I don't have these problems..I don't have a cell phone, much less a smart phone. Simplicity
is more important to me than being accessible or watching cat videos while I wait for my tacos.
 
2013-01-26 03:06:53 AM  

Dokushin: Rooting, flashing, and jailbreaking remains legal.


Flashing and streaking are still subject to local community standards.
 
2013-01-26 03:30:22 AM  

bhcompy: fusillade762: Weaver95: i'm so glad we let corporations write our laws...that was such a wonderful idea.

Ugh, no shiat. This BS is illegal in Europe, iirc.

In Europe you generally buy the phone outright, so it is unlocked. This is the case in the US if you buy the phone outright, as well. This is in regards to getting a subsidized phone from a carrier.


Never bought a phone in Europe, was ALWAYS given it free on contract (except in the early 90s). Almost everyone I know has the same.
 
2013-01-26 03:43:51 AM  
I'm not sure if it's because I've been drinking or because it's late, but I don't see the problem requiring a user to finish their contract or pay the cancellation fee before authorizing rooting a phone. As much as the major carriers piss me off, they DO have large capital costs that need to be covered and predictable revenue streams make for a more smooth business cycle.

If another Farker would care to explain what I'm missing, I'd appreciate it.

/Yes, they telecoms are assclowns, but they're a necessary degree of assclowns
 
2013-01-26 04:13:03 AM  

gaspode: bhcompy: fusillade762: Weaver95: i'm so glad we let corporations write our laws...that was such a wonderful idea.

Ugh, no shiat. This BS is illegal in Europe, iirc.

In Europe you generally buy the phone outright, so it is unlocked. This is the case in the US if you buy the phone outright, as well. This is in regards to getting a subsidized phone from a carrier.

Never bought a phone in Europe, was ALWAYS given it free on contract (except in the early 90s). Almost everyone I know has the same.


Okay, let me explain something to you.

Your phone was not free.

Cell phone carriers are not in the business of handing out free phones. They are in the business of providing a service, and if subsidizing a phone for you (i.e. paying the full price, sometimes more than $700) means you provide a long-term revenue stream for them, they're going to do it. So they buy the phone, and give it to you under a contract, stating that you're going to be with that company for X period of time (2-3 years usually). This is how they make money.

People wouldn't be able to use their service if they didn't have a phone; a $700 barrier to entry would stop most people.
 
2013-01-26 04:34:20 AM  

LavenderWolf:

In Europe you generally buy the phone outright, so it is unlocked. This is the case in the US if you buy the phone outright, as well. This is in regards to getting a subsidized phone from a carrier.

Never bought a phone in Europe, was ALWAYS given it free on contract (except in the early 90s). Almost everyone I know has the same.

Okay, let me explain something to you.

Your phone was not free.


Oh gods do you really think we don't know that? This is fark not first grade ffs.

Free at the point of delivery, contrary to suggestion from the poster I responded to that euro phones are paid up front. The fact it is paid for by the contract (several times over) is so farking obvious that only a buffoon would imagine it needed saying. It is also completely irrelevant to the point I was responding to, and your post is a spectacular waste of electrons.
 
2013-01-26 05:02:13 AM  

will_2679: There is a difference between being able to unlock the cell phone to use with a different carrier then jailbreaking or rooting your phone subtard.


Done in one
 
2013-01-26 06:12:15 AM  
It's not enforeceable at all -- they will use this law to go after websites with unlocking instructions and tools.
 
2013-01-26 06:52:09 AM  
When you keep electing lawyers to represent you, you get what you deserve.
 
2013-01-26 06:52:55 AM  

doyner: Ownership has always been a myth.


Its not a myth, Verizon owns you.
 
2013-01-26 06:57:07 AM  

Bisu: It'd be nice if they did that with their search engine.


Their news feed, too... at this point, all I can say is that I honestly believe Fox News is paying Google for placement.
 
2013-01-26 06:59:31 AM  

Weaver95: i'm so glad we let corporations write our laws...that was such a wonderful idea.


Lobbyists. The absolute worst scum of the earth,
And the politicians that accept their bribery? TRAITORS, every one of them.

Pigs to the trough...oh I take that back. It's an unfair insult TO PIGS!
 
2013-01-26 07:01:45 AM  
illegal != felony.
 
2013-01-26 07:01:49 AM  

puffy999: Bisu: It'd be nice if they did that with their search engine.

Their news feed, too... at this point, all I can say is that I honestly believe Fox News is paying Google for placement.


.
There are only four or so news organizations left in the U.S., WSJ, Fox, Al Jazeera, and Breitbart. The rest are just government propaganda outlets.
 
2013-01-26 07:04:20 AM  

david_gaithersburg: puffy999: Bisu: It'd be nice if they did that with their search engine.

Their news feed, too... at this point, all I can say is that I honestly believe Fox News is paying Google for placement.

.
There are only four or so news organizations left in the U.S., WSJ, Fox, Al Jazeera, and Breitbart. The rest are just government propaganda outlets.


Hell, I like you. I'd even let you come over and f*ck my sister.
 
2013-01-26 07:34:33 AM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: Weaver95: i'm so glad we let corporations write our laws...that was such a wonderful idea.

Lobbyists. The absolute worst scum of the earth,
And the politicians that accept their bribery? TRAITORS, every one of them.

Pigs to the trough...oh I take that back. It's an unfair insult TO PIGS!


i94.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-26 07:37:17 AM  

doyner: Ownership has always been a myth.


That's the modern business model: Leasing and "selling" imaginary things.
Can I sell you an opinion?

/Tracfone, ftw. It talks, it texts, bluetooth, music, wifi, surf the web & etc., all for 200 bucks a year.
 
2013-01-26 07:40:22 AM  

puffy999: david_gaithersburg: puffy999: Bisu: It'd be nice if they did that with their search engine.

Their news feed, too... at this point, all I can say is that I honestly believe Fox News is paying Google for placement.

.
There are only four or so news organizations left in the U.S., WSJ, Fox, Al Jazeera, and Breitbart. The rest are just government propaganda outlets.

Hell, I like you. I'd even let you come over and f*ck my sister.


He's not interested.
 
2013-01-26 07:43:46 AM  

alwaysjaded: There's no way to get rid of or at least block all that bloatware on my phone, is there. I would root but I just know I'll be in that small percent that bricks their phone. That crap is sucking way too much battery life.


There are lots of ways to do just that.

And rooting is incredibly easy to do.

If you can plug in a USB cable, you can root your phone.
 
2013-01-26 07:44:23 AM  
/Tracfone, ftw. It talks, it texts, bluetooth, music, wifi, surf the web & etc., all for 200 bucks a year.

As God is my witness, in a previous job with a place that sold phones, I've had more than one Tracfone customer try to exchange the phone because they couldn't get a dial tone. They were usually very very old.
 
2013-01-26 07:47:09 AM  

Trackball: The only dumb thing here is the people that still have cell phone contracts.


Dass.
 
2013-01-26 07:53:33 AM  

Matthew Keene: /Tracfone, ftw. It talks, it texts, bluetooth, music, wifi, surf the web & etc., all for 200 bucks a year.

As God is my witness, in a previous job with a place that sold phones, I've had more than one Tracfone customer try to exchange the phone because they couldn't get a dial tone. They were usually very very old.


I just let go of my vintage (circa 2004) Sprint flip phone and activated an LG840G. Got 1,465 minutes and 425 days of service -- plus the phone, which is a G3 -- all for $114. And it runs on the Verizon network. It isn't a smartphone, but it's clever enough to do everything I need and more.

/No more 130 bucks a month to those sprint bastarts.
 
2013-01-26 08:07:37 AM  

Dokushin: viscountalpha: Dokushin: viscountalpha: Dokushin: This has nothing to do with jailbreaking or rooting. Jesus, no one reads anymore.

This concerns the process of unlocking your SIM lock, meaning you can use the phone on other networks. Rooting, flashing, and jailbreaking remains legal.

Your the one who didn't read. It specifically limits jail-breaking. They are targeting people abusing the system though for profit. But it could be slapped on someone if they are looking for someone breaking the law.

So, No. It's not legal.

Okay, we'll dance. Citation of gaining root access on iOS becoming illegal?

I didn't say root-access? No I didn't. Did you go read the actual document? NO! you didn't or you could cite out why JAIL BREAKING is causing issues.

Since your a lazy moron and I have to point out what I'm referencing,

Link

ffs, GBOD.

Do you know what "jailbreaking" means? Here, I'll help, since words are hard.

Wikipedia on Jailbreaking: Jailbreaking permits root access to the iOS operating system, allowing the download of additional applications, extensions, and themes that are unavailable through the official Apple App Store.

As I already said, this has nothing to do with the legislation in question, which targets acquisition of cellphones at subsidized prices and "unlocking" them (removing the SIM lock) so that they may be used on other networks (associated with companies that did not pay the subsidy).


No!!! GET A BRAIN MORAN. GO USA!! 11!
 
2013-01-26 08:23:12 AM  

Supes: Bisu: They're not really "subsidized" in the way most people think of the word, either. You're paying $40-50 more a month for 24 months vs the same carrier's prepaid plan. It's more of a "payment plan with obscene interest rates" than a subsidy, since you end up paying around a thousand dollars more for the phone.

The weirdest thing is some providers that provide 2-year contracts for bring-your-own-device plans. I always wonder who falls for that... it's the worst of both worlds.


I do.

Galaxy S3: €460
90 minutes/sms + 500MB (what I need): €10.50 / month
Total for 2 years: €712

Cheapest subscription with "free" galaxy S3 (300 min/sms 1GB): €45 (first 9 months half price)
Total for 2 years: €877.50

Yup, I feel like I'm getting swindled here.

/YMMV based on geographical location
 
2013-01-26 08:35:17 AM  
Misleading headline. starting today it becomes illegal to jailbreak a newly bought cell phone that is under contract. any phone bought before today is still free game.
 
2013-01-26 08:46:29 AM  

thamike: [news.cnet.com image 287x296]

I'm perfectly happy with my DumbPhone.


s8.postimage.org

Still going on three years after taking numerous beatings (two years with Verizon, the rest with Page Plus).
 
2013-01-26 08:54:36 AM  
WTF? How did we get some office that non-legislatively decides on its own that something is legal now then illegal a week from now?
 
2013-01-26 08:54:44 AM  

Darth_Lukecash: doyner: Weaver95: i'm so glad we let corporations write our laws...that was such a wonderful idea.

Corporations are people, my friend.

Cant we execute a few, just to prove that point?


i.stack.imgur.com
 
2013-01-26 08:57:52 AM  

doyner: Weaver95: i'm so glad we let corporations write our laws...that was such a wonderful idea.

Corporations are people, my friend.


So are thieves.
 
2013-01-26 08:59:31 AM  
I went to pay-as-you-go, as well. Had this one for a couple of years.

dl.dropbox.com

LG800g Resistive touchscreen, camera, SMS, voicemail, really basic Internet.
120 minutes will last me a couple of months and only costs me $20. You can add minutes either through a phone card, online, or buy directly through the phone if you've setup an online account. The minutes and service time carry over to the next month.
 
2013-01-26 08:59:47 AM  
This is bull.

I used to have a motorola bag phone that could be unlocked to listen to cell phone conversations, and although the actual listening may have been illegal the unlocking was perfectly legal. The only reason this is out there is because people were getting arounf bullshiat telcom monopolies. WHY THE fark IS OUR GOVERNMENT PASSING LAWS TO ENFORCE A MONOPOLY WHEN TRUST ARE ILLEGAL!?!

It also proves I was right about the DMCA in that it was purposfully written so vague. People were saying "god this could make reprograming your phone illegal." to which they would hear "Aw that's silly, why would they use it like that?" It will be used and interpited whenever such hacking impedes someone making a buck. In this case they can't say it's illegal to take YOUR PHONE to another carrier and get service with them, so instead they say it's illegal to unlock said phone to be used with third party service.

*sigh*
Hypnozombie
 
2013-01-26 09:01:43 AM  
DCMA -- Don't Call Me Anymore.
 
2013-01-26 09:01:50 AM  

traylor: OgreMagi: I never could pronounce köszönöm. On the other hand, I had no problem with lófasz.

LOL. I see your ex-wife had taught you all the important words.


hmm

/google
//Fry eyesquint at both OgreMagi and traylor
 
2013-01-26 09:06:05 AM  
o_O

Was this thread bumped? It says "posted to Main » on 26 Jan 2013 at 6:43 AM" but it was up yesterday evening (first non-TF post 2013-01-25 06:47:14 PM).
 
2013-01-26 09:06:51 AM  

cman: Weaver95: i'm so glad we let corporations write our laws...that was such a wonderful idea.

I doubt the Librarian of Congress has a lobbyist


http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/agencysum.php?id=007

The more you know.
 
2013-01-26 09:10:04 AM  

ajgeek: MrEricSir: Or you could buy a phone that's already unlocked at avoid any of this.

I'm not sure I can justify $500 for a PHONE when I can buy a laptop for nearly the same price and have a lot more functionality.


Then buy a cheaper phone
 
2013-01-26 09:10:32 AM  

Vaneshi: Removing the SIM lock requires nothing more than a phone call


In France, the phone call would lead you in circles and you would get nowhere. But this is standard for CS in France, where the customer is never right and is just an annoyance in general.

But that was five years ago. Now you can unlock it online. I unlocked my iPhone online. No hassle as I was out of contract. I think you can do it after 3 months if you are still in a contract.
 
2013-01-26 09:21:25 AM  

DerAppie: Supes: Bisu: They're not really "subsidized" in the way most people think of the word, either. You're paying $40-50 more a month for 24 months vs the same carrier's prepaid plan. It's more of a "payment plan with obscene interest rates" than a subsidy, since you end up paying around a thousand dollars more for the phone.

The weirdest thing is some providers that provide 2-year contracts for bring-your-own-device plans. I always wonder who falls for that... it's the worst of both worlds.

I do.

Galaxy S3: €460
90 minutes/sms + 500MB (what I need): €10.50 / month
Total for 2 years: €712

Cheapest subscription with "free" galaxy S3 (300 min/sms 1GB): €45 (first 9 months half price)
Total for 2 years: €877.50

Yup, I feel like I'm getting swindled here.

/YMMV based on geographical location


Similar in the UK: Best unlimited internet plan is GBP 12/month with Giffgaff (288 over 2 years). Galaxy S3 retails at around 375 sim free. Total cost
3 Mobile's 2 year contract on the S3 with unlimited internet is 30/month = 720 over two years. Plus you're tied to their network.
 
2013-01-26 09:23:03 AM  
More dinkyphone fail. And all for a screen the size of a recipe card.
 
2013-01-26 09:31:16 AM  

Slaxl: traylor: thamike: [news.cnet.com image 287x296]

I'm perfectly happy with my DumbPhone.

Me loves dumbphones myself too, bat that's not a dumbphone. THIS is a dumbphone.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 138x300]

/happily using one of these for calling people and receiving calls for the last 11 years
/oh and SMS stuff

I see you're played dumbphoney, slightly dumberphoney before.


edudemic.com

Gordon always wins.
 
2013-01-26 09:36:58 AM  
Wow. So not a single piece of information in subby's headline was accurate. Well, except for the link to BGR.

Subby clearly doesn't understand the difference between unlocking your under-contract phone to switch to a different carrier and jailbreaking your under-contract phone to gain access to functionality normally denied to users.

Subby also clearly doesn't understand the difference between "it becomes illegal next week" and "you have one week before it becomes illegal"

Come on, subby. You can do better. We're all rooting for ya.
 
2013-01-26 09:44:46 AM  

strife: thamike: [news.cnet.com image 287x296]

I'm perfectly happy with my DumbPhone.

[s8.postimage.org image 234x317]

Still going on three years after taking numerous beatings (two years with Verizon, the rest with Page Plus).


+1. My mom had her iPhone 4 stolen at work a few days ago, so I went to the Verizon store with her to get a five. The salescritter tried to pressure me into a free 4. No thanks. I'll keep my old, kind of nifty feature phone.
/although I do have to re-glue the metal bit that hold the keypad in place. It's peeling off.
 
2013-01-26 09:45:06 AM  
Today is next week. Welcome to the future.
 
2013-01-26 09:45:39 AM  

ProfessorOhki: Seriously though, that $200-300 price break on the phone isn't free; it's just added int your $1600/2yr contract. They're not discounted, they're subsidized.


That's not my problem. I pay $500 to own a phone. I go to a carrier that supports that phone. I pay the exact same price as someone who shelled out the extra $200 for the subsidized. I was required to sign a contract. In Maine I only have two options, U.S. Cellular and Verizon. Both of them effectively told me to take my phone and shove it up my ass.

So what's the point? I can own a phone, but can't get cheaper service, or I can buy one of theirs and voluntarily place my balls in their bench vise for two years. And prepaid plans are more expensive than contract!

Bisu: They're not really "subsidized" in the way most people think of the word, either. You're paying $40-50 more a month for 24 months vs the same carrier's prepaid plan. It's more of a "payment plan with obscene interest rates" than a subsidy, since you end up paying around a thousand dollars more for the phone.


But the companies charge the same or more for a BYOP plan. I admit my information may be dated here, as I've been using Straight Talk for about 2 years.
 
2013-01-26 09:47:07 AM  
I really need to root my HTC Evo Shift. It's got so little RAM that I ran out of room installing apps, yet I can't get rid of Sprint NASCAR and the like.
 
2013-01-26 09:47:33 AM  

LavenderWolf: Cell phone carriers are not in the business of handing out free phones. They are in the business of providing a service, and if subsidizing a phone for you (i.e. paying the full price, sometimes more than $700) means you provide a long-term revenue stream for them, they're going to do it. So they buy the phone, and give it to you under a contract, stating that you're going to be with that company for X period of time (2-3 years usually). This is how they make money.

People wouldn't be able to use their service if they didn't have a phone; a $700 barrier to entry would stop most people.


Fine, but the point of unlocking, as mentioned above, is to be able to travel.

If someone has Verizon and goes to Europe, Verizon does not exist there. So you pay out the ass to make your phone "work" (for Verizon to put you on the local carrier). It would be much easier to pick up a SIM card for nearly nothing with the local carrier and put a few Euros on there for the time spent there. So what, Verizon is claiming it's their phone because they subsidized it for you? Most people already signed a 2 year contract with them, and this is maybe one week from that. Verizon still gets their monthly bill, you're just trying to avoid giving them unnecessary additional money for a week.
 
2013-01-26 09:49:07 AM  

gingerjet: RoyFokker'sGhost: Or, you know, you could just get an Android device and not have to worry about jailbreaking...

Wait - Android device owners don't jailbreak their phones?  I thought it was the only way to make an Android phone usable?


Jailbreaking is a procedure for breaking your iPhone out of Apple's walled garden. Since Android phones are not iPhones, it is impossible to jailbreak them. You can root an Android phone, but you don't have to. It's called "rooting" because Android is based on Linux, and you are finding a way to gain access to the root account on your phone. Most decent Android devices are useable right out of the box. If they aren't, rooting isn't going to do much. I've rooted every Android phone I've ever had. It used to be so that I could get software updates on my obsolete phone, but I got addicted to the ad blocking software and my phone being in a bloat-free state. Plus, I use Wireless Tether quite a bit.
 
2013-01-26 09:51:40 AM  
Anyone mention that "jailbreaking" is a specific way to root an iPhone, and "rooting" is what you do to an android device. "unlocking" is what the article is talking about, which can be done with rooting your android, and has nothing to do with anything other than using your phone on a different network, say when traveling abroad.

/rooted
//unlocked
///for no reason, really
 
2013-01-26 09:51:55 AM  

LavenderWolf: People wouldn't be able to use their service if they didn't have a phone; a $700 barrier to entry would stop most people.


More like, people wouldn't be able to have a nice, $700 phone every year.

Their service is to provide the infrastructure. You can use a road in your Ferrari or your Ford Probe, and you can use the mobile network with a $25 phone or a $700 phone. There are no barriers to entry, just people wanting shiny new toys.
 
2013-01-26 09:53:18 AM  
meant to say "with or without rooting your android". I'm not sure about iPhones, however.
 
2013-01-26 09:54:57 AM  

twat_waffle: gingerjet: RoyFokker'sGhost: Or, you know, you could just get an Android device and not have to worry about jailbreaking...

Wait - Android device owners don't jailbreak their phones?  I thought it was the only way to make an Android phone usable?

Jailbreaking is a procedure for breaking your iPhone out of Apple's walled garden. Since Android phones are not iPhones, it is impossible to jailbreak them. You can root an Android phone, but you don't have to. It's called "rooting" because Android is based on Linux, and you are finding a way to gain access to the root account on your phone. Most decent Android devices are useable right out of the box. If they aren't, rooting isn't going to do much. I've rooted every Android phone I've ever had. It used to be so that I could get software updates on my obsolete phone, but I got addicted to the ad blocking software and my phone being in a bloat-free state. Plus, I use Wireless Tether quite a bit.


Tiny fist, etc...
 
2013-01-26 10:04:56 AM  

bhcompy: In Europe you generally buy the phone outright, so it is unlocked.


This is utterly wrong.
 
2013-01-26 10:23:22 AM  

doyner: Weaver95: i'm so glad we let corporations write our laws...that was such a wonderful idea.

Corporations are people, my friend.


I recently incorporated my full name. I AM a corporation, literally. It feels a lot like Tony Stark, putting on the suit. When I add the fact that I have 2 LLCs, a Sole prop, and my actual humanoid identity, I'm able to allocate any and all assets as I see most legally (and financially) beneficial.

IF YOU CANT BEAT THEM, JOIN THEM.

 
2013-01-26 10:35:45 AM  
so let me get this straight....you go to a store. you buy their phone. you get their service. you discover you don't like their service. you disconnect service. you now have knock off ipod. you cannot take your property and hook it up to someone else's network that is better. you may not alter the device that YOU own in any way that might benefit you. IF you do, we will have your government, that you elected throw you in jail. Is that about the sum of it?

Someone point me in the direction of the idiot(s) that hatched THAT little nugget...be right there. just gotta grab my brass knuckles, hairspray and lighter

/Founding Fathers see tyranny from within while they roll in their graves today.
 
2013-01-26 10:42:45 AM  

The Envoy: bhcompy: In Europe you generally buy the phone outright, so it is unlocked.

This is utterly wrong.

What is wrong is saying "Europe", as in Europe being one big homogeneous entity when it comes to laws/practices regarding cell phones
 
2013-01-26 10:44:29 AM  

ProfessorOhki: will_2679: There is a difference between being able to unlock the cell phone to use with a different carrier then jailbreaking or rooting your phone subtard.

Repeating because apparently some people missed the top post in the thread.

BlackArt: So how will they know *when* we unlock our phones? (Mine are all unlocked now. OS replaced as well.)

It probably allows them to start going after sites who post directions on how to unlock and make available any tool used to do so.


Poor HoFo.

I feel safer.
 
2013-01-26 11:07:40 AM  

david_gaithersburg: When you keep electing lawyers to represent you, you get what you deserve.


This. the amount of reverence afforded those in the law profession going into politics, and the expectation and near-requirement of politicians having a background in law is amusing. You elect people who feel they arent contributing to society unless they spend every waking moment writing legislation to take yet more freedom away from the populace, and to ensure their 'legacy', and the world we live in is what you get.

Law doesn't prevent mischief, it simply punishes the one who have already done the deed. We need more scientists, engineers in politics, not near-useless ancient ideas still clinging onto modern humanity to stay relevant.
 
2013-01-26 11:13:22 AM  

MrEricSir: Or you could buy a phone that's already unlocked at avoid any of this.


THIS....

I never regretted getting my phone, which the company that built it are completely ok with the "jailbreaking" to install other software that aren't in their catalog, and have showed that they couldn't care less if you try to modify the OS.

Fun fact is that I paid about 200$ for my phone about 2 years ago, but now, you can get it for less than a hundred.

I'm talking about the Pre2 of course... funny thing, this phone still hold it's own against new phones. Only the anal retentive that require 100 versions of the same apps on the other system will fail to see or understand this.
 
2013-01-26 11:23:35 AM  

ajgeek: Bisu: They're not really "subsidized" in the way most people think of the word, either. You're paying $40-50 more a month for 24 months vs the same carrier's prepaid plan. It's more of a "payment plan with obscene interest rates" than a subsidy, since you end up paying around a thousand dollars more for the phone.

But the companies charge the same or more for a BYOP plan. I admit my information may be dated here, as I've been using Straight Talk for about 2 years.


Straight Talk has a BYOD plan for GSM phones. I'm using my AT&T iPhone with Straight Talk's SIM (which uses AT&T's network) and other than the price, no bill and no contract, there is no difference between my phone and a post-paid AT&T phone.
 
2013-01-26 11:28:51 AM  

MrEricSir: ajgeek: MrEricSir: Or you could buy a phone that's already unlocked at avoid any of this.

I'm not sure I can justify $500 for a PHONE when I can buy a laptop for nearly the same price and have a lot more functionality.

Good luck web browsing while walking down the street, taking photos, and making calls with your laptop.


This...WTF is wrong with people who can't just WALK DOWN THE STREET without playing with some BS toy? Don't tell me it's "multi-tasking" because every one of these conversations is along the lines of "what ya doin'?" "Ummm, nuttin', you"? It's almost as if some people were afraid to be alone, or they have to constantly justify their existence by making noise.

Herd instinct?
 
2013-01-26 11:32:22 AM  

Turbo Cojones: have to constantly justify their existence by making noise


hehehe yea possibly

// what was the point of your post ?
/ or any post including this one
 
2013-01-26 11:34:20 AM  

TiiiMMMaHHH: I AM a corporation, literally


hehehe no, you created a second entity that now has your a similar identity and secondary tax obligations

// date of birth match ?
 
2013-01-26 11:40:00 AM  
The law is specifically that you cannot bypass security encryption on a device.

If your phone has an unlocked bootloader (Some android phones) then rooting is still perfectly legal.

If your phone has a locked bootloader that must be bypassed to root, then it will be considered illegal to root that device.

Apple fans are bared from jailbreaking their devices, as doing so requires you bypass Apple's security.

Unlocking the SIM to use your phone on another network will also be illegal, as it requires you to circumvent the carrier's security lock on the SIM.
 
2013-01-26 11:42:57 AM  

Gordon Bennett: Step 1: Go to Google Translate.
Step 2: Type in the word "cheese" several times. As a bonus, add "trees" in there a few times.
Step 3: Translate into Hungarian.
Step 4: Click listen.

fun for the whole family.


We single guys prefer Csilla Szabó, who teaches how to say love stuff in Hungarian and we can pretend it's us.
 
2013-01-26 11:44:25 AM  

ajgeek: MrEricSir: Or you could buy a phone that's already unlocked at avoid any of this.

I'm not sure I can justify $500 for a PHONE when I can buy a laptop for nearly the same price and have a lot more functionality.


You must be really, really fat to be able to put a laptop in your pants pocket. That or you fail to understand that having many applications, or pared down versions to do basic tasks, on a very small, very mobile form is beneficial to many people.

For myself, and many of the people I support, the smartphone is not a PC replacement. It is a devices that lets them view documents, take pictures, use email, enter data into corporate systems via specialized apps, direct them to a client location, take credit card payments, deposit checks without going to the bank, do scheduling and lots of other stuff. For a device that fits in your pocket or purse. I don't see them replacing PCs, but in some respects, they have more capabilities than a laptop in the same price range.

Of course you won't do a 3D fly thru of 5TB of laser scan data on a phone for quite some time either. Its almost like each device has a purpose and a person should buy the tool that best fits their job.

ajgeek: That's not my problem. I pay $500 to own a phone. I go to a carrier that supports that phone. I pay the exact same price as someone who shelled out the extra $200 for the subsidized. I was required to sign a contract. In Maine I only have two options, U.S. Cellular and Verizon. Both of them effectively told me to take my phone and shove it up my ass.


If you have Verizon available, use an MVNO that runs on VZW and lets you BYOD. PagePlus has a $55/month 'unlimited' plan for smart phones. That should be pretty comparable to a VZW contract plan.

http://www.pagepluscellular.com/

http://www.prepaidmvno.com/2011/09/10/us-mvno-providers-that-use-veri z ons-network/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_mobile_virtual_net w ork_operators
 
2013-01-26 11:44:33 AM  
WTF... a felony? is that a troll? that cant be right....

so now tweaking a phone could land me in jail and result in the loss of my guns and the right to vote?
 
2013-01-26 11:48:05 AM  
Beating someone within an inch of their lives with an iron pipe is a felony, and said felon is worthy of incarceration and isolation from society.

"Jailbreaking" a phone?

Oh fark no!

Sure, maybe a fine. Got it. But INCARCERATION as a FELON?!?

I guess the "gun nuts" aren't too farking crazy after all.
 
2013-01-26 11:59:27 AM  

Maul555: WTF... a felony? is that a troll? that cant be right....

so now tweaking a phone could land me in jail and result in the loss of my guns and the right to vote?


The law (DMCA) was originally written by the MPAA and RIAA lobbyists and their stooges. Hence the 'felony'. My memory may be shakey, but I believe Sony was one of the first device manufacturers to actually use this in court to go after people cracking the protection schemes on a hardware device.

The DMCA is one of the worst injustices ever put on modern technology.
 
2013-01-26 11:59:45 AM  
In other news, downloading movies off the interwebs may also be illegal.....
 
2013-01-26 12:03:47 PM  

pxlboy: MrEricSir: ajgeek: MrEricSir: Or you could buy a phone that's already unlocked at avoid any of this.

I'm not sure I can justify $500 for a PHONE when I can buy a laptop for nearly the same price and have a lot more functionality.

Good luck web browsing while walking down the street, taking photos, and making calls with your laptop.

A friend of mine has the Galaxy Note II and jokingly refers to it as his laptop because of its size.


You joke, but I love my Galaxy Note II. Best tablet I've ever owned.
 
2013-01-26 12:07:18 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: doyner: Weaver95: i'm so glad we let corporations write our laws...that was such a wonderful idea.

Corporations are people, my friend.

Cant we execute a few, just to prove that point?


It's called Chapter 7 of the bankruptcy code. Happens all the time. What gets corporations executed and what gets humans (note, I did not say people) executed are quite different. But it does happen. It's rather macabre too - the pieces of the now dead corporation are dismembered and sold at auction. Imagine doing that for an execution. Right before the lethal injection there's an auction:

Got one fine functioning heart here... starting at 50k 50k 50k to the anxious father in blue do I hear 60k 60k to the geezer in green 70k back to the father in blue 75k geezer in green woah! 200k to the guy in black do I hear 225k? 225k? anyone? 200k going once, twice... Sold! to the guy in the black turtleneck and jeans.

After the parts are all auctioned (Sorry dude, your brain is worthless, you've been on drugs too long) the injection goes in and then the saws and knives get pulled out.

So no, we don't treat corporations the same, and honestly, I hope we never get treated like that.
 
2013-01-26 12:13:58 PM  

Weaver95: i'm so glad we let corporations write our laws...that was such a wonderful idea.


Socialisms!!!!!
 
2013-01-26 12:14:26 PM  

MadHatter500: So no, we don't treat corporations the same, and honestly, I hope we never get treated like that.


Except we dont do that anymore... now we just give them a bunch of free money & send them on their way.
 
2013-01-26 12:36:22 PM  
I'm so glad I didn't understand any of that. I'll pay $100 for a farking telephone when they invent one that shiats $100 bills.
 
2013-01-26 12:50:05 PM  
How does this even make any sense? If you unlock while you're still under contract, don't you still have to pay the rest of the contract? Congratulations on unlocking; you still have to pay for another 21 months...  Is there an epidemic of people getting a cheap phone and canceling their contract?  And then somehow not paying the cancellation fee?
 
2013-01-26 12:59:29 PM  
How will they know if you jailbreak it next month?
 
2013-01-26 01:16:00 PM  

MrEricSir: ajgeek: MrEricSir: Or you could buy a phone that's already unlocked at avoid any of this.

I'm not sure I can justify $500 for a PHONE when I can buy a laptop for nearly the same price and have a lot more functionality.

Good luck web browsing while walking down the street, taking photos, and making calls with your laptop.


yeh. because EVERYONE uses their PHONE exactly like YOU.
Its a PHONE. just because it has a shiatty camera and can browse the intertubes on a 3" screen doesnt mean it has to be used as such exclusively.
 
2013-01-26 01:18:40 PM  

Slartibartfaster: TiiiMMMaHHH: I AM a corporation, literally

hehehe no, you created a second entity that now has your a similar identity and secondary tax obligations

// date of birth match ?


by filing form 8832 to regard myself as a seperate entity, i have enabled myself to file 1120s for the corp, and a simple 1040 for myself. Big picture, i've got many more angles depending on my circumstances than a mere citizen. All for less than $200. Worth it in my book.
 
2013-01-26 01:48:22 PM  

RanDomino: How does this even make any sense? If you unlock while you're still under contract, don't you still have to pay the rest of the contract? Congratulations on unlocking; you still have to pay for another 21 months...  Is there an epidemic of people getting a cheap phone and canceling their contract?  And then somehow not paying the cancellation fee?


Actually a lot of people game the system.  They buy an iphone, lose it, do an insurance claim then they sell both the phones to someone on ebay out of teh country.

So let me break it down.

199 for iphone 5
199 for insurance replacment
325 for canceling contract.
723 dollars total

Then they go sell the phones for 750 a piece. so they have about an 800 dollar profit.

I know guy who did this with six phones, canceled the account and walked with 2k, all in a days work.
 
2013-01-26 01:48:54 PM  
Tonight there's going to be trouble.
 
2013-01-26 01:58:05 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: doyner: Weaver95: i'm so glad we let corporations write our laws...that was such a wonderful idea.

Corporations are people, my friend.

Cant we execute a few, just to prove that point?


Can we start with Apple?
 
2013-01-26 02:11:58 PM  

GranoblasticMan: pxlboy: MrEricSir: ajgeek: MrEricSir: Or you could buy a phone that's already unlocked at avoid any of this.

I'm not sure I can justify $500 for a PHONE when I can buy a laptop for nearly the same price and have a lot more functionality.

Good luck web browsing while walking down the street, taking photos, and making calls with your laptop.

A friend of mine has the Galaxy Note II and jokingly refers to it as his laptop because of its size.

You joke, but I love my Galaxy Note II. Best tablet I've ever owned.


I just got a Galaxy S3 from work. In its holster I feel like I have a serving tray strapped to my hip.
 
kab
2013-01-26 02:20:32 PM  
Hmm. Do I own said product?

Can I hold said product in my hands? Yes? I'll do as I like with it then. Good luck enforcing this particular 'law'.
 
2013-01-26 03:15:56 PM  

viscountalpha: Dokushin: viscountalpha: Dokushin: This has nothing to do with jailbreaking or rooting. Jesus, no one reads anymore.

This concerns the process of unlocking your SIM lock, meaning you can use the phone on other networks. Rooting, flashing, and jailbreaking remains legal.

Your the one who didn't read. It specifically limits jail-breaking. They are targeting people abusing the system though for profit. But it could be slapped on someone if they are looking for someone breaking the law.

So, No. It's not legal.

Okay, we'll dance. Citation of gaining root access on iOS becoming illegal?

I didn't say root-access? No I didn't. Did you go read the actual document? NO! you didn't or you could cite out why JAIL BREAKING is causing issues.

Since your a lazy moron and I have to point out what I'm referencing,

Link

ffs, GBOD.


What's funny about that is the US wireless carriers' argument was: "Here's out shiatty business model that has no considerations for multi jurisdictions or international trade, people are taking advantage of it, therefore the people taking advantage of it should be outlaws".

Or... Or... Fix your shiatty business model. Just a thought.

Also, how does the Librarian of Congress have the power to revise law without due process? "Well, just gonna cross out this here amendment to the Constitution that's really been putting on a damper on our attempts at making everyone slaves".
 
2013-01-26 03:17:29 PM  

waterrockets: Meh.

/Nexus 4 + $30/mo no contract unlimited data/text & 100min talk


This may be my next phone. I was playing with my nephew's Nexus 4 the other day and it's awesome. He pays the same as you.
 
2013-01-26 04:55:30 PM  
Just got the Samsung Galaxy Note II. Haven't rooted it yet. I rooted my old EVO and loved it though. I might root the Galaxy, but so far it's running great, great battery and not too much bloat.
 
2013-01-26 05:09:47 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: doyner: Weaver95: i'm so glad we let corporations write our laws...that was such a wonderful idea.

Corporations are people, my friend.

Cant we execute a few, just to prove that they are machines?


FTFY
 
2013-01-26 05:24:39 PM  

Su-Su-Sudo: Anyone mention that "jailbreaking" is a specific way to root an iPhone, and "rooting" is what you do to an android device. "unlocking" is what the article is talking about, which can be done with rooting your android, and has nothing to do with anything other than using your phone on a different network, say when traveling abroad.

/rooted
//unlocked
///for no reason, really


WRONG

Jailbreaking means to leave a walled garden (meaning you are locked into one vendor for apps/music/etc)

Root means you have root access on a *Nix system

Unlocked means the phone is no longer locked to a single carrier and you can use either a sim card (GSM) or reprogram it (CDMA) to use on another system

To jailbreak an Android you just hit the option of trust outside sources and you are free from the garden

With iPhone to jailbreak you have to root
 
2013-01-26 07:12:43 PM  
I have a dumb phone now and have to replace it. I have some cash for an up front purchase and need the per/month to be low. I just need voice calls around 100 min and texting. Web is optional but I want the phone to be able to hook up and find free WIFI when available for the web.

Suggestions...?
 
2013-01-26 08:07:28 PM  

Thrakkorzog: I have a dumb phone now and have to replace it. I have some cash for an up front purchase and need the per/month to be low. I just need voice calls around 100 min and texting. Web is optional but I want the phone to be able to hook up and find free WIFI when available for the web.

Suggestions...?


Nexus 4...$30/mo for unlimited text and data, plus 100 minutes talk per month. Fantastic phone with largish screen. $300 for the phone.
 
2013-01-26 08:33:07 PM  

Stone Meadow: Thrakkorzog: I have a dumb phone now and have to replace it. I have some cash for an up front purchase and need the per/month to be low. I just need voice calls around 100 min and texting. Web is optional but I want the phone to be able to hook up and find free WIFI when available for the web.

Suggestions...?

Nexus 4...$30/mo for unlimited text and data, plus 100 minutes talk per month. Fantastic phone with largish screen. $300 for the phone.


thanks - I'll check it out.
 
2013-01-26 08:52:52 PM  

kab: Hmm. Do I own said product?

Can I hold said product in my hands? Yes? I'll do as I like with it then. Good luck enforcing this particular 'law'.


I think it will only take a few more Aaron Swartzes and Kim Dotcoms to change your mind.

/if not, good luck fending off SWAT teams with only your "product" to protect you
//no, your friends won't help you, they'll probably be the first to attack you after the media declares you a pedophile/racist/sexist/Republican/whatever
 
2013-01-26 09:14:27 PM  

zedster: Su-Su-Sudo: Anyone mention that "jailbreaking" is a specific way to root an iPhone, and "rooting" is what you do to an android device. "unlocking" is what the article is talking about, which can be done with rooting your android, and has nothing to do with anything other than using your phone on a different network, say when traveling abroad.

/rooted
//unlocked
///for no reason, really

WRONG

Jailbreaking means to leave a walled garden (meaning you are locked into one vendor for apps/music/etc)

Root means you have root access on a *Nix system

Unlocked means the phone is no longer locked to a single carrier and you can use either a sim card (GSM) or reprogram it (CDMA) to use on another system

To jailbreak an Android you just hit the option of trust outside sources and you are free from the garden

With iPhone to jailbreak you have to root


Android doesn't have a walled garden. Its garden is fenced in with a gate. Because of that, it is impossible to jailbreak an Android phone. Since there is no walled garden to break out of, and since the only thing you are doing is gaining root access, the procedure for an Android device is called "rooting." Because there is no functional difference between jailbreaking and obtaining root level access to an iPhone, the procedure for an iPhone is called jailbreaking.

I seriously hate it when people use "jailbreak" to mean root. It is not the same thing. People who use those words interchangeably are just proudly putting their ignorance on display for the rest of us to point and laugh at, or be irritated by.
 
2013-01-26 09:20:41 PM  
I'll take another stab and say that so much of this seems like self induced crisis..If all of these
problems are out there.You might want to ask yourself, "Do I really need this stupid thing?",
"Is all of this hassle and time and money put into this stupid device really worth it?"
 
2013-01-26 11:32:12 PM  

Mr. Shabooboo: I'll take another stab and say that so much of this seems like self induced crisis..If all of these
problems are out there.You might want to ask yourself, "Do I really need this stupid thing?",
"Is all of this hassle and time and money put into this stupid device really worth it?"


It's a passion for some people. It never makes sense to people who don't appreciate it.
 
2013-01-27 12:41:58 AM  
Protection schemes can be broken for the purposes of maintenance. It's right in the DMCA.
 
2013-01-27 02:00:29 AM  
The flip of this is that the software the companies put ON the phones interferes with their functionality and thus violate FCC.
 
2013-01-27 03:11:44 AM  

prjindigo: The flip of this is that the software the companies put ON the phones interferes with their functionality and thus violate FCC.


I can't farking stand auto racing, but can't uninstall Sprint's NASCAR app. Meanwhile I'm out of space on the device and can't even update any of my others.
 
2013-01-27 03:20:04 AM  

chewd: MadHatter500: So no, we don't treat corporations the same, and honestly, I hope we never get treated like that.

Except we dont do that anymore... now we just give them a bunch of free money & send them on their way.


Also the corporation voluntarily goes into chapter 7 at the behest of its owners, implying slavery and possibly cannibalism.

But I believe the point was that corporations are not people, and shouldn't be getting all the privileges of people.
 
2013-01-27 03:27:28 AM  

TheBigJerk: chewd: MadHatter500: So no, we don't treat corporations the same, and honestly, I hope we never get treated like that.

Except we dont do that anymore... now we just give them a bunch of free money & send them on their way.

Also the corporation voluntarily goes into chapter 7 at the behest of its owners, implying slavery and possibly cannibalism.

But I believe the point was that corporations are not people, and shouldn't be getting all the privileges of people.


At the very least when a corporation breaks laws, it should be punished like a person would. Not a fine that amounts to little more than a business tax. The heads of the organization should do jail time.
 
2013-01-27 04:33:42 AM  
SUBTARD
 
2013-01-27 09:05:30 AM  

traylor: thamike: [news.cnet.com image 287x296]

I'm perfectly happy with my DumbPhone.

Me loves dumbphones myself too, bat that's not a dumbphone. THIS is a dumbphone.

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/happily using one of these for calling people and receiving calls for the last 11 years
/oh and SMS stuff


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Here I am with something I found in my parents-in-law's grandkid toybox...My FIL's 1995ish cell phone, no longer in use, that the kids play with.
 
2013-01-27 09:35:52 AM  

Ow My Balls: Here I am with something I found in my parents-in-law's grandkid toybox...My FIL's 1995ish cell phone, no longer in use, that the kids play with.


As long as they don't taunt it, the kids should be fine.
 
2013-01-27 10:10:38 AM  

Ow My Balls: Here I am with something I found in my parents-in-law's grandkid toybox...My FIL's 1995ish cell phone, no longer in use, that the kids play with.


Nice! Here's a file photo of my wife's still-in-use 2001 Motorola 120e. I wonder if it's the oldest cell phone in use among Farkers reading this thread?

She has refused to update, saying it works fine, which it does. When my 2005ish Razr died last year and I bought a smart phone she was unimpressed at first, but has warmed to it and is willing to get an updated phone now. I have poor near vision, though, so am considering a Nexus 4 (4.7" screen), and passing my current Motorola Defy XT (3.5" screen) to her, since she is near sighted.
 
2013-01-27 10:12:23 AM  

Stone Meadow: Nice! Here's a file photo of my wife's still-in-use 2001 Motorola 120e.


www.wirefly.com

/now with photo goodness
 
2013-01-27 11:32:00 AM  

Thrakkorzog: I have a dumb phone now and have to replace it. I have some cash for an up front purchase and need the per/month to be low. I just need voice calls around 100 min and texting. Web is optional but I want the phone to be able to hook up and find free WIFI when available for the web.

Suggestions...?


I just got this phone with the 1200 minutes and year of service included for $114 (shipping included). The phone was pretty much free.
I get AT&T coverage and it's great. Phone has WiFi, bluetooth, and a whole passel of functions including music and etc. It's as smart as you can get without an actual smart phone and/or breaking the bank. Also, when I activated the phone, I included a tracfone coupon code that got me 250 more minutes. Also, the phone includes triple minutes for life; buy 400, get 1200, etc.
Texts are sent from a qwerty keypad and cost .3 of a minute to send and receive. Touch screen, also.
Awesome deal.
 
2013-01-27 11:32:54 AM  
Whoops. Link.
 
2013-01-27 11:36:06 AM  

nickerj1: What's funny about that is the US wireless carriers' argument was: "Here's out shiatty business model that has no considerations for multi jurisdictions or international trade, people are taking advantage of it, therefore the people taking advantage of it should be outlaws".


That's why people are dropping their contract big-carrier phones for prepaids like tracfone.
My tracfone dials 100 countries for the same rate as domestic or local calls and my initial cost is about 2.9 cents per minute.
The irony is that these prepaids use the big carriers' networks.
 
2013-01-27 11:42:12 AM  

Stone Meadow: Thrakkorzog: I have a dumb phone now and have to replace it. I have some cash for an up front purchase and need the per/month to be low. I just need voice calls around 100 min and texting. Web is optional but I want the phone to be able to hook up and find free WIFI when available for the web.

Suggestions...?

Nexus 4...$30/mo for unlimited text and data, plus 100 minutes talk per month. Fantastic phone with largish screen. $300 for the phone.


Tracfone LG840G: $9.50/mo for 116 minutes per month, texts cost .3 of a cent to send and receive, plus you can add more minutes at any time. Phone effectively free.
 
2013-01-27 11:59:59 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Stone Meadow: Thrakkorzog: Suggestions...?

Nexus 4...$30/mo for unlimited text and data, plus 100 minutes talk per month. Fantastic phone with largish screen. $300 for the phone.

Tracfone LG840G: $9.50/mo for 116 minutes per month, texts cost .3 of a cent to send and receive, plus you can add more minutes at any time. Phone effectively free.


Yeah, I was just reading the Amazon page you linked to. Very interesting, but I have a few questions...

Can you surf the web with this phone? The implied answer is yes (browser shown on screen shot...3G), but I don't see it explicitly mentioned.

How long do the minutes last? If I buy a 400 minute card that gets triple minutes, but only use 500 minutes before the card expires after one or two months, it's not such a good deal. Or does that "one year service" mean one has a year to use the minutes?

TIA
 
2013-01-27 01:25:31 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Whoops. Link.


ok - thanks
 
2013-01-27 01:43:54 PM  
I bought a phone recenlty. I bought it outright, I don't have a contract, just month to month service. I can't imagine why anyone else would have any say over whether I "jailbreak" it.

So far, I've seen no reason to do so. But there is some kind of advertising that shows up on it about once a day which bugs me, and I plan to figure out how to turn that off. If I have to jailbreak it to do so, I will.

I also have a Nexus 7 tablet. I paid for it, it's mine. There is no contract of any kind, no ongoing bill. I can't imagine why it would be illegal to unlock it.
 
2013-01-27 01:47:51 PM  
I just watched a 12-minute Youtube video review of the Tracfone LG840G, which was very positive. The only drawbacks he mentioned are:

1. No motion sensor, so aps don't rotate from portrait or landscape or reverse...they're fixed.

2. The installed browser used keypad entry instead of qwerty for search box entry (qwerty for url entry), so he installed OperaMini to fix that.

3. Doesn't play videos (not an issue for me).

That's it. Other than that he thought it was a great phone. And for as little as $10 a month including the phone itself, as well as talk, data and text using WiFi where available (work and home for me), what's not to like about it?
 
2013-01-27 01:50:37 PM  

JuggleGeek: I bought a phone recenlty. I bought it outright, I don't have a contract, just month to month service. I can't imagine why anyone else would have any say over whether I "jailbreak" it.

So far, I've seen no reason to do so. But there is some kind of advertising that shows up on it about once a day which bugs me, and I plan to figure out how to turn that off. If I have to jailbreak it to do so, I will.

I also have a Nexus 7 tablet. I paid for it, it's mine. There is no contract of any kind, no ongoing bill. I can't imagine why it would be illegal to unlock it.


If I read TFA correctly, the new law applies only to phones you bought under subsidized contract, WHILE THEY'RE STILL UNDER CONTRACT. It doesn't apply to phones you buy outright or once the phone is off contract. You are free to do with those whatever you wish.
 
2013-01-27 04:36:56 PM  

twat_waffle: Android doesn't have a walled garden. Its garden is fenced in with a gate. Because of that, it is impossible to jailbreak an Android phone. Since there is no walled garden to break out of, and since the only thing you are doing is gaining root access, the procedure for an Android device is called "rooting." Because there is no functional difference between jailbreaking and obtaining root level access to an iPhone, the procedure for an iPhone is called jailbreaking.


Once again hitting the "allow unknown sources" option in security is jailbreaking. You are leaving the walled garden of the Google app store. The idea is inconsequential of how hard it is to leave the garden. Without hitting that option you are locked into the Google eco-system.

Rooting, jailbreaking, and unlocking are not the same thing. It just happens that to jailbreak an iPhone you have to root and the two terms have become conflated
 
2013-01-28 10:42:10 AM  
Anyone who has the knowledge, and desire to jailbreak their devices is going to do it regardless of what the law says. This is just another monumental waste of time and money intended to "protect" businesses that are already gouging customers for more than double what it costs to provide a service.
 
2013-01-28 11:27:53 AM  
Why is the Federal government happy to keep lapping up cell phone company's piss and thanking them for the pleasure?

Carriers are just using governments and laws to enforce their products to hang in the market instead of um...actually creating products that will hang in the market because they are good products.
 
2013-01-28 11:37:18 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: I just got this phone with the 1200 minutes and year of service included for $114 (shipping included). The phone was pretty much free.


Stone Meadow: That's it. Other than that he thought it was a great phone. And for as little as $10 a month including the phone itself, as well as talk, data and text using WiFi where available (work and home for me), what's not to like about it?


Here's a fark headline referring to telecom companies that prefer to convince the government to enforce their marketing (instead of creating products that customers will stick with), and all you tools can do is post product endorsements?

Get out of here, you brown-nosing shiatheels.
 
2013-01-28 12:47:49 PM  

torusXL: HotIgneous Intruder: I just got this phone with the 1200 minutes and year of service included for $114 (shipping included). The phone was pretty much free.

Stone Meadow: That's it. Other than that he thought it was a great phone. And for as little as $10 a month including the phone itself, as well as talk, data and text using WiFi where available (work and home for me), what's not to like about it?

Here's a fark headline referring to telecom companies that prefer to convince the government to enforce their marketing (instead of creating products that customers will stick with), and all you tools can do is post product endorsements?

Get out of here, you brown-nosing shiatheels.


The market offers different products and service levels to meet customers' different needs. Video at 11.

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2013-01-28 02:39:10 PM  

Stone Meadow: The market offers different products and service levels to meet customers' different needs. Video at 1


Point missed entirely!

This might be a new Guinness World Record for the highest something as flown over someone's head.
 
2013-01-28 03:13:42 PM  

torusXL: Point missed entirely!


No, I just think you're wrong.
 
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