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2013-01-26 09:47:07 AM
I really need to root my HTC Evo Shift. It's got so little RAM that I ran out of room installing apps, yet I can't get rid of Sprint NASCAR and the like.
 
2013-01-26 09:47:33 AM

LavenderWolf: Cell phone carriers are not in the business of handing out free phones. They are in the business of providing a service, and if subsidizing a phone for you (i.e. paying the full price, sometimes more than $700) means you provide a long-term revenue stream for them, they're going to do it. So they buy the phone, and give it to you under a contract, stating that you're going to be with that company for X period of time (2-3 years usually). This is how they make money.

People wouldn't be able to use their service if they didn't have a phone; a $700 barrier to entry would stop most people.


Fine, but the point of unlocking, as mentioned above, is to be able to travel.

If someone has Verizon and goes to Europe, Verizon does not exist there. So you pay out the ass to make your phone "work" (for Verizon to put you on the local carrier). It would be much easier to pick up a SIM card for nearly nothing with the local carrier and put a few Euros on there for the time spent there. So what, Verizon is claiming it's their phone because they subsidized it for you? Most people already signed a 2 year contract with them, and this is maybe one week from that. Verizon still gets their monthly bill, you're just trying to avoid giving them unnecessary additional money for a week.
 
2013-01-26 09:49:07 AM

gingerjet: RoyFokker'sGhost: Or, you know, you could just get an Android device and not have to worry about jailbreaking...

Wait - Android device owners don't jailbreak their phones?  I thought it was the only way to make an Android phone usable?


Jailbreaking is a procedure for breaking your iPhone out of Apple's walled garden. Since Android phones are not iPhones, it is impossible to jailbreak them. You can root an Android phone, but you don't have to. It's called "rooting" because Android is based on Linux, and you are finding a way to gain access to the root account on your phone. Most decent Android devices are useable right out of the box. If they aren't, rooting isn't going to do much. I've rooted every Android phone I've ever had. It used to be so that I could get software updates on my obsolete phone, but I got addicted to the ad blocking software and my phone being in a bloat-free state. Plus, I use Wireless Tether quite a bit.
 
2013-01-26 09:51:40 AM
Anyone mention that "jailbreaking" is a specific way to root an iPhone, and "rooting" is what you do to an android device. "unlocking" is what the article is talking about, which can be done with rooting your android, and has nothing to do with anything other than using your phone on a different network, say when traveling abroad.

/rooted
//unlocked
///for no reason, really
 
2013-01-26 09:51:55 AM

LavenderWolf: People wouldn't be able to use their service if they didn't have a phone; a $700 barrier to entry would stop most people.


More like, people wouldn't be able to have a nice, $700 phone every year.

Their service is to provide the infrastructure. You can use a road in your Ferrari or your Ford Probe, and you can use the mobile network with a $25 phone or a $700 phone. There are no barriers to entry, just people wanting shiny new toys.
 
2013-01-26 09:53:18 AM
meant to say "with or without rooting your android". I'm not sure about iPhones, however.
 
2013-01-26 09:54:57 AM

twat_waffle: gingerjet: RoyFokker'sGhost: Or, you know, you could just get an Android device and not have to worry about jailbreaking...

Wait - Android device owners don't jailbreak their phones?  I thought it was the only way to make an Android phone usable?

Jailbreaking is a procedure for breaking your iPhone out of Apple's walled garden. Since Android phones are not iPhones, it is impossible to jailbreak them. You can root an Android phone, but you don't have to. It's called "rooting" because Android is based on Linux, and you are finding a way to gain access to the root account on your phone. Most decent Android devices are useable right out of the box. If they aren't, rooting isn't going to do much. I've rooted every Android phone I've ever had. It used to be so that I could get software updates on my obsolete phone, but I got addicted to the ad blocking software and my phone being in a bloat-free state. Plus, I use Wireless Tether quite a bit.


Tiny fist, etc...
 
2013-01-26 10:04:56 AM

bhcompy: In Europe you generally buy the phone outright, so it is unlocked.


This is utterly wrong.
 
2013-01-26 10:23:22 AM

doyner: Weaver95: i'm so glad we let corporations write our laws...that was such a wonderful idea.

Corporations are people, my friend.


I recently incorporated my full name. I AM a corporation, literally. It feels a lot like Tony Stark, putting on the suit. When I add the fact that I have 2 LLCs, a Sole prop, and my actual humanoid identity, I'm able to allocate any and all assets as I see most legally (and financially) beneficial.

IF YOU CANT BEAT THEM, JOIN THEM.
 
2013-01-26 10:35:45 AM
so let me get this straight....you go to a store. you buy their phone. you get their service. you discover you don't like their service. you disconnect service. you now have knock off ipod. you cannot take your property and hook it up to someone else's network that is better. you may not alter the device that YOU own in any way that might benefit you. IF you do, we will have your government, that you elected throw you in jail. Is that about the sum of it?

Someone point me in the direction of the idiot(s) that hatched THAT little nugget...be right there. just gotta grab my brass knuckles, hairspray and lighter

/Founding Fathers see tyranny from within while they roll in their graves today.
 
2013-01-26 10:42:45 AM

The Envoy: bhcompy: In Europe you generally buy the phone outright, so it is unlocked.

This is utterly wrong.

What is wrong is saying "Europe", as in Europe being one big homogeneous entity when it comes to laws/practices regarding cell phones
 
2013-01-26 10:44:29 AM

ProfessorOhki: will_2679: There is a difference between being able to unlock the cell phone to use with a different carrier then jailbreaking or rooting your phone subtard.

Repeating because apparently some people missed the top post in the thread.

BlackArt: So how will they know *when* we unlock our phones? (Mine are all unlocked now. OS replaced as well.)

It probably allows them to start going after sites who post directions on how to unlock and make available any tool used to do so.


Poor HoFo.

I feel safer.
 
2013-01-26 11:07:40 AM

david_gaithersburg: When you keep electing lawyers to represent you, you get what you deserve.


This. the amount of reverence afforded those in the law profession going into politics, and the expectation and near-requirement of politicians having a background in law is amusing. You elect people who feel they arent contributing to society unless they spend every waking moment writing legislation to take yet more freedom away from the populace, and to ensure their 'legacy', and the world we live in is what you get.

Law doesn't prevent mischief, it simply punishes the one who have already done the deed. We need more scientists, engineers in politics, not near-useless ancient ideas still clinging onto modern humanity to stay relevant.
 
2013-01-26 11:13:22 AM

MrEricSir: Or you could buy a phone that's already unlocked at avoid any of this.


THIS....

I never regretted getting my phone, which the company that built it are completely ok with the "jailbreaking" to install other software that aren't in their catalog, and have showed that they couldn't care less if you try to modify the OS.

Fun fact is that I paid about 200$ for my phone about 2 years ago, but now, you can get it for less than a hundred.

I'm talking about the Pre2 of course... funny thing, this phone still hold it's own against new phones. Only the anal retentive that require 100 versions of the same apps on the other system will fail to see or understand this.
 
2013-01-26 11:23:35 AM

ajgeek: Bisu: They're not really "subsidized" in the way most people think of the word, either. You're paying $40-50 more a month for 24 months vs the same carrier's prepaid plan. It's more of a "payment plan with obscene interest rates" than a subsidy, since you end up paying around a thousand dollars more for the phone.

But the companies charge the same or more for a BYOP plan. I admit my information may be dated here, as I've been using Straight Talk for about 2 years.


Straight Talk has a BYOD plan for GSM phones. I'm using my AT&T iPhone with Straight Talk's SIM (which uses AT&T's network) and other than the price, no bill and no contract, there is no difference between my phone and a post-paid AT&T phone.
 
2013-01-26 11:28:51 AM

MrEricSir: ajgeek: MrEricSir: Or you could buy a phone that's already unlocked at avoid any of this.

I'm not sure I can justify $500 for a PHONE when I can buy a laptop for nearly the same price and have a lot more functionality.

Good luck web browsing while walking down the street, taking photos, and making calls with your laptop.


This...WTF is wrong with people who can't just WALK DOWN THE STREET without playing with some BS toy? Don't tell me it's "multi-tasking" because every one of these conversations is along the lines of "what ya doin'?" "Ummm, nuttin', you"? It's almost as if some people were afraid to be alone, or they have to constantly justify their existence by making noise.

Herd instinct?
 
2013-01-26 11:32:22 AM

Turbo Cojones: have to constantly justify their existence by making noise


hehehe yea possibly

// what was the point of your post ?
/ or any post including this one
 
2013-01-26 11:34:20 AM

TiiiMMMaHHH: I AM a corporation, literally


hehehe no, you created a second entity that now has your a similar identity and secondary tax obligations

// date of birth match ?
 
2013-01-26 11:40:00 AM
The law is specifically that you cannot bypass security encryption on a device.

If your phone has an unlocked bootloader (Some android phones) then rooting is still perfectly legal.

If your phone has a locked bootloader that must be bypassed to root, then it will be considered illegal to root that device.

Apple fans are bared from jailbreaking their devices, as doing so requires you bypass Apple's security.

Unlocking the SIM to use your phone on another network will also be illegal, as it requires you to circumvent the carrier's security lock on the SIM.
 
2013-01-26 11:42:57 AM

Gordon Bennett: Step 1: Go to Google Translate.
Step 2: Type in the word "cheese" several times. As a bonus, add "trees" in there a few times.
Step 3: Translate into Hungarian.
Step 4: Click listen.

fun for the whole family.


We single guys prefer Csilla Szabó, who teaches how to say love stuff in Hungarian and we can pretend it's us.
 
2013-01-26 11:44:25 AM

ajgeek: MrEricSir: Or you could buy a phone that's already unlocked at avoid any of this.

I'm not sure I can justify $500 for a PHONE when I can buy a laptop for nearly the same price and have a lot more functionality.


You must be really, really fat to be able to put a laptop in your pants pocket. That or you fail to understand that having many applications, or pared down versions to do basic tasks, on a very small, very mobile form is beneficial to many people.

For myself, and many of the people I support, the smartphone is not a PC replacement. It is a devices that lets them view documents, take pictures, use email, enter data into corporate systems via specialized apps, direct them to a client location, take credit card payments, deposit checks without going to the bank, do scheduling and lots of other stuff. For a device that fits in your pocket or purse. I don't see them replacing PCs, but in some respects, they have more capabilities than a laptop in the same price range.

Of course you won't do a 3D fly thru of 5TB of laser scan data on a phone for quite some time either. Its almost like each device has a purpose and a person should buy the tool that best fits their job.

ajgeek: That's not my problem. I pay $500 to own a phone. I go to a carrier that supports that phone. I pay the exact same price as someone who shelled out the extra $200 for the subsidized. I was required to sign a contract. In Maine I only have two options, U.S. Cellular and Verizon. Both of them effectively told me to take my phone and shove it up my ass.


If you have Verizon available, use an MVNO that runs on VZW and lets you BYOD. PagePlus has a $55/month 'unlimited' plan for smart phones. That should be pretty comparable to a VZW contract plan.

http://www.pagepluscellular.com/

http://www.prepaidmvno.com/2011/09/10/us-mvno-providers-that-use-veri z ons-network/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_mobile_virtual_net w ork_operators
 
2013-01-26 11:44:33 AM
WTF... a felony? is that a troll? that cant be right....

so now tweaking a phone could land me in jail and result in the loss of my guns and the right to vote?
 
2013-01-26 11:48:05 AM
Beating someone within an inch of their lives with an iron pipe is a felony, and said felon is worthy of incarceration and isolation from society.

"Jailbreaking" a phone?

Oh fark no!

Sure, maybe a fine. Got it. But INCARCERATION as a FELON?!?

I guess the "gun nuts" aren't too farking crazy after all.
 
2013-01-26 11:59:27 AM

Maul555: WTF... a felony? is that a troll? that cant be right....

so now tweaking a phone could land me in jail and result in the loss of my guns and the right to vote?


The law (DMCA) was originally written by the MPAA and RIAA lobbyists and their stooges. Hence the 'felony'. My memory may be shakey, but I believe Sony was one of the first device manufacturers to actually use this in court to go after people cracking the protection schemes on a hardware device.

The DMCA is one of the worst injustices ever put on modern technology.
 
2013-01-26 11:59:45 AM
In other news, downloading movies off the interwebs may also be illegal.....
 
2013-01-26 12:03:47 PM

pxlboy: MrEricSir: ajgeek: MrEricSir: Or you could buy a phone that's already unlocked at avoid any of this.

I'm not sure I can justify $500 for a PHONE when I can buy a laptop for nearly the same price and have a lot more functionality.

Good luck web browsing while walking down the street, taking photos, and making calls with your laptop.

A friend of mine has the Galaxy Note II and jokingly refers to it as his laptop because of its size.


You joke, but I love my Galaxy Note II. Best tablet I've ever owned.
 
2013-01-26 12:07:18 PM

Darth_Lukecash: doyner: Weaver95: i'm so glad we let corporations write our laws...that was such a wonderful idea.

Corporations are people, my friend.

Cant we execute a few, just to prove that point?


It's called Chapter 7 of the bankruptcy code. Happens all the time. What gets corporations executed and what gets humans (note, I did not say people) executed are quite different. But it does happen. It's rather macabre too - the pieces of the now dead corporation are dismembered and sold at auction. Imagine doing that for an execution. Right before the lethal injection there's an auction:

Got one fine functioning heart here... starting at 50k 50k 50k to the anxious father in blue do I hear 60k 60k to the geezer in green 70k back to the father in blue 75k geezer in green woah! 200k to the guy in black do I hear 225k? 225k? anyone? 200k going once, twice... Sold! to the guy in the black turtleneck and jeans.

After the parts are all auctioned (Sorry dude, your brain is worthless, you've been on drugs too long) the injection goes in and then the saws and knives get pulled out.

So no, we don't treat corporations the same, and honestly, I hope we never get treated like that.
 
2013-01-26 12:13:58 PM

Weaver95: i'm so glad we let corporations write our laws...that was such a wonderful idea.


Socialisms!!!!!
 
2013-01-26 12:14:26 PM

MadHatter500: So no, we don't treat corporations the same, and honestly, I hope we never get treated like that.


Except we dont do that anymore... now we just give them a bunch of free money & send them on their way.
 
2013-01-26 12:36:22 PM
I'm so glad I didn't understand any of that. I'll pay $100 for a farking telephone when they invent one that shiats $100 bills.
 
2013-01-26 12:50:05 PM
How does this even make any sense? If you unlock while you're still under contract, don't you still have to pay the rest of the contract? Congratulations on unlocking; you still have to pay for another 21 months...  Is there an epidemic of people getting a cheap phone and canceling their contract?  And then somehow not paying the cancellation fee?
 
2013-01-26 12:59:29 PM
How will they know if you jailbreak it next month?
 
2013-01-26 01:16:00 PM

MrEricSir: ajgeek: MrEricSir: Or you could buy a phone that's already unlocked at avoid any of this.

I'm not sure I can justify $500 for a PHONE when I can buy a laptop for nearly the same price and have a lot more functionality.

Good luck web browsing while walking down the street, taking photos, and making calls with your laptop.


yeh. because EVERYONE uses their PHONE exactly like YOU.
Its a PHONE. just because it has a shiatty camera and can browse the intertubes on a 3" screen doesnt mean it has to be used as such exclusively.
 
2013-01-26 01:18:40 PM

Slartibartfaster: TiiiMMMaHHH: I AM a corporation, literally

hehehe no, you created a second entity that now has your a similar identity and secondary tax obligations

// date of birth match ?


by filing form 8832 to regard myself as a seperate entity, i have enabled myself to file 1120s for the corp, and a simple 1040 for myself. Big picture, i've got many more angles depending on my circumstances than a mere citizen. All for less than $200. Worth it in my book.
 
2013-01-26 01:48:10 PM
While not a 100% solution, I think Skype over free Wifi for $2.99 a month is purty cheap
 
2013-01-26 01:48:22 PM

RanDomino: How does this even make any sense? If you unlock while you're still under contract, don't you still have to pay the rest of the contract? Congratulations on unlocking; you still have to pay for another 21 months...  Is there an epidemic of people getting a cheap phone and canceling their contract?  And then somehow not paying the cancellation fee?


Actually a lot of people game the system.  They buy an iphone, lose it, do an insurance claim then they sell both the phones to someone on ebay out of teh country.

So let me break it down.

199 for iphone 5
199 for insurance replacment
325 for canceling contract.
723 dollars total

Then they go sell the phones for 750 a piece. so they have about an 800 dollar profit.

I know guy who did this with six phones, canceled the account and walked with 2k, all in a days work.
 
2013-01-26 01:48:54 PM
Tonight there's going to be trouble.
 
2013-01-26 01:58:05 PM

Darth_Lukecash: doyner: Weaver95: i'm so glad we let corporations write our laws...that was such a wonderful idea.

Corporations are people, my friend.

Cant we execute a few, just to prove that point?


Can we start with Apple?
 
2013-01-26 02:11:58 PM

GranoblasticMan: pxlboy: MrEricSir: ajgeek: MrEricSir: Or you could buy a phone that's already unlocked at avoid any of this.

I'm not sure I can justify $500 for a PHONE when I can buy a laptop for nearly the same price and have a lot more functionality.

Good luck web browsing while walking down the street, taking photos, and making calls with your laptop.

A friend of mine has the Galaxy Note II and jokingly refers to it as his laptop because of its size.

You joke, but I love my Galaxy Note II. Best tablet I've ever owned.


I just got a Galaxy S3 from work. In its holster I feel like I have a serving tray strapped to my hip.
 
kab
2013-01-26 02:20:32 PM
Hmm. Do I own said product?

Can I hold said product in my hands? Yes? I'll do as I like with it then. Good luck enforcing this particular 'law'.
 
2013-01-26 03:15:56 PM

viscountalpha: Dokushin: viscountalpha: Dokushin: This has nothing to do with jailbreaking or rooting. Jesus, no one reads anymore.

This concerns the process of unlocking your SIM lock, meaning you can use the phone on other networks. Rooting, flashing, and jailbreaking remains legal.

Your the one who didn't read. It specifically limits jail-breaking. They are targeting people abusing the system though for profit. But it could be slapped on someone if they are looking for someone breaking the law.

So, No. It's not legal.

Okay, we'll dance. Citation of gaining root access on iOS becoming illegal?

I didn't say root-access? No I didn't. Did you go read the actual document? NO! you didn't or you could cite out why JAIL BREAKING is causing issues.

Since your a lazy moron and I have to point out what I'm referencing,

Link

ffs, GBOD.


What's funny about that is the US wireless carriers' argument was: "Here's out shiatty business model that has no considerations for multi jurisdictions or international trade, people are taking advantage of it, therefore the people taking advantage of it should be outlaws".

Or... Or... Fix your shiatty business model. Just a thought.

Also, how does the Librarian of Congress have the power to revise law without due process? "Well, just gonna cross out this here amendment to the Constitution that's really been putting on a damper on our attempts at making everyone slaves".
 
2013-01-26 03:17:29 PM

waterrockets: Meh.

/Nexus 4 + $30/mo no contract unlimited data/text & 100min talk


This may be my next phone. I was playing with my nephew's Nexus 4 the other day and it's awesome. He pays the same as you.
 
2013-01-26 04:55:30 PM
Just got the Samsung Galaxy Note II. Haven't rooted it yet. I rooted my old EVO and loved it though. I might root the Galaxy, but so far it's running great, great battery and not too much bloat.
 
2013-01-26 05:09:47 PM

Darth_Lukecash: doyner: Weaver95: i'm so glad we let corporations write our laws...that was such a wonderful idea.

Corporations are people, my friend.

Cant we execute a few, just to prove that they are machines?


FTFY
 
2013-01-26 05:24:39 PM

Su-Su-Sudo: Anyone mention that "jailbreaking" is a specific way to root an iPhone, and "rooting" is what you do to an android device. "unlocking" is what the article is talking about, which can be done with rooting your android, and has nothing to do with anything other than using your phone on a different network, say when traveling abroad.

/rooted
//unlocked
///for no reason, really


WRONG

Jailbreaking means to leave a walled garden (meaning you are locked into one vendor for apps/music/etc)

Root means you have root access on a *Nix system

Unlocked means the phone is no longer locked to a single carrier and you can use either a sim card (GSM) or reprogram it (CDMA) to use on another system

To jailbreak an Android you just hit the option of trust outside sources and you are free from the garden

With iPhone to jailbreak you have to root
 
2013-01-26 07:12:43 PM
I have a dumb phone now and have to replace it. I have some cash for an up front purchase and need the per/month to be low. I just need voice calls around 100 min and texting. Web is optional but I want the phone to be able to hook up and find free WIFI when available for the web.

Suggestions...?
 
2013-01-26 08:07:28 PM

Thrakkorzog: I have a dumb phone now and have to replace it. I have some cash for an up front purchase and need the per/month to be low. I just need voice calls around 100 min and texting. Web is optional but I want the phone to be able to hook up and find free WIFI when available for the web.

Suggestions...?


Nexus 4...$30/mo for unlimited text and data, plus 100 minutes talk per month. Fantastic phone with largish screen. $300 for the phone.
 
2013-01-26 08:33:07 PM

Stone Meadow: Thrakkorzog: I have a dumb phone now and have to replace it. I have some cash for an up front purchase and need the per/month to be low. I just need voice calls around 100 min and texting. Web is optional but I want the phone to be able to hook up and find free WIFI when available for the web.

Suggestions...?

Nexus 4...$30/mo for unlimited text and data, plus 100 minutes talk per month. Fantastic phone with largish screen. $300 for the phone.


thanks - I'll check it out.
 
2013-01-26 08:52:52 PM

kab: Hmm. Do I own said product?

Can I hold said product in my hands? Yes? I'll do as I like with it then. Good luck enforcing this particular 'law'.


I think it will only take a few more Aaron Swartzes and Kim Dotcoms to change your mind.

/if not, good luck fending off SWAT teams with only your "product" to protect you
//no, your friends won't help you, they'll probably be the first to attack you after the media declares you a pedophile/racist/sexist/Republican/whatever
 
2013-01-26 09:14:27 PM

zedster: Su-Su-Sudo: Anyone mention that "jailbreaking" is a specific way to root an iPhone, and "rooting" is what you do to an android device. "unlocking" is what the article is talking about, which can be done with rooting your android, and has nothing to do with anything other than using your phone on a different network, say when traveling abroad.

/rooted
//unlocked
///for no reason, really

WRONG

Jailbreaking means to leave a walled garden (meaning you are locked into one vendor for apps/music/etc)

Root means you have root access on a *Nix system

Unlocked means the phone is no longer locked to a single carrier and you can use either a sim card (GSM) or reprogram it (CDMA) to use on another system

To jailbreak an Android you just hit the option of trust outside sources and you are free from the garden

With iPhone to jailbreak you have to root


Android doesn't have a walled garden. Its garden is fenced in with a gate. Because of that, it is impossible to jailbreak an Android phone. Since there is no walled garden to break out of, and since the only thing you are doing is gaining root access, the procedure for an Android device is called "rooting." Because there is no functional difference between jailbreaking and obtaining root level access to an iPhone, the procedure for an iPhone is called jailbreaking.

I seriously hate it when people use "jailbreak" to mean root. It is not the same thing. People who use those words interchangeably are just proudly putting their ignorance on display for the rest of us to point and laugh at, or be irritated by.
 
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