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(BGR)   You have 1 week left to "jailbreak" your under-contract smartphone, or any tablet, before it becomes a felony under the DCMA   (bgr.com) divider line 228
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2013-01-25 08:05:45 PM  

MrEricSir: Or you could buy a phone that's already unlocked at avoid any of this.


I think most people would do this if more providers gave discounts on the cost of service for BYOD plans. But most don't, or the discount is insignificant. And sometimes they even throw in a surcharge because they want you to sign a longterm contract.

Then you have a handful of carriers that won't even accept unlocked devices on their networks.
 
2013-01-25 08:05:51 PM  

ajgeek: MrEricSir: Or you could buy a phone that's already unlocked at avoid any of this.

I'm not sure I can justify $500 for a PHONE when I can buy a laptop for nearly the same price and have a lot more functionality.


Good luck web browsing while walking down the street, taking photos, and making calls with your laptop.
 
2013-01-25 08:10:56 PM  

MrEricSir: ajgeek: MrEricSir: Or you could buy a phone that's already unlocked at avoid any of this.

I'm not sure I can justify $500 for a PHONE when I can buy a laptop for nearly the same price and have a lot more functionality.

Good luck web browsing while walking down the street, taking photos, and making calls with your laptop.


A friend of mine has the Galaxy Note II and jokingly refers to it as his laptop because of its size.
 
2013-01-25 08:11:27 PM  
Ok, fine. I'll stop. Just after I quit dl'ing torrents.
 
2013-01-25 08:12:21 PM  

Bisu: RoyFokker'sGhost:
Bottom line, Google treats you like a rational, reasonable adult.

It'd be nice if they did that with their search engine. Right now they give me 3 results (out of 8 million) for the search terms I entered, and then list 8 suggested searches with the first result of each. I love having to go to page 2 for results 4 through 100.


Bing is truly superior in this regard. They adopted the Google minimalist philosophy while Google Search has morphed into a bloated, ad-laden piece of junk. Bing is where Google was about 5 years ago(maybe a little longer), which was the sweetspot for searchability without all the stupid bloat and dynamic content.
 
2013-01-25 08:14:16 PM  
farm3.staticflickr.com

I am so screwed.
 
2013-01-25 08:14:26 PM  

bhcompy: Bisu: RoyFokker'sGhost:
Bottom line, Google treats you like a rational, reasonable adult.

It'd be nice if they did that with their search engine. Right now they give me 3 results (out of 8 million) for the search terms I entered, and then list 8 suggested searches with the first result of each. I love having to go to page 2 for results 4 through 100.

Bing is truly superior in this regard. They adopted the Google minimalist philosophy while Google Search has morphed into a bloated, ad-laden piece of junk. Bing is where Google was about 5 years ago(maybe a little longer), which was the sweetspot for searchability without all the stupid bloat and dynamic content.


I like the image search on Bing for when I need square-formatted images for iTunes album art. GIS frustrates me in this regard.
 
2013-01-25 08:20:35 PM  

ajgeek: MrEricSir: Or you could buy a phone that's already unlocked at avoid any of this.

I'm not sure I can justify $500 for a PHONE when I can buy a laptop for nearly the same price and have a lot more functionality.


I don't know if you can justify $500 for a laptop when you can get a desktop for nearly the same price and have a lot more functionality.

Seriously though, that $200-300 price break on the phone isn't free; it's just added int your $1600/2yr contract. They're not discounted, they're subsidized.
 
2013-01-25 08:27:14 PM  

ProfessorOhki: ajgeek: MrEricSir: Or you could buy a phone that's already unlocked at avoid any of this.

I'm not sure I can justify $500 for a PHONE when I can buy a laptop for nearly the same price and have a lot more functionality.

I don't know if you can justify $500 for a laptop when you can get a desktop for nearly the same price and have a lot more functionality.

Seriously though, that $200-300 price break on the phone isn't free; it's just added int your $1600/2yr contract. They're not discounted, they're subsidized.


They're not really "subsidized" in the way most people think of the word, either. You're paying $40-50 more a month for 24 months vs the same carrier's prepaid plan. It's more of a "payment plan with obscene interest rates" than a subsidy, since you end up paying around a thousand dollars more for the phone.
 
2013-01-25 08:27:20 PM  

doyner: Ownership has always been a myth.


Existence itself is a myth.
i18.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-25 08:30:04 PM  

Bisu: ProfessorOhki: ajgeek: MrEricSir: Or you could buy a phone that's already unlocked at avoid any of this.

I'm not sure I can justify $500 for a PHONE when I can buy a laptop for nearly the same price and have a lot more functionality.

I don't know if you can justify $500 for a laptop when you can get a desktop for nearly the same price and have a lot more functionality.

Seriously though, that $200-300 price break on the phone isn't free; it's just added int your $1600/2yr contract. They're not discounted, they're subsidized.

They're not really "subsidized" in the way most people think of the word, either. You're paying $40-50 more a month for 24 months vs the same carrier's prepaid plan. It's more of a "payment plan with obscene interest rates" than a subsidy, since you end up paying around a thousand dollars more for the phone.


I should say around a thousand dollars minus the "subsidy" you got for signing the contract. So subtract that $200 to $450 from the thousand. Didn't mean to mislead too much.
 
2013-01-25 08:31:08 PM  

Bisu: They're not really "subsidized" in the way most people think of the word, either. You're paying $40-50 more a month for 24 months vs the same carrier's prepaid plan. It's more of a "payment plan with obscene interest rates" than a subsidy, since you end up paying around a thousand dollars more for the phone.


The weirdest thing is some providers that provide 2-year contracts for bring-your-own-device plans. I always wonder who falls for that... it's the worst of both worlds.
 
2013-01-25 08:31:13 PM  

Amos Quito: [farm3.staticflickr.com image 640x428]

I am so screwed.


You can dial by tapping the switch hook. Tap 10 times to get the operator.
 
2013-01-25 08:33:38 PM  
Came for overreacting herpa derp from people who have no idea what this law really is.

/leaving very satisfied
 
2013-01-25 08:33:43 PM  
My understanding of this is that once the contract is up or you cancel the contract and pay the termination the fee is your and then you can unlock or jailbreak. Beside which unless Verizon goes checking to around to see you took your two year old VZW phone elsewhere over to another carrier once your contract was up, how would they ever know?

Where this is a problem is for overseas travel. I unlocked my Incredible so I could use it on a network in China when I traveled. If you don't unlock it you have to set something through Verizon to use it overseas and they surcharge the hell out of you for that. Whereas with an unlocked phone you walk you into Guomei with the phone and walk out with service for a few RMB.
 
2013-01-25 08:36:56 PM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: Jailbreaking on Android is very different than jailbreaking on iOS. Speaking from my own experience, I have an Android phone (HTC) and an Android tablet (Transformer), and I've never had a problem with taking off anything factory installed that I don't want; like the digital copy of 'Green Hornet' that came pre-installed on my phone. You hook it up directly via USB to your computer and mount it as a removable drive. No farking around with iTunes. If I'm goign to a game convention, I can put PDFs of the game books on my tablet directly. I swap out the music on my phone directly. The only need to jailbreak an Android phone is to install custom apps that aren't in the Google Play store, and I haven't found an app I've wanted to install that isn't there.


Android lets you install apps from anywhere by default. No need to root it or jailbreak it for that. I've never bothered to jailbreak mine.
 
2013-01-25 08:38:09 PM  

Supes: The weirdest thing is some providers that provide 2-year contracts for bring-your-own-device plans. I always wonder who falls for that... it's the worst of both worlds.


An extended warranty? How can I lose?!
 
2013-01-25 08:39:00 PM  

dahmers love zombie: Rooted mine about three hours after I got it.  Only way to install Wireless Tether without paying Sprint's outrageous fee for the service.  Also the only way to remove the NFL bloatware and all that other crapola.


Perhaps ... maybe .... ya know ... you bought the wrong phone?
 
2013-01-25 08:44:07 PM  

traylor: thamike: [news.cnet.com image 287x296]

I'm perfectly happy with my DumbPhone.

Me loves dumbphones myself too, bat that's not a dumbphone. THIS is a dumbphone.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 138x300]

/happily using one of these for calling people and receiving calls for the last 11 years
/oh and SMS stuff


No no no, this is a dumb phone:

4.bp.blogspot.com

Doubly dumb if Max stepped in dogshiat before taking a call.
 
2013-01-25 08:48:48 PM  
Mine is ok

From AT&T web site:

AT&T will unlock an iPhone under the following circumstances:

•The person requesting the unlock is:
◦A current AT&T customer, or
◦A former AT&T customer who can provide the phone number or account number for the account.
•The iPhone was designed for use on the AT&T network.
•All contract obligations, including any term commitment, associated with the device to be unlocked have been fully satisfied.
•The iPhone has not been reported lost or stolen
 
2013-01-25 08:57:58 PM  

gingerjet: dahmers love zombie: Rooted mine about three hours after I got it.  Only way to install Wireless Tether without paying Sprint's outrageous fee for the service.  Also the only way to remove the NFL bloatware and all that other crapola.

Perhaps ... maybe .... ya know ... you bought the wrong phone?


I've rooted/hacked every phone I've owned since '98 to get it to a level I was happy with...until I bought my Atrix 2. Out of the box that phone did EVERYTHING I wanted it too, or could do so via an app. I will probably never mess with it.

Lesson: if you don't want your customers pissing around or going to other carriers, give them what they want.
 
2013-01-25 09:07:32 PM  
It's my damn phone and I'll root it if I want.
 
2013-01-25 09:07:42 PM  

doyner: Weaver95: i'm so glad we let corporations write our laws...that was such a wonderful idea.

Corporations are people, my friend.


People without souls. The most dangerous kind of person. One who has zero compassion about killing and violating others rights. Not all Corporations are evil but they seem to carry inherent predication towards evil.
 
2013-01-25 09:09:41 PM  

traylor: vásárlás" (that last word means 'buying' in Hungarian, you know because I live in Hungary)


A simple rule of thumb about the Hungarian language. Why use one syllable when eight work just as well.

/was married to a Hungarian
 
2013-01-25 09:14:46 PM  

serial_crusher: Are you sure you meant DCMA subby, not CDMA?


4.bp.blogspot.com

He meant run DMCA


Seriously though, I'm amazed anyone buys a phone or uses a post-paid contract plan from any of the major carriers anymore.


Like the network but don't like the company? Use an MVNO (mobile virtual network operator).


Buy an un-locked GSM phone from ebay and a SIM card from straight talk (AT&T's network). Or, buy a Verizon branded phone with a clear ESN and activate it on PagePlus (Verizon's network). Unlimited everything for $45-$55/Mo. no contract. Use the same network without all it's restrictions.
 
2013-01-25 09:22:12 PM  
This has nothing to do with jailbreaking or rooting. Jesus, no one reads anymore.

This concerns the process of unlocking your SIM lock, meaning you can use the phone on other networks. Rooting, flashing, and jailbreaking remains legal.
 
2013-01-25 09:26:49 PM  

bhcompy: In Europe you generally buy the phone outright, so it is unlocked. This is the case in the US if you buy the phone outright, as well. This is in regards to getting a subsidized phone from a carrier.


False.

Source: I currently live in an EU country. You do not, I can tell because you z your s's.

Phones are sold outright yes, they are also available subsidised from carriers. Removing the SIM lock requires nothing more than a phone call, all carriers will unlock at the end users request; however some may charge for this service especially if it's still under contract.
 
2013-01-25 09:36:21 PM  

OgreMagi: traylor: vásárlás" (that last word means 'buying' in Hungarian, you know because I live in Hungary)

A simple rule of thumb about the Hungarian language. Why use one syllable when eight work just as well.

/was married to a Hungarian


Good. Here's an other rule: a word with eight syllables in Hungarian makes a six word sentence in English.
 
2013-01-25 09:44:43 PM  

traylor: OgreMagi: traylor: vásárlás" (that last word means 'buying' in Hungarian, you know because I live in Hungary)

A simple rule of thumb about the Hungarian language. Why use one syllable when eight work just as well.

/was married to a Hungarian

Good. Here's an other rule: a word with eight syllables in Hungarian makes a six word sentence in English.


I never could pronounce köszönöm. On the other hand, I had no problem with lófasz.
 
2013-01-25 09:45:03 PM  
You'll bend over and like it, Indentured Consumer ID:578421454-AH-5612354789!!
 
2013-01-25 09:45:06 PM  
How is this even enforceable?
 
2013-01-25 09:55:05 PM  

JesusJuice: How is this even enforceable?


well, if you're on sprint and want to go to AT&T I don't think the handsets are compatible

though i may well be talking out my ass
 
2013-01-25 09:57:33 PM  
In other news, looks like iOs 6 jailbreak may be only days or weeks away. This makes me happy
 
2013-01-25 10:02:16 PM  

Dokushin: This has nothing to do with jailbreaking or rooting. Jesus, no one reads anymore.

This concerns the process of unlocking your SIM lock, meaning you can use the phone on other networks. Rooting, flashing, and jailbreaking remains legal.


Your the one who didn't read. It specifically limits jail-breaking. They are targeting people abusing the system though for profit. But it could be slapped on someone if they are looking for someone breaking the law.

So, No. It's not legal.
 
2013-01-25 10:04:02 PM  

OceanVortex: In other news, looks like iOs 6 jailbreak may be only days or weeks away. This makes me happy


(and yes, I know this story does not relate to jail breaking. But apperently this thread has become about that)
 
2013-01-25 10:09:39 PM  

viscountalpha: Dokushin: This has nothing to do with jailbreaking or rooting. Jesus, no one reads anymore.

This concerns the process of unlocking your SIM lock, meaning you can use the phone on other networks. Rooting, flashing, and jailbreaking remains legal.

Your the one who didn't read. It specifically limits jail-breaking. They are targeting people abusing the system though for profit. But it could be slapped on someone if they are looking for someone breaking the law.

So, No. It's not legal.


Okay, we'll dance. Citation of gaining root access on iOS becoming illegal?
 
2013-01-25 10:25:34 PM  

Dokushin: viscountalpha: Dokushin: This has nothing to do with jailbreaking or rooting. Jesus, no one reads anymore.

This concerns the process of unlocking your SIM lock, meaning you can use the phone on other networks. Rooting, flashing, and jailbreaking remains legal.

Your the one who didn't read. It specifically limits jail-breaking. They are targeting people abusing the system though for profit. But it could be slapped on someone if they are looking for someone breaking the law.

So, No. It's not legal.

Okay, we'll dance. Citation of gaining root access on iOS becoming illegal?


I didn't say root-access? No I didn't. Did you go read the actual document? NO! you didn't or you could cite out why JAIL BREAKING is causing issues.

Since your a lazy moron and I have to point out what I'm referencing,

Link

ffs, GBOD.
 
2013-01-25 10:34:51 PM  

Weaver95: i'm so glad we let corporations write our laws...that was such a wonderful idea.


What did people think would happen when they decided that essentially unlimited government power was a good thing? It should have been clear that instead of just ignoring their job to defend people's rights those in the government would just start having their corporate friends create the laws outright.
 
2013-01-25 10:50:24 PM  
This is just another step for corporations in America® to own our asses.
It's time to ether get out or revolt.
I can't believe I fought for a country where a librarian can decide how I use my own property.

FTC
 
2013-01-25 10:52:06 PM  

viscountalpha: Dokushin: viscountalpha: Dokushin: This has nothing to do with jailbreaking or rooting. Jesus, no one reads anymore.

This concerns the process of unlocking your SIM lock, meaning you can use the phone on other networks. Rooting, flashing, and jailbreaking remains legal.

Your the one who didn't read. It specifically limits jail-breaking. They are targeting people abusing the system though for profit. But it could be slapped on someone if they are looking for someone breaking the law.

So, No. It's not legal.

Okay, we'll dance. Citation of gaining root access on iOS becoming illegal?

I didn't say root-access? No I didn't. Did you go read the actual document? NO! you didn't or you could cite out why JAIL BREAKING is causing issues.

Since your a lazy moron and I have to point out what I'm referencing,

Link

ffs, GBOD.


Do you know what "jailbreaking" means? Here, I'll help, since words are hard.

Wikipedia on Jailbreaking: Jailbreaking permits root access to the iOS operating system, allowing the download of additional applications, extensions, and themes that are unavailable through the official Apple App Store.

As I already said, this has nothing to do with the legislation in question, which targets acquisition of cellphones at subsidized prices and "unlocking" them (removing the SIM lock) so that they may be used on other networks (associated with companies that did not pay the subsidy).
 
2013-01-25 10:53:09 PM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: Or, you know, you could just get an Android device and not have to worry about jailbreaking...


Hardly.
 
2013-01-25 10:56:02 PM  

JesusJuice: How is this even enforceable?


It's not.

I don't see two of the three Unholy Trinity (Google and Microsoft) caring that much about this sort of thing. Hacking phones is a pretty big deal in both the Android and Windows Phone communities.
 
2013-01-25 11:06:50 PM  

traylor: /happily using one of these for calling people and receiving calls for the last 11 years
/oh and SMS stuff


Maybe we can get together and not watch the TV that I don't have.
 
2013-01-25 11:13:49 PM  

OgreMagi: I never could pronounce köszönöm. On the other hand, I had no problem with lófasz.


LOL. I see your ex-wife had taught you all the important words.
 
2013-01-25 11:15:45 PM  
A tad late to this thread, but:

1.  By what method could any phone carrier or law enforcement agency detect that a device is unlocked?

2.  How in the hell is this even enforceable? (regardless of #1)
 
2013-01-25 11:38:48 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: doyner: Weaver95: i'm so glad we let corporations write our laws...that was such a wonderful idea.

Corporations are people, my friend.

Cant we execute a few, just to prove that point?


I'm thinking some should have just been aborted.
 
2013-01-25 11:40:44 PM  
Meh.

/Nexus 4 + $30/mo no contract unlimited data/text & 100min talk
 
2013-01-25 11:40:53 PM  
This is what happens when you vote for Democrats or Republicans. They think that the interstate commerce clause gives them the authority to do almost anything.
 
2013-01-26 12:04:49 AM  

traylor: thamike: [news.cnet.com image 287x296]

I'm perfectly happy with my DumbPhone.

Me loves dumbphones myself too, bat that's not a dumbphone. THIS is a dumbphone.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 138x300]

/happily using one of these for calling people and receiving calls for the last 11 years
/oh and SMS stuff


My dumb(ish) phone:

www.phonesreview.co.uk

$15 and I put $20 or so on it every few months to keep it active.
 
2013-01-26 12:15:54 AM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Yeah, good luck with the shiatstorm of negative PR you'll get from suing paid customers.


Your optimism is adorable.
 
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