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2013-01-25 07:56:05 PM

WhippingBoy: LazerFish: Just to clear my position up a little, I do not think all women are whores or all old men are pervs. It just happened to be true in the case of the two individuals about which I was talking.
Do I think women who prostitute themselves are whores? um... by definition, yes they are. Do I think men who procure the prostitute's services are pervs? yep, sure do

Why does fulfilling a desire for sex make one a "perv"?


PERV? I dont think that word means what he thinks it means., But he is probably a closet gay.
 
2013-01-25 08:08:20 PM
I didn't say there was anything wrong with being a whore or a perv, but that's what they are, even if they try to make it sound cute by using sugardaddy/baby. Its all semantics.
 
2013-01-25 08:16:30 PM

WhippingBoy: I should qualify that: Why does fulfilling a desire for sex with another consenting adult under mutually agreed upon terms make one a "perv"?


Pervert - Noun A person whose sexual behavior is regarded as abnormal and unacceptable.

Is prostitution regarded as normal and acceptable? If not: pervert. If so: not pervert. So your real question isn't, "why is he a pervert," but rather, "why is our culture unaccepting of prostitution." That one probably has to do with everything from association with organized crime to puritanical religious roots to jealous mates.
 
2013-01-25 08:18:40 PM

LazerFish: I didn't say there was anything wrong with being a whore or a perv, but that's what they are, even if they try to make it sound cute by using sugardaddy/baby. Its all semantics.


so you still have no idea what the definition of perv is
look it up
post it here

given the massive number of men who sleep with prostitutes, sleeping with prostitutes is not unusual nor abnormal, certainly not perverted.
"One who practices sexual perversion."

Nope, having sex with a women is not sexual perversion.


but go ahead and pretend that you are using a word properly ... LOL
 
2013-01-25 08:19:04 PM
unfarkingbelievable: I thank you for the kinds words. Truth be told, I found a good country boy. He is a redneck and proud of it. We are very different. I am college educated--Master's in English and a college professor for the past 10 years. I am working on my second Master's in American Military History. He is a man who works with his hands. Never been to college. He works in farming/livestock. He works his ass off. He has taught me a lot about farming and livestock and the entire industry. I have been to livestock auctions and my kids have seen things most won't get to. I feel truly lucky to have him.

There are good men to be found. They are out there. I just had to look outside of my safe, comfortable world of college-educated men to find a different person. Not to say that college-educated men are not good catches, they are, but for me, it was time for something new. He stole my heart the day we met.

Sometimes he says things that betray the fact that he is smarter than he thinks. I know college educated does not always equal smart.
 
2013-01-25 08:21:22 PM

ProfessorOhki: WhippingBoy: I should qualify that: Why does fulfilling a desire for sex with another consenting adult under mutually agreed upon terms make one a "perv"?

Pervert - Noun A person whose sexual behavior is regarded as abnormal and unacceptable.

Is prostitution regarded as normal and acceptable? If not: pervert. If so: not pervert. So your real question isn't, "why is he a pervert," but rather, "why is our culture unaccepting of prostitution." That one probably has to do with everything from association with organized crime to puritanical religious roots to jealous mates.


given the massive number of people who hire prostitutes, there is no rational definition of abnormal which would include that significant percentage of the population.
unacceptable? only to people who think that sex is immoral and that women should have no control over their bodies.
people who want to control everyone else....

fark em
 
2013-01-25 08:22:25 PM

KiwDaWabbit: Shakespeare's Sister: KiwDaWabbit: Shakespeare's Sister: It is unfortunate that she turned out to be that way. Truthfully, both of our stories are anecdotal, so neither really proves anything.

Thanks. And, true; I was just more saying that things tend to lean a certain way. I second unfarkingbelievable's notion that you do seem pretty awesome, though. So, +1 Internets for you.

Thank you both for your kind words, and, you, KiwDaWabbit for the +1.

It has taken me quite a bit of time, and growing up, to realize what is important in a relationship. I think that my bf likes my age bc of the smarts that come with it. I don't play the games that some women do. I tell him what I am thinking and what I want in bed. He does not have to guess. I do not play the "if you knew me, you would know" game or say "nothing" and pout when he asks what is wrong. I do not give the silent treatment or withhold sex. Those are games of the immature. Besides. . .withholding sex.. . that means I don't get any. Fark that. I want to walk funny the next day and be tired. Besides being better lovers, there is a lot to be said for dating a woman 5+ years older than you.

Do you have a sister?


No, I am sorry to say I do not. But, I cannot be the only woman out there like me.
 
2013-01-25 08:25:33 PM

ProfessorOhki: Is prostitution regarded as normal and acceptable? If not: pervert. If so: not pervert. So your real question isn't, "why is he a pervert," but rather, "why is our culture unaccepting of prostitution." That one probably has to do with everything from association with organized crime to puritanical religious roots to jealous mates.


In general, I don't really care if people engage in prostitution. If anything, it might distract our culture from it's fixation on violence.

However, on a personal level, since being a former prostitute is a deal-breaker for me in a relationship, I feel like it would be wrong for me to go out and rent one for my own needs (frankly, I wouldn't know where to even start). But I could really give a shiat what other people do as long as it doesn't hurt me, my family, etc.
 
2013-01-25 08:25:50 PM

ProfessorOhki: WhippingBoy: I should qualify that: Why does fulfilling a desire for sex with another consenting adult under mutually agreed upon terms make one a "perv"?

Pervert - Noun A person whose sexual behavior is regarded as abnormal and unacceptable.

Is prostitution regarded as normal and acceptable? If not: pervert. If so: not pervert. So your real question isn't, "why is he a pervert," but rather, "why is our culture unaccepting of prostitution." That one probably has to do with everything from association with organized crime to puritanical religious roots to jealous mates.


No, that's not my question at all. But that really doesn't matter to you, does it?

My point is why not call them both "pervs"? Or if you're going to use dictionary definitions (like "prostitute"), call him a "john". There's a definite value judgement in the use of the word "perv".
 
2013-01-25 08:30:27 PM

namatad: ProfessorOhki: WhippingBoy: I should qualify that: Why does fulfilling a desire for sex with another consenting adult under mutually agreed upon terms make one a "perv"?

Pervert - Noun A person whose sexual behavior is regarded as abnormal and unacceptable.

Is prostitution regarded as normal and acceptable? If not: pervert. If so: not pervert. So your real question isn't, "why is he a pervert," but rather, "why is our culture unaccepting of prostitution." That one probably has to do with everything from association with organized crime to puritanical religious roots to jealous mates.

given the massive number of people who hire prostitutes, there is no rational definition of abnormal which would include that significant percentage of the population.
unacceptable? only to people who think that sex is immoral and that women should have no control over their bodies.
people who want to control everyone else....

fark em


Wow, that wasn't even subtle. You used prostitution while addressing "abnormal" and then switched to sex for "unacceptable". The trick to effective goalpost moving is to do it gradually; you keep 'em just out of reach like some sort of sadistic Zeno's Paradox. You don't just up and teleport them; it lacks subtly and isn't enjoyable for anyone.

/Though, it did say "AND" rather than "OR"
//I don't have an answer acceptably abnormal
///or unacceptably normal

KiwDaWabbit: ProfessorOhki: Is prostitution regarded as normal and acceptable? If not: pervert. If so: not pervert. So your real question isn't, "why is he a pervert," but rather, "why is our culture unaccepting of prostitution." That one probably has to do with everything from association with organized crime to puritanical religious roots to jealous mates.

In general, I don't really care if people engage in prostitution. If anything, it might distract our culture from it's fixation on violence.

However, on a personal level, since being a former prostitute is a deal-breaker for me in a relationship, I feel like it would be wrong for me to go out and rent one for my own needs (frankly, I wouldn't know where to even start). But I could really give a shiat what other people do as long as it doesn't hurt me, my family, etc.


Same, I was just addressing the "what makes someone a perv" bit.
 
2013-01-25 08:32:45 PM
A "perv" is male. A female perv is "empowered"
 
2013-01-25 08:34:40 PM

WhippingBoy: ProfessorOhki: WhippingBoy: I should qualify that: Why does fulfilling a desire for sex with another consenting adult under mutually agreed upon terms make one a "perv"?

Pervert - Noun A person whose sexual behavior is regarded as abnormal and unacceptable.

Is prostitution regarded as normal and acceptable? If not: pervert. If so: not pervert. So your real question isn't, "why is he a pervert," but rather, "why is our culture unaccepting of prostitution." That one probably has to do with everything from association with organized crime to puritanical religious roots to jealous mates.

No, that's not my question at all. But that really doesn't matter to you, does it?

My point is why not call them both "pervs"? Or if you're going to use dictionary definitions (like "prostitute"), call him a "john". There's a definite value judgement in the use of the word "perv".


"John" was the word I originally wanted to use, and if I knew the word perv (which i have never used before) would be repeated so many times I would have. pervert is a relative term.
 
2013-01-25 08:37:33 PM

WhippingBoy: ProfessorOhki: WhippingBoy: I should qualify that: Why does fulfilling a desire for sex with another consenting adult under mutually agreed upon terms make one a "perv"?

Pervert - Noun A person whose sexual behavior is regarded as abnormal and unacceptable.

Is prostitution regarded as normal and acceptable? If not: pervert. If so: not pervert. So your real question isn't, "why is he a pervert," but rather, "why is our culture unaccepting of prostitution." That one probably has to do with everything from association with organized crime to puritanical religious roots to jealous mates.

No, that's not my question at all. But that really doesn't matter to you, does it?

My point is why not call them both "pervs"? Or if you're going to use dictionary definitions (like "prostitute"), call him a "john". There's a definite value judgement in the use of the word "perv".


Oh, that distinction? Hmm, didn't read yours that way; good question though. I'd say the obvious reason is because prostitute one would assume the prostitute is motivated by the financial aspect than the sexual aspect. I'm not going to reread the thread, but did people generally use both "whore" and "perv" or were they always separate groups? Choosing imbalanced pairs judgement v. dictionary pairs like prostitute/perv and whore/john might be telling about a sex bias in value-judgement. Dunno.

The dictionary definition of perv fits either though.
 
2013-01-25 09:06:43 PM

Shakespeare's Sister: KiwDaWabbit: Shakespeare's Sister: It is unfortunate that she turned out to be that way. Truthfully, both of our stories are anecdotal, so neither really proves anything.

Thanks. And, true; I was just more saying that things tend to lean a certain way. I second unfarkingbelievable's notion that you do seem pretty awesome, though. So, +1 Internets for you.

Thank you both for your kind words, and, you, KiwDaWabbit for the +1.

It has taken me quite a bit of time, and growing up, to realize what is important in a relationship. I think that my bf likes my age bc of the smarts that come with it. I don't play the games that some women do. I tell him what I am thinking and what I want in bed. He does not have to guess. I do not play the "if you knew me, you would know" game or say "nothing" and pout when he asks what is wrong. I do not give the silent treatment or withhold sex. Those are games of the immature. Besides. . .withholding sex.. . that means I don't get any. Fark that. I want to walk funny the next day and be tired. Besides being better lovers, there is a lot to be said for dating a woman 5+ years older than you.


Amen to that! My lady is 6 years older than me and I'm 27.

In my opinion older girls have less psychosis going on. No offense to the younger crowd, but girls my age and under seem to be either wicked hyper or they hear things that aren't said.
 
2013-01-25 10:08:19 PM

Shakespeare's Sister: unfarkingbelievable: I thank you for the kinds words. Truth be told, I found a good country boy. He is a redneck and proud of it. We are very different. I am college educated--Master's in English and a college professor for the past 10 years. I am working on my second Master's in American Military History. He is a man who works with his hands. Never been to college. He works in farming/livestock. He works his ass off. He has taught me a lot about farming and livestock and the entire industry. I have been to livestock auctions and my kids have seen things most won't get to. I feel truly lucky to have him.

There are good men to be found. They are out there. I just had to look outside of my safe, comfortable world of college-educated men to find a different person. Not to say that college-educated men are not good catches, they are, but for me, it was time for something new. He stole my heart the day we met.

Sometimes he says things that betray the fact that he is smarter than he thinks. I know college educated does not always equal smart.


It sounds like you're a far sight happier than you were the last couple of times I noticed you posting. Good for you.
 
2013-01-25 10:10:01 PM
Age isn't always a great indicator.

I'd say that a better one is "stage in life". At the time we broke up, I was 34 and she was about to turn 28. However, she was basically in a stage of life that would typically be representative of a 19 year old.

I think that contributed a lot to our problems, along with both of our baggage.

I only found out the thing about her taking money for sex after we broke up (but, as I said, if I would have known beforehand, there would have never been a relationship).
 
2013-01-25 10:53:09 PM

udhq: Hagenhatesyouall: "Prostitute"?

It's 2013.

Society needs to quit being afraid of farking and accept the fact that the working girl performs a valuable, and therapeutic, service to society.

My first instinct towards prostitution is a libertarian one. Unfortunately, at least around where I live, so many of the so-called "prostitutes" are not here and selling themselves voluntarily.

Until we are able to solve human trafficking, I cannot in good conscience support legalized prostitution. And this is coming from a guy who otherwise supports all kinds of drug/vice decriminalization.


One of the first steps in getting a handle on the human trafficking problem is to legalize prostitution. Once you do that the biggest threat held over the trafficked women is gone. Once it is generally known that the police won't lock you up because you are a whore, and that if you can get away you can walk into a police station and get protected from your captors, well the game is different. Trafficked women would have to be kept under much tighter control by their pimps than they are now. Today, street trafficked prostitutes generally will not talk to the police even if they are busted - their pimp comes and bails them out and they are right back where they were. They feel the stigma that has been dropped on prostitution and distrust anyone in the government. That has to be corrected before you get the victims to be more forthcoming and make it easier for them to help themselves.

In addition, once you legalize prostitution you drive it's price down. The pimps get less money, can afford fewer girls. You redirect the money that was going into human trafficking from the Johns that were really there just to get off. Granted, the truly perverted will still gravitate to the pimps and trafficked women because the legal prostitutes will tell them to take a hike, and call the cops if they don't.

Waiting for the human trafficking problem to be solved before legalizing prostitution is putting the cart before the horse.
BTW - the war on drugs has to end as well - if the girls/women weren't addicts before they were trafficked, you can expect they are after they are controlled by a pimp - being their source of drugs is an easy way that control can be extended. So I don't hold my breath on this one - the "just ban it" crowd can't see their complicity in the human trafficking problem. Monsters the lot of them.
 
2013-01-25 11:12:40 PM
But if we make sex for money illegal then only criminals will have sex for money!


/I swear I had a better gun debate metaphor joke before I went to to the bathroom
 
2013-01-25 11:19:38 PM

ProfessorOhki: LindenFark: udhq: Until we are able to solve human trafficking, I cannot in good conscience support legalized prostitution. And this is coming from a guy who otherwise supports all kinds of drug/vice decriminalization.

Wouldn't legalization provide avenues to solve human trafficking? Once OSHA is involved, it will become a crap low paying job like any other. There will be no need or advantage to forcing people into it. And even if that didn't succeed, wouldn't legalized prostitution at worst not make human trafficking any worse?

You think OSHA would be awkward, just wait until they unionize.


You owe me a keyboard. And 3 gallons of mind bleach. I just had a vision of a Union run bordello. Basically turn everything on it's head.

Instead of you the customer choosing from the women currently available, the women choose you. You get sat down in a waiting room reject chair, and one at a time they come through the room to decide if they are going to "do" you. Unfortunately the come through by descending order of seniority. The longest working one comes in, and if she wants to take your money, that's what you get. Gggnnaaaaahhhh! Think BBW mature if you want a porn genre.

Next you go to a work rule negotiated room that is also OSHA compliant. Overweight fat dude in studded leather harness with ass-less chaps sits in the corner. He's "security". She gets into the adjustable height bed and uses what looks to be a crane remote (ugly yellow, appears to have been dropped 30 times a day) to "assist" herself into position. (BTW - I'm already running for a non-Union shop somewhere else - this nightmare is for everyone else)

Now before you go any further out comes a clipboard with a 15 page stack of rules, and you have to initialize in 5 places. Sign on bottom. One was a medical release form. Security dude waddles over to get the clipboard and passes that on to someone else. He steps out of the room for 5 seconds and has handed that off to someone else. You get told to "make yourself comfortable - this will be a while". You realize you aren't getting into the "bed" until that paperwork is done, and the only other chair is a tall stool the security guy was sitting on. He's been teabagging the stool top for the last 5 years but he offers you the stool to help get undressed.

About 20 minutes later some pretty young chick sticks her head into the room - she's the person your forms went to. You've tried hitting on her the last 4 weekends at a local bar. Guess that's over. She tells the crew "He checks out - have fun!" and bounces her way out.

BTW - you've been on clock the whole time.

/This is what happens when give me bad visions - I share them.
 
2013-01-26 12:06:34 AM
Financially supporting your mistress isn't prostitution.
 
2013-01-26 12:08:01 AM
the Rolling Stones - Some Girls sums up every biatch ever born. like i commented above.
 
2013-01-26 01:30:18 AM
Prostitutes are cheaper than "real" girlfriends.
 
2013-01-26 02:04:11 AM

KiwDaWabbit: Age isn't always a great indicator.

I'd say that a better one is "stage in life". At the time we broke up, I was 34 and she was about to turn 28. However, she was basically in a stage of life that would typically be representative of a 19 year old.

I think that contributed a lot to our problems, along with both of our baggage.

I only found out the thing about her taking money for sex after we broke up (but, as I said, if I would have known beforehand, there would have never been a relationship).


Amen to that. I was a world-weary 23 year old. I know 30 year olds who still can't hold a job because they're always hungover.

And bifford, see my previous post. Any "real" girlfriend worth her salt buys her own car, pays her own bills, and shells out for her own downloadable content for her PS3 games. You're dating the wrong ones, clearly.
 
2013-01-26 02:58:39 AM
People sure do love to be morally outraged, don't they?
 
2013-01-26 10:02:54 AM
I prefer to call them materialistic money grubbing whores.
 
2013-01-26 05:50:21 PM

the_rev: Ross E. Krushan: cookiefleck: The 60 yr old and the 20 yr old are both consenting adults. Why would anyone care? The author of the article sounds like he has a chip on his shoulder.

Says the skank who is a wannabe sugar baby. Yo, if you don't understand why this irks a lot of people, you are a serious moron.

Fcuck. You.


Awww, look at the widdle white knight trying to come to the wescue! Seriously, who the fark are you and why do you feel the need to comment to me? Asshole. Go buy yourself an hour with the $10 hooker on your local street corner. Hint, dont' wear a rubber; hopefully you'll get an STD.
 
2013-01-26 06:58:41 PM
That girl's got more class in a single eyelash, than you can ever hope to achieve. Your posts are proof enough of that.
 
2013-01-26 11:49:04 PM

KiwDaWabbit: ProfessorOhki: Is prostitution regarded as normal and acceptable? If not: pervert. If so: not pervert. So your real question isn't, "why is he a pervert," but rather, "why is our culture unaccepting of prostitution." That one probably has to do with everything from association with organized crime to puritanical religious roots to jealous mates.

In general, I don't really care if people engage in prostitution. If anything, it might distract our culture from it's fixation on violence.

However, on a personal level, since being a former prostitute is a deal-breaker for me in a relationship, I feel like it would be wrong for me to go out and rent one for my own needs (frankly, I wouldn't know where to even start). But I could really give a shiat what other people do as long as it doesn't hurt me, my family, etc.


If more people got laid there'd be less violence.
 
2013-01-27 08:14:53 AM

CigaretteSmokingMan: If more people got laid there'd be less violence.


That's what I said?
 
2013-01-27 03:12:00 PM

vonapathy: Hm, I've always made a point to date men who made less $$$ than me; I deeply, deeply loath the idea sugar baby/daddy relationships, or that I owe a man sex because he paid for X, Y, or Z.

As it were, I'm happily married to a man who currently, and probably always will, earn less $$ than me. If he were to suddenly come into a lot of money, or somehow get massive raise, I know I'd be fairly uncomfortable and insecure with our new arrangement.

Needless to say, I love me some broke n*ggas.


I've been in a few of those relationships but my comfort zone is with my hubby, he makes slightly more than me and I like it when he pays for dinner. But on the big stuff, jumping in for that show we both want to see is more my speed, last year is was Primus 3D on my tab. This year I'm seriously considering Rock on the Range.

/yes our finances are still pretty much independent of each other
//he gets the mortgage
///I get pretty much everything else
////except cars, those are independent too
 
2013-01-27 06:17:07 PM

MycroftHolmes: justanotherfarkinfarker: Hopefully I have the money to get that kind of setup going in my 60's+

My favorite story, probably not a true one, was the millionaire who left it in his will, and made it publicly known, that his estate would go to the last woman he slept with. He guaranteed not only quantity but quality as well (I think foul play was considered a disqualifier).


That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

/One-third to her, two-thirds to the 2nd to last
//Oh the possibilities
///Loves me some free market solutions
 
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