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2013-01-25 10:43:37 AM
In a lot of cases, more like a mistress. You don't generally offer a prostitute dinner, a movie, long term support, housing etc.
 
2013-01-25 11:09:30 AM
Meh, more like a concubine.
 
2013-01-25 11:34:21 AM
Sounds like a wife to me..
 
2013-01-25 12:41:09 PM
If it flies, farks, or floats: Rent it.
 
2013-01-25 01:04:03 PM
Ah modern feminism. It's empowering to degrade yourself for money.
 
2013-01-25 01:05:23 PM

xynix: Sounds like a wife to me..


Except for the "sex" part.

In any case, I heartily endorse this product and/or service.
 
2013-01-25 01:06:26 PM

WTF Indeed: Ah modern feminism. It's empowering to degrade yourself for money.


not sure if trolling, or just stupid.
 
2013-01-25 01:06:30 PM

WhippingBoy: xynix: Sounds like a wife to me..

Except for the "sex" part.

In any case, I heartily endorse this product and/or service.


Also, you don't lose half your shiat when you get a new one.
 
2013-01-25 01:06:49 PM
Im sure they do it for the love.......of money
 
2013-01-25 01:07:17 PM

WTF Indeed: Ah modern feminism. It's empowering to degrade yourself for money.


8/10. This hook will be swallowed.
 
2013-01-25 01:07:28 PM
No equivalent service for male students, I take it?
 
2013-01-25 01:07:58 PM
Now I ain't saying she's a gold digger...
 
2013-01-25 01:08:15 PM
whoo-weres
 
2013-01-25 01:09:25 PM

St_Francis_P: In a lot of cases, more like a mistress. You don't generally offer a prostitute dinner, a movie, long term support, housing etc.


This.

If he is paying your way and you are expected to be at his beck and call for what ever reason, sex, companionship, escorting, you're his mistress. It's a step up from street walking, and probably its probably safer.
 
2013-01-25 01:09:39 PM
 
2013-01-25 01:10:32 PM
Do they still make those candies?
How could they be sooo good, and the sugar daddy, so... unappealing?
 
2013-01-25 01:10:57 PM
all women are whores. The only thing that changes are the terms of the contract.
 
2013-01-25 01:11:39 PM
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-25 01:12:49 PM

LemSkroob: all women are whores. The only thing that changes are the terms of the contract.


Why do I get the feeling you have more than one ex-wife?
 
2013-01-25 01:13:09 PM
Rich men who only date beautiful women, normal. Beautiful women who only date rich men, gold digging whores. Got it
 
2013-01-25 01:13:14 PM
Her first name is Lovely, her mom somehow knew her future.
 
2013-01-25 01:13:15 PM
Fashion Institute of Technology?  Those words don't even belong in the same article together.
 
2013-01-25 01:13:54 PM

WTF Indeed: Ah modern feminism. It's empowering to degrade yourself for money.


I was almost pissed off.... but sadly that has more than a slight bit of truth to it.
 
2013-01-25 01:13:56 PM

Kazan: not sure if trolling, or just stupid.


Not trolling, not stupid. More a set up for the people that will come into the thread claiming we shouldn't call them whores because they are free to do what they want because it's empowering.
 
2013-01-25 01:13:59 PM
I guess my fiance could be considered a Sugar Baby, I'm 38 she's 19, oh well if it works great if it doesn't almost all my assets are in a trust for my 6 year old daughter anyway. (Result of my late wife's estate)

/She also has no problem with a pre-nup her idea actually
 
2013-01-25 01:14:44 PM

MooseOnTheLoose: St_Francis_P: In a lot of cases, more like a mistress. You don't generally offer a prostitute dinner, a movie, long term support, housing etc.

This.

If he is paying your way and you are expected to be at his beck and call for what ever reason, sex, companionship, escorting, you're his mistress. It's a step up from street walking, and probably its probably safer.


Yup, that's straight-out mistress status. My guess is the general public just *really* doesn't like the idea that women might *unashamedly* exploit their body for financial gain. But nooo, they're in love with their balding, pudgy financial analyst husband. Really.

//The only thing these girls are doing "wrong" is openly admitting the big lie.
 
2013-01-25 01:14:53 PM
Didn't study in school, too busy having sex with popular, cute guys.

Now wants a real job and career, can only afford it by having sex with gross, bristly, wrinkly old men.


CIRCLE OF LIFE.
 
2013-01-25 01:15:04 PM

WTF Indeed: LemSkroob: all women are whores. The only thing that changes are the terms of the contract.

Why do I get the feeling you have more than one ex-wife?


That doesn't make him wrong.
 
2013-01-25 01:15:20 PM
Can you be a corn syrup daddy?
 
2013-01-25 01:15:57 PM

xynix: Sounds like a wife to me..


iq_in_binary: Meh, more like a concubine.


What's the difference between a wife and a concubine?  Concubines don't do windows.
 
2013-01-25 01:17:15 PM

QueenMamaBee: WTF Indeed: Ah modern feminism. It's empowering to degrade yourself for money.

I was almost pissed off.... but sadly that has more than a slight bit of truth to it.


What's so bad about it? All I can see is win/win!

Us dirty old bastards get some hot young tail, and the hot young tail gets to... um... "empower" themselves. Or something.
No one loses!
 
2013-01-25 01:17:25 PM

bighairyguy: xynix: Sounds like a wife to me..

iq_in_binary: Meh, more like a concubine.

What's the difference between a wife and a concubine?  Concubines don't do windows.


yes but concubines have teh sexors
 
2013-01-25 01:17:27 PM
Screwing people for benefits is useful. I had to do it when I lost my dotcom job back in 2001. I was able to live on my own from savings until around 2002, but after that I had to whore myself out to the females I knew (or met) so I could have a place to live. I couch-surfed for about a year before I finally found work - at the same job I have now.

/Izhn't dat veird?
 
2013-01-25 01:17:38 PM

groppet: Im sure they do it for the love.......of money


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2013-01-25 01:17:48 PM

uncleacid: Can you be a corn syrup daddy?


Just as sweet, but worse in the long run and subsidized by the feds?
 
2013-01-25 01:17:50 PM

WTF Indeed: Kazan: not sure if trolling, or just stupid.

Not trolling, not stupid. More a set up for the people that will come into the thread claiming we shouldn't call them whores because they are free to do what they want because it's empowering.


Nono, they're still whores.

Some of us don't think of "whore" as being negative, though.

// also, a rich dude who has to pay for it?
// I'd say HE'S the one being degraded - he'll die with nothing to show for those $1,000 a pop sheet-romps but a probate fight
 
2013-01-25 01:17:58 PM

kombat_unit: WTF Indeed: LemSkroob: all women are whores. The only thing that changes are the terms of the contract.

Why do I get the feeling you have more than one ex-wife?

That doesn't make him wrong.


If you have any wives, ex or not, it pretty much makes you always wrong
 
2013-01-25 01:18:03 PM
Yeah, the author of the article seems to be the one that's confused as to what prostitution entails. Legally, it's only if someone pays directly for a sexual act in cash, goods, or services. If the relationship goes beyond sex (like, you're hanging out on a regular basis) and the sex isn't directly tied to compensation (like, every blowjob results in one gram of meth or whatever) then it's not prostitution.

Buying shiat for the person you're sleeping with in general is just dating.
 
2013-01-25 01:18:04 PM
The 60 yr old and the 20 yr old are both consenting adults. Why would anyone care? The author of the article sounds like he has a chip on his shoulder.
 
2013-01-25 01:18:07 PM
Batshiat insane people like myself (ok, technically I'm not over 50, yet) might recall a term from another generation. To wit, "trick." As in turning tricks. Fran Lebowitz wrote a hilarious article called "notes on trick" that satirized the 'sugar babies' of the the 1970s. There doesn't seem to be a direct link to it on-line, sadly.

LemSkroob: all women are whores. The only thing that changes are the terms of the contract.


No, not all.

There are nuns.
 
2013-01-25 01:18:22 PM
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So I told my kid `It's my money and if I want to use it to blow dust up some poon's tang then it's my own g'damn business!'
♫ ♫ ♫ ♫ ♫ ♫
Audrey, everytime you wiggle
Darling, you put me in trouble
You torture me, the way you wine
I love to see your fat behind

Sugar bum, sugar bum-bum
Sugar bum, sugar bum-bum
Sugar bum, sugar bum-bum
♫ ♫ ♫ ♫ ♫ ♫
 
2013-01-25 01:18:43 PM
Who really cares? They're using each other equally.
 
2013-01-25 01:19:11 PM

MooseOnTheLoose: St_Francis_P: In a lot of cases, more like a mistress. You don't generally offer a prostitute dinner, a movie, long term support, housing etc.

This.

If he is paying your way and you are expected to be at his beck and call for what ever reason, sex, companionship, escorting, you're his mistress. It's a step up from street walking, and probably its probably safer.


Sounds like a prostitute that's on call. Mistress makes it sound like there's some affection there, as if she would be interested in a 70 year old who wasn't a millionaire.
 
2013-01-25 01:20:28 PM
Who cares what two consenting adults do with each other and why. FFS let people do what they wanna do.
 
2013-01-25 01:21:14 PM

kombat_unit: WTF Indeed: LemSkroob: all women are whores. The only thing that changes are the terms of the contract.

Why do I get the feeling you have more than one ex-wife?

That doesn't make him wrong.


It does suggest they were well justified in become ex-wifes and any financial benefits they might have got out of it are undoubtedly not worth anything like enough compared to what they had to put up with.
 
2013-01-25 01:21:21 PM
"And to be honest, I like being independent."

Me thinks you do not understand the concept.
 
2013-01-25 01:21:22 PM

WTF Indeed: Ah modern feminism. It's empowering to degrade yourself for money.


I think a feminist would take issue with the idea that having sex with multiple partners is "degrading" for a young woman but status quo for a young man. I would imagine they would agree that the "for money" part is still bad.
 
2013-01-25 01:21:48 PM
On one hand, semanitcs aside, this is pretty much prostitution. On the other hand, cases like this that push the boundaries between legal behavior (dating\marrying someone for financial security) and illegal behavior just serve to illustrate that prostitution should be legal and regulated. This arbitrary line of when it is ok to leverage your physical assets and when it is not is, well, arbitrary.
 
2013-01-25 01:21:54 PM

WhippingBoy: QueenMamaBee: WTF Indeed: Ah modern feminism. It's empowering to degrade yourself for money.

I was almost pissed off.... but sadly that has more than a slight bit of truth to it.

What's so bad about it? All I can see is win/win!

Us dirty old bastards get some hot young tail, and the hot young tail gets to... um... "empower" themselves. Or something.
No one loses!


I say use em while you got em, but I feel sorry for these girls once they're not so young and not so hot. I hope they put some of that money in their savings accounts, because Lord knows most of 'em don't have a brain in their heads to use when they need a "real" job.
 
2013-01-25 01:21:56 PM

Dr Dreidel: I'd say HE'S the one being degraded - he'll die with nothing to show for those $1,000 a pop sheet-romps but a probate fight


You can't take it with you, ya know?
 
2013-01-25 01:21:59 PM

bighairyguy: xynix: Sounds like a wife to me..

iq_in_binary: Meh, more like a concubine.

What's the difference between a wife and a concubine?  Concubines don't do windows.


And they're skilled in the Weirding Ways.

web.mit.edu
 
2013-01-25 01:22:28 PM

WTF Indeed: Kazan: not sure if trolling, or just stupid.

Not trolling, not stupid. More a set up for the people that will come into the thread claiming we shouldn't call them whores because they are free to do what they want because it's empowering.


so both trolling AND stupid. gotcha.
 
2013-01-25 01:23:30 PM
As the meme says, "I'm ok with this".
 
2013-01-25 01:23:36 PM
It's a good bang for your buck.
 
2013-01-25 01:24:10 PM

Jim_Callahan: Yeah, the author of the article seems to be the one that's confused as to what prostitution entails. Legally, it's only if someone pays directly for a sexual act in cash, goods, or services. If the relationship goes beyond sex (like, you're hanging out on a regular basis) and the sex isn't directly tied to compensation (like, every blowjob results in one gram of meth or whatever) then it's not prostitution.

Buying shiat for the person you're sleeping with in general is just dating.


So, you can skirt the law by paying for companionship, with the implied understanding that if the sex stops, you will buy your companionship elsewhere? While that may pass legal muster, it is still, in principal, prostitution.
 
2013-01-25 01:24:23 PM

EnglishMan: MooseOnTheLoose: St_Francis_P: In a lot of cases, more like a mistress. You don't generally offer a prostitute dinner, a movie, long term support, housing etc.

This.

If he is paying your way and you are expected to be at his beck and call for what ever reason, sex, companionship, escorting, you're his mistress. It's a step up from street walking, and probably its probably safer.

Sounds like a prostitute that's on call. Mistress makes it sound like there's some affection there, as if she would be interested in a 70 year old who wasn't a millionaire.


I'd be more inclined to agree with you if the girls aren't monogamous. If they are I believe the proper term is Gold-digger.
 
2013-01-25 01:24:24 PM

unyon: If it flies, farks, or floats: Rent it.


This is now my life motto, thank you kind sir.
 
2013-01-25 01:24:45 PM
Hey, if someone was going to pay off all your credit cards and all you had to do was eat some dried up beef jerky, wouldn't you do it?
 
2013-01-25 01:24:56 PM

JohnAnnArbor: No equivalent service for male students, I take it?


Most young males hook up with old crones because they (the young males) are horny and the crones are giving it away for free. There's not a lot of forward planning going on in the mind of a young man.
 
2013-01-25 01:25:06 PM

cgraves67: WTF Indeed: Ah modern feminism. It's empowering to degrade yourself for money.

I think a feminist would take issue with the idea that having sex with multiple partners is "degrading" for a young woman but status quo for a young man. I would imagine they would agree that the "for money" part is still bad.


I was under the impression that the current iteration of feminist thought views sex basically thus: "a woman can have sex with whomever she wants, whenever she wants, for any reason she wants, and not have her character judged differently than a man engaged in similar acts. Also, while a woman CAN do these things, such acts should never be expected, demanded, or implied, and whatever behavior she engages in, she should never be viewed as less than a complete human being worthy of respect".
 
2013-01-25 01:25:33 PM

Tom_Slick: I guess my fiance could be considered a Sugar Baby, I'm 38 she's 19, oh well if it works great if it doesn't almost all my assets are in a trust for my 6 year old daughter anyway. (Result of my late wife's estate)

/She also has no problem with a pre-nup her idea actually


It can work. I knew a couple that were together for 35 years until his death. He was 22 yrs older than her and they were very happy together. They have normal kids and grandkids so it does work.
 
2013-01-25 01:27:02 PM
Honestly, I've got way more of a problem with the "daddy/baby" nomenclature than I am by the arrangement. It'd be hard to definitively separate this from a couple where one partner worked while the other went to school. I guess you could differentiate based on co-habitation, but that's not exactly a great standard.

I mean, c'mon, the terminology is just plain creepy.
 
2013-01-25 01:28:06 PM
I wish I made enough money to have my very own hot college coed. Or two.
 
2013-01-25 01:28:39 PM
Of course they understand the definition of prostitution. They avoid the term because it is illegal, not because they are delusional.
 
2013-01-25 01:28:49 PM
"Prostitute"?

It's 2013.

Society needs to quit being afraid of farking and accept the fact that the working girl performs a valuable, and therapeutic, service to society.
 
2013-01-25 01:28:55 PM
Sugar Babies?
24.media.tumblr.com

/Hot like Perri's chest
 
2013-01-25 01:29:47 PM
How about this? Who gives a fark? If the woman is not being abused, is benefiting financially and is comfortable with the arrangement, then farking leave well enough alone. Don't we have far bigger problems in this country than worrying about whether two consenting adults are farking for love, or money? Or maybe it's love of money. The point is, I don't care and so shouldn't anybody else.
 
2013-01-25 01:29:49 PM

IAMTHEINTARWEBS: It can work. I knew a couple that were together for 35 years until his death. He was 22 yrs older than her and they were very happy together. They have normal kids and grandkids so it does work.


I hope it does, just worry because she is young and may wake up one day and wonder why she is with some old guy. we talk about it she doesn't see age as an issue. On a plus side she does provide motivation to go to the gym 6 days a week.
 
2013-01-25 01:30:54 PM
So what? They found a whore they could kiss.
 
2013-01-25 01:31:07 PM

Lexx: cgraves67: WTF Indeed: Ah modern feminism. It's empowering to degrade yourself for money.

I think a feminist would take issue with the idea that having sex with multiple partners is "degrading" for a young woman but status quo for a young man. I would imagine they would agree that the "for money" part is still bad.

I was under the impression that the current iteration of feminist thought views sex basically thus: "a woman can have sex with whomever she wants, whenever she wants, for any reason she wants, and not have her character judged differently than a man engaged in similar acts. Also, while a woman CAN do these things, such acts should never be expected, demanded, or implied, and whatever behavior she engages in, she should never be viewed as less than a complete human being worthy of respect".


If that definition were accurate, those adhering to it would be up in arms that women teachers are treated so much more leniently when caught with a student. You probably need to change "not have her character judged differently than a man engaged in similar acts" to " not have her character judged more harshly than a man engaged in similar acts."
 
2013-01-25 01:32:08 PM
Meet woman at bar, go out to dinner, dancing, movie, then have sex - legal.
Meet woman at bar, give her the money you WOULD have spent on dinner, dancing, movie, then have sex - illegal.

WTF? The only difference is who gets the money. As far as the guy is concerned, it's still spent either way.
 
2013-01-25 01:32:41 PM

ProfessorOhki: Lexx: cgraves67: WTF Indeed: Ah modern feminism. It's empowering to degrade yourself for money.

I think a feminist would take issue with the idea that having sex with multiple partners is "degrading" for a young woman but status quo for a young man. I would imagine they would agree that the "for money" part is still bad.

I was under the impression that the current iteration of feminist thought views sex basically thus: "a woman can have sex with whomever she wants, whenever she wants, for any reason she wants, and not have her character judged differently than a man engaged in similar acts. Also, while a woman CAN do these things, such acts should never be expected, demanded, or implied, and whatever behavior she engages in, she should never be viewed as less than a complete human being worthy of respect".

If that definition were accurate, those adhering to it would be up in arms that women teachers are treated so much more leniently when caught with a student. You probably need to change "not have her character judged differently than a man engaged in similar acts" to " not have her character judged more harshly than a man engaged in similar acts."


I'm an optimist.
 
2013-01-25 01:33:42 PM
If they're both up front about it, who cares?

My last relationship was built on her lies. In the end, that's a lot more destructive than this arrangement.
 
2013-01-25 01:34:02 PM
Enjoy the ride honey, your replacement just a financial aid rejection letter.
 
2013-01-25 01:34:28 PM
HOORS
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2013-01-25 01:34:42 PM

ProfessorOhki: Lexx: cgraves67: WTF Indeed: Ah modern feminism. It's empowering to degrade yourself for money.

I think a feminist would take issue with the idea that having sex with multiple partners is "degrading" for a young woman but status quo for a young man. I would imagine they would agree that the "for money" part is still bad.

I was under the impression that the current iteration of feminist thought views sex basically thus: "a woman can have sex with whomever she wants, whenever she wants, for any reason she wants, and not have her character judged differently than a man engaged in similar acts. Also, while a woman CAN do these things, such acts should never be expected, demanded, or implied, and whatever behavior she engages in, she should never be viewed as less than a complete human being worthy of respect".

If that definition were accurate, those adhering to it would be up in arms that women teachers are treated so much more leniently when caught with a student. You probably need to change "not have her character judged differently than a man engaged in similar acts" to " not have her character judged more harshly than a man engaged in similar acts."


I'd go on to say " not have her character judged," as I've known some people who consider any criticism of a woman, for any reason, to be misogyny.
 
2013-01-25 01:35:34 PM
When I was unemployed my girlfriend was still banging me.  I think she's a keeper.
 
2013-01-25 01:35:44 PM
I knew a lot of women who went on a date because they were hungry.

"Unless I really, really get hungry, I never want to see you again, Harry."
 
2013-01-25 01:35:50 PM
currently, there is an interesting documentary running on Netflix called "Whore's Glory"
https://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Whores%27%20Glory/70222627?trkid=4 3 8403

It depicts prostitute life in Thailand, Bangladesh and Mexico, day in the life style with straight objectivity.

It begins in Thailand in a fish tank style brothel where business is brisk and competitive. It then goes to Bangladesh in a red light district where life is extremely cheap, and high in degradation and despair. Mexico is depicted as a corrupt and dangerous, but you do get the feeling of the three, Mexican prostitutes seem to have most control over individual fate. Thai working girls are most 'business as usual', Bangladesh is straight out of Dante.
 
2013-01-25 01:35:55 PM

cookiefleck: The 60 yr old and the 20 yr old are both consenting adults. Why would anyone care? The author of the article sounds like he has a chip on his shoulder.


Because it is wrong, if we allow people to get away with such relationships where both partners are happy, mutually agree to a relationship, and are not obligated to get married for sex then where will it end!? Why, why next thing you know we will allow homosexuals to marry, adults will be farking turtles.

No, the only relationship that is allowed is the one sanctified by god through marriage with out the relief of divorce, got to protect the sanctity of marriage, and both people end up miserable.
 
2013-01-25 01:36:50 PM

you_idiot: It's a good bang for your buck.


If that's the exchange rate, sign me up!

/ More of a Nutrasweet Daddy than a Sugar Daddy
 
2013-01-25 01:37:14 PM
Hopefully I have the money to get that kind of setup going in my 60's+
 
2013-01-25 01:37:35 PM
"I am really strict with my sexual partners," Phillips says, "and this is a monogamous relationship."

LOL.
 
2013-01-25 01:37:51 PM

ShawnDoc: Sugar Babies?
[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x376]

/Hot like Perri's chest


Came here to say this, obviously. Leaving happy.
 
2013-01-25 01:37:59 PM

rustypouch: ProfessorOhki: Lexx: cgraves67: WTF Indeed: Ah modern feminism. It's empowering to degrade yourself for money.

I think a feminist would take issue with the idea that having sex with multiple partners is "degrading" for a young woman but status quo for a young man. I would imagine they would agree that the "for money" part is still bad.

I was under the impression that the current iteration of feminist thought views sex basically thus: "a woman can have sex with whomever she wants, whenever she wants, for any reason she wants, and not have her character judged differently than a man engaged in similar acts. Also, while a woman CAN do these things, such acts should never be expected, demanded, or implied, and whatever behavior she engages in, she should never be viewed as less than a complete human being worthy of respect".

If that definition were accurate, those adhering to it would be up in arms that women teachers are treated so much more leniently when caught with a student. You probably need to change "not have her character judged differently than a man engaged in similar acts" to " not have her character judged more harshly than a man engaged in similar acts."

I'd go on to say " not have her character judged," as I've known some people who consider any criticism of a woman, for any reason, to be misogyny.


Judged by whom and in what capacity? As free-thinking human beings, we have a right to judge anyone for any reason. The problems seem to start when that internal judgement turns into negative actions...
 
2013-01-25 01:38:17 PM

rustypouch: I'd go on to say " not have her character judged," as I've known some people who consider any criticism of a woman, for any reason, to be misogyny.


I have found that many feminists want superiority, not equality because equality cuts both ways.
 
2013-01-25 01:38:29 PM
Note to self: Some women are whores, and more might live in NYC where the cost of living is higher.

Question: Would you date these old men if you had money to piss away?

Whore Answer: Well duh... no.

An older cougar, that was mighty attractive for her age, wanted to bang me for the simple fact of her not wanting "old balls", and she was in her mid-late 40's. I also knew FIT Students. They never work in fashion, unless it's retail.
 
2013-01-25 01:38:50 PM

rufus-t-firefly: "I am really strict with my sexual partners," Phillips says, "and this is a monogamous relationship."

LOL.


Yeah, exactly.  Like she's not getting plowed by the Columbia rowing team on a regular basis.
 
2013-01-25 01:39:07 PM

Southern100: Meet woman at bar, go out to dinner, dancing, movie, then have sex - legal.
Meet woman at bar, give her the money you WOULD have spent on dinner, dancing, movie, then have sex - illegal.

WTF? The only difference is who gets the money. As far as the guy is concerned, it's still spent either way.


I may be getting trolled, but...these girls would have ZERO interest in a poor old man. A "real" date is more than just your desire for sex and her desire for money. If you've never gone on a date for any reason other than trying to get laid, I feel very sorry for you.
 
2013-01-25 01:39:38 PM
I live on a college campus and I have money, where can I sign up?

I just have to convince the gf that if we pool our money together we could afford TWO instead of just one.
 
2013-01-25 01:39:40 PM

bighairyguy: Fashion Ins


It's actually a pretty large, prestigious school for people who want to go into that industry.

Although, I'd say 90% of the people who go there are rich girls who just love Gucci and other expensive brands and end up dropping out after a semester because the coursework is actually challenging and they have to learn about textiles, fabrics, design, etc. instead of just shopping and looking at magazines.
 
2013-01-25 01:39:54 PM

justanotherfarkinfarker: Hopefully I have the money to get that kind of setup going in my 60's+


My favorite story, probably not a true one, was the millionaire who left it in his will, and made it publicly known, that his estate would go to the last woman he slept with. He guaranteed not only quantity but quality as well (I think foul play was considered a disqualifier).
 
2013-01-25 01:40:49 PM

ignorotic: If you've never gone on a date for any reason other than trying to get laid, I feel very sorry for you. you're a guy.

FTFY
 
2013-01-25 01:40:54 PM
That's odd, my financial advisor is usually extremely thorough but he didn't even bring up the "coed poon" facet of my retirement planning.
 
2013-01-25 01:41:25 PM

QueenMamaBee: WTF Indeed: Ah modern feminism. It's empowering to degrade yourself for money.

I was almost pissed off.... but sadly that has more than a slight bit of truth to it.


We should all have the power to do what we want to with our lives. Feminism aims to guarantee that power equally to women.

The sad thing is when what we choose to do with our power is degrade ourselves. That has nothing to do with feminism, and it should be equally sad no matter who is doing it.
 
2013-01-25 01:42:00 PM
Hell I paid plenty in dinners, tickets and rings, when I was young and hot.
I ain't paying for squat now that I'm old.
I ain't getting squat, but I sure as hell ain't paying for none.

And I don't have to put up with all that yakkin', neither.
/Adjusts onion.
 
2013-01-25 01:42:16 PM

ignorotic: Southern100: Meet woman at bar, go out to dinner, dancing, movie, then have sex - legal.
Meet woman at bar, give her the money you WOULD have spent on dinner, dancing, movie, then have sex - illegal.

WTF? The only difference is who gets the money. As far as the guy is concerned, it's still spent either way.

I may be getting trolled, but...these girls would have ZERO interest in a poor old man. A "real" date is more than just your desire for sex and her desire for money. If you've never gone on a date for any reason other than trying to get laid, I feel very sorry for you.


So, emotionless hookups for mutual satisfaction should be outlawed as well? Only dates as a precursor to relationships should be allowed?
 
2013-01-25 01:43:44 PM
As a guy who lost a gorgeous 24 year old girlfriend to a 58 year old guy on sugardaddyforme.com, I say fark these sites and anyone who uses them.
I told her it was prostitution, she didn't see it that way...

And, honestly, I am in favor of legalizing prostitution, but still these sites suck. They turn normal girls into prostitutes by calling them "sugar babies" and "sugar daddies" instead of "hoes" and "pervs".
 
2013-01-25 01:44:21 PM

brap


That's odd, my financial advisor is usually extremely thorough but he didn't even bring up the "coed poon" facet of my retirement planning.


My friend, you need a new broker.


Broker? I just met her!
 
2013-01-25 01:45:08 PM

Kazan: WTF Indeed: Ah modern feminism. It's empowering to degrade yourself for money.

not sure if trolling, or just stupid.


Neither, I'd say he hit the nail on the head here.
 
2013-01-25 01:45:19 PM

LazerFish: As a guy who lost a gorgeous 24 year old girlfriend to a 58 year old guy on sugardaddyforme.com, I say fark these sites and anyone who uses them.
I told her it was prostitution, she didn't see it that way...

And, honestly, I am in favor of legalizing prostitution, but still these sites suck. They turn normal girls into prostitutes by calling them "sugar babies" and "sugar daddies" instead of "hoes" and "pervs".


That sucks, man. I feel for you, but at least you found out her character while she was "just" your girlfriend.
 
2013-01-25 01:45:48 PM

Tom_Slick: I guess my fiance could be considered a Sugar Baby, I'm 38 she's 19, oh well if it works great if it doesn't almost all my assets are in a trust for my 6 year old daughter anyway. (Result of my late wife's estate)

/She also has no problem with a pre-nup her idea actually




Regardless of the pre-nup (which is fine), I'd be more weary of when she turns 21 and wants to stay out and party all the time. You think you can keep up with that?
 
2013-01-25 01:46:15 PM

LazerFish: And, honestly, I am in favor of legalizing prostitution, but still these sites suck. They turn normal girls into prostitutes by calling them "sugar babies" and "sugar daddies" instead of "hoes" and "pervs".


Why is it that we call old men who like younger women "pervs", but we call old women who like younger men "teachers"?
 
2013-01-25 01:46:21 PM

Harry Freakstorm: I knew a lot of women who went on a date because they were hungry.

"Unless I really, really get hungry, I never want to see you again, Harry."


After my gf and I broke up, she'd call when she was hungry at night.

Is trading fast food for sex considered prostitution?
 
2013-01-25 01:46:34 PM

IAMTHEINTARWEBS: Tom_Slick: I guess my fiance could be considered a Sugar Baby, I'm 38 she's 19, oh well if it works great if it doesn't almost all my assets are in a trust for my 6 year old daughter anyway. (Result of my late wife's estate)

/She also has no problem with a pre-nup her idea actually

It can work. I knew a couple that were together for 35 years until his death. He was 22 yrs older than her and they were very happy together. They have normal kids and grandkids so it does work.


I also know a married couple with a rather wide age gap: he is in his late sixties and she is in her mid-forties. They have a ten-year-old daughter and are very realistic about their situation. They have all the right kinds of insurance and are actually making plans right now for her and their daughter's lives after he passes on. They even had the talk about "yes, I want you to remarry." I thought it was weird that all this came up in a normal conversation, but I guess it shows that they have a solid relationship. Also, thinking back on it, I wonder if she was hitting on me?

/ nah
 
2013-01-25 01:46:47 PM

LazerFish: As a guy who lost a gorgeous 24 year old girlfriend to a 58 year old guy on sugardaddyforme.com, I say fark these sites and anyone who uses them.
I told her it was prostitution, she didn't see it that way...

And, honestly, I am in favor of legalizing prostitution, but still these sites suck. They turn normal girls into prostitutes by calling them "sugar babies" and "sugar daddies" instead of "hoes" and "pervs".


When the only thing that was preventing your girlfriend from trading sexual favors for money was "she didn't know it was legal & easy to do", I think she might not have been such a gem to begin with.
 
2013-01-25 01:47:09 PM

LazerFish: As a guy who lost a gorgeous 24 year old girlfriend to a 58 year old guy on sugardaddyforme.com, I say fark these sites and anyone who uses them.
I told her it was prostitution, she didn't see it that way...

And, honestly, I am in favor of legalizing prostitution, but still these sites suck. They turn normal girls into prostitutes by calling them "sugar babies" and "sugar daddies" instead of "hoes" and "pervs".


Rest easy knowing that she has lost track of how many times his wrinkly balls have been in her mouth.
 
2013-01-25 01:47:58 PM
If receiving some degree of financial security in a relationship is prostitution, then likely 90% of all marriages are prostitution.
 
2013-01-25 01:48:11 PM

tricycleracer: rufus-t-firefly: "I am really strict with my sexual partners," Phillips says, "and this is a monogamous relationship."

LOL.

Yeah, exactly.  Like she's not getting plowed by the Columbia rowing team on a regular basis.


Well, that's not a "relationship."

Her relationship is monogamous. Her side-dick from guys who can maintain erections doesn't count as it's not part of a financial transaction relationship.
 
2013-01-25 01:48:17 PM

MycroftHolmes: ignorotic: Southern100: Meet woman at bar, go out to dinner, dancing, movie, then have sex - legal.
Meet woman at bar, give her the money you WOULD have spent on dinner, dancing, movie, then have sex - illegal.

WTF? The only difference is who gets the money. As far as the guy is concerned, it's still spent either way.

I may be getting trolled, but...these girls would have ZERO interest in a poor old man. A "real" date is more than just your desire for sex and her desire for money. If you've never gone on a date for any reason other than trying to get laid, I feel very sorry for you.

So, emotionless hookups for mutual satisfaction should be outlawed as well? Only dates as a precursor to relationships should be allowed?


Wow, working out on that Jump to Conclusions Mat, eh? Let me reiterate: If you've never gone on a date for any other reason than to get laid, I feel sorry for you. I never said ban casual sex. I never said you should ALWAYS be emotionally attached to someone you are casually dating, I never said there was a single thing wrong with casual sex. In other words, I feel sorry for someone who has never had more of an attachment to a woman other than the desire for sex.
 
2013-01-25 01:48:30 PM
But Phillips-who wasn't yet born when Nirvana's Nevermind was first released

tubbotwins.files.wordpress.com
So, baby chasing a dollar (boy but whatever).

Smells Like Teen Spirit <- stop giggling
In Bloom <- or no money
Come As You Are <- at his age?
Breed <- with grandkids older?
Territorial Pissings <- that's for the young bucks, he's just saving his incontinence for home
Drain You <- that's understood right?
Lounge Act <- impressive isn't she
Stay Away <- don't listen to your ex wife
 
2013-01-25 01:49:10 PM

KiwDaWabbit: LazerFish: As a guy who lost a gorgeous 24 year old girlfriend to a 58 year old guy on sugardaddyforme.com, I say fark these sites and anyone who uses them.
I told her it was prostitution, she didn't see it that way...

And, honestly, I am in favor of legalizing prostitution, but still these sites suck. They turn normal girls into prostitutes by calling them "sugar babies" and "sugar daddies" instead of "hoes" and "pervs".

That sucks, man. I feel for you, but at least you found out her character while she was "just" your girlfriend.


yeah, i got everything they got, but for free, so I can't complain too much ha ha. After a year or so of going from guy to guy on that site, she suddenly found religion and became super christian, so yeah, I dodged a bullet there.
 
2013-01-25 01:49:58 PM

rufus-t-firefly: tricycleracer: rufus-t-firefly: "I am really strict with my sexual partners," Phillips says, "and this is a monogamous relationship."

LOL.

Yeah, exactly.  Like she's not getting plowed by the Columbia rowing team on a regular basis.

Well, that's not a "relationship."

Her relationship is monogamous. Her side-dick from guys who can maintain erections doesn't count as it's not part of a financial transaction relationship.


"I'm faithful to him.  I don't let anyone else buy me presents."
 
2013-01-25 01:50:37 PM

tricycleracer: LazerFish: As a guy who lost a gorgeous 24 year old girlfriend to a 58 year old guy on sugardaddyforme.com, I say fark these sites and anyone who uses them.
I told her it was prostitution, she didn't see it that way...

And, honestly, I am in favor of legalizing prostitution, but still these sites suck. They turn normal girls into prostitutes by calling them "sugar babies" and "sugar daddies" instead of "hoes" and "pervs".

Rest easy knowing that she has lost track of how many times his wrinkly balls have been in her mouth.


But there's a bonus for her - she doesn't have to be anywhere near his asshole for him to teabag her.

/low-hanging fruit
 
2013-01-25 01:50:52 PM
Ahh, this argument again.

The fault is of the economy. It is easier (for a limited number of women) to find guys willing to pay for their life style in exchange for certain benefits, than to go out and find a job that will give them enough money to live. Sorry Walmart, your 16 hours a week max won't support anyone, especially since you shift hours around to make it impossible for someone to have a second job. It really sucks when the only options are to be 'on the street' or 'on the street with a few bucks in your pocket but not enough to put a roof over your head.'
 
2013-01-25 01:51:15 PM

brap: That's odd, my financial advisor is usually extremely thorough but he didn't even bring up the "coed poon" facet of my retirement planning.


You should ask, he's probably got binders full of prospectuses on the shelf.
 
2013-01-25 01:51:26 PM

WTF Indeed: Kazan: not sure if trolling, or just stupid.

Not trolling, not stupid. More a set up for the people that will come into the thread claiming we shouldn't call them whores because they are free to do what they want because it's empowering.


Well if you think these women are whores then basically any relationship between a man and woman (even marriage) means the woman is a whore.

Why do women marry? Financial security for herself and her off-spring. In other words...money.

The women in the article are no more whores and prostitutes than a stay-at-home wife is.
 
2013-01-25 01:52:53 PM
And I'm a social loser for spending my twenties home alone playing computer games rather than chasing skanks just as happy to do a mummy for money as date a real person?

Meh, consenting adults should be able to do whatever they want for whatever they need as long as it doesn't bother anyone else. Let the skanks roam free.
 
2013-01-25 01:53:09 PM
Some girls seem to find out early
How to open doors with just a smile
A rich old man, she won't have to worry,
He dress her in the latest going style.


Yes, Don did have that right.
 
2013-01-25 01:54:24 PM
Close2TheEdge: "How about this? Who gives a fark? If the woman is not being abused, is benefiting financially and is comfortable with the arrangement, then farking leave well enough alone. Don't we have far bigger problems in this country than worrying about whether two consenting adults are farking for love, or money? Or maybe it's love of money. The point is, I don't care and so shouldn't anybody else."

Hmm, sounds like a normal, non-judgmental, thoroughly reasonable approach. Are you sure you want to be commenting here on fark?

In the immortal words of the lovely and talented Kelly Bundy, "We're all liars and you're all idiots. The prostitution rests."
 
2013-01-25 01:56:00 PM

jlawn001: Do they still make those candies?
How could they be sooo good, and the sugar daddy, so... unappealing?


It's nature's way.
 
2013-01-25 01:56:16 PM
Hmmm. I think the telling part is not how these women view "Sugar Babying" but how they view traditional dating. For them, it IS the same, because dating is about trading their physical assets for social and material benefit. They should be equally legal.

Women with healthier views on relationships don't treat dating like this, but of course they're not the ones that are going to go for a Sugar Daddy.

And yes, feminism is about making sure women can choose their own fate. It explicitly allows them to be self sufficient or degrade themselves for money without requiring them to do either.
 
2013-01-25 01:56:58 PM

cookiefleck: The 60 yr old and the 20 yr old are both consenting adults. Why would anyone care? The author of the article sounds like he has a chip on his shoulder.


The gash is gaining experience in using her cootch for money and control. The poor bastard that gets marries this broad is going to be farked over by her until he's broke.

As men we need to stick together and keep sluts like this in their place. On their back, collecting a paycheck for whoring. Anything else is empowering the evil ones that will destroy our fellow men.
 
2013-01-25 01:58:56 PM

Hagenhatesyouall: "Prostitute"?

It's 2013.

Society needs to quit being afraid of farking and accept the fact that the working girl performs a valuable, and therapeutic, service to society.


My first instinct towards prostitution is a libertarian one. Unfortunately, at least around where I live, so many of the so-called "prostitutes" are not here and selling themselves voluntarily.

Until we are able to solve human trafficking, I cannot in good conscience support legalized prostitution. And this is coming from a guy who otherwise supports all kinds of drug/vice decriminalization.
 
2013-01-25 01:59:08 PM

ProfessorOhki: brap: That's odd, my financial advisor is usually extremely thorough but he didn't even bring up the "coed poon" facet of my retirement planning.

You should ask, he's probably got binders full of prospectuses on the shelf.


Niiiice.
 
2013-01-25 01:59:47 PM

ignorotic: Southern100: Meet woman at bar, go out to dinner, dancing, movie, then have sex - legal.
Meet woman at bar, give her the money you WOULD have spent on dinner, dancing, movie, then have sex - illegal.

WTF? The only difference is who gets the money. As far as the guy is concerned, it's still spent either way.

I may be getting trolled, but...these girls would have ZERO interest in a poor old man. A "real" date is more than just your desire for sex and her desire for money. If you've never gone on a date for any reason other than trying to get laid, I feel very sorry for you.


I wouldn't know - my wife and I have been married for 25 years.. but we have 2 teenage daughters with lots of friends, and the stories we hear make my hair stand on end.

But no, I wasn't trolling you; just stating a fact - that a girl/guy can hook up at a bar, online (match.com, PoF, etc.), or just meet in a library, go out to dinner and have sex, and nobody says anything about it.. but pick up a "prostitute" at a bar and give her the money you WOULD have spent on dinner and have sex, and all of a sudden your breaking the law. As far as the guy is concerned, he's still spending $100 or whatever, the only difference is who gets the money.

And if you don't think that guys & girls go to bars for the explicit reason of "hooking up", then I don't know what to tell ya.
 
2013-01-25 01:59:54 PM

WTF Indeed: LemSkroob: all women are whores. The only thing that changes are the terms of the contract.

Why do I get the feeling you have more than one ex-wife?


It's my second ex that really helped me put meaning into the phrase

Drop. Dead.

So I'm getting a kick
 
2013-01-25 02:00:09 PM

ThrobblefootSpectre: If receiving some degree of financial security in a relationship is prostitution, then likely 90% of all marriages are prostitution.


Ssshhh! Quiet, you!
 
2013-01-25 02:00:14 PM
"All men are pigs." "All women are whores."
That's the double-standard in a nutshell: same behavior, completely different moral judgement and social stigma.

Modern feminism isn't about vainly trying to pretend that women are above their animalistic instincts.
It's arguing that women serving their lizard brain shouldn't be any more or less stigmatized than men doing the same damn thing.
 
2013-01-25 02:00:31 PM

ignorotic: MycroftHolmes: ignorotic: Southern100: Meet woman at bar, go out to dinner, dancing, movie, then have sex - legal.
Meet woman at bar, give her the money you WOULD have spent on dinner, dancing, movie, then have sex - illegal.

WTF? The only difference is who gets the money. As far as the guy is concerned, it's still spent either way.

I may be getting trolled, but...these girls would have ZERO interest in a poor old man. A "real" date is more than just your desire for sex and her desire for money. If you've never gone on a date for any reason other than trying to get laid, I feel very sorry for you.

So, emotionless hookups for mutual satisfaction should be outlawed as well? Only dates as a precursor to relationships should be allowed?

Wow, working out on that Jump to Conclusions Mat, eh? Let me reiterate: If you've never gone on a date for any other reason than to get laid, I feel sorry for you. I never said ban casual sex. I never said you should ALWAYS be emotionally attached to someone you are casually dating, I never said there was a single thing wrong with casual sex. In other words, I feel sorry for someone who has never had more of an attachment to a woman other than the desire for sex.



OK, so follow with me here. You were responding to someone who's argument was pointing out that it was legal to exchange goods for sex in one context, and illegal to do it in another context. Your counterargument was that the change in context was emotional attachment or intentions beyond sex. In order to illustrate the error in your logic, I pointed out that the logical extension of your statement would be to outlaw emotionless sex or sex not performed in a good faith effort to have a relationship. Now, it may be that you just didn't really understand the point that the original poster was making, or that you really weren't responding to him directly. But it sure sounded like you were saying that his first case was legal because it wasn't strictly about emotionally detached sex, while the second case was illegal because it was.
 
2013-01-25 02:01:06 PM

ThrobblefootSpectre: If receiving some degree of financial security in a relationship is prostitution, then likely 90% of all marriages are prostitution.


You realize men can benefit from this financial stability as well, right? The marriage deduction applies to their combined AGI, not just hers.

// mom's been making more than dad for ~20 years
// there's love there as well, but the "stability" part comes more from her earnings than his
// I suppose that doesn't contradict you, just an implication I picked up
 
2013-01-25 02:01:58 PM

udhq: Hagenhatesyouall: "Prostitute"?

It's 2013.

Society needs to quit being afraid of farking and accept the fact that the working girl performs a valuable, and therapeutic, service to society.

My first instinct towards prostitution is a libertarian one. Unfortunately, at least around where I live, so many of the so-called "prostitutes" are not here and selling themselves voluntarily.

Until we are able to solve human trafficking, I cannot in good conscience support legalized prostitution. And this is coming from a guy who otherwise supports all kinds of drug/vice decriminalization.


Well, you could make the same argument as made for drugs/drug violence, right? If a legal supply of prostitution becomes available, it will pull the floor out from underneath the black market, and make trafficking far less lucrative.
 
2013-01-25 02:05:45 PM

Southern100: And if you don't think that guys & girls go to bars for the explicit reason of "hooking up", then I don't know what to tell ya.


What? I went for the music!

/Was I doing it wrong? DAMMIT!
 
2013-01-25 02:05:47 PM

MycroftHolmes: ignorotic: MycroftHolmes: ignorotic: Southern100: Meet woman at bar, go out to dinner, dancing, movie, then have sex - legal.
Meet woman at bar, give her the money you WOULD have spent on dinner, dancing, movie, then have sex - illegal.

WTF? The only difference is who gets the money. As far as the guy is concerned, it's still spent either way.

I may be getting trolled, but...these girls would have ZERO interest in a poor old man. A "real" date is more than just your desire for sex and her desire for money. If you've never gone on a date for any reason other than trying to get laid, I feel very sorry for you.

So, emotionless hookups for mutual satisfaction should be outlawed as well? Only dates as a precursor to relationships should be allowed?

Wow, working out on that Jump to Conclusions Mat, eh? Let me reiterate: If you've never gone on a date for any other reason than to get laid, I feel sorry for you. I never said ban casual sex. I never said you should ALWAYS be emotionally attached to someone you are casually dating, I never said there was a single thing wrong with casual sex. In other words, I feel sorry for someone who has never had more of an attachment to a woman other than the desire for sex.


OK, so follow with me here. You were responding to someone who's argument was pointing out that it was legal to exchange goods for sex in one context, and illegal to do it in another context. Your counterargument was that the change in context was emotional attachment or intentions beyond sex. In order to illustrate the error in your logic, I pointed out that the logical extension of your statement would be to outlaw emotionless sex or sex not performed in a good faith effort to have a relationship. Now, it may be that you just didn't really understand the point that the original poster was making, or that you really weren't responding to him directly. But it sure sounded like you were saying that his first case was legal because it wasn't strictly ...


I can see how you came to that conclusion, my mistake. Trying to say going on a date with a girl is the same thing as prostitution is foolish, that was my point. I do believe prostitution should be legal, but like a previous poster already stated, there is a real human trafficking issue that needs to be addressed first.
 
2013-01-25 02:07:26 PM
Sites like this may be criticized,  but activities like this go on everyday and these sites are just providing a safer venue.
 
Ral
2013-01-25 02:07:50 PM

LemSkroob: all women are whores. The only thing that changes are the terms of the contract.


All men are hustlers. They want sex and in exchange they provide material wealth to women in some form. It's just that this is considered "ok" but the women's side of the trade is considered "whoring".
 
2013-01-25 02:08:31 PM
I think a lot of people who criticize women for having these arrangements with older men do so mainly because of the way women rationalize the entire thing, and not really due to the act itself. In other words, it's no so much the act but what I'll call the "you're-not-fooling-anyone" principle. If a woman were to come right out and say, "Yes, it's essentially prostitution disguised as dating. So what?" That kind-of settles it then, doesn't it? If the women instead starts into all this crap about how it's "similar to dating, and it's more about the companionship", that's when some people feel the overwhelming desire to debate it. "Oh, come on! You're banging him for the money! Just admit it! You're a whore!"
 
2013-01-25 02:08:41 PM
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2013-01-25 02:08:52 PM

WhippingBoy: LazerFish: And, honestly, I am in favor of legalizing prostitution, but still these sites suck. They turn normal girls into prostitutes by calling them "sugar babies" and "sugar daddies" instead of "hoes" and "pervs".

Why is it that we call old men who like younger women "pervs", but we call old women who like younger men "teachers"?


I don't blame the guy at all for it, its all on her. But really, I don't want to end up like him. He has kids older than her. He is older than both of her parents.If that isn't a little pervy what is? it is tantamount to pedophilia in my view.
 
2013-01-25 02:09:56 PM

tom baker's scarf: Came here to say this, obviously. Leaving happy.


2.bp.blogspot.com
Peri was something, but my heart will always be with Leela.
 
2013-01-25 02:10:11 PM
 
2013-01-25 02:10:47 PM

LazerFish: WhippingBoy: LazerFish: And, honestly, I am in favor of legalizing prostitution, but still these sites suck. They turn normal girls into prostitutes by calling them "sugar babies" and "sugar daddies" instead of "hoes" and "pervs".

Why is it that we call old men who like younger women "pervs", but we call old women who like younger men "teachers"?

I don't blame the guy at all for it, its all on her. But really, I don't want to end up like him. He has kids older than her. He is older than both of her parents.If that isn't a little pervy what is? it is tantamount to pedophilia in my view.


It's only pedophilia if she's still maturing physically. She ain't, and it's not.
 
2013-01-25 02:11:13 PM

Southern100: ignorotic: Southern100: Meet woman at bar, go out to dinner, dancing, movie, then have sex - legal.
Meet woman at bar, give her the money you WOULD have spent on dinner, dancing, movie, then have sex - illegal.

WTF? The only difference is who gets the money. As far as the guy is concerned, it's still spent either way.

I may be getting trolled, but...these girls would have ZERO interest in a poor old man. A "real" date is more than just your desire for sex and her desire for money. If you've never gone on a date for any reason other than trying to get laid, I feel very sorry for you.

I wouldn't know - my wife and I have been married for 25 years.. but we have 2 teenage daughters with lots of friends, and the stories we hear make my hair stand on end.

But no, I wasn't trolling you; just stating a fact - that a girl/guy can hook up at a bar, online (match.com, PoF, etc.), or just meet in a library, go out to dinner and have sex, and nobody says anything about it.. but pick up a "prostitute" at a bar and give her the money you WOULD have spent on dinner and have sex, and all of a sudden your breaking the law. As far as the guy is concerned, he's still spending $100 or whatever, the only difference is who gets the money.

And if you don't think that guys & girls go to bars for the explicit reason of "hooking up", then I don't know what to tell ya.


First off, once again, I never denied casual sex exists, I never spoke out against it, I never said it should be illegal. Second, I don't need my morality legislated. I would be fine with legalized prostitution if they could get the sex traffic situation under control first. I don't care what people do for sex, as long as no one is being forced into a situation. But if you can't grasp the difference between buying a girl a drink or asking her to dinner and paying a prostitute, we are never going to see eye to eye on this.
 
2013-01-25 02:11:37 PM

themasterdebater: Southern100: And if you don't think that guys & girls go to bars for the explicit reason of "hooking up", then I don't know what to tell ya.

What? I went for the music!

/Was I doing it wrong? DAMMIT!


But the point of the game is to get laid while spending as little as possible.  If you close the deal with negative spending, you're doing it right.

/Went negative twice.
//Proud days for me.
 
2013-01-25 02:13:57 PM

Rapmaster2000: WTF Indeed: Ah modern feminism. It's empowering to degrade yourself for money.

8/10. This hook will be swallowed.


Sex Positive Feminism; there is some non troll value there
 
2013-01-25 02:16:27 PM

fireclown: but my heart will always be with Leela.


At thee, varlet!
 
2013-01-25 02:16:59 PM
some girls give jewelry, others buy me clothes. some girls give me children I never asked them for.

some girls take my money, some girls take my clothes. some girls take the shirt off my back and leave me with a lethal dose.
 
2013-01-25 02:17:28 PM

Lexx: LazerFish: WhippingBoy: LazerFish: And, honestly, I am in favor of legalizing prostitution, but still these sites suck. They turn normal girls into prostitutes by calling them "sugar babies" and "sugar daddies" instead of "hoes" and "pervs".

Why is it that we call old men who like younger women "pervs", but we call old women who like younger men "teachers"?

I don't blame the guy at all for it, its all on her. But really, I don't want to end up like him. He has kids older than her. He is older than both of her parents.If that isn't a little pervy what is? it is tantamount to pedophilia in my view.

It's only pedophilia if she's still maturing physically. She ain't, and it's not.


thats why i used the word "tantamount" meaning "having the same effect as"
 
2013-01-25 02:22:09 PM

WinoRhino: I think a lot of people who criticize women for having these arrangements with older men do so mainly because of the way women rationalize the entire thing, and not really due to the act itself. In other words, it's no so much the act but what I'll call the "you're-not-fooling-anyone" principle. If a woman were to come right out and say, "Yes, it's essentially prostitution disguised as dating. So what?" That kind-of settles it then, doesn't it? If the women instead starts into all this crap about how it's "similar to dating, and it's more about the companionship", that's when some people feel the overwhelming desire to debate it. "Oh, come on! You're banging him for the money! Just admit it! You're a whore!"


You hit the nail on the head. The problem is that many men and women DO see marriage as simply financial security in exchange for sex, children, and housework. It makes me laugh when these people end up in a string of failed marriages and act so confused about why they can't make it work. Being with someone who is obviously with you for only selfish reasons and then being surprised that the person is selfish and it destroys the relationship is hilarious to me.
 
2013-01-25 02:23:27 PM

fireclown: tom baker's scarf: Came here to say this, obviously. Leaving happy.


Peri was something, but my heart will always be with Leela.


Comment was more for the jelly babies than the companion but I completely support your point of view as well.

That said when it came to femal British characters Ms. Peel will always have my heart. If there is a heaven my version has the two of us (in her prime) and a lot of naughty-bad-fun time.
 
2013-01-25 02:24:25 PM

oldfarthenry: Sugar bum, sugar bum-bum
Sugar bum, sugar bum-bum
Sugar bum, sugar bum-bum


Haven't seen a Lord Kitchener lyric here for quite a while. +1!
 
2013-01-25 02:24:28 PM

ThrobblefootSpectre: If receiving some degree of financial security in a relationship is prostitution, then likely 90% of all marriages are prostitution.


It's only prostitution if you go into it because you get financial security. If it's just a benefit of the relationship, then fine--you should get benefits from your relationships, or what's the point in having them?

Smeggy Smurf: As men we need to stick together and keep sluts like this in their place. On their back, collecting a paycheck for whoring. Anything else is empowering the evil ones that will destroy our fellow men.


Hey you guys started this with your porn worship, and saying that "doing porn is a legitimate business full of consenting adults!" and "porn stars shouldn't be ashamed of having sex on camera for money" and "Those women are all perfectly fine doing porn, and they're adults so it shouldn't be judged, just like I shouldn't be judged for looking at it for 12 hours a day!"

And now that it's all out in the open, and everybody can fark everybody else on Main Street for all the morality police care, you're still mad because now the women are out there openly farking for money, just like you wanted them to do.
 
2013-01-25 02:24:33 PM

WTF Indeed: Kazan: not sure if trolling, or just stupid.

Not trolling, not stupid. More a set up for the people that will come into the thread claiming we shouldn't call them whores because they are free to do what they want because it's empowering.


I had an ex-girlfriend like that. She didn't work while she was in college. We agreed that was her "job", but during the summer she didn't go to school and didn't work. She didn't help with the bills. She accused me of being "sexist" any time I asked that she maybe help with chores around the house. Yeah.
 
2013-01-25 02:27:59 PM

Lord Dimwit: WTF Indeed: Kazan: not sure if trolling, or just stupid.

Not trolling, not stupid. More a set up for the people that will come into the thread claiming we shouldn't call them whores because they are free to do what they want because it's empowering.

I had an ex-girlfriend like that. She didn't work while she was in college. We agreed that was her "job", but during the summer she didn't go to school and didn't work. She didn't help with the bills. She accused me of being "sexist" any time I asked that she maybe help with chores around the house. Yeah.


Oh man lol. That makes me think of a friend's sister who tried to sleep with me many times years ago. She called me sexist because I said I didn't want to be involved with her because she was a stripper.
 
2013-01-25 02:28:42 PM

cgraves67: WTF Indeed: Ah modern feminism. It's empowering to degrade yourself for money.

I think a feminist would take issue with the idea that having sex with multiple partners is "degrading" for a young woman but status quo for a young man. I would imagine they would agree that the "for money" part is still bad.


Well, yes on the first, but no on the second--feminism is the idea that, no matter your gender, you should be able to do what you want, so while some feminists object to sex for money, it's actually a topic not covered by feminism.

/Feminist
//Someone  actually understood a basic point of feminism, holy farking shiat this is the best day ever.
 
2013-01-25 02:30:33 PM

ProfessorOhki: brap: That's odd, my financial advisor is usually extremely thorough but he didn't even bring up the "coed poon" facet of my retirement planning.

You should ask, he's probably got binders full of prospectuses on the shelf.


I thought Romney was the only one who kept binders full of women.
 
2013-01-25 02:33:14 PM

ignorotic: Lord Dimwit: WTF Indeed: Kazan: not sure if trolling, or just stupid.

Not trolling, not stupid. More a set up for the people that will come into the thread claiming we shouldn't call them whores because they are free to do what they want because it's empowering.

I had an ex-girlfriend like that. She didn't work while she was in college. We agreed that was her "job", but during the summer she didn't go to school and didn't work. She didn't help with the bills. She accused me of being "sexist" any time I asked that she maybe help with chores around the house. Yeah.

Oh man lol. That makes me think of a friend's sister who tried to sleep with me many times years ago. She called me sexist because I said I didn't want to be involved with her because she was a stripper.


Honestly, I'm more irritated with a girlfriend of a friend who calls my wife "sexist" for wanting to be a stay-at-home-mom. Apparently, to this person, feminism means doing what you want so long as it is non-traditional.

(Anyone listen to Nellie McKay? I enjoy a lot of her music, but she has one song where she talks about being married and having children like it's punishment, and another where she "jokingly" says feminists don't have a sense of humor, but it falls flat and comes out really whiny. Still, I enjoy most of her music quite a bit and, believe or not, am not actually sexist.)
 
2013-01-25 02:37:28 PM

Dr Dreidel: ThrobblefootSpectre: If receiving some degree of financial security in a relationship is prostitution, then likely 90% of all marriages are prostitution.

You realize men can benefit from this financial stability as well, right? The marriage deduction applies to their combined AGI, not just hers.



You realize I didn't refer to gender in any way whatsoever, and my statement applies to both men AND women, right?
 
2013-01-25 02:41:53 PM

Lord Dimwit: Honestly, I'm more irritated with a girlfriend of a friend who calls my wife "sexist" for wanting to be a stay-at-home-mom. Apparently, to this person, feminism means doing what you want so long as it is non-traditional.


Some people are feminists because they find the existing inequalities between men and women to be abhorrent and genuinely desire equal and fair social change.
Some people are "feminists" because they've figured out that they can use feminism to grab more power for themselves under the guise of "social justice".

Your friend's girlfriend sounds like one of the latter types.
 
2013-01-25 02:44:18 PM

ignorotic: You hit the nail on the head. The problem is that many men and women DO see marriage as simply financial security in exchange for sex, children, and housework. It makes me laugh when these people end up in a string of failed marriages and act so confused about why they can't make it work. Being with someone who is obviously with you for only selfish reasons and then being surprised that the person is selfish and it destroys the relationship is hilarious to me.


Yeah, to me dating isn't sex-in-exchange-for-getting-stuff which is how some of these women seemed to define it. I realize they can define dating how they want, but for me, there was a difference between wanting to sleep with a woman because she was hot, and wanting to spend time with a woman AND sleep with her because I was into her, specifically, as a person. I never referred to the former as dating. That was hooking up, getting laid, etc, regardless of how long it lasted. Dating implies a deeper connection on a personal level, at least to me. So when these women seem comfortable with the idea that this is "similar to dating" it tells me they have some issues with how they see their personal relationships, as "tit for tat" arrangements, much like you described.
 
2013-01-25 02:44:46 PM

LazerFish: Lexx: LazerFish: WhippingBoy: LazerFish: And, honestly, I am in favor of legalizing prostitution, but still these sites suck. They turn normal girls into prostitutes by calling them "sugar babies" and "sugar daddies" instead of "hoes" and "pervs".

Why is it that we call old men who like younger women "pervs", but we call old women who like younger men "teachers"?

I don't blame the guy at all for it, its all on her. But really, I don't want to end up like him. He has kids older than her. He is older than both of her parents.If that isn't a little pervy what is? it is tantamount to pedophilia in my view.

It's only pedophilia if she's still maturing physically. She ain't, and it's not.

thats why i used the word "tantamount" meaning "having the same effect as"


You would still be incorrect. Attraction to a sexually mature female of child bearing age is not tantamount to pedophillia, which is considered a disorder. Biologically, there is noting incorrect about a 60+ year old male being attracted to a seually mature 16 year old. We discourage it socially due to the imbalance of power in that relationship, but it not a biological disorder.
 
2013-01-25 02:45:09 PM

QueenMamaBee: ProfessorOhki: brap: That's odd, my financial advisor is usually extremely thorough but he didn't even bring up the "coed poon" facet of my retirement planning.

You should ask, he's probably got binders full of prospectuses on the shelf.

I thought Romney was the only one who kept binders full of women.


Maybe he invests with Bain Capital.
 
2013-01-25 02:46:44 PM

Mouser: Kazan: WTF Indeed: Ah modern feminism. It's empowering to degrade yourself for money.

not sure if trolling, or just stupid.

Neither, I'd say he hit the nail on the head here.


then you know as little about feminism as he does.
 
2013-01-25 02:50:55 PM
Its really just a black thing. These girls are brought on rap music and strip club culture and view their bodies as ways to get ahead while they still look good.
 
2013-01-25 02:51:04 PM

tricycleracer: LazerFish: As a guy who lost a gorgeous 24 year old girlfriend to a 58 year old guy on sugardaddyforme.com, I say fark these sites and anyone who uses them.
I told her it was prostitution, she didn't see it that way...

And, honestly, I am in favor of legalizing prostitution, but still these sites suck. They turn normal girls into prostitutes by calling them "sugar babies" and "sugar daddies" instead of "hoes" and "pervs".

Rest easy knowing that she has lost track of how many times his wrinkly balls have been in her mouth.


Maybe I'm a freak of nature, but aren't *all* balls wrinkly? Mine have been for as long as I can remember...

/late 40 something who screws 20 somethings, so getting a kick
//not like TFA morons; ladies buy me dinner/drinks as often as not
///don't kiss their ass, and they'll kiss yours.
 
2013-01-25 02:53:48 PM

GRCooper: tricycleracer: LazerFish: As a guy who lost a gorgeous 24 year old girlfriend to a 58 year old guy on sugardaddyforme.com, I say fark these sites and anyone who uses them.
I told her it was prostitution, she didn't see it that way...

And, honestly, I am in favor of legalizing prostitution, but still these sites suck. They turn normal girls into prostitutes by calling them "sugar babies" and "sugar daddies" instead of "hoes" and "pervs".

Rest easy knowing that she has lost track of how many times his wrinkly balls have been in her mouth.

Maybe I'm a freak of nature, but aren't *all* balls wrinkly? Mine have been for as long as I can remember...

/late 40 something who screws 20 somethings, so getting a kick
//not like TFA morons; ladies buy me dinner/drinks as often as not
///don't kiss their ass, and they'll kiss yours.

 
2013-01-25 02:54:30 PM

ProfessorOhki: GRCooper: tricycleracer: LazerFish: As a guy who lost a gorgeous 24 year old girlfriend to a 58 year old guy on sugardaddyforme.com, I say fark these sites and anyone who uses them.
I told her it was prostitution, she didn't see it that way...

And, honestly, I am in favor of legalizing prostitution, but still these sites suck. They turn normal girls into prostitutes by calling them "sugar babies" and "sugar daddies" instead of "hoes" and "pervs".

Rest easy knowing that she has lost track of how many times his wrinkly balls have been in her mouth.

Maybe I'm a freak of nature, but aren't *all* balls wrinkly? Mine have been for as long as I can remember...

/late 40 something who screws 20 somethings, so getting a kick
//not like TFA morons; ladies buy me dinner/drinks as often as not
///don't kiss their ass, and they'll kiss yours.


Fark it, 403'd. It was Chapelle captioned "Smooth as eggs."
 
2013-01-25 02:55:10 PM

Lexx: MooseOnTheLoose: St_Francis_P: In a lot of cases, more like a mistress. You don't generally offer a prostitute dinner, a movie, long term support, housing etc.

This.

If he is paying your way and you are expected to be at his beck and call for what ever reason, sex, companionship, escorting, you're his mistress. It's a step up from street walking, and probably its probably safer.

Yup, that's straight-out mistress status.


Not necessarily. Mistress implies being the "other woman" for a married man. Article didn't mention any wife...


My guess is the general public just *really* doesn't like the idea that women might *unashamedly* exploit their body for financial gain.


Among other things, yes. In fact, prostitution was legal and considered normal until people realized prostitutes could afford to be independent. Can't have independent women running around, can you!
 
2013-01-25 02:57:21 PM

tricycleracer: When I was unemployed my girlfriend was still banging me.  I think she's a keeper.


Good on her, seriously :-)

I remember hearing several stories during the worst of the recession about people leaving their unemployed partners because they were out of work. I don't get that mentality (and, way to really kick a man while he's down, right?) My BF went through a long period of un- and under- employment and I never once considered leaving him. I figure we're in it for the long haul and every relationship goes through ups and downs eventually; hopefully that was the worst we'll go through!

As far as the article goes: consenting adults? I don't care. Not what I'd want for myself, I'm too stubbornly independent and would hate to waste all those years I spent developing a personality and interests.
 
2013-01-25 02:57:45 PM
Please- the term is "courtesan." Or "grande horizontale" if you feel like being fancy.
 
2013-01-25 02:58:11 PM

QueenMamaBee: ProfessorOhki: brap: That's odd, my financial advisor is usually extremely thorough but he didn't even bring up the "coed poon" facet of my retirement planning.

You should ask, he's probably got binders full of prospectuses on the shelf.

I thought Romney was the only one who kept binders full of women.


No, we all do that.

/mine's a binder full of post-its
//OK one post-it
 
2013-01-25 02:59:37 PM

Lord Dimwit: I had an ex-girlfriend like that. She didn't work while she was in college. We agreed that was her "job", but during the summer she didn't go to school and didn't work. She didn't help with the bills. She accused me of being "sexist" any time I asked that she maybe help with chores around the house. Yeah.


My buddy got married to a woman who is a self-proclaimed feminist. She went to Yale. She constantly talks about how women are just as smart and capable as men. She will use any potential opening in conversation to shoe-horn in feminist discussions, and goad people into arguments. Meanwhile, she has not had a job since graduating 8 years ago. They do not have children. She stays at home and tells him she is "trying to figure out the next phase of her life." She asks him to give her some tuition money to take some courses, and he said no, not until you know exactly what you want to do. This caused a firestorm of an argument that he was trying to "keep her at home and in 'her place' like a good wife." He said no, he just didn't want to spend a lot of money without having a clear understanding that she was not going to be a career student. After a few months of indecision she ended up getting pregnant and now all she talks about is how her place is in the home and a true feminist can accept the role of motherhood like any other career.
 
2013-01-25 03:02:59 PM

ignorotic: Southern100: ignorotic: Southern100: Meet woman at bar, go out to dinner, dancing, movie, then have sex - legal.
Meet woman at bar, give her the money you WOULD have spent on dinner, dancing, movie, then have sex - illegal.

WTF? The only difference is who gets the money. As far as the guy is concerned, it's still spent either way.

I may be getting trolled, but...these girls would have ZERO interest in a poor old man. A "real" date is more than just your desire for sex and her desire for money. If you've never gone on a date for any reason other than trying to get laid, I feel very sorry for you.

I wouldn't know - my wife and I have been married for 25 years.. but we have 2 teenage daughters with lots of friends, and the stories we hear make my hair stand on end.

But no, I wasn't trolling you; just stating a fact - that a girl/guy can hook up at a bar, online (match.com, PoF, etc.), or just meet in a library, go out to dinner and have sex, and nobody says anything about it.. but pick up a "prostitute" at a bar and give her the money you WOULD have spent on dinner and have sex, and all of a sudden your breaking the law. As far as the guy is concerned, he's still spending $100 or whatever, the only difference is who gets the money.

And if you don't think that guys & girls go to bars for the explicit reason of "hooking up", then I don't know what to tell ya.

First off, once again, I never denied casual sex exists, I never spoke out against it, I never said it should be illegal. Second, I don't need my morality legislated. I would be fine with legalized prostitution if they could get the sex traffic situation under control first. I don't care what people do for sex, as long as no one is being forced into a situation. But if you can't grasp the difference between buying a girl a drink or asking her to dinner and paying a prostitute, we are never going to see eye to eye on this.


I'M not making the distinction - I'm just pointing out that the LAW makes that distinction. Whether you agree with it or not, the guy is paying "money for sex".

My personal feelings about "casual sex" are not relevant to the conversation.
 
2013-01-25 03:06:51 PM
can't get the jingle out of my head :"sugar babies...real milk caramel...sugar babies"
 
2013-01-25 03:15:16 PM
CSB:

Lived in a college town a few years back, and due to a medical need (I often get thirsty), I became friends with several female bartenders/waitresses and, through them, their collegs student friends.

Knew 2 girls with relationships with much older me (55+). One who had a 'regular' boyfriend, but spent a weekend a month with sugardaddy. The other girls considered her a whore.

The other had all her bills paid, including rent, by her "sugardaddy", but since she was monogamous, they were ok with it. When she hooked up at a party with a frat boy once, she was ostracized as quickly as if she'd cheated on a 'regular' boyfriend.

Not making a point other than how college girls can view thses kind of relationships

/he was a handmedown sugardaddy too - she was introduced to him after his previous mistress graduated and left town
//this kind of stuff happens much more than most realize
 
2013-01-25 03:16:02 PM

cryinoutloud: Hey you guys started this with your porn worship, and saying that "doing porn is a legitimate business full of consenting adults!" and "porn stars shouldn't be ashamed of having sex on camera for money" and "Those women are all perfectly fine doing porn, and they're adults so it shouldn't be judged, just like I shouldn't be judged for looking at it for 12 hours a day!"

And now that it's all out in the open, and everybody can fark everybody else on Main Street for all the morality police care, you're still mad because now the women are out there openly farking for money, just like you wanted them to do.


Who said anything about porn? I'm advocating keeping sluts as sluts and not wives.
 
2013-01-25 03:19:12 PM

ignorotic: But if you can't grasp the difference between buying a girl a drink or asking her to dinner and paying a prostitute, we are never going to see eye to eye on this.


Southern100: I'M not making the distinction - I'm just pointing out that the LAW makes that distinction. Whether you agree with it or not, the guy is paying "money for sex".


Sorry to jump in midstream on your back-and-forth with this, but I think it's an interesting point. What is the distinction? That is to say, I admit there *is* a difference (in the law or our own minds), but what exactly is it?

If I go to the bar with the goal of picking up a woman and getting laid, and in the process I buy her a few drinks, dinner, etc, then spending money on this woman contributed to me getting laid. Now suppose I go to the same bar, ask to buy the woman a drink and she says, "Let's not waste each other's time. $100, we go back to your place and I bang you." The only difference here is in the woman's motivation, isn't it? In both scenarios the guy is after one thing: sex. He gets it in both examples. He spends money in both examples. Does the fact that his spending is less direct in one example, even though intended for the same purpose, make it any better? How about the woman? Is it her motivation that makes it less palatable? Are prostitution laws simply antiquated in the sense that they assume the only way a single man will get laid is through payment to immoral women?
 
2013-01-25 03:23:47 PM

MycroftHolmes: LazerFish: Lexx: LazerFish: WhippingBoy: LazerFish: And, honestly, I am in favor of legalizing prostitution, but still these sites suck. They turn normal girls into prostitutes by calling them "sugar babies" and "sugar daddies" instead of "hoes" and "pervs".

Why is it that we call old men who like younger women "pervs", but we call old women who like younger men "teachers"?

I don't blame the guy at all for it, its all on her. But really, I don't want to end up like him. He has kids older than her. He is older than both of her parents.If that isn't a little pervy what is? it is tantamount to pedophilia in my view.

It's only pedophilia if she's still maturing physically. She ain't, and it's not.

thats why i used the word "tantamount" meaning "having the same effect as"

You would still be incorrect. Attraction to a sexually mature female of child bearing age is not tantamount to pedophillia, which is considered a disorder. Biologically, there is noting incorrect about a 60+ year old male being attracted to a seually mature 16 year old. We discourage it socially due to the imbalance of power in that relationship, but it not a biological disorder.


ok, well then, it's just completely disgusting and stupid... in my opinion
 
2013-01-25 03:28:48 PM

Mad_Radhu: Area resident Helen Crandall, 44, was arrested by Akron police Sunday, charged with conducting an elaborate "sex for security" scam in which she allegedly defrauded husband Russell Crandall out of nearly $230,000 in cash, food, clothing and housing over the past 19 years using periodic offers of sexual intercourse.


Damn - I had hopes for just a minute there of sending this to my wife.
 
2013-01-25 03:29:09 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Who said anything about porn? I'm advocating keeping sluts as sluts and not wives.


That's just it. The vast majority of men make a huge distinction between "farking material" and "marriage material".

For example, I discovered my cohabitant ex-girlfriend was promiscuous and had actually taken money for sex straight-up. If I would have never gotten into a really serious relationship (with talk of marriage) had I known this.

But, for other men, that might be just fine. To each his own. I'm sure that particular deal-breaker (i.e., prostitution) makes me seem like I'm from the 1950's to certain women. That's fine. Everyone has their own opinions and I'm not trying to push mine on anyone to begin with.
 
2013-01-25 03:30:31 PM

bighairyguy: xynix: Sounds like a wife to me..

iq_in_binary: Meh, more like a concubine.

What's the difference between a wife and a concubine?  Concubines don't do windows.


Wives don't do their husbands.
 
2013-01-25 03:37:05 PM
Lord Dimwit: "(Anyone listen to Nellie McKay? I enjoy a lot of her music, but she has one song where she talks about being married and having children like it's punishment, and another where she 'jokingly' says feminists don't have a sense of humor, but it falls flat and comes out really whiny. Still, I enjoy most of her music quite a bit and, believe or not, am not actually sexist.)"

I'm a big Nellie McKay fan but I can see your point about her attitude toward marriage/children, though I also suspect she's only trying to say that one size doesn't fit all in terms of what womyn want. And let's face it, who really knows the answer to that question?

Actually, I've been to a couple of McKay's concerts and she always puts on a great show. I heard her once tell an audience that she supports gay marriage because studies show the happiest people are married men and single women. After one gig, I arranged to do a telephone interview with her and spent an hour talking with the lady. Among her other answers to my questions, there was this:

"... When Fran Lebowitz talks about the gays fighting for marriage and the right to be in the military, I guess it's kind of ironic because, she said, back when she was fighting for freedom, they were fighting for actual freedom, whereas marriage and the military ... are things that curtail your liberty."

\CSB?
 
2013-01-25 03:37:26 PM
live.drjays.com
 
2013-01-25 03:37:50 PM

Ro_thunder: Wives don't do their husbands.


Sorry to hear about your marriage.
 
2013-01-25 03:41:17 PM
bighairyguy:
xynix: Sounds like a wife to me..

iq_in_binary: Meh, more like a concubine.

What's the difference between a wife and a concubine?  Concubines don't do windows.


No kidding, but after a few kernel tweaks mine runs Gentoo like a charm.
 
2013-01-25 03:41:51 PM

LazerFish: ok, well then, it's just completely disgusting and stupid... in my opinion


You are entitled to your opinion. I will be curious if you still feel the same way when you are 60+.
 
2013-01-25 03:43:31 PM

Philimus: Lord Dimwit: "(Anyone listen to Nellie McKay? I enjoy a lot of her music, but she has one song where she talks about being married and having children like it's punishment, and another where she 'jokingly' says feminists don't have a sense of humor, but it falls flat and comes out really whiny. Still, I enjoy most of her music quite a bit and, believe or not, am not actually sexist.)"

I'm a big Nellie McKay fan but I can see your point about her attitude toward marriage/children, though I also suspect she's only trying to say that one size doesn't fit all in terms of what womyn want. And let's face it, who really knows the answer to that question?

Actually, I've been to a couple of McKay's concerts and she always puts on a great show. I heard her once tell an audience that she supports gay marriage because studies show the happiest people are married men and single women. After one gig, I arranged to do a telephone interview with her and spent an hour talking with the lady. Among her other answers to my questions, there was this:

"... When Fran Lebowitz talks about the gays fighting for marriage and the right to be in the military, I guess it's kind of ironic because, she said, back when she was fighting for freedom, they were fighting for actual freedom, whereas marriage and the military ... are things that curtail your liberty."

\CSB?


While she may have been saying that "one size doesn't fit all" she talked about having marriage and children very derisively, like choosing to do that was wrong or stupid. I have all of her albums and have seen her live once or twice, but there are a couple of songs I just can't listen to. Same with Ani's work.

/ listen to Ani and Nellie
// agree with them almost all the time
/// straight white male
//// apparently, I'm the problem with the world
 
2013-01-25 03:44:05 PM
One of my favorite Onion articles.

Housewife charged in sex for security scam
 
2013-01-25 03:44:13 PM

MycroftHolmes: LazerFish: ok, well then, it's just completely disgusting and stupid... in my opinion

You are entitled to your opinion. I will be curious if you still feel the same way when you are 60+.


It's not the guy i'm disgusted with
 
2013-01-25 03:45:41 PM

jigger: [live.drjays.com image 260x233]


That old man was trolling strip clubs looking for young, big titted blondes to bang, so let's not paint him aa a poor, defenseless old man that was taken advantaged of.
 
2013-01-25 03:47:33 PM

LazerFish: MycroftHolmes: LazerFish: ok, well then, it's just completely disgusting and stupid... in my opinion

You are entitled to your opinion. I will be curious if you still feel the same way when you are 60+.

It's not the guy i'm disgusted with


Ahhh, well. Studies have shown that women are attracted to power and security, while men are attracted to physical beauty. Seems like May-December relationships fit both needs pretty well. 20 to 70 may be stretching the point, but to each their own. 60 to 25 wouldn't really freak me out too much.
 
2013-01-25 03:47:37 PM

fireclown: tom baker's scarf: Came here to say this, obviously. Leaving happy.

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Peri was something, but my heart will always be with Leela.


Couldn't they find anyone hot to be The Doctor's companion back then?\
 
2013-01-25 03:48:20 PM

cookiefleck: jigger: [live.drjays.com image 260x233]

That old man was trolling strip clubs looking for young, big titted blondes to bang, so let's not paint him aa a poor, defenseless old man that was taken advantaged of.


What are you talking about, that guy is a hero.
 
2013-01-25 03:52:47 PM

cookiefleck: jigger: [live.drjays.com image 260x233]

That old man was trolling strip clubs looking for young, big titted blondes to bang, so let's not paint him aa a poor, defenseless old man that was taken advantaged of.


I don't think anyone painted him as a defenceless old man.
 
2013-01-25 03:58:01 PM
more people painted her as a golddigging trollop than him a old perv.
 
2013-01-25 03:58:10 PM
Lord Dimwit: "//// apparently, I'm the problem with the world"

Oh I agree with you about McKay and wasn't trying to white knight for her or anything. I think the feminist song you have in mind is "Mother of Pearl" and it isn't one of my favorites either. But to be honest, she's done others that are even more derisive of male/female relationships. At the same time, I find many of her songs beautiful and her lyrics clever and funny. "Food," for instance, always lifts my spirits, and "Old Enough" is quite touching in its own way.

You're actually way better than I am, because I can't even stand to listen to Ani DiFranco at all. Years ago I heard her singing "Pretty Girl" on the radio and almost had to shove an ice pick into my eardrums afterward.

Speaking of womyn musicians, have you ever heard any Dory Previn or Cindy Lee Berryhill? Previn, in particular, did some amazing stuff. She often sounded batshiat crazy but she was also a helluva songwriter.
 
2013-01-25 04:02:50 PM
If someone is sucking wrinkly-old-man cock to attend a second-tier school like NYU they really just enjoy sucking wrinkly-old-man cock.
 
2013-01-25 04:05:44 PM
Same age as the dude's kids, and she got almost the entire estate.

Barbara Piasecka Johnson
 
2013-01-25 04:09:41 PM

cookiefleck: more people painted her as a golddigging trollop than him a old perv.


Do I think either of them are doing anything wrong? No.

Do I think she's a whore AND he's a creepy old perv who uses prostitutes? Yes.
 
2013-01-25 04:10:21 PM
If I'm dating, I'll usually pay for the first date and every now and then I'll treat the girl to dinner somewhere nice or maybe put in extra. Usually though, the girls I'm dating will want to pay their way. From the second date onwards they insist on paying their share, or doing a 'you pay for this date, I'll pay for the next' type deal.

I've been told by other guys that I need to be spending more on my dates if I want them to stick around. There are plenty of guys that believe that it's the mans duty to lay down money in order to keep the woman interested. It was suggested as being the real reason for me and one particular girl splitting up. They couldn't understand the problem with trying to keep a woman interested by paying for everything. They might as well just get a sugar baby because at least there it's a sort of unspoken agreement.

Me personally I'll stick to girls who give a crap about me, not the size of my wallet. Granted I don't get as much action as the guys who flash their cash but I'm OK with that.

/Sometimes way, way less action
//Pretty sure my junk hates me
 
2013-01-25 04:10:22 PM

cookiefleck: more people painted her as a golddigging trollop than him a old perv.


I feel that your just bursting to make some sort of salient point. What the hell is it???
 
2013-01-25 04:13:13 PM

MycroftHolmes: LazerFish: MycroftHolmes: LazerFish: ok, well then, it's just completely disgusting and stupid... in my opinion

You are entitled to your opinion. I will be curious if you still feel the same way when you are 60+.

It's not the guy i'm disgusted with

Ahhh, well. Studies have shown that women are attracted to power and security, while men are attracted to physical beauty. Seems like May-December relationships fit both needs pretty well. 20 to 70 may be stretching the point, but to each their own. 60 to 25 wouldn't really freak me out too much.


if it was a relationship and not just "I will make your car payment if you let me take some nudie pics of you" or "I will buy you some lingerie if you let me *insert random sex act here*" I could respect it (even if it did seem icky).
 
2013-01-25 04:16:26 PM

St_Francis_P: In a lot of cases, more like a mistress. You don't generally offer a prostitute dinner, a movie, long term support, housing etc.


all mistresses are whores
the label is a matter of how much you pay her, over how long a period of time
slut: a couple of beers, one night stand
crack whore: some drugs, as long as you have drugs
street walker: cheap, quickie in the alley
prostitute: more, motel room, maybe your car or house, by the hour
escort: mid-high, hotel, home, her home, by the hour
porn star: mid-high, legal as long as you record the sex, any where, anytime, by the hour
mistress: high, her own home paid for by you, by the month or year
wife: all you have, live together, eternity, death or divorce, whichever comes first

it is cute how mistresses are not arrested, nor their johns. guess there are different rules for the rich folks
why dont more prostitutes advertise as home amateur porn stars?
 
2013-01-25 04:16:34 PM

WhippingBoy: cookiefleck: more people painted her as a golddigging trollop than him a old perv.

I feel that your just bursting to make some sort of salient point. What the hell is it???


that when it comes to these types of relationships the female will always be the greater of two evils, even though the guy is the one that flaunts his money to attract the chick to begin with.
 
2013-01-25 04:17:36 PM
Its basically prostitution only long-term. duh
 
2013-01-25 04:17:40 PM
give me doughnuts:
fireclown: tom baker's scarf: Came here to say this, obviously. Leaving happy.

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Peri was something, but my heart will always be with Leela.

Couldn't they find anyone hot to be The Doctor's companion back then?\


Hey now. Leela was British-TV-hot. Plus, she was not farking annoying which is more than I can say for certain companions.
 
2013-01-25 04:21:32 PM

The sound of one hand clapping: Me personally I'll stick to girls who give a crap about me, not the size of my wallet. Granted I don't get as much action as the guys who flash their cash but I'm OK with that.

/Sometimes way, way less action
//Pretty sure my junk hates me


To each their own, but I feel like it's much, much more fulfilling to actually like the person you're around (and have them like you back). I also think of many things in terms of "Am I doing what I would expect from a mate?".
 
2013-01-25 04:22:04 PM
Hm, I've always made a point to date men who made less $$$ than me; I deeply, deeply loath the idea sugar baby/daddy relationships, or that I owe a man sex because he paid for X, Y, or Z.

As it were, I'm happily married to a man who currently, and probably always will, earn less $$ than me. If he were to suddenly come into a lot of money, or somehow get massive raise, I know I'd be fairly uncomfortable and insecure with our new arrangement.

Needless to say, I love me some broke n*ggas.
 
2013-01-25 04:23:20 PM

udhq: Hagenhatesyouall: "Prostitute"?

Until we are able to solve human trafficking, I cannot in good conscience support legalized prostitution.


ProfessorOhki: udhq: Hagenhatesyouall: "Prostitute"?

Well, you could make the same argument as made for drugs/drug violence, right? If a legal supply of prostitution becomes available, it will pull the floor out from underneath the black market, and make trafficking far less lucrative.


Right.   When sex work is legalized, the police can then focus their resources on the newly shrunken black market sex trade, where the real atrocities take place.  If an adult woman may lawfully engage in sex work with all the protections of the law at her back, her risk of being abused or cheated by her customers or business associates goes way down.  The black market for sex work would shrink to the kind of thing that a broad consensus wants to remain unlawful, such as exploiting children.
 
2013-01-25 04:25:44 PM

cookiefleck: WhippingBoy: cookiefleck: more people painted her as a golddigging trollop than him a old perv.

I feel that your just bursting to make some sort of salient point. What the hell is it???

that when it comes to these types of relationships the female will always be the greater of two evils, even though the guy is the one that flaunts his money to attract the chick to begin with.


I'm sure you'll see what you expect to see. No matter what's actually there.
 
2013-01-25 04:27:36 PM
 
2013-01-25 04:32:37 PM

No Such Agency: give me doughnuts:
fireclown: tom baker's scarf: Came here to say this, obviously. Leaving happy.

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Peri was something, but my heart will always be with Leela.

Couldn't they find anyone hot to be The Doctor's companion back then?\

Hey now. Leela was British-TV-hot. Plus, she was not farking annoying which is more than I can say for certain companions.


Addrick and Tessa. OMG. It was SO hard for me to get through those episodes, I absolutely hated them.
 
2013-01-25 04:33:35 PM

vonapathy: As it were, I'm happily married to a man who currently, and probably always will, earn less $$ than me. If he were to suddenly come into a lot of money, or somehow get massive raise, I know I'd be fairly uncomfortable and insecure with our new arrangement.


Do you feel like him making more money or being given a windfall would be threatening because it would give you less control?
 
2013-01-25 04:35:22 PM

Lexx: cgraves67: WTF Indeed: Ah modern feminism. It's empowering to degrade yourself for money.

I think a feminist would take issue with the idea that having sex with multiple partners is "degrading" for a young woman but status quo for a young man. I would imagine they would agree that the "for money" part is still bad.

I was under the impression that the current iteration of feminist thought views sex basically thus: "a woman can have sex with whomever she wants, whenever she wants, for any reason she wants, and not have her character judged differently than a man engaged in similar acts. Also, while a woman CAN do these things, such acts should never be expected, demanded, or implied, and whatever behavior she engages in, she should never be viewed as less than a complete human being worthy of respect".


I would think we would find that just about everyone here would be viewing a younger male doing the same thing as these females as a bit of a sleazebag at best.
 
2013-01-25 04:36:04 PM

vonapathy: Hm, I've always made a point to date men who made less $$$ than me; I deeply, deeply loath the idea sugar baby/daddy relationships, or that I owe a man sex because he paid for X, Y, or Z.

As it were, I'm happily married to a man who currently, and probably always will, earn less $$ than me. If he were to suddenly come into a lot of money, or somehow get massive raise, I know I'd be fairly uncomfortable and insecure with our new arrangement.

Needless to say, I love me some broke n*ggas.


Hope he never makes more than you, sounds like you've already got enough insecurities ...
 
2013-01-25 04:53:18 PM

WhippingBoy: LazerFish: And, honestly, I am in favor of legalizing prostitution, but still these sites suck. They turn normal girls into prostitutes by calling them "sugar babies" and "sugar daddies" instead of "hoes" and "pervs".

Why is it that we call old men who like younger women "pervs", but we call old women who like younger men "teachers"?


Considering the number of teachers getting busted for improper relationships, I would see the terms "perv" and "teacher" as two sides of the same coin...
 
2013-01-25 05:00:29 PM
I am sad to see the "all women are whores crowd," but I am not surprised. It bothers me when people say that because it is simply not true. "All" of one group of people cannot share one characteristic. "All" of any one group are not one thing.

My boyfriend makes considerably less than I do. He works his ass off at his job, which he loves, but it does not make him a lot of money. I do not care a bit.

When he and I are together, we have so much fun. We still go places and do things, but he does not always pay for the date and I would not expect him to. I am happy cooking for him and putting a DVD in the player instead of going out to dinner and a movie. We have a great time. I love driving to the lake and sitting on the tailgate of his truck and watching the sun go down.

I love him, not his wallet. Yeah, he rocks it out in bed. That, not money, is a deal breaker. I am 41 he is 34.
 
2013-01-25 05:02:07 PM

Shakespeare's Sister: I am sad to see the "all women are whores crowd," but I am not surprised. It bothers me when people say that because it is simply not true. "All" of one group of people cannot share one characteristic. "All" of any one group are not one thing.

My boyfriend makes considerably less than I do. He works his ass off at his job, which he loves, but it does not make him a lot of money. I do not care a bit.

When he and I are together, we have so much fun. We still go places and do things, but he does not always pay for the date and I would not expect him to. I am happy cooking for him and putting a DVD in the player instead of going out to dinner and a movie. We have a great time. I love driving to the lake and sitting on the tailgate of his truck and watching the sun go down.

I love him, not his wallet. Yeah, he rocks it out in bed. That, not money, is a deal breaker. I am 41 he is 34.


What about the "all old men are pervs crowd"? How do you feel about them?
 
2013-01-25 05:06:15 PM

Shakespeare's Sister: I love him, not his wallet. Yeah, he rocks it out in bed. That, not money, is a deal breaker. I am 41 he is 34.


www.seasonpremiere.net
 
2013-01-25 05:06:27 PM
I always preferred the term "dick-ornament" for women like this. They're not quite whores (prostitutes go away when they've finished the short-term job) but they're not girlfriends, either (there's no love here, I'm sure). They're pretty baubles to show off, and they are primarily worn on the payer's penis. They aren't even mistresses, because a mistress generally has some feeling for the person she's with.

Therefore, "sugar-babies" are just dick-ornaments with a prettier title.

And I don't feel bad calling them that. They know damn well what they're doing is selling their body for financial gain, and that they;ve never had any intention of having any emotional investment in the relationship(s).

I can respect what a prostitute does, because they're honest about the nature of the transaction. These sugar-babies are dishonest about it-- even to themselves-- and they occupy a rather low ethical shelf. They're leeches who will be in for a rude awakening when they're older and the good looks don't impress rich old guys.
 
2013-01-25 05:11:03 PM

cookiefleck: The 60 yr old and the 20 yr old are both consenting adults. Why would anyone care? The author of the article sounds like he has a chip on his shoulder.


Says the skank who is a wannabe sugar baby. Yo, if you don't understand why this irks a lot of people, you are a serious moron.
 
2013-01-25 05:12:18 PM

udhq: Until we are able to solve human trafficking, I cannot in good conscience support legalized prostitution. And this is coming from a guy who otherwise supports all kinds of drug/vice decriminalization.


Wouldn't legalization provide avenues to solve human trafficking? Once OSHA is involved, it will become a crap low paying job like any other. There will be no need or advantage to forcing people into it. And even if that didn't succeed, wouldn't legalized prostitution at worst not make human trafficking any worse?
 
2013-01-25 05:13:14 PM

Shakespeare's Sister: I am sad to see the "all women are whores crowd," but I am not surprised. It bothers me when people say that because it is simply not true. "All" of one group of people cannot share one characteristic. "All" of any one group are not one thing.

My boyfriend makes considerably less than I do. He works his ass off at his job, which he loves, but it does not make him a lot of money. I do not care a bit.

When he and I are together, we have so much fun. We still go places and do things, but he does not always pay for the date and I would not expect him to. I am happy cooking for him and putting a DVD in the player instead of going out to dinner and a movie. We have a great time. I love driving to the lake and sitting on the tailgate of his truck and watching the sun go down.

I love him, not his wallet. Yeah, he rocks it out in bed. That, not money, is a deal breaker. I am 41 he is 34.


You sound awesome. In my view, you get what true relationship happiness is all about. I think you're going to have lotsa happy years and you're always going to be "The Catch."

/uh oh, did I just potentially name a new Reality TV show? :)
 
2013-01-25 05:15:47 PM
Shakespeare's Sister:

I prefer to use the term "in general" rather than the word "all". You're right, there are a lot of exceptions.

However, each gender generally favors certain attributes in a mate. Some of this is nature and some of this is nurture.

My ex, who swore up and down that money didn't mean shiat to her turned into the Wicked Witch of the West once we broke up and she realized I wasn't going to be around to pay for her college. That, and she was happy to take some assets off my hands, as it were. It was not yet a week after she moved out until she was biatching on Facebook about how poor she was.

Of course, that's only anecdotal and experiences will vary. It's always interesting how people change their tune once shiat hits the fan.
 
2013-01-25 05:21:55 PM

LindenFark: udhq: Until we are able to solve human trafficking, I cannot in good conscience support legalized prostitution. And this is coming from a guy who otherwise supports all kinds of drug/vice decriminalization.

Wouldn't legalization provide avenues to solve human trafficking? Once OSHA is involved, it will become a crap low paying job like any other. There will be no need or advantage to forcing people into it. And even if that didn't succeed, wouldn't legalized prostitution at worst not make human trafficking any worse?


You think OSHA would be awkward, just wait until they unionize.
 
2013-01-25 05:22:14 PM

WhippingBoy: Shakespeare's Sister: I am sad to see the "all women are whores crowd," but I am not surprised. It bothers me when people say that because it is simply not true. "All" of one group of people cannot share one characteristic. "All" of any one group are not one thing.

My boyfriend makes considerably less than I do. He works his ass off at his job, which he loves, but it does not make him a lot of money. I do not care a bit.

When he and I are together, we have so much fun. We still go places and do things, but he does not always pay for the date and I would not expect him to. I am happy cooking for him and putting a DVD in the player instead of going out to dinner and a movie. We have a great time. I love driving to the lake and sitting on the tailgate of his truck and watching the sun go down.

I love him, not his wallet. Yeah, he rocks it out in bed. That, not money, is a deal breaker. I am 41 he is 34.

What about the "all old men are pervs crowd"? How do you feel about them?


I do not agree that "all old men are pervs." I think that crowd is just as wrong as the "all women are whores" crowd. Before I met my current bf, I dated a man who was 54--that would make him 14 years older than I. He was not a perv by any stretch of the imagination. He and I broke up because he was not a man of his word, among other reasons.
 
2013-01-25 05:23:34 PM

Fear the Clam: Shakespeare's Sister: I love him, not his wallet. Yeah, he rocks it out in bed. That, not money, is a deal breaker. I am 41 he is 34.

[www.seasonpremiere.net image 540x459]


Perhaps it is a bit Cougar Town. I don't know. I don't see myself that way. . .but okay. I don't mind being called one. Hey. . .I go down and swallow. What more could the man ask for?
 
2013-01-25 05:24:49 PM
This is still prostitution, albeit not the windy in front seat for enough for another hit of meth, but more of the fancy agency type.
 
2013-01-25 05:27:49 PM

Fear the Clam: Shakespeare's Sister: I love him, not his wallet. Yeah, he rocks it out in bed. That, not money, is a deal breaker. I am 41 he is 34.

[www.seasonpremiere.net image 540x459]


Is that the only face Courtney Cox can still make?
 
2013-01-25 05:28:26 PM

KiwDaWabbit: Shakespeare's Sister:

I prefer to use the term "in general" rather than the word "all". You're right, there are a lot of exceptions.

However, each gender generally favors certain attributes in a mate. Some of this is nature and some of this is nurture.

My ex, who swore up and down that money didn't mean shiat to her turned into the Wicked Witch of the West once we broke up and she realized I wasn't going to be around to pay for her college. That, and she was happy to take some assets off my hands, as it were. It was not yet a week after she moved out until she was biatching on Facebook about how poor she was.

Of course, that's only anecdotal and experiences will vary. It's always interesting how people change their tune once shiat hits the fan.


It is unfortunate that she turned out to be that way. Truthfully, both of our stories are anecdotal, so neither really proves anything. I am in college, but my employer--the Tennessee Board of Regents--is paying for me to go. I buy books and pay the on-line fee every semester, but since I am a college prof for a TBR school, they pay the tuition and stuff.

People do change when shiat hits the fan.That is very true. If he and I ever part--which I hope does not happen--I will not try and take anything from him. He could take from me. I own a home and have a good savings/retirement.
 
2013-01-25 05:31:18 PM

zabadu: Fear the Clam: Shakespeare's Sister: I love him, not his wallet. Yeah, he rocks it out in bed. That, not money, is a deal breaker. I am 41 he is 34.

[www.seasonpremiere.net image 540x459]

Is that the only face Courtney Cox can still make?


No, but it takes the Bankin-Rass animation team hours to change her expression.
 
2013-01-25 05:33:12 PM

Shakespeare's Sister: It is unfortunate that she turned out to be that way. Truthfully, both of our stories are anecdotal, so neither really proves anything.


Thanks. And, true; I was just more saying that things tend to lean a certain way. I second unfarkingbelievable's notion that you do seem pretty awesome, though. So, +1 Internets for you.
 
2013-01-25 05:38:02 PM

unfarkingbelievable: Shakespeare's Sister: I am sad to see the "all women are whores crowd," but I am not surprised. It bothers me when people say that because it is simply not true. "All" of one group of people cannot share one characteristic. "All" of any one group are not one thing.

My boyfriend makes considerably less than I do. He works his ass off at his job, which he loves, but it does not make him a lot of money. I do not care a bit.

When he and I are together, we have so much fun. We still go places and do things, but he does not always pay for the date and I would not expect him to. I am happy cooking for him and putting a DVD in the player instead of going out to dinner and a movie. We have a great time. I love driving to the lake and sitting on the tailgate of his truck and watching the sun go down.

I love him, not his wallet. Yeah, he rocks it out in bed. That, not money, is a deal breaker. I am 41 he is 34.

You sound awesome. In my view, you get what true relationship happiness is all about. I think you're going to have lotsa happy years and you're always going to be "The Catch."

/uh oh, did I just potentially name a new Reality TV show? :)


I am pretty awesome. He tells me all the time he won the gf lottery. I don't see it, personally. I think I made out like a bandit. He is so good to me and he loves my kids. He treats them like they are his, which they are not, they are from my ex-husband. He knew I had 2 kids when we met, and he has stepped up to be a superb step-dad (we are only dating, not married, but that is what he wants to be called). He did not have to do it--he could have told me goodbye on the first date when I told him about my kids (Steven 10, Allison 5), but he didn't.

He is so respectful and kind. In the time we have been dating--about 2 and 1/2 months--I have not opened my own door or put on my own coat. He is a gentleman--well--except when he should not be--heehee *blush*. I just could not ask for better. He teases me about being old. I tell him, you don't complain when I use my extra years of experience to give you a bj. He just agrees and smiles.

Did I mention he goes out a few nights a week to play poker? I don't care a bit. It's his money, he earns it, he can spend it as he sees fit. On nights where I do not have to teach the next day, I go with him. I do not play very well, so I watch sports on the big screen while he plays. He sends me a text if he needs something from the bar.

I like the new Reality Show idea of "The Catch." I would star in it. I don't think he would, though. But I like it.

Thank you for your kind words. Most of his friends have told him "when you get sick of her, give her my number." He tells them all the same thing "that ain't going to happen."
 
2013-01-25 05:58:30 PM

KiwDaWabbit: Shakespeare's Sister: It is unfortunate that she turned out to be that way. Truthfully, both of our stories are anecdotal, so neither really proves anything.

Thanks. And, true; I was just more saying that things tend to lean a certain way. I second unfarkingbelievable's notion that you do seem pretty awesome, though. So, +1 Internets for you.


Thank you both for your kind words, and, you, KiwDaWabbit for the +1.

It has taken me quite a bit of time, and growing up, to realize what is important in a relationship. I think that my bf likes my age bc of the smarts that come with it. I don't play the games that some women do. I tell him what I am thinking and what I want in bed. He does not have to guess. I do not play the "if you knew me, you would know" game or say "nothing" and pout when he asks what is wrong. I do not give the silent treatment or withhold sex. Those are games of the immature. Besides. . .withholding sex.. . that means I don't get any. Fark that. I want to walk funny the next day and be tired. Besides being better lovers, there is a lot to be said for dating a woman 5+ years older than you.
 
2013-01-25 06:13:49 PM

cryinoutloud: And now that it's all out in the open, and everybody can fark everybody else on Main Street for all the morality police care, you're still mad because now the women are out there openly farking for money, just like you wanted them to do.


Where on earth are you getting this conclusion from in this thread? Your painting guys with a very broad brush, when their is a lot of variety in opinion here. Some guys think think it's fine, others think it's abhorrent and most call it prostitution. I would imagine that if you took a poll you would actually find more women that had the opinion that these sugar babies are prostitutes then men. Personally, I think we should make prostitution legal and try to end sex slavery, but that's a different discussion.

A lot of the younger feminists /do/ actively support using their body one way or another to take men for their money. I've said before, and it's still true that strip clubs are places where old feminists think the men are taking advantage of the women and the young feminists think the women are taking advantage of the men.

That being said, you seem to have a real 'men are evil' vibe going in a lot of your posts in different threads. Men are no more 'evil' then women and it's not making Fark any more civil when some people constantly bash the other sex.
 
2013-01-25 06:18:25 PM

Shakespeare's Sister: unfarkingbelievable: Shakespeare's Sister: I am sad to see the "all women are whores crowd," but I am not surprised. It bothers me when people say that because it is simply not true. "All" of one group of people cannot share one characteristic. "All" of any one group are not one thing.

My boyfriend makes considerably less than I do. He works his ass off at his job, which he loves, but it does not make him a lot of money. I do not care a bit.

When he and I are together, we have so much fun. We still go places and do things, but he does not always pay for the date and I would not expect him to. I am happy cooking for him and putting a DVD in the player instead of going out to dinner and a movie. We have a great time. I love driving to the lake and sitting on the tailgate of his truck and watching the sun go down.

I love him, not his wallet. Yeah, he rocks it out in bed. That, not money, is a deal breaker. I am 41 he is 34.

You sound awesome. In my view, you get what true relationship happiness is all about. I think you're going to have lotsa happy years and you're always going to be "The Catch."

/uh oh, did I just potentially name a new Reality TV show? :)

I am pretty awesome. He tells me all the time he won the gf lottery. I don't see it, personally. I think I made out like a bandit. He is so good to me and he loves my kids. He treats them like they are his, which they are not, they are from my ex-husband. He knew I had 2 kids when we met, and he has stepped up to be a superb step-dad (we are only dating, not married, but that is what he wants to be called). He did not have to do it--he could have told me goodbye on the first date when I told him about my kids (Steven 10, Allison 5), but he didn't.

He is so respectful and kind. In the time we have been dating--about 2 and 1/2 months--I have not opened my own door or put on my own coat. He is a gentleman--well--except when he should not be--heehee *blush*. I just could not ask for better. He teases me about be ...


Every now and then ... seriously ... on Fark I get inspired by "strangers." You truly made my day. I'm currently a single farkette and your refreshing happiness gives me hope! So ... cheers!
 
2013-01-25 06:29:00 PM

cgraves67: WTF Indeed: Ah modern feminism. It's empowering to degrade yourself for money.

I think a feminist would take issue with the idea that having sex with multiple partners is "degrading" for a young woman but status quo for a young man. I would imagine they would agree that the "for money" part is still bad.


As a feminist, I have an issue with the ever persistent double standard. But, I don't give a damn what consenting adults do. Prostitution should be legal. If that's how these young women need to make their way through the world, who am I to judge?
 
2013-01-25 06:30:02 PM

onyxruby: cryinoutloud: And now that it's all out in the open, and everybody can fark everybody else on Main Street for all the morality police care, you're still mad because now the women are out there openly farking for money, just like you wanted them to do.

Where on earth are you getting this conclusion from in this thread? Your painting guys with a very broad brush, when their is a lot of variety in opinion here. Some guys think think it's fine, others think it's abhorrent and most call it prostitution. I would imagine that if you took a poll you would actually find more women that had the opinion that these sugar babies are prostitutes then men. Personally, I think we should make prostitution legal and try to end sex slavery, but that's a different discussion.

A lot of the younger feminists /do/ actively support using their body one way or another to take men for their money. I've said before, and it's still true that strip clubs are places where old feminists think the men are taking advantage of the women and the young feminists think the women are taking advantage of the men.

That being said, you seem to have a real 'men are evil' vibe going in a lot of your posts in different threads. Men are no more 'evil' then women and it's not making Fark any more civil when some people constantly bash the other sex.


I fear your wasting your breath. For whatever reason, Fark attracts a lot of people who pass everything through a filter, seeing only what they want (or expect) to see. Actually, that's probably why it's so popular. As long as you're willing to ignore or trivialize any and all evidence to the contrary, you can always find something that will reinforce your narrow world view.
 
2013-01-25 06:37:36 PM

WhippingBoy: I fear your wasting your breath. For whatever reason, Fark attracts a lot of people who pass everything through a filter, seeing only what they want (or expect) to see. Actually, that's probably why it's so popular. As long as you're willing to ignore or trivialize any and all evidence to the contrary, you can always find something that will reinforce your narrow world view.


Your probably right, but the man bashing has gotten very old. For some reason it's okay to bash on men on Fark when bashing on groups will quickly get you banned. It really takes away from things when threads constantly escalate into a stream of trolling.

Once upon a time the mod's were a lot better at keeping the tone down, and people who acted like 'asshats' got warned off. For some reason the tone for a while now has been more vitriol and the days of Fark being America's town square are over.
 
2013-01-25 06:42:37 PM

Southern100: ignorotic: Southern100:I'M not making the distinction - I'm just pointing out that the LAW makes that distinction. Whether you agree with it or not, the guy is paying "money for sex".

My personal feelings about "casual sex" are not relevant to the conversation.


It's not about "feelings" but opinions, and you are insinuating that I don't realize casual sex happens, think it should be banned, or somehow should be curbed. I never said anything even close to that. My point, AGAIN, is that situations like this are totally, completely not the same as dating someone you are interested in and like to spend time with. That word "date" is vague, and I've seen it used by women to try and make being a hooker or stripper sound more acceptable. It's the same thing as a thug saying "I'm getting some money" when in reality they mean they are going to rob someone or steal something.

The idea that a date with someone you are interested in is the same as paying for sex is idiotic. The idea that all casual sex is the same as prostitution is also idiotic. I know there are girls who only go on dates to get free food and drinks. Most of the girls I've been around who do that don't sleep with the guy at the end of the night unless they find him "hot."
 
2013-01-25 06:47:41 PM

Shakespeare's Sister: KiwDaWabbit: Shakespeare's Sister: It is unfortunate that she turned out to be that way. Truthfully, both of our stories are anecdotal, so neither really proves anything.

Thanks. And, true; I was just more saying that things tend to lean a certain way. I second unfarkingbelievable's notion that you do seem pretty awesome, though. So, +1 Internets for you.

Thank you both for your kind words, and, you, KiwDaWabbit for the +1.

It has taken me quite a bit of time, and growing up, to realize what is important in a relationship. I think that my bf likes my age bc of the smarts that come with it. I don't play the games that some women do. I tell him what I am thinking and what I want in bed. He does not have to guess. I do not play the "if you knew me, you would know" game or say "nothing" and pout when he asks what is wrong. I do not give the silent treatment or withhold sex. Those are games of the immature. Besides. . .withholding sex.. . that means I don't get any. Fark that. I want to walk funny the next day and be tired. Besides being better lovers, there is a lot to be said for dating a woman 5+ years older than you.


Do you have a sister?
 
2013-01-25 06:50:28 PM

onyxruby: WhippingBoy: I fear your wasting your breath. For whatever reason, Fark attracts a lot of people who pass everything through a filter, seeing only what they want (or expect) to see. Actually, that's probably why it's so popular. As long as you're willing to ignore or trivialize any and all evidence to the contrary, you can always find something that will reinforce your narrow world view.

Your probably right, but the man bashing has gotten very old. For some reason it's okay to bash on men on Fark when bashing on groups will quickly get you banned. It really takes away from things when threads constantly escalate into a stream of trolling.

Once upon a time the mod's were a lot better at keeping the tone down, and people who acted like 'asshats' got warned off. For some reason the tone for a while now has been more vitriol and the days of Fark being America's town square are over.


Well now, that's just what a misogynist *would* say, isn't it? :P
 
2013-01-25 06:55:03 PM

MooseOnTheLoose: St_Francis_P: In a lot of cases, more like a mistress. You don't generally offer a prostitute dinner, a movie, long term support, housing etc.

This.

If he is paying your way and you are expected to be at his beck and call for what ever reason, sex, companionship, escorting, you're his mistress. It's a step up from street walking, and probably its probably safer.


Now one of these Manhattan sugar daddies has been arrested on a first degree rape charge. He's accused of raping his sugar baby on their first in-person meeting.
 
2013-01-25 07:00:16 PM

WhippingBoy: For whatever reason, Fark attracts a lot of people who pass everything through a filter, seeing only what they want (or expect) to see. Actually, that's probably why it's so popular. As long as you're willing to ignore or trivialize any and all evidence to the contrary, you can always find something that will reinforce your narrow world view.


To me, that's the world at large and it's not just exclusive to Fark.

These types of threads tend to be more heated, in my opinion, because peoples' views are somewhat based on their life experiences. And, some people have had some pretty shiatty experiences. That could be the lens their looking at it through. I don't want this to be taken out of context or seen as "blaming the victim" because one person is at fault for any type of victimization, and that's the perpetrator. However, I think that people should have introspection into each of those situations as well and not wholly generalize one gender as "good" or "bad". Anyone from any demographic has the potential to be an asshole.
 
2013-01-25 07:07:31 PM

kombat_unit: WTF Indeed: LemSkroob: all women are whores. The only thing that changes are the terms of the contract.

Why do I get the feeling you have more than one ex-wife?

That doesn't make him wrong.


Sure it does. I know I'm late to the thread, but some women CAN AND DO take care of themselves and their own needs, because they've worked hard in a career to do so. And not all of them look like cave trolls.

I have a guy friend who only dates these gorgeous, airbrushed women, then he gets dumped and trashed on for not being rich, etc. I encouraged him to date a NORMAL woman for once, but he was out with a blonde whose bra size was bigger than her IQ again after that.

*shrug* you can tell a lot about a chick in the first ten minutes. If she's dripping designer clothes and French tip manicured nails, chances are she'll bleed you dry and be no fun in bed.

Look for a girl who doesn't have a purse dog, maybe isn't an artificial looking 9.5. Who has a job FIELD and an education. If you date a woman for her looks, looks are literally all you're going to get 99% of the time.

Just my two cents here.
 
2013-01-25 07:27:48 PM

KiwDaWabbit: WhippingBoy: For whatever reason, Fark attracts a lot of people who pass everything through a filter, seeing only what they want (or expect) to see. Actually, that's probably why it's so popular. As long as you're willing to ignore or trivialize any and all evidence to the contrary, you can always find something that will reinforce your narrow world view.

To me, that's the world at large and it's not just exclusive to Fark.

These types of threads tend to be more heated, in my opinion, because peoples' views are somewhat based on their life experiences. And, some people have had some pretty shiatty experiences. That could be the lens their looking at it through. I don't want this to be taken out of context or seen as "blaming the victim" because one person is at fault for any type of victimization, and that's the perpetrator. However, I think that people should have introspection into each of those situations as well and not wholly generalize one gender as "good" or "bad". Anyone from any demographic has the potential to be an asshole.


I agree. However, I do get the sense that some individuals consider themselves to be "victims", not because of their life experiences or anything that's happened to them, but because they've been taught ("indoctrinated" is probably a better term) that they're "victims". As such, they amplify every situation that conforms to this belief, and summarily dismiss any and all evidence to the contrary.
 
2013-01-25 07:38:42 PM

Ross E. Krushan: cookiefleck: The 60 yr old and the 20 yr old are both consenting adults. Why would anyone care? The author of the article sounds like he has a chip on his shoulder.

Says the skank who is a wannabe sugar baby. Yo, if you don't understand why this irks a lot of people, you are a serious moron.


Fcuck. You.
 
2013-01-25 07:44:41 PM
Just to clear my position up a little, I do not think all women are whores or all old men are pervs. It just happened to be true in the case of the two individuals about which I was talking.
Do I think women who prostitute themselves are whores? um... by definition, yes they are. Do I think men who procure the prostitute's services are pervs? yep, sure do
 
2013-01-25 07:46:25 PM

LazerFish: Just to clear my position up a little, I do not think all women are whores or all old men are pervs. It just happened to be true in the case of the two individuals about which I was talking.
Do I think women who prostitute themselves are whores? um... by definition, yes they are. Do I think men who procure the prostitute's services are pervs? yep, sure do


Why does fulfilling a desire for sex make one a "perv"?
 
2013-01-25 07:47:15 PM
I should qualify that: Why does fulfilling a desire for sex with another consenting adult under mutually agreed upon terms make one a "perv"?
 
2013-01-25 07:56:05 PM

WhippingBoy: LazerFish: Just to clear my position up a little, I do not think all women are whores or all old men are pervs. It just happened to be true in the case of the two individuals about which I was talking.
Do I think women who prostitute themselves are whores? um... by definition, yes they are. Do I think men who procure the prostitute's services are pervs? yep, sure do

Why does fulfilling a desire for sex make one a "perv"?


PERV? I dont think that word means what he thinks it means., But he is probably a closet gay.
 
2013-01-25 08:08:20 PM
I didn't say there was anything wrong with being a whore or a perv, but that's what they are, even if they try to make it sound cute by using sugardaddy/baby. Its all semantics.
 
2013-01-25 08:16:30 PM

WhippingBoy: I should qualify that: Why does fulfilling a desire for sex with another consenting adult under mutually agreed upon terms make one a "perv"?


Pervert - Noun A person whose sexual behavior is regarded as abnormal and unacceptable.

Is prostitution regarded as normal and acceptable? If not: pervert. If so: not pervert. So your real question isn't, "why is he a pervert," but rather, "why is our culture unaccepting of prostitution." That one probably has to do with everything from association with organized crime to puritanical religious roots to jealous mates.
 
2013-01-25 08:18:40 PM

LazerFish: I didn't say there was anything wrong with being a whore or a perv, but that's what they are, even if they try to make it sound cute by using sugardaddy/baby. Its all semantics.


so you still have no idea what the definition of perv is
look it up
post it here

given the massive number of men who sleep with prostitutes, sleeping with prostitutes is not unusual nor abnormal, certainly not perverted.
"One who practices sexual perversion."

Nope, having sex with a women is not sexual perversion.


but go ahead and pretend that you are using a word properly ... LOL
 
2013-01-25 08:19:04 PM
unfarkingbelievable: I thank you for the kinds words. Truth be told, I found a good country boy. He is a redneck and proud of it. We are very different. I am college educated--Master's in English and a college professor for the past 10 years. I am working on my second Master's in American Military History. He is a man who works with his hands. Never been to college. He works in farming/livestock. He works his ass off. He has taught me a lot about farming and livestock and the entire industry. I have been to livestock auctions and my kids have seen things most won't get to. I feel truly lucky to have him.

There are good men to be found. They are out there. I just had to look outside of my safe, comfortable world of college-educated men to find a different person. Not to say that college-educated men are not good catches, they are, but for me, it was time for something new. He stole my heart the day we met.

Sometimes he says things that betray the fact that he is smarter than he thinks. I know college educated does not always equal smart.
 
2013-01-25 08:21:22 PM

ProfessorOhki: WhippingBoy: I should qualify that: Why does fulfilling a desire for sex with another consenting adult under mutually agreed upon terms make one a "perv"?

Pervert - Noun A person whose sexual behavior is regarded as abnormal and unacceptable.

Is prostitution regarded as normal and acceptable? If not: pervert. If so: not pervert. So your real question isn't, "why is he a pervert," but rather, "why is our culture unaccepting of prostitution." That one probably has to do with everything from association with organized crime to puritanical religious roots to jealous mates.


given the massive number of people who hire prostitutes, there is no rational definition of abnormal which would include that significant percentage of the population.
unacceptable? only to people who think that sex is immoral and that women should have no control over their bodies.
people who want to control everyone else....

fark em
 
2013-01-25 08:22:25 PM

KiwDaWabbit: Shakespeare's Sister: KiwDaWabbit: Shakespeare's Sister: It is unfortunate that she turned out to be that way. Truthfully, both of our stories are anecdotal, so neither really proves anything.

Thanks. And, true; I was just more saying that things tend to lean a certain way. I second unfarkingbelievable's notion that you do seem pretty awesome, though. So, +1 Internets for you.

Thank you both for your kind words, and, you, KiwDaWabbit for the +1.

It has taken me quite a bit of time, and growing up, to realize what is important in a relationship. I think that my bf likes my age bc of the smarts that come with it. I don't play the games that some women do. I tell him what I am thinking and what I want in bed. He does not have to guess. I do not play the "if you knew me, you would know" game or say "nothing" and pout when he asks what is wrong. I do not give the silent treatment or withhold sex. Those are games of the immature. Besides. . .withholding sex.. . that means I don't get any. Fark that. I want to walk funny the next day and be tired. Besides being better lovers, there is a lot to be said for dating a woman 5+ years older than you.

Do you have a sister?


No, I am sorry to say I do not. But, I cannot be the only woman out there like me.
 
2013-01-25 08:25:33 PM

ProfessorOhki: Is prostitution regarded as normal and acceptable? If not: pervert. If so: not pervert. So your real question isn't, "why is he a pervert," but rather, "why is our culture unaccepting of prostitution." That one probably has to do with everything from association with organized crime to puritanical religious roots to jealous mates.


In general, I don't really care if people engage in prostitution. If anything, it might distract our culture from it's fixation on violence.

However, on a personal level, since being a former prostitute is a deal-breaker for me in a relationship, I feel like it would be wrong for me to go out and rent one for my own needs (frankly, I wouldn't know where to even start). But I could really give a shiat what other people do as long as it doesn't hurt me, my family, etc.
 
2013-01-25 08:25:50 PM

ProfessorOhki: WhippingBoy: I should qualify that: Why does fulfilling a desire for sex with another consenting adult under mutually agreed upon terms make one a "perv"?

Pervert - Noun A person whose sexual behavior is regarded as abnormal and unacceptable.

Is prostitution regarded as normal and acceptable? If not: pervert. If so: not pervert. So your real question isn't, "why is he a pervert," but rather, "why is our culture unaccepting of prostitution." That one probably has to do with everything from association with organized crime to puritanical religious roots to jealous mates.


No, that's not my question at all. But that really doesn't matter to you, does it?

My point is why not call them both "pervs"? Or if you're going to use dictionary definitions (like "prostitute"), call him a "john". There's a definite value judgement in the use of the word "perv".
 
2013-01-25 08:30:27 PM

namatad: ProfessorOhki: WhippingBoy: I should qualify that: Why does fulfilling a desire for sex with another consenting adult under mutually agreed upon terms make one a "perv"?

Pervert - Noun A person whose sexual behavior is regarded as abnormal and unacceptable.

Is prostitution regarded as normal and acceptable? If not: pervert. If so: not pervert. So your real question isn't, "why is he a pervert," but rather, "why is our culture unaccepting of prostitution." That one probably has to do with everything from association with organized crime to puritanical religious roots to jealous mates.

given the massive number of people who hire prostitutes, there is no rational definition of abnormal which would include that significant percentage of the population.
unacceptable? only to people who think that sex is immoral and that women should have no control over their bodies.
people who want to control everyone else....

fark em


Wow, that wasn't even subtle. You used prostitution while addressing "abnormal" and then switched to sex for "unacceptable". The trick to effective goalpost moving is to do it gradually; you keep 'em just out of reach like some sort of sadistic Zeno's Paradox. You don't just up and teleport them; it lacks subtly and isn't enjoyable for anyone.

/Though, it did say "AND" rather than "OR"
//I don't have an answer acceptably abnormal
///or unacceptably normal

KiwDaWabbit: ProfessorOhki: Is prostitution regarded as normal and acceptable? If not: pervert. If so: not pervert. So your real question isn't, "why is he a pervert," but rather, "why is our culture unaccepting of prostitution." That one probably has to do with everything from association with organized crime to puritanical religious roots to jealous mates.

In general, I don't really care if people engage in prostitution. If anything, it might distract our culture from it's fixation on violence.

However, on a personal level, since being a former prostitute is a deal-breaker for me in a relationship, I feel like it would be wrong for me to go out and rent one for my own needs (frankly, I wouldn't know where to even start). But I could really give a shiat what other people do as long as it doesn't hurt me, my family, etc.


Same, I was just addressing the "what makes someone a perv" bit.
 
2013-01-25 08:32:45 PM
A "perv" is male. A female perv is "empowered"
 
2013-01-25 08:34:40 PM

WhippingBoy: ProfessorOhki: WhippingBoy: I should qualify that: Why does fulfilling a desire for sex with another consenting adult under mutually agreed upon terms make one a "perv"?

Pervert - Noun A person whose sexual behavior is regarded as abnormal and unacceptable.

Is prostitution regarded as normal and acceptable? If not: pervert. If so: not pervert. So your real question isn't, "why is he a pervert," but rather, "why is our culture unaccepting of prostitution." That one probably has to do with everything from association with organized crime to puritanical religious roots to jealous mates.

No, that's not my question at all. But that really doesn't matter to you, does it?

My point is why not call them both "pervs"? Or if you're going to use dictionary definitions (like "prostitute"), call him a "john". There's a definite value judgement in the use of the word "perv".


"John" was the word I originally wanted to use, and if I knew the word perv (which i have never used before) would be repeated so many times I would have. pervert is a relative term.
 
2013-01-25 08:37:33 PM

WhippingBoy: ProfessorOhki: WhippingBoy: I should qualify that: Why does fulfilling a desire for sex with another consenting adult under mutually agreed upon terms make one a "perv"?

Pervert - Noun A person whose sexual behavior is regarded as abnormal and unacceptable.

Is prostitution regarded as normal and acceptable? If not: pervert. If so: not pervert. So your real question isn't, "why is he a pervert," but rather, "why is our culture unaccepting of prostitution." That one probably has to do with everything from association with organized crime to puritanical religious roots to jealous mates.

No, that's not my question at all. But that really doesn't matter to you, does it?

My point is why not call them both "pervs"? Or if you're going to use dictionary definitions (like "prostitute"), call him a "john". There's a definite value judgement in the use of the word "perv".


Oh, that distinction? Hmm, didn't read yours that way; good question though. I'd say the obvious reason is because prostitute one would assume the prostitute is motivated by the financial aspect than the sexual aspect. I'm not going to reread the thread, but did people generally use both "whore" and "perv" or were they always separate groups? Choosing imbalanced pairs judgement v. dictionary pairs like prostitute/perv and whore/john might be telling about a sex bias in value-judgement. Dunno.

The dictionary definition of perv fits either though.
 
2013-01-25 09:06:43 PM

Shakespeare's Sister: KiwDaWabbit: Shakespeare's Sister: It is unfortunate that she turned out to be that way. Truthfully, both of our stories are anecdotal, so neither really proves anything.

Thanks. And, true; I was just more saying that things tend to lean a certain way. I second unfarkingbelievable's notion that you do seem pretty awesome, though. So, +1 Internets for you.

Thank you both for your kind words, and, you, KiwDaWabbit for the +1.

It has taken me quite a bit of time, and growing up, to realize what is important in a relationship. I think that my bf likes my age bc of the smarts that come with it. I don't play the games that some women do. I tell him what I am thinking and what I want in bed. He does not have to guess. I do not play the "if you knew me, you would know" game or say "nothing" and pout when he asks what is wrong. I do not give the silent treatment or withhold sex. Those are games of the immature. Besides. . .withholding sex.. . that means I don't get any. Fark that. I want to walk funny the next day and be tired. Besides being better lovers, there is a lot to be said for dating a woman 5+ years older than you.


Amen to that! My lady is 6 years older than me and I'm 27.

In my opinion older girls have less psychosis going on. No offense to the younger crowd, but girls my age and under seem to be either wicked hyper or they hear things that aren't said.
 
2013-01-25 10:08:19 PM

Shakespeare's Sister: unfarkingbelievable: I thank you for the kinds words. Truth be told, I found a good country boy. He is a redneck and proud of it. We are very different. I am college educated--Master's in English and a college professor for the past 10 years. I am working on my second Master's in American Military History. He is a man who works with his hands. Never been to college. He works in farming/livestock. He works his ass off. He has taught me a lot about farming and livestock and the entire industry. I have been to livestock auctions and my kids have seen things most won't get to. I feel truly lucky to have him.

There are good men to be found. They are out there. I just had to look outside of my safe, comfortable world of college-educated men to find a different person. Not to say that college-educated men are not good catches, they are, but for me, it was time for something new. He stole my heart the day we met.

Sometimes he says things that betray the fact that he is smarter than he thinks. I know college educated does not always equal smart.


It sounds like you're a far sight happier than you were the last couple of times I noticed you posting. Good for you.
 
2013-01-25 10:10:01 PM
Age isn't always a great indicator.

I'd say that a better one is "stage in life". At the time we broke up, I was 34 and she was about to turn 28. However, she was basically in a stage of life that would typically be representative of a 19 year old.

I think that contributed a lot to our problems, along with both of our baggage.

I only found out the thing about her taking money for sex after we broke up (but, as I said, if I would have known beforehand, there would have never been a relationship).
 
2013-01-25 10:53:09 PM

udhq: Hagenhatesyouall: "Prostitute"?

It's 2013.

Society needs to quit being afraid of farking and accept the fact that the working girl performs a valuable, and therapeutic, service to society.

My first instinct towards prostitution is a libertarian one. Unfortunately, at least around where I live, so many of the so-called "prostitutes" are not here and selling themselves voluntarily.

Until we are able to solve human trafficking, I cannot in good conscience support legalized prostitution. And this is coming from a guy who otherwise supports all kinds of drug/vice decriminalization.


One of the first steps in getting a handle on the human trafficking problem is to legalize prostitution. Once you do that the biggest threat held over the trafficked women is gone. Once it is generally known that the police won't lock you up because you are a whore, and that if you can get away you can walk into a police station and get protected from your captors, well the game is different. Trafficked women would have to be kept under much tighter control by their pimps than they are now. Today, street trafficked prostitutes generally will not talk to the police even if they are busted - their pimp comes and bails them out and they are right back where they were. They feel the stigma that has been dropped on prostitution and distrust anyone in the government. That has to be corrected before you get the victims to be more forthcoming and make it easier for them to help themselves.

In addition, once you legalize prostitution you drive it's price down. The pimps get less money, can afford fewer girls. You redirect the money that was going into human trafficking from the Johns that were really there just to get off. Granted, the truly perverted will still gravitate to the pimps and trafficked women because the legal prostitutes will tell them to take a hike, and call the cops if they don't.

Waiting for the human trafficking problem to be solved before legalizing prostitution is putting the cart before the horse.
BTW - the war on drugs has to end as well - if the girls/women weren't addicts before they were trafficked, you can expect they are after they are controlled by a pimp - being their source of drugs is an easy way that control can be extended. So I don't hold my breath on this one - the "just ban it" crowd can't see their complicity in the human trafficking problem. Monsters the lot of them.
 
2013-01-25 11:12:40 PM
But if we make sex for money illegal then only criminals will have sex for money!


/I swear I had a better gun debate metaphor joke before I went to to the bathroom
 
2013-01-25 11:19:38 PM

ProfessorOhki: LindenFark: udhq: Until we are able to solve human trafficking, I cannot in good conscience support legalized prostitution. And this is coming from a guy who otherwise supports all kinds of drug/vice decriminalization.

Wouldn't legalization provide avenues to solve human trafficking? Once OSHA is involved, it will become a crap low paying job like any other. There will be no need or advantage to forcing people into it. And even if that didn't succeed, wouldn't legalized prostitution at worst not make human trafficking any worse?

You think OSHA would be awkward, just wait until they unionize.


You owe me a keyboard. And 3 gallons of mind bleach. I just had a vision of a Union run bordello. Basically turn everything on it's head.

Instead of you the customer choosing from the women currently available, the women choose you. You get sat down in a waiting room reject chair, and one at a time they come through the room to decide if they are going to "do" you. Unfortunately the come through by descending order of seniority. The longest working one comes in, and if she wants to take your money, that's what you get. Gggnnaaaaahhhh! Think BBW mature if you want a porn genre.

Next you go to a work rule negotiated room that is also OSHA compliant. Overweight fat dude in studded leather harness with ass-less chaps sits in the corner. He's "security". She gets into the adjustable height bed and uses what looks to be a crane remote (ugly yellow, appears to have been dropped 30 times a day) to "assist" herself into position. (BTW - I'm already running for a non-Union shop somewhere else - this nightmare is for everyone else)

Now before you go any further out comes a clipboard with a 15 page stack of rules, and you have to initialize in 5 places. Sign on bottom. One was a medical release form. Security dude waddles over to get the clipboard and passes that on to someone else. He steps out of the room for 5 seconds and has handed that off to someone else. You get told to "make yourself comfortable - this will be a while". You realize you aren't getting into the "bed" until that paperwork is done, and the only other chair is a tall stool the security guy was sitting on. He's been teabagging the stool top for the last 5 years but he offers you the stool to help get undressed.

About 20 minutes later some pretty young chick sticks her head into the room - she's the person your forms went to. You've tried hitting on her the last 4 weekends at a local bar. Guess that's over. She tells the crew "He checks out - have fun!" and bounces her way out.

BTW - you've been on clock the whole time.

/This is what happens when give me bad visions - I share them.
 
2013-01-26 12:06:34 AM
Financially supporting your mistress isn't prostitution.
 
2013-01-26 12:08:01 AM
the Rolling Stones - Some Girls sums up every biatch ever born. like i commented above.
 
2013-01-26 01:30:18 AM
Prostitutes are cheaper than "real" girlfriends.
 
2013-01-26 02:04:11 AM

KiwDaWabbit: Age isn't always a great indicator.

I'd say that a better one is "stage in life". At the time we broke up, I was 34 and she was about to turn 28. However, she was basically in a stage of life that would typically be representative of a 19 year old.

I think that contributed a lot to our problems, along with both of our baggage.

I only found out the thing about her taking money for sex after we broke up (but, as I said, if I would have known beforehand, there would have never been a relationship).


Amen to that. I was a world-weary 23 year old. I know 30 year olds who still can't hold a job because they're always hungover.

And bifford, see my previous post. Any "real" girlfriend worth her salt buys her own car, pays her own bills, and shells out for her own downloadable content for her PS3 games. You're dating the wrong ones, clearly.
 
2013-01-26 02:58:39 AM
People sure do love to be morally outraged, don't they?
 
2013-01-26 10:02:54 AM
I prefer to call them materialistic money grubbing whores.
 
2013-01-26 05:50:21 PM

the_rev: Ross E. Krushan: cookiefleck: The 60 yr old and the 20 yr old are both consenting adults. Why would anyone care? The author of the article sounds like he has a chip on his shoulder.

Says the skank who is a wannabe sugar baby. Yo, if you don't understand why this irks a lot of people, you are a serious moron.

Fcuck. You.


Awww, look at the widdle white knight trying to come to the wescue! Seriously, who the fark are you and why do you feel the need to comment to me? Asshole. Go buy yourself an hour with the $10 hooker on your local street corner. Hint, dont' wear a rubber; hopefully you'll get an STD.
 
2013-01-26 06:58:41 PM
That girl's got more class in a single eyelash, than you can ever hope to achieve. Your posts are proof enough of that.
 
2013-01-26 11:49:04 PM

KiwDaWabbit: ProfessorOhki: Is prostitution regarded as normal and acceptable? If not: pervert. If so: not pervert. So your real question isn't, "why is he a pervert," but rather, "why is our culture unaccepting of prostitution." That one probably has to do with everything from association with organized crime to puritanical religious roots to jealous mates.

In general, I don't really care if people engage in prostitution. If anything, it might distract our culture from it's fixation on violence.

However, on a personal level, since being a former prostitute is a deal-breaker for me in a relationship, I feel like it would be wrong for me to go out and rent one for my own needs (frankly, I wouldn't know where to even start). But I could really give a shiat what other people do as long as it doesn't hurt me, my family, etc.


If more people got laid there'd be less violence.
 
2013-01-27 08:14:53 AM

CigaretteSmokingMan: If more people got laid there'd be less violence.


That's what I said?
 
2013-01-27 03:12:00 PM

vonapathy: Hm, I've always made a point to date men who made less $$$ than me; I deeply, deeply loath the idea sugar baby/daddy relationships, or that I owe a man sex because he paid for X, Y, or Z.

As it were, I'm happily married to a man who currently, and probably always will, earn less $$ than me. If he were to suddenly come into a lot of money, or somehow get massive raise, I know I'd be fairly uncomfortable and insecure with our new arrangement.

Needless to say, I love me some broke n*ggas.


I've been in a few of those relationships but my comfort zone is with my hubby, he makes slightly more than me and I like it when he pays for dinner. But on the big stuff, jumping in for that show we both want to see is more my speed, last year is was Primus 3D on my tab. This year I'm seriously considering Rock on the Range.

/yes our finances are still pretty much independent of each other
//he gets the mortgage
///I get pretty much everything else
////except cars, those are independent too
 
2013-01-27 06:17:07 PM

MycroftHolmes: justanotherfarkinfarker: Hopefully I have the money to get that kind of setup going in my 60's+

My favorite story, probably not a true one, was the millionaire who left it in his will, and made it publicly known, that his estate would go to the last woman he slept with. He guaranteed not only quantity but quality as well (I think foul play was considered a disqualifier).


That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

/One-third to her, two-thirds to the 2nd to last
//Oh the possibilities
///Loves me some free market solutions
 
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