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2013-01-25 09:58:50 AM  
It is true that Virginians can't drive in the snow. But this is primarily due to the fact that most of them are hurrying to the supermarket to stock up on the three-week supply of emergency milk, eggs, and toilet paper that an inch of blizzard might produce in the region. This causes long lines in the stores, which causes traffic jams in the parking lots, and effect that then ripples out to the roads. The only solution would be to create some sort of Federal Emergency Snow Supply Agenecy (FESSA) which could distribute, perhaps via helicopter or drone drop, these critical supplies to families throughout the region without necessitating those families venturing out into the tundra.
 
2013-01-25 10:05:53 AM  

Pocket Ninja: It is true that Virginians can't drive in the snow. But this is primarily due to the fact that most of them are hurrying to the supermarket to stock up on the three-week supply of emergency milk, eggs, and toilet paper that an inch of blizzard might produce in the region. This causes long lines in the stores, which causes traffic jams in the parking lots, and effect that then ripples out to the roads. The only solution would be to create some sort of Federal Emergency Snow Supply Agenecy (FESSA) which could distribute, perhaps via helicopter or drone drop, these critical supplies to families throughout the region without necessitating those families venturing out into the tundra.


For those of you that think this is just another one of Pocke Ninja's works of satirical art, it isn't.  This post is 100% true.
 
2013-01-25 10:06:37 AM  
Link to Fark article?

Someone?

Anyone?
 
2013-01-25 10:12:50 AM  
I've been sitting here stuck in traffic on I-95 between DC and Fredericksburg since May 17, 2010, so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies.
 
Pud
2013-01-25 10:21:58 AM  

doyner: Pocket Ninja: It is true that Virginians can't drive in the snow. But this is primarily due to the fact that most of them are hurrying to the supermarket to stock up on the three-week supply of emergency milk, eggs, and toilet paper that an inch of blizzard might produce in the region. This causes long lines in the stores, which causes traffic jams in the parking lots, and effect that then ripples out to the roads. The only solution would be to create some sort of Federal Emergency Snow Supply Agenecy (FESSA) which could distribute, perhaps via helicopter or drone drop, these critical supplies to families throughout the region without necessitating those families venturing out into the tundra.

For those of you that think this is just another one of Pocke Ninja's works of satirical art, it isn't.  This post is 100% true.


I grew up there, PN was spot on. The only thing he missed is the run on beer. If it's going to snow 100 miles away every Virginian is obligated to buy as much beer as they can, whether they drink or not. I think it's a law
 
2013-01-25 10:31:07 AM  

Pud: I grew up there, PN was spot on. The only thing he missed is the run on beer. If it's going to snow 100 miles away every Virginian is obligated to buy as much beer as they can, whether they drink or not. I think it's a law


In all seriousness, I think that the shiatty driving around here is because of the overwhelming diversity.  People come here from all over the nation (and the world for that matter), bringing their own driving norms to this highly-congested area.  There is no uniformity of habit; making everyone relatively unpredicatable.  There are enough no-snow-climate drivers here to seed gridlock and collisions to ensure that the first flake to fall from the sky will create mayhem amongst the flakes already behind the wheel.
 
2013-01-25 10:52:56 AM  
What about Texas? Anyone see that King of the Hill where snowflakes appeared and everyone sudden crashed to the sides of the road?
 
2013-01-25 10:53:03 AM  
Hilly? Virginia? LOL. The east coast hasn't a clue as to what a mountain is let alone a hill. Give me a farking break.
 
2013-01-25 10:53:07 AM  
Virginians also stock up in diapers. Even if they don't have children. Very odd.
 
2013-01-25 10:53:42 AM  
I can't speak for Virginia, but having lived in Florida for the last 20 years I can safely say the people here do not know how the drive. Also, Orlando (where I happen to live) is rated the most deadly city in the US to drive and be a pedestrian.

I really need to get a dashboard camera like the Russians but all the ones I see online are Chinese made and don't look reliable.
 
2013-01-25 10:55:05 AM  

DoomPaul: I can't speak for Virginia, but having lived in Florida for the last 20 years I can safely say the people here do not know how the drive. Also, Orlando (where I happen to live) is rated the most deadly city in the US to drive and be a pedestrian.

I really need to get a dashboard camera like the Russians but all the ones I see online are Chinese made and don't look reliable.


well i would suspect that it would be very dangerous to drive and be a pedestrian at the same time. course it would also be very challenging to pull both off :)
 
2013-01-25 10:55:15 AM  

doyner: Pud: I grew up there, PN was spot on. The only thing he missed is the run on beer. If it's going to snow 100 miles away every Virginian is obligated to buy as much beer as they can, whether they drink or not. I think it's a law

In all seriousness, I think that the shiatty driving around here is because of the overwhelming diversity.  People come here from all over the nation (and the world for that matter), bringing their own driving norms to this highly-congested area.  There is no uniformity of habit; making everyone relatively unpredicatable.  There are enough no-snow-climate drivers here to seed gridlock and collisions to ensure that the first flake to fall from the sky will create mayhem amongst the flakes already behind the wheel.


Thats always been my theory of the area as well a lot of people from warm climates thinking that their 4WD SUV can go over ice like its normal road cause "Hey I got 4WD!"

/dreading the storm that is supposed to start at 3pm today.
 
2013-01-25 10:55:32 AM  
"Proof Virginians people can't drive" read the headline on the website Fark, followed by hundreds of comments agreeing

FTFE

People in general are goddam retards behind the wheel. I drive in Dallas, BTW.
 
2013-01-25 10:56:12 AM  
Chicago drivers didn't do themselves any favors this morning. A light dusting and 2 1/2 hours outbound to O'Hare?
 
2013-01-25 10:56:12 AM  
Meh. I'm from CNY. To me, everyone south of PA and east of the Mississippi are crappy snow-drivers.

Live in WV so have learned to live with it.

What makes me standby are the OH drivers doing 50 in the passing lane. Passive-aggressive farkers.
 
2013-01-25 10:56:21 AM  
I had a friend from PA laughing at how badly everybody in Texas was driving after a fairly minor ice storm. He then proceeded to slip and fall off of an M1 Abrams tank and snapped his forearm like a pretzel rod. I guess he was Army smart, but not Army strong.
 
2013-01-25 10:56:56 AM  

swingbozo: Hilly? Virginia? LOL. The east coast hasn't a clue as to what a mountain is let alone a hill. Give me a farking break.


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2013-01-25 10:57:30 AM  
The drivers in my state are far worse than the drivers in your state.

Says everybody.
 
2013-01-25 10:57:31 AM  

doyner: For those of you that think this is just another one of Pocke Ninja's works of satirical art, it isn't. This post is 100% true.


Not quite 100%: the staples are milk, bread, and toilet paper. Other than that, though, it's spot-on. No need for satire.
 
2013-01-25 10:58:03 AM  
Standby=stabby. Auto-correct pwn.
 
2013-01-25 10:59:53 AM  
No one anywhere can drive.

I estimate that about 80-85% of the general populace don't drive properly.

The 15% who drive properly will agree instantly.
If you disagree, it means you're part of the 85%. Cause if you knew how to drive you would seriously agree instantly.

The biggest problem is no one pays attention. You'r driving a 3,000lb death machine. Pay attention.

Even if we just STARTED with everyone maintaining speed and using turn signals, the world would be such a better place.

/90 min round-trip commute
//I've had to turn it into a funny game in my head, or else I'd have been driven crazy by now
 
2013-01-25 11:00:12 AM  
I once drove from the West Virginia border to the junction with I-70 on I-81, about 300 miles, without going over 62 mph once because Virginians drive at 62 mph in both lanes at all times.
 
2013-01-25 11:00:25 AM  

Pocket Ninja: It is true that Virginians can't drive in the snow. But this is primarily due to the fact that most of them are hurrying to the supermarket to stock up on the three-week supply of emergency milk, eggs, and toilet paper that an inch of blizzard might produce in the region. This causes long lines in the stores, which causes traffic jams in the parking lots, and effect that then ripples out to the roads. The only solution would be to create some sort of Federal Emergency Snow Supply Agenecy (FESSA) which could distribute, perhaps via helicopter or drone drop, these critical supplies to families throughout the region without necessitating those families venturing out into the tundra.


^^^^ SOOO MUCH THIS ^^^^

As a VA resident I can attest to the unbelievable panic that ripples through this state at the sight of a single flake. It's snowing here right now in SW VA and my roomie (works at wal mart) says its PACKED. No bread, no eggs and no milk. And we're only supposed to get 2in. This state is stupid
 
2013-01-25 11:00:30 AM  

Pocket Ninja: It is true that Virginians can't drive in the snow. But this is primarily due to the fact that most of them are hurrying to the supermarket to stock up on the three-week supply of emergency milk, eggs, and toilet paper that an inch of blizzard might produce in the region. This causes long lines in the stores, which causes traffic jams in the parking lots, and effect that then ripples out to the roads. The only solution would be to create some sort of Federal Emergency Snow Supply Agenecy (FESSA) which could distribute, perhaps via helicopter or drone drop, these critical supplies to families throughout the region without necessitating those families venturing out into the tundra.


So, Virginians are just like North Carolinians, then.
 
2013-01-25 11:02:23 AM  

doyner:
In all seriousness, I think that the shiatty driving around here is because of the overwhelming diversity.  People come here from all over the nation (and the world for that matter), bringing their own driving norms to this highly-congested area.  There is no uniformity of habit; making everyone relatively unpredicatable.  There are enough no-snow-climate drivers here to seed gridlock and collisions to ensure that the first flake to fall from the sky will create mayhem amongst the flakes already behind the wheel.


^this

Snow aside, the diversity of the people here are the major factor of virginia's poor driving. In other countries it is customary to just go where you are going, paying no regard to traffic signals, other cars. top that with the need to get 73 rolls of tp and milk, its a disaster. 1 inch yesterday, 2 co-workers totalled cars......
 
2013-01-25 11:02:59 AM  

swingbozo: Hilly? Virginia? LOL. The east coast hasn't a clue as to what a mountain is let alone a hill. Give me a farking break.


I'm not saying NoVa is bad but western Va is pretty dang hilly. The descent from Virginia into NC on 77 is terrifying if weather is poor.
 
2013-01-25 11:03:03 AM  

swingbozo: Hilly? Virginia? LOL. The east coast hasn't a clue as to what a mountain is let alone a hill. Give me a farking break.


The highest point in my state (New Jersey) is 1803 feet above sea level. Which isn't impressive until you consider we are actually at sea level.

We clearly not like the Rockies but it's not like mountainous terrain isn't all that uncommon on the East Coast. I'm only 20 minutes from the water's edge and I'm 289 feet above sea level.
 
2013-01-25 11:03:39 AM  

doyner: Pud: I grew up there, PN was spot on. The only thing he missed is the run on beer. If it's going to snow 100 miles away every Virginian is obligated to buy as much beer as they can, whether they drink or not. I think it's a law

In all seriousness, I think that the shiatty driving around here is because of the overwhelming diversity.  People come here from all over the nation (and the world for that matter), bringing their own driving norms to this highly-congested area.  There is no uniformity of habit; making everyone relatively unpredicatable.  There are enough no-snow-climate drivers here to seed gridlock and collisions to ensure that the first flake to fall from the sky will create mayhem amongst the flakes already behind the wheel.


I don't know about that. There doesn't seem to be any diversity to VA drivers that I see on the highways. Almost every time I see a car with a VA license plate on I-95, it's in the left lane traveling within 5 mph of the speed limit and clogging up traffic behind them. And they only move over a lane when people start to try passing them on the right. It's like they need to get in the way as much as possible no matter what they're doing. I thought I'd be done seeing that happen when I moved to Boston from the MD/DE area, but every so often I still see VA plates up here doing the same thing.
 
2013-01-25 11:05:04 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: I don't know about that. There doesn't seem to be any diversity to VA drivers that I see on the highways. Almost every time I see a car with a VA license plate on I-95, it's in the left lane traveling within 5 mph of the speed limit and clogging up traffic behind them. And they only move over a lane when people start to try passing them on the right. It's like they need to get in the way as much as possible no matter what they're doing. I thought I'd be done seeing that happen when I moved to Boston from the MD/DE area, but every so often I still see VA plates up here doing the same thing.


More states need stricter "slower traffic keep right" laws.
 
2013-01-25 11:05:18 AM  
Dear Virginians:

Pussies.

Signed,
Canada
 
2013-01-25 11:05:37 AM  
CSB time

So I worked from home yesterday because snow + crazy inept drivers = problems, but I did have to venture out for lunch. I was just starting down the very large steep hill on the back side of my neighborhood and it was pretty slick with the packed down snow and this lady walks into the street about 30 feet in front of me and holds out her hand to stop me. I had to quickly tap the breaks and try to stop before hitting her and I managed not to run her over and just missed a van parked on the side of the road. Her husband had gotten them stuck because their rear wheel drive Lexus couldn't get up the same hill. After berating the lady and letting her know that you can't make a quick stop on an incline when the roads are like this, I tried to explain to them that if they backed all the way down the hill, they might be able to get enough momentum going to get the car back up. He didn't understand and backed his car into parking position on the other side of the street. I left. They're probably still there. They were Asian and obviously foreign so I felt pretty bad for them. Poor lady was distraught. And that's why I don't like to drive when there's snow and/or ice around here.

/CSB
//Midwest kid with a winter birthday. I was doing donuts on the snow in a parking lot with dad before I ever got my license.
 
2013-01-25 11:08:19 AM  

ph0rk: AdmirableSnackbar: I don't know about that. There doesn't seem to be any diversity to VA drivers that I see on the highways. Almost every time I see a car with a VA license plate on I-95, it's in the left lane traveling within 5 mph of the speed limit and clogging up traffic behind them. And they only move over a lane when people start to try passing them on the right. It's like they need to get in the way as much as possible no matter what they're doing. I thought I'd be done seeing that happen when I moved to Boston from the MD/DE area, but every so often I still see VA plates up here doing the same thing.

More states need stricter "slower traffic keep right" laws.


NJ used to do it right (not sure if they still do). A buddy of mine - with NJ plates - got pulled over for traveling too long in the left lane with nobody in the right lane to pass. They're really strict about left lane travel, which is great, but it also seems to cause NJ drivers to abuse the left lane when they're not in the dirty jerz.
 
2013-01-25 11:11:38 AM  
I got my breakfast/lunch for work this morning at my local grocery store and it was PACKED. They've learned to overstock on milk, bread, and eggs when the reports threaten of snow. It snowed last week and it was the same thing. Its crazy how the mindset was EVERYBODY PANIC when it threatens to snow here. Schools close before a flake begins to fall

Oh and Virginians in general can't drive. Though I'm not sure if I feel safer with the ineptness down here or the maniacs up north
 
2013-01-25 11:11:39 AM  
I live close to a ski resort in WV, we get a lot of tourists from all over the country. You constantly see these expensive looking out of state SUVs stuck in a ditch and a rusty old wv pickup pulling them out. VA drivers are bad, but not compared to those folks who come from those flat states with nothing but straight roads.
 
2013-01-25 11:12:21 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: ph0rk: AdmirableSnackbar: I don't know about that. There doesn't seem to be any diversity to VA drivers that I see on the highways. Almost every time I see a car with a VA license plate on I-95, it's in the left lane traveling within 5 mph of the speed limit and clogging up traffic behind them. And they only move over a lane when people start to try passing them on the right. It's like they need to get in the way as much as possible no matter what they're doing. I thought I'd be done seeing that happen when I moved to Boston from the MD/DE area, but every so often I still see VA plates up here doing the same thing.

More states need stricter "slower traffic keep right" laws.

NJ used to do it right (not sure if they still do). A buddy of mine - with NJ plates - got pulled over for traveling too long in the left lane with nobody in the right lane to pass. They're really strict about left lane travel, which is great, but it also seems to cause NJ drivers to abuse the left lane when they're not in the dirty jerz.


That would be great - I can do my 7-8mph over the limit and not have to yell at people doing 5mph under me.

Georgia appears to be better about it than NC, NC has a guideline on the books but only a guideline, and it is never "enforced". (I think if you obstruct traffic enough, a LEO can do something about it, but that never happens).
 
2013-01-25 11:13:30 AM  
As a upstate New Yorker who deals with feet of lake effect snow, these comments have left me giggling uncontrollably. Thank you!
 
2013-01-25 11:15:57 AM  

take_flight: As a upstate New Yorker who deals with feet of lake effect snow, these comments have left me giggling uncontrollably. Thank you!


Not that it has happened here yet in this case, but you probably don't have the rapid freeze/thaw cycles we get down here. In addition to bad infrastructure for snow (no plows or salt trucks to speak of, this is changing though) we also have very prevalent ice problems.

FWIW, down here in NC as often as not a snow/ice related accident on the interstate is an SUV with NY or NJ plates, so there.
 
2013-01-25 11:16:15 AM  
Good to see old acquaintance John Townsend quoted!
 
2013-01-25 11:16:53 AM  
I have a doctor appointment in Newport News this afternoon. I live in Norfolk and have to go across the HRBT and it is expected to should start snowing right around then. I'm kind of dreading the drive. My snow driving experience is limited to one winter in New York and being from the south, I just tried to avoid driving in the snow if I could. MY car is AWD and has ABS. That helps me grip and stop straight (not shorter) but I'm a bit out of practice. Add in the craptastic driving style of most everyone in the Hampton Roads region and I'm sure it'll turn into a clusterfark shortly.
 
2013-01-25 11:18:32 AM  
I gotta say, as much as I complain about MA traffic, we do snow pretty well. I grew up in western NY though, so the "blizzards" we get here in the Massachuviet Union make me chortle in my superiority.
 
2013-01-25 11:19:15 AM  
We were coming back from visiting my mom in GA, knowing some snow would fall on our way back.  We stopped in North Carolina rather than try to go any further north back to Pennsylvania so we didn't hit snow in the dark in Virginia.  We left the hotel that morning and we knew North Carolina would be crappy for driving, but knew we were only 20 miles from the border, and thought the Virginian drivers would be used to it, since it was the mountains.  Nope.  The only time we had any sustained travel at a reasonable speed was when we were around Roanoke.  We must've passed by 75 accidents.  We drove like 150 miles in seven hours.  HORSES PULLING A FARKING CARRIAGE could've gone farther!

We haven't driven South since.
 
2013-01-25 11:20:46 AM  

RoughTrickNamedJim: I have a doctor appointment in Newport News this afternoon. I live in Norfolk and have to go across the HRBT and it is expected to should start snowing right around then. I'm kind of dreading the drive. My snow driving experience is limited to one winter in New York and being from the south, I just tried to avoid driving in the snow if I could. MY car is AWD and has ABS. That helps me grip and stop straight (not shorter) but I'm a bit out of practice. Add in the craptastic driving style of most everyone in the Hampton Roads region and I'm sure it'll turn into a clusterfark shortly.


Slow down, take your time and leave lots of space. Oh and hope you don't get sideswiped by a crazy asshole who thinks their SUV is impervious to ice.
 
2013-01-25 11:21:16 AM  

RoughTrickNamedJim: I have a doctor appointment in Newport News this afternoon. I live in Norfolk and have to go across the HRBT and it is expected to should start snowing right around then. I'm kind of dreading the drive. My snow driving experience is limited to one winter in New York and being from the south, I just tried to avoid driving in the snow if I could. MY car is AWD and has ABS. That helps me grip and stop straight (not shorter) but I'm a bit out of practice. Add in the craptastic driving style of most everyone in the Hampton Roads region and I'm sure it'll turn into a clusterfark shortly.


Just go slow. People who are really used to the snow get a little annoyed with people who drive 25 mph when the roads are better than that, but it beats being the guy who veers through traffic at 75 like it's a dry sunny day and ends up rolled over in the median.
 
2013-01-25 11:21:35 AM  
I used to live in NoVa, and it seems they would close school early if snow started accumulating more than 1/2 inch. My coworkers would freak out and have to leave to pick their kids up even though the roads were not bad at all. (Plus, they drove SUVs that seemed more than capable of driving safely on slightly slushy roads.)

I'm just bitter --- I'm from Western PA and growing up there needed to be a good 4-5 inches of snow for school to even be delayed two hours. Nothing like getting your hopes up for school to be cancelled and not even getting a delay. (I know, CoolStorySis...)

/PA people can't drive either, actually no one can. I'm in So Cal now and they can't blame the horrible driving here on snow. Rain, maybe.

// This is the first thing I thought of when I read the headline.
 
2013-01-25 11:22:08 AM  

reklamfox: Pocket Ninja: It is true that Virginians can't drive in the snow. But this is primarily due to the fact that most of them are hurrying to the supermarket to stock up on the three-week supply of emergency milk, eggs, and toilet paper that an inch of blizzard might produce in the region. This causes long lines in the stores, which causes traffic jams in the parking lots, and effect that then ripples out to the roads. The only solution would be to create some sort of Federal Emergency Snow Supply Agenecy (FESSA) which could distribute, perhaps via helicopter or drone drop, these critical supplies to families throughout the region without necessitating those families venturing out into the tundra.

^^^^ SOOO MUCH THIS ^^^^

As a VA resident I can attest to the unbelievable panic that ripples through this state at the sight of a single flake. It's snowing here right now in SW VA and my roomie (works at wal mart) says its PACKED. No bread, no eggs and no milk. And we're only supposed to get 2in. This state is stupid


My mom grew up on a farm in Washington State (the part that gets snow in the winter, not the part that only gets rain). I asked her one time what it was about snow that made cows stop producing milk. She looked at me like I was insane.
 
2013-01-25 11:22:46 AM  
meh. people from areas where its snows constantly, hush up. y'all are prepared for it.

/ it's like people along the gulf or southeast coast making fun of northerners for not knowing how to prepare for a hurricane. being aware of the problems and preparing accordingly makes all the difference. i heard all sorts of dumb ideas from friends in new york when sandy was coming. but, i didn't make fun of them, i informed them that they were not aware of all the things that can and will go wrong.
// never been to virginia. is snow common? if so, shame on them for being bad drivers.
 
2013-01-25 11:23:38 AM  

ph0rk: take_flight: As a upstate New Yorker who deals with feet of lake effect snow, these comments have left me giggling uncontrollably. Thank you!

Not that it has happened here yet in this case, but you probably don't have the rapid freeze/thaw cycles we get down here. In addition to bad infrastructure for snow (no plows or salt trucks to speak of, this is changing though) we also have very prevalent ice problems.

FWIW, down here in NC as often as not a snow/ice related accident on the interstate is an SUV with NY or NJ plates, so there.


In those conditions, it's rarely the person who caused the accident who ends up in the accident. I'd wager that in most of those cases the NY/NJ drivers were probably trying to avoid an accident with a local and ended up crashing anyway.
 
2013-01-25 11:25:05 AM  

groppet: Thats always been my theory of the area as well a lot of people from warm climates thinking that their 4WD SUV can go over ice like its normal road cause "Hey I got 4WD!"


This. Your SUV or pickup does NOT enable you to stop or steer better in the snow. Fact is, the heaver mass (and your unfounded confidence = greater speed) is that much more difficult to control and stop that it more than cancels out the benefit from AWD/ABS.

/ grew up in VA, and worked in both NoVA and VA Beach.
// the immigrants on the road story is true too, especially in NoVA but not so much elsewhere in VA
 
2013-01-25 11:26:21 AM  

RoughTrickNamedJim: I have a doctor appointment in Newport News this afternoon. I live in Norfolk and have to go across the HRBT and it is expected to should start snowing right around then. I'm kind of dreading the drive. My snow driving experience is limited to one winter in New York and being from the south, I just tried to avoid driving in the snow if I could. MY car is AWD and has ABS. That helps me grip and stop straight (not shorter) but I'm a bit out of practice. Add in the craptastic driving style of most everyone in the Hampton Roads region and I'm sure it'll turn into a clusterfark shortly.


You realize it doesn't snow in the tunnel, right?

(Yeah, I know, there are still the bridges. Stay safe.)
 
2013-01-25 11:26:36 AM  

ph0rk: take_flight: As a upstate New Yorker who deals with feet of lake effect snow, these comments have left me giggling uncontrollably. Thank you!

Not that it has happened here yet in this case, but you probably don't have the rapid freeze/thaw cycles we get down here. In addition to bad infrastructure for snow (no plows or salt trucks to speak of, this is changing though) we also have very prevalent ice problems.

FWIW, down here in NC as often as not a snow/ice related accident on the interstate is an SUV with NY or NJ plates, so there.


We get tons of ice and snow and our weather can go from 40's to negatives within hours. I live in a rural area, so it doesn't get plowed until maybe 2 in the afternoon...and they would not plow for 1 inch of snow period. I would suspect if you are seeing accidents with NY or NJ plates they are most definitely people from NYC and NJ cities, who...for some reason...all seem to feel that they MUST drive SUV's and pick ups even though they don't get a ton of snow there. Hubby drove to work last week in 8 inches of snow with a layer of freezing slush/ice over it, (because the temp. changed quickly) at 5:30 am when the plows were just starting up in a 4 cylinder Toyota. Trust me...it's not knowing how to drive in the snow. Which actually should be understandable for people in NC...but in northeastern VA?
 
2013-01-25 11:28:41 AM  
LOL...Several counties here in Georgia closed all schools today because there MIGHT be a slight chance of a ten minute ice storm this afternoon, maybe.
 
2013-01-25 11:30:08 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: ph0rk: take_flight: As a upstate New Yorker who deals with feet of lake effect snow, these comments have left me giggling uncontrollably. Thank you!

Not that it has happened here yet in this case, but you probably don't have the rapid freeze/thaw cycles we get down here. In addition to bad infrastructure for snow (no plows or salt trucks to speak of, this is changing though) we also have very prevalent ice problems.

FWIW, down here in NC as often as not a snow/ice related accident on the interstate is an SUV with NY or NJ plates, so there.

In those conditions, it's rarely the person who caused the accident who ends up in the accident. I'd wager that in most of those cases the NY/NJ drivers were probably trying to avoid an accident with a local and ended up crashing anyway.


Frequently it is a lone SUV off the road wrapped around a tree (sometimes with local plates too, of course). Being used to frequently plowed roads and too much trust in 4wd/awd is the problem, also assuming that ice=snow.
 
2013-01-25 11:32:40 AM  

sure haven't: No one anywhere can drive.

I estimate that about 80-85% of the general populace don't drive properly.

The 15% who drive properly will agree instantly.
If you disagree, it means you're part of the 85%. Cause if you knew how to drive you would seriously agree instantly.

The biggest problem is no one pays attention. You'r driving a 3,000lb death machine. Pay attention.

Even if we just STARTED with everyone maintaining speed and using turn signals, the world would be such a better place.

/90 min round-trip commute
//I've had to turn it into a funny game in my head, or else I'd have been driven crazy by now


I agree completely. I pay a lot of attention to how I drive, and how other people drive, mainly because I'd rather they not hit me. I'm not sure if it's because I've gotten more observant as I've gotten older or if the quality of driving in general has gone downhill. But I've noticed a large increase in what I'd call general "sloppiness" in people's driving. Things like not staying in lanes precisely; changing lanes during turns; lack of turn signals; and people just ignoring signage and making "assumptions" like that that 2-way stop is actually a 4-way stop. Maybe this is due to cell phones and texting or something, maybe it's due to total lack of police enforcement of these "minor" rules. But I feel like people just aren't bothering to be good drivers anymore.

Also, drivers suck in different ways depending on the local driving culture. In the SC Lowcountry, they're often just inept and too polite, blocking traffic flow to let someone in, etc. In bigger cities they tend to be more competent about driving in traffic, but more aggressive. Some places red light running is rampant, etc.

Short answer: I agree that at least 85% of drivers suck at driving, but they manage a surprising diversity in how they suck.
 
2013-01-25 11:33:07 AM  

Pocket Ninja: It is true that Virginians can't drive in the snow. But this is primarily due to the fact that most of them are hurrying to the supermarket to stock up on the three-week supply of emergency milk, eggs, and toilet paper that an inch of blizzard might produce in the region. This causes long lines in the stores, which causes traffic jams in the parking lots, and effect that then ripples out to the roads. The only solution would be to create some sort of Federal Emergency Snow Supply Agenecy (FESSA) which could distribute, perhaps via helicopter or drone drop, these critical supplies to families throughout the region without necessitating those families venturing out into the tundra.


"Well, my power might go out, and I might not be able to get out of the house for a few days, so let me buy the most perishable items they sell in the grocery store."

/NoVaer
 
2013-01-25 11:33:46 AM  
You want to see fun, come to So-Cal when it rains!
 
2013-01-25 11:33:52 AM  

swingbozo: Hilly? Virginia? LOL. The east coast hasn't a clue as to what a mountain is let alone a hill. Give me a farking break.


If you want truly amusing snow drivers, try venturing into Tulsa, OK during a light dusting. Abandoned cars all around, and the nearest hill is likely in Texas.

/Maryland driver
//Couldn't drive in snow until the great winter of 1992
///Stopped in my tracks driving south through VA in the Snowpocalypse when it was just starting to flurry (the NOVA traffic had just thinned enough for full speed driving)
 
2013-01-25 11:34:52 AM  

Bermuda59: You want to see fun, come to So-Cal when it rains!


Is the rain that scary?
 
2013-01-25 11:35:16 AM  

reklamfox: Pocket Ninja: It is true that Virginians can't drive in the snow. But this is primarily due to the fact that most of them are hurrying to the supermarket to stock up on the three-week supply of emergency milk, eggs, and toilet paper that an inch of blizzard might produce in the region. This causes long lines in the stores, which causes traffic jams in the parking lots, and effect that then ripples out to the roads. The only solution would be to create some sort of Federal Emergency Snow Supply Agenecy (FESSA) which could distribute, perhaps via helicopter or drone drop, these critical supplies to families throughout the region without necessitating those families venturing out into the tundra.

^^^^ SOOO MUCH THIS ^^^^

As a VA resident I can attest to the unbelievable panic that ripples through this state at the sight of a single flake. It's snowing here right now in SW VA and my roomie (works at wal mart) says its PACKED. No bread, no eggs and no milk. And we're only supposed to get 2in. This state is stupid


YUP.
Everyone here is pooping their diapers over this like it was snowmageddon from 3 xmas back (OMG 6 inches of snow! STOP EVERYTHING!). What PocketNinja said is 100 percent true. They aren't stocking up because because they fear being snowed in. They are stocking up because cities shut down at the sight of more than 5 snowflakes and you might not be able to get food due to that.
People here CANNOT drive rain/snow/sleet/sunshine. It is the reason I refuse to own or ride a motorcycle in VA. Case and point, friend of mine has to have physical therapy because he couldn't walk for 3 months after he was blindsided by some dumb bimbo texting and driving at the same time who swerved into his lane. He swerved to avoid her taking him out and slammed into a tractor trailer because of her.

/CSB?
 
2013-01-25 11:35:34 AM  

pute kisses like a man: meh. people from areas where its snows constantly, hush up. y'all are prepared for it.

/ it's like people along the gulf or southeast coast making fun of northerners for not knowing how to prepare for a hurricane. being aware of the problems and preparing accordingly makes all the difference. i heard all sorts of dumb ideas from friends in new york when sandy was coming. but, i didn't make fun of them, i informed them that they were not aware of all the things that can and will go wrong.
// never been to virginia. is snow common? if so, shame on them for being bad drivers.


Nope, pretty rare. It snows a couple of times per year and like yesterday and today, usually pretty small amounts. That's why the huge snows a few years ago were so crazy. But most drivers are crazy assholes here normally so adding in snow just removes their very small to non-existent margins of error. I don't think these people realize how often they narrowly miss others. Tailgating and cutting people off at high speeds then slamming on the brakes. Guess what? That doesn't work when it's slick.
 
2013-01-25 11:36:24 AM  
Virginians aren't the best drivers, but they're much better than those with Maryland or DC plates. DC drivers dash about with the sort of reckless insanity that's second only to New Yorkers, while Marylanders exhibit the exact combination of maliciousness and stupidity that makes you want to commit violent acts of road rage against all of them.

Disclaimer: That stretch of I-95 mentioned in the article is where I get off to go home. I wasn't out that day; knew better and worked from home.
 
2013-01-25 11:36:56 AM  
Well, I don't think anyone has ever actually said, "Golly, the drivers where I'm from are really smart and courteous."
 
2013-01-25 11:37:43 AM  

RangerTaylor: I gotta say, as much as I complain about MA traffic, we do snow pretty well. I grew up in western NY though, so the "blizzards" we get here in the Massachuviet Union make me chortle in my superiority.


really? i grew up in northern new york and i think the MA snow removal system is a joke. They seem to have outsourced their snow removal to any contractor with a pick up truck and a blade.
 
2013-01-25 11:38:24 AM  
This is like Angelenos in the rain- they cannot drive worth a **** in it and react in the following fashion:

"OMG there's WATER.. falling from the SKY!!!! Must drive 2 MPH in the left lane of the 405!!!!" (and everywhere else....)

The CHP just assumes no one can drive in the snow and requires chains for an inch.

/from Michigan, not afraid to top 40mph in the rain
//roads were rather slick today. Lots of braking for hallucinations.
 
2013-01-25 11:42:42 AM  

groppet: doyner: Pud: I grew up there, PN was spot on. The only thing he missed is the run on beer. If it's going to snow 100 miles away every Virginian is obligated to buy as much beer as they can, whether they drink or not. I think it's a law

In all seriousness, I think that the shiatty driving around here is because of the overwhelming diversity.  People come here from all over the nation (and the world for that matter), bringing their own driving norms to this highly-congested area.  There is no uniformity of habit; making everyone relatively unpredicatable.  There are enough no-snow-climate drivers here to seed gridlock and collisions to ensure that the first flake to fall from the sky will create mayhem amongst the flakes already behind the wheel.

Thats always been my theory of the area as well a lot of people from warm climates thinking that their 4WD SUV can go over ice like its normal road cause "Hey I got 4WD!"

/dreading the storm that is supposed to start at 3pm today.


You mean the one that is going to dump a 1/2 inch? Stupid DC area snow holes
 
2013-01-25 11:43:12 AM  

RoughTrickNamedJim: I have a doctor appointment in Newport News this afternoon. I live in Norfolk and have to go across the HRBT and it is expected to should start snowing right around then. I'm kind of dreading the drive. My snow driving experience is limited to one winter in New York and being from the south, I just tried to avoid driving in the snow if I could. MY car is AWD and has ABS. That helps me grip and stop straight (not shorter) but I'm a bit out of practice. Add in the craptastic driving style of most everyone in the Hampton Roads region and I'm sure it'll turn into a clusterfark shortly.


You know as well as I do that if they're calling for 1-2" here, we'll probably get a dusting to fark-all. Godspeed anyway.
 
2013-01-25 11:45:14 AM  
"We're almost on the freeze line. Up north in the snowbelt, once it snows, it doesn't melt and refreeze. We have things folks driving in the northern climates don't have, like black ice."

*snicker*

You stupid, stupid person.
 
2013-01-25 11:48:08 AM  

tlchwi02: RangerTaylor: I gotta say, as much as I complain about MA traffic, we do snow pretty well. I grew up in western NY though, so the "blizzards" we get here in the Massachuviet Union make me chortle in my superiority.

really? i grew up in northern new york and i think the MA snow removal system is a joke. They seem to have outsourced their snow removal to any contractor with a pick up truck and a blade.


That's what I mean. What they think of as 'big snow' here was what, every week upstate? That being said, it's far better than anywhere else. NY is simply king when it comes to taking care of the roads in the winter.
 
2013-01-25 11:48:28 AM  

2wolves: Virginians also stock up in diapers. Even if they don't have children. Very odd.


Well, we get snowed in and have nothing but bread, eggs, and milk. So after we've eaten French toast for days, we exhaust our supply of toilet paper and need the diapers.
 
2013-01-25 11:49:34 AM  

sure haven't: No one anywhere can drive.

I estimate that about 80-85% of the general populace don't drive properly.

The 15% who drive properly will agree instantly.
If you disagree, it means you're part of the 85%. Cause if you knew how to drive you would seriously agree instantly.

The biggest problem is no one pays attention. You'r driving a 3,000lb death machine. Pay attention.

Even if we just STARTED with everyone maintaining speed and using turn signals, the world would be such a better place.

/90 min round-trip commute
//I've had to turn it into a funny game in my head, or else I'd have been driven crazy by now


Thissity This.
 
2013-01-25 11:50:33 AM  

swingbozo: Hilly? Virginia? LOL. The east coast hasn't a clue as to what a mountain is let alone a hill. Give me a farking break.


You've obviously never driven around Virginia then.
 
2013-01-25 11:51:50 AM  
I was just whipping shaities with the work van.  Good times.
 
2013-01-25 11:52:03 AM  

RangerTaylor: I gotta say, as much as I complain about MA traffic, we do snow pretty well. I grew up in western NY though, so the "blizzards" we get here in the Massachuviet Union make me chortle in my superiority.


I got my first real experience driving in snow in MA/NH (I'm a lousy Virginian, and can be in NC in 25 minutes). It was only for a week on business trip, but I have to say the major roads in most towns (even "smaller" towns) stayed in pretty good shape. Also, I drove from Acton to Logan airport in the morning rush, and I thought MA traffic was civil if not the speediest. Maybe it was a particularly good day?

/Massholes undetected
 
2013-01-25 11:54:25 AM  
Hey Virgina you can't drive! You can't even reach the pedals!
 
2013-01-25 11:56:46 AM  
A FARK story, that links a story, that references a FARK article...Its like an Ouroboros of not news.
 
2013-01-25 12:00:22 PM  

Pocket Ninja: It is true that Virginians can't drive in the snow. But this is primarily due to the fact that most of them are hurrying to the supermarket to stock up on the three-week supply of emergency milk, eggs, and toilet paper that an inch of blizzard might produce in the region. This causes long lines in the stores, which causes traffic jams in the parking lots, and effect that then ripples out to the roads. The only solution would be to create some sort of Federal Emergency Snow Supply Agenecy (FESSA) which could distribute, perhaps via helicopter or drone drop, these critical supplies to families throughout the region without necessitating those families venturing out into the tundra.


PN, you can't forget to include that NOVA is a bedroom community of a melting pot of humanity. Adding this to the mix, it's easy to extrapolate that anyone not living in the snow belt lacks proper Winter driving skills. To drive in a NOVA snowstorm you have to be insane, intoxicated or a taxi driver.

That said, you're dead on regarding the frenzy. As for me, my truck is loaded and I'm heading to my hunting camp to catch the last day of duck season and spend a weekend far far away from the imminent Richmond hysteria.
 
2013-01-25 12:00:40 PM  
Chicago cannot point and laugh this morning. We get some snow every frigging year, and it's like the entire city becomes amnesiacs between each snowfall.

Yeargh, that commute today....
 
2013-01-25 12:03:02 PM  
Cincinnati. MLK day, 2013. 1/4inch of snow. 1 dead, 27 injured. 96 cars wrecked.

Link

cmsimg.cincinnati.com
 
2013-01-25 12:07:47 PM  
sure haven't:
The biggest problem is no one pays attention. You'r driving a 3,000lb death machine. Pay attention.

Even if we just STARTED with everyone maintaining speed and using turn signals, the world would be such a better place.

/90 min round-trip commute
//I've had to turn it into a funny game in my head, or else I'd have been driven crazy by now


Add to your list the following:
Slower traffic goes in the RIGHT-HAND lane.  If you have people passing you on the right then you need to move over.
 
2013-01-25 12:07:53 PM  
I don't have a terribly long commute, and i think i have slight road rage issues, but other than that, I think i am a great driver. So here's the deal, i'm observant. i know what is going on in front and behind me. I pay attention to cars pulling up to intersections just to keep an eye in case they pull out. I use my signal, and i don't hover in the left lane.
My commute is down a 17 mile stretch of 2 lane road (route 218 in stafford/KG). It's fairly windy, but people commute down it every day, so you would think that they are used to the road. This sadly is not the case. This road was once 55, but has since been lowered to 45, and yet, some people still think that is too fast. So what happens is that you get some car leading the charge going about 40. You will have 10-12 cars piled up behind them and the lead car is either oblivious or an idiot. If they see people behind them who clearly want to go faster, pull over and let us pass. We're happy, and you're happy. I don't see why this is such a hard concept, yet it happens day in day out.

wow, that was a bunch of incoherent statements. I apologize.

//VA resident

[everyoneisnowdumber.jpg]
 
2013-01-25 12:09:29 PM  

Carn: CSB time

So I worked from home yesterday because snow + crazy inept drivers = problems, but I did have to venture out for lunch. I was just starting down the very large steep hill on the back side of my neighborhood and it was pretty slick with the packed down snow and this lady walks into the street about 30 feet in front of me and holds out her hand to stop me. I had to quickly tap the breaks and try to stop before hitting her and I managed not to run her over and just missed a van parked on the side of the road. Her husband had gotten them stuck because their rear wheel drive Lexus couldn't get up the same hill. After berating the lady and letting her know that you can't make a quick stop on an incline when the roads are like this, I tried to explain to them that if they backed all the way down the hill, they might be able to get enough momentum going to get the car back up. He didn't understand and backed his car into parking position on the other side of the street. I left. They're probably still there. They were Asian and obviously foreign so I felt pretty bad for them. Poor lady was distraught. And that's why I don't like to drive when there's snow and/or ice around here.

/CSB
//Midwest kid with a winter birthday. I was doing donuts on the snow in a parking lot with dad before I ever got my license.


Saw an Asian lady pull that same stunt in front of a tour bus so she could take a photo from the middle of the road. "'scuse prease"

Freezing rain yesterday caused hundreds of accidents here in northern Utah.
UT drivers are much like the folks in MA - bad weather? Speed up!
 
2013-01-25 12:11:21 PM  
Pet peeves:

4WD morons. Yes it helps with traction from an acceleration perspective but when it comes to braking all vehicles are created equally. 4WD WILL NOT HELP YOU STOP FASTER YOU DOLT!! It will also not help to overcome the physics behind centrifugal force. Although it is quite satisfying to drive past the 4WD moron in the ditch that passed you a mile back like a bat out of hell.

First snowfalls. This snow has all the properties and characteristics of the snow that fell in the region last year. They did not improve it and add to it magical traction capabilities. Slow the heck down. Why is it that people can remember inane items like the anniversary of the first time they met but they can't seem to recall things like snow is slippery? In other news, fire is hot.

Clean your damn windows. That 6" diameter circle you cleared off directly in front of the drivers seat is not sufficient for you to safely take a 2 ton machine out on the roads. If you want to die, fine, but leave the rest of us be.
 
2013-01-25 12:13:24 PM  
Man, why does an awesome city like D.C. have to be in such a dysfunctional part of America?
 
2013-01-25 12:15:01 PM  

farm machine: Pet peeves:

4WD morons. Yes it helps with traction from an acceleration perspective but when it comes to braking all vehicles are created equally. 4WD WILL NOT HELP YOU STOP FASTER YOU DOLT!! It will also not help to overcome the physics behind centrifugal force. Although it is quite satisfying to drive past the 4WD moron in the ditch that passed you a mile back like a bat out of hell.

First snowfalls. This snow has all the properties and characteristics of the snow that fell in the region last year. They did not improve it and add to it magical traction capabilities. Slow the heck down. Why is it that people can remember inane items like the anniversary of the first time they met but they can't seem to recall things like snow is slippery? In other news, fire is hot.

Clean your damn windows. That 6" diameter circle you cleared off directly in front of the drivers seat is not sufficient for you to safely take a 2 ton machine out on the roads. If you want to die, fine, but leave the rest of us be.


My favorite is they clear off the windows but don't brush it off the top of the car or back so as soon as they hit the road, whoever is driving behind them is blinded. Thanks a lot, asshole! Saw this a lot on my way back from IN to VA after the holidays on I70. Everybody had snow except VA but the roads were all fine.
 
2013-01-25 12:15:27 PM  

doyner: Pud: I grew up there, PN was spot on. The only thing he missed is the run on beer. If it's going to snow 100 miles away every Virginian is obligated to buy as much beer as they can, whether they drink or not. I think it's a law

In all seriousness, I think that the shiatty driving around here is because of the overwhelming diversity.  People come here from all over the nation (and the world for that matter), bringing their own driving norms to this highly-congested area.  There is no uniformity of habit; making everyone relatively unpredicatable.  There are enough no-snow-climate drivers here to seed gridlock and collisions to ensure that the first flake to fall from the sky will create mayhem amongst the flakes already behind the wheel.


I've noticed that people around here drive under the limit as though they have an outstanding warrant.
 
2013-01-25 12:20:57 PM  
you have pee hands
2013-01-25 11:00:12 AM
I once drove from the West Virginia border to the junction with I-70 on I-81, about 300 miles, without going over 62 mph once because Virginians drive at 62 mph in both lanes at all times.


The problem is that in this fantastic Commonwealth, misdemeanor "reckless driving" is: (a) anything over 80 mph; or (b) 20 mph over the speed limit. So, if the speed limit is 70 (as it is on some stretches of 81) or 75, you have no leeway at which to execute a pass quickly without instantaneous misdemeanor reckless driving. And yes, Virginia State police are ruthless and everywhere, especially on the interstates - it's often just not worth it. But the worst is when you have two trucks on the two lanes of I-81, one trying to pass the other, where the speed limit is 70 - so one is going 70 and one 72, and this continues for mile after mile after mile with all the rolling hills as they jockey for position. They love them some "rolling roadblocks" in VA.

What's especially annoying as fark is when you get the VA driver OUT of VA, and you're on the NJ Tpke, and they won't go over 74 for fear of "reckless driving" - it's an ingrained thing because of the reckless driving statute. And they sit in the left lane going 74 with miles of cars behind them, and think that the flashing of high beams is some sort of capital offense...

It also didn't help that a few years ago one of the members of the General Assembly (who happens to be a partner in a traffic-defense law firm) at one point mandated speeding tickets ONLY for in-state VA drivers that were thousands of dollars. Not that we'd let something like a blatant conflict of interest get in our way here in the South, of course... it's all about "safety." It eventually got struck down as unconstitutional since it only applied to instate drivers. BRILLIANT.

/CSB
//Hates driving in VA with the burning fury of a thousand angry suns.
 
2013-01-25 12:22:21 PM  

RoughTrickNamedJim: I have a doctor appointment in Newport News this afternoon. I live in Norfolk and have to go across the HRBT and it is expected to should start snowing right around then. I'm kind of dreading the drive. My snow driving experience is limited to one winter in New York and being from the south, I just tried to avoid driving in the snow if I could. MY car is AWD and has ABS. That helps me grip and stop straight (not shorter) but I'm a bit out of practice. Add in the craptastic driving style of most everyone in the Hampton Roads region and I'm sure it'll turn into a clusterfark shortly.


The HRBT is always a clusterfark. Even on a bright and sunny day. It's not unusual for there to be a bumper to bumper backup 3+ miles from the tunnel in both directions. Be careful and keep your distance still.
 
2013-01-25 12:23:05 PM  

LazerFish: I live close to a ski resort in WV, we get a lot of tourists from all over the country. You constantly see these expensive looking out of state SUVs stuck in a ditch and a rusty old wv pickup pulling them out. VA drivers are bad, but not compared to those folks who come from those flat states with nothing but straight roads.


Pocahontas Co. person, are ye?

Western Kanawha Co., myself. Wish I lived in the mountains.
 
2013-01-25 12:23:12 PM  
I'll give them this much: driving on snow is one thing, but driving on ice - just throw out the rulebook.
 
2013-01-25 12:23:20 PM  
Northern Virginia? Try southwestern Virginia too.

"All of these." Even PN's post, apparently.

Luckily, Roanokers are pussies when it comes to snow, so after they grab the winter French toast supplies, they hunker down and leave the roads pretty empty. Which is fine by me.
 
2013-01-25 12:24:39 PM  
FTFA "We're almost on the freeze line. Up north in the snowbelt, once it snows, it doesn't melt and refreeze. We have things folks driving in the northern climates don't have, like black ice."

Okay, not only are you a lousy driver, you have no clue about the world around you.

But seriously, you should all recognize that tires make a HUGE difference in the ability to manage weather conditions. When you put a good all season on your vehicle you will be amazed at the difference. The downside is, everyone else is too damn slow and need to get our of your way.
 
2013-01-25 12:26:06 PM  
I've seen enough threads on the internet about Va. police and traffic fines to know that it's probably a product of people afraid of losing their home for doing +2 over the limit. Everyone's driving around like it's a game of russian roulette.
 
2013-01-25 12:26:42 PM  

tricycleracer: Man, why does an awesome city like D.C. have to be in such a dysfunctional part of America?


When it was built, the region wasn't so dysfunctional at all. That came later,
 
2013-01-25 12:27:31 PM  

BadEvilYoda: you have pee hands
2013-01-25 11:00:12 AM
I once drove from the West Virginia border to the junction with I-70 on I-81, about 300 miles, without going over 62 mph once because Virginians drive at 62 mph in both lanes at all times.

The problem is that in this fantastic Commonwealth, misdemeanor "reckless driving" is: (a) anything over 80 mph; or (b) 20 mph over the speed limit. So, if the speed limit is 70 (as it is on some stretches of 81) or 75, you have no leeway at which to execute a pass quickly without instantaneous misdemeanor reckless driving. And yes, Virginia State police are ruthless and everywhere, especially on the interstates - it's often just not worth it. But the worst is when you have two trucks on the two lanes of I-81, one trying to pass the other, where the speed limit is 70 - so one is going 70 and one 72, and this continues for mile after mile after mile with all the rolling hills as they jockey for position. They love them some "rolling roadblocks" in VA.

What's especially annoying as fark is when you get the VA driver OUT of VA, and you're on the NJ Tpke, and they won't go over 74 for fear of "reckless driving" - it's an ingrained thing because of the reckless driving statute. And they sit in the left lane going 74 with miles of cars behind them, and think that the flashing of high beams is some sort of capital offense...

It also didn't help that a few years ago one of the members of the General Assembly (who happens to be a partner in a traffic-defense law firm) at one point mandated speeding tickets ONLY for in-state VA drivers that were thousands of dollars. Not that we'd let something like a blatant conflict of interest get in our way here in the South, of course... it's all about "safety." It eventually got struck down as unconstitutional since it only applied to instate drivers. BRILLIANT.

/CSB
//Hates driving in VA with the burning fury of a thousand angry suns.


Maryland is worse and i will say that until the day that i die.

74 is not ingrained in my brain. I go 74 or higher. I typically go with the flow of traffic. If it is moving too fast for me, then i get over to another lane. The last thing i want to see is a buildup of cars behind me b/c that indicates i am not going fast enough for that lane on that road. Maybe i'm one of the exceptions for va drivers?
 
2013-01-25 12:32:02 PM  
Fano:

I've noticed that people around here drive under the limit as though they have an outstanding warrant.

There are many immigrants here, and many of those are illegal. I see old Tercels and Mazda 606s packed like clown cars going 2-5 under every single day. I'm often stuck behind a herd of them.  Contrast that with the Mercedes/BMW/Lexus driver swooping around at 115 and its no surprise the roadways are always a poorly timed tap on the brakes away from an epic disaster.
 
2013-01-25 12:34:22 PM  
I used to live in VA for a long time (I now live in PA) but I had a theory about the Norfolk/VA Beach driving situation. Where ever you go in the country there is a driving style. People might drive fast, they might drive cautiously, etc, etc. Well the Hampton Roads area is very transient and have people from all over the country living there because of the military and therefore you have driving styles from all over the country all forced into one area that has way too many people for its road system and is separated by four tunnels so you have what is called a "traffic nightmare".

Also: OMG SNOW!!!!!!
 
2013-01-25 12:37:34 PM  

Fano: I've noticed that people around here drive under the limit as though they have an outstanding warrant.


That's because they do.
 
2013-01-25 12:38:17 PM  
It's true though. They can't drive worth shiat.

/Grew up in Yorktown.
//The rare snowfall of 6 inches would usually get us out of school for about a week.
 
2013-01-25 12:41:20 PM  
I think people are stupider/more distracted, cars are a little better, and tires are fantastically better for their designed conditions. If any of those are too out of whack, likelihood for bad things increases a lot. It seems few take driving seriously anymore.
 
2013-01-25 12:42:14 PM  
Traffic in the DC metro area is bad enough even on a good day. Too much sprawl, two states and the district ever bickering over funding, NIMBYs with far too much money stopping projects...

Then add in a CONSTANTLY changing population, people coming and going every few years. From all over the country... nay, all over the world.

Then put the area right on the line between 'stereotypical snowy white winter' and 'dreary rainy winter' when even an inch of snow is uncommon.

A right fark up every damned tmie.
 
2013-01-25 12:43:31 PM  
Don't feel bad....most people in Toronto can't drive in the snow either.
 
2013-01-25 12:47:23 PM  
About fifteen years ago, I was working in Northern Virginia, just across from DC. I remember laughing out loud when the powers that be began cancelling school for the next day based on a forcast for snow. Turns out actually, it was probably for the best.

If drivers everywhere would simply recognize the rules of the road instead of trying to shave off time from wherever it is they were going, we'd all arrive on time and in one piece.
 
2013-01-25 12:47:32 PM  

greenboy: groppet: doyner: Pud: I grew up there, PN was spot on. The only thing he missed is the run on beer. If it's going to snow 100 miles away every Virginian is obligated to buy as much beer as they can, whether they drink or not. I think it's a law

In all seriousness, I think that the shiatty driving around here is because of the overwhelming diversity.  People come here from all over the nation (and the world for that matter), bringing their own driving norms to this highly-congested area.  There is no uniformity of habit; making everyone relatively unpredicatable.  There are enough no-snow-climate drivers here to seed gridlock and collisions to ensure that the first flake to fall from the sky will create mayhem amongst the flakes already behind the wheel.

Thats always been my theory of the area as well a lot of people from warm climates thinking that their 4WD SUV can go over ice like its normal road cause "Hey I got 4WD!"

/dreading the storm that is supposed to start at 3pm today.

You mean the one that is going to dump a 1/2 inch? Stupid DC area snow holes


Yeah. It's not so much the snow Im afraid of it's the idiots on the road. They have already started to cancel schools. People are leaving work to go pick up their kids. Damn I need to have a kid so I can get outta work more often.
 
2013-01-25 12:47:45 PM  

doyner: Pud: I grew up there, PN was spot on. The only thing he missed is the run on beer. If it's going to snow 100 miles away every Virginian is obligated to buy as much beer as they can, whether they drink or not. I think it's a law

In all seriousness, I think that the shiatty driving around here is because of the overwhelming diversity.  People come here from all over the nation (and the world for that matter), bringing their own driving norms to this highly-congested area.  There is no uniformity of habit; making everyone relatively unpredicatable.  There are enough no-snow-climate drivers here to seed gridlock and collisions to ensure that the first flake to fall from the sky will create mayhem amongst the flakes already behind the wheel.


This is so true! The first mention of snow, and I'm talking about "We might get some flurries!" and people lose their shiat!

Also, it seems like if snow is forecasted, all the farking morons who are the worst drivers on the planet feel the need to go out and drive around.

BunkoSquad: I've been sitting here stuck in traffic on I-95 between DC and Fredericksburg since May 17, 2010, so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies.


This made me LOL! There almost always seems to be some sort of bottlenecking of traffic through that area...especially where the HOV lanes end toward Quantico...and with all this stupid construction, they are farking it up worse.


But seriously, as much as people say that the NoVA/DC drivers can't be any worse than any other major city, I've got news for you...they ARE! I'd tell you to come see for yourself, but that'd just create more people on the roads here who don't know what they are doing :-p
 
2013-01-25 12:50:30 PM  

Minerva8918: doyner: Pud: I grew up there, PN was spot on. The only thing he missed is the run on beer. If it's going to snow 100 miles away every Virginian is obligated to buy as much beer as they can, whether they drink or not. I think it's a law

In all seriousness, I think that the shiatty driving around here is because of the overwhelming diversity.  People come here from all over the nation (and the world for that matter), bringing their own driving norms to this highly-congested area.  There is no uniformity of habit; making everyone relatively unpredicatable.  There are enough no-snow-climate drivers here to seed gridlock and collisions to ensure that the first flake to fall from the sky will create mayhem amongst the flakes already behind the wheel.

This is so true! The first mention of snow, and I'm talking about "We might get some flurries!" and people lose their shiat!

Also, it seems like if snow is forecasted, all the farking morons who are the worst drivers on the planet feel the need to go out and drive around.

BunkoSquad: I've been sitting here stuck in traffic on I-95 between DC and Fredericksburg since May 17, 2010, so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies.

This made me LOL! There almost always seems to be some sort of bottlenecking of traffic through that area...especially where the HOV lanes end toward Quantico...and with all this stupid construction, they are farking it up worse.


But seriously, as much as people say that the NoVA/DC drivers can't be any worse than any other major city, I've got news for you...they ARE! I'd tell you to come see for yourself, but that'd just create more people on the roads here who don't know what they are doing :-p


Memphis drivers are worse, nothing like training yourself to wait 3 seconds before begining through a green light because people accelerate on a yellow 500 yards back.
 
2013-01-25 12:53:42 PM  

groppet: greenboy: groppet: doyner: Pud: I grew up there, PN was spot on. The only thing he missed is the run on beer. If it's going to snow 100 miles away every Virginian is obligated to buy as much beer as they can, whether they drink or not. I think it's a law

In all seriousness, I think that the shiatty driving around here is because of the overwhelming diversity.  People come here from all over the nation (and the world for that matter), bringing their own driving norms to this highly-congested area.  There is no uniformity of habit; making everyone relatively unpredicatable.  There are enough no-snow-climate drivers here to seed gridlock and collisions to ensure that the first flake to fall from the sky will create mayhem amongst the flakes already behind the wheel.

Thats always been my theory of the area as well a lot of people from warm climates thinking that their 4WD SUV can go over ice like its normal road cause "Hey I got 4WD!"

/dreading the storm that is supposed to start at 3pm today.

You mean the one that is going to dump a 1/2 inch? Stupid DC area snow holes

Yeah. It's not so much the snow Im afraid of it's the idiots on the road. They have already started to cancel schools. People are leaving work to go pick up their kids. Damn I need to have a kid so I can get outta work more often.


My wife is a teacher so she got the day off. Unfortunately one kid is sick so she couldn't have a free day alone (kids go to daycare, which is definitely still open).
 
2013-01-25 12:53:53 PM  

ph0rk: take_flight: As a upstate New Yorker who deals with feet of lake effect snow, these comments have left me giggling uncontrollably. Thank you!

Not that it has happened here yet in this case, but you probably don't have the rapid freeze/thaw cycles we get down here. In addition to bad infrastructure for snow (no plows or salt trucks to speak of, this is changing though) we also have very prevalent ice problems.

FWIW, down here in NC as often as not a snow/ice related accident on the interstate is an SUV with NY or NJ plates, so there.


It's usually because some hayseed cuts us off without using a god damn turn signal.


/Hicks, the blinkers are there for a reason
 
2013-01-25 12:56:37 PM  

Fano: Memphis drivers are worse, nothing like training yourself to wait 3 seconds before begining through a green light because people accelerate on a yellow 500 yards back.


Now imagine living in the DC area married to a woman from northern Mississippi who drives like she's back in Memphis.

I'm too old for this shiat.
 
2013-01-25 01:00:14 PM  
Fano: Memphis drivers are worse, nothing like training yourself to wait 3 seconds before begining through a green light because people accelerate on a yellow 500 yards back.

Yellow lights here are challenged frequently accepted. Same with red lights, unfortunately...
 
2013-01-25 01:01:02 PM  
Paraphrased from TFA :you people in the north don't get it, we have black ice! BLACK ICE!

Stupid people. Black ice can happen anywhere you get snow or sleet
 
2013-01-25 01:01:22 PM  

Minerva8918: Fano: Memphis drivers are worse, nothing like training yourself to wait 3 seconds before begining through a green light because people accelerate on a yellow 500 yards back.

Yellow lights here are challenged frequently accepted. Same with red lights, unfortunately...


Well also, it's more like a yellow light means 4 cars can go through, and a red like means 2.
 
2013-01-25 01:02:25 PM  

Mnemia: I agree that at least 85% of drivers suck at driving, but they manage a surprising diversity in how they suck.


Good drivers are all alike; bad drivers all suck in their own unique way.

/with apologies to Leo Tolstoy
 
2013-01-25 01:02:48 PM  
red LIGHT*

I can't seem to put all my thoughts into one post before hitting submit, nor check my spelling. Derp. Sorry.
 
2013-01-25 01:04:07 PM  
I grew up in NJ and now live in NOVA.  The panic here over snow is absurd.

That said, it snowed like two inches early yesterday morning, and by this morning it had melted and refrozen.  Our parking lot was a sheet of ice.  I don't drive, but I nearly wiped out more than once on my walk to the Metro.  They do a TERRIBLE job of dealing with the ice.  I have slipped and fallen more than a dozen times in my 8 years here.
 
2013-01-25 01:04:59 PM  

dopekitty74: Paraphrased from TFA :you people in the north don't get it, we have black ice! BLACK ICE!

Stupid people. Black ice can happen anywhere you get snow or sleet


It's not that - it's that they don't deal with it.  They don't clean the streets well.  Couple that with the overall derpy panic and it's a recipe for disaster.  I wish the motherf*ckers would just invest in some salt, jeez.
 
2013-01-25 01:07:59 PM  

Pocket Ninja: It is true that Virginians can't drive in the snow. But this is primarily due to the fact that most of them are hurrying to the supermarket to stock up on the three-week supply of emergency milk, eggs, and toilet paper that an inch of blizzard might produce in the region. This causes long lines in the stores, which causes traffic jams in the parking lots, and effect that then ripples out to the roads. The only solution would be to create some sort of Federal Emergency Snow Supply Agenecy (FESSA) which could distribute, perhaps via helicopter or drone drop, these critical supplies to families throughout the region without necessitating those families venturing out into the tundra.


Someday, future archaelogists are going to marvel at the annual french toast rings in the garbage dumps unearthed in the DC area.

\what else can you make from eggs, bread, and milk?
 
2013-01-25 01:10:56 PM  
They salt the roads, but they don't bother to spread the salt or distribute it evenly.  You end up driving over small hills of salt on the road that resemble snow drifts where the trucks just dump out all their salt, then a tenth of a mile later you drive over patches of snow and ice.

The other problem is the snow removal budgets often run out during the first snow of the year. The contractors driving the snow plows want their money, so you'll often see a plow patrolling around a day or two  beforea storm, thus getting paid for their time without actually moving any snow.  Sometimes they drizzle lines of salt on the road before the storm, most of the time they just drive around all day and then disappear when the snow starts falling.
 
2013-01-25 01:11:16 PM  

PrivateCaboose: dopekitty74: Paraphrased from TFA :you people in the north don't get it, we have black ice! BLACK ICE!

Stupid people. Black ice can happen anywhere you get snow or sleet

It's not that - it's that they don't deal with it.  They don't clean the streets well.  Couple that with the overall derpy panic and it's a recipe for disaster.  I wish the motherf*ckers would just invest in some salt, jeez.


Can I use "Derpy Panic" as a band name? That's fantastic.

And I agree - VDOT doesn't do much of anything well, but they're especially bad at snow/ice removal, especially on secondary roads.
 
2013-01-25 01:19:04 PM  
Only place I've been where people *could* drive in the snow?

Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Michigan's UP.

And they invariably drove beater 2wd sedans, like a Cutlass Sierra. Or logging trucks. But nothing in between.
 
2013-01-25 01:19:18 PM  

Colin O'Scopy: Dear Virginians:

Pussies.

Signed,
Canada


Dear Canada,

40C is a mild late spring/early summer day.

Signed,
The South

take_flight: As a upstate New Yorker who deals with feet of lake effect snow, these comments have left me giggling uncontrollably. Thank you!


Preach!

/3 years in Utica and Watertown
//no 4WD, quite a bit in a 2WD pickup
///only got stuck once, in an unplowed parking lot.
 
2013-01-25 01:29:12 PM  

a_room_with_a_moose: LazerFish: I live close to a ski resort in WV, we get a lot of tourists from all over the country. You constantly see these expensive looking out of state SUVs stuck in a ditch and a rusty old wv pickup pulling them out. VA drivers are bad, but not compared to those folks who come from those flat states with nothing but straight roads.

Pocahontas Co. person, are ye?

Western Kanawha Co., myself. Wish I lived in the mountains.


born and raised, it's calling for a foot of snow tonight at Snowshoe (ski resort), and everyone around here is elated about it. Snow = $ (I just wish I could enjoy it, instead of working there)
 
2013-01-25 01:32:21 PM  

PrivateCaboose: dopekitty74: Paraphrased from TFA :you people in the north don't get it, we have black ice! BLACK ICE!

Stupid people. Black ice can happen anywhere you get snow or sleet

It's not that - it's that they don't deal with it.  They don't clean the streets well.  Couple that with the overall derpy panic and it's a recipe for disaster.  I wish the motherf*ckers would just invest in some salt, jeez.


My hubby is from england. They have similarly craptacular snow/ice removal infrastructure. I just don't understand why. England has always gotten snow in the winter hasn't it?
 
2013-01-25 01:33:39 PM  

This text is now purple: Pocket Ninja: It is true that Virginians can't drive in the snow. But this is primarily due to the fact that most of them are hurrying to the supermarket to stock up on the three-week supply of emergency milk, eggs, and toilet paper that an inch of blizzard might produce in the region. This causes long lines in the stores, which causes traffic jams in the parking lots, and effect that then ripples out to the roads. The only solution would be to create some sort of Federal Emergency Snow Supply Agenecy (FESSA) which could distribute, perhaps via helicopter or drone drop, these critical supplies to families throughout the region without necessitating those families venturing out into the tundra.

Someday, future archaelogists are going to marvel at the annual french toast rings in the garbage dumps unearthed in the DC area.

\what else can you make from eggs, bread, and milk?


If you have raisins, bread pudding. Yum!
 
2013-01-25 01:34:34 PM  

2wolves: Virginians also stock up in diapers. Even if they don't have children. Very odd.


Diapers are a non-perishable barter commodity. If the supermarkets remain cut off from their supply lines, you can barter diapers for dwindling quantities of fresh fruit and meat.
 
2013-01-25 01:38:29 PM  
Northern Virginia is "Virginia" the same way New York city is "New York".

It's not.
 
2013-01-25 01:38:29 PM  

take_flight: As a upstate New Yorker who deals with feet of lake effect snow, these comments have left me giggling uncontrollably. Thank you!


As a NoVA resident who went to school in upstate New York, thanks to your fine state for teaching me how to handle a vehicle in real snow. I'm not sure how I'd have gotten home during Snowpocalypse without it.

/still took eight hours
 
2013-01-25 01:41:16 PM  

ph0rk: take_flight: As a upstate New Yorker who deals with feet of lake effect snow, these comments have left me giggling uncontrollably. Thank you!

Not that it has happened here yet in this case, but you probably don't have the rapid freeze/thaw cycles we get down here. In addition to bad infrastructure for snow (no plows or salt trucks to speak of, this is changing though) we also have very prevalent ice problems.

FWIW, down here in NC as often as not a snow/ice related accident on the interstate is an SUV with NY or NJ plates, so there.


Yup, driven in multiple inches of snow up north, and it's muuuuch easier than 1 inch of snow over 1/4 inch of ice.

It's been cold as hell and dry all week here (VA), so there should be no excuse for this one
 
2013-01-25 01:41:33 PM  

Colin O'Scopy: Dear Virginians:

Pussies.

Signed,
Canada


Yeah - all those mountains and hills you guys have in Eastern CA must be really tough to drive on eh? Now if you're from BC or out west I'd agree but Ontario has no reason to talk. You have plow trucks and salt in abundance which is something the mid-Atlantic states don't have.
 
2013-01-25 01:46:58 PM  

Mnemia: Also, drivers suck in different ways depending on the local driving culture


Oh MAN yes, yes 100%. I just noticed this too a couple years ago when we moved to the city we're in now. Each city sorta has their own way of driving badly.

I also find it humourous that I'd say... more or less 15% of the posters in this thread have agreed with me?
 
2013-01-25 01:51:07 PM  
I lived up in Herndon a few years back, and my sister in law came up and stayed with us awhile to see if she would like the area. One day we all went to the Fair Oaks mall and she kept saying "watch out for that car, it's got one of those bad driving stickers on it". We asked her what that was all about and she "there's one, right there--it says UVA on it, that means they can't drive worth a sh*t".
No sooner had she finished saying this when the ding-dong in the mini-van with the UVA sticker on it cuts someone off, nearly causing a wreck. "See, I told you so. Everyone with one of those UVA stickers is a g__ d___ menace." We had a hard time convincing her that UVA meant they went to the University of Virginia and that it wasn't something the state made bad drivers put on their car to warn everyone that they were idiots.
 
2013-01-25 01:56:22 PM  

doyner: Pud: I grew up there, PN was spot on. The only thing he missed is the run on beer. If it's going to snow 100 miles away every Virginian is obligated to buy as much beer as they can, whether they drink or not. I think it's a law

In all seriousness, I think that the shiatty driving around here is because of the overwhelming diversity.  People come here from all over the nation (and the world for that matter), bringing their own driving norms to this highly-congested area.  There is no uniformity of habit; making everyone relatively unpredicatable.  There are enough no-snow-climate drivers here to seed gridlock and collisions to ensure that the first flake to fall from the sky will create mayhem amongst the flakes already behind the wheel.


The only thing that has helped me cope with the hive-stupidity that is DC Metro traffic is the assumption
that the person I am following on the road had no idea where they are going.  That has allowed me to
take the idiot yakking on their cellphone at 25MPH in the fast lane on the beltway, or the moron trying to
make a left-hand turn off K Street down a clearly marked "DO NOT TURN LEFT" street at 4:14pm with
a lot more equanimity.

/NJ born and bred.
//Would rather drive in MANHATTAN at rush hour than on the Beltway at midnight.
 
2013-01-25 02:01:50 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: ph0rk: AdmirableSnackbar: I don't know about that. There doesn't seem to be any diversity to VA drivers that I see on the highways. Almost every time I see a car with a VA license plate on I-95, it's in the left lane traveling within 5 mph of the speed limit and clogging up traffic behind them. And they only move over a lane when people start to try passing them on the right. It's like they need to get in the way as much as possible no matter what they're doing. I thought I'd be done seeing that happen when I moved to Boston from the MD/DE area, but every so often I still see VA plates up here doing the same thing.

More states need stricter "slower traffic keep right" laws.

NJ used to do it right (not sure if they still do). A buddy of mine - with NJ plates - got pulled over for traveling too long in the left lane with nobody in the right lane to pass. They're really strict about left lane travel, which is great, but it also seems to cause NJ drivers to abuse the left lane when they're not in the dirty jerz.


NJ will still ticket you for not keeping right, though that's more likely to happen on secondary roads like
Route 130 or Route 1 rather than on the Turnpike or Parkway.
 
2013-01-25 02:13:58 PM  

sure haven't: Mnemia: Also, drivers suck in different ways depending on the local driving culture

Oh MAN yes, yes 100%. I just noticed this too a couple years ago when we moved to the city we're in now. Each city sorta has their own way of driving badly.

I also find it humourous that I'd say... more or less 15% of the posters in this thread have agreed with me?


It's true - lived in Denver and that place was scary. A red light means "only 5 or 6 more cars". Would no-shiat get angry honks from behind if I stopped for a red light.

The only "universally bad" (instead of "mostly bad") drivers I've seen are from MD.

So, yeah, most drivers in any given area suck. If you don't think your area sucks, then you suck - you just suck in the same way your homies do so you don't notice it.
 
2013-01-25 02:18:47 PM  
Made it back no problem. I only encountered light flurries. Now, I'm at home enjoying some Chinese takeout and watching Netflix.
 
2013-01-25 02:21:33 PM  

varmitydog: I lived up in Herndon a few years back, and my sister in law came up and stayed with us awhile to see if she would like the area. One day we all went to the Fair Oaks mall and she kept saying "watch out for that car, it's got one of those bad driving stickers on it". We asked her what that was all about and she "there's one, right there--it says UVA on it, that means they can't drive worth a sh*t".
No sooner had she finished saying this when the ding-dong in the mini-van with the UVA sticker on it cuts someone off, nearly causing a wreck. "See, I told you so. Everyone with one of those UVA stickers is a g__ d___ menace." We had a hard time convincing her that UVA meant they went to the University of Virginia and that it wasn't something the state made bad drivers put on their car to warn everyone that they were idiots.


at UVA, from herndon. have a sticker

*clicks like
 
2013-01-25 02:25:33 PM  
75 & sunny here in Miami

/biatches
 
2013-01-25 02:36:27 PM  
because I grew up in Virignia....I live in California
couldn't get furthur away & still be in the lower 48
Yes, it is an improvement
 
2013-01-25 02:40:16 PM  

you have pee hands: I once drove from the West Virginia border to the junction with I-70 on I-81, about 300 miles, without going over 62 mph once because Virginians drive at 62 mph in both lanes at all times.


Being from WV and also being used to zipping around blind curves in the the mountains at 70 mph....what kills me is when I go visit my sister in Indiana and the speed limit is 50.

50 for christ's sake! I can freaking see where I am going 100 miles away cuz it's flat and straight! Even If I did lose control I'd end up in a cornfield!
 
2013-01-25 03:11:12 PM  

Pud: The only thing he missed is the run on beer. If it's going to snow 100 miles away every Virginian is obligated to buy as much beer as they can, whether they drink or not. I think it's a law


It started snowing here and I just got back from a beer run, so I'm really getting a kick...
 
2013-01-25 03:25:17 PM  
It's true that Northern "Virginians" can't drive in snow. That's because most of them are transplants from areas that get no snow. Real Virginians know their roads and know their weather. Well, except for the drunks and the elderly.
 
2013-01-25 03:39:05 PM  
I don't get it. I've lived in Virginia my whole life. Near WV, near the coast, northern VA, but mostly southwestern Virginia.

I can drive in the snow. I just did to get home.

I will never understand why my fellow Virginians, people that grew up in the same weather I did, cannot drive in the snow.

And they raid the supermarkets. Did the weatherman call for an inch of snow? Welp, it'll be a good day for bread, milk and egg sellers...
 
2013-01-25 04:15:21 PM  
farm6.staticflickr.com
I blow eveyone one my block and still get to work by seven.
 
2013-01-25 04:21:11 PM  

eastiowa: I blow eveyone one my block and still get to work by seven.


Not sure why giving the neighbors a morning beej is relevant, but congrats on your oral skills
 
2013-01-25 04:31:43 PM  

eastiowa: [farm6.staticflickr.com image 640x480]
I blow eveyone one my block and still get to work by seven.


That's hot. I'm moving in next door.
 
2013-01-25 05:59:05 PM  
The best drivers in the United States are from Indiana, roughly along I-65 north of the I-865/65 merge northwest of Indianapolis to Gary. Or maybe it seems that way because we're bordered by Chicago's speed demons and Indianapolis' maniacs.
 
2013-01-25 06:08:31 PM  

eastiowa: [farm6.staticflickr.com image 640x480]
I blow eveyone one my block and still get to work by seven.


Mom?

/I keed
 
2013-01-25 06:25:52 PM  

eastiowa: I blow eveyone one my block and still get to work by seven.


There is porn in Iowa?
 
2013-01-25 06:36:42 PM  

Renob: Well, I don't think anyone has ever actually said, "Golly, the drivers where I'm from are really smart and courteous."


I was mostly impressed with NH drivers when I moved there. Eventually the bad ones there are do still get under your skin, but they're miles ahead of everywhere else I've lived; NJ, NY, PA, ID, WA, ...

Oliver Twisted:But seriously, you should all recognize that tires make a HUGE difference in the ability to manage weather conditions. When you put a good all season on your vehicle you will be amazed at the difference. The downside is, everyone else is too damn slow and need to get our of your way.

If crummy all-seasons amaze you, try some actual snow tires. Not the substandard ones with just the M+S "rating", but real ones with the Mountain&Snowflake emblem. I have a 4wd truck with all-seasons and a RWD sedan with "mods". The sedan has separate summer and winter tires, and when the snow gets heavy, the truck stays home.
 
2013-01-25 08:52:53 PM  

Yamaneko2: The best drivers in the United States are from Indiana, roughly along I-65 north of the I-865/65 merge northwest of Indianapolis to Gary. Or maybe it seems that way because we're bordered by Chicago's speed demons and Indianapolis' maniacs.


Yeah, no.

Road trip a few years back with a couple of buds - one from Goshen, one South Bend. Both spouted such nonsense before our trip (from VA to Chicago).

Literally half an hour into the trip, crossing the Blue Ridge, we see a bonehead move they point out as a "typical east coast driver".

We passed the guy - Indiana plates.

The stars were somehow aligned; every single dipshiat move we saw on the trip; Indiana plates.

It got to be hilarious.
 
2013-01-25 09:32:58 PM  
I live in NC and haven't noticed the "bread and milk" emergencies for the last decade. They rarely happen anymore. What hasn't changed is the type of snow that falls here. I know from personal experience that it is way easier to drive in "Yankee" snow than "Southern" snow. Southern snow forms at around thirty degrees making a semi-solid. It's much slipperier than snow formed at colder temperatures. I have driven at high speeds in Wisconsin that I wouldn't consider down here.
Few folks as far south as Virginia use snow tires, you can't even buy them at most shops without ordering them. We just don't get snow often enough to justify the cost. Maybe four days out of the year there is snow on the ground. Most sensible southerners know to just stay home for twenty-four hours until the crap is gone.
However: when you get a high congestion area like Northern Virginia with folks driving like Northerners (too fast, too close together) in an area with NO traction, a small error will rapidly multiply because NO ONE can stop. The same error farther north where you can actually stop a car in the snow doesn't lead to huge accidents.
Yankees, overall, are no better or worse than Southern drivers, they just think they are. Need evidence? My auto insurance for an old car (1979) is only $360 per year. Anyone from New Jersey paying that rate?
 
A7
2013-01-26 01:32:54 AM  
Virginians haven't even figured out how roads are supposed to work!

If you are backed up for 20 minutes at a light because the store you want to shop at isn't allowed to offer ingress to it's parking lot on the street you're on, you're Farked!

If you don't have Boulevards and "michigan lefts", meaning you can turn right on red lights then legally U turn in the direction you need to go, you're farked.

Get a clue! Just because you rule the Nation through Lobbyists, doesn't mean you have any idea how life actually works!
 
2013-01-26 07:39:24 AM  
Heh, I kid you not. Yesterday, we drove from Columbus, OH to Morgantown, WV during the snowfall and the roads were a bit rough. Whenever we saw someone driving stupid, no lie, 3/4 of the time they had Virginia plates. Like the rest of the traffic is doing 40 and they're passing in an unplowed lane at 70. One of them was actually weaving in an out of 45 mph traffic where the roads were whited out. In town, we saw two within ten minutes using the unplowed suicide lane to pass up traffic stopped at a light. It was actually a joke when we saw someone driving stupid to guess that the plate would be Virginia.
 
2013-01-26 12:19:02 PM  

tricycleracer: Man, why does an awesome city like D.C. have to be in such a dysfunctional part of America?


Probably because all of the elected derp ( and the staff they bring with them) is concentrated in that spot...
 
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