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2013-01-25 12:47:23 PM
About fifteen years ago, I was working in Northern Virginia, just across from DC. I remember laughing out loud when the powers that be began cancelling school for the next day based on a forcast for snow. Turns out actually, it was probably for the best.

If drivers everywhere would simply recognize the rules of the road instead of trying to shave off time from wherever it is they were going, we'd all arrive on time and in one piece.
 
2013-01-25 12:47:32 PM

greenboy: groppet: doyner: Pud: I grew up there, PN was spot on. The only thing he missed is the run on beer. If it's going to snow 100 miles away every Virginian is obligated to buy as much beer as they can, whether they drink or not. I think it's a law

In all seriousness, I think that the shiatty driving around here is because of the overwhelming diversity.  People come here from all over the nation (and the world for that matter), bringing their own driving norms to this highly-congested area.  There is no uniformity of habit; making everyone relatively unpredicatable.  There are enough no-snow-climate drivers here to seed gridlock and collisions to ensure that the first flake to fall from the sky will create mayhem amongst the flakes already behind the wheel.

Thats always been my theory of the area as well a lot of people from warm climates thinking that their 4WD SUV can go over ice like its normal road cause "Hey I got 4WD!"

/dreading the storm that is supposed to start at 3pm today.

You mean the one that is going to dump a 1/2 inch? Stupid DC area snow holes


Yeah. It's not so much the snow Im afraid of it's the idiots on the road. They have already started to cancel schools. People are leaving work to go pick up their kids. Damn I need to have a kid so I can get outta work more often.
 
2013-01-25 12:47:45 PM

doyner: Pud: I grew up there, PN was spot on. The only thing he missed is the run on beer. If it's going to snow 100 miles away every Virginian is obligated to buy as much beer as they can, whether they drink or not. I think it's a law

In all seriousness, I think that the shiatty driving around here is because of the overwhelming diversity.  People come here from all over the nation (and the world for that matter), bringing their own driving norms to this highly-congested area.  There is no uniformity of habit; making everyone relatively unpredicatable.  There are enough no-snow-climate drivers here to seed gridlock and collisions to ensure that the first flake to fall from the sky will create mayhem amongst the flakes already behind the wheel.


This is so true! The first mention of snow, and I'm talking about "We might get some flurries!" and people lose their shiat!

Also, it seems like if snow is forecasted, all the farking morons who are the worst drivers on the planet feel the need to go out and drive around.

BunkoSquad: I've been sitting here stuck in traffic on I-95 between DC and Fredericksburg since May 17, 2010, so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies.


This made me LOL! There almost always seems to be some sort of bottlenecking of traffic through that area...especially where the HOV lanes end toward Quantico...and with all this stupid construction, they are farking it up worse.


But seriously, as much as people say that the NoVA/DC drivers can't be any worse than any other major city, I've got news for you...they ARE! I'd tell you to come see for yourself, but that'd just create more people on the roads here who don't know what they are doing :-p
 
2013-01-25 12:50:30 PM

Minerva8918: doyner: Pud: I grew up there, PN was spot on. The only thing he missed is the run on beer. If it's going to snow 100 miles away every Virginian is obligated to buy as much beer as they can, whether they drink or not. I think it's a law

In all seriousness, I think that the shiatty driving around here is because of the overwhelming diversity.  People come here from all over the nation (and the world for that matter), bringing their own driving norms to this highly-congested area.  There is no uniformity of habit; making everyone relatively unpredicatable.  There are enough no-snow-climate drivers here to seed gridlock and collisions to ensure that the first flake to fall from the sky will create mayhem amongst the flakes already behind the wheel.

This is so true! The first mention of snow, and I'm talking about "We might get some flurries!" and people lose their shiat!

Also, it seems like if snow is forecasted, all the farking morons who are the worst drivers on the planet feel the need to go out and drive around.

BunkoSquad: I've been sitting here stuck in traffic on I-95 between DC and Fredericksburg since May 17, 2010, so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies.

This made me LOL! There almost always seems to be some sort of bottlenecking of traffic through that area...especially where the HOV lanes end toward Quantico...and with all this stupid construction, they are farking it up worse.


But seriously, as much as people say that the NoVA/DC drivers can't be any worse than any other major city, I've got news for you...they ARE! I'd tell you to come see for yourself, but that'd just create more people on the roads here who don't know what they are doing :-p


Memphis drivers are worse, nothing like training yourself to wait 3 seconds before begining through a green light because people accelerate on a yellow 500 yards back.
 
2013-01-25 12:53:42 PM

groppet: greenboy: groppet: doyner: Pud: I grew up there, PN was spot on. The only thing he missed is the run on beer. If it's going to snow 100 miles away every Virginian is obligated to buy as much beer as they can, whether they drink or not. I think it's a law

In all seriousness, I think that the shiatty driving around here is because of the overwhelming diversity.  People come here from all over the nation (and the world for that matter), bringing their own driving norms to this highly-congested area.  There is no uniformity of habit; making everyone relatively unpredicatable.  There are enough no-snow-climate drivers here to seed gridlock and collisions to ensure that the first flake to fall from the sky will create mayhem amongst the flakes already behind the wheel.

Thats always been my theory of the area as well a lot of people from warm climates thinking that their 4WD SUV can go over ice like its normal road cause "Hey I got 4WD!"

/dreading the storm that is supposed to start at 3pm today.

You mean the one that is going to dump a 1/2 inch? Stupid DC area snow holes

Yeah. It's not so much the snow Im afraid of it's the idiots on the road. They have already started to cancel schools. People are leaving work to go pick up their kids. Damn I need to have a kid so I can get outta work more often.


My wife is a teacher so she got the day off. Unfortunately one kid is sick so she couldn't have a free day alone (kids go to daycare, which is definitely still open).
 
2013-01-25 12:53:53 PM

ph0rk: take_flight: As a upstate New Yorker who deals with feet of lake effect snow, these comments have left me giggling uncontrollably. Thank you!

Not that it has happened here yet in this case, but you probably don't have the rapid freeze/thaw cycles we get down here. In addition to bad infrastructure for snow (no plows or salt trucks to speak of, this is changing though) we also have very prevalent ice problems.

FWIW, down here in NC as often as not a snow/ice related accident on the interstate is an SUV with NY or NJ plates, so there.


It's usually because some hayseed cuts us off without using a god damn turn signal.


/Hicks, the blinkers are there for a reason
 
2013-01-25 12:56:37 PM

Fano: Memphis drivers are worse, nothing like training yourself to wait 3 seconds before begining through a green light because people accelerate on a yellow 500 yards back.


Now imagine living in the DC area married to a woman from northern Mississippi who drives like she's back in Memphis.

I'm too old for this shiat.
 
2013-01-25 01:00:14 PM
Fano: Memphis drivers are worse, nothing like training yourself to wait 3 seconds before begining through a green light because people accelerate on a yellow 500 yards back.

Yellow lights here are challenged frequently accepted. Same with red lights, unfortunately...
 
2013-01-25 01:01:02 PM
Paraphrased from TFA :you people in the north don't get it, we have black ice! BLACK ICE!

Stupid people. Black ice can happen anywhere you get snow or sleet
 
2013-01-25 01:01:22 PM

Minerva8918: Fano: Memphis drivers are worse, nothing like training yourself to wait 3 seconds before begining through a green light because people accelerate on a yellow 500 yards back.

Yellow lights here are challenged frequently accepted. Same with red lights, unfortunately...


Well also, it's more like a yellow light means 4 cars can go through, and a red like means 2.
 
2013-01-25 01:02:25 PM

Mnemia: I agree that at least 85% of drivers suck at driving, but they manage a surprising diversity in how they suck.


Good drivers are all alike; bad drivers all suck in their own unique way.

/with apologies to Leo Tolstoy
 
2013-01-25 01:02:48 PM
red LIGHT*

I can't seem to put all my thoughts into one post before hitting submit, nor check my spelling. Derp. Sorry.
 
2013-01-25 01:04:07 PM
I grew up in NJ and now live in NOVA.  The panic here over snow is absurd.

That said, it snowed like two inches early yesterday morning, and by this morning it had melted and refrozen.  Our parking lot was a sheet of ice.  I don't drive, but I nearly wiped out more than once on my walk to the Metro.  They do a TERRIBLE job of dealing with the ice.  I have slipped and fallen more than a dozen times in my 8 years here.
 
2013-01-25 01:04:59 PM

dopekitty74: Paraphrased from TFA :you people in the north don't get it, we have black ice! BLACK ICE!

Stupid people. Black ice can happen anywhere you get snow or sleet


It's not that - it's that they don't deal with it.  They don't clean the streets well.  Couple that with the overall derpy panic and it's a recipe for disaster.  I wish the motherf*ckers would just invest in some salt, jeez.
 
2013-01-25 01:07:59 PM

Pocket Ninja: It is true that Virginians can't drive in the snow. But this is primarily due to the fact that most of them are hurrying to the supermarket to stock up on the three-week supply of emergency milk, eggs, and toilet paper that an inch of blizzard might produce in the region. This causes long lines in the stores, which causes traffic jams in the parking lots, and effect that then ripples out to the roads. The only solution would be to create some sort of Federal Emergency Snow Supply Agenecy (FESSA) which could distribute, perhaps via helicopter or drone drop, these critical supplies to families throughout the region without necessitating those families venturing out into the tundra.


Someday, future archaelogists are going to marvel at the annual french toast rings in the garbage dumps unearthed in the DC area.

\what else can you make from eggs, bread, and milk?
 
2013-01-25 01:10:56 PM
They salt the roads, but they don't bother to spread the salt or distribute it evenly.  You end up driving over small hills of salt on the road that resemble snow drifts where the trucks just dump out all their salt, then a tenth of a mile later you drive over patches of snow and ice.

The other problem is the snow removal budgets often run out during the first snow of the year. The contractors driving the snow plows want their money, so you'll often see a plow patrolling around a day or two  beforea storm, thus getting paid for their time without actually moving any snow.  Sometimes they drizzle lines of salt on the road before the storm, most of the time they just drive around all day and then disappear when the snow starts falling.
 
2013-01-25 01:11:16 PM

PrivateCaboose: dopekitty74: Paraphrased from TFA :you people in the north don't get it, we have black ice! BLACK ICE!

Stupid people. Black ice can happen anywhere you get snow or sleet

It's not that - it's that they don't deal with it.  They don't clean the streets well.  Couple that with the overall derpy panic and it's a recipe for disaster.  I wish the motherf*ckers would just invest in some salt, jeez.


Can I use "Derpy Panic" as a band name? That's fantastic.

And I agree - VDOT doesn't do much of anything well, but they're especially bad at snow/ice removal, especially on secondary roads.
 
2013-01-25 01:19:04 PM
Only place I've been where people *could* drive in the snow?

Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Michigan's UP.

And they invariably drove beater 2wd sedans, like a Cutlass Sierra. Or logging trucks. But nothing in between.
 
2013-01-25 01:19:18 PM

Colin O'Scopy: Dear Virginians:

Pussies.

Signed,
Canada


Dear Canada,

40C is a mild late spring/early summer day.

Signed,
The South

take_flight: As a upstate New Yorker who deals with feet of lake effect snow, these comments have left me giggling uncontrollably. Thank you!


Preach!

/3 years in Utica and Watertown
//no 4WD, quite a bit in a 2WD pickup
///only got stuck once, in an unplowed parking lot.
 
2013-01-25 01:29:12 PM

a_room_with_a_moose: LazerFish: I live close to a ski resort in WV, we get a lot of tourists from all over the country. You constantly see these expensive looking out of state SUVs stuck in a ditch and a rusty old wv pickup pulling them out. VA drivers are bad, but not compared to those folks who come from those flat states with nothing but straight roads.

Pocahontas Co. person, are ye?

Western Kanawha Co., myself. Wish I lived in the mountains.


born and raised, it's calling for a foot of snow tonight at Snowshoe (ski resort), and everyone around here is elated about it. Snow = $ (I just wish I could enjoy it, instead of working there)
 
2013-01-25 01:32:21 PM

PrivateCaboose: dopekitty74: Paraphrased from TFA :you people in the north don't get it, we have black ice! BLACK ICE!

Stupid people. Black ice can happen anywhere you get snow or sleet

It's not that - it's that they don't deal with it.  They don't clean the streets well.  Couple that with the overall derpy panic and it's a recipe for disaster.  I wish the motherf*ckers would just invest in some salt, jeez.


My hubby is from england. They have similarly craptacular snow/ice removal infrastructure. I just don't understand why. England has always gotten snow in the winter hasn't it?
 
2013-01-25 01:33:39 PM

This text is now purple: Pocket Ninja: It is true that Virginians can't drive in the snow. But this is primarily due to the fact that most of them are hurrying to the supermarket to stock up on the three-week supply of emergency milk, eggs, and toilet paper that an inch of blizzard might produce in the region. This causes long lines in the stores, which causes traffic jams in the parking lots, and effect that then ripples out to the roads. The only solution would be to create some sort of Federal Emergency Snow Supply Agenecy (FESSA) which could distribute, perhaps via helicopter or drone drop, these critical supplies to families throughout the region without necessitating those families venturing out into the tundra.

Someday, future archaelogists are going to marvel at the annual french toast rings in the garbage dumps unearthed in the DC area.

\what else can you make from eggs, bread, and milk?


If you have raisins, bread pudding. Yum!
 
2013-01-25 01:34:34 PM

2wolves: Virginians also stock up in diapers. Even if they don't have children. Very odd.


Diapers are a non-perishable barter commodity. If the supermarkets remain cut off from their supply lines, you can barter diapers for dwindling quantities of fresh fruit and meat.
 
2013-01-25 01:38:29 PM
Northern Virginia is "Virginia" the same way New York city is "New York".

It's not.
 
2013-01-25 01:38:29 PM

take_flight: As a upstate New Yorker who deals with feet of lake effect snow, these comments have left me giggling uncontrollably. Thank you!


As a NoVA resident who went to school in upstate New York, thanks to your fine state for teaching me how to handle a vehicle in real snow. I'm not sure how I'd have gotten home during Snowpocalypse without it.

/still took eight hours
 
2013-01-25 01:41:16 PM

ph0rk: take_flight: As a upstate New Yorker who deals with feet of lake effect snow, these comments have left me giggling uncontrollably. Thank you!

Not that it has happened here yet in this case, but you probably don't have the rapid freeze/thaw cycles we get down here. In addition to bad infrastructure for snow (no plows or salt trucks to speak of, this is changing though) we also have very prevalent ice problems.

FWIW, down here in NC as often as not a snow/ice related accident on the interstate is an SUV with NY or NJ plates, so there.


Yup, driven in multiple inches of snow up north, and it's muuuuch easier than 1 inch of snow over 1/4 inch of ice.

It's been cold as hell and dry all week here (VA), so there should be no excuse for this one
 
2013-01-25 01:41:33 PM

Colin O'Scopy: Dear Virginians:

Pussies.

Signed,
Canada


Yeah - all those mountains and hills you guys have in Eastern CA must be really tough to drive on eh? Now if you're from BC or out west I'd agree but Ontario has no reason to talk. You have plow trucks and salt in abundance which is something the mid-Atlantic states don't have.
 
2013-01-25 01:46:58 PM

Mnemia: Also, drivers suck in different ways depending on the local driving culture


Oh MAN yes, yes 100%. I just noticed this too a couple years ago when we moved to the city we're in now. Each city sorta has their own way of driving badly.

I also find it humourous that I'd say... more or less 15% of the posters in this thread have agreed with me?
 
2013-01-25 01:51:07 PM
I lived up in Herndon a few years back, and my sister in law came up and stayed with us awhile to see if she would like the area. One day we all went to the Fair Oaks mall and she kept saying "watch out for that car, it's got one of those bad driving stickers on it". We asked her what that was all about and she "there's one, right there--it says UVA on it, that means they can't drive worth a sh*t".
No sooner had she finished saying this when the ding-dong in the mini-van with the UVA sticker on it cuts someone off, nearly causing a wreck. "See, I told you so. Everyone with one of those UVA stickers is a g__ d___ menace." We had a hard time convincing her that UVA meant they went to the University of Virginia and that it wasn't something the state made bad drivers put on their car to warn everyone that they were idiots.
 
2013-01-25 01:56:22 PM

doyner: Pud: I grew up there, PN was spot on. The only thing he missed is the run on beer. If it's going to snow 100 miles away every Virginian is obligated to buy as much beer as they can, whether they drink or not. I think it's a law

In all seriousness, I think that the shiatty driving around here is because of the overwhelming diversity.  People come here from all over the nation (and the world for that matter), bringing their own driving norms to this highly-congested area.  There is no uniformity of habit; making everyone relatively unpredicatable.  There are enough no-snow-climate drivers here to seed gridlock and collisions to ensure that the first flake to fall from the sky will create mayhem amongst the flakes already behind the wheel.


The only thing that has helped me cope with the hive-stupidity that is DC Metro traffic is the assumption
that the person I am following on the road had no idea where they are going.  That has allowed me to
take the idiot yakking on their cellphone at 25MPH in the fast lane on the beltway, or the moron trying to
make a left-hand turn off K Street down a clearly marked "DO NOT TURN LEFT" street at 4:14pm with
a lot more equanimity.

/NJ born and bred.
//Would rather drive in MANHATTAN at rush hour than on the Beltway at midnight.
 
2013-01-25 02:01:50 PM

AdmirableSnackbar: ph0rk: AdmirableSnackbar: I don't know about that. There doesn't seem to be any diversity to VA drivers that I see on the highways. Almost every time I see a car with a VA license plate on I-95, it's in the left lane traveling within 5 mph of the speed limit and clogging up traffic behind them. And they only move over a lane when people start to try passing them on the right. It's like they need to get in the way as much as possible no matter what they're doing. I thought I'd be done seeing that happen when I moved to Boston from the MD/DE area, but every so often I still see VA plates up here doing the same thing.

More states need stricter "slower traffic keep right" laws.

NJ used to do it right (not sure if they still do). A buddy of mine - with NJ plates - got pulled over for traveling too long in the left lane with nobody in the right lane to pass. They're really strict about left lane travel, which is great, but it also seems to cause NJ drivers to abuse the left lane when they're not in the dirty jerz.


NJ will still ticket you for not keeping right, though that's more likely to happen on secondary roads like
Route 130 or Route 1 rather than on the Turnpike or Parkway.
 
2013-01-25 02:13:58 PM

sure haven't: Mnemia: Also, drivers suck in different ways depending on the local driving culture

Oh MAN yes, yes 100%. I just noticed this too a couple years ago when we moved to the city we're in now. Each city sorta has their own way of driving badly.

I also find it humourous that I'd say... more or less 15% of the posters in this thread have agreed with me?


It's true - lived in Denver and that place was scary. A red light means "only 5 or 6 more cars". Would no-shiat get angry honks from behind if I stopped for a red light.

The only "universally bad" (instead of "mostly bad") drivers I've seen are from MD.

So, yeah, most drivers in any given area suck. If you don't think your area sucks, then you suck - you just suck in the same way your homies do so you don't notice it.
 
2013-01-25 02:18:47 PM
Made it back no problem. I only encountered light flurries. Now, I'm at home enjoying some Chinese takeout and watching Netflix.
 
2013-01-25 02:21:33 PM

varmitydog: I lived up in Herndon a few years back, and my sister in law came up and stayed with us awhile to see if she would like the area. One day we all went to the Fair Oaks mall and she kept saying "watch out for that car, it's got one of those bad driving stickers on it". We asked her what that was all about and she "there's one, right there--it says UVA on it, that means they can't drive worth a sh*t".
No sooner had she finished saying this when the ding-dong in the mini-van with the UVA sticker on it cuts someone off, nearly causing a wreck. "See, I told you so. Everyone with one of those UVA stickers is a g__ d___ menace." We had a hard time convincing her that UVA meant they went to the University of Virginia and that it wasn't something the state made bad drivers put on their car to warn everyone that they were idiots.


at UVA, from herndon. have a sticker

*clicks like
 
2013-01-25 02:25:33 PM
75 & sunny here in Miami

/biatches
 
2013-01-25 02:36:27 PM
because I grew up in Virignia....I live in California
couldn't get furthur away & still be in the lower 48
Yes, it is an improvement
 
2013-01-25 02:40:16 PM

you have pee hands: I once drove from the West Virginia border to the junction with I-70 on I-81, about 300 miles, without going over 62 mph once because Virginians drive at 62 mph in both lanes at all times.


Being from WV and also being used to zipping around blind curves in the the mountains at 70 mph....what kills me is when I go visit my sister in Indiana and the speed limit is 50.

50 for christ's sake! I can freaking see where I am going 100 miles away cuz it's flat and straight! Even If I did lose control I'd end up in a cornfield!
 
2013-01-25 03:11:12 PM

Pud: The only thing he missed is the run on beer. If it's going to snow 100 miles away every Virginian is obligated to buy as much beer as they can, whether they drink or not. I think it's a law


It started snowing here and I just got back from a beer run, so I'm really getting a kick...
 
2013-01-25 03:25:17 PM
It's true that Northern "Virginians" can't drive in snow. That's because most of them are transplants from areas that get no snow. Real Virginians know their roads and know their weather. Well, except for the drunks and the elderly.
 
2013-01-25 03:39:05 PM
I don't get it. I've lived in Virginia my whole life. Near WV, near the coast, northern VA, but mostly southwestern Virginia.

I can drive in the snow. I just did to get home.

I will never understand why my fellow Virginians, people that grew up in the same weather I did, cannot drive in the snow.

And they raid the supermarkets. Did the weatherman call for an inch of snow? Welp, it'll be a good day for bread, milk and egg sellers...
 
2013-01-25 04:15:21 PM
farm6.staticflickr.com
I blow eveyone one my block and still get to work by seven.
 
2013-01-25 04:21:11 PM

eastiowa: I blow eveyone one my block and still get to work by seven.


Not sure why giving the neighbors a morning beej is relevant, but congrats on your oral skills
 
2013-01-25 04:31:43 PM

eastiowa: [farm6.staticflickr.com image 640x480]
I blow eveyone one my block and still get to work by seven.


That's hot. I'm moving in next door.
 
2013-01-25 05:59:05 PM
The best drivers in the United States are from Indiana, roughly along I-65 north of the I-865/65 merge northwest of Indianapolis to Gary. Or maybe it seems that way because we're bordered by Chicago's speed demons and Indianapolis' maniacs.
 
2013-01-25 06:08:31 PM

eastiowa: [farm6.staticflickr.com image 640x480]
I blow eveyone one my block and still get to work by seven.


Mom?

/I keed
 
2013-01-25 06:25:52 PM

eastiowa: I blow eveyone one my block and still get to work by seven.


There is porn in Iowa?
 
2013-01-25 06:36:42 PM

Renob: Well, I don't think anyone has ever actually said, "Golly, the drivers where I'm from are really smart and courteous."


I was mostly impressed with NH drivers when I moved there. Eventually the bad ones there are do still get under your skin, but they're miles ahead of everywhere else I've lived; NJ, NY, PA, ID, WA, ...

Oliver Twisted:But seriously, you should all recognize that tires make a HUGE difference in the ability to manage weather conditions. When you put a good all season on your vehicle you will be amazed at the difference. The downside is, everyone else is too damn slow and need to get our of your way.

If crummy all-seasons amaze you, try some actual snow tires. Not the substandard ones with just the M+S "rating", but real ones with the Mountain&Snowflake emblem. I have a 4wd truck with all-seasons and a RWD sedan with "mods". The sedan has separate summer and winter tires, and when the snow gets heavy, the truck stays home.
 
2013-01-25 08:52:53 PM

Yamaneko2: The best drivers in the United States are from Indiana, roughly along I-65 north of the I-865/65 merge northwest of Indianapolis to Gary. Or maybe it seems that way because we're bordered by Chicago's speed demons and Indianapolis' maniacs.


Yeah, no.

Road trip a few years back with a couple of buds - one from Goshen, one South Bend. Both spouted such nonsense before our trip (from VA to Chicago).

Literally half an hour into the trip, crossing the Blue Ridge, we see a bonehead move they point out as a "typical east coast driver".

We passed the guy - Indiana plates.

The stars were somehow aligned; every single dipshiat move we saw on the trip; Indiana plates.

It got to be hilarious.
 
2013-01-25 09:32:58 PM
I live in NC and haven't noticed the "bread and milk" emergencies for the last decade. They rarely happen anymore. What hasn't changed is the type of snow that falls here. I know from personal experience that it is way easier to drive in "Yankee" snow than "Southern" snow. Southern snow forms at around thirty degrees making a semi-solid. It's much slipperier than snow formed at colder temperatures. I have driven at high speeds in Wisconsin that I wouldn't consider down here.
Few folks as far south as Virginia use snow tires, you can't even buy them at most shops without ordering them. We just don't get snow often enough to justify the cost. Maybe four days out of the year there is snow on the ground. Most sensible southerners know to just stay home for twenty-four hours until the crap is gone.
However: when you get a high congestion area like Northern Virginia with folks driving like Northerners (too fast, too close together) in an area with NO traction, a small error will rapidly multiply because NO ONE can stop. The same error farther north where you can actually stop a car in the snow doesn't lead to huge accidents.
Yankees, overall, are no better or worse than Southern drivers, they just think they are. Need evidence? My auto insurance for an old car (1979) is only $360 per year. Anyone from New Jersey paying that rate?
 
A7
2013-01-26 01:32:54 AM
Virginians haven't even figured out how roads are supposed to work!

If you are backed up for 20 minutes at a light because the store you want to shop at isn't allowed to offer ingress to it's parking lot on the street you're on, you're Farked!

If you don't have Boulevards and "michigan lefts", meaning you can turn right on red lights then legally U turn in the direction you need to go, you're farked.

Get a clue! Just because you rule the Nation through Lobbyists, doesn't mean you have any idea how life actually works!
 
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