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2013-01-25 11:28:41 AM  
LOL...Several counties here in Georgia closed all schools today because there MIGHT be a slight chance of a ten minute ice storm this afternoon, maybe.
 
2013-01-25 11:30:08 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: ph0rk: take_flight: As a upstate New Yorker who deals with feet of lake effect snow, these comments have left me giggling uncontrollably. Thank you!

Not that it has happened here yet in this case, but you probably don't have the rapid freeze/thaw cycles we get down here. In addition to bad infrastructure for snow (no plows or salt trucks to speak of, this is changing though) we also have very prevalent ice problems.

FWIW, down here in NC as often as not a snow/ice related accident on the interstate is an SUV with NY or NJ plates, so there.

In those conditions, it's rarely the person who caused the accident who ends up in the accident. I'd wager that in most of those cases the NY/NJ drivers were probably trying to avoid an accident with a local and ended up crashing anyway.


Frequently it is a lone SUV off the road wrapped around a tree (sometimes with local plates too, of course). Being used to frequently plowed roads and too much trust in 4wd/awd is the problem, also assuming that ice=snow.
 
2013-01-25 11:32:40 AM  

sure haven't: No one anywhere can drive.

I estimate that about 80-85% of the general populace don't drive properly.

The 15% who drive properly will agree instantly.
If you disagree, it means you're part of the 85%. Cause if you knew how to drive you would seriously agree instantly.

The biggest problem is no one pays attention. You'r driving a 3,000lb death machine. Pay attention.

Even if we just STARTED with everyone maintaining speed and using turn signals, the world would be such a better place.

/90 min round-trip commute
//I've had to turn it into a funny game in my head, or else I'd have been driven crazy by now


I agree completely. I pay a lot of attention to how I drive, and how other people drive, mainly because I'd rather they not hit me. I'm not sure if it's because I've gotten more observant as I've gotten older or if the quality of driving in general has gone downhill. But I've noticed a large increase in what I'd call general "sloppiness" in people's driving. Things like not staying in lanes precisely; changing lanes during turns; lack of turn signals; and people just ignoring signage and making "assumptions" like that that 2-way stop is actually a 4-way stop. Maybe this is due to cell phones and texting or something, maybe it's due to total lack of police enforcement of these "minor" rules. But I feel like people just aren't bothering to be good drivers anymore.

Also, drivers suck in different ways depending on the local driving culture. In the SC Lowcountry, they're often just inept and too polite, blocking traffic flow to let someone in, etc. In bigger cities they tend to be more competent about driving in traffic, but more aggressive. Some places red light running is rampant, etc.

Short answer: I agree that at least 85% of drivers suck at driving, but they manage a surprising diversity in how they suck.
 
2013-01-25 11:33:07 AM  

Pocket Ninja: It is true that Virginians can't drive in the snow. But this is primarily due to the fact that most of them are hurrying to the supermarket to stock up on the three-week supply of emergency milk, eggs, and toilet paper that an inch of blizzard might produce in the region. This causes long lines in the stores, which causes traffic jams in the parking lots, and effect that then ripples out to the roads. The only solution would be to create some sort of Federal Emergency Snow Supply Agenecy (FESSA) which could distribute, perhaps via helicopter or drone drop, these critical supplies to families throughout the region without necessitating those families venturing out into the tundra.


"Well, my power might go out, and I might not be able to get out of the house for a few days, so let me buy the most perishable items they sell in the grocery store."

/NoVaer
 
2013-01-25 11:33:46 AM  
You want to see fun, come to So-Cal when it rains!
 
2013-01-25 11:33:52 AM  

swingbozo: Hilly? Virginia? LOL. The east coast hasn't a clue as to what a mountain is let alone a hill. Give me a farking break.


If you want truly amusing snow drivers, try venturing into Tulsa, OK during a light dusting. Abandoned cars all around, and the nearest hill is likely in Texas.

/Maryland driver
//Couldn't drive in snow until the great winter of 1992
///Stopped in my tracks driving south through VA in the Snowpocalypse when it was just starting to flurry (the NOVA traffic had just thinned enough for full speed driving)
 
2013-01-25 11:34:52 AM  

Bermuda59: You want to see fun, come to So-Cal when it rains!


Is the rain that scary?
 
2013-01-25 11:35:16 AM  

reklamfox: Pocket Ninja: It is true that Virginians can't drive in the snow. But this is primarily due to the fact that most of them are hurrying to the supermarket to stock up on the three-week supply of emergency milk, eggs, and toilet paper that an inch of blizzard might produce in the region. This causes long lines in the stores, which causes traffic jams in the parking lots, and effect that then ripples out to the roads. The only solution would be to create some sort of Federal Emergency Snow Supply Agenecy (FESSA) which could distribute, perhaps via helicopter or drone drop, these critical supplies to families throughout the region without necessitating those families venturing out into the tundra.

^^^^ SOOO MUCH THIS ^^^^

As a VA resident I can attest to the unbelievable panic that ripples through this state at the sight of a single flake. It's snowing here right now in SW VA and my roomie (works at wal mart) says its PACKED. No bread, no eggs and no milk. And we're only supposed to get 2in. This state is stupid


YUP.
Everyone here is pooping their diapers over this like it was snowmageddon from 3 xmas back (OMG 6 inches of snow! STOP EVERYTHING!). What PocketNinja said is 100 percent true. They aren't stocking up because because they fear being snowed in. They are stocking up because cities shut down at the sight of more than 5 snowflakes and you might not be able to get food due to that.
People here CANNOT drive rain/snow/sleet/sunshine. It is the reason I refuse to own or ride a motorcycle in VA. Case and point, friend of mine has to have physical therapy because he couldn't walk for 3 months after he was blindsided by some dumb bimbo texting and driving at the same time who swerved into his lane. He swerved to avoid her taking him out and slammed into a tractor trailer because of her.

/CSB?
 
2013-01-25 11:35:34 AM  

pute kisses like a man: meh. people from areas where its snows constantly, hush up. y'all are prepared for it.

/ it's like people along the gulf or southeast coast making fun of northerners for not knowing how to prepare for a hurricane. being aware of the problems and preparing accordingly makes all the difference. i heard all sorts of dumb ideas from friends in new york when sandy was coming. but, i didn't make fun of them, i informed them that they were not aware of all the things that can and will go wrong.
// never been to virginia. is snow common? if so, shame on them for being bad drivers.


Nope, pretty rare. It snows a couple of times per year and like yesterday and today, usually pretty small amounts. That's why the huge snows a few years ago were so crazy. But most drivers are crazy assholes here normally so adding in snow just removes their very small to non-existent margins of error. I don't think these people realize how often they narrowly miss others. Tailgating and cutting people off at high speeds then slamming on the brakes. Guess what? That doesn't work when it's slick.
 
2013-01-25 11:36:24 AM  
Virginians aren't the best drivers, but they're much better than those with Maryland or DC plates. DC drivers dash about with the sort of reckless insanity that's second only to New Yorkers, while Marylanders exhibit the exact combination of maliciousness and stupidity that makes you want to commit violent acts of road rage against all of them.

Disclaimer: That stretch of I-95 mentioned in the article is where I get off to go home. I wasn't out that day; knew better and worked from home.
 
2013-01-25 11:36:56 AM  
Well, I don't think anyone has ever actually said, "Golly, the drivers where I'm from are really smart and courteous."
 
2013-01-25 11:37:43 AM  

RangerTaylor: I gotta say, as much as I complain about MA traffic, we do snow pretty well. I grew up in western NY though, so the "blizzards" we get here in the Massachuviet Union make me chortle in my superiority.


really? i grew up in northern new york and i think the MA snow removal system is a joke. They seem to have outsourced their snow removal to any contractor with a pick up truck and a blade.
 
2013-01-25 11:38:24 AM  
This is like Angelenos in the rain- they cannot drive worth a **** in it and react in the following fashion:

"OMG there's WATER.. falling from the SKY!!!! Must drive 2 MPH in the left lane of the 405!!!!" (and everywhere else....)

The CHP just assumes no one can drive in the snow and requires chains for an inch.

/from Michigan, not afraid to top 40mph in the rain
//roads were rather slick today. Lots of braking for hallucinations.
 
2013-01-25 11:42:42 AM  

groppet: doyner: Pud: I grew up there, PN was spot on. The only thing he missed is the run on beer. If it's going to snow 100 miles away every Virginian is obligated to buy as much beer as they can, whether they drink or not. I think it's a law

In all seriousness, I think that the shiatty driving around here is because of the overwhelming diversity.  People come here from all over the nation (and the world for that matter), bringing their own driving norms to this highly-congested area.  There is no uniformity of habit; making everyone relatively unpredicatable.  There are enough no-snow-climate drivers here to seed gridlock and collisions to ensure that the first flake to fall from the sky will create mayhem amongst the flakes already behind the wheel.

Thats always been my theory of the area as well a lot of people from warm climates thinking that their 4WD SUV can go over ice like its normal road cause "Hey I got 4WD!"

/dreading the storm that is supposed to start at 3pm today.


You mean the one that is going to dump a 1/2 inch? Stupid DC area snow holes
 
2013-01-25 11:43:12 AM  

RoughTrickNamedJim: I have a doctor appointment in Newport News this afternoon. I live in Norfolk and have to go across the HRBT and it is expected to should start snowing right around then. I'm kind of dreading the drive. My snow driving experience is limited to one winter in New York and being from the south, I just tried to avoid driving in the snow if I could. MY car is AWD and has ABS. That helps me grip and stop straight (not shorter) but I'm a bit out of practice. Add in the craptastic driving style of most everyone in the Hampton Roads region and I'm sure it'll turn into a clusterfark shortly.


You know as well as I do that if they're calling for 1-2" here, we'll probably get a dusting to fark-all. Godspeed anyway.
 
2013-01-25 11:45:14 AM  
"We're almost on the freeze line. Up north in the snowbelt, once it snows, it doesn't melt and refreeze. We have things folks driving in the northern climates don't have, like black ice."

*snicker*

You stupid, stupid person.
 
2013-01-25 11:48:08 AM  

tlchwi02: RangerTaylor: I gotta say, as much as I complain about MA traffic, we do snow pretty well. I grew up in western NY though, so the "blizzards" we get here in the Massachuviet Union make me chortle in my superiority.

really? i grew up in northern new york and i think the MA snow removal system is a joke. They seem to have outsourced their snow removal to any contractor with a pick up truck and a blade.


That's what I mean. What they think of as 'big snow' here was what, every week upstate? That being said, it's far better than anywhere else. NY is simply king when it comes to taking care of the roads in the winter.
 
2013-01-25 11:48:28 AM  

2wolves: Virginians also stock up in diapers. Even if they don't have children. Very odd.


Well, we get snowed in and have nothing but bread, eggs, and milk. So after we've eaten French toast for days, we exhaust our supply of toilet paper and need the diapers.
 
2013-01-25 11:49:34 AM  

sure haven't: No one anywhere can drive.

I estimate that about 80-85% of the general populace don't drive properly.

The 15% who drive properly will agree instantly.
If you disagree, it means you're part of the 85%. Cause if you knew how to drive you would seriously agree instantly.

The biggest problem is no one pays attention. You'r driving a 3,000lb death machine. Pay attention.

Even if we just STARTED with everyone maintaining speed and using turn signals, the world would be such a better place.

/90 min round-trip commute
//I've had to turn it into a funny game in my head, or else I'd have been driven crazy by now


Thissity This.
 
2013-01-25 11:50:33 AM  

swingbozo: Hilly? Virginia? LOL. The east coast hasn't a clue as to what a mountain is let alone a hill. Give me a farking break.


You've obviously never driven around Virginia then.
 
2013-01-25 11:51:50 AM  
I was just whipping shaities with the work van.  Good times.
 
2013-01-25 11:52:03 AM  

RangerTaylor: I gotta say, as much as I complain about MA traffic, we do snow pretty well. I grew up in western NY though, so the "blizzards" we get here in the Massachuviet Union make me chortle in my superiority.


I got my first real experience driving in snow in MA/NH (I'm a lousy Virginian, and can be in NC in 25 minutes). It was only for a week on business trip, but I have to say the major roads in most towns (even "smaller" towns) stayed in pretty good shape. Also, I drove from Acton to Logan airport in the morning rush, and I thought MA traffic was civil if not the speediest. Maybe it was a particularly good day?

/Massholes undetected
 
2013-01-25 11:54:25 AM  
Hey Virgina you can't drive! You can't even reach the pedals!
 
2013-01-25 11:56:46 AM  
A FARK story, that links a story, that references a FARK article...Its like an Ouroboros of not news.
 
2013-01-25 12:00:22 PM  

Pocket Ninja: It is true that Virginians can't drive in the snow. But this is primarily due to the fact that most of them are hurrying to the supermarket to stock up on the three-week supply of emergency milk, eggs, and toilet paper that an inch of blizzard might produce in the region. This causes long lines in the stores, which causes traffic jams in the parking lots, and effect that then ripples out to the roads. The only solution would be to create some sort of Federal Emergency Snow Supply Agenecy (FESSA) which could distribute, perhaps via helicopter or drone drop, these critical supplies to families throughout the region without necessitating those families venturing out into the tundra.


PN, you can't forget to include that NOVA is a bedroom community of a melting pot of humanity. Adding this to the mix, it's easy to extrapolate that anyone not living in the snow belt lacks proper Winter driving skills. To drive in a NOVA snowstorm you have to be insane, intoxicated or a taxi driver.

That said, you're dead on regarding the frenzy. As for me, my truck is loaded and I'm heading to my hunting camp to catch the last day of duck season and spend a weekend far far away from the imminent Richmond hysteria.
 
2013-01-25 12:00:40 PM  
Chicago cannot point and laugh this morning. We get some snow every frigging year, and it's like the entire city becomes amnesiacs between each snowfall.

Yeargh, that commute today....
 
2013-01-25 12:03:02 PM  
Cincinnati. MLK day, 2013. 1/4inch of snow. 1 dead, 27 injured. 96 cars wrecked.

Link

cmsimg.cincinnati.com
 
2013-01-25 12:07:47 PM  
sure haven't:
The biggest problem is no one pays attention. You'r driving a 3,000lb death machine. Pay attention.

Even if we just STARTED with everyone maintaining speed and using turn signals, the world would be such a better place.

/90 min round-trip commute
//I've had to turn it into a funny game in my head, or else I'd have been driven crazy by now


Add to your list the following:
Slower traffic goes in the RIGHT-HAND lane.  If you have people passing you on the right then you need to move over.
 
2013-01-25 12:07:53 PM  
I don't have a terribly long commute, and i think i have slight road rage issues, but other than that, I think i am a great driver. So here's the deal, i'm observant. i know what is going on in front and behind me. I pay attention to cars pulling up to intersections just to keep an eye in case they pull out. I use my signal, and i don't hover in the left lane.
My commute is down a 17 mile stretch of 2 lane road (route 218 in stafford/KG). It's fairly windy, but people commute down it every day, so you would think that they are used to the road. This sadly is not the case. This road was once 55, but has since been lowered to 45, and yet, some people still think that is too fast. So what happens is that you get some car leading the charge going about 40. You will have 10-12 cars piled up behind them and the lead car is either oblivious or an idiot. If they see people behind them who clearly want to go faster, pull over and let us pass. We're happy, and you're happy. I don't see why this is such a hard concept, yet it happens day in day out.

wow, that was a bunch of incoherent statements. I apologize.

//VA resident

[everyoneisnowdumber.jpg]
 
2013-01-25 12:09:29 PM  

Carn: CSB time

So I worked from home yesterday because snow + crazy inept drivers = problems, but I did have to venture out for lunch. I was just starting down the very large steep hill on the back side of my neighborhood and it was pretty slick with the packed down snow and this lady walks into the street about 30 feet in front of me and holds out her hand to stop me. I had to quickly tap the breaks and try to stop before hitting her and I managed not to run her over and just missed a van parked on the side of the road. Her husband had gotten them stuck because their rear wheel drive Lexus couldn't get up the same hill. After berating the lady and letting her know that you can't make a quick stop on an incline when the roads are like this, I tried to explain to them that if they backed all the way down the hill, they might be able to get enough momentum going to get the car back up. He didn't understand and backed his car into parking position on the other side of the street. I left. They're probably still there. They were Asian and obviously foreign so I felt pretty bad for them. Poor lady was distraught. And that's why I don't like to drive when there's snow and/or ice around here.

/CSB
//Midwest kid with a winter birthday. I was doing donuts on the snow in a parking lot with dad before I ever got my license.


Saw an Asian lady pull that same stunt in front of a tour bus so she could take a photo from the middle of the road. "'scuse prease"

Freezing rain yesterday caused hundreds of accidents here in northern Utah.
UT drivers are much like the folks in MA - bad weather? Speed up!
 
2013-01-25 12:11:21 PM  
Pet peeves:

4WD morons. Yes it helps with traction from an acceleration perspective but when it comes to braking all vehicles are created equally. 4WD WILL NOT HELP YOU STOP FASTER YOU DOLT!! It will also not help to overcome the physics behind centrifugal force. Although it is quite satisfying to drive past the 4WD moron in the ditch that passed you a mile back like a bat out of hell.

First snowfalls. This snow has all the properties and characteristics of the snow that fell in the region last year. They did not improve it and add to it magical traction capabilities. Slow the heck down. Why is it that people can remember inane items like the anniversary of the first time they met but they can't seem to recall things like snow is slippery? In other news, fire is hot.

Clean your damn windows. That 6" diameter circle you cleared off directly in front of the drivers seat is not sufficient for you to safely take a 2 ton machine out on the roads. If you want to die, fine, but leave the rest of us be.
 
2013-01-25 12:13:24 PM  
Man, why does an awesome city like D.C. have to be in such a dysfunctional part of America?
 
2013-01-25 12:15:01 PM  

farm machine: Pet peeves:

4WD morons. Yes it helps with traction from an acceleration perspective but when it comes to braking all vehicles are created equally. 4WD WILL NOT HELP YOU STOP FASTER YOU DOLT!! It will also not help to overcome the physics behind centrifugal force. Although it is quite satisfying to drive past the 4WD moron in the ditch that passed you a mile back like a bat out of hell.

First snowfalls. This snow has all the properties and characteristics of the snow that fell in the region last year. They did not improve it and add to it magical traction capabilities. Slow the heck down. Why is it that people can remember inane items like the anniversary of the first time they met but they can't seem to recall things like snow is slippery? In other news, fire is hot.

Clean your damn windows. That 6" diameter circle you cleared off directly in front of the drivers seat is not sufficient for you to safely take a 2 ton machine out on the roads. If you want to die, fine, but leave the rest of us be.


My favorite is they clear off the windows but don't brush it off the top of the car or back so as soon as they hit the road, whoever is driving behind them is blinded. Thanks a lot, asshole! Saw this a lot on my way back from IN to VA after the holidays on I70. Everybody had snow except VA but the roads were all fine.
 
2013-01-25 12:15:27 PM  

doyner: Pud: I grew up there, PN was spot on. The only thing he missed is the run on beer. If it's going to snow 100 miles away every Virginian is obligated to buy as much beer as they can, whether they drink or not. I think it's a law

In all seriousness, I think that the shiatty driving around here is because of the overwhelming diversity.  People come here from all over the nation (and the world for that matter), bringing their own driving norms to this highly-congested area.  There is no uniformity of habit; making everyone relatively unpredicatable.  There are enough no-snow-climate drivers here to seed gridlock and collisions to ensure that the first flake to fall from the sky will create mayhem amongst the flakes already behind the wheel.


I've noticed that people around here drive under the limit as though they have an outstanding warrant.
 
2013-01-25 12:20:57 PM  
you have pee hands
2013-01-25 11:00:12 AM
I once drove from the West Virginia border to the junction with I-70 on I-81, about 300 miles, without going over 62 mph once because Virginians drive at 62 mph in both lanes at all times.


The problem is that in this fantastic Commonwealth, misdemeanor "reckless driving" is: (a) anything over 80 mph; or (b) 20 mph over the speed limit. So, if the speed limit is 70 (as it is on some stretches of 81) or 75, you have no leeway at which to execute a pass quickly without instantaneous misdemeanor reckless driving. And yes, Virginia State police are ruthless and everywhere, especially on the interstates - it's often just not worth it. But the worst is when you have two trucks on the two lanes of I-81, one trying to pass the other, where the speed limit is 70 - so one is going 70 and one 72, and this continues for mile after mile after mile with all the rolling hills as they jockey for position. They love them some "rolling roadblocks" in VA.

What's especially annoying as fark is when you get the VA driver OUT of VA, and you're on the NJ Tpke, and they won't go over 74 for fear of "reckless driving" - it's an ingrained thing because of the reckless driving statute. And they sit in the left lane going 74 with miles of cars behind them, and think that the flashing of high beams is some sort of capital offense...

It also didn't help that a few years ago one of the members of the General Assembly (who happens to be a partner in a traffic-defense law firm) at one point mandated speeding tickets ONLY for in-state VA drivers that were thousands of dollars. Not that we'd let something like a blatant conflict of interest get in our way here in the South, of course... it's all about "safety." It eventually got struck down as unconstitutional since it only applied to instate drivers. BRILLIANT.

/CSB
//Hates driving in VA with the burning fury of a thousand angry suns.
 
2013-01-25 12:22:21 PM  

RoughTrickNamedJim: I have a doctor appointment in Newport News this afternoon. I live in Norfolk and have to go across the HRBT and it is expected to should start snowing right around then. I'm kind of dreading the drive. My snow driving experience is limited to one winter in New York and being from the south, I just tried to avoid driving in the snow if I could. MY car is AWD and has ABS. That helps me grip and stop straight (not shorter) but I'm a bit out of practice. Add in the craptastic driving style of most everyone in the Hampton Roads region and I'm sure it'll turn into a clusterfark shortly.


The HRBT is always a clusterfark. Even on a bright and sunny day. It's not unusual for there to be a bumper to bumper backup 3+ miles from the tunnel in both directions. Be careful and keep your distance still.
 
2013-01-25 12:23:05 PM  

LazerFish: I live close to a ski resort in WV, we get a lot of tourists from all over the country. You constantly see these expensive looking out of state SUVs stuck in a ditch and a rusty old wv pickup pulling them out. VA drivers are bad, but not compared to those folks who come from those flat states with nothing but straight roads.


Pocahontas Co. person, are ye?

Western Kanawha Co., myself. Wish I lived in the mountains.
 
2013-01-25 12:23:12 PM  
I'll give them this much: driving on snow is one thing, but driving on ice - just throw out the rulebook.
 
2013-01-25 12:23:20 PM  
Northern Virginia? Try southwestern Virginia too.

"All of these." Even PN's post, apparently.

Luckily, Roanokers are pussies when it comes to snow, so after they grab the winter French toast supplies, they hunker down and leave the roads pretty empty. Which is fine by me.
 
2013-01-25 12:24:39 PM  
FTFA "We're almost on the freeze line. Up north in the snowbelt, once it snows, it doesn't melt and refreeze. We have things folks driving in the northern climates don't have, like black ice."

Okay, not only are you a lousy driver, you have no clue about the world around you.

But seriously, you should all recognize that tires make a HUGE difference in the ability to manage weather conditions. When you put a good all season on your vehicle you will be amazed at the difference. The downside is, everyone else is too damn slow and need to get our of your way.
 
2013-01-25 12:26:06 PM  
I've seen enough threads on the internet about Va. police and traffic fines to know that it's probably a product of people afraid of losing their home for doing +2 over the limit. Everyone's driving around like it's a game of russian roulette.
 
2013-01-25 12:26:42 PM  

tricycleracer: Man, why does an awesome city like D.C. have to be in such a dysfunctional part of America?


When it was built, the region wasn't so dysfunctional at all. That came later,
 
2013-01-25 12:27:31 PM  

BadEvilYoda: you have pee hands
2013-01-25 11:00:12 AM
I once drove from the West Virginia border to the junction with I-70 on I-81, about 300 miles, without going over 62 mph once because Virginians drive at 62 mph in both lanes at all times.

The problem is that in this fantastic Commonwealth, misdemeanor "reckless driving" is: (a) anything over 80 mph; or (b) 20 mph over the speed limit. So, if the speed limit is 70 (as it is on some stretches of 81) or 75, you have no leeway at which to execute a pass quickly without instantaneous misdemeanor reckless driving. And yes, Virginia State police are ruthless and everywhere, especially on the interstates - it's often just not worth it. But the worst is when you have two trucks on the two lanes of I-81, one trying to pass the other, where the speed limit is 70 - so one is going 70 and one 72, and this continues for mile after mile after mile with all the rolling hills as they jockey for position. They love them some "rolling roadblocks" in VA.

What's especially annoying as fark is when you get the VA driver OUT of VA, and you're on the NJ Tpke, and they won't go over 74 for fear of "reckless driving" - it's an ingrained thing because of the reckless driving statute. And they sit in the left lane going 74 with miles of cars behind them, and think that the flashing of high beams is some sort of capital offense...

It also didn't help that a few years ago one of the members of the General Assembly (who happens to be a partner in a traffic-defense law firm) at one point mandated speeding tickets ONLY for in-state VA drivers that were thousands of dollars. Not that we'd let something like a blatant conflict of interest get in our way here in the South, of course... it's all about "safety." It eventually got struck down as unconstitutional since it only applied to instate drivers. BRILLIANT.

/CSB
//Hates driving in VA with the burning fury of a thousand angry suns.


Maryland is worse and i will say that until the day that i die.

74 is not ingrained in my brain. I go 74 or higher. I typically go with the flow of traffic. If it is moving too fast for me, then i get over to another lane. The last thing i want to see is a buildup of cars behind me b/c that indicates i am not going fast enough for that lane on that road. Maybe i'm one of the exceptions for va drivers?
 
2013-01-25 12:32:02 PM  
Fano:

I've noticed that people around here drive under the limit as though they have an outstanding warrant.

There are many immigrants here, and many of those are illegal. I see old Tercels and Mazda 606s packed like clown cars going 2-5 under every single day. I'm often stuck behind a herd of them.  Contrast that with the Mercedes/BMW/Lexus driver swooping around at 115 and its no surprise the roadways are always a poorly timed tap on the brakes away from an epic disaster.
 
2013-01-25 12:34:22 PM  
I used to live in VA for a long time (I now live in PA) but I had a theory about the Norfolk/VA Beach driving situation. Where ever you go in the country there is a driving style. People might drive fast, they might drive cautiously, etc, etc. Well the Hampton Roads area is very transient and have people from all over the country living there because of the military and therefore you have driving styles from all over the country all forced into one area that has way too many people for its road system and is separated by four tunnels so you have what is called a "traffic nightmare".

Also: OMG SNOW!!!!!!
 
2013-01-25 12:37:34 PM  

Fano: I've noticed that people around here drive under the limit as though they have an outstanding warrant.


That's because they do.
 
2013-01-25 12:38:17 PM  
It's true though. They can't drive worth shiat.

/Grew up in Yorktown.
//The rare snowfall of 6 inches would usually get us out of school for about a week.
 
2013-01-25 12:41:20 PM  
I think people are stupider/more distracted, cars are a little better, and tires are fantastically better for their designed conditions. If any of those are too out of whack, likelihood for bad things increases a lot. It seems few take driving seriously anymore.
 
2013-01-25 12:42:14 PM  
Traffic in the DC metro area is bad enough even on a good day. Too much sprawl, two states and the district ever bickering over funding, NIMBYs with far too much money stopping projects...

Then add in a CONSTANTLY changing population, people coming and going every few years. From all over the country... nay, all over the world.

Then put the area right on the line between 'stereotypical snowy white winter' and 'dreary rainy winter' when even an inch of snow is uncommon.

A right fark up every damned tmie.
 
2013-01-25 12:43:31 PM  
Don't feel bad....most people in Toronto can't drive in the snow either.
 
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