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namatad		2013-01-25 11:24:20 AM

Weaver95: do ALL of the above, and i'll believe you give a damn about the rape victim. Don't do it, or weasel dick your way out of it, and I'll know you're a religious moron who hasn't thought the issue through.

clearly the women were asking to be raped. good, non-raped women stay home, waiting for their husband where it is safe

Their was a "fresh air" segment about 5 years ago. Minister was talking about why he supported the DEMS after being a GOP for most of his life. He pointed out that the DEMS did things to REDUCE the number of abortions.
Sex education = less unplanned pregnancies.
Free birth control = less unplanned pregnancies.
Welfare = method to help single women raise a child on their own.
better education of poor people = less unplanned pregnancies.
better work/job opportunities

well you get the picture.
the minister was quite outspoken about how these basic things did more to reduce abortion than what the GOP was doing.

So why are all these anti-choice people still voting GOP? Oh wait, sex is EVIL.
farkem

/csb

BalugaJoe		2013-01-25 11:24:27 AM

Christian fundamentalists are worse than Al-Queda.

jst3p		2013-01-25 11:24:35 AM

david_gaithersburg: what_now: david_gaithersburg: Oh, love the red banner at the top of the article. Can someone please explain why Obam isn't sitting in jail?

Obam? Do you mean President Obama? He's not in jail because he hasn't broken and laws.

Did you mean the Scottish County of Oban? Now while I don't agree with wars of resources, we could make an exception for them...

.
He should be brought before a court of law for a judge to decide if any laws have been broken. I can think of at lease twenty laws off the top of my head that he appears to have violated. One of them is in that big red headline.

Well, before anyone is brought before a judge someone has to charge him because they think he may have broken laws. Can you specifically name three of the 20 you can think of off the top of your head?

Difficulty: Presidenting while black is not a crime.

Weaver95		2013-01-25 11:24:56 AM

what_now: Yeah, keep defending a law to make rape victims felons. That won't backfire AT ALL.

it's like the GOP refuses to understand the consequences of laws like this one would have for rape victims. it's bizarre.

namatad		2013-01-25 11:24:58 AM

macadamnut: Sounds like somebody's daughter is a little late this month.

and uncle bob has been looking nervous again

what_now		2013-01-25 11:25:33 AM

jst3p		2013-01-25 11:25:52 AM

DGS: david_gaithersburg: DGS: david_gaithersburg: So-called-progressives, doing their part to keep down the national reading level.

What does this even mean?

.
So you support victims of sexual abuse being forced by their abusers to have an abortion?

The bill is not needed, but the outrage is manufactured.

Nice! I ask you what it is you even mean and you're already positioning me!

It is easier to argue with things he pretended someone said than anything they actually say.

Smelly Pirate Hooker		2013-01-25 11:26:02 AM

It's what I've come to expect from the Legitimate Rape Party.

So, carry on, assholes. I like it when you make public statements that make it absolutely clear nobody with a brain should vote for you. Makes it easier to remember at election time.

Another entry for my Assholish Things Republicans Have Said and Who Said Them spreadsheet.

namatad		2013-01-25 11:26:17 AM

what_now: Yeah, keep defending a law to make rape victims felons. That won't backfire AT ALL.

WHY are we having so much trouble attracting women and young people to the GOP?
I am so confused. We are clearly the moral party!!!

/LOL

Evil Mackerel		2013-01-25 11:26:56 AM

GAT_00: Yeah, "clarify." You mean you got caught. It's your bill, don't tell me you didn't know what was in it.

She didn't , these aren't even her pants.

Weaver95		2013-01-25 11:27:25 AM

BalugaJoe: Christian fundamentalists are worse than Al-Queda.

actually, they're about the same level of thuggery, at least when it comes to social issues and controls on society. its just that one side worships Allah and the other side worships a different flavor of Allah.

yanoosh		2013-01-25 11:28:15 AM

Can you say Crawdaddy

DGS		2013-01-25 11:28:29 AM

jst3p: DGS: david_gaithersburg: DGS: david_gaithersburg: So-called-progressives, doing their part to keep down the national reading level.

What does this even mean?

.
So you support victims of sexual abuse being forced by their abusers to have an abortion?

The bill is not needed, but the outrage is manufactured.

Nice! I ask you what it is you even mean and you're already positioning me!

It is easier to argue with things he pretended someone said than anything they actually say.

Too true. I begin to think Orly Taitz is his personal heroine.. a true patriot that is just misunderstood.

PsiChick		2013-01-25 11:28:58 AM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: The bill's language states that the crime "shall include procuring or facilitating an abortion, or compelling or coercing another to obtain an abortion of a fetus that is the result of criminal sexual penetration or incest with the intent to destroy evidence of the crime."

Although the clause regarding intent would seem to preclude rape victims from being charged, several critics read the bill as possibly including them. Brown said she will clarify the language to remove any ambiguity.

Kind of looks like a non-story to me.

But go ahead with the outrage.

Because Fox News can't actually report worth shiat. What actually happened is that, in a bill titled basically 'ACT ABOUT RAPE AND INCEST VICTIMS' (don't remember the exact language--the thread should still be available in the Politics tab for everyone, and someone found a linky to the PDF, but it actually said 'rape and incest victims', that one I am not paraphrasing in the slightest), the woman said in legal jargon that it was illegal to give an abortion to a woman who was pregnant because the baby (not fetus) is evidence.

You can legalize DNA-testing aborted fetuses. Or you can claim a human baby is evidence in a rape case, and since court cases take more than nine months...

Spanky_McFarksalot		2013-01-25 11:29:17 AM

Republican plan:

Propose law: Death penalty for anyone who isn't a white christian
Public: This is an outrage!
Politician: No no, let me clarify, what I meant was free American flags for everyone. Damn liberal media

vpb		2013-01-25 11:29:26 AM

david_gaithersburg: DGS: david_gaithersburg: So-called-progressives, doing their part to keep down the national reading level.

What does this even mean?

.
So you support victims of sexual abuse being forced by their abusers to have an abortion?

The bill is not needed, but the outrage is manufactured.

No, but your spin is manufactured.Sin_City_Superhero: I thought that women can't get preggers from teh rape.

No, but if she gets an abortion then she is destroying evidence that she wanted it.

Andrew Wiggin		2013-01-25 11:29:45 AM

what_now: david_gaithersburg: what_now: david_gaithersburg: Oh, love the red banner at the top of the article. Can someone please explain why Obam isn't sitting in jail?

Obam? Do you mean President Obama? He's not in jail because he hasn't broken and laws.

Did you mean the Scottish County of Oban? Now while I don't agree with wars of resources, we could make an exception for them...

.
He should be brought before a court of law for a judge to decide if any laws have been broken. I can think of at lease twenty laws off the top of my head that he appears to have violated. One of them is in that big red headline.

...are you having a stroke?

www.bitcandy.com

namatad		2013-01-25 11:30:09 AM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: She should. The law was badly written. And also a fight she probably didn't need to pick at this time.

So she resign her office right? Clearly she is unqualified to write bills and is a clear and present danger to society. Wait, she thinks she is right and just needs to reword the bill? ROFL

Isnt it ALREADY illegal to force someone to have an abortion against their will?
Pretty certain that abortion is a WOMAN'S choice and all she has to do is say no. Right??
Wouldnt that make the abortion doctor a murderer if he aborted against her will??

no new laws!! enforce current laws!!

paygun		2013-01-25 11:30:14 AM

Sound like common sense abortion control. Why do you need an abortion?

Earpj		2013-01-25 11:30:54 AM

Andrew Wiggin:
pro lifers only care about a 'baby' until it's actually born.

That's how it seems to me. After birth, you're on your own. Don't you dare ask for help.

keylock71		2013-01-25 11:31:06 AM

Weaver95: what_now: Yeah, keep defending a law to make rape victims felons. That won't backfire AT ALL.

it's like the GOP refuses to understand the consequences of laws like this one would have for rape victims. it's bizarre.

It's curious... If these people were just cynical opportunists, they would have seen the results of the last presidential election as a clear indication they need to change their policies and "core beliefs" to better attract voters.

But, the actions and words coming from the GOP in recent weeks seem to be indicating these people are true believers.

It really seems these assholes don't disagree with the fundamentalist nonsense being spewed by their more vocal members, they just object to them actually saying it in public.

How anyone with half a brain can remain part of a party like that or vote for these regressive morons is beyond me...

tnpir		2013-01-25 11:31:15 AM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Tomorrow's headline: That New Mexico Republican who wanted to make rape victims felons if they had an abortion would like you to know she's interested in "clarifying" her language AGAIN because now all the "Small government" teabaggers are threatening to primary her out in favor of an armadillo that goes into "terror ball mode" whenever it sees a person darker than a cafe latte.

And in New Mexico, that's pretty much everyone.

/New Mexican family

Superjew		2013-01-25 11:31:28 AM

Keep clarifying how much you hate rape victims, GOP. It's totally working for you. Don't listen to the dum libz, they're just out to bring you down.

Gentoolive		2013-01-25 11:32:11 AM

What's the difference in killing them outside the womb or inside. Dead baby either way.

OooShiny		2013-01-25 11:32:15 AM

Why not force rape victims to marry the rapists, thereby preserving evidence until death do they part.

Speaking of...tell me again, please; how exactly is fundy Christianology any different than fundy Islam?

Kibbler		2013-01-25 11:33:13 AM

Weaver95: I really don't understand this bizarre obsession the pro-life crowd has with punishing rape victims. being forced to carry the product of rape full term has to be pretty damaging, not just mentally but financially. look - I get the 'whole life is sacred' thing, I really do. But here's the deal....if you want to force a woman to carry a rape baby full term, then do the following:

1. pay the rape victims medical costs. ALL of 'em. from psych counseling to pre-natal care up through medical expenses incurred during and immediately after giving birth.
2. help put the kid up for adoption, even if the kid is 'special needs' or has medical issues. you wanted 'em born, you pay for 'em.
3. make it a law that rape victims *cannot* be fired under any circumstances while carrying the rape baby to term, oh and you are going to give their significant other (or person they designate) the same level of protection. they'll need support, and you are going to damn well make sure they get it.
4. if they decide to keep the rape baby, then you pay the woman a stipend over and above food stamps that you WILL make sure she gets...this was about as unplanned a pregnancy as unplanned can get and you WILL make sure to help her with all her unexpected/unplanned for expenses during her first year with her new child.
5. her rapist pays child support. yes, I realize that's probably something like...20 cents or something...but it's the thought that counts.

do ALL of the above, and i'll believe you give a damn about the rape victim. Don't do it, or weasel dick your way out of it, and I'll know you're a religious moron who hasn't thought the issue through.

It's because they believe that, in roughly 100% of the cases (give or take 0%), when a woman claims rape, she's lying.

cubic_spleen		2013-01-25 11:33:15 AM

Republicans hate abortion because every aborted baby is one that won't grow up to be a soldier who will die fighting overseas for corporate profits. That is all Republicans are about. And for the Republicans who are also hardcore conservative evangelical Christians (i.e., all of them), poor people dying in the pursuit of rich people's monetary gain is the only way for poor people to get to heaven.

/all Republicans are really like this. The ones that say otherwise are in denial, or lying.

Smeggy Smurf		2013-01-25 11:33:25 AM

Darth_Lukecash: jehovahs witness protection: This and the anti-gay shiat pisses me off. I'm one of the few pro choice, pro gay marriage, atheist conservatives out there. DAMMIT!

You are in the wrong party.

Abandon it.

The Rapeublican party has left many people behind. The choices are either to go to the fascists or the Libertarians. I would not be surprised one bit to see the ranks of the Libertarians start to swell.

namatad		2013-01-25 11:33:30 AM

Evil Mackerel: GAT_00: Yeah, "clarify." You mean you got caught. It's your bill, don't tell me you didn't know what was in it.

She didn't , these aren't even her pants.

when was the last time that the GOP read one their own bills? wrote their own bills?
not saying that the DEMS are any better, but you cant use that defense when the bill is a POS

Smelly Pirate Hooker		2013-01-25 11:33:34 AM

Weaver95: what_now: Yeah, keep defending a law to make rape victims felons. That won't backfire AT ALL.

it's like the GOP refuses to understand the consequences of laws like this one would have for rape victims. it's bizarre.

No, they understand it very well. Since they can't get it outlawed everywhere, they just make it as difficult as possible to obtain legally. They make it onerous for doctors to provide.

If they can't get actual elimination of abortion, they'll settle for virtual elimination of it by restricting it as much as possible.

They don't care about rape victims. I'm convinced most of them believe there aren't that many rape victims to worry about. Not surprisingly, they often have the same retrograde beliefs about sex crimes as they do about sex in general.

gryf		2013-01-25 11:34:05 AM

Scumbucket got caught. Hands off other people's pipes and such, please, Lady Scumbucket.

Quinzy		2013-01-25 11:35:15 AM

jehovahs witness protection: This and the anti-gay shiat pisses me off. I'm one of the few pro choice, pro gay marriage, atheist conservatives out there. DAMMIT!

I am also.

Thisbymaster		2013-01-25 11:35:31 AM

Did anyone else read the while article? This would have made it another charge to force someone to get an abortion to try to cover up a crime that already happened. So this didn't create new crime at all but no one else here can get over the foaming at the mouth that seems to happen when someone talks about rape.

Mugato		2013-01-25 11:35:35 AM

Weaver95: If this sounds like I'm supporting pro-life people, I'm not, I'm just saying forcing the woman to keep the rape baby is consistent with what they claim to believe. I hope that came across correctly.

sure, but it's not very logical. you can't say 'all life is sacred' then turn around and do NOTHING to help that life grow and become meaningful. you might as well give birth and then abandon the kid on a barren windswept mountain top. that's also logically consistent with the pro-life view.

They can claim to hold all life sacred (unless it conflicts with our nation's interests or is convicted of a capital crime) but that doesn't mean they feel they have to take care of the little bastard. Again, I'm not defending them, I'm just trying to explain their "logic".

clambam		2013-01-25 11:35:48 AM

Repubs--even their women are in favor of rape.

They're creepy and they're kooky
Mysterious and spooky
They're altogether ooky
...the REPUBS!

namatad		2013-01-25 11:35:57 AM

Earpj: Andrew Wiggin:
pro lifers only care about a 'baby' until it's actually born.

That's how it seems to me. After birth, you're on your own. Don't you dare ask for help.

THEY are NOT pro-life. it is a bullshiat label. THEY are anti-abortion. THEY are pro control-women.
But those labels dont score as well as pro-life!!

/if only they were pro-compassion.

keylock71		2013-01-25 11:36:30 AM

jst3p: You should audit an 8th grade civics class sometime.

Whoa there... He's got to get out of the Fourth Grade before he can do that. Baby step, man. Baby steps.

Mudd's woman		2013-01-25 11:36:31 AM

Mugato: Weaver95: I really don't understand this bizarre obsession the pro-life crowd has with punishing rape victims. being forced to carry the product of rape full term has to be pretty damaging, not just mentally but financially.

I'm pro-choice (meaning I don't really care but I don't think a woman should be made to have a kid she doesn't want) but if you're a religious fanatic who believes that life begins when the guy nuts inside a woman and that all life is sacred (none of them believe that one), believing that a woman should carry a rape baby is at least internally consistent with their twisted viewpoint. It's not the kid's fault what the terms were under which he was conceived.

If this sounds like I'm supporting pro-life people, I'm not, I'm just saying forcing the woman to keep the rape baby is consistent with what they claim to believe. I hope that came across correctly.

Agreed. So many of those fundie anti-choice derpers cling to -- and try to inflict -- the "all life is sacred" tenet and THEN say "But we will permit exceptions in the cases of rape and incest."

They don't even see the stupidity in maintaining both assertions.

CapeFearCadaver		2013-01-25 11:36:40 AM

Weaver95: I really don't understand this bizarre obsession the pro-life crowd has with punishing rape victims.

Well, they're women... right?

cefm		2013-01-25 11:37:04 AM

Nope, I don't think we need any "clarification" to understand you just fine.

BeesNuts		2013-01-25 11:37:16 AM

GAT_00: Yeah, "clarify." You mean you got caught. It's your bill, don't tell me you didn't know what was in it.

At least Feinstein *owns* her crap nugget. I swing back and forth on whether she's brilliantly falling on her sword to prove once and for all that the democrats don't want to take your guns, or if she's still that fanatical about it and this isn't theater at all. But she put that bill out there knowing that she was going to be torn apart for weeks in the press, and when she started getting torn apart in the press she didn't back away from the bill.

Courage is a weird thing.

DGS		2013-01-25 11:38:22 AM

namatad: Earpj: Andrew Wiggin:
pro lifers only care about a 'baby' until it's actually born.

That's how it seems to me. After birth, you're on your own. Don't you dare ask for help.

THEY are NOT pro-life. it is a bullshiat label. THEY are anti-abortion. THEY are pro control-women.
But those labels dont score as well as pro-life!!

/if only they were pro-compassion.

+eleventy you.

SkinnyHead		2013-01-25 11:39:56 AM

PsiChick: Because Fox News can't actually report worth shiat. What actually happened is that, in a bill titled basically 'ACT ABOUT RAPE AND INCEST VICTIMS' (don't remember the exact language--the thread should still be available in the Politics tab for everyone, and someone found a linky to the PDF, but it actually said 'rape and incest victims', that one I am not paraphrasing in the slightest), the woman said in legal jargon that it was illegal to give an abortion to a woman who was pregnant because the baby (not fetus) is evidence.

The title of the bill was "AN ACT RELATING TO CRIMINAL LAW; SPECIFYING PROCURING OF AN ABORTION AS TAMPERING WITH EVIDENCE IN CASES OF CRIMINAL SEXUAL PENETRATION OR INCEST."

WTF Indeed		2013-01-25 11:40:06 AM

Such a typical woman, one minute she wants raped women to carry their child the next she's not about that anymore. Broads, amirite?!

DGS		2013-01-25 11:40:26 AM

david_gaithersburg: Can you provide a link to a story about "New Mexico republicans and their attempt to punish rape victims"? I'm reading a story about so-called-progressives manufacturing outrage over Republicans trying to punish the abusers of rape victims.

/Why are you pro rape?

True or false. If this bill was made into law, a woman that sought an abortion after being raped would be potentially hit with a third degree felony charge.

/heh, no, I don't actually expect you to answer. You just want people to play defense while you make absurd accusations.
//why are you pro government control?

jumac		2013-01-25 11:41:13 AM

Weaver95: david_gaithersburg: .
So you support victims of sexual abuse being forced by their abusers to have an abortion?

how often does that even happen? because i'm thinking it's gotta be pretty damn rare. also, a live fetus and a dead one both have DNA evidence, right? so can't you just use the dead fetus as your evidence anyway?

then the question becomes how long do abortion places keep the fetus. I would guess most people forced to do this are told to say it was form one night stand or such and that they don't know who the father is. In other words the place doing the abortion don't know what really on. I think this law was ment to be more of ok if we find out daddy is rapping his little girl then makes her get a abortion to cover it up. Hes going be charged with more then the rape charges.

FizixJunkee		2013-01-25 11:41:31 AM

I'm surprised that this came from a New Mexico representative. Arizona? Yes. New Mexico? not so much.

I'm totally not surprised this came from a Republican, though.

clowncar on fire		2013-01-25 11:41:34 AM

Drewdad: Rapeublican.

Care to cite where republicans are pro-rape or has this become such a repeated lie around these parts that's its accepted as truth.

I'm not saying the GOP hasn't made a few boneheaded comments regarding the topic of rape but I'm having trouble finding a source where rape has specifically been mentioned as part of their agenda.

sonorangal		2013-01-25 11:41:45 AM

alywa: The GOP has a fundie problem that doesn't appear to be going away anytime soon. Just like Militant Islam is bad for all Muslims, rabid "conservatism" (ie anti-abortion in all cases, pro NRA in all cases, anti-environment, anti-science, anti-gay) is bad for everyone who wants smaller government and more individual freedoms.

Face it GOP... your current party is made up predominantly of fascists and Dominionists. For every rational "fiscal" conservative there are 2 ignorant farksticks like this woman who are making you all look bad. Plus, they are noisy, making the problem worse. You can blame the "liberal" media all you want, but look in the mirror. It's you that keep voting these lunatics into office.

I'm sure as hell not voting for anyone I've seen recently who has an R after their name. It isn't just an image problem, it's the fact that for the most part your party is so farking wrong about so many different subjects. Most of these areas really aren't even up for debate... there is little nuance in believing rape victims should be force to carry to term their "gift from God". It is just wrong, period.

The results of when dumb people vote for dumb candidates who come up with dumb laws. This type of candidate, regardless of party although favors the GOP lately, gets voted in because the groups that support them know most people will not vote in local/state elections. With a little organization in reaching out to the elderly, taking mail in ballots to the court house, and their supporters they are all but a shoo in to get elected. The way to get rid of them is the rest of us need to vote in our local/state elections more. I am seeing this in my state where the elephants and fundies have taken over the state government and made us a laughing stock.