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(Fox News)   That New Mexico Republican who wanted to make rape victims felons if they had an abortion would like you to know she's interested in "clarifying" her language   (foxnews.com) divider line 392
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2013-01-25 09:26:50 AM
Why do people who will never have sex again spend so much time thinking about it?
 
2013-01-25 09:34:15 AM
Gee you think?
 
2013-01-25 09:36:30 AM
Paraphrase of "I'm a dim bint that wants to be re-elected so I won't have to work for a living."
 
2013-01-25 09:42:13 AM
she's a coont.  I don't think I can be any more clear than that.
 
2013-01-25 09:45:03 AM

ManateeGag: she's a coont.  I don't think I can be any more clear than that.


She's an elected coont. And that makes it worse.
 
2013-01-25 09:48:32 AM
The GOP has a fundie problem that doesn't appear to be going away anytime soon. Just like Militant Islam is bad for all Muslims, rabid "conservatism" (ie anti-abortion in all cases, pro NRA in all cases, anti-environment, anti-science, anti-gay) is bad for everyone who wants smaller government and more individual freedoms.

Face it GOP... your current party is made up predominantly of fascists and Dominionists. For every rational "fiscal" conservative there are 2 ignorant farksticks like this woman who are making you all look bad. Plus, they are noisy, making the problem worse. You can blame the "liberal" media all you want, but look in the mirror. It's you that keep voting these lunatics into office.

I'm sure as hell not voting for anyone I've seen recently who has an R after their name. It isn't just an image problem, it's the fact that for the most part your party is so farking wrong about so many different subjects. Most of these areas really aren't even up for debate... there is little nuance in believing rape victims should be force to carry to term their "gift from God". It is just wrong, period.
 
2013-01-25 10:03:54 AM

syrynxx: Why do people who will never have sex again spend so much time thinking about it?


They're mad that other people are having all the fun. And they want to stop those other people from having any fun AT ALL COSTS.
 
2013-01-25 10:27:01 AM
Rep. Cathrynn Brown, a Republican from Carlsbad, said Thursday she will revise the bill, which she said was intended to target perpetrators of rape or incest who try to cover their tracks by forcing their victims to have abortions.

...and how often does this sort of thing happen?  I mean if she wants to pass a law about it, it's gotta be happening like...what?  three/four/200 times a day?  enough that this legislator sees incest victims being FORCED into abortions often enough to sit down and write a law about it anyways.  which implies some rather disturbing things about New Mexico.

Another point - a live fetus and a dead one both contain DNA evidence.  DNA doesn't just evaporate after an abortion.  i'm sure that if you really needed evidence of incest (or rape I suppose) wouldn't it be more efficient to say that the remains of the fetus could be frozen and used for evidence as well?  why does the law force a rape victim to carry the rape baby to term?  that seems pretty cruel to me.
 
2013-01-25 10:27:24 AM
So it's not just the GOP men who are obsessed with rape. That's good to know. The GOP are equal opportunity rape-obsessed psychopaths.
 
2013-01-25 10:31:00 AM
Yeah, "clarify."  You mean you got caught.  It's your bill, don't tell me you didn't know what was in it.
 
2013-01-25 10:37:58 AM
I really don't understand this bizarre obsession the pro-life crowd has with punishing rape victims.  being forced to carry the product of rape full term has to be pretty damaging, not just mentally but financially.  look - I get the 'whole life is sacred' thing, I really do.  But here's the deal....if you want to force a woman to carry a rape baby full term, then do the following:

1. pay the rape victims medical costs.  ALL of 'em.  from psych counseling to pre-natal care up through medical expenses incurred during and immediately after giving birth.
2. help put the kid up for adoption, even if the kid is 'special needs' or has medical issues.  you wanted 'em born, you pay for 'em.
3. make it a law that rape victims *cannot* be fired under any circumstances while carrying the rape baby to term, oh and you are going to give their significant other (or person they designate) the same level of protection.  they'll need support, and you are going to damn well make sure they get it.
4. if they decide to keep the rape baby, then you pay the woman a stipend over and above food stamps that you WILL make sure she gets...this was about as unplanned a pregnancy as unplanned can get and you WILL make sure to help her with all her unexpected/unplanned for expenses during her first year with her new child.
5. her rapist pays child support.  yes, I realize that's probably something like...20 cents or something...but it's the thought that counts.

do ALL of the above, and i'll believe you give a damn about the rape victim.  Don't do it, or weasel dick your way out of it, and I'll know you're a religious moron who hasn't thought the issue through.
 
2013-01-25 10:38:37 AM
As I noted last night, just get to bottom line: legalize rape and incest, outlaw abortion. It's quick and simple and meets all the requirements Republicans want.
 
2013-01-25 10:39:10 AM

GAT_00: Yeah, "clarify."  You mean you got caught.  It's your bill, don't tell me you didn't know what was in it.


In all fairness I'm sure it was written by some organization with the word "family" in its name.
 
2013-01-25 10:57:28 AM
DRTFA, but is this an "I'm sorry you got offended" apology?
 
2013-01-25 10:57:47 AM
This and the anti-gay shiat pisses me off. I'm one of the few pro choice, pro gay marriage, atheist conservatives out there. DAMMIT!
 
2013-01-25 11:01:34 AM

doyner: GAT_00: Yeah, "clarify."  You mean you got caught.  It's your bill, don't tell me you didn't know what was in it.

In all fairness I'm sure it was written by some organization with the word "family" in its name.


Actually, I'd bet ALEC wrote it.
 
2013-01-25 11:03:38 AM

Weaver95: I really don't understand this bizarre obsession the pro-life crowd has with punishing rape victims. being forced to carry the product of rape full term has to be pretty damaging, not just mentally but financially.


I'm pro-choice (meaning I don't really care but I don't think a woman should be made to have a kid she doesn't want) but if you're a religious fanatic who believes that life begins when the guy nuts inside a woman and that all life is sacred (none of them believe that one), believing that a woman should carry a rape baby is at least internally consistent with their twisted viewpoint. It's not the kid's fault what the terms were under which he was conceived.

If this sounds like I'm supporting pro-life people, I'm not, I'm just saying forcing the woman to keep the rape baby is consistent with what they claim to believe. I hope that came across correctly.
 
2013-01-25 11:06:47 AM

Mugato: Weaver95: I really don't understand this bizarre obsession the pro-life crowd has with punishing rape victims. being forced to carry the product of rape full term has to be pretty damaging, not just mentally but financially.

I'm pro-choice (meaning I don't really care but I don't think a woman should be made to have a kid she doesn't want) but if you're a religious fanatic who believes that life begins when the guy nuts inside a woman and that all life is sacred (none of them believe that one), believing that a woman should carry a rape baby is at least internally consistent with their twisted viewpoint. It's not the kid's fault what the terms were under which he was conceived.

If this sounds like I'm supporting pro-life people, I'm not, I'm just saying forcing the woman to keep the rape baby is consistent with what they claim to believe. I hope that came across correctly.


sure, but it's not very logical.  you can't say 'all life is sacred' then turn around and do NOTHING to help that life grow and become meaningful.  you might as well give birth and then abandon the kid on a barren windswept mountain top.  that's also logically consistent with the pro-life view.
 
2013-01-25 11:08:19 AM
She should. The law was badly written. And also a fight she probably didn't need to pick at this time.
 
2013-01-25 11:08:35 AM
Sorry... what we meant to say was that anyone who has an abortion or participates in any procedure that might cause harm or discomfort to a fetus should be summarily executed.

We apologize for any confusion.

Love,
The GOP
 
2013-01-25 11:09:33 AM
Tomorrow's headline: That New Mexico Republican who wanted to make rape victims felons if they had an abortion would like you to know she's interested in "clarifying" her language AGAIN because now all the "Small government" teabaggers are threatening to primary her out in favor of an armadillo that goes into "terror ball mode" whenever it sees a person darker than a cafe latte.
 
2013-01-25 11:09:53 AM
Rapeublican.
 
2013-01-25 11:10:07 AM
I fully believe that Scumbag Steve the chairman of the RNC.
 
2013-01-25 11:10:11 AM
But yeah, there's no war on women. We're just being "over sensitive".
 
2013-01-25 11:10:26 AM
That poor, poor chicken. I guess maybe Republicans just don't care anymore since they are going to game the electoral college in such a way they can hardly ever lose.
 
2013-01-25 11:10:58 AM
So-called-progressives, doing their part to keep down the national reading level.
 
2013-01-25 11:12:26 AM
Oh, love the red banner at the top of the article. Can someone please explain why Obam isn't sitting in jail?
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2013-01-25 11:13:38 AM

david_gaithersburg: So-called-progressives, doing their part to keep down the national reading level.


What does this even mean?
 
2013-01-25 11:14:15 AM
latimesblogs.latimes.com
the GOP would be a much more appealing party if they would just shut up and try and run the country instead of leading from a pulpit.
 
2013-01-25 11:15:14 AM
The bill's language states that the crime "shall include procuring or facilitating an abortion, or compelling or coercing another to obtain an abortion of a fetus that is the result of criminal sexual penetration or incest with the intent to destroy evidence of the crime."

Although the clause regarding intent would seem to preclude rape victims from being charged, several critics read the bill as possibly including them. Brown said she will clarify the language to remove any ambiguity.



Kind of looks like a non-story to me.

But go ahead with the outrage.
 
2013-01-25 11:16:18 AM

alywa: The GOP has a fundie problem that doesn't appear to be going away anytime soon. Just like Militant Islam is bad for all Muslims, rabid "conservatism" (ie anti-abortion in all cases, pro NRA in all cases, anti-environment, anti-science, anti-gay) is bad for everyone who wants smaller government and more individual freedoms.

Face it GOP... your current party is made up predominantly of fascists and Dominionists. For every rational "fiscal" conservative there are 2 ignorant farksticks like this woman who are making you all look bad. Plus, they are noisy, making the problem worse. You can blame the "liberal" media all you want, but look in the mirror. It's you that keep voting these lunatics into office.

I'm sure as hell not voting for anyone I've seen recently who has an R after their name. It isn't just an image problem, it's the fact that for the most part your party is so farking wrong about so many different subjects. Most of these areas really aren't even up for debate... there is little nuance in believing rape victims should be force to carry to term their "gift from God". It is just wrong, period.


Dude, where are the sparkly, crying eagless and the cries to take back America for the Real Americans? I'm disappointed.

/no, seriously, I couldn't agree more
 
2013-01-25 11:17:01 AM

DGS: david_gaithersburg: So-called-progressives, doing their part to keep down the national reading level.

What does this even mean?


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So you support victims of sexual abuse being forced by their abusers to have an abortion?

The bill is not needed, but the outrage is manufactured.
 
2013-01-25 11:17:05 AM
Pretty typical politician, open your food hole without thinking and then backtracking when you are either completely wrong or hit 10 on the scale of DERP.
 
2013-01-25 11:17:07 AM
Sounds like somebody's daughter is a little late this month.
 
2013-01-25 11:17:33 AM
The GOP Model of "It's Ok When We Have It Happen To Us"

1) Propose legislation that punishes victim.
2) Have someone in your family that is a victim in the same scenario.
3) Do mental gynmastics until you vomit to come up with an exception as to why #2 isn't like #1.
4) Don't punish the family member.
5) Profit.
 
2013-01-25 11:17:40 AM

david_gaithersburg: Oh, love the red banner at the top of the article. Can someone please explain why Obam isn't sitting in jail?


Obam? Do you mean President Obama? He's not in jail because he hasn't broken and laws.

Did you mean the Scottish County of Oban? Now while I don't agree with wars of resources, we could make an exception for them...
 
2013-01-25 11:18:28 AM

david_gaithersburg: Oh, love the red banner at the top of the article. Can someone please explain why Obam isn't sitting in jail?


Did you just count to potato?
 
2013-01-25 11:19:10 AM

david_gaithersburg: .
So you support victims of sexual abuse being forced by their abusers to have an abortion?


how often does that even happen?  because i'm thinking it's gotta be pretty damn rare.  also, a live fetus and a dead one both have DNA evidence, right?  so can't you just use the dead fetus as your evidence anyway?
 
2013-01-25 11:20:12 AM

Weaver95: Mugato: Weaver95: I really don't understand this bizarre obsession the pro-life crowd has with punishing rape victims. being forced to carry the product of rape full term has to be pretty damaging, not just mentally but financially.

I'm pro-choice (meaning I don't really care but I don't think a woman should be made to have a kid she doesn't want) but if you're a religious fanatic who believes that life begins when the guy nuts inside a woman and that all life is sacred (none of them believe that one), believing that a woman should carry a rape baby is at least internally consistent with their twisted viewpoint. It's not the kid's fault what the terms were under which he was conceived.

If this sounds like I'm supporting pro-life people, I'm not, I'm just saying forcing the woman to keep the rape baby is consistent with what they claim to believe. I hope that came across correctly.

sure, but it's not very logical.  you can't say 'all life is sacred' then turn around and do NOTHING to help that life grow and become meaningful.  you might as well give birth and then abandon the kid on a barren windswept mountain top.  that's also logically consistent with the pro-life view.


pro lifers only care about a 'baby' until it's actually born.
 
2013-01-25 11:20:41 AM
That's nice... Though, I'm really not interested in listening to any of your regressive nonsense wrapped up in a prettier package.

At least have the faith of your convictions and stand by the ridiculous bullshiat you claim to believe, you twat.
 
2013-01-25 11:21:21 AM

what_now: david_gaithersburg: Oh, love the red banner at the top of the article. Can someone please explain why Obam isn't sitting in jail?

Obam? Do you mean President Obama? He's not in jail because he hasn't broken and laws.

Did you mean the Scottish County of Oban? Now while I don't agree with wars of resources, we could make an exception for them...


.
He should be brought before a court of law for a judge to decide if any laws have been broken. I can think of at lease twenty laws off the top of my head that he appears to have violated. One of them is in that big red headline.
 
2013-01-25 11:22:19 AM

jehovahs witness protection: This and the anti-gay shiat pisses me off. I'm one of the few pro choice, pro gay marriage, atheist conservatives out there. DAMMIT!


You are in the wrong party.

Abandon it.
 
2013-01-25 11:22:45 AM

david_gaithersburg: what_now: david_gaithersburg: Oh, love the red banner at the top of the article. Can someone please explain why Obam isn't sitting in jail?

Obam? Do you mean President Obama? He's not in jail because he hasn't broken and laws.

Did you mean the Scottish County of Oban? Now while I don't agree with wars of resources, we could make an exception for them...

.
He should be brought before a court of law for a judge to decide if any laws have been broken. I can think of at lease twenty laws off the top of my head that he appears to have violated. One of them is in that big red headline.


um...what are you talking about?
 
2013-01-25 11:22:55 AM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Sorry... what we meant to say was that anyone who has an abortion or participates in any procedure that might cause harm or discomfort to a fetus should be summarily executed

because all life is sacred.

We apologize for any confusion.

Love,
The GOP


FTFY
 
2013-01-25 11:23:03 AM
I thought that women can't get preggers from teh rape.
 
2013-01-25 11:23:21 AM
Yeah, keep defending a law to make rape victims felons. That won't backfire AT ALL.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-25 11:23:40 AM

Mugato: Weaver95: I really don't understand this bizarre obsession the pro-life crowd has with punishing rape victims. being forced to carry the product of rape full term has to be pretty damaging, not just mentally but financially.

I'm pro-choice (meaning I don't really care but I don't think a woman should be made to have a kid she doesn't want) but if you're a religious fanatic who believes that life begins when the guy nuts inside a woman and that all life is sacred (none of them believe that one), believing that a woman should carry a rape baby is at least internally consistent with their twisted viewpoint. It's not the kid's fault what the terms were under which he was conceived.

If this sounds like I'm supporting pro-life people, I'm not, I'm just saying forcing the woman to keep the rape baby is consistent with what they claim to believe. I hope that came across correctly.


So is forcing the rape victim to marry the rapist.  And execution for homosexuals.
 
2013-01-25 11:23:52 AM

Weaver95: I really don't understand this bizarre obsession the pro-life crowd has with punishing rape victims.  being forced to carry the product of rape full term has to be pretty damaging, not just mentally but financially.  look - I get the 'whole life is sacred' thing, I really do.


that's what jesus is for. duh. you pray to him and give yourself to him and have him in you and you'll be ok. unless jesus was the gardner who got you pregnant.
 
2013-01-25 11:24:03 AM
Although the clause regarding intent would seem to preclude rape victims from being charged, several critics read the bill as possibly including them

That's what I said in the other thread.  The bill as written would only apply to someone who acts with the specific intent to prevent the apprehension, prosecution or conviction of any person or to throw suspicion of the commission of a crime upon another.

It's good that she will clarify the language, but I'm not sure that will stop the dishonest left-wing media from distorting whatever language she uses.
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2013-01-25 11:24:18 AM

david_gaithersburg: DGS: david_gaithersburg: So-called-progressives, doing their part to keep down the national reading level.

What does this even mean?

.
So you support victims of sexual abuse being forced by their abusers to have an abortion?

The bill is not needed, but the outrage is manufactured.


Nice! I ask you what it is you even mean and you're already positioning me! Thanks! I see I have you correctly marked as 'Derpy'.

For the record, the bill is atrocious. I believe in consent. Not 'no means no' but 'yes means yes' and not otherwise. I don't support anyone being forced by their abusers to do a damn thing, and I certainly don't support the abuse in the first place. To say this is manufactured outrage is to try and undermine what this bill would have potentially done, and you're absurd with your intended minimization. Shocking, I tell you, just shocking. :|

If a woman chooses to terminate a pregnancy, I support her right to choose. This is an issue between her, her healthcare provider(s), and any potential partner(s) that need to be involved in the decision making. The state doesn't get to decide if the person is making the right choice.. or are you against personal liberty?

/I can do it, too. Stupid, isn't it.
 
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