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(Mother Jones)   Photos of our presidents playing with their guns. Bonus: President Obama on a fun-filled shooting spree   (motherjones.com) divider line 90
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2013-01-25 09:15:48 AM
Should somebody remind Obama that you're not supposed to run around the pool?
 
2013-01-25 09:32:18 AM
Holy shiat! I'd like to have that Winchester that TR is holding!
 
2013-01-25 09:44:29 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: Holy shiat! I'd like to have that Winchester that TR is holding!


you stole Roosevelt's Winchester?!  I'm calling the feds!
 
2013-01-25 09:48:00 AM
"playing with their guns"

You play with firearms you just may end up in a Fark headline.
 
2013-01-25 09:50:40 AM
This is my rifle, this is my gun.......
 
2013-01-25 09:56:26 AM
It's an 1876. I have an 86 and wish I had the means to collect more vintage Winchesters.
 
2013-01-25 10:02:04 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: It's an 1876. I have an 86 and wish I had the means to collect more vintage Winchesters.


My dad gave me his pre-64 Winchester 94 this Christmas. He bought a new durr rifle, and he knew I had my eye on it.
 
2013-01-25 10:07:52 AM
What's the over/under on the number of gun threads today?
 
2013-01-25 10:11:16 AM

BillCo: What's the over/under on the number of gun threads today?


There's already a couple in the works. The subject interests me, and I enjoy debating (because I'm never wrong*), but I can see how the majority of Fark is farking sick of all these gun threads.

*Joke
 
2013-01-25 10:16:55 AM

Frank N Stein: My dad gave me his pre-64 Winchester 94 this Christmas. He bought a new durr rifle, and he knew I had my eye on it.


Nice! I have a 94...bought it new for $99 in 1979. I haven't taken the best of care with it but it's still a damn good rifle. The 86 is in excellent condition. It's chambered .38-56 and a friend made me 200 rounds for it...necked down .45-70s 250 grain flat nose lead bullets. Slower than Christmas but pretty accurate nonetheless.
 
2013-01-25 10:21:18 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: Frank N Stein: My dad gave me his pre-64 Winchester 94 this Christmas. He bought a new durr rifle, and he knew I had my eye on it.

Nice! I have a 94...bought it new for $99 in 1979. I haven't taken the best of care with it but it's still a damn good rifle. The 86 is in excellent condition. It's chambered .38-56 and a friend made me 200 rounds for it...necked down .45-70s 250 grain flat nose lead bullets. Slower than Christmas but pretty accurate nonetheless.


Cowboy loads weren't obscure enough for your hipster self? :)
 
2013-01-25 10:28:00 AM

BillCo: What's the over/under on the number of gun threads today?


I'm already accountable for two.
 
2013-01-25 10:34:54 AM

BillCo: What's the over/under on the number of gun threads today?


I'm hardly a gambling man, but I'll set it at 5.5

/get your popcorn ready
 
2013-01-25 10:37:29 AM

Frank N Stein: Cowboy loads weren't obscure enough for your hipster self? :)


Heh! Dad bought that from a neighbor way back  when (40s or 50s) for $25. The trigger was worn and wouldn't stay cocked . He gave it to me in 1986 or 87 but before he did, he took it to a gunsmith to have a new trigger put on. The smith offered him $3000 for it back then. According to this site, it was manufactured in 1889.
 
2013-01-25 10:48:21 AM
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JFK, already prepping for the zombie apocalypse.
 
2013-01-25 11:00:07 AM
If Obama had a gun he would just shoot himself in the foot.
 
2013-01-25 11:00:59 AM
Rick Perry looks pretty natural with that Tommy gun.
 
2013-01-25 11:03:31 AM
Cool Eleanor Roosevelt pictures. I, too, salute our first Lesbian President.
 
2013-01-25 11:03:43 AM
Really, President/Commander in Chief OBAMA??
*THAT* is just downright embarrassing.
 
2013-01-25 11:03:55 AM

david_gaithersburg: If Obama had a gun he would just shoot himself in the foot.


Have you seen his wife lately? Odds are he's shooting blanks and thankful for it
 
2013-01-25 11:04:12 AM
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MILF titties at twelve o'clock!
 
2013-01-25 11:10:07 AM
I'm framing this one over the mantel..and near the shrine

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2013-01-25 11:11:00 AM
www.northernsun.com

/you also have to get them to apologize to you afterward
 
2013-01-25 11:11:08 AM

Frank N Stein: My dad gave me his pre-64 Winchester 94 this Christmas. He bought a new durr rifle, and he knew I had my eye on it.


Nice, I have my Grandfather's pre-64 94 in 32 Special, that gun is a beast to shoot.
 
2013-01-25 11:11:32 AM

oldfarthenry: www.motherjones.com
MILF titties at twelve o'clock!



is that a midget to the left? The scale on this pic is all weird.
 
2013-01-25 11:13:50 AM

Frank N Stein


He bought a new durr rifle


???

www.blogcdn.com


pic is borrowed
 
2013-01-25 11:14:25 AM

BillCo: What's the over/under on the number of gun threads today?


I always liked an over/under, but they seem to be losing favor to the side-by-side these days.
 
2013-01-25 11:15:16 AM

david_gaithersburg: If Obama had a gun he would just shoot himself in the foot.


Great, then his foot would be all wet.
 
2013-01-25 11:18:27 AM

oldernell: This is my rifle, this is my gun.......


In one hundred years...

This is my phaser, this is my gun
This one's for shooting, it's set on stun.
 
2013-01-25 11:20:01 AM
Imagine what the rifle JFK was holding is worth today.
 
2013-01-25 11:20:16 AM

JohnCarter: I'm framing this one over the mantel..and near the shrine

[www.motherjones.com image 630x534]


AMEN
 
2013-01-25 11:21:31 AM

Frank N Stein:
My dad gave me his pre-64 Winchester 94 this Christmas. He bought a new durr rifle, and he knew I had my eye on it.


I look forward to the days when Fark filters the crap out of everything, when we can look forward to seeing stories about people convicted of durr with a deadly derp.

Clbuttic!

/farking nannies
 
2013-01-25 11:22:04 AM
Wow Obama has some nice calfs. I love the pic of Biden.
 
2013-01-25 11:25:45 AM
For the CIC of the armed forces, they have some poor trigger discipline.
 
2013-01-25 11:26:44 AM
Gun Elvis gave Nixon...

www.thetruthaboutguns.com
 
2013-01-25 11:28:11 AM

NightOwl2255: For the CIC of the armed forces, they have some poor trigger discipline.


Especially compared to this guy:
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-01-25 11:28:36 AM
Is that a Assault Water Gun Obama is holding?, I see a pistol grip and a clip containing more than 7 oz of water...
 
2013-01-25 11:29:44 AM

NightOwl2255: For the CIC of the armed forces, they have some poor trigger discipline.


Actors, lawyers, scumbags, etc. You can't seriously expect them to not be dumbasses when it comes to firearms.

/stroke the trigger like you would a lover
 
2013-01-25 11:34:39 AM
biatches please
img692.imageshack.us
 
2013-01-25 11:38:59 AM

Smeggy Smurf: NightOwl2255:
/stroke the trigger like you would a lover


With a leather whip?? Now I am all confused.

/Weeners in maybe two years.
//back to lurk mode
 
2013-01-25 11:39:56 AM

FarkUserName: Smeggy Smurf: NightOwl2255:
/stroke the trigger like you would a lover

With a leather whip?? Now I am all confused.

/Weeners in maybe two years.
//back to lurk mode


Hah! Owned by the filter!
 
2013-01-25 11:43:01 AM

oldfarthenry: [www.motherjones.com image 630x415]
MILF titties at twelve o'clock!


It's more like 2ish.
 
2013-01-25 11:55:27 AM
Ummm...

A guy with Alzheimer's holding a gun with his finger absent-mindedly on the trigger. Nice.

i8.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-25 11:55:36 AM

blatz514: oldfarthenry: [www.motherjones.com image 630x415]
MILF titties at twelve o'clock!

It's more like 2ish.


Or Five o'clock, if you're Biden.
 
2013-01-25 11:56:30 AM

BillCo: What's the over/under on the number of gun threads today?


s3-ec.buzzfed.com
 
2013-01-25 11:57:41 AM

oldfarthenry: [www.motherjones.com image 630x415]
MILF titties at twelve o'clock!


maybe three O clock?
 
2013-01-25 11:58:26 AM

JohnCarter: I'm framing this one over the mantel..and near the shrine

[www.motherjones.com image 630x534]


finger on the trigger
 
2013-01-25 11:59:31 AM

ChipNASA: Really, President/Commander in Chief OBAMA??
*THAT* is just downright embarrassing.


It is in a way, but--- I do see him as the type that would sneak down to the secret service range and blow off a few boxes of ammo and hand out with the bodyguards just to get away from the DC crap. Wouldn't be able to let anyone know about it, but I could see it happening.
 
2013-01-25 12:01:24 PM
Mother Jones staff is phoning it in these days. A body count & dollars of destruction per President graph would be worth seeing.
 
2013-01-25 12:03:35 PM
www.motherjones.com

Politics aside, that's a great photo.
 
2013-01-25 12:05:10 PM

THX 1138: Ummm...

A guy with Alzheimer's holding a gun with his finger absent-mindedly on the trigger. Nice.

[i8.photobucket.com image 630x534]


They were actually on a hunting trip and had just spotted a liberal.

i57.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-25 12:06:47 PM
GHWB just looks like a natural with a gun.

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Also...
Golly, gee willikers, Mr. Truman!

www.motherjones.com
 
2013-01-25 12:18:12 PM

John Napkintosh: BillCo: What's the over/under on the number of gun threads today?

I always liked an over/under, but they seem to be losing favor to the side-by-side these days.


Funny, I'd say the opposite. I've been shopping recently too.

I'm shooting a semi-auto right now and it doesn't like sporting clays too much. Around course 7 it stops ejecting
 
2013-01-25 12:26:47 PM
The pic of Ike, Omar Bradley and Mr. Churchill was pretty good as well.
 
2013-01-25 12:29:06 PM
Well, Obama was shooting at black people, so of course there is no outrage.
 
2013-01-25 12:29:34 PM
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I wonder if when his kid nailed him with that chest shot, a secret service member dove in front of him shouting "NnnnooooOOOOOOOoooooooo!!!!!!"
 
2013-01-25 12:35:18 PM
i.imgur.com

man this jpg is gettin more mileage than Bill O'Reillys credit card in a discount whorehouse

/loofa
 
2013-01-25 12:36:59 PM

Brick-House: They were actually on a hunting trip and had just spotted a liberal.


a joke about gunning down your political opposite, how American of you.
 
2013-01-25 12:37:56 PM
Im sure Barry handled a few firearms during his short time at the madrassa he went to
 
2013-01-25 12:42:54 PM

Frank N Stein: BillCo: What's the over/under on the number of gun threads today?

There's already a couple in the works. The subject interests me, and I enjoy debating (because I'm never wrong*), but I can see how the majority of Fark is farking sick of all these gun threads.

*Joke


Not necessarily sick of the threads themselves, but equal parts sick and disgusted at how many threads about 26 dead children in the past month have quickly devolved into pro-gun dick-measuring threads.

I mean, if you have an actual policy opinion one way or the other, go ahead and share it, and as long as they're legal, go ahead and and carve out a place on Fark to talk about your guns amongst yourselves. But a big reason for the coming clamp down is that the pro-gun crowd--completely lacking in common sense, propriety and decency,--seems to have viewed Newtown as an invitation to turn a period of national grief into a casual, public NRA meeting, and that has really angered people like me in the gun-agnostic center.

I mean, I was vocally opposed to the Iraq War, but when I go to play bingo at the VFW, I shut the fark up about it because it's not the appropriate venue. Gun nuts need to realize that it's in their best interests to do the same.
 
2013-01-25 12:45:44 PM
How about a half-American Prime Minister?

i798.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-25 12:51:29 PM

violentsalvation: How about a half-American Prime Minister?

[i798.photobucket.com image 600x600]



YES!
 
2013-01-25 12:56:04 PM
FTFA: "This much was obvious-Ronald Reagan loves shooting and loves people,"

A few missed words in this sentence and a firestorm of protest would erupt from the right wing!

I've crossed out the words I mean so nobody has to guess

///giggle
 
2013-01-25 12:59:48 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: GHWB just looks like a natural with a gun.

[www.motherjones.com image 492x630]
...


It's a little trick he learned in the CIA.
 
2013-01-25 01:05:10 PM

Red_Fox: Brick-House: They were actually on a hunting trip and had just spotted a liberal.

a joke about gunning down your political opposite, how American of you.


It's a donkey, jack-ass!

/that'sthejoke.jpg
 
2013-01-25 01:12:03 PM
Proper hunting attire.
 
2013-01-25 01:15:37 PM

udhq: Frank N Stein: BillCo: What's the over/under on the number of gun threads today?

There's already a couple in the works. The subject interests me, and I enjoy debating (because I'm never wrong*), but I can see how the majority of Fark is farking sick of all these gun threads.

*Joke

Not necessarily sick of the threads themselves, but equal parts sick and disgusted at how many threads about 26 dead children in the past month have quickly devolved into pro-gun dick-measuring threads.

I mean, if you have an actual policy opinion one way or the other, go ahead and share it, and as long as they're legal, go ahead and and carve out a place on Fark to talk about your guns amongst yourselves. But a big reason for the coming clamp down is that the pro-gun crowd--completely lacking in common sense, propriety and decency,--seems to have viewed Newtown as an invitation to turn a period of national grief into a casual, public NRA meeting, and that has really angered people like me in the gun-agnostic center.

I mean, I was vocally opposed to the Iraq War, but when I go to play bingo at the VFW, I shut the fark up about it because it's not the appropriate venue. Gun nuts need to realize that it's in their best interests to do the same.


Very much this.

However, I would say there is more than enough derp from both sides of the aisle. most sane peeps are in the fetal position with their hands over their ears screaming "MAKE IT STOP! MAKE IT ALL STOP FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THINGS HOLY AND FOR THE SAKE OF THINGS UNHOLY!"

/end rant
 
2013-01-25 01:17:28 PM
Teddy Roosevelt was known as being an awkward, out of touch aristocrat. So to clean this image up, he did all sorts of manly things like hunting big game and dressing like a rugged frontiersman like this
i.imgur.com
But that knife(not sure of its proper name) was bought at Tiffany's, and cost $500 back in those days(so who knows the adjusted price)He took a lot of shiat for it for being a douchy poseur, and was the butt of many jokes. He then took it out on lions and elephants in Africa.

Source: Some Presidential documentary, that I can't recall the name of.
 
2013-01-25 01:29:34 PM

udhq: But a big reason for the coming clamp down is that the pro-gun crowd--completely lacking in common sense, propriety and decency,--seems to have viewed Newtown as an invitation to turn a period of national grief into a casual, public NRA meeting, and that has really angered people like me in the gun-agnostic center.


We only feel the need to talk about guns because Diane Feinstein couldn't wait to climb on top of a pile of dead 6-year-olds to push the same old nonsensical laws which won't do any good she's been pushing for decades.
 
2013-01-25 01:35:11 PM

udhq: Frank N Stein: BillCo: What's the over/under on the number of gun threads today?

There's already a couple in the works. The subject interests me, and I enjoy debating (because I'm never wrong*), but I can see how the majority of Fark is farking sick of all these gun threads.

*Joke

Not necessarily sick of the threads themselves, but equal parts sick and disgusted at how many threads about 26 dead children in the past month have quickly devolved into pro-gun dick-measuring threads.

I mean, if you have an actual policy opinion one way or the other, go ahead and share it, and as long as they're legal, go ahead and and carve out a place on Fark to talk about your guns amongst yourselves. But a big reason for the coming clamp down is that the pro-gun crowd--completely lacking in common sense, propriety and decency,--seems to have viewed Newtown as an invitation to turn a period of national grief into a casual, public NRA meeting, and that has really angered people like me in the gun-agnostic center.

I mean, I was vocally opposed to the Iraq War, but when I go to play bingo at the VFW, I shut the fark up about it because it's not the appropriate venue. Gun nuts need to realize that it's in their best interests to do the same.


While we're all sorrowful at the tradgedies that occur everyday in America, we all knew one absolute truth after the Sandy Hook massacre: the gun grabbers would not let that crisis go to waste.

Since most of us were content with the status quo we were ready for the enevitable roar of BAN GUNS. Our response is a big FARK YOU you authoritarian asshats.

/and who's measuring penises?
 
2013-01-25 01:41:26 PM
dude, i'm disappointed. i'd've gained respect for the current president operating a firearm safety. does anyone know if he does shoot?
 
2013-01-25 01:49:39 PM
www.motherjones.com
www.thequietfront.com
 
2013-01-25 01:52:44 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: GHWB just looks like a natural with a gun.

Came here to say that. Proper carry, proper grip, good job George.
Of course, he learned firearms respect the hard way, by being shot out of the sky :)
 
2013-01-25 02:03:29 PM
I'll tell you what, thank GOD they haven't invented time machines yet. As a black guy, I'd hate to accidentally end up in any one of those early photos. They don't look like a tolerant bunch.
 
2013-01-25 02:07:20 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: Holy shiat! I'd like to have that Winchester that TR is holding!


You can have it when you pry it from his cold, dead hands.
 
2013-01-25 02:08:03 PM

Mixolydian Master: Teddy Roosevelt was known as being an awkward, out of touch aristocrat. He took a lot of shiat for being a douchy poseur, and was the butt of many jokes. He then took it out on lions and elephants in Africa.

Source: Some Presidential documentary, that I can't recall the name of.


'The Kent family Chronicles', John Jakes bicentennial series of books spent a whole book on Teddy in the Dakotas. It was pretty insightful. But, still, he was a New York pol with lots of money, and could hire people to show how rugged he was.
 
2013-01-25 02:10:25 PM

YixilTesiphon: udhq: But a big reason for the coming clamp down is that the pro-gun crowd--completely lacking in common sense, propriety and decency,--seems to have viewed Newtown as an invitation to turn a period of national grief into a casual, public NRA meeting, and that has really angered people like me in the gun-agnostic center.

We only feel the need to talk about guns because Diane Feinstein couldn't wait to climb on top of a pile of dead 6-year-olds to push the same old nonsensical laws which won't do any good she's been pushing for decades.


You know what? The gun lobby has had it's chance to react to this issue. For forty years, they've shut down all moderate, common sense attempts to solve the problem of gun violence, things like licensure and background-check reform. And now that those efforts have come home to roost dozens of times in the last decade, their only response has been that these tragedies are natural by-products of the 2nd amendment that we simply have to learn to live with.

Now, I'm a guy who grew up around guns, and I'm sympathetic to the common misinterpretation of the 2nd amendment that often inspires the gun nuts, but if they expect our society not to react to these events, then they have shown beyond a reasonable doubt that they can't handle the responsibilities that accompany the right to bear arms.
 
2013-01-25 02:14:29 PM

mdeesnuts: udhq: Frank N Stein: BillCo: What's the over/under on the number of gun threads today?

There's already a couple in the works. The subject interests me, and I enjoy debating (because I'm never wrong*), but I can see how the majority of Fark is farking sick of all these gun threads.

*Joke

Not necessarily sick of the threads themselves, but equal parts sick and disgusted at how many threads about 26 dead children in the past month have quickly devolved into pro-gun dick-measuring threads.

I mean, if you have an actual policy opinion one way or the other, go ahead and share it, and as long as they're legal, go ahead and and carve out a place on Fark to talk about your guns amongst yourselves. But a big reason for the coming clamp down is that the pro-gun crowd--completely lacking in common sense, propriety and decency,--seems to have viewed Newtown as an invitation to turn a period of national grief into a casual, public NRA meeting, and that has really angered people like me in the gun-agnostic center.

I mean, I was vocally opposed to the Iraq War, but when I go to play bingo at the VFW, I shut the fark up about it because it's not the appropriate venue. Gun nuts need to realize that it's in their best interests to do the same.

While we're all sorrowful at the tradgedies that occur everyday in America, we all knew one absolute truth after the Sandy Hook massacre: the gun grabbers would not let that crisis go to waste.

Since most of us were content with the status quo we were ready for the enevitable roar of BAN GUNS. Our response is a big FARK YOU you authoritarian asshats.

/and who's measuring penises?


There is 1, and only 1 group of authoritarian asshats in this debate, and it's the people arguing that rather than the government asking me fill out additional paperwork, the solution is instead to force everyone who was born with a mental illness to register like a sex offender.
 
2013-01-25 02:18:25 PM
I'm pretty sure that rifle JFK is holding is an M-16 not 15.
 
2013-01-25 02:19:33 PM

udhq: I'm sympathetic to the common misinterpretation of the 2nd amendment


Can't argue on the Internet with somebody who can't read.
 
2013-01-25 02:24:44 PM

YixilTesiphon: udhq: I'm sympathetic to the common misinterpretation of the 2nd amendment

Can't argue on the Internet with somebody who can't read.


Can't argue with someone who chooses to ignore the words "well-regulated".
 
2013-01-25 02:30:47 PM

udhq: YixilTesiphon: udhq: I'm sympathetic to the common misinterpretation of the 2nd amendment

Can't argue on the Internet with somebody who can't read.

Can't argue with someone who chooses to ignore the words "well-regulated".


i.imgur.com


will this help?
 
2013-01-25 02:55:39 PM

Haliburton Cummings: udhq: YixilTesiphon: udhq: I'm sympathetic to the common misinterpretation of the 2nd amendment

Can't argue on the Internet with somebody who can't read.

Can't argue with someone who chooses to ignore the words "well-regulated".

[i.imgur.com image 480x480]


will this help?


And that doesn't even address the background of the 2nd amendment:

To paraphrase, it was included only to gain the votes of the delegates from the Commonwealth of Virginia, who needed to it to maintain an armed "slave patrol" in the face of growing threats of violent insurrection by enslaved blacks.

In fact, the NRA formed shortly after emancipation as a means of advocating the arming of whites against the newly-freed blacks, and for the first century of their existence, they openly advocated race-specific gun control laws to disarm blacks.

And that's not even getting into the specifics of the language: if we want to interpret this through the "Antonin Scalia/Seance" originalism that gun nuts like to cite, then by "arms", the drafters of the constitution referred SOLELY to the single-shot, powder-fired, muzzle loaded muskets that were available at the time, and anything else would require an additional amendment.
 
2013-01-25 03:09:48 PM

udhq: Now, I'm a guy who grew up around guns, and I'm sympathetic to the common misinterpretation of the 2nd amendment that often inspires the gun nuts, but if they expect our society not to react to these events, then they have shown beyond a reasonable doubt that they can't handle the responsibilities that accompany the right to bear arms.


Have you ever noticed the State Constitutions drawn up around the time of the Federal Constitution regarding "arms" and the folks around us?
Bet youu never read what folks in those times were ACTUALLY postulating.
Maine
"Every citizen has a right to keep and bear arms and this right shall never be questioned."
New Hampshire
"All persons have the right to keep and bear arms in defense of themselves, their families, their property, and the state."
Delaware
"A person has the right to keep and bear arms for the defense of self, family, home and state, and for hunting and recreational use."
Virginia
"That a well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state, therefore, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided as dangerous to liberty; and that in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power."
You may have the popular misconception.
 
2013-01-25 03:39:12 PM
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That is some damned fine shooting. Not a single flyer out of the black.
 
2013-01-25 04:16:41 PM

Haliburton Cummings: udhq: YixilTesiphon: udhq: I'm sympathetic to the common misinterpretation of the 2nd amendment

Can't argue on the Internet with somebody who can't read.

Can't argue with someone who chooses to ignore the words "well-regulated".

[i.imgur.com image 480x480]


will this help?


one could well argue that since a militia is made up of the people, the people must be well armed to form said militia.

& that it's already being "well regulated" by not allowing civilians to possess rockets or jet fighters or tanks

& not sure how you glean "state sponsored militia" from that

so your poster is kinda dumb
 
2013-01-25 06:57:55 PM

udhq: Frank N Stein: BillCo: What's the over/under on the number of gun threads today?

There's already a couple in the works. The subject interests me, and I enjoy debating (because I'm never wrong*), but I can see how the majority of Fark is farking sick of all these gun threads.

*Joke

Not necessarily sick of the threads themselves, but equal parts sick and disgusted at how many threads about 26 dead children in the past month have quickly devolved into pro-gun dick-measuring threads.

I mean, if you have an actual policy opinion one way or the other, go ahead and share it, and as long as they're legal, go ahead and and carve out a place on Fark to talk about your guns amongst yourselves. But a big reason for the coming clamp down is that the pro-gun crowd--completely lacking in common sense, propriety and decency,--seems to have viewed Newtown as an invitation to turn a period of national grief into a casual, public NRA meeting, and that has really angered people like me in the gun-agnostic center.

I mean, I was vocally opposed to the Iraq War, but when I go to play bingo at the VFW, I shut the fark up about it because it's not the appropriate venue. Gun nuts need to realize that it's in their best interests to do the same.


I have a friend who lives in Newtown. My friend's paraphrased opinion on both side's arguments is that it is just as inappropriate, improper, and indecent for the anti-gun camp to turn this tragedy into their personal platform for furthering their agenda as it is for the pro-gun folks to turn it into an argument to support theirs. Both sides need to shout less and listen more, because both sides have valid points. But using the blood and bodies of murdered children to make those points is the same as joining Westboro in cheering the destruction wreaked on that community.

We've all been guilty here on Fark, as has every person in the country with a political agenda--including the media. The only rational comments on the topic at all that I've seen, strangely enough, were Bill Clinton's recent remarks. You mentioned common sense--it can only exist if we demand it, and "we the people" have forgotten what that means.
 
2013-01-25 07:28:52 PM

udhq: In fact, the NRA formed shortly after emancipation as a means of advocating the arming of whites against the newly-freed blacks, and for the first century of their existence, they openly advocated race-specific gun control laws to disarm blacks.


So do you take Michael Moore's word on everything?
 
2013-01-25 09:29:39 PM

inner ted: Haliburton Cummings: udhq: YixilTesiphon: udhq: I'm sympathetic to the common misinterpretation of the 2nd amendment

Can't argue on the Internet with somebody who can't read.

Can't argue with someone who chooses to ignore the words "well-regulated".

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will this help?

one could well argue that since a militia is made up of the people, the people must be well armed to form said militia.

& that it's already being "well regulated" by not allowing civilians to possess rockets or jet fighters or tanks

& not sure how you glean "state sponsored militia" from that

so your poster is kinda dumb


you could argue but you obviously aren't very bright.


again for the stupid in you.


The Bill of Rights, the first 10 amendments to the Constitution.
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In the coming months, as the nation begins a serious discussion about gun regulation, the meaning of the Second Amendment - the statement that "a well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed" - will be much discussed.

It is vital that Americans separate myths from realities, because what many of us seem to have forgotten is that, in the vision of the founders of the United States of America, the right to bear arms carries with it enormous burdens and responsibilities.

In fact, if we restored the Second Amendment to its original meaning, it would be the NRA's worst nightmare. Invoking the Second Amendment ought to be a more effective argument for increased regulation than it is against it.

In 2008, a closely divided Supreme Court abandoned more than 70 years of precedent and for the first time in American history affirmed that the Second Amendment is about a right to have a handgun in the home for self-defense. Lost in most of the commentary then and now is that this is almost the exactly opposite of what James Madison, the primary architect of the amendment, intended, and is hard to reconcile with the way most ordinary Americans would have read it in 1791.

In 1776, most of the original state constitutions did not even include an arms-bearing provision. The few states that did usually also included a clause protecting the right not to bear arms. Why? Because, in contrast to other cherished rights such as freedom of speech or religion, the state could not compel you to speak or pray. It could force you to bear arms.

The founders had a simple reason for curbing this right: Quakers and other religious pacifists were opposed to bearing arms, and wished to be exempt from an obligation that could be made incumbent on all male citizens at the time.

When the Second Amendment is discussed today, we tend to think of those "militias" as just a bunch of ordinary guys with guns, empowering themselves to resist authority when and if necessary. Nothing could be further from the founders' vision.

Militias were tightly controlled organizations legally defined and regulated by the individual colonies before the Revolution and, after independence, by the individual states. Militia laws ran on for pages and were some of the lengthiest pieces of legislation in the statute books. States kept track of who had guns, had the right to inspect them in private homes and could fine citizens for failing to report to a muster.

These laws also defined what type of guns you had to buy - a form of taxation levied on individual households. Yes, long before Obamacare, the state made you buy something, even if you did not want to purchase it. (The guns required by law were muskets, not pistols. The only exceptions to this general rule were the horsemen's pistols that dragoons and other mounted units needed.)

The founders had a word for a bunch of farmers marching with guns without government sanction: a mob. One of the reasons we have a Constitution is the founders were worried about the danger posed by individuals acting like a militia without legal authority. This was precisely what happened during Shays' Rebellion, an insurrection in western Massachusetts that persuaded many Americans that we needed a stronger central government to avert anarchy.

Many people think that we have the Second Amendment so that we can take up arms against the government if it overreaches its authority. If that interpretation were correct, it would mean that the Second Amendment had repealed the Constitution's treason clause, which defines this crime as taking up arms against the government. In reality, in the first decade after the Constitution, the government put down several rebellions similar to Shays - and nobody claimed that they were merely asserting their Second Amendment rights.

So if the Second Amendment does not have much to do about owning a pistol for self-defense, does that mean the founders did not esteem this right? Obviously the answer to that question is no. Not every right valued by Americans was expressly protected by a constitutional provision. The right of self-defense was part of the common law, a long tradition of rights defined by the English courts over a period of centuries.

But rather than invoke the Second Amendment in the coming months, Americans need to learn something about the historical origins of this part of our constitutional tradition. The bottom line is simple: the Second Amendment requires more gun regulation, not less.

Cornell is the Paul and Diane Guenther Chair in American History at Fordham University.
 
2013-01-26 03:38:58 AM

... you could argue but you obviously aren't very bright.


This from someone who simply cuts and pastes a article?

Wow. What intellect.
 
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