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2013-01-25 09:27:37 AM  
A kid at that age - nightmare - bad enough with the two I've got still being at home
 
2013-01-25 09:39:48 AM  
Yeah but the frequency overall is less than 1%, and it's a scare tactic not to mention it.  Guys over 50 shouldn't decide to have kids or not have kids based on the risk of some rare disorder raising from 1 in 600 to 1 in 200.  They should decide because at that age, unless you're rich enough to afford a nanny, they're like the dark side of the Force.  Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny.


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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-01-25 09:44:13 AM  
Did they control for the age of the women? I'm sick of being blamed. I think if I go knock up the entire high school there will be a statistically normal number of schizophrenics in the resulting batch of babies.
 
2013-01-25 10:20:25 AM  
My batshiat insanity shows up in my distinct debaiting style:  Spaz Noir.
 
2013-01-25 10:44:10 AM  
That does it. Old people sex is ultimately to blame for school shootings. If we really care about the safety of our children, we should outlaw Viagra.
 
2013-01-25 10:44:51 AM  
My dad was almost fifty when I was born. I've half a mind to be offended.
 
2013-01-25 10:49:20 AM  
would have been nice if there was a single authority in that article. only citation is to some new republic journalist who just thinks all this stuff.

/ if there is a study, i'm sure it's funded by some evangelical nutjob society hellbent on overpopulating the world with future recruits.
 
2013-01-25 10:50:02 AM  
There's a reason sperm banks won't accept donations from men under age 39 (I believe it's 39).

Apparently, there are even more birth defects associated with advanced paternal age than with advanced maternal age.

Not sure why this is surprising. The idea that women have an expiration date but men don't has never been accurate, except in men's wishful thinking.
 
2013-01-25 10:51:05 AM  
You know, this is actually kinda interesting...we've seen the rise of mental illness in the past 10-20 years. Not surprisingly, over the same time frames, the average age of parents has gone up.

I have to wonder if there're hormonal things that happen in older parents that affect the health of the kid...
 
2013-01-25 10:51:23 AM  

pute kisses like a man: would have been nice if there was a single authority in that article. only citation is to some new republic journalist who just thinks all this stuff.

/ if there is a study, i'm sure it's funded by some evangelical nutjob society hellbent on overpopulating the world with future recruits.


Here you go: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303936704576400161673484 394.html
 
2013-01-25 10:53:50 AM  
Like most things (esp. in medicine) it's about probability. Being an "older" parent isn't a guarantee the child will be affected negatively, but the likelihood increases with age. And relative youth is no guarantee there won't be problems.

There are plenty of handicapped kids born to young, healthy parents. Every conception is a roll of the genetic dice.
 
2013-01-25 10:54:36 AM  
Ah, yes, a religious web site -- perfect place to obtain scientific information, especially since there's no way they're biased towards "OMG YOU MUST MARRY AND BREED" positions.
 
2013-01-25 10:56:15 AM  
Don't look at me - I'm shooting blanks!
(Mrs. Henry had me fixed.)
 
2013-01-25 10:56:32 AM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: Every conception is a roll of the genetic dice.


God does not play dice with the uterus.
 
2013-01-25 11:12:10 AM  
There is a strong correlation between maternal age and the chance of a child being born with Down Syndrome. I wish I could link the correlation-curve, but basically, at ages
This started people thinking about the role of paternal age and disorders in the child, and this study is just one example. Nothing has been found to be as clear as the correlation between maternal age and Down Syndrome, but there are definitely increased incidences in a number of mostly rare diseases based on paternal age. This is an area of active investigation, and more common diseases might also have this correlation.

Moral of the story: Don't wait too long - goes for men and women.
 
2013-01-25 11:16:43 AM  
It's caused by the onions on their belts.
 
2013-01-25 11:17:58 AM  
There is a strong correlation between maternal age and the chance of a child being born with Down Syndrome. I wish I could link the correlation-curve, but basically, at ages
This started people thinking about the role of paternal age and disorders in the child, and this study is just one example. Nothing has been found to be as clear as the correlation between maternal age and Down Syndrome, but there are definitely increased incidences in a number of mostly rare diseases based on paternal age. This is an area of active investigation, and more common diseases might also have this correlation.

Moral of the story: Don't wait too long - goes for men and women.
 
2013-01-25 11:18:07 AM  
That does it.

From now on, I'm shooting for facials.
 
2013-01-25 11:18:10 AM  

ExcaliburPrime111: Moral of the story: Don't wait too long - goes for men and women.


FTFY
 
2013-01-25 11:36:42 AM  

ZAZ: Did they control for the age of the women? I'm sick of being blamed. I think if I go knock up the entire high school there will be a statistically normal number of schizophrenics in the resulting batch of babies.


This, or maybe men who want to have children

ZAZ: Did they control for the age of the women? I'm sick of being blamed. I think if I go knock up the entire high school there will be a statistically normal number of schizophrenics in the resulting batch of babies.


Doesn't look like they did. Also, it is possible that men/women who want to children at that age are crazy themselves (schizophrenic), or women willing to mate with a man that age.....resulting in their children inheriting the gene. I think some unseen cause correlated with age of the father is the real reason and not age itself.
 
2013-01-25 11:37:20 AM  

Delay: ExcaliburPrime111: Moral of the story: Don't wait too long - goes for men and women.

FTFY


Thanks. Sorry about the incomplete post (both times). I must be tripping the filter in some way. All I wanted to show were the statistics. Basically young women who are 25 or less have a very small chance (0.1% or so) of having a Down's Syndrome child. This increases to 0.5% for 37 year olds, 2% for 43 year olds, and over 3.5% for 45 and older.

Maybe too much math?
 
2013-01-25 11:44:50 AM  
I'm the youngest of 4 children; my dad was 48 & my mom was 37 when I was born. If they had been a few years older I could have been a schizophrenic, autistic, Down's Syndrome child.
 
2013-01-25 11:52:07 AM  
Just like having children, you're never alone with a schizophrenic.
 
2013-01-25 12:05:10 PM  

ExcaliburPrime111: Delay: ExcaliburPrime111: Moral of the story: Don't wait too long - goes for men and women.

FTFY

Thanks. Sorry about the incomplete post (both times). I must be tripping the filter in some way. All I wanted to show were the statistics. Basically young women who are 25 or less have a very small chance (0.1% or so) of having a Down's Syndrome child. This increases to 0.5% for 37 year olds, 2% for 43 year olds, and over 3.5% for 45 and older.

Maybe too much math?


There is almost no reason to have a Down's Syndrome child. If during routine prenatal care the physician finds a heart murmur or if the mother's age warrants, a standard tissue culture test can detect trisomy 21 and the pregnancy terminated.
 
2013-01-25 12:07:59 PM  

ExcaliburPrime111: Thanks. Sorry about the incomplete post (both times). I must be tripping the filter in some way. All I wanted to show were the statistics. Basically young women who are 25 or less have a very small chance (0.1% or so) of having a Down's Syndrome child. This increases to 0.5% for 37 year olds, 2% for 43 year olds, and over 3.5% for 45 and older.
Maybe too much math?


Fark doesn't like the signs you were putting there. "Less than" "more than"
It sees them as incomplete html and just erases them.
 
2013-01-25 12:14:25 PM  

lantawa: My batshiat insanity shows up in my distinct debaiting style:  Spaz Noir.


I usually just keep fishing 'til I catch something, or it falls off the hook...
 
2013-01-25 12:15:08 PM  

I_Can't_Believe_it's_not_Boutros: My dad was almost fifty when I was born. I've half a mind to be offended.


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2013-01-25 12:16:43 PM  

Kit Fister: You know, this is actually kinda interesting...we've seen the rise of mental illness in the past 10-20 years. Not surprisingly, over the same time frames, the average age of parents has gone up.

I have to wonder if there're hormonal things that happen in older parents that affect the health of the kid...


Is there really an increase in mental illnesses, or is it possible we're getting better at detecting them and more people are seeking help now than in the past because the stigma for seeking treatment has been decreasing? Hmm...
 
2013-01-25 12:22:09 PM  

ZAZ: Did they control for the age of the women? I'm sick of being blamed. I think if I go knock up the entire high school there will be a statistically normal number of schizophrenics in the resulting batch of babies.


There would also be a Chris Hansen with a substantial number of police officers.
 
2013-01-25 12:24:39 PM  

oldfarthenry: Don't look at me - I'm shooting blanks!
(Mrs. Henry had me fixed.)


Where does she keep your balls?


/Shoulda made her fix herself
 
2013-01-25 12:25:38 PM  

ExcaliburPrime111: There is a strong correlation between maternal age and the chance of a child being born with Down Syndrome. I wish I could link the correlation-curve, but basically, at ages
This started people thinking about the role of paternal age and disorders in the child, and this study is just one example. Nothing has been found to be as clear as the correlation between maternal age and Down Syndrome, but there are definitely increased incidences in a number of mostly rare diseases based on paternal age. This is an area of active investigation, and more common diseases might also have this correlation.

Moral of the story: Don't wait too long - goes for men and women.


If I'd had kids in my early 20s as the article suggests is the right thing to do, I would have been a single mom raising those kids in poverty. How selfish of me to wait until I was married and making a good living to reproduce.
 
2013-01-25 12:26:49 PM  

Delay: ExcaliburPrime111: Delay: ExcaliburPrime111: Moral of the story: Don't wait too long - goes for men and women.

FTFY

Thanks. Sorry about the incomplete post (both times). I must be tripping the filter in some way. All I wanted to show were the statistics. Basically young women who are 25 or less have a very small chance (0.1% or so) of having a Down's Syndrome child. This increases to 0.5% for 37 year olds, 2% for 43 year olds, and over 3.5% for 45 and older.

Maybe too much math?

There is almost no reason to have a Down's Syndrome child. If during routine prenatal care the physician finds a heart murmur or if the mother's age warrants, a standard tissue culture test can detect trisomy 21 and the pregnancy terminated.


Easier said then done. Some people can while others will take on the task of raising a Down's kid.

Also having two kids with the youngest being in kindergarten and just over fifty, please have me committed if I even mention I wouldn't mind an other one. Love my kids but I am getting too old for this sh*&. Luckily Mrs. Xtalman can find other outlets for temporary baby fixes and they go back to their parents.
 
2013-01-25 12:26:56 PM  

elchupacabra: Ah, yes, a religious web site -- perfect place to obtain scientific information, especially since there's no way they're biased towards "OMG YOU MUST MARRY AND BREED" positions.


Which is odd that they are, considering the thought of having a schizophrenic child makes my uterus cower in fear.
 
2013-01-25 12:36:42 PM  

Loaf's Tray: lantawa: My batshiat insanity shows up in my distinct debaiting style:  Spaz Noir.

I usually just keep fishing 'til I catch something, or it falls off the hook...


So, are you taking the bate, or is this your weak and feeble trololololo effort. Derp. *snerk*

Grateful not to have special needs child problems that some folk have....
 
2013-01-25 12:40:02 PM  
images2.wikia.nocookie.net

say what?


/pic is hotter than some stupid star trek reference
 
2013-01-25 12:46:03 PM  
So this must be how the tea party started.
 
2013-01-25 12:50:30 PM  
You're at the very peak of your physical health between 15 and 25. That's the best time to have kids.

(No. Not a perv but historically, folks started having kids in the past around puberty. Check the Middle Ages.)

However, you don't reach 'full' mental maturity until around 29 - 30. I suspect that's natures little joke. Between 15 and 30, you're at your sexual peak. Though, from 15 to 25, you're usually still trying to figure out the opposite sex.

Like everything else, you have an expiration date when it comes to producing healthy kids. The cellular structures in your body are programmed to start wearing out at different times. By a certain time, a woman's body shuts down all reproductive systems: Menopause. Men start to discover that the seemingly ever present 'pi$$ hard' in the morning has decided to sleep in for a few more hours. The amount of sperm produced will drop in volume.

Guys can pump iron, eat right, exercise their arses off but after a certain time of life, all of that buff muscle and vigor starts to sag.

(I grew up with some famous muscle men making their marks in the media and now, when most are in their 70's, you can see the difference.)

Producing a kid when you're over 60 is considered a sign of virility, but by then a lifetime of exposure to everything will have altered the DNA in the reproductive system. Nothing in your body is as healthy as it was when you were 18. Your chances of producing a defective kid rise dramatically.

Plus, around 40, guys usually discover that they have a favorite chair. Decades of running ATV's and dirt bikes into trees has lost it's allure and their bodies are starting to make them pay for all of those broken bones and deep tissue injuries years ago.

I'm way past 40 and the very idea of waking up to a screaming poop machine in the middle of the night, every night makes me consider joining the Army. Know that car commercial where this guys two kids are washing the car -- with it's windows open, cleaning the vents with toothpaste, slopping soap and water on the upholstery?

Well, he grins and tells them they missed a spot. At my age, I'd consider homicide.

Farker syrynxx illustrated it perfectly. You have to be in your 20's or 30's to NOT want to pick up the kid and shove him back up where he came from to 'cook' a little longer.

See, nature is telling you something. Best to have kids when you're young enough to put up with their shiat but old enough to know it's wrong to nail them up in the shed out back and feed them through a slot in the door until they're 21.

Now, consider that you're past 50, had a kid and know that by the time he's 6, he's going to need extensive care to keep from hurting himself and others. Plus, the older he gets, the stronger he is. You've just reached the stage in life where you don't need to work two jobs and your wife one.
Now, you'll probably have to work three and your wife two. Care for the kid is going to be hideously expensive. The one thing that you can be assured of is that, this will NEVER end.

Over 50? Using Viagra? Two words: Birth Control.
 
2013-01-25 01:06:42 PM  

Rik01: I'm way past 40 and the very idea of waking up to a screaming poop machine in the middle of the night, every night makes me consider joining the Army.


I almost understand. Drill sergeants yell a lot but they generally don't poop all over.
 
2013-01-25 01:38:36 PM  

Kit Fister: You know, this is actually kinda interesting...we've seen the rise of mental illness in the past 10-20 years. .


Don't date a lot (wife won't let me), so I'll take your word for it.
 
2013-01-25 02:58:07 PM  

BinderWoman: I'm the youngest of 4 children; my dad was 48 & my mom was 37 when I was born. If they had been a few years older I could have been a schizophrenic, autistic, Down's Syndrome child.


...And still probably do a better job than any current congresscritter.

/worried enough that my hypothetical kid will be farked in the head due to being part me
 
2013-01-25 03:08:53 PM  

Shenanigans!: Kit Fister: You know, this is actually kinda interesting...we've seen the rise of mental illness in the past 10-20 years. Not surprisingly, over the same time frames, the average age of parents has gone up.

I have to wonder if there're hormonal things that happen in older parents that affect the health of the kid...

Is there really an increase in mental illnesses, or is it possible we're getting better at detecting them and more people are seeking help now than in the past because the stigma for seeking treatment has been decreasing? Hmm...


That would be an interesting thing to document.

/re: those potential schizophrenic children - what worries me is that its incurable, and currently well-nigh impossible to detect in a fetus so (unlike some of the Downs kids) they'll find out -after- they're born. (and probably after they're 15 or so)
 
2013-01-25 03:48:21 PM  
I've seen the young (asian) girl and the old (white) dude in the store with a baby in the high dollar stroller (that takes up the whole isle). The girl is dressed like she is headed for the club, kid screaming at the top of its lungs and the dude has dyed hair with the thousand yard stare and just looks dead inside.
 
2013-01-25 04:47:15 PM  
As the world economy becomes more complicated for humans to survive in, the average age of childbirth will inevitably increase due to longer and more competitive career tracks.
 
2013-01-25 05:47:55 PM  

nanim: Shenanigans!: Kit Fister: You know, this is actually kinda interesting...we've seen the rise of mental illness in the past 10-20 years. Not surprisingly, over the same time frames, the average age of parents has gone up.

I have to wonder if there're hormonal things that happen in older parents that affect the health of the kid...

Is there really an increase in mental illnesses, or is it possible we're getting better at detecting them and more people are seeking help now than in the past because the stigma for seeking treatment has been decreasing? Hmm...

That would be an interesting thing to document.

/re: those potential schizophrenic children - what worries me is that its incurable, and currently well-nigh impossible to detect in a fetus so (unlike some of the Downs kids) they'll find out -after- they're born. (and probably after they're 15 or so)


I remember reading somewhere that it's fairly common for schizophrenia to not manifest itself until the age of 30, and I don't know how much of it if any is due to genetics. There's no prenatal test for it anyway.
 
2013-01-25 06:56:29 PM  

syrynxx: Yeah but the frequency overall is less than 1%, and it's a scare tactic not to mention it.  Guys over 50 shouldn't decide to have kids or not have kids based on the risk of some rare disorder raising from 1 in 600 to 1 in 200.  They should decide because at that age, unless you're rich enough to afford a nanny, they're like the dark side of the Force.  Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny.


I've got a grandson living with me full time, I'm only in my late 40s. I'm SOOOOOOOOO glad he's not mine and I can just sit back or sleep in.
 
2013-01-25 11:58:33 PM  
Paternal age over 35 also presents a risk for autism and autism spectrum disorders (ASD), but don't tell Jenny McCarthy that.

It's always best to have them when you're young, if possible, but who doesn't know that. Well, I guess the batshiat insane dont. I do question the sanity of people who have them in their 40s and beyond. Maybe they think we'll figure out life extension within a decade, so they won't die before they see their kids graduate from college, after all. Yay.
 
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