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2013-01-25 02:20:42 PM
Wait, he sold the weapon to an undercover cop. Cops are allowed to have those weapons, so why is everyone making a big deal out of this?

also,
what a magazine clip might look like:
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2013-01-25 02:25:26 PM

JerseyTim: davidab: JerseyTim: Brazen gun dealer shows us how you sell guns on the streets of New York. You know, that city with all those laws the second lowest rate of gun deaths in the country.

So where is NYC on the total deaths? Oh and can you compare NYC to Chicago and DC please?

With an overall homicide rate of 6.3 per 100,0000, New York CIty is 46th out of 73 American cities with populations over 250,000. New Orleans has the highest rate (57.6) and Lincoln, Nebraska has the lowest (1.5).

And, no, you can't compare NYC to Chicago and DC. NYC is a much better city.


So what you are telling me is that despite the fact NYC has the the second lowest rate for gun murders, they do not have the second lowest rate of killings (46 out of 73)? I am shocked! NYC took away all the guns away and people are still killing each other! I also like how you avoided comparing the other two cities that are big on gun control who happen to have massive amounts of gun death.
 
2013-01-25 02:25:38 PM

MythDragon: Wait, he sold the weapon to an undercover cop. Cops are allowed to have those weapons, so why is everyone making a big deal out of this?

also,
what a magazine clip might look like:
[t3.gstatic.com image 248x204]


MythDragon: Wait, he sold the weapon to an undercover cop. Cops are allowed to have those weapons, so why is everyone making a big deal out of this?

also,
what a magazine clip might look like:
[t3.gstatic.com image 248x204]


Great! Now we have to ban clips.
 
2013-01-25 02:28:39 PM

Haliburton Cummings: DubyaHater: [dancingczars.files.wordpress.com image 504x367]

ahh the ol' Hitler gun control myth...

research...is fun

/yes it would require reading


Was it a myth when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
 
2013-01-25 02:30:29 PM

Deep Contact: Haliburton Cummings: DubyaHater: [dancingczars.files.wordpress.com image 504x367]

ahh the ol' Hitler gun control myth...

research...is fun

/yes it would require reading

Was it a myth when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?


No more than it was a myth the Germans have a base on the Moon, and that's where Hitler's brain is actually being kept...
 
2013-01-25 02:32:42 PM
Hahaha! Yeah, because pistols and shotguns are TOTES useless for self defense. I mean you might as well threaten your attacker with a wet noodle!

Hilarious.

I thought it was the lefties who were supposed to be the pants sh*tting cowards. Get your stories straight.

Seriously some of you are acting as if you live in a freaking war zone. Most cops do perfectly fine with their handguns and shotguns. If you can't defend yourself with those tools you should probably move somewhere a little safer.
 
2013-01-25 02:33:32 PM
Was the AR used in the Newtown shooting? I hear so many differing stories on this.
 
2013-01-25 02:34:56 PM

here to help: Hahaha! Yeah, because pistols and shotguns are TOTES useless for self defense. I mean you might as well threaten your attacker with a wet noodle!

Hilarious.

I thought it was the lefties who were supposed to be the pants sh*tting cowards. Get your stories straight.

Seriously some of you are acting as if you live in a freaking war zone. Most cops do perfectly fine with their handguns and shotguns. If you can't defend yourself with those tools you should probably move somewhere a little safer.


Please, continue to dictate what I can and cannot use to defend myself. I'm sure you're an expert on this subject.
 
2013-01-25 02:36:15 PM
BTW I think standing in front of your home/business and mowing people down with an uzi just because they want to steal/break your stuff counts as murder.
 
2013-01-25 02:36:17 PM

BigNumber12: davidab: However the language used is pandering to the fear mongering going on with these weapons.


Look at how well it's working on people. Like 9/11 all over again. People clamoring for the government to take whatever they want, just make them safe from that event that's statistically about as likely as being struck by lightning.

I'm sure that this first round of legislation will nip that problem right in the bud, too. After all, the first round of PATRIOT legislation worked just fine. No further restrictions and bannings, because the criminals just gave up, and didn't do anything like shifting tactics in response. Nope, when crimes committed with pistols are utterly unaffected by these laws, I'm certain that we won't see any legislation targeting them. After all, why does someone in an urban environment actually need a pistol? They aren't hunting with it.


Patriot Act lets them eavesdrop without a warrant
NDAA lets them detain you without Due Process if the government decides you are a terrorist
Second amendment put in place by people who just rebelled from their government and were labeled terrorists
Why do people want to keep these military style weapons?
Why were the hippies against Big Brother?

Why did they make songs with lyrics like this:
Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
You step out of line, the man come and take you away

We better stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
 
2013-01-25 02:39:49 PM

GUTSU: Please, continue to dictate what I can and cannot use to defend myself. I'm sure you're an expert on this subject.


You want a bazooka, don't you? How about some sarin gas or anthrax? I mean no one should tell YOU what is and isn't acceptable for self defense.
 
2013-01-25 02:42:29 PM

here to help: GUTSU: Please, continue to dictate what I can and cannot use to defend myself. I'm sure you're an expert on this subject.

You want a bazooka, don't you? How about some sarin gas or anthrax? I mean no one should tell YOU what is and isn't acceptable for self defense.


I've mined my lawn with claymores and bouncing betty's. I got tired of those uppity teenagers on my lawn.
 
2013-01-25 02:45:41 PM

here to help: BTW I think standing in front of your home/business and mowing people down with an uzi just because they want to steal/break your stuff counts as murder.


If a large group of people of people are in the process on breaking into my store, business, home, I'm not going to assume they want to "steal/break stuff" I'm going to assume they are going to kill me, and then steal my shiat.
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While you're letting the mob have it's way with your wife, I'll be defending myself like those fine korean gentlemen up there.
 
2013-01-25 02:45:44 PM

here to help: GUTSU: Please, continue to dictate what I can and cannot use to defend myself. I'm sure you're an expert on this subject.

You want a bazooka, don't you? How about some sarin gas or anthrax? I mean no one should tell YOU what is and isn't acceptable for self defense.


Only $350 - http://www.panzermeyerhelmets.com/bazookaforsale.htm

/fark throws the link away
 
2013-01-25 02:45:55 PM

here to help: Hahaha! Yeah, because pistols and shotguns are TOTES useless for self defense. I mean you might as well threaten your attacker with a wet noodle!

Hilarious.

I thought it was the lefties who were supposed to be the pants sh*tting cowards. Get your stories straight.

Seriously some of you are acting as if you live in a freaking war zone. Most cops do perfectly fine with their handguns and shotguns. If you can't defend yourself with those tools you should probably move somewhere a little safer.


Somewhere else? Like a place with armed guards? You know those are expensive for a reason.

Maybe move to Pearl Harbor. No one would ever attack you there.
 
2013-01-25 02:48:31 PM

IRQ12: Was the AR used in the Newtown shooting? I hear so many differing stories on this.


Yes.
 
2013-01-25 02:49:49 PM

GUTSU: If a large group of people of people are in the process on breaking into my store, business, home, I'm not going to assume they want to "steal/break stuff" I'm going to assume they are going to kill me, and then steal my shiat.


That is very improbable and that's what the shotgun/pistols are for. Blast your way out and get the f*ck out of there. You sure have some twisted, paranoid fantasies.
 
2013-01-25 02:52:09 PM

GUTSU: here to help: BTW I think standing in front of your home/business and mowing people down with an uzi just because they want to steal/break your stuff counts as murder.

If a large group of people of people are in the process on breaking into my store, business, home, I'm not going to assume they want to "steal/break stuff" I'm going to assume they are going to kill me, and then steal my shiat.
[4.bp.blogspot.com image 600x400]
While you're letting the mob have it's way with your wife, I'll be defending myself like those fine korean gentlemen up there.


A good citizen waits for the police to arrive and take a report.
 
2013-01-25 02:53:52 PM

here to help: GUTSU: Please, continue to dictate what I can and cannot use to defend myself. I'm sure you're an expert on this subject.

You want a bazooka, don't you? How about some sarin gas or anthrax? I mean no one should tell YOU what is and isn't acceptable for self defense.


Are you insinuating that sarin and anthrax are firearms, you do realize there are fundamental differences. You're comparing apples to lug bolts. Also, if someone is able to hop through the ATF hoops to be able to get a functional bazooka I don't see why they shouldn't be able to use it to defend themselves if they felt the need. It's their house, and the intruder was going to die one way or another.
 
2013-01-25 02:54:08 PM

here to help: Hahaha! Yeah, because pistols and shotguns are TOTES useless for self defense. I mean you might as well threaten your attacker with a wet noodle!

Hilarious.

I thought it was the lefties who were supposed to be the pants sh*tting cowards. Get your stories straight.

Seriously some of you are acting as if you live in a freaking war zone. Most cops do perfectly fine with their handguns and shotguns. If you can't defend yourself with those tools you should probably move somewhere a little safer.


Shotguns are great for your home. Rifles are necessary for defending your street, or neighborhood (Hurricane Katrina, Storm Sandy, LA Riots of 1992, 2011 England riots).

Rifles are also necessary to fight other people with rifles. The Second Amendment is not about defending your home from the "gangsters." The 2A is about fighting a tyrannical government to preserve freedom. Between Clinton, George W, and Obama, the last 20 years have increased the likely hood a dictator can come to power more than the rest of the presidents combined.

I think I can safely say very few of us want to live in a war zone (or even one without law enforcement); but if you were forced to, would you rather have a rifle or not? I want the choice to have a rifle.
 
2013-01-25 02:57:19 PM
And as usual the nutters are acting as if I said that all weapons should be forcibly taken away and smelted then crime victims should get on all fours and present their anuses for the inevitable gang rape.

Damn... and we were doing so well for a while there.

*fart*
 
2013-01-25 02:58:11 PM

here to help: GUTSU: If a large group of people of people are in the process on breaking into my store, business, home, I'm not going to assume they want to "steal/break stuff" I'm going to assume they are going to kill me, and then steal my shiat.

That is very improbable and that's what the shotgun/pistols are for. Blast your way out and get the f*ck out of there. You sure have some twisted, paranoid fantasies.


Yes, go out of the relatively safe, defensible building and onto the street with the mob, you know, the one that wants to kill you? Who knows maybe I'm wrong in thinking that it would be better having people funneled towards my gun, maybe it is better to be completely surrounded.
 
2013-01-25 03:00:24 PM

davidab: Shotguns are great for your home. Rifles are necessary for defending your street, or neighborhood (Hurricane Katrina, Storm Sandy, LA Riots of 1992, 2011 England riots).

Rifles are also necessary to fight other people with rifles. The Second Amendment is not about defending your home from the "gangsters." The 2A is about fighting a tyrannical government to preserve freedom. Between Clinton, George W, and Obama, the last 20 years have increased the likely hood a dictator can come to power more than the rest of the presidents combined.

I think I can safely say very few of us want to live in a war zone (or even one without law enforcement); but if you were forced to, would you rather have a rifle or not? I want the choice to have a rifle.


I didn't say all rifles should be banned. Show me where I said that.

And I got news for you... if the US government wanted to take you down there really isn't much you are gonna be able to do about it. Probably should have thought of that before dumping trillions into the military, huh?
 
2013-01-25 03:01:03 PM

davidab: here to help: Hahaha! Yeah, because pistols and shotguns are TOTES useless for self defense. I mean you might as well threaten your attacker with a wet noodle!

Hilarious.

I thought it was the lefties who were supposed to be the pants sh*tting cowards. Get your stories straight.

Seriously some of you are acting as if you live in a freaking war zone. Most cops do perfectly fine with their handguns and shotguns. If you can't defend yourself with those tools you should probably move somewhere a little safer.

Shotguns are great for your home. Rifles are necessary for defending your street, or neighborhood (Hurricane Katrina, Storm Sandy, LA Riots of 1992, 2011 England riots).

Rifles are also necessary to fight other people with rifles. The Second Amendment is not about defending your home from the "gangsters." The 2A is about fighting a tyrannical government to preserve freedom. Between Clinton, George W, and Obama, the last 20 years have increased the likely hood a dictator can come to power more than the rest of the presidents combined.

I think I can safely say very few of us want to live in a war zone (or even one without law enforcement); but if you were forced to, would you rather have a rifle or not? I want the choice to have a rifle.


Yeah, why hasn't the goverment stopped "gangsters?" Haven't they had enough time to do it?
 
2013-01-25 03:05:58 PM

here to help: And as usual the nutters are acting as if I said that all weapons should be forcibly taken away and smelted then crime victims should get on all fours and present their anuses for the inevitable gang rape.


I'm not a nutter, and you haven't responded to my question.
 
2013-01-25 03:06:38 PM

StoPPeRmobile: Yeah, why hasn't the goverment stopped "gangsters?" Haven't they had enough time to do it?


Corruption, a vested interest in keeping people scared to justify the current for profit justice system and an unwillingness to deal with true problem that inspires folks to turn to crime... which is... wait for it... poverty.

Ta da!
 
2013-01-25 03:09:18 PM

GUTSU: here to help: GUTSU: If a large group of people of people are in the process on breaking into my store, business, home, I'm not going to assume they want to "steal/break stuff" I'm going to assume they are going to kill me, and then steal my shiat.

That is very improbable and that's what the shotgun/pistols are for. Blast your way out and get the f*ck out of there. You sure have some twisted, paranoid fantasies.

Yes, go out of the relatively safe, defensible building and onto the street with the mob, you know, the one that wants to kill you? Who knows maybe I'm wrong in thinking that it would be better having people funneled towards my gun, maybe it is better to be completely surrounded.


Only if you practice the art of the Gun Katas.
 
2013-01-25 03:13:21 PM

BojanglesPaladin: I'm not a nutter, and you haven't responded to my question.


What question? All I see are attempts at justifying why you should be able to do whatever the hell you want despite the will of what is now becoming the majority of the people. That's right... most people are now in favor of at least some new gun control. In fact most of the stuff the president has proposed is EXACTLY what that majority want. So where's the problem? Do you not believe in democracy? Do you not respect the will of the people?
 
2013-01-25 03:15:01 PM

Kit Fister: GUTSU: here to help: GUTSU: If a large group of people of people are in the process on breaking into my store, business, home, I'm not going to assume they want to "steal/break stuff" I'm going to assume they are going to kill me, and then steal my shiat.

That is very improbable and that's what the shotgun/pistols are for. Blast your way out and get the f*ck out of there. You sure have some twisted, paranoid fantasies.

Yes, go out of the relatively safe, defensible building and onto the street with the mob, you know, the one that wants to kill you? Who knows maybe I'm wrong in thinking that it would be better having people funneled towards my gun, maybe it is better to be completely surrounded.

Only if you practice the art of the Gun Katas.


True, but I'm afraid that 'here to help' hasn't actually put all that much thought into "running into the crowd of hundred with a shotgun."
 
2013-01-25 03:18:36 PM

here to help: BojanglesPaladin: I'm not a nutter, and you haven't responded to my question.

What question? All I see are attempts at justifying why you should be able to do whatever the hell you want despite the will of what is now becoming the majority of the people. That's right... most people are now in favor of at least some new gun control. In fact most of the stuff the president has proposed is EXACTLY what that majority want. So where's the problem? Do you not believe in democracy? Do you not respect the will of the people?


Well it's a good thing we live in a republic then, tell me if the majority of people wanted the government to install cameras in everyone's home, would you have a problem with that? Do you not believe in democracy? Do you not respect the will of the people?
 
2013-01-25 03:21:53 PM

here to help: BTW I think standing in front of your home/business and mowing people down with an uzi just because they want to steal/break your stuff counts as murder.


Uzi's have been a controlled item forever - Gun Control Act of 1968 and before that the National Firearms act of 1934, and yes shooting someone trying to take your stuff is murder (depending on the state you live in).

That being said the Second Amendment and the primary reason we get to have these guns is not to stop a person from taking your TV. It is to stop a government from telling us we no longer have the right to protest their actions.

Take a group of protesters... People have a right to protest whatever they want as long as they do it peacefully and lawfully. What happens when law enforcement or the national guard gets called in to remove these people? They come in with riot gear, less lethal items like tear gas, and they have their rifles (M4s and M16s loaded with .223/5.56mm).

What if their orders were to arrest the protesters, even if the protesters were having a lawful demonstration?
What if a second group of protesters picks up where the first group left off, but they are armed? Now their demand is that they be allowed to protest and not be arrested unlawfully. How will law enforcement react? Some LE will refuse to obey orders, and some will continue to follow orders. If we are really lucky, a bloodbath does NOT follow.

That is the power of the second amendment.
Everything past this first show of arms is a fight to determine who is right, and it will likely be fought with bullets for a while before we get back to words.
 
2013-01-25 03:24:26 PM

here to help: What question? All I see are attempts at justifying why you should be able to do whatever the hell you want despite the will of what is now becoming the majority of the people. That's right... most people are now in favor of at least some new gun control.


First off, "Some measure of gun control" does not equal Fiensteins craptacular tiger attack preventing rock legislation. Many of us here have put forward reasonable and (most importantly) effective proposals.

But the question was:

"Also, are you comfortable dictating that your fellow citizens are only ever to be allowed the absolute minimum means of defending themselves? Why would we put the possibility of mis-use above the ability of fellow citizens being best able to defend themselves?"
 
2013-01-25 03:24:42 PM

GUTSU: True, but I'm afraid that 'here to help' hasn't actually put all that much thought into "running into the crowd of hundred with a shotgun."


Dude, you are not going to get swarmed by a rioting mob. If you ever end up in that situation any currently legal firearm isn't likely to help you much more than the ones I've suggested. You are ridiculous person spouting ridiculous hypotheticals. Please go look up how many people have been murdered in a riot in the last 20 years vs. the amount of... oh lets say accidental gun deaths. I think you'll notice a very significant gap between the two numbers. Hell... let's narrow it down even further. Go for accidental gun deaths of CHILDREN vs those killed in riots.

Now stop being silly.

Again... I am not anti gun. I'm anti irresponsible lunacy.
 
2013-01-25 03:28:25 PM

here to help: And as usual the nutters are acting as if I said that all weapons should be forcibly taken away and smelted then crime victims should get on all fours and present their anuses for the inevitable gang rape.

Damn... and we were doing so well for a while there.

*fart*


are you advocating the restriction of semi-automatic rifles?
 
2013-01-25 03:28:38 PM

BojanglesPaladin: First off, "Some measure of gun control" does not equal Fiensteins craptacular tiger attack preventing rock legislation. Many of us here have put forward reasonable and (most importantly) effective proposals.

But the question was:

"Also, are you comfortable dictating that your fellow citizens are only ever to be allowed the absolute minimum means of defending themselves? Why would we put the possibility of mis-use above the ability of fellow citizens being best able to defend themselves?


Did I say I supported Feinstein? And I hardly think pistols, rifles and shotguns constitute the minimum means of defending ones self. That would mean my wet noodle would be banned as well.

Alright... it's getting pretty derptacular in here so I'm gonna disengage from this "conversation". It's been a slice ya'll. Hope you had as much fun as I did.
 
2013-01-25 03:33:49 PM

here to help: GUTSU: If a large group of people of people are in the process on breaking into my store, business, home, I'm not going to assume they want to "steal/break stuff" I'm going to assume they are going to kill me, and then steal my shiat.

That is very improbable and that's what the shotgun/pistols are for. Blast your way out and get the f*ck out of there. You sure have some twisted, paranoid fantasies.


Please look to post 2013-01-25 02:45:41 PM with the picture of the Koreans in the LA Riots. That is a fringe benefit of the Second Amendment (still not the primary reason for the 2A). Still it can't be effectively accomplished with pistols and shotguns.
 
2013-01-25 03:38:11 PM

here to help: davidab: Shotguns are great for your home. Rifles are necessary for defending your street, or neighborhood (Hurricane Katrina, Storm Sandy, LA Riots of 1992, 2011 England riots).

And I got news for you... if the US government wanted to take you down there really isn't much you are gonna be able to do about it. Probably should have thought of that before dumping trillions into the military, huh?


If the government wants to get me, then they will as you say) take me down. If the government wants to control a population without slaughtering them with bombs, then they will have to fight with guns. What good is it to be king if you don't have subjects?
 
2013-01-25 03:51:37 PM

davidab: Please look to post 2013-01-25 02:45:41 PM with the picture of the Koreans in the LA Riots. That is a fringe benefit of the Second Amendment (still not the primary reason for the 2A). Still it can't be effectively accomplished with pistols and shotguns.


I've mentioned rifles multiple times already. I'm okay with rifles that don't fart out a hail of bullets with a mild suggestion. This is why these conversations are pointless. Nobody listens to what is said. They just see someone who is open to the idea of tightening up the laws a bit and start pounding away.

The funny part is that you hear the SCREAMS that Fark is some lefty gun grabbing utopia yet if you read this thread I am pretty much the only one here on the side of GC... and my views are actually pretty damned watered down.

Ya'll are so persecuted.

Here's an idea... how about look at the real issues behind gun violence? Dealing with poverty, the WoD and proper healthcare. But oh no... that's freaking communism. It's only become acceptable to discuss those things now that your guns are on the line. If the GC advocates said "fine... we'll leave the guns alone but we have to fix this other sh*t" then the kvetching about those issues would begin again and absolutely nothing would get done... as usual.

Pathetic.
 
2013-01-25 03:57:27 PM

here to help: BTW I think standing in front of your home/business and mowing people down with an uzi just because they want to steal/break your stuff counts as murder.


By the way, most 'gun nuts' do too.

I like guns. I have over 30. I carry a concealed handgun out about town. I dont condone laying automatic fire down because some people might want to get into you house.

/once they get *in*, though, thats a different matter.
 
2013-01-25 04:01:05 PM

MythDragon: here to help: BTW I think standing in front of your home/business and mowing people down with an uzi just because they want to steal/break your stuff counts as murder.

By the way, most 'gun nuts' do too.

I like guns. I have over 30. I carry a concealed handgun out about town. I dont condone laying automatic fire down because some people might want to get into you house.

/once they get *in*, though, thats a different matter.


Then you might want to have a talk with GUTSU because that seems to be acceptable to him. Makes your side of the debate look really bad. Of course I'll be the one who gets crapped on because... well I don't even freaking know.

I should have just stuck with the fart jokes.

*fart*
 
2013-01-25 04:02:27 PM

IRQ12: Was the AR used in the Newtown shooting? I hear so many differing stories on this.


I have reason to believe not and I know some of you will jump to the "truther" label but the news is too conflicting. In fact I am convinced Sandy Hook was a hoax and I know this might bother people but I mean seriously out of "600" kids they say attended the school we only get interviews of 3 sets parents? None of whom seem really affected by the loss. I have yet to hear from the staff about the incident cause come on the teachers didn't lose kids so that is just not CNN worthy.

There is a video of police pulling the shotgun out of the trunk. The video is odd because that appears to be the first place they look. Also according to various sources the car they read the license plate on belonged to someone named Rodia. Also there was only one ambulance on the scene. It's quite the convenient story, Sandy Hook massacre no survivors, nobody witnessing the shooting and getting away alive. I mean at least columbine had witnesses and video.

I have a hard time believing that if Sandy were true, that Adam/Ryan/Chris/whatever used an AR-15 style gun. I have shot them (S&W MP15 and Windham SRC) and I have a hard time thinking this was the primary weapon used considering other crimes where handguns were more efficient. Also Sig and Glock seem to be excluded from the whole thing but not Bushmaster....

Sandy Hook seems like a blanket story for crowd control and also money control. It was reported that MagPro the makers of 30 round mags for AR-15 style weapons did 4 years business in just 6 days once this went viral. And now when I go to gun shows I see these weapons on sale for $2000.00 and up when the actual market value is around $900.

Sandy Hook just seems like a modern Operation Gladio (CIA BlackOp in cold war era)
 
2013-01-25 04:19:37 PM

POO_FLINGA: IRQ12: Was the AR used in the Newtown shooting? I hear so many differing stories on this.

I have reason to believe not and I know some of you will jump to the "truther" label but the news is too conflicting. In fact I am convinced Sandy Hook was a hoax and I know this might bother people but I mean seriously out of "600" kids they say attended the school we only get interviews of 3 sets parents? None of whom seem really affected by the loss. I have yet to hear from the staff about the incident cause come on the teachers didn't lose kids so that is just not CNN worthy.

There is a video of police pulling the shotgun out of the trunk. The video is odd because that appears to be the first place they look. Also according to various sources the car they read the license plate on belonged to someone named Rodia. Also there was only one ambulance on the scene. It's quite the convenient story, Sandy Hook massacre no survivors, nobody witnessing the shooting and getting away alive. I mean at least columbine had witnesses and video.

I have a hard time believing that if Sandy were true, that Adam/Ryan/Chris/whatever used an AR-15 style gun. I have shot them (S&W MP15 and Windham SRC) and I have a hard time thinking this was the primary weapon used considering other crimes where handguns were more efficient. Also Sig and Glock seem to be excluded from the whole thing but not Bushmaster....

Sandy Hook seems like a blanket story for crowd control and also money control. It was reported that MagPro the makers of 30 round mags for AR-15 style weapons did 4 years business in just 6 days once this went viral. And now when I go to gun shows I see these weapons on sale for $2000.00 and up when the actual market value is around $900.

Sandy Hook just seems like a modern Operation Gladio (CIA BlackOp in cold war era)


Holy Moly.
 
2013-01-25 04:29:24 PM
Argue away. As a responsible gun owner I can tell you this: should the government ever pass a law saying my personal firearms are now not allowed, I won't be turning them in.

It was wrong for southern states to pass laws that violated peoples' civil rights in the old days. It's equally wrong for states to pass laws that violates people's civil rights today. It is my right to be possessed of the means to protect me and mine. Just because it's fashionable to be against this civil right (just like it was fashionable to be against "the darkies" way back when) doesn't mean it's any more right.

And yeah, I deliberately used the word "responsible". My civil rights can't be magically turned into a crime no matter how much some wish it could be done.
 
2013-01-25 05:14:20 PM

here to help: StoPPeRmobile: Yeah, why hasn't the goverment stopped "gangsters?" Haven't they had enough time to do it?

Corruption, a vested interest in keeping people scared to justify the current for profit justice system and an unwillingness to deal with true problem that inspires folks to turn to crime... which is... wait for it... poverty.

Ta da!


Can't have rich without poor. Hell, even communists have rich people.
 
2013-01-25 05:18:08 PM
IRQ12:Holy Moly.

Don't take my word for it, I am just skeptical on the thing. I did not jump on the conspiracy train during 9/11, Aurora and such but there are a few videos out there that point out items that make you ponder the possibility. I find it funny that there is one video of Newtown people not knowing the mother or the child at all and was like they just kept to themselves. Then there is the very awkward picture of the kid with the president. It was brought up on Anderson Cooper but the fathers response was "America should be worried about justice and blah". I know if I was that father and someone was saying my dead daughters death was fake, I would clear that shiat up real quick. I also think its freaky weird that nobody cries. I mean no tears at all. Hell I cried when Mickey died on Rocky.

Here just watch for yourself - The Sandy Hook Shooting - Fully Exposed

Fake witnesses
 
2013-01-25 05:21:47 PM

POO_FLINGA: Here just watch for yourself - The Sandy Hook Shooting - Fully Exposed


Keep up the good work.
 
2013-01-25 05:56:10 PM

POO_FLINGA: IRQ12:Holy Moly.

Don't take my word for it, I am just skeptical on the thing. I did not jump on the conspiracy train during 9/11, Aurora and such but there are a few videos out there that point out items that make you ponder the possibility. I find it funny that there is one video of Newtown people not knowing the mother or the child at all and was like they just kept to themselves. Then there is the very awkward picture of the kid with the president. It was brought up on Anderson Cooper but the fathers response was "America should be worried about justice and blah". I know if I was that father and someone was saying my dead daughters death was fake, I would clear that shiat up real quick. I also think its freaky weird that nobody cries. I mean no tears at all. Hell I cried when Mickey died on Rocky.

Here just watch for yourself - The Sandy Hook Shooting - Fully Exposed

Fake witnesses


lh3.ggpht.com
 
2013-01-25 05:58:13 PM

here to help: Did I say I supported Feinstein?


I have no idea. I was referring to the current gun control legislation which, forgive me, seems germaine. But since you broached the topic of your stance and that of Feinstein, do you NOT support her bill? You don't really say. Your comments would suggest an affinity for her stance at least.

here to help: Alright... it's getting pretty derptacular in here so I'm gonna disengage from this "conversation".


So... then no answer. Disapointing, but not suprising.

here to help: The funny part is that you hear the SCREAMS that Fark is some lefty gun grabbing utopia yet if you read this thread I am pretty much the only one here on the side of GC


This thread is not typical. But, yes, you are being out-argued by a few well-informed and reasonable posters (I exclude myself from consideration). I can see why you opted to cry derp and bail, trather than trying to continue a discussion where you are so clearly... outgunned.
 
2013-01-25 05:59:05 PM

Kit Fister: WordyGrrl: Some of these arguments would be ridiculous if they were referencing medicine. Just because you can't eliminate a problem 100% doesn't mean you shouldn't pursue harm reduction.

And if those medicines/drugs were widely available from other sources illegally, people would still take them. It's a good thing we have that war on drugs, otherwise millions wouldn't be addicted to coc-wait, no, they are. Well, weed then...oops, my bad... Meth? Hmmm, nope, that's pretty prolific too...What about regulated prescription meds that are only taken by doctor's directives? What? people still buy and take those all the time illegally? Well, shiat, isn't there ANYTHING that restricting drugs has done for us to reduce harm? What's that you say? Nearly 60% of non-suicide gun crimes are related to drugs/gangs that sell drugs? And over 80% of our federal prison population is because of drugs?

Yep, that pursuit of harm reduction sure did prove effective there, WordyGrrl!


So, you advocate the elimination of all laws "because people just break them anyway?" I'm not sure you understand the concept of "harm reduction," either. And the "War on Drugs" is a pretty crappy analogy. Had it been a "War on Drug Abuse?" That would be a much different story and a much more rational approach to the real issue: addiction and abuse (misuse).
 
2013-01-25 06:09:11 PM

BojanglesPaladin: here to help: Did I say I supported Feinstein?

I have no idea. I was referring to the current gun control legislation which, forgive me, seems germaine. But since you broached the topic of your stance and that of Feinstein, do you NOT support her bill? You don't really say. Your comments would suggest an affinity for her stance at least.

here to help: Alright... it's getting pretty derptacular in here so I'm gonna disengage from this "conversation".

So... then no answer. Disapointing, but not suprising.

here to help: The funny part is that you hear the SCREAMS that Fark is some lefty gun grabbing utopia yet if you read this thread I am pretty much the only one here on the side of GC

This thread is not typical. But, yes, you are being out-argued by a few well-informed and reasonable posters (I exclude myself from consideration). I can see why you opted to cry derp and bail, trather than trying to continue a discussion where you are so clearly... outgunned.


lulz
 
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