CPennypacker: Yes, you keep telling yourself that. You're being "reasonable" and rest of us are just derpers. Whatever makes you feel better.Some of you aren't, but you definitely are
syrynxx: A "high-capacity" magazine is also a misleading, artificial term. The Glock 17 is issued with a 17-round magazine. That is not a high-capacity magazine, it is standard-capacity. The M-16 and AR-15 most commonly use a 30-round magazine. That is not a high-capacity magazine, it is standard-capacity.
Glicky: It's a marketing term and therefore useless...
Frank N Stein: Any Farkers own a Garand?
Thunderpipes: The price now for an M1A like mine has more than doubled, if you can find one at all. Cheapest I have seen was an auction starting at $2500. I cannot find a matching numbers WW II Garand, which is my goal
djh0101010: Matching numbers on any Garand is going to be a tough one. Most didn't even match from the factory...
RidgeRunner5: I've got a 6 digit Springfield, but it was rebarrelled in .308. Looking through websites, the serial puts it at around Spring '42.
djh0101010: I don't know, ask Jared LoughnerSorry, which clever point are you making?So, I have a suggestion. Instead of an assault weapons or big magazines ban, can we do something that actually works and historically both sides of the gun control debate have supported? Project Exile was an experiment in the 90s in Virginia. It created mandatory jail time for felons in possession of a gun, mandatory additional jail time for a criminal who uses a gun in a crime. Violent crime went down, double digit percents, year after year, as a result.Can we do that instead? Punish the actual offenders of the 97% of gun related deaths? The brady campaign, AND the NRA both supported this measure, by the way. Can we try that nationally, instead of focusing on something that punishes the law abiding people?
the_han: panty waisted effeminate anti gunners
FlashHarry: ...i just still haven't had anyone give me a valid argument why a civilian needs to be able to fire more than ten rounds at a time. and that goes for handguns, too, not just ARs...
FlashHarry: i've been told repeatedly on this forum that there is NO DIFFERENCE between an "assault rifle" and a regular rifle other than cosmetics.
FlashHarry: i'll speak slowly: i'm talking about not needing an AR with a 30-round clip. i'm saying you can still play soldier with a 10-round clip that's made to look like a 30-round clip.
pedrop357: dittybopper: ph0rk: dittybopper: Democratic Party was doing real well in 1993. They controlled both houses of Congress with healthy majorities, and the presidency. Then they got their asses handed to them because of the Brady Bill and the original Assault Weapons BanPerhaps. I don't think they'll be singing the same tune this time - Gay rights and immigration will be much larger planks in the platform, and people get a lot more worked up about those issues, or have lately. I expect these bills to go nowhere fast and the issue to more or less die within six months. What they are doing now is probably just posturing, but that's the game.They are putting an awful lot of effort into it. More than I would expect if it were just a sop to the very liberal wing.This.It's not just an appeal to their base. So far, the old guard in that party appears to be willing to put it all the line just to climb onto that aging hobby horse one more time.
CPennypacker: Meh I'm lukewarm on the whole assault weapon thing. I was referring to sensible regulations like magazine size limits, which are always met with the "It only happened a few times so we shouldn't do it" style arguments you saw me dealing with above.
FlashHarry: Giltric: FlashHarry: if it saves even one lifeEven with the low end of defensive gun use estimates which sit around 100k from the Brady bunch wouldn't you be risking more lives than saving them?lolwut?are you saying that people need 30-round magazines to defend their homes?
FlashHarry: so, ok then... the argument against banning high-capacity magazines is that it's inconvenient to have to load magazines more often? well, we do lots of things that are inconvenient in the name of safety.
justtray: kapaso: dittybopper: kapaso: Arms is very broad term and arms are already heavily restricted and it is not a constitutional issue. Do you believe I should be able to have a nuclear weapon becuase the constitution says I have a right to bear arms?That argument you are making is known as "The Nuclear Straw Man".Pointing out that arms is a broad term and that arms are already subject to regulation is a fallacy?Is conservipedia your goto source for information?To be fair, conservatives don't understand fallacies.
HeadLever: FlashHarry: DownTheRabbitHole: FlashHarry: Minus 1 Charisma: Do you know how long it takes to switch magazines in..well..any firearm? Roughly 0 seconds. I dont understand the purpose of this at all.then why do you need a magazine that holds more than, say 10 rounds?Because reloading mags at the range is time consuming"roughly 0 seconds" is time consuming?Reloading the magazines with cartidges is not the same as switching them out of the firearm.
FlashHarry: DownTheRabbitHole: FlashHarry: Minus 1 Charisma: Do you know how long it takes to switch magazines in..well..any firearm? Roughly 0 seconds. I dont understand the purpose of this at all.then why do you need a magazine that holds more than, say 10 rounds?Because reloading mags at the range is time consuming"roughly 0 seconds" is time consuming?
DownTheRabbitHole: FlashHarry: Minus 1 Charisma: Do you know how long it takes to switch magazines in..well..any firearm? Roughly 0 seconds. I dont understand the purpose of this at all.then why do you need a magazine that holds more than, say 10 rounds?Because reloading mags at the range is time consuming
StoPPeRmobile: Holocaust Agnostic: ph0rk: Ivandrago: Did you even read the rest of my post? There are "normal" people who own guns.Yes, but the political stage requires more than "normal" people with guns; it requires a "normal people" gun lobby.You point out what is currently proposed and will not work. What, please tell us, will work that has not been proposed?Closing the private sales loophole. Reasonable rules about storage. Proper mental health reporting to nics. A gun license.I want a voting license. It's reasonable. How can you be against something that is reasonable?Close the voting loophole!
kapaso: Dimensio: kapaso: Get rid of semi automatic guns, that will work.Please explain how a prohibition that will result in substantial noncompliance and that would likely not survive a Constitutional challenge will "work".It already works just fine in Canada and in case your an idiot semi autos didn't exist when the constitution was written so the 2nd clearly wasn't written with them in mind.
Frank N Stein: I would speak to Biden on the issue. He seems reasonable enough. Feinstein, however, set the gun control bar too high for me being interested in meeting her at the negotiation table.
Frank N Stein: Any Farkers own a Garand? Putting in my order to the CMP today for an M1, a bayonet, and a couple hundred rounds of 30-06.[www.tri-eagle-firearms.com image 850x558]
Giltric: The answer is perception. According to a 1988 report by the Violence Policy Center, an anti-gun lobby:[H]andgun restriction is simply not viewed as a priority. Assault weapons ... are a new topic. The weapons' menacing looks, coupled with the public's confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons-anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun-can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons.
syrynxx: An "assault weapon" is a political term only, and unless you live in a state like California or Connecticut with a state law, there is no such thing as an assault weapon under current laws.
Citrate1007: Radical gun nuts are attracted to "assault weapons" because they get a power trip liking themselves to Rambo. This god complex is often present in sociopath so there is a reason why they are often used for mass murder. The thing is, if you deny them the shiny Rambo guns it will not stop their god complex. They will just bust a nut over whatever weapon they can find that makes them feel powerful.
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