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2013-01-25 01:26:25 PM  
Based on this thread an assault weapon is just a feeling, not an actual gun or anything.
 
2013-01-25 01:27:46 PM  

pedrop357: StoPPeRmobile: Every right should have safe, sane, and reasonable restrictions, for the protection of society.

Are you antisocial?

Agreed. The 2nd amendment and general right to bear arms doesn't protect:
-a person brandishing, pointing, or shooting firearm at another person except in cases of self defense
-firing a gun in the air,
-discharging a gun in congested areas except for self defense, firing at an indoor range, etc.

There are your safe, sane, and reasonable restrictions, for the protection of society.


All rights!

You can't pick the ones you like today. You might get old, decrepit, and senile one day and want to own a murder machine. Society can't allow that. Society demands that feeling of safety. How else are going to get people into their 2 ton plastic and steel, deathtraps, so they can work to death like the peasants they are.

Peasant should have all rights restricted. I can't be any plainer than that. For society benefit do we all bow, except rich people. They are our superiors and only they shall dictate to us. If only we could have this perfect world.
 
2013-01-25 01:28:37 PM  

FlashHarry


shooters in the past have been stopped when swapping mags. jared laughner, for one.


And for two?

For three?
 
2013-01-25 01:28:55 PM  

Kit Fister: Does it really count as "Before" the crazy, if you, yourself, ARE the crazy?


www.ar15.com

and


sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net

you gotta do better than that Kid Fister.
/go cry
 
2013-01-25 01:29:49 PM  

pedrop357: dittybopper: Things *ARE* different this time, though: AR-15's are pretty much ubiquitous now unlike in 1994, and gun ownership isn't necessarily frowned upon in the popular entertainment media. Most handguns are semi-autos, and the majority of semi-auto handguns have a capacity of at least 10 rounds.

Plus, we have something we didn't have in 1994: The Heller and McDonald decisions. They don't preclude regulation, of course, but we didn't have a Supreme Court decision back in 1994 that said outright bans on common guns are unconstitutional, and we now have *TWO*.

Still, I'd much rather not have to fight it in court and possibly lose, though fighting it in court and winning would settle the matter once and for all.

Internet access also means reaching a much wider audience and pointing them to the facts. it also allows for fantastic grass roots organizing as we saw on the 18th.

Unless the court goes crazy, the semi-auto ban should fail any strict scrutiny tests and any kind of common use or unusual weapons standards. It would be nice to see safe congressmen/women and a lame duck president tank the party AND open the door to those state bans they love so much being tossed out.


Reminds me of how self-restricted towards adult content prior to the 1996 Telecom Act. Those idiots opened the floodgates.

/unintended consequences
 
2013-01-25 01:31:35 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: FlashHarry

shooters in the past have been stopped when swapping mags. jared laughner, for one.


And for two?

For three?


i believe someone posted the thurston high school shooting in 1993 and the subway shooting in 1998. both involved people being stopped after runnign out of ammo or reloading, thought the 1998 subway shooting was in gun control paradise NYC and the people didn't rush him until he was on his 3rd magazine.

Mass shooters in the 14 years after that subway shooting apparently learned about moving and bringing extra magazines to avoid that particular problem.
 
2013-01-25 01:31:44 PM  

pedrop357: dittybopper: Things *ARE* different this time, though: AR-15's are pretty much ubiquitous now unlike in 1994, and gun ownership isn't necessarily frowned upon in the popular entertainment media. Most handguns are semi-autos, and the majority of semi-auto handguns have a capacity of at least 10 rounds.

Plus, we have something we didn't have in 1994: The Heller and McDonald decisions. They don't preclude regulation, of course, but we didn't have a Supreme Court decision back in 1994 that said outright bans on common guns are unconstitutional, and we now have *TWO*.

Still, I'd much rather not have to fight it in court and possibly lose, though fighting it in court and winning would settle the matter once and for all.

Internet access also means reaching a much wider audience and pointing them to the facts. it also allows for fantastic grass roots organizing as we saw on the 18th.

Unless the court goes crazy, the semi-auto ban should fail any strict scrutiny tests and any kind of common use or unusual weapons standards. It would be nice to see safe congressmen/women and a lame duck president tank the party AND open the door to those state bans they love so much being tossed out.


I'm personally not worried about a semi-auto ban: That's not on the table.

What is on the table is stuff like requiring *ALL* gun purchases to go through NICS, and magazine capacity limitations. That's the kind of stuff I'm worried about.
 
2013-01-25 01:33:38 PM  

pedrop357: Englebert Slaptyback: FlashHarry

shooters in the past have been stopped when swapping mags. jared laughner, for one.


And for two?

For three?

i believe someone posted the thurston high school shooting in 1993 and the subway shooting in 1998. both involved people being stopped after runnign out of ammo or reloading, thought the 1998 subway shooting was in gun control paradise NYC and the people didn't rush him until he was on his 3rd magazine.

Mass shooters in the 14 years after that subway shooting apparently learned about moving and bringing extra magazines to avoid that particular problem.


Also: Bringing a back-up gun.

Most spree shooters nowadays pack more than one gun.
 
2013-01-25 01:36:24 PM  

CPennypacker: LIRR Massacre - 1993

Link

Thurston High School Massacre - 1998

Link

Thats two from a 5 second google with no effort. Plus Tuscon. And I'm sure if I wanted to put the effort into it I'd find more.

But carry on with the "it wouldn't do ANYTHING so we shouldn't do it" BS


Well, if you want to argue, LIPR guy fired 30 rounds before being tackled.  30-round mags may not have made any difference.  It's harder to suggest the Thurston shooter wouldn't have been hampered by a smaller mag (it sounds like he had a 50-round mag for the rifle - .22 cal is a very different beast because the rounds are so small, you can fit tons of ammo in a very small space).

And, of course, Giffords' shooter was tackled during mag swap-out.

It should be noted, though, that because we can list the times it has mattered suggests how infrequently it matters.

/Still waiting for Aurora theater shooting report.  I wonder if it's out on wikipedia...
 
2013-01-25 01:37:46 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-25 01:38:15 PM  

Trapper439:

Fark your hobby.


And that, my shooting friends, is how we know we must fight this battle like it's the last one, because it is.
 
2013-01-25 01:38:20 PM  

pedrop357: StoPPeRmobile: Every right should have safe, sane, and reasonable restrictions, for the protection of society.

Are you antisocial?

Agreed. The 2nd amendment and general right to bear arms doesn't protect:
-a person brandishing, pointing, or shooting firearm at another person except in cases of self defense
-firing a gun in the air,
-discharging a gun in congested areas except for self defense, firing at an indoor range, etc.

There are your safe, sane, and reasonable restrictions, for the protection of society.


That's just one ammendment. There are plenty of others. Like the 18th ammendment. We should require licensing, medical, psychiactric, and background checks for citizens that wish to utilize their right to own and operate alcoholic beverages. Think of all the people that die, every year, due to DUI fatalities or medical conditions brought about by alcohol. The numbers of people harmed, killed, or murdered because of the excersise of this right, is simply staggering.

Or the Nineteeth Ammendment. How many mass shooting have there been since that right was secured?

The fifth ammendment is nothing more than a roadblock to the safety of society. How many murderers got away with murding innocent and helpless, woman and children?

How about the Thirteenth Ammendment to the Constitution? There were no black Military-styled AR-15 type Assualt murder death machines in the hands of civilians prior to it's passage.

I could go on.
 
2013-01-25 01:39:19 PM  

Oblio13: Trapper439:

Fark your hobby.

And that, my shooting friends, is how we know we must fight this battle like it's the last one, because it is.


It also shows how reasonable and sensible they are, and how rational and mature they are during the 'conversation' their side so desperately claims to want.
 
2013-01-25 01:39:34 PM  

Haliburton Cummings: Kit Fister: Does it really count as "Before" the crazy, if you, yourself, ARE the crazy?

[www.ar15.com image 500x346]

and


[sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net image 420x294]

you gotta do better than that Kid Fister.
/go cry


I just observe facts, my friend. World class trolling though. :)
 
2013-01-25 01:41:31 PM  

vygramul: /Still waiting for Aurora theater shooting report. I wonder if it's out on wikipedia...


IIRC he was just hanging out by his or in his car.....

He may even have had time to leave but I think he wanted the headlines and the media obliged him.
 
2013-01-25 01:45:47 PM  
Why don't we just ban murder?
 
2013-01-25 01:46:44 PM  

vygramul: CPennypacker: LIRR Massacre - 1993

Link

Thurston High School Massacre - 1998

Link

Thats two from a 5 second google with no effort. Plus Tuscon. And I'm sure if I wanted to put the effort into it I'd find more.

But carry on with the "it wouldn't do ANYTHING so we shouldn't do it" BS

Well, if you want to argue, LIPR guy fired 30 rounds before being tackled.  30-round mags may not have made any difference.  It's harder to suggest the Thurston shooter wouldn't have been hampered by a smaller mag (it sounds like he had a 50-round mag for the rifle - .22 cal is a very different beast because the rounds are so small, you can fit tons of ammo in a very small space).

And, of course, Giffords' shooter was tackled during mag swap-out.

It should be noted, though, that because we can list the times it has mattered suggests how infrequently it matters.

/Still waiting for Aurora theater shooting report.  I wonder if it's out on wikipedia...


If we can list times that it matterd it also means that there are times when it matters

It kills me how many of the arguments gun nuts make cannibalize other arguments gun nuts make

Like limiting magazine size won't make a difference because it takes 0 seconds to reload, but we can't limit magazine size because x bullets in the magazine may not be enough to defend your home from murdering rapist zombie looters.

Or banning guns won't do anything because the maniacs will just use knives or hammers, which are just as deadly, but don't ban guns because I need them to defend myself, even though I have a knife and a hammer.
 
2013-01-25 01:47:20 PM  

Ivandrago: I went to gym (25 minutes blah blah), are lunch, went to Lowe's and checked this thread and exactly what happens when people discuss guns is happening.
People for gun control are trotting out the same tired arguments about owning nuclear weapons and stinger missiles and saying the constitution was written before repeating arms so they're not covered by the constitution.
People against gun control (usually the people who know about guns) are trying to explain that generally, the proposed legislation does very little to address the problems of gun crime and gun violence.
And this is what is so frustrating.
I am on the left side of virtually ever debate. I voted for Obama twice (the first time I stayed awake until ass late at night to watch the inauguration because I was in Iraq at the time). Hell, I even voted for Nader in 2000 (from South Carolina, so my vote didn't count anyway). But as soon as you talk about guns, the left gets all derpy.
You're not going to get the type of gun control you want. I'm very sorry, but there are enough people in the country who think differently than you do that can match your votes and keep it from happening. So instead of focusing on things that make no difference like bayonet lugs, pistol grips, folding buttstocks, or other military style features that you don't understand. Bring something to the discussion that will help. Listen to the people who know about what you're trying to regulate.
The President's executive orders are a good start. I agree with all of them. I have taken advantage of the gun show loophole myself and as much as I enjoy not having to pay a transfer fee, I can see how someone could use it to get around a background check that they cannot pass. It should go.
I'm all for licensing tests. I'd be OK with having serial numbered and registered gun safes so when they look up your background you have to have a gun safe registered with the government in order to purchase a gun. I think that could help with stolen guns be ...


I may be your political opposite, for real. You're a lefty who owns guns and I'm a conservative libertarian (I voted for w the first time and romney - I'm in a swing state, but all libertarians for every other election in my entire life). I am totally pro-2nd amendment and think people should be able to own fully automatic weapons and hand grenades if they want.

That said, I think you made some interesting points. Thanks.
 
2013-01-25 01:47:25 PM  

vygramul: ...Still waiting for Aurora theater shooting report...


I got to hear a law enforcement analysis of it. What disturbed me most is that no one "attacked the attacker". He was wearing a fogged-up gas mask with no peripheral vision. There were many people to his sides and rear within touching distance. Several described being hit by his ejected brass. Yet not one made an attempt at active resistance, even when he was fumbling with things. The universal reactions were to run or cower. He executed people at will until he got tired of it and went outside and gave up. Have Americans really become this conditioned to behave like victims?
 
2013-01-25 01:47:43 PM  

DownTheRabbitHole: Please don't say "clip". It's a magazine. Always.


Well, except when I'm using my father in law's M1 Garand. Then it's a clip.
 
2013-01-25 01:49:40 PM  
 
2013-01-25 01:50:08 PM  

Oblio13: vygramul: ...Still waiting for Aurora theater shooting report...

I got to hear a law enforcement analysis of it. What disturbed me most is that no one "attacked the attacker". He was wearing a fogged-up gas mask with no peripheral vision. There were many people to his sides and rear within touching distance. Several described being hit by his ejected brass. Yet not one made an attempt at active resistance, even when he was fumbling with things. The universal reactions were to run or cower. He executed people at will until he got tired of it and went outside and gave up. Have Americans really become this conditioned to behave like victims?


This. People are scaredy piss-pants that someone can fire for minutes and minutes? Throw a coat at him. Jump on him. School shooting? Why can't the teachers throw a chair or something? Just that would probably be enough to make the shooter panic.

Yes, Americans are pussies now, big time. They probably think the shooter is a bully, and they must wait to call the principal, police, or their mommies.
 
2013-01-25 01:50:16 PM  

Saiga410: Mikey1969: Saiga410: Mikey1969: Saiga410: You call that an assault weapon? Now this is a scary assault weapon.

I like that a lot. The pistols are a bit much, but that might be fun to shoot, and when compared to my .45 small frame pistol, I bet there would be almost no recoil.

Yep it is fun but under my reading of the Feinstein bill it would be considered an assault weapon. Rotating cylinder shotgun.

How much is that going for(Pre-Panic prices, of course)?

Just checked and Gander Mountain has it at ~$530.


Damn, that's not bad at all... 1st purchase will be the .357 I want, then a 10/22, and then maybe one of these things... Gonna take awhile, hope the price holds.
 
2013-01-25 01:50:43 PM  

CPennypacker: f we can list times that it matterd it also means that there are times when it matters

It kills me how many of the arguments gun nuts make cannibalize other arguments gun nuts make

Like limiting magazine size won't make a difference because it takes 0 seconds to reload, but we can't limit magazine size because x bullets in the magazine may not be enough to defend your home from murdering rapist zombie looters.

Or banning guns won't do anything because the maniacs will just use knives or hammers, which are just as deadly, but don't ban guns because I need them to defend myself, even though I have a knife and a hammer.


You seem to think that a guy shooting fish in a barrel has the same constraints as a person defending themselves against one or more attackers.

Magazine capacity matters when facing multiple attackers when any pause means being overtaken. It's not nearly as significant when it's one guy catching unarmed people by surprise.

Two people trying to attack one person with a hammer will end up inflicting significant damage on one person defending themselves with nothing more than a hammer. A person with a hammer can inflict significant damage against unarmed people.
 
2013-01-25 01:51:36 PM  

Thunderpipes: Oblio13: vygramul: ...Still waiting for Aurora theater shooting report...

I got to hear a law enforcement analysis of it. What disturbed me most is that no one "attacked the attacker". He was wearing a fogged-up gas mask with no peripheral vision. There were many people to his sides and rear within touching distance. Several described being hit by his ejected brass. Yet not one made an attempt at active resistance, even when he was fumbling with things. The universal reactions were to run or cower. He executed people at will until he got tired of it and went outside and gave up. Have Americans really become this conditioned to behave like victims?

This. People are scaredy piss-pants that someone can fire for minutes and minutes? Throw a coat at him. Jump on him. School shooting? Why can't the teachers throw a chair or something? Just that would probably be enough to make the shooter panic.

Yes, Americans are pussies now, big time. They probably think the shooter is a bully, and they must wait to call the principal, police, or their mommies.


More hero fantasy bullshiat. Lets see how you two react when you're in a dark, crowded theater and some maniac bursts in armed to the teeth and starts mowing people down. I'm sure you'd be the first ones to jump on him.
 
2013-01-25 01:51:40 PM  

Thunderpipes: Why don't we just ban murder?


We could do like hate crimes and make "using a weapon with the intent to kill more than 3 people in a mass murder" a federal crime and pretty much end the whole thing. Murder someone? That's a state crime. Murder 4 people with a gun from our list? Oh, now that is a federal crime.

Should work, right?
 
2013-01-25 01:52:09 PM  

Oblio13: I got to hear a law enforcement analysis of it. What disturbed me most is that no one "attacked the attacker". He was wearing a fogged-up gas mask with no peripheral vision. There were many people to his sides and rear within touching distance. Several described being hit by his ejected brass. Yet not one made an attempt at active resistance, even when he was fumbling with things. The universal reactions were to run or cower. He executed people at will until he got tired of it and went outside and gave up. Have Americans really become this conditioned to behave like victims?


I think the fight or flight response veers strongly towards flight when you're not armed and you realize he is. It seems like a heck of a threshold to convince yourself to cross.
 
2013-01-25 01:52:21 PM  

kapaso: Get rid of semi automatic guns, that will work. The line is nice and clear and the gun nuts can finally stop whining about normenclature. Basically the US could use the same restrictions as Canada.


Sure, go ahead and try that. Start with the criminals, once you have all of their guns, then we can talk about mine.
 
2013-01-25 01:53:35 PM  

Giltric: How to stop mass shootings by ColionNoir


THIS! Follow with his vids on magazine capacity and concealed carry.
 
2013-01-25 01:53:56 PM  

pedrop357: CPennypacker: f we can list times that it matterd it also means that there are times when it matters

It kills me how many of the arguments gun nuts make cannibalize other arguments gun nuts make

Like limiting magazine size won't make a difference because it takes 0 seconds to reload, but we can't limit magazine size because x bullets in the magazine may not be enough to defend your home from murdering rapist zombie looters.

Or banning guns won't do anything because the maniacs will just use knives or hammers, which are just as deadly, but don't ban guns because I need them to defend myself, even though I have a knife and a hammer.

You seem to think that a guy shooting fish in a barrel has the same constraints as a person defending themselves against one or more attackers.

Magazine capacity matters when facing multiple attackers when any pause means being overtaken. It's not nearly as significant when it's one guy catching unarmed people by surprise.


But I thought reloading takes 0 seconds. It doesn't even matter, right? Oh, but it matters now, got it. You have to power to warp time in order to justify your crappy arguments.

Two people trying to attack one person with a hammer will end up inflicting significant damage on one person defending themselves with nothing more than a hammer. A person with a hammer can inflict significant damage against unarmed people.

As much damage as a gun? Like I said. Pick one.
 
2013-01-25 01:54:10 PM  

Frank N Stein: Any Farkers own a Garand? Putting in my order to the CMP today for an M1, a bayonet, and a couple hundred rounds of 30-06.

[www.tri-eagle-firearms.com image 850x558]

fark an assault rifle. I'm getting a battle rifle


I've got a 6 digit Springfield, but it was rebarrelled in .308. Looking through websites, the serial puts it at around Spring '42. Fantastic gun, I love to clean it and dryfire it while watching Band of Brothers.
 
2013-01-25 01:54:16 PM  

djh0101010: kapaso: Get rid of semi automatic guns, that will work. The line is nice and clear and the gun nuts can finally stop whining about normenclature. Basically the US could use the same restrictions as Canada.

Sure, go ahead and try that. Start with the criminals, once you have all of their guns, then we can talk about mine.


And the cops. When they no longer feel the need to carry semi-auto firearms to confront criminals that we encounter first, that should signal that they're no longer needed.
 
2013-01-25 01:55:15 PM  

Thunderpipes: ph0rk: Thunderpipes: If the Dems any party gain complete control, I guarantee you even Farkers will be sad.

I don't think many folks would like an unopposed party in power.

I respectfully disagree. Remember, you have supposed main stream media journalists calling for the "annihilation" of the GOP party.

If Dems got complete control, almost all guns would be banned. Then the 4th amendment would go, maybe via executive action, because the ATF needs to go into your house to check, without a warrant. I can only imagine where it would lead from there. Slippery slope leads to all kinds of crazy. Remember, these are the same people who flew in to a rage because under Bush, people checking out bomb making books were going to be flagged. Now they want every legal gun owner to be booked and fingerprinted, mugshots taken, guns made illegal, taken away, and they cheer when Feinstein puts this forward. The hypocrisy is just amazing.

Does any liberal Farker here not want complete Democrat control so they can get their free stuff? I doubt it. They just don't understand that there is a limited amount of money they can take from working folks.

At least Obama just lost the NLRB case, his appointments were unconstitutional. This from a guy who is supposed to be an expert on the Constitution.... hmm.... But, given enough time, Dems could control the courts too, so the Constitution could be rewritten as they see fit. So dumbass college kids and unemployed people would have all the power. What do you think they will want? More taxes to the working, more free stuff for them, less rights for individuals.


If dens got complete control the rats nest oh lesser evilists they laughably call a party would fly apart like a watermelon thrown from a rooftop.
 
2013-01-25 01:55:27 PM  

Oblio13: Have Americans really become this conditioned to behave like victims?


People have been conditioned to believe that the police and government are responsible for taking care of you.

Defending yourself has been legislated over the years to a person having the responsibility to run away first.
 
2013-01-25 01:56:13 PM  

pedrop357: FlashHarry: pedrop357: They never happen until they do.

the thing is, mass shooting actually DO happen. they're not some rightwing fantasy.

Hurricanes, looting, illegal grow ops on private land, etc. are fantasies?


there's a HUGE difference between a hurricane and a hurricane that necessitates the killing of more than 10 people at a time.
 
2013-01-25 01:56:32 PM  

Oblio13: vygramul: ...Still waiting for Aurora theater shooting report...

I got to hear a law enforcement analysis of it. What disturbed me most is that no one "attacked the attacker". He was wearing a fogged-up gas mask with no peripheral vision. There were many people to his sides and rear within touching distance. Several described being hit by his ejected brass. Yet not one made an attempt at active resistance, even when he was fumbling with things. The universal reactions were to run or cower. He executed people at will until he got tired of it and went outside and gave up. Have Americans really become this conditioned to behave like victims?


Retaliation is frowned upon these day.
 
2013-01-25 01:56:47 PM  

CPennypacker: But I thought reloading takes 0 seconds. It doesn't even matter, right? Oh, but it matters now, got it. You have to power to warp time in order to justify your crappy arguments.


I never said 0 seconds, though others did and I didn't agree anywhere with that. It's more than 0 seconds more like 1-3 seconds range for a lot of shooters.

It's different when you're shooting at unarmed people, than when one or more people are actively pursuing you.

If YOU agree that it's 0 seconds (not that I agree), would you have an issue limiting the police as well?
 
2013-01-25 01:57:45 PM  

FlashHarry: there's a HUGE difference between a hurricane and a hurricane that necessitates the killing of more than 10 people at a time.


Tell that to the police in every town, city, borough, county, and state in the country.
 
2013-01-25 01:59:03 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: Closing the private sales loophole. Reasonable rules about storage. Proper mental health reporting to nics. A gun license.

I want a voting license. It's reasonable. How can you be against something that is reasonable?

Close the voting loophole!



Hell, we can't even get a law to stick in Wisconsin that people have to show an ID to register or vote. You need to show a picture ID to get a bus pass, but all you need to vote is to walk in and claim to be someone who lives in the district.
 
2013-01-25 01:59:56 PM  

pedrop357: We've tried arbitrary limits down to 10 without effecting any change in crime.

MD is 20
NJ is 15
CA,MA,NY (pre-2013), federal 94-04, various cities is 10
NY is now 7

What makes NY's new arbitrary number better than MD's?


ooh! ooh! i know... it's lower.

say you're in a bank with 30 other people and an armed madman has started firing at people. would you rather he had 7-round, 20-round, or 30-round magazines? the more often he has to reload, the more chances that somebody will take him out, just as jared loughner was taken out in tucson.
 
2013-01-25 02:00:07 PM  

CPennypacker: But I thought reloading takes 0 seconds. It doesn't even matter, right? Oh, but it matters now, got it. You have to power to warp time in order to justify your crappy arguments.


This guy is close to warping time.
 
2013-01-25 02:00:46 PM  

Holocaust Agnostic: ph0rk: Ivandrago: Did you even read the rest of my post? There are "normal" people who own guns.

Yes, but the political stage requires more than "normal" people with guns; it requires a "normal people" gun lobby.

You point out what is currently proposed and will not work. What, please tell us, will work that has not been proposed?

Closing the private sales loophole. Reasonable rules about storage. Proper mental health reporting to nics. A gun license.


There is no private sales loophole. But we can close up what you believe to be a loophole as soon as we start regulating the sale of anything else that can be used to kill or harm someone relatively easily. Kitchen knives, Chainsaws, baseball bats, cars, tire irons, lawn mowers, etc. In order to sell such things to someone you will have to have them fill out a form and put that information into an internet site (or call it in) and find out if the person is safe to sell to or not. You will have to pay $5 for each such check. Then you will have to keep the paperwork for the rest of your life. To purchase such items and have them shipped across state lines you will have to go through a registered agent who will charge you $30 or so to process the paperwork.

Same thing for storage of the dangerous items mentioned above. All such items will have to be securely locked away in a safe and things that make them more dangerous, like gas for a chainsaw, will have to be locked in a separate safe.

Also, I am all for a gun license. We shouid do it at the same time we pass some other important licensing laws, like licenses to:

Let you say what you want. Without it you would go to prison for saying anything someone else doesn't like.
Let you refuse a voluntary search of your home and person. Without it the police could strip search you and your family anytime they like.
Let you have due process of law and a speedy trial by a jury of your peers. Without it a judge could find you guilty of a crime at any time for any reason without a trial, or even you being present or aware you are being accused of something.
Let you turn away soldiers who decide they want to take over your home and live there. Without it, you are out, they live in your home, you still have to pay the bills and make sure they get fed.

There would be a separate fee for each license, so poor people couldn't afford them all. Only US citizens of appropriate age would be able to get these licenses. Illegal and legal immigrants and foreign tourists would be ineligible. Felons would of course be entirely unable to get any of these licenses. All licenses would require a mental health check, and if you didn't pass then no license for you. Also, believing in the flying spaghetti monster, or any other made up being is obviously a sign of poor mental health, so anyone who is, or ever has been, religious, would be unable to get a license.

What a wonderful world it will be.
 
2013-01-25 02:01:16 PM  

pedrop357: FlashHarry: there's a HUGE difference between a hurricane and a hurricane that necessitates the killing of more than 10 people at a time.

Tell that to the police in every town, city, borough, county, and state in the country.


lolwut?

a) THEY'RE POLICE. THAT'S THEIR JOB.
b) when have we had a hurricane that necessitated the killing of more than ten people at a time (between magazine changes) by civilians? did that even happen during katrina?
 
2013-01-25 02:01:45 PM  

CPennypacker: Thunderpipes: Oblio13: vygramul: ...Still waiting for Aurora theater shooting report...

I got to hear a law enforcement analysis of it. What disturbed me most is that no one "attacked the attacker". He was wearing a fogged-up gas mask with no peripheral vision. There were many people to his sides and rear within touching distance. Several described being hit by his ejected brass. Yet not one made an attempt at active resistance, even when he was fumbling with things. The universal reactions were to run or cower. He executed people at will until he got tired of it and went outside and gave up. Have Americans really become this conditioned to behave like victims?

This. People are scaredy piss-pants that someone can fire for minutes and minutes? Throw a coat at him. Jump on him. School shooting? Why can't the teachers throw a chair or something? Just that would probably be enough to make the shooter panic.

Yes, Americans are pussies now, big time. They probably think the shooter is a bully, and they must wait to call the principal, police, or their mommies.

More hero fantasy bullshiat. Lets see how you two react when you're in a dark, crowded theater and some maniac bursts in armed to the teeth and starts mowing people down. I'm sure you'd be the first ones to jump on him.


Damn right I would. Ya, I might poop myself, but unless he gets me first, and if I am anywhere near? Hell ya. Sure not going to let him shoot people for 5-10 minutes.

Now think about this. How many kids today, grow up getting into fights at all? I have a step son in 3rd grade right now, I have never even once heard of any incident at all. Of course people today will cower. That is what they are taught. Want to prevent mass murders? Teach people to instantly attack shooters with anything around them. Obviously would not work well in Sandy Hook, but the theater shooting was just terrible.
 
2013-01-25 02:01:54 PM  
I prefer the term 'Comfort Rifle'.
 
2013-01-25 02:02:04 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: CPennypacker: But I thought reloading takes 0 seconds. It doesn't even matter, right? Oh, but it matters now, got it. You have to power to warp time in order to justify your crappy arguments.

This guy is close to warping time.


how many mass shooters have that kind of training?
 
2013-01-25 02:02:13 PM  

pedrop357: CPennypacker: But I thought reloading takes 0 seconds. It doesn't even matter, right? Oh, but it matters now, got it. You have to power to warp time in order to justify your crappy arguments.

I never said 0 seconds, though others did and I didn't agree anywhere with that. It's more than 0 seconds more like 1-3 seconds range for a lot of shooters.

It's different when you're shooting at unarmed people, than when one or more people are actively pursuing you.

If YOU agree that it's 0 seconds (not that I agree), would you have an issue limiting the police as well?


I'm fine limiting the police as long as theres a lagtime to account for non-compliance and specialized teams like SWAT still have access to more powerful weaponry for extenuating circumstances.

And again, if the time it takes to reload is insignificant in the context of a mass shooting where the shooter may be facing a dozen or more unarmed people, why is it signficant if far less people are invading your home? You can't have it both ways. Pick one bad argument and stick to it, because they contradict each other.
 
2013-01-25 02:03:05 PM  

djh0101010: StoPPeRmobile: Closing the private sales loophole. Reasonable rules about storage. Proper mental health reporting to nics. A gun license.

I want a voting license. It's reasonable. How can you be against something that is reasonable?

Close the voting loophole!


Hell, we can't even get a law to stick in Wisconsin that people have to show an ID to register or vote. You need to show a picture ID to get a bus pass, but all you need to vote is to walk in and claim to be someone who lives in the district.


It's ridiculous. It's why Americans aren't safer. Close the voting loophole.
 
2013-01-25 02:05:10 PM  

FlashHarry: pedrop357: FlashHarry: pedrop357: They never happen until they do.

the thing is, mass shooting actually DO happen. they're not some rightwing fantasy.

Hurricanes, looting, illegal grow ops on private land, etc. are fantasies?

there's a HUGE difference between a hurricane and a hurricane that necessitates the killing of more than 10 people at a time.


The fact that he goes right to killing as a solution speaks loads to his psyche.
 
2013-01-25 02:06:24 PM  

CPennypacker: And again, if the time it takes to reload is insignificant in the context of a mass shooting where the shooter may be facing a dozen or more unarmed people, why is it signficant if far less people are invading your home? You can't have it both ways. Pick one bad argument and stick to it, because they contradict each other.


No, they don't. Nearly all mass shooters shot and reloaded all they wanted, very few in the last 15 years involved anyone stopping them while reloading. They also brought multiple guns and multiple magazines and didn't have to lug it all around very far, nor did they worry about packing it all out.

It's unreasonable to expect an average person to carry multiple guns and magazines to try and work around an arbitrary magazine limit.
 
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