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2013-01-25 10:12:05 AM

TheOther: `(iii) Striker 12; or
`(iv) Streetsweeper.


Note that these shotgun models are already federally restricted as "destructive devices". Legally obtaining either shotgun model currently requires approval from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. Senator Feinstein is attempting to entirely prohibit civilian ownership of firearm models already substantially restricted, likely because she lacks any actual understanding of firearms.
 
2013-01-25 10:12:27 AM
I have yet to see a weapon that cannot be used to assault someone.
 
2013-01-25 10:12:39 AM
Radical gun nuts are attracted to "assault weapons" because they get a power trip liking themselves to Rambo. This god complex is often present in sociopath so there is a reason why they are often used for mass murder. The thing is, if you deny them the shiny Rambo guns it will not stop their god complex. They will just bust a nut over whatever weapon they can find that makes them feel powerful.
 
2013-01-25 10:12:49 AM
any damn weapon the feds say it is?
 
2013-01-25 10:12:58 AM

Antimatter: I think the issue will come down to how they define it. me, i'd base the bann of models, or off rate of fire + action (direct gas, gas piston, etc).

I'm not in favor of a ban, however, would be ultimately pretty pointless.

Now, magazine size restrictions could have some effect, as many crimes do involve the use of pistols with high capacity magazines, but you'd never dry up the existing supply of 10+ round mags. With 3d printing, you could quite easily make many of them as well.


http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/2013/01/19/test-firing-a-3d-printed -a r-15-magazine/

Yep, it's already becoming a reality.
 
2013-01-25 10:13:29 AM

Dimensio: The difference is obvious.


[kbensema.files.wordpress.com image 590x300]

This is a traditional civilian rifle.


[www.thefirearmblog.com image 590x300]

This is a deadly semi-automatic assault weapon with no legitimate civilian purpose.


let me guess... they're the same rifle.
 
2013-01-25 10:13:43 AM
FYI: the "plastic parts" are for people that have to carry a gun around on their person, for weeks at a time, in various environmental conditions (you know, soldiers). There, it's nice to have a lighter weapon.

For the nutball that picks up a gun and goes out shooting, it gives no advantage.
 
2013-01-25 10:13:45 AM

js34603: I, however, should have access to shoulder fired missiles.


You got the money?
 
2013-01-25 10:13:51 AM

Citrate1007: Radical gun nuts are attracted to "assault weapons" because they get a power trip liking themselves to Rambo. This god complex is often present in sociopath so there is a reason why they are often used for mass murder. The thing is, if you deny them the shiny Rambo guns it will not stop their god complex. They will just bust a nut over whatever weapon they can find that makes them feel powerful.


Your hypothesis is interesting, and I eagerly await the references to the substantial body of supporting data that you will be able to provide.
 
2013-01-25 10:15:34 AM

Frank N Stein: The renewed talks about gun control has, if anything, taught the grabbers what a magazine is.

I also heartily lol at them trying to rebrand themselves as "gun safety" advocates


That is always a plus. It really annoys me for some reason.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-25 10:15:48 AM

Citrate1007: Radical gun nuts are attracted to "assault weapons" because they get a power trip liking themselves to Rambo. This god complex is often present in sociopath so there is a reason why they are often used for mass murder. The thing is, if you deny them the shiny Rambo guns it will not stop their god complex. They will just bust a nut over whatever weapon they can find that makes them feel powerful.


Thanks for your psychological analysis. Where did you get your doctorate?
 
2013-01-25 10:16:05 AM
I thought that an "Assault Weapon" was just a weapon primarily used to Assault someone with.

How many bullets does it normally take to kill a harmless fuzzy creature anyway?
 
2013-01-25 10:16:28 AM

syrynxx: A "high-capacity" magazine is also a misleading, artificial term.  The Glock 17 is issued with a 17-round magazine.  That is not a high-capacity magazine, it is standard-capacity.  The M-16 and AR-15 most commonly use a 30-round magazine.  That is not a high-capacity magazine, it is standard-capacity.


This.

Nj already has a limit---my Glock 19C is restricted to 15 but I believe the max is 17
 
2013-01-25 10:16:31 AM

Dimensio: Citrate1007: Radical gun nuts are attracted to "assault weapons" because they get a power trip liking themselves to Rambo. This god complex is often present in sociopath so there is a reason why they are often used for mass murder. The thing is, if you deny them the shiny Rambo guns it will not stop their god complex. They will just bust a nut over whatever weapon they can find that makes them feel powerful.

Your hypothesis is interesting, and I eagerly await the references to the substantial body of supporting data that you will be able to provide.


Exhibit A
 
2013-01-25 10:17:37 AM

HansoSparxx: I thought that an "Assault Weapon" was just a weapon primarily used to Assault someone with.

How many bullets does it normally take to kill a harmless fuzzy creature anyway?



Please define a defensive weapon that has no offensive capability.
 
2013-01-25 10:17:47 AM

dittybopper: Because People in power are Stupid: It's a weapon designed for warfare. I'd much rather have a pistol gripped, high capacity, .223 AR15 in "the field" rather than the "new design" Browning Automatic Rifle.
The .300 winchester is better for taking down a moose anyway.

See:

[www.quarterbore.net image 700x291]
For wars against people

[media.liveauctiongroup.net image 640x171]
For wars against Moose.

Also effective in wars against Moose:

[www.gunblast.com image 640x480]

AR-15 in .50 Beowulf.

Takes all of, what, 20 seconds to convert a gun with a .223 upper to one with a .50 Beowulf, or .458 SOCOM, or .450 Bushmaster upper, all of which are effective against moose-sized ani-mules.


Hey, it's chambered in $2 bills!
 
2013-01-25 10:18:03 AM
I wake up and see three gun stories in a row. What gives?
 
2013-01-25 10:18:17 AM

Citrate1007: Dimensio: Citrate1007: Radical gun nuts are attracted to "assault weapons" because they get a power trip liking themselves to Rambo. This god complex is often present in sociopath so there is a reason why they are often used for mass murder. The thing is, if you deny them the shiny Rambo guns it will not stop their god complex. They will just bust a nut over whatever weapon they can find that makes them feel powerful.

Your hypothesis is interesting, and I eagerly await the references to the substantial body of supporting data that you will be able to provide.

Exhibit A


If he wanted real unadulterated power he should have ran for office to exert his will on the people.
 
2013-01-25 10:18:18 AM

Frank N Stein: The renewed talks about gun control has, if anything, taught the grabbers what a magazine is.


Even the Associated Press has taken notice: http://www.facebook.com/apstylebook/posts/508285139194577
 
2013-01-25 10:18:40 AM

syrynxx: An "assault weapon" is a political term only, and unless you live in a state like California or Connecticut with a state law, there is no such thing as an assault weapon under current laws.


That's more or less what TFA says, including a short blurb about how ineffective the lack of real definition made the previous AWB (manufacturers just shrugging, modifying products enough to rename them, and keeping on rollin').

It is nice that someone's at least trying to make media articles about guns less outright retarded, honestly, I appreciate what the writer is trying to do.
 
2013-01-25 10:18:54 AM

syrynxx: A "high-capacity" magazine is also a misleading, artificial term.  The Glock 17 is issued with a 17-round magazine.  That is not a high-capacity magazine, it is standard-capacity.  The M-16 and AR-15 most commonly use a 30-round magazine.  That is not a high-capacity magazine, it is standard-capacity.


Heck I can win this argument without even trying:

I hereby define high capacity as anything more than six. Only a fool would disagree with me. Therefore I have one the argument and you have lost.


www.ebbemunk.dk


"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master - - that's all."
 
2013-01-25 10:18:54 AM
How many millions of AR-15's have been sold in the US? How would a weapons ban, at this point, do anything to limit their use in crime? Make people with an FFL take a course in picking up on mental derangements would do more than a weapons ban.
 
2013-01-25 10:19:06 AM

Citrate1007: Dimensio: Citrate1007: Radical gun nuts are attracted to "assault weapons" because they get a power trip liking themselves to Rambo. This god complex is often present in sociopath so there is a reason why they are often used for mass murder. The thing is, if you deny them the shiny Rambo guns it will not stop their god complex. They will just bust a nut over whatever weapon they can find that makes them feel powerful.

Your hypothesis is interesting, and I eagerly await the references to the substantial body of supporting data that you will be able to provide.

Exhibit A


Why use a citation for someone who didn't use a firearm in the commission of his killing?
 
2013-01-25 10:19:16 AM

Citrate1007: Dimensio: Citrate1007: Radical gun nuts are attracted to "assault weapons" because they get a power trip liking themselves to Rambo. This god complex is often present in sociopath so there is a reason why they are often used for mass murder. The thing is, if you deny them the shiny Rambo guns it will not stop their god complex. They will just bust a nut over whatever weapon they can find that makes them feel powerful.

Your hypothesis is interesting, and I eagerly await the references to the substantial body of supporting data that you will be able to provide.

Exhibit A


You have evidently misunderstood my request. You have provided reference to a single individual who used explosives to destroy a government building. I requested reference to a body of data that supports your original claim regarding the motives of "radical gun nuts". Your reference is in no way related to my request.
 
2013-01-25 10:20:44 AM

HansoSparxx: I thought that an "Assault Weapon" was just a weapon primarily used to Assault someone with.

How many bullets does it normally take to kill a harmless fuzzy creature anyway?


Depends upon your aim, I guess. The average NRA member seems to need hundreds of tries to hit the broad side of a barn.
 
2013-01-25 10:21:26 AM

Giltric: The answer is perception. According to a 1988 report by the Violence Policy Center, an anti-gun lobby:

[H]andgun restriction is simply not viewed as a priority. Assault weapons ... are a new topic. The weapons' menacing looks, coupled with the public's confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons-anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun-can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons.


I think it is becuase they are racists and many assault weapons are black.

images.politico.com
 
2013-01-25 10:21:27 AM

DownTheRabbitHole: syrynxx: A "high-capacity" magazine is also a misleading, artificial term.  The Glock 17 is issued with a 17-round magazine.  That is not a high-capacity magazine, it is standard-capacity.  The M-16 and AR-15 most commonly use a 30-round magazine.  That is not a high-capacity magazine, it is standard-capacity.

This.

Nj already has a limit---my Glock 19C is restricted to 15 but I believe the max is 17


15 round mags are standard capacity for a Glock 19...
 
2013-01-25 10:21:37 AM

Frank N Stein: Also, Alton Brown says fark your gun control

[www.armoryblog.com image 600x803]


Oh. Well, I'm convinced.

Everyone go home. A Food Network personality has spoken on gun control.
 
2013-01-25 10:22:02 AM

Dimensio: The difference is obvious.


[kbensema.files.wordpress.com image 590x300]

This is a traditional civilian rifle.


[www.thefirearmblog.com image 590x300]

This is a deadly semi-automatic assault weapon with no legitimate civilian purpose.


I said the same thing about Hummers, Lamborghini's and all the F series of trucks from the 250's and above and look where that got me.

Assault weapon looks scary because of all the modern lightweight parts on it as opposed to that old timers styled solid wood stock. One is in flat military colors while the other has a pallette of warm wood tones and polished steel. Your magazine capacities look very similar. Other than the pistol grip (which some may actually find more comfortable when shooting) you are pretty much looking at the same weapon.

Any weapon can be deadly in the hands of the wrong person. Military weaponry has been designed for environment: not only for killing another human being but rather for effeciency in its maintenance and use. It's lighter for those who require it be another appendage for most of their day, it's easy to maintain or field repair, and parts tend to be more universal for ease in service- why would a civilian not want some of these features in a weapon for non-military/assault use?
 
2013-01-25 10:22:06 AM

syrynxx: A "high-capacity" magazine is also a misleading, artificial term.  The Glock 17 is issued with a 17-round magazine.  That is not a high-capacity magazine, it is standard-capacity.  The M-16 and AR-15 most commonly use a 30-round magazine.  That is not a high-capacity magazine, it is standard-capacity.


that's like saying that a bugatti veyron's 1000 horsepower is "standard horsepower" for that car. that may be true, but relative to most vehicles, it is a high-horsepower car.

btw, i believe the original AR15 came with a 20-round magazine, did it not?
 
2013-01-25 10:22:25 AM
Whatever they decide it means, a ban is only worth doing if they make it illegal to possess existing versions of those weapons.  Turn it in and melt it down, or risk a felony charge later on.
 
2013-01-25 10:22:29 AM

trotsky: I wake up and see three gun stories in a row. What gives?


Too many people use AdBlock, they have to up the troll headlines to get their clicks.
 
2013-01-25 10:22:48 AM

Rev.K: Frank N Stein: Also, Alton Brown says fark your gun control

[www.armoryblog.com image 600x803]

Oh. Well, I'm convinced.

Everyone go home. A Food Network personality has spoken on gun control.


I for one won't be satisfied until I know what Bobby Flay thinks about all this.
 
2013-01-25 10:23:43 AM
Huh, the BAR isn't on that list. Because its not like that was designed for warfare or anything. Oh wait, its not a scary looking black rifle, nevermind.
 
2013-01-25 10:23:57 AM

limeyfellow: That is always a plus. It really annoys me for some reason.


dittybopper: Even the Associated Press has taken notice: http://www.facebook.com/apstylebook/posts/508285139194577


It's kind of cute, them learning the terminology. It's like a baby trying to string together a sentence. You get what they're trying to say, but they just quite haven't gotten the language down yet. And sometimes the confusion leads to hilarious results.
 
2013-01-25 10:24:08 AM
I went to the Aston Martin Owner's Club Race many years ago and I was standing beside a retired race car driver watching these upper class twits in a Monty Pythonesque attempt to steer their cars around the track and the guy said to me, "There's a lot more car than driver in this race".
 
2013-01-25 10:25:03 AM

Andyr2120: Whatever they decide it means, a ban is only worth doing if they make it illegal to possess existing versions of those weapons.  Turn it in and melt it down, or risk a felony charge later on.


You are correct: such a measure is absolutely necessary to generate substantial noncompliance and political backlash.
 
2013-01-25 10:25:10 AM
If we want to outlaw production of a weapon, it should be landmines.

We're pretty much the only country that still makes those horrible little things.
 
2013-01-25 10:26:01 AM
So the 2nd amendment is the right to hunt?

I doubt the founding fathers intended that to be the meaning, quite the opposite.
 
2013-01-25 10:26:48 AM

Frank N Stein: Also, Alton Brown says fark your gun control

[www.armoryblog.com image 600x803]


Has he actually said anything on the record? Doesn't appear so.
 
2013-01-25 10:26:56 AM
That atricle is pretty well done. I have a problem with this part, though:

That's because sales between private gun owners and sales at gun shows are exempt under federal law.

Sales by dealers at gun shows are not exempt from backgraound checks. It's exactly like going to a gun store.

Sales between private owners at gun shows are just like sales between private owners anywhere else, at least in this state. There is no "gun show loophole," as people are wont to say.
 
2013-01-25 10:27:11 AM
Meh, let people sell all the guns they want, with pretty much any modifications they want. Require them to hold insurance that covers all damages, including lose of life, that may occur through use of the weapon. Before too long the free market will lead to people manufacturing, buying, and using guns in safer manners in order to reduce insurance premiums, while still allowing those who really want to get their jollies off to absorb the extra cost.
 
2013-01-25 10:27:44 AM

dinch: Make people with an FFL take a course in picking up on mental derangements would do more than a weapons ban.


Lanza tried to buy a weapon but was turned away by the FFL so he stole his mothers weapons after he killed her.

Your plan would not help solve anything.

Maybe we should leave the picking out the mentally deranged to teachers and employers.
 
2013-01-25 10:28:30 AM

ph0rk: Frank N Stein: Also, Alton Brown says fark your gun control

[www.armoryblog.com image 600x803]

Has he actually said anything on the record? Doesn't appear so.


No, he just enjoys guns, like most really really rich guys.
 
2013-01-25 10:29:02 AM

FlashHarry: syrynxx: A "high-capacity" magazine is also a misleading, artificial term.  The Glock 17 is issued with a 17-round magazine.  That is not a high-capacity magazine, it is standard-capacity.  The M-16 and AR-15 most commonly use a 30-round magazine.  That is not a high-capacity magazine, it is standard-capacity.

that's like saying that a bugatti veyron's 1000 horsepower is "standard horsepower" for that car. that may be true, but relative to most vehicles, it is a high-horsepower car.

btw, i believe the original AR15 came with a 20-round magazine, did it not?


You may be thinking of the earlier military rifle, the m14. That had 20 round magazines but also had a larger round (7.62mm instead of 5.56mm).
 
2013-01-25 10:29:48 AM

Antimatter: I think the issue will come down to how they define it. me, i'd base the bann of models, or off rate of fire + action (direct gas, gas piston, etc).

I'm not in favor of a ban, however, would be ultimately pretty pointless.

Now, magazine size restrictions could have some effect, as many crimes do involve the use of pistols with high capacity magazines, but you'd never dry up the existing supply of 10+ round mags. With 3d printing, you could quite easily make many of them as well.


Do you know how long it takes to switch magazines in..well..any firearm? Roughly 0 seconds. I dont understand the purpose of this at all.
 
2013-01-25 10:29:56 AM
FlashHarry:
btw, i believe the original AR15 came with a 20-round magazine, did it not?

Yep, the M-16A1 as issued in Vietnam had a 20-round magazine.  It also had fully-automatic fire capacity that lead to guys panic-firing their entire weapon in one trigger pull, so later changes were the 30-round magazine and changing the full-auto selector to a three-round burst.

I especially 'like' New York's new law.  You can own a 10-round magazine, but it's now illegal to put more than seven rounds in it.  That will certainly stop those criminals in their tracks!
 
2013-01-25 10:30:40 AM

ph0rk: Frank N Stein: Also, Alton Brown says fark your gun control

[www.armoryblog.com image 600x803]

Has he actually said anything on the record? Doesn't appear so.


No, but his armory suggest that he's pretty pro-gun. He owns a "SCAR 17, an H&K P30, a Kahr, and a Kimber 1911. And a few dozen others." Link

He's also a pretty devout Christian, which surprised me.
 
2013-01-25 10:31:06 AM
"Everyone who got off at Hyattsville was either heavily armed or had a bodyguard. The people loitering around the station were all armed. The police carried lasers."

"I had expected my mother to be horrified that I had killed a man, but she accepted it without comment. Rhonda clucked a little bit about our being out in a city after midnight, especially without a bodyguard. We talked on these and other topics until late at night, when Mother called her bodyguard and went off to work."



That sounds like an America I want to live in.
 
2013-01-25 10:31:32 AM
Would Senator Feinstein's proposal cause the replacement of the barrel of my Springfield Armory XD45 Compact with a threaded barrel transform the firearm into an "assault weapon"?
 
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