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(WTOP)   So just what the heck is an "assault weapon," anyway? A clip? A magazine? Here's your handy-dandy gun glossary so you can sound infromed for the next flamewar   (wtop.com) divider line 694
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2013-01-25 08:16:15 AM
It will be whatever a court decides it to be, despite what any reporter or politician says.  Legals definitions are outlined by these people, but their accuracy and adjustment is done in court. And that really should be the way it stays. Whatever definition is determined, there will always be someone able to skirt around it. Think they are called loopholes, and so the back and forth continues. Courts make a decision. Rest of world look for loopholes. So long as the loopholes are small, the world should be a better place. But not always.
 
2013-01-25 09:19:50 AM
Why would we need an article like this? Every time a reasonable debate on guns breaks out it's immediately hijacked by the nomenclature nannies  so we've got this covered.
 
2013-01-25 09:36:41 AM
It's a weapon designed for warfare. I'd much rather have a pistol gripped, high capacity, .223 AR15 in "the field" rather than the "new design" Browning Automatic Rifle.
The .300 winchester is better for taking down a moose anyway.

See:

www.quarterbore.net
For wars against people

media.liveauctiongroup.net
For wars against Moose.
 
2013-01-25 09:41:13 AM
For what it's worth, I'VE SEEN THAT DAMNED JOURNALIST'S GUIDE A MILLION TIMES ALREADY. I think we've all got it memorized by now.
 
2013-01-25 09:49:51 AM
It would be more helpful if it clarified that the term "assault rifle", which a lot of people mis-use, is a fully-automatic-capable rifle and there are very few of them in actual circulation.

An "assault weapon" is a political term only, and unless you live in a state like California or Connecticut with a state law, there is no such thing as an assault weapon under current laws.
 
2013-01-25 09:53:21 AM
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GAS POWERED STICK! IT NEVER RUNS OUT OF GAS!

/Man, this is a jive ass stick.
 
2013-01-25 09:56:45 AM
Magazine:
www.mancertified.com

Clip:
www.hellopro.fr
 
2013-01-25 09:57:14 AM
A "high-capacity" magazine is also a misleading, artificial term.  The Glock 17 is issued with a 17-round magazine.  That is not a high-capacity magazine, it is standard-capacity.  The M-16 and AR-15 most commonly use a 30-round magazine.  That is not a high-capacity magazine, it is standard-capacity.
 
2013-01-25 09:57:36 AM

Because People in power are Stupid: It's a weapon designed for warfare. I'd much rather have a pistol gripped, high capacity, .223 AR15 in "the field" rather than the "new design" Browning Automatic Rifle.
The .300 winchester is better for taking down a moose anyway.

See:

[www.quarterbore.net image 700x291]
For wars against people

[media.liveauctiongroup.net image 640x171]
For wars against Moose.


You can buy an upper chambered in .300 win
 
2013-01-25 09:57:48 AM
The difference is obvious.


kbensema.files.wordpress.com

This is a traditional civilian rifle.


www.thefirearmblog.com

This is a deadly semi-automatic assault weapon with no legitimate civilian purpose.
 
2013-01-25 09:58:00 AM
It's a marketing term and therefore useless...
 
2013-01-25 09:58:30 AM
hope this helps

stolen from another poster
 
2013-01-25 09:59:03 AM
i.imgur.com

in before the "crazy"
 
2013-01-25 09:59:06 AM
ih1.redbubble.net

and

www.bugasalt.com

/hot like assault weapons
 
2013-01-25 09:59:17 AM

so you can sound infromed


Well, call me Ethan 'cause I'm infromed!
 
2013-01-25 09:59:30 AM
Today on the front page of the Dallas Morning News was a headline that talked about regulation of high capacity clips.

::facepalm::
 
2013-01-25 10:00:09 AM
Is this the thread where people post pictures of mini-14's with both wood and collapsible stocks and belittle assault weapon bans for just being about "scary" weapons, when in reality they should be happy that lawmakers are easily duped enough that if they restored the ban, they could still skirt around it by ditching plastic pieces?

Cause that thread's boring.
 
2013-01-25 10:00:27 AM
This:

images.politico.com
 
2013-01-25 10:00:54 AM

Dimensio: The difference is obvious.


[kbensema.files.wordpress.com image 590x300]

This is a traditional civilian rifle.


[www.thefirearmblog.com image 590x300]

This is a deadly semi-automatic assault weapon with no legitimate civilian purpose.


I guess I answered my own question.
 
2013-01-25 10:00:55 AM
The answer is perception. According to a 1988 report by the Violence Policy Center, an anti-gun lobby:

[H]andgun restriction is simply not viewed as a priority. Assault weapons ... are a new topic. The weapons' menacing looks, coupled with the public's confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons-anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun-can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons.
 
2013-01-25 10:01:05 AM

Because People in power are Stupid: It's a weapon designed for warfare. I'd much rather have a pistol gripped, high capacity, .223 AR15 in "the field" rather than the "new design" Browning Automatic Rifle.
The .300 winchester is better for taking down a moose anyway.

See:


For wars against people


For wars against Moose.


Begin, the moose wars have.
 
2013-01-25 10:01:22 AM

Because People in power are Stupid: It's a weapon designed for warfare. I'd much rather have a pistol gripped, high capacity, .223 AR15 in "the field" rather than the "new design" Browning Automatic Rifle.
The .300 winchester is better for taking down a moose anyway.

See:

[www.quarterbore.net image 700x291]
For wars against people

[media.liveauctiongroup.net image 640x171]
For wars against Moose.


Also effective in wars against Moose:

www.gunblast.com

AR-15 in .50 Beowulf.

Takes all of, what, 20 seconds to convert a gun with a .223 upper to one with a .50 Beowulf, or .458 SOCOM, or .450 Bushmaster upper, all of which are effective against moose-sized ani-mules.
 
2013-01-25 10:01:22 AM

Haliburton Cummings: [i.imgur.com image 488x402]

in before the "crazy"


Does it really count as "Before" the crazy, if you, yourself, ARE the crazy?
 
2013-01-25 10:01:40 AM

Dimensio: The difference is obvious.




This is a traditional civilian rifle.




This is a deadly semi-automatic assault weapon with no legitimate civilian purpose.


What if we have to rise up against an oppressive government like the now conservative heroes, Che Guevara and Fidel Castro?
 
2013-01-25 10:01:47 AM

Glicky: It's a marketing term and therefore useless...


The term is in fact political, not commercial. By grouping a subset of firearms as "military-style assault weapons", politicians and political advocates are able to present the implication that such firearms serve no legitimate civilian purposes (such as hunting or target shooting) to members of the public with no understanding of firearms. This implication is further reinforced by inclusion of civilian rifles that cosmetically resemble known common military firearms, and only using images of such firearms when advocating a ban upon them, not showing images of more traditional-looking rifles (such as the Mini-14 or the M1 Carbine) because those rifles appear to be less "menacing" and because advocates of such a ban do not wish to openly admit that they are attempting to prohibit civilian ownership of many popular civilian sporting rifles with demonstrable legitimate civilian use.
 
2013-01-25 10:02:01 AM
i1127.photobucket.com


/oblig
 
2013-01-25 10:02:37 AM
As long as they get rid of bayonet lugs again. I'm tired of all the bayonettings that have been going on lately.
 
2013-01-25 10:03:19 AM

Dimensio: This is a deadly semi-automatic assault weapon with no legitimate civilian purpose.


Look at all the scary attachments! Those improve killin' power, I betcha.
 
2013-01-25 10:03:32 AM

LarryDan43: Dimensio: The difference is obvious.

This is a traditional civilian rifle.

This is a deadly semi-automatic assault weapon with no legitimate civilian purpose.

What if we have to rise up against an oppressive government like the now conservative heroes, Che Guevara and Fidel Castro?


Well crapping on police cars and shouting I WANT FREE STUFF only gets you pepper sprayed. Man up and grab a rifle next time sissy boy.
 
2013-01-25 10:03:36 AM

Dimensio: The difference is obvious.


[kbensema.files.wordpress.com image 590x300]

This is a traditional civilian rifle.


[www.thefirearmblog.com image 590x300]

This is a deadly semi-automatic assault weapon with no legitimate civilian purpose.


The black stock makes it extra deadly.
 
2013-01-25 10:04:22 AM
www.noisyroom.net
 
2013-01-25 10:04:30 AM
Assault is a behavior, not a device.

But it sure is a scary word, so it's good for spinning political agenda's.
 
2013-01-25 10:04:38 AM

Dimensio: The difference is obvious.


[kbensema.files.wordpress.com image 590x300]

This is a traditional civilian rifle.


[www.thefirearmblog.com image 590x300]

This is a deadly semi-automatic assault weapon with no legitimate civilian purpose.


So a pistol grip somehow makes a gun deadly? Because that's the only difference between those two guns.
 
2013-01-25 10:04:57 AM
Okay, got a question... not tryin to start a flame war.... legitimate question.

FTA: and because they resemble military rifles they can appear particularly menacing when used for personal defense or home protection.

So..... if "everybody knows" that the black plastic parts are just to look cool and "that doesn't make it an assault weapon," then why does that look particularly menacing?
 
2013-01-25 10:05:00 AM

Fluid: Dimensio: The difference is obvious.


[kbensema.files.wordpress.com image 590x300]

This is a traditional civilian rifle.


[www.thefirearmblog.com image 590x300]

This is a deadly semi-automatic assault weapon with no legitimate civilian purpose.

The black stock makes it extra deadly.


I have been informed that the collapsible stock aids in concealment.

I have also been informed by the same organization that silencers are illegal. Strangely, I have also received paperwork that will enable me to legally take possession of a silencer.
 
2013-01-25 10:05:40 AM
Are we almost done with all the "I Love My Guns" and "Your Guns Are Scary" dick-waving already? Can we move on to more important things, like figuring out how we can improve mental health care so John Q. Wackadoodle gets the help he needs before he decides shooting up his office is the only choice he has?
 
2013-01-25 10:06:51 AM
Infromed is a perfectly cromulent word.
 
2013-01-25 10:06:59 AM
http://www.assaultweapon.info
 
2013-01-25 10:07:01 AM

The Loaf: Is this the thread where people post pictures of mini-14's with both wood and collapsible stocks and belittle assault weapon bans for just being about "scary" weapons, when in reality they should be happy that lawmakers are easily duped enough that if they restored the ban, they could still skirt around it by ditching plastic pieces?

Cause that thread's boring.


or

`(30) The term `semiautomatic assault weapon' means any of the following:

`(A) The following rifles or copies or duplicates thereof:

`(i) AK, AKM, AKS, AK-47, AK-74, ARM, MAK90, Misr, NHM 90, NHM 91, SA 85, SA 93, VEPR;

`(ii) AR-10;

`(iii) AR-15, Bushmaster XM15, Armalite M15, or Olympic Arms PCR;

`(iv) AR70;

`(v) Calico Liberty;

`(vi) Dragunov SVD Sniper Rifle or Dragunov SVU;

`(vii) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, or FNC;

`(viii) Hi-Point Carbine;

`(ix) HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, or HK-PSG-1;

`(x) Kel-Tec Sub Rifle;

`(xi) M1 Carbine;

`(xii) Saiga;

`(xiii) SAR-8, SAR-4800;

`(xiv) SKS with detachable magazine;

`(xv) SLG 95;

`(xvi) SLR 95 or 96;

`(xvii) Steyr AUG;

`(xviii) Sturm, Ruger Mini-14;

`(xix) Tavor;

`(xx) Thompson 1927, Thompson M1, or Thompson 1927 Commando; or

`(xxi) Uzi, Galil and Uzi Sporter, Galil Sporter, or Galil Sniper Rifle (Galatz).

`(B) The following pistols or copies or duplicates thereof:

`(i) Calico M-110;

`(ii) MAC-10, MAC-11, or MPA3;

`(iii) Olympic Arms OA;

`(iv) TEC-9, TEC-DC9, TEC-22 Scorpion, or AB-10; or

`(v) Uzi.

`(C) The following shotguns or copies or duplicates thereof:

`(i) Armscor 30 BG;

`(ii) SPAS 12 or LAW 12;

`(iii) Striker 12; or

`(iv) Streetsweeper.

`(D) A semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine, and that has--

`(i) a folding or telescoping stock;

`(ii) a threaded barrel;

`(iii) a pistol grip;

`(iv) a forward grip; or

`(v) a barrel shroud.

`(E)(i) Except as provided in clause (ii), a semiautomatic rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.

`(ii) Clause (i) shall not apply to an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition.

`(F) A semiautomatic pistol that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine, and has--

`(i) a second pistol grip;

`(ii) a threaded barrel;

`(iii) a barrel shroud; or

`(iv) the capacity to accept a detachable magazine at a location outside of the pistol grip.

`(G) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.

`(H) A semiautomatic shotgun that has--

`(i) a folding or telescoping stock;

`(ii) a pistol grip;

`(iii) the ability to accept a detachable magazine; or

`(iv) a fixed magazine capacity of more than 5 rounds.

`(I) A shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

`(J) A frame or receiver that is identical to, or based substantially on the frame or receiver of, a firearm described in any of subparagraphs (A) through (I) or (L).

`(K) A conversion kit.

`(L) A semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General. In making the determination, there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any Federal law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and a firearm shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event.'.
 
2013-01-25 10:07:07 AM

tommyl66: Are we almost done with all the "I Love My Guns" and "Your Guns Are Scary" dick-waving already? Can we move on to more important things, like figuring out how we can improve mental health care so John Q. Wackadoodle gets the help he needs before he decides shooting up his office is the only choice he has?


That would require higher taxes. So, no.
 
2013-01-25 10:07:35 AM
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2013-01-25 10:07:55 AM
The renewed talks about gun control has, if anything, taught the grabbers what a magazine is.

I also heartily lol at them trying to rebrand themselves as "gun safety" advocates
 
2013-01-25 10:08:27 AM
Couldn't they just download the NRA gun app? Not the game one but rather the one that's an guide to various guns.
 
2013-01-25 10:08:56 AM

QueenMamaBee: Okay, got a question... not tryin to start a flame war.... legitimate question.

FTA: and because they resemble military rifles they can appear particularly menacing when used for personal defense or home protection.

So..... if "everybody knows" that the black plastic parts are just to look cool and "that doesn't make it an assault weapon," then why does that look particularly menacing?


Probably because of media depictions and associating with the military
 
2013-01-25 10:10:00 AM
Also, Alton Brown says fark your gun control

www.armoryblog.com
 
2013-01-25 10:10:20 AM
I think the issue will come down to how they define it. me, i'd base the bann of models, or off rate of fire + action (direct gas, gas piston, etc).

I'm not in favor of a ban, however, would be ultimately pretty pointless.

Now, magazine size restrictions could have some effect, as many crimes do involve the use of pistols with high capacity magazines, but you'd never dry up the existing supply of 10+ round mags. With 3d printing, you could quite easily make many of them as well.
 
2013-01-25 10:10:26 AM

Smeggy Smurf: [www.noisyroom.net image 400x266]


I *LOVE* that meme.
 
2013-01-25 10:11:21 AM
Since when has being informed ever been a prerequisite for participation in a Fark thread?

I'd guess there would be no Fark threads if it was required to be informed before commenting.

For instances I don't know what the difference is between a clip or a magazine. But I'm quite comfortable saying I don't want you to have access to either. I, however, should have access to shoulder fired missiles.
 
2013-01-25 10:11:43 AM
Please don't say "clip". It's a magazine. Always.
 
2013-01-25 10:11:59 AM

dittybopper: Also effective in wars against Moose:

AR-15 in .50 Beowulf.

Takes all of, what, 20 seconds to convert a gun with a .223 upper to one with a .50 Beowulf, or .458 SOCOM, or .450 Bushmaster upper, all of which are effective against moose-sized ani-mules.



I went with the .450 Bushmaster "thumper". The AR-15 is a great platform. I spent about $650 on the upper and PRESTO I have a great hunting rifle.
 
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