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(CNN)   CNN columnist writes long, passionate article about why we shouldn't clone a Neanderthal baby, even though nobody's planning to do so. Next on CNN: Why we shouldn't try to evolve humans out of E.coli   (cnn.com) divider line 70
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2013-01-25 11:57:46 AM

Phineas: FloydA

The strawman is that the creationists imply that humans evolved from one of the living, modern species of apes. .

I see, thank you. As a conservative, it often amuses me to see what generalizations liberals like to apply to conservatives. Thank you for making the distinction between creationists and conservatives, since my desire for smaller government, lower taxes, and strong foreign policy are completely separate from my belief that my great great grandfather was a modern orangutan


Why wear the hat then?
 
2013-01-25 12:14:58 PM
 
2013-01-25 12:15:12 PM

StoPPeRmobile: Phineas: FloydA

The strawman is that the creationists imply that humans evolved from one of the living, modern species of apes. .

I see, thank you. As a conservative, it often amuses me to see what generalizations liberals like to apply to conservatives. Thank you for making the distinction between creationists and conservatives, since my desire for smaller government, lower taxes, and strong foreign policy are completely separate from my belief that my great great grandfather was a modern orangutan

Why wear the hat then?


Why call someone by a label? Left and right are a spectrum, not a binary state.
 
2013-01-25 12:21:29 PM

Pocket Ninja: From the E.coli would begin to emerge some new form of human, an E.human, and like modern humans did with the Neanderthals, perhaps these new E.humans will push "regular" humans into obsolescence and oblivion.


Yeah, but I bet they would smell bad.
 
2013-01-25 12:25:45 PM

p the boiler: JrNeutron: Pocket Ninja: Oh, look. The E.coli thing again. Ha ha ha, let's point and laugh at the silly conservative politician because he asked if some scientist's Frankenstonian experiments in evolving a race of super E.coli hadn't caused unexpected mutations. Ha ha ha, so funny.

Here's the thing, evolutionistas. Either you accept evolution, or you don't, mmmkay? If you accept evolution, then you accept that all cells are constantly in a state of flux, as it were, evolving into some future evolution along the evolutionary ladder. Or slope, as it were. Very slippery slope. After all, it's a popular notion that "humans evolved from apes." But from where did those apes evolve, hm? Don't know? Look to your own theories! Remember, Adam and Eve never existed. All life started as single cell micro-organisms swimming about in the oceans. And somehow *those* evolved into people, right? Neanderthals, too.

And so why *couldn't* an E.coli virus evolve into a human? Who's to say that, a million bajillion years from now or however long you want to pretend the earth is old, E.coli doesn't itself evolve into a person? Particularly if that E.coli had at some point in its generational evolution infected a human -- because then there would be humanistic DNA in its DNA, which could cause mutations that would bring more human genes to the forefront. From the E.coli would begin to emerge some new form of human, an E.human, and like modern humans did with the Neanderthals, perhaps these new E.humans will push "regular" humans into obsolescence and oblivion. And perhaps it would only be by pairing our current human DNA with Neanderthal DNA -- by merging our strength with the strength of our ancestors -- that we might ourselves evolve a race of Neandohumans who could stand up to the E.humans and preserve our race.

Still laughing, subby? I'm sure as hell not.

I don't think you get how viruses work. Nice science fiction novel concept though

I don't think you get how Pocket Ninja works.


Wait until CDP shows up...
 
2013-01-25 12:28:29 PM

Flakeloaf: StoPPeRmobile: Phineas: FloydA

The strawman is that the creationists imply that humans evolved from one of the living, modern species of apes. .

I see, thank you. As a conservative, it often amuses me to see what generalizations liberals like to apply to conservatives. Thank you for making the distinction between creationists and conservatives, since my desire for smaller government, lower taxes, and strong foreign policy are completely separate from my belief that my great great grandfather was a modern orangutan

Why wear the hat then?

Why call someone by a label? Left and right are a spectrum, not a binary state.


Why self-describe and then throw out the descriptors?
 
2013-01-25 12:30:35 PM

Your mom and me: I bet you're a blast at parties!


I thought he was joking.
 
2013-01-25 12:34:57 PM

theorellior: StoPPeRmobile: You are so wrong. Welfare strawman is where it's at.

Stop bickering, you two. When conservatives farkers argue, they all use the strawmen!


Fixed for accuracy
 
2013-01-25 12:42:58 PM

Phineas: FloydA

The strawman is that the creationists imply that humans evolved from one of the living, modern species of apes. .

I see, thank you. As a conservative, it often amuses me to see what generalizations liberals like to apply to conservatives. Thank you for making the distinction between creationists and conservatives, since my desire for smaller government, lower taxes, and strong foreign policy are completely separate from my belief that my great great grandfather was a modern orangutan


My pleasure.  There is nothing inherently "conservative" about creationism; it's an equal opportunity delusion.  William Jennings Bryan was considered a "liberal" in his day, and he was a creationist.   Someone who thinks that all living species were created by magic just a few thousand years ago is wrong about that, no matter what s/he thinks of fiscal policy or national defense.
 
2013-01-25 12:46:10 PM

trappedspirit: Pocket Ninja: From the E.coli would begin to emerge some new form of human, an E.human, and like modern humans did with the Neanderthals, perhaps these new E.humans will push "regular" humans into obsolescence and oblivion.

Yeah, but I bet they would smell bad.


They'd also be highly susceptible to E.homo infections.
 
2013-01-25 01:00:24 PM

Mugato: St_Francis_P: Some thought that the Harvard scientist, George Church, was getting ready to put out an ad seeking volunteer surrogate moms to bear a 35,000-year-old, long-extinct Neanderthal baby. Church had to walk his comments back and note that he was just speculating, not incubating.

Well of course the Church is going to be against it, they won't even admit the earth is over 6,000 years old much less 35.


Amen!
 
2013-01-25 01:03:51 PM

FloydA: Phineas: FloydA

The strawman is that the creationists imply that humans evolved from one of the living, modern species of apes. .

I see, thank you. As a conservative, it often amuses me to see what generalizations liberals like to apply to conservatives. Thank you for making the distinction between creationists and conservatives, since my desire for smaller government, lower taxes, and strong foreign policy are completely separate from my belief that my great great grandfather was a modern orangutan

My pleasure.  There is nothing inherently "conservative" about creationism; it's an equal opportunity delusion.  William Jennings Bryan was considered a "liberal" in his day, and he was a creationist.   Someone who thinks that all living species were created by magic just a few thousand years ago is wrong about that, no matter what s/he thinks of fiscal policy or national defense.


This. Plenty of Democrats believe in creation, they just get ignored by the rest of the Party unless they can use them to score points against the opposition. It's completely coincidental that most of them are black.

And on the subject of race, Whites and Asians do have Neanderthal DNA.

And CNN is a joke and has been for at least five years. FFS, they actually pay the Bleacher Report for their sports coverage. The Bleacher Report.
 
2013-01-25 01:08:36 PM

FloydA: Phineas: FloydA

The strawman is that the creationists imply that humans evolved from one of the living, modern species of apes. .

I see, thank you. As a conservative, it often amuses me to see what generalizations liberals like to apply to conservatives. Thank you for making the distinction between creationists and conservatives, since my desire for smaller government, lower taxes, and strong foreign policy are completely separate from my belief that my great great grandfather was a modern orangutan

My pleasure.  There is nothing inherently "conservative" about creationism; it's an equal opportunity delusion.  William Jennings Bryan was considered a "liberal" in his day, and he was a creationist.   Someone who thinks that all living species were created by magic just a few thousand years ago is wrong about that, no matter what s/he thinks of fiscal policy or national defense.


Then again, William Jennings Bryan was born in 1860.
 
2013-01-25 01:14:24 PM
Richard C Stanford:
Then again, William Jennings Bryan was born in 1860.

Good point.  Still, the "informed/uninformed" axis is at least formally orthogonal to the "conservative/liberal" axis.
 
2013-01-25 01:16:58 PM
FLMountainMan:

This. Plenty of Democrats believe in creation, they just get ignored by the rest of the Party unless they can use them to score points against the opposition. It's completely coincidental that most of them are black.

And on the subject of race, Whites and Asians do have Neanderthal DNA.

And CNN is a joke and has been for at least five years. FFS, they actually pay the Bleacher Report for their sports coverage. The Bleacher Report.



Race baiting is probably not a great way to get more votes for the GOP.  Thought you should know.
 
2013-01-25 04:04:45 PM
NFA 2013-01-25 08:30:51 AM
"why we shouldn't clone a Neanderthal baby, even though nobody's planning to do so"

Wasn't there an article out just last week about a researcher who is seeking volunteers to have a Neanderthal baby?

Link


surprisingly, the Daily Mail article seems to e erroneous
 
2013-01-25 04:06:36 PM
e erroneous is the kind of rroneous that e coli have
 
2013-01-25 04:41:42 PM

FloydA: FLMountainMan:

This. Plenty of Democrats believe in creation, they just get ignored by the rest of the Party unless they can use them to score points against the opposition. It's completely coincidental that most of them are black.

And on the subject of race, Whites and Asians do have Neanderthal DNA.

And CNN is a joke and has been for at least five years. FFS, they actually pay the Bleacher Report for their sports coverage. The Bleacher Report.


Race baiting is probably not a great way to get more votes for the GOP.  Thought you should know.


Right, "they're" the Democrats' property. My apologies for the insensitivity.
 
2013-01-25 05:35:10 PM

FLMountainMan: FloydA: FLMountainMan:

This. Plenty of Democrats believe in creation, they just get ignored by the rest of the Party unless they can use them to score points against the opposition. It's completely coincidental that most of them are black.

And on the subject of race, Whites and Asians do have Neanderthal DNA.

And CNN is a joke and has been for at least five years. FFS, they actually pay the Bleacher Report for their sports coverage. The Bleacher Report.


Race baiting is probably not a great way to get more votes for the GOP.  Thought you should know.

Right, "they're" the Democrats' property. My apologies for the insensitivity.


Or, they will be now. Thanks!
 
2013-01-25 09:00:14 PM

FLMountainMan: FloydA: FLMountainMan:

This. Plenty of Democrats believe in creation, they just get ignored by the rest of the Party unless they can use them to score points against the opposition. It's completely coincidental that most of them are black.

And on the subject of race, Whites and Asians do have Neanderthal DNA.

And CNN is a joke and has been for at least five years. FFS, they actually pay the Bleacher Report for their sports coverage. The Bleacher Report.


Race baiting is probably not a great way to get more votes for the GOP.  Thought you should know.

Right, "they're" the Democrats' property. My apologies for the insensitivity.


You just keep on doing what you're doing.
 
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