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2013-01-25 02:47:21 PM  
serial_crusher: I think they made a bad batch. When the DDWRT craze first started I went out and bought one, and it would crash and reboot itself every 30 seconds.
I took it back and the replacement had the same problem. So I just gave up on the whole thing.


1) The stock firmware is garbage.

2) They made many different WRT models, some of them are garbage.

For general purpose routing, the models to get are a WRT54G (version 1-4), or a WRT54GL (any version)

Version 5+ of the G is where they got rid of Linux (switched to VX Works) and chopped the ram/flash in half. In short, this is the gimp of the WRT line.

The GL is essentially a branch in the model line using the V4 as a base, and they are awesome.

(I don't know much about the other versions as they tend to add weird features (ex, speedboost))
 
2013-01-25 02:50:41 PM  

serial_crusher: TheAlmightyOS: serial_crusher: lordargent: @theurge14: I haven't yet found a Linksys or Belkin router that didn't start losing its mind after a 1-2 years of heavy residential usage (200-400 GB per month WAN, 500 GB - 1 TB per month LAN). Probably failing capacitors as a result of running too hot.

I think my oldest WRT54GL is 10 years old now, I have three of them (using two as bridges).

// DD-WRT

I think they made a bad batch.  When the DDWRT craze first started I went out and bought one, and it would crash and reboot itself every 30 seconds.
I took it back and the replacement had the same problem.  So I just gave up on the whole thing.

dd-wrt is a third party firmware for many different routers. WRT54G is a series of routers made by Linksys that can run dd-wrt firmware.

Now, if you are meaning to say there was a bad release of dd-wrt, there most certainly was. The main website for that firmware still recommends the buggy version. Definitely check the forums before flashing

No, I'm saying the WRT54GL had a bad run.  I attempted to buy a WRT54GL so that I could put dd-wrt on it.  Because the router I had at the time (some Netgear POS) didn't support it.


I should add, the dying every 30 seconds thing happened with both the linksys firmware and dd-wrt.  (IIRC it would only crash when the wifi was enabled, which is what allowed me to actually install dd-wrt without it crashing mid-flash).
 
2013-01-25 03:01:52 PM  

theurge14: [i.imgur.com image 335x333]

Here's what Linksys and Belkin and Netgear and D-Link and all the other $30 plasticy, chintzy, sweat shop grade, locking up every few hours garbage ass routers can all go do with themselves.


What do you suggest as an alternative? Seriously difficult to figure out what to buy.
 
2013-01-25 03:02:43 PM  

lordargent: @theurge14: I haven't yet found a Linksys or Belkin router that didn't start losing its mind after a 1-2 years of heavy residential usage (200-400 GB per month WAN, 500 GB - 1 TB per month LAN). Probably failing capacitors as a result of running too hot.

I think my oldest WRT54GL is 10 years old now, I have three of them (using two as bridges).

// DD-WRT


I think I had one of those. The wireless part worked, but some of the Ethernet ports failed after about three years. I kept it for a while thinking I'd use it as a bridge, but my place is fully covered by my Airport Extreme, so I got rid of it. Hope the Apple hardware lasts 4X as long as other consumer-grade stuff because it cost 4X as much!
 
2013-01-25 03:09:37 PM  

Ed Grubermann: JeffMD: Looks like its netgear for me.. although I'll check out asus on my next purchase. Or anything else that pops up on radar. Personally I can't think of any other router brands except belkin, netgear, and linksys (rated worst to best in that order).

Buffalo also makes good units.


The Buffalo I got to replace my Linksys is still working. My parents inherited it :-) I wasn't aware that they still make Wi-Fi routers because shortly after I bought mine, they were involved in some patent infringement lawsuit (IIRC) and were forced to stop selling them for a while. Just checked their website and looks like they're back in the router business. I like that company; just bought a NAS from them.
 
2013-01-25 03:24:54 PM  

dk47: theurge14: [i.imgur.com image 335x333]

Here's what Linksys and Belkin and Netgear and D-Link and all the other $30 plasticy, chintzy, sweat shop grade, locking up every few hours garbage ass routers can all go do with themselves.

What do you suggest as an alternative? Seriously difficult to figure out what to buy.


Expect to spend anwhere from $70 to $150 for a really good consumer router instead of the $30 Walmart specials or settling for the built in WiFi on that cable modem that the Time Warner guy left at your house.

I've heard really good things about the ASUS RT-N56U, Buffalo WZR-HP-AG300H, Cisco RT-N16, or any of the other Dual-Band DD-WRT based routers. I've got a friend who does alot of console gaming who got the ASUS RT-N16 "gaming router" and loves it.

However if you're like me and you've had it with Bittorrent locking up, games getting DC'd because your router locked up for no good reason, friend's laptops mysteriously not able to authenticate through WPA2 no matter what, you could go all out and (fanboy disclaimer) go for the Apple Airport Extreme. Setup is simple, uptime will be counted in years and it really has no faults.

Good luck whichever way you go. Whatever you decide on you'll notice a difference pretty quickly.
 
2013-01-25 03:29:11 PM  

theurge14: However if you're like me and you've had it with Bittorrent locking up, games getting DC'd because your router locked up for no good reason, friend's laptops mysteriously not able to authenticate through WPA2 no matter what, you could go all out and (fanboy disclaimer) go for the Apple Airport Extreme. Setup is simple, uptime will be counted in years and it really has no faults.


Those Airport Extremes are spendy compared to the usual consumer grade routers out there. I gave mine to a friend because I went the DIY route. He has been battling all kinds of disconnect and restart issues with 3-4 different brands. He's been running the Airport Extreme without any issues for a good 2 years now
 
2013-01-25 03:34:27 PM  

theurge14: you could go all out and (fanboy disclaimer) go for the Apple Airport Extreme. Setup is simple, uptime will be counted in years and it really has no faults.


It's a pretty decent router, but I really wish they hadn't apple'd the configuration tool.  Especially from a Mac, the latest version doesn't let you do much beyond just changing the SSID or password.  The Windows tool is a little more robust, but still not great.

If you want to just plug-and-play and forget, it's a solid choice.  Standard Apple product.
 
2013-01-25 03:37:10 PM  

MightyPez: theurge14: However if you're like me and you've had it with Bittorrent locking up, games getting DC'd because your router locked up for no good reason, friend's laptops mysteriously not able to authenticate through WPA2 no matter what, you could go all out and (fanboy disclaimer) go for the Apple Airport Extreme. Setup is simple, uptime will be counted in years and it really has no faults.

Those Airport Extremes are spendy compared to the usual consumer grade routers out there. I gave mine to a friend because I went the DIY route. He has been battling all kinds of disconnect and restart issues with 3-4 different brands. He's been running the Airport Extreme without any issues for a good 2 years now


I don't recommend it to everyone because not everyone agrees with me that spending $150 on a router is something they need to do. But I personally have had experienced those problems I mentioned above with my old cheap Belkin router. Buddy of mine had an HP laptop with Windows 7 and it just would not connect with WiFi to it. For weeks we had to plug it in wired. Then when I got the Airport Extreme it was on the first time. I also play enough Call of Duty on my XBOX to notice the difference. My neighbor has gone through three cheap routers the entire time I've owned the Airport Extreme and for what he's paid for those he could've just gotten one like mine.
 
2013-01-25 03:38:44 PM  

serial_crusher: theurge14: you could go all out and (fanboy disclaimer) go for the Apple Airport Extreme. Setup is simple, uptime will be counted in years and it really has no faults.

It's a pretty decent router, but I really wish they hadn't apple'd the configuration tool.  Especially from a Mac, the latest version doesn't let you do much beyond just changing the SSID or password.  The Windows tool is a little more robust, but still not great.


Yeah, I agree. You can still download Airport Utility 5.whatever and run it along side the new version when you need to mess with those more "obscure" settings.
 
2013-01-25 03:44:41 PM  
Linksys has always been fairly reliable for me. I have a fairly complex network setup with about 20 hosts.
A linksys WRTGSv4 with DD WRT serves as a VLAN trunking device for me, connecting down into 3 other switches for my phones (TP-link PoE), servers/clients (TP-Link Gig) and Cameras (Linksys 5 port 10/100), and also a ASUS R56 as a WAP.

A linksys WRT160N serves as my edge gateway, and also runs as a VPN tunnel gateway so I can get around GeoIP lockouts. That will be going though, replaced with hopefully a Raspberry Pi, as its 380 MHz processor just can't keep up, only getting me max 4.1 mbps over the VPN. It's been a trooper though, enduring hours of use at 1.50 load.

My only complaint about Linksys was them getting rid of the blue and black form factor. None of my stuff can really stack very well. The 160 has a stupid curved top with the status lights right on top. And the Asus is even more useless in that regards. I wish the companies would realize that this stuff doesn't always have to be pretty or elegant looking. Some of us don't care what our gear looks like when it's stuffed in a closet.

This is a thing of beauty. Modem, Router and Switch:
www.xtremesystems.org
My equivalent setup is hideously ugly.
 
2013-01-25 03:56:21 PM  
My old router died and I needed a new one in a hurry so I just bought the first cheap one I could find until I could get something better. It is a TP-Link, a rather unfortunate name for a company I've never heard of, but that was over a year ago and it still works like a champ. Plus I love the color scheme, so sick of blue routers.
 
2013-01-25 04:01:03 PM  
I have this box thing with lights on it and it does stuff. It was cheap. It hasn't broken.

/leaves nerd thread I'm unqualified to join.
 
2013-01-25 04:10:05 PM  
dd-wrt works great.
 
2013-01-25 04:10:51 PM  
ASUS RT-N16 router here, it takes alot of abuse.

Could bring a linksys or netgear router to its knees very easily with my torrenting but it takes weeks of heavy torrent traffic before the asus starts complaining. Its not perfect, I have needed to reset it a few times from extreme abuse, but that it doesn't melt down entirely is a testament to its ruggedness.

/also, whats up with dd-wrt not updating in two years now?
 
2013-01-25 04:37:30 PM  

JeffMD: Looks like its netgear for me.. although I'll check out asus on my next purchase. Or anything else that pops up on radar. Personally I can't think of any other router brands except belkin, netgear, and linksys (rated worst to best in that order).

Ive been happy with my netgear WNDR3400v2 that I picked up early last year. Spent a little money so I can get the whole upper band for my laptop alone (family is on the lower band still with G devices) and was happy to find that unlike every single netgear and linksys I had in the past, this model netgear has not been locking up or the wifi mysteriously becoming unresponsive. It does crash about 2-3 times a month but at least when it does crash, it has no problems rebooting itself (easy to tell cause the huge glowing blue button on the side lights backup). Also I am relying on the portable usb drive I plugged into it way more then I thought I would.


I been quite happy with my dlink dir 655. About the only thing it hasn't been able to handle is NAT loopback requests which is rather sad, since i run an ftp server and can't use the external ip address when connecting in the LAN network. Other than that it has really good range, spedd, gigabit ports and a decent wireless speed.

Sure it is no Sonicwall, but much cheaper.
 
2013-01-25 04:59:26 PM  

lordargent: @theurge14: I haven't yet found a Linksys or Belkin router that didn't start losing its mind after a 1-2 years of heavy residential usage (200-400 GB per month WAN, 500 GB - 1 TB per month LAN). Probably failing capacitors as a result of running too hot.

I think my oldest WRT54GL is 10 years old now, I have three of them (using two as bridges).

// DD-WRT


You're lucky, within 2 years, I went through 4 of those, and two switchbox (hubs). I gave up on Linksys over a year ago.

And from many reviews and feedback that I looked into when trying to troubleshoot it, I kept finding indications that their failure rate appears to be fairly high.
 
2013-01-25 05:00:53 PM  
That's like pushing to turds together.
 
2013-01-25 05:03:11 PM  

Skyfrog: My old router died and I needed a new one in a hurry so I just bought the first cheap one I could find until I could get something better. It is a TP-Link, a rather unfortunate name for a company I've never heard of, but that was over a year ago and it still works like a champ. Plus I love the color scheme, so sick of blue routers.


Mine:

www.tp-link.in

It's actually the best looking router I've seen.. I like the massive antennas, gives it a bad-ass look.

But cosmetics aside, it's been the best router (performance wise) that I've had... at least so far, and price wise, it was under 100$, at least 20-30$ less than similar models (other brands).
 
2013-01-25 05:04:58 PM  
The one who's been through 3-4 routers in the past few years needs to look at his power source, and get a decent, protecting powerbar between it and the wall.

The home network here is all D-Link, the oldest piece being a DI-604, from around... 2005? Kind of old but doesn't need reboots much. I'm seriously considering getting one of the new Western Digital ones whenever i finally spot a good deal.
 
2013-01-25 05:31:05 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Kimpak: WTH are you doing with your routers, installing it above a heating duct? I had a netgear I used for about 5 years, with only a few restarts here and there. Upgraded to a Linksys w/ gig ports and I've been using that flawlessly for about 2.5 years.

I have nothing but problem with consumer-grade routers and modems as well. The modem provided by Comcast (one of those little square, gray, fanless boxes) was down to strugging to maintain 1 Mbps downstream within 6 months. I've gone through 3 modems in 5 years. Had a Linksys that finally failed after about a prior 3 years of us, lost the decent Netgear modem that replaced it when the wall wort failed and fried it, the $40 Netgear PoS I replaced it with the same day couldn't go more than 2 or 3 days at most without the radio shutting off for no apparent reason and now I'm back to the original Netgear model hoping that the wall wort is better quality.

I do not understand why it's so hard to get a quality wifi router and cable modem in this country. I cannot be the only person out there who is concerned with more than just getting the lowest possible price...


It might be problems with your house's electrical system. How old is your house?
 
2013-01-25 05:33:26 PM  

the opposite of charity is justice: ASUS RT-N16 router here, it takes alot of abuse.

Could bring a linksys or netgear router to its knees very easily with my torrenting but it takes weeks of heavy torrent traffic before the asus starts complaining. Its not perfect, I have needed to reset it a few times from extreme abuse, but that it doesn't melt down entirely is a testament to its ruggedness.

/also, whats up with dd-wrt not updating in two years now?


check the forums. While the website has not been updated the actual firmware has. It is very deceiving. I don't know why but it seems the forum and the website are controlled by two different entities with those controlling the website being lazy as fark.

If i do remember correctly, the version that the website indicates is the "current" one is actually a very buggy build and can cause all sorts of problems
 
2013-01-25 05:51:34 PM  

Mokmo: The one who's been through 3-4 routers in the past few years needs to look at his power source, and get a decent, protecting powerbar between it and the wall.

The home network here is all D-Link, the oldest piece being a DI-604, from around... 2005? Kind of old but doesn't need reboots much. I'm seriously considering getting one of the new Western Digital ones whenever i finally spot a good deal.


For me, all computers and devices are plugged into a UPS, so power isn't the issue and my location is on top of a bookshelf next to a n open area, so it's getting plenty of air circulation... And as far as the Linksys routers, they were purchased from different stores at different times, and at two locations (home and at the office), either plugged in UPS or high quality power bar with power filtering... so power and air circulation aren't factors.
 
2013-01-25 06:09:04 PM  

RexTalionis: Considering that Cisco made a reputation for themselves as a networking and infrastructure company, they really managed to kill what good was left in Linksys when they bought it. Just like they did with Flip Video.

TheAlmightyOS: thinking about getting an ASUS myself. Know if they work well with dd-wrt firmware?

I have the Asus RT-N66R. Yes, it should work with DD-WRT.


DD-WRT is buggy, hasn't been developed in years, and their support team is full of dicks.

If you're going to flash your router, use OpenWRT. The last feature I asked for was in the development branch within 2 days.
 
2013-01-25 06:11:45 PM  

dk47: com image 335x333]

Here's what Linksys and Belkin and Netgear and D-Link and all the other $30 plasticy, chintzy, sweat shop grade, locking up every few hours garbage ass routers can all go do with themselves.

What do you suggest as an alternative? Seriously difficult to figure out what to buy.


I'd suggest Cradlepoint routers. But I used to work there so, I'm biased.
 
2013-01-25 06:34:40 PM  
limeyfellow: ...I been quite happy with my dlink dir 655. About the only thing it hasn't been able to handle is NAT loopback requests which is rather sad, since i run an ftp server and can't use the external ip address when connecting in the LAN network...

I do the exact same thing with my DIR-655 but I can connect to the FTP server via internal or external IP as well as by hostname with no problem.

Are you running the 2.06NA firmware?
 
2013-01-25 06:59:18 PM  

SineSwiper:
DD-WRT is buggy, hasn't been developed in years, and their support team is full of dicks.

Ah, I see you've been told by Sash to update to latest version, and use the search. I can see where his attitude comes from most of the time, but I read so many lengthy help-me posts detailing environment, steps done, actual results with screenshots, and expected results/goals (often for stuff not on the bleeding edge of that software, like IP tables), and then see his 8 word canned response, it's hard not to be annoyed by the guy. Luckily, most of the rest of the (user) community is pretty decent.
 
2013-01-25 08:31:49 PM  

SineSwiper: RexTalionis: Considering that Cisco made a reputation for themselves as a networking and infrastructure company, they really managed to kill what good was left in Linksys when they bought it. Just like they did with Flip Video.

TheAlmightyOS: thinking about getting an ASUS myself. Know if they work well with dd-wrt firmware?

I have the Asus RT-N66R. Yes, it should work with DD-WRT.

DD-WRT is buggy, hasn't been developed in years, and their support team is full of dicks.

If you're going to flash your router, use OpenWRT. The last feature I asked for was in the development branch within 2 days.


I haven't played with OpenWRT, but I thought I'd throw my 2 cents in with Tomato. I put Shibby's build on my Netgear WNR3500L instead of DD-WRT and it worked exceptionally well. The Netghear is now just an access point (my router is a pfsense Atom box), but the features were nearly comperable. The one thing the build for my router was missing was an IPSEC VPN server.

/Use OpenVPN now, anyway, because iOS now supports it.
 
2013-01-25 09:04:16 PM  

Nexzus: SineSwiper:
DD-WRT is buggy, hasn't been developed in years, and their support team is full of dicks.

Ah, I see you've been told by Sash to update to latest version, and use the search. I can see where his attitude comes from most of the time, but I read so many lengthy help-me posts detailing environment, steps done, actual results with screenshots, and expected results/goals (often for stuff not on the bleeding edge of that software, like IP tables), and then see his 8 word canned response, it's hard not to be annoyed by the guy. Luckily, most of the rest of the (user) community is pretty decent.


Sash? No. Murrkf, yes. Most of them seem to be farktards and hostile trolls. They don't support the software or users, just act like dicks when you're missing one (usually non-critical to the problem) piece of information.

My last communication with them was downright hilarious with how unhelpful they wanted were. Like I said in my final post:

However, this is really a moot point as I see the warning signs already: this project is almost dead. The website is broken and fractured. The blog doesn't exist. The development news goes to a different site design that hasn't been updated in over a year. Looking at the bug tracker, 99% of the bugs in the last 4 years are marked as new, meaning nobody has even looked at them. (You can even see the history of the tickets going from properly maintained to the weight of the issues slowly crushing the project.)

Probably most damning of all is the fractured builds between BrainSlayer and eko. Both of which are in an "/other/" directory. It reminds me of the Alan Cox builds of the Linux kernel, but that was all cleaned up inside of a month and development was back to normal Linus ownership again. This is more permanent, like the owner of the project has left long ago and nobody really knows who's manning the project any more.

It's a damn shame, but I would suggest that the development efforts abandon the project and move on to one of the other more stable projects, like OpenWRT. Since it's GPL, pieces of this code should be merged with that project or something else.

Perhaps an obituary should be put on the forum as a sticky instead of all of these pointless FAQs...
 
2013-01-25 09:16:59 PM  
Not to threadjack, but is there a firmware that lets you restrict the amount of bandwith available to an individual client? Does OpenWRT allow that?

Running DD-WRT on my cheap Linksys wifi router w/no real issues, except access restrictions don't appear to work. I probay have the buggy firmware version. *sigh*
 
2013-01-25 10:12:24 PM  

vinniethepoo: Not to threadjack, but is there a firmware that lets you restrict the amount of bandwith available to an individual client? Does OpenWRT allow that?

Running DD-WRT on my cheap Linksys wifi router w/no real issues, except access restrictions don't appear to work. I probay have the buggy firmware version. *sigh*


I told a lie: it's a D-Link. Low-end consumer model, but supported by DD-WRT.
 
2013-01-25 10:46:45 PM  
Well shiat.

/hugs E3000
 
2013-01-25 10:56:24 PM  

vinniethepoo: Not to threadjack, but is there a firmware that lets you restrict the amount of bandwith available to an individual client? Does OpenWRT allow that?

Running DD-WRT on my cheap Linksys wifi router w/no real issues, except access restrictions don't appear to work. I probay have the buggy firmware version. *sigh*


My TP-Link (pictured above) has that built-in... it's a bandwidth control option, where I can select the IP and restrict the amount of bandwidth both incoming and outgoing.
 
2013-01-25 10:59:53 PM  

SineSwiper: This is more permanent, like the owner of the project has left long ago and nobody really knows who's manning the project any more.


Yeah, I installed TomatoUSB on my WRT54G about a year ago while troubleshooting some new client adapters.  It seemed that the lights were on at DD-WRT, but nobody was home.  TomatoUSB seems to have a bit of active development going on these days.


the opposite of charity is justice: ASUS RT-N16 router


I've actually been looking at the N16 since none of my mobiles can handle the 5GHz band, but a number of reviews from people who had them for about a year suggest that they frequently turn into paperweights once they go past their warranty.  Most end up recommending Linksys or Netgear instead.  Curious if there is any validity to their statements.  OTOH, I haven't heard of many late model routers that have matched the longevity of the trusty WRT54G.
 
2013-01-25 11:39:35 PM  

Dinjiin: I've actually been looking at the N16 since none of my mobiles can handle the 5GHz band, but a number of reviews from people who had them for about a year suggest that they frequently turn into paperweights once they go past their warranty.  Most end up recommending Linksys or Netgear instead.  Curious if there is any validity to their statements.


Can only speak from personal experience, my RT-N16 was purchased in Dec 2009 and has been working under a very heavy load ever since (torrents, mail/web/ftp servers while gaming online) with no problems. DD-WRT'd the day of receipt.

TheAlmightyOS: check the forums. While the website has not been updated the actual firmware has. It is very deceiving. I don't know why but it seems the forum and the website are controlled by two different entities with those controlling the website being lazy as fark.

Oh wow, I'd not noticed the startling disparity between the website and the forum info, thanks for the pointer!
 
2013-01-26 12:05:57 AM  

serial_crusher: I've been trying to think of fun things I can do to my neighbor who's running a Linksys router with all the default configs.  Would changing the SSID to "Belkin" be too subtle?


Apparently Linksys routers have internal DNS routing tables?

Reroute their entire internet to Tubgirl.
 
2013-01-26 12:34:08 AM  

F1_Fan: I'm taking the leap to Sonicwall


Never heard of them before, so I just went and looked at some reviews of their Sonicpoint APs.  Kinda mixed.  A lot of people were griping about issues with dotN frame aggregation and wide-channel mode.  One reviewer mentioned Ubiquiti, which I peeked at.  Less than half the price for an AP, doesn't look like a battle cruiser from Star Trek and glowing reviews. Never considered getting a ceiling puc AP, but if other reviews are just as rosy, I might just keep my WRT54G as my L3 router/nat box and just upgrade the AP instead.
 
2013-01-26 07:20:19 AM  
Whaddya know - a router buyers guide
 
2013-01-26 08:00:30 AM  

Ed Grubermann:

Buffalo also makes good units.


I've got an older Buffalo AirStation, and it's fine for everything, except the WiFi on my Android phone. It will keep the signal, but it drops connectivity for some reason. Because it works (mostly) fine for every other wireless unit we have in the house, I just live with it, and just cycle the WiFi signal on the phone if it happens.

For the main home computer, we lose connectivity every once in awhile, so I just find I have to power cycle the DSL modem and router about once every two months.

nucal Whaddya know - a router buyers guide

That was my reaction. This comment is also not a bookmark. It's threads like this that keep me coming back to Fark.
 
2013-01-26 02:01:48 PM  
This is an out and out, in your face, blatant, bookmark

/cuz that's just how I roll

//Asus RT-N16 running Tomato for 2.5 years.
 
2013-01-27 10:39:15 AM  

Dinjiin: F1_Fan: I'm taking the leap to Sonicwall

Never heard of them before, so I just went and looked at some reviews of their Sonicpoint APs.  Kinda mixed.  A lot of people were griping about issues with dotN frame aggregation and wide-channel mode.  One reviewer mentioned Ubiquiti, which I peeked at.  Less than half the price for an AP, doesn't look like a battle cruiser from Star Trek and glowing reviews. Never considered getting a ceiling puc AP, but if other reviews are just as rosy, I might just keep my WRT54G as my L3 router/nat box and just upgrade the AP instead.


At work I put in a sonicwall for firewall functions and then paired it with Aruba aps. They are a bit of a pain to setup the first one, but once done they work like a charm and will program once another.
 
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