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(ESPN)   Saints officially had the worst NFL defense. Of all time. If only there was a way to give their players a psychological edge over the competition   (espn.go.com) divider line 88
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2013-01-25 01:31:12 PM  

Slow To Return: robsul82: Slow To Return: I swear to God, it's like talking to an eight year old.

Well, a sore loser of a Vikings fan who wants to blame that rather than Favre, the fumbles by AP and Harvin, his team's O-line, his team's D-line, etc., but close enough.

I have him favorited as "Slobbering Idiot Troll," but I couldn't remember why.


I dont have to tag you, you show me how much of an idiot you are with every post as a permanent reminder.
 
2013-01-25 01:31:52 PM  

justtray: Feeling is mutual.


gotch ya. Roget was 100% in the clear.
 
2013-01-25 01:32:57 PM  

Slow To Return: justtray: Like when you think someone's going to win a defamation suit because the evidence is bogus, and when it turns out they lose that suit because the evidence wasn't bogus you 'move the goalposts' to say "ya well, tagliabue (unrelated to the case) removed his suspension" so Im right.

Oh, absolutely, I said ALL of that, didn't I?


Only the part i quoted, which was paraphrased. Should i google the previous saints threads for the rest? Im sure ill find support for the prior position, even though it was the argument in this thread, too.
 
2013-01-25 01:34:24 PM  

justtray: Slow To Return: justtray: Where is he working next year?

Whoops just did some Googling ... looks like he's signed with the Saints thru 2013, and he's due to receive $6M next season.

So you also don't know how employment in the NFL works.


Like making THAT team is going to be so hard.
 
2013-01-25 01:35:18 PM  

justtray: Only the part i quoted, which was paraphrased. Should i google the previous saints threads for the rest? Im sure ill find support for the prior position, even though it was the argument in this thread, too.


You absolutely should.
 
2013-01-25 01:36:57 PM  

thecpt: justtray: Feeling is mutual.

gotch ya. Roget was 100% in the clear.


No, Roger Goodell is a terrible commisher. But Vilma and the Saints did cheat, and Goodell had more than enough evidence which proved it. At no point did he lie or defame Vilma. The a NFL has a mountain of evidence and multiple sworn statements proving such. Tagliabue removed the suspension because he took a courtroom approach (which is not required in an employment dispute) and determined while they did cheat, there wasn't enough proof that Vilma's words alone were significantly more than hype. Which is absolutely ridiculous position given the totality of the cheating.
 
2013-01-25 01:42:46 PM  

balfourk: Also don't be surprised if the Saints make a run at Revis



saints are already $13 million over the cap, i dont think they can run at Revis
but
Smith is owed 9m so he will have to redo his deal or he will be gone,
vilma is owed about 5, i have to think they will wait to see how is knees feel after an offseason of rest
i think henderson is probably gone too

i'd cut every single DB and start fresh, but at the least Harper's deal will have to be redone, or move him to LB
 
2013-01-25 01:43:42 PM  

Slow To Return: justtray: Only the part i quoted, which was paraphrased. Should i google the previous saints threads for the rest? Im sure ill find support for the prior position, even though it was the argument in this thread, too.

You absolutely should.


While not entirely what I described, this thread is funny in retrospect.

http://www.fark.com/comments/7333307/79464220#c79464220
 
2013-01-25 01:45:50 PM  

cgraves67: Maybe they should create some sort of incentives program to encourage the defensive players to make big plays.


That sounds like a brilliant idea. Why is no one doing this?
 
2013-01-25 01:47:01 PM  

justtray: No, Roger Goodell is a terrible commisher. But Vilma and the Saints did cheat, and Goodell had more than enough evidence which proved it. At no point did he lie or defame Vilma. The a NFL has a mountain of evidence and multiple sworn statements proving such. Tagliabue removed the suspension because he took a courtroom approach (which is not required in an employment dispute) and determined while they did cheat, there wasn't enough proof that Vilma's words alone were significantly more than hype. Which is absolutely ridiculous position given the totality of the cheating.


So we actually kind of agree on that. My comment is on the severity of punishment for what actually happened and the amount of accusations that he threw around. From whats come to light after such as the contradicting sworn statements from people clearly trying to cover their own ass, and inadequate means for which players can report on coaches, I thought it was clear that none of the suspensions should have happened as quickly as they did and most of them shouldn't have been severe. For him to do what he did he should of had much more condemning evidence. That's why I call it insufficient and flexing nuts.
 
2013-01-25 01:57:12 PM  

thecpt: justtray: No, Roger Goodell is a terrible commisher. But Vilma and the Saints did cheat, and Goodell had more than enough evidence which proved it. At no point did he lie or defame Vilma. The a NFL has a mountain of evidence and multiple sworn statements proving such. Tagliabue removed the suspension because he took a courtroom approach (which is not required in an employment dispute) and determined while they did cheat, there wasn't enough proof that Vilma's words alone were significantly more than hype. Which is absolutely ridiculous position given the totality of the cheating.

So we actually kind of agree on that. My comment is on the severity of punishment for what actually happened and the amount of accusations that he threw around. From whats come to light after such as the contradicting sworn statements from people clearly trying to cover their own ass, and inadequate means for which players can report on coaches, I thought it was clear that none of the suspensions should have happened as quickly as they did and most of them shouldn't have been severe. For him to do what he did he should of had much more condemning evidence. That's why I call it insufficient and flexing nuts.


Fair enough, we can agree. I think we can all agree the process and "appeals" is nonsense in the NFL. The players should have never agreed to it in the first place. Goodell should also be replaced. My argument is just such that, that position does not mean the Saints didnt cheat and deserve punishment.
 
2013-01-25 01:57:47 PM  

thecpt: justtray


I apologize for all of the pore gramar in the previous post.
 
2013-01-25 01:57:57 PM  
If I'm not mistaken, Florio said when the Berrigan judgment came down that it wasn't based on the merits of the evidence, just that Roger HAD evidence to say the things he did, and thus Vilma had no basis to prove "actual malice."  Furthermore under federal law Vilma couldn't sue, as the CBA proved impossible to legally get around.

In any case, I definitely do remember tantrums from the above when Berrigan said a while back that she'd find for Vilma if she could find a legal way to do it, screams of "bias" and such.   Rather rich in retrospect.
 
2013-01-25 02:00:47 PM  

justtray: Goodell should also be replaced.


I was on the fence about that during the lockout, but he clearly isn't the man for the job. I wish he could be cut in preseason. I just imagine him sitting down and finding a pink slip. It makes me laugh.
 
2013-01-25 02:28:21 PM  

downstairs: pute kisses like a man: mikaloyd: Buh bye Spaggy

Hello ANYbody

I don't really blame him entirely. he came in under very tough circumstances and tried to completely overhaul a defensive system for a defense that already wasn't stellar. not to mention, historically it has taken him more than a season to implement his system with other teams.

Same here.  Considering the clusterfark the whole season was, I think Spags deserved one *real* year to see what he could do.


Yeah, he didn't really have much to work with. They really need to clean house on defense. I'd start with Patrick Robinson. 2 years ago. That dude gets burned more than the Amazon Rainforest.
 
2013-01-25 02:47:31 PM  
New Orleans ranked last in the NFL in total defense and run defense, yielding the most yards (7,042) ever in a single season. The Saints went 7-9 this season and allowed 454 points; only Tennessee gave up more.

How in the FARK did they still win 7 with this hot mess of a defense? Are they in the same division as the Cards, or something?
 
2013-01-25 02:48:33 PM  

Mikey1969: New Orleans ranked last in the NFL in total defense and run defense, yielding the most yards (7,042) ever in a single season. The Saints went 7-9 this season and allowed 454 points; only Tennessee gave up more.

How in the FARK did they still win 7 with this hot mess of a defense? Are they in the same division as the Cards, or something?


Breesus Saves...as much as possible.  lol
 
2013-01-25 02:52:22 PM  
Just imagine if Drew hadn't signed and decided to pull a Carson Palmer and hold out. Ya'll would have gone 0-16.
 
2013-01-25 02:55:09 PM  
Oh and thanks justtray for continuing to be that rediculous Vikes fan who seems incapable of following logic or having a ratinoal debate about football.

You make me seem like farking GAHNDI in comparison and I appreciate it.
 
2013-01-25 02:55:11 PM  

thecpt: roc6783:***snip***

Our last two number 1 picks have both been O lineman, and I heard Saturday is pondering retirement. Just what I farking wanted. Another draft where we pick an olineman first. But good thing we resigned farking AJ the "i get all my tackles 10 yards downfield" Hawk when we did. I don't think we'll sign benson, but I'm not sure what McCarthy thinks. Maybe Dujuan played well enough.

I'm just glad that Jordy, Cobb, and even Jones (really?) showed they can carry the entire receiving corps when others aren't getting it done.


Aaron Rodgers is the only one on the team that I don't think we can afford to let go. Clay is great, but we are going to have to back up the money truck to keep him.

Would anyone hold it against Thompson if the entire draft was linemen?
 
2013-01-25 03:00:59 PM  

roc6783: Aaron Rodgers is the only one on the team that I don't think we can afford to let go.


I hear some guy named Flynn might be available.
 
2013-01-25 03:02:27 PM  

Mikey1969: .


Because Drew Brees managed to throw for a trillion yards.

Like the Cowboys game. They won 34-31. Usually if you give up 30 you lose. But when you put up 562 yards of offense it really doesn't matter what your defense does.
 
2013-01-25 03:03:21 PM  

IAmRight: SuperChuck: HulkHands: They then did the prudent thing and waited for every passable candidate to be hired before firing their defensive coordinator

Ray Horton is available. He had the Cardinals defense playing well. So obviously he's some kind of wizard.

The Browns hired him.

Deneb81: GQueue: The Saints defense never stopped providing a bounty even this season, this year it was a bounty of points to the other team.

Rob Ryan is a available...

The Rams hired him.

/it's like no one even pays attention to coaching hires


It took more than five minutes, so we all left for happy hour.
 
2013-01-25 03:08:36 PM  

roc6783: Aaron Rodgers is the only one on the team that I don't think we can afford to let go. Clay is great, but we are going to have to back up the money truck to keep him.

Would anyone hold it against Thompson if the entire draft was linemen?


Have we not franchise tagged Aaron yet?... is that best?

And yeah. Clay is a great pass rusher. But damnit, I highly doubt that we keep him. The 3-4 confuses me with the personnel they employ. If we keep doing the 3-4 we truly need to keep Raji and Mathews, and then there is the Woodson situation. He's a ten mil cap hit each of the next two years. Ugh. (I did get his jersey for christmas, so i'm biased on keeping him)

interesting Woodson contract read
 
2013-01-25 03:10:52 PM  

Treygreen13: Mikey1969: .

Because Drew Brees managed to throw for a trillion yards.

Like the Cowboys game. They won 34-31. Usually if you give up 30 you lose. But when you put up 562 yards of offense it really doesn't matter what your defense does.


Wow, that's insane, I didn't realize the offense and Defense were such polar opposites this year.

Usually when you have one unit stink, the other one isn't shining like a beacon. They may do well, but if your 'D' is that bad, it usually draws the 'O' down more than that.
 
2013-01-25 03:12:16 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: roc6783: Aaron Rodgers is the only one on the team that I don't think we can afford to let go.

I hear some guy named Flynn might be available.


You're right, the Vikings had quite a bit of success with Packers leftovers. ;)
 
2013-01-25 03:16:54 PM  

thecpt: roc6783: Aaron Rodgers is the only one on the team that I don't think we can afford to let go. Clay is great, but we are going to have to back up the money truck to keep him.

Would anyone hold it against Thompson if the entire draft was linemen?

Have we not franchise tagged Aaron yet?... is that best?

And yeah. Clay is a great pass rusher. But damnit, I highly doubt that we keep him. The 3-4 confuses me with the personnel they employ. If we keep doing the 3-4 we truly need to keep Raji and Mathews, and then there is the Woodson situation. He's a ten mil cap hit each of the next two years. Ugh. (I did get his jersey for christmas, so i'm biased on keeping him)

interesting Woodson contract read


Don't franchise him till you have to. Seems like the guy will be pretty loyal to the team and fanbase and would work a deal without needing to go crazy. Wrap him up for like 7 or 8 years and be done with it. Srsly.

And you would think Woodson would rework that conract too. If not, cut him.
 
2013-01-25 03:20:06 PM  

thecpt: roc6783: ***snip***
He's a ten mil cap hit each of the next two years. Ugh. (I did get his jersey for christmas, so i'm biased on keeping him)

interesting Woodson contract read


From your link: "I think the benefits to Woodson's presence outweigh the potential problems, even on his current contract."

I just don't agree. If he's that valuable at helping guys develop, get him a clipboard and put him on the sideline. There is no salary cap on coaching staff. If he won't restructure, his salary will be too much of a hit.
 
2013-01-25 03:22:44 PM  

roc6783: If he's that valuable at helping guys develop, get him a clipboard and put him on the sideline. There is no salary cap on coaching staff. If he won't restructure, his salary will be too much of a hit.


My thoughts exactly. I think he'll want to do that. He doesn't sound like he's done playing and no one is dumb enough to pick up that contract....awaits Philly's challenge accepted.....no one.
 
2013-01-25 03:24:48 PM  

roc6783: Jim from Saint Paul: roc6783: Aaron Rodgers is the only one on the team that I don't think we can afford to let go.

I hear some guy named Flynn might be available.

You're right, the Vikings had quite a bit of success with Packers leftovers. ;)


I'd seriously consider him. Ponder came on after getting married, no doubt. I just know that people should FINALLY be done with Joe Webb as the backup around here. PLEASE.
 
2013-01-25 03:34:48 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: roc6783: Jim from Saint Paul: roc6783: ***snip***

I'd seriously consider him. Ponder came on after getting married, no doubt. I just know that people should FINALLY be done with Joe Webb as the backup around here. PLEASE.


I'm ok with the decision to keep him, he really adds something to the opponent's defense.
 
2013-01-25 04:19:31 PM  

Mikey1969: Treygreen13: Mikey1969: .

Because Drew Brees managed to throw for a trillion yards.

Like the Cowboys game. They won 34-31. Usually if you give up 30 you lose. But when you put up 562 yards of offense it really doesn't matter what your defense does.

Wow, that's insane, I didn't realize the offense and Defense were such polar opposites this year.

Usually when you have one unit stink, the other one isn't shining like a beacon. They may do well, but if your 'D' is that bad, it usually draws the 'O' down more than that.


Allow me to sum up the atmosphere at the bars this past season: Go Drew! Ah shiat, here comes the D....

/repeat until December, hope for a better season next year
 
2013-01-25 04:20:12 PM  

roc6783: Jim from Saint Paul: roc6783: Jim from Saint Paul: roc6783: ***snip***

I'd seriously consider him. Ponder came on after getting married, no doubt. I just know that people should FINALLY be done with Joe Webb as the backup around here. PLEASE.

I'm ok with the decision to keep him, he really adds something to the opponent's defense.


+3

/to the turnover ratio
 
2013-01-25 06:23:15 PM  
Are beer and BJ's banned by the NFL?

I would've bribed them with booze and sex with your mom.....
 
2013-01-25 06:30:40 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: roc6783: Jim from Saint Paul: roc6783: Aaron Rodgers is the only one on the team that I don't think we can afford to let go.

I hear some guy named Flynn might be available.

You're right, the Vikings had quite a bit of success with Packers leftovers. ;)

I'd seriously consider him. Ponder came on after getting married, no doubt. I just know that people should FINALLY be done with Joe Webb as the backup around here. PLEASE.


I think AP found a potential replacement:

i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-25 06:42:24 PM  
wait isn't Lovey Smith jobless? Doesn't he run a 3-4? I don't know how to google things..

I'd take him as a D-Boss.
 
2013-01-25 07:19:00 PM  

10up: wait isn't Lovey Smith jobless? Doesn't he run a 3-4? I don't know how to google things..

I'd take him as a D-Boss.


Unless you want to pay him $5M as D-Coordinator which is what he's getting to sit home year from Da Bears.
 
2013-01-26 10:05:52 AM  

UNC_Samurai: Jim from Saint Paul: roc6783: Jim from Saint Paul: roc6783: Aaron Rodgers is the only one on the team that I don't think we can afford to let go.

I hear some guy named Flynn might be available.

You're right, the Vikings had quite a bit of success with Packers leftovers. ;)

I'd seriously consider him. Ponder came on after getting married, no doubt. I just know that people should FINALLY be done with Joe Webb as the backup around here. PLEASE.

I think AP found a potential replacement:

[i.imgur.com image 850x816]


If nothing else it'd be a TASTY replacement.
 
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