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2013-01-25 10:28:38 AM  
I love the irony of this happening in the same season as the airing of that commercial with the dude watching football on his phone and saying the the Saints have the "best defense in the league."

/Clay Matthews: "I will eat you."
 
2013-01-25 10:53:34 AM  
But if it wasn't giving them advantage why were they doing it?
 
2013-01-25 11:18:24 AM  
They then did the prudent thing and waited for every passable candidate to be hired before firing their defensive coordinator
 
2013-01-25 11:57:52 AM  
The Saints defense never stopped providing a bounty even this season, this year it was a bounty of points to the other team.
 
2013-01-25 11:58:04 AM  

HulkHands: They then did the prudent thing and waited for every passable candidate to be hired before firing their defensive coordinator


Ray Horton is available. He had the Cardinals defense playing well. So obviously he's some kind of wizard.
 
2013-01-25 11:58:39 AM  
Buh bye Spaggy

Hello ANYbody
 
2013-01-25 11:59:27 AM  

GQueue: The Saints defense never stopped providing a bounty even this season, this year it was a bounty of points to the other team.


Rob Ryan is a available...
 
2013-01-25 12:06:33 PM  

mikaloyd: Buh bye Spaggy

Hello ANYbody


I don't really blame him entirely. he came in under very tough circumstances and tried to completely overhaul a defensive system for a defense that already wasn't stellar. not to mention, historically it has taken him more than a season to implement his system with other teams.
 
2013-01-25 12:13:12 PM  
if only there was a way that they could of had the full defense as they prepared it. But Goodell had to flex nuts based off insufficient evidence.
 
2013-01-25 12:13:14 PM  

Deneb81: GQueue: The Saints defense never stopped providing a bounty even this season, this year it was a bounty of points to the other team.

Rob Ryan is a available...


No he's not, and who cares if he was? Does Gary Gibbs have a job? I like vanilla...
 
2013-01-25 12:13:14 PM  

pute kisses like a man: mikaloyd: Buh bye Spaggy

Hello ANYbody

I don't really blame him entirely. he came in under very tough circumstances and tried to completely overhaul a defensive system for a defense that already wasn't stellar. not to mention, historically it has taken him more than a season to implement his system with other teams.


He lost to the Chiefs
 
2013-01-25 12:14:05 PM  

mikaloyd: Buh bye Spaggy

Hello ANYbody


I don't think anyone would have coached up the Saints defense last year to even "average". A mix of overrated or just-not-very-good players combined with the mindf*ck of an offseason they had.
 
2013-01-25 12:15:34 PM  

Killer Cars: mikaloyd: Buh bye Spaggy

Hello ANYbody

I don't think anyone would have coached up the Saints defense last year to even "average". A mix of overrated or just-not-very-good players combined with the mindf*ck of an offseason they had.


They lost to the chiefs. In the superdome
 
2013-01-25 12:18:32 PM  
The 3-4 defense means that Vilma is gone. He left the Jets for NOLA because they switched to a 3-4 and he hated it. This may mean that Will Smith stays though. He would have to take a major pay cut to do that, he is owed over $10M and hasn't been playing like it, plus he has never played in a 3-4. The Saints certainly won't be drafting a DT in the first round now. They will run with Bunkley and Hicks as their first two on the depth chart and find a cheap third stringer later. The Saints have to find and impact OLB now, look for that in the first round of the draft.

Also don't be surprised if the Saints make a run at Revis.
 
2013-01-25 12:18:40 PM  

SuperChuck: HulkHands: They then did the prudent thing and waited for every passable candidate to be hired before firing their defensive coordinator

Ray Horton is available. He had the Cardinals defense playing well. So obviously he's some kind of wizard.


The Browns hired him.

Deneb81: GQueue: The Saints defense never stopped providing a bounty even this season, this year it was a bounty of points to the other team.

Rob Ryan is a available...


The Rams hired him.

/it's like no one even pays attention to coaching hires
 
2013-01-25 12:22:00 PM  

mikaloyd: They lost to the chiefs. In the superdome


In fairness, I have enough respect for the Saints' offense where them only scoring 24 points at home against a non-playoff team is, to me, major weaksauce.
 
2013-01-25 12:22:00 PM  

balfourk: The 3-4 defense means that Vilma is gone. He left the Jets for NOLA because they switched to a 3-4 and he hated it. This may mean that Will Smith stays though. He would have to take a major pay cut to do that, he is owed over $10M and hasn't been playing like it, plus he has never played in a 3-4. The Saints certainly won't be drafting a DT in the first round now. They will run with Bunkley and Hicks as their first two on the depth chart and find a cheap third stringer later. The Saints have to find and impact OLB now, look for that in the first round of the draft.

Also don't be surprised if the Saints make a run at Revis.


Considering his penchant for wanting to redo his deal every other year (if you are lucky), and getting hurt, is Revis worth the $$$ these days?
 
2013-01-25 12:37:07 PM  

pute kisses like a man: mikaloyd: Buh bye Spaggy

Hello ANYbody

I don't really blame him entirely. he came in under very tough circumstances and tried to completely overhaul a defensive system for a defense that already wasn't stellar. not to mention, historically it has taken him more than a season to implement his system with other teams.


Same here.  Considering the clusterfark the whole season was, I think Spags deserved one *real* year to see what he could do.
 
2013-01-25 12:39:33 PM  

IAmRight: SuperChuck: HulkHands: They then did the prudent thing and waited for every passable candidate to be hired before firing their defensive coordinator

Ray Horton is available. He had the Cardinals defense playing well. So obviously he's some kind of wizard.

The Browns hired him.

Deneb81: GQueue: The Saints defense never stopped providing a bounty even this season, this year it was a bounty of points to the other team.

Rob Ryan is a available...

The Rams hired him.

/it's like no one even pays attention to coaching hires


Stopped anything but FARK Sports after Sunday - except the Caldwell/consultant thing the Ravens did. As a Baltimore fan, I kinda checked out on news after reading a few SB 'personal interest' stories.

I'll pick back up next week when people are actually making predictions and discussing the teams on the field.

Also, Rob Ryan was a joke. He'd be TERRIBLE for the Saints.
 
2013-01-25 12:40:38 PM  
Maybe they should create some sort of incentives program to encourage the defensive players to make big plays.
 
2013-01-25 12:43:53 PM  

balfourk: The 3-4 defense means that Vilma is gone. He left the Jets for NOLA because they switched to a 3-4 and he hated it. This may mean that Will Smith stays though. He would have to take a major pay cut to do that, he is owed over $10M and hasn't been playing like it, plus he has never played in a 3-4. The Saints certainly won't be drafting a DT in the first round now. They will run with Bunkley and Hicks as their first two on the depth chart and find a cheap third stringer later. The Saints have to find and impact OLB now, look for that in the first round of the draft.

Also don't be surprised if the Saints make a run at Revis.


Ravens have Reed (FS), Kruger (OLB), and Ellerbe (MLB) about to go FA. I'm guessing they try to keep Kruger (pass rush specialist with some decent but not stellar talent as a run-stopper and cover man) and Ellerbe (decent talent, some reported work ethic issues, but a thin position with Lewis leaving).

I believe Reed will walk - and is a NO native.

If BAL keeps him instead, one of the others is gone for cap issues.
 
2013-01-25 12:44:41 PM  

Deneb81: Also, Rob Ryan was a joke. He'd be TERRIBLE for the Saints.


Well, it's a good thing that...

IAmRight: The Rams hired him.

/it's like no one even pays attention to coaching hires


//it's like nobody reads the quoted responses to their own posts
///not thrilled bout the Ryan hire
 
2013-01-25 12:45:04 PM  

Deneb81: balfourk: The 3-4 defense means that Vilma is gone. He left the Jets for NOLA because they switched to a 3-4 and he hated it. This may mean that Will Smith stays though. He would have to take a major pay cut to do that, he is owed over $10M and hasn't been playing like it, plus he has never played in a 3-4. The Saints certainly won't be drafting a DT in the first round now. They will run with Bunkley and Hicks as their first two on the depth chart and find a cheap third stringer later. The Saints have to find and impact OLB now, look for that in the first round of the draft.

Also don't be surprised if the Saints make a run at Revis.

Ravens have Reed (FS), Kruger (OLB), and Ellerbe (MLB) about to go FA. I'm guessing they try to keep Kruger (pass rush specialist with some decent but not stellar talent as a run-stopper and cover man) and Ellerbe (decent talent, some reported work ethic issues, but a thin position with Lewis leaving).

I believe Reed will walk - and is a NO native.

If BAL keeps him instead, one of the others is gone for cap issues.


Cary Williams (CB) will also walk.
 
2013-01-25 12:47:46 PM  

grinding_journalist: Deneb81: Also, Rob Ryan was a joke. He'd be TERRIBLE for the Saints.

Well, it's a good thing that...

IAmRight: The Rams hired him.

/it's like no one even pays attention to coaching hires

//it's like nobody reads the quoted responses to their own posts
///not thrilled bout the Ryan hire


It *IS* like people don't read things they quote!

I admitted that I hadn't been paying attention to the coaching hires for the past week or so. You know - in responsd to his comment!

Then said the comment was a joke anyway.
 
2013-01-25 12:48:11 PM  

thecpt: if only there was a way that they could of had the full defense as they prepared it. But Goodell had to flex nuts based off insufficient evidence.


Hows that defamation* suit going?

Get used to them*.
 
2013-01-25 12:48:29 PM  
The 'Aints had a piss-poor defense to begin with, and it didn't get any better losing star players for most of the season.

It does put in perspective exactly how amazing their offense was during their SB year and other playoff runs - it stayed on the field long enough to keep the defense off it, and scored enough points to cover their deficiencies.

Switching to 3-4 makes a little sense in this pass-first league, but they may be making their run defense even worse in the bargain. Finding legit run-stuffing linebackers who can play 3-4 is hard.
 
2013-01-25 12:48:58 PM  
Well, I figured on one more year due to "no other year like it, you know?" but I can't REALLY complain.  Those were a lot of yards, man.
 
2013-01-25 12:52:45 PM  

justtray: thecpt: if only there was a way that they could of had the full defense as they prepared it. But Goodell had to flex nuts based off insufficient evidence.

Hows that defamation* suit going?

Get used to them*.


used to what?

"While the Court is extremely disturbed by the fundamental lack of due process in Goodell's denying the players the identities of and the right to confront their accusers, that was substantially rectified later in the process," Berrigan wrote. "So while the process was initially procedurally flawed, the statements were ultimately found to have enough support to defeat the defamation claims."

He's technically right. The best kind of right.

/I'm not even a Saints fan. Just feel bad their fans had to put up with that bs.
 
2013-01-25 12:53:34 PM  

cefm: The 'Aints had a piss-poor defense to begin with, and it didn't get any better losing star players for most of the season.

It does put in perspective exactly how amazing their offense was during their SB year and other playoff runs - it stayed on the field long enough to keep the defense off it, and scored enough points to cover their deficiencies.

Switching to 3-4 makes a little sense in this pass-first league, but they may be making their run defense even worse in the bargain. Finding legit run-stuffing linebackers who can play 3-4 is hard.


3-4 is also better equipped to face the new read-option QBs the league is seeing.

And all 4 good ones are in the NFC - with Cam being in division. They'll be seeing a lot of RG3, Kaepernic, Newton and Willson.
 
2013-01-25 12:55:50 PM  

justtray: Hows that defamation* suit going?

Get used to them*.


I'm pretty sure Vilma's pleased with the ultimate outcome of the defamation suit, why do you ask?
 
2013-01-25 01:00:14 PM  
I can't wait to see what the Packers do in free agency/draft. On top of having a crappy O-Line, under performing TEs, under performing D-line, worthless MLBs, and inconsistent secondary, Jennings is going, and Matthews, Raji, and Rodgers have contracts coming up.

//I have a feeling that the Packers are going to resemble the Peyton-era Colts soon. Which is fine, until the playoffs.
 
2013-01-25 01:02:16 PM  
When the Saints call a 3-4 or 4-3 they're just counting the number of touchdowns to be given up.
 
2013-01-25 01:04:58 PM  
Vilma could be really productive in a 3-4. Now with Lofton added into the corps it's okay to give Vilma less responsibility on the field (ie: field to cover) but let him maintain his defensive captain responsibility.

If Vilma is gone this year it will be because of his cap number, not a 3-4 defense. We played 3-4 all the time under Greggggg.

I hope we get rid of smith this year. I wanted him to walk when we got rid of Charles Grant, the first MAYBE 2 years were okay. He hasn't been worth the accolade or money since 2006.
 
2013-01-25 01:05:13 PM  

Slow To Return: justtray: Hows that defamation* suit going?

Get used to them*.

I'm pretty sure Vilma's pleased with the ultimate outcome of the defamation suit, why do you ask?


Really? You think he's pleased his suit failed and his career is over? Ok.
 
2013-01-25 01:06:07 PM  
threadjackish rant

Yes, your gouty aunt could run on the Saints, yet gawdamm Garrett called only 11 rushes compared to 43 passes. Stupid mofo.

/threadjackish rant
 
2013-01-25 01:06:50 PM  

thecpt: justtray: thecpt: if only there was a way that they could of had the full defense as they prepared it. But Goodell had to flex nuts based off insufficient evidence.

Hows that defamation* suit going?

Get used to them*.

used to what?

"While the Court is extremely disturbed by the fundamental lack of due process in Goodell's denying the players the identities of and the right to confront their accusers, that was substantially rectified later in the process," Berrigan wrote. "So while the process was initially procedurally flawed, the statements were ultimately found to have enough support to defeat the defamation claims."

He's technically right. The best kind of right.

/I'm not even a Saints fan. Just feel bad their fans had to put up with that bs.


Actually he's technically wrong, thus my point entirely.

I bolded it for you since you seem to be retarded.
 
2013-01-25 01:08:30 PM  

roc6783: I can't wait to see what the Packers do in free agency/draft. On top of having a crappy O-Line, under performing TEs, under performing D-line, worthless MLBs, and inconsistent secondary, Jennings is going, and Matthews, Raji, and Rodgers have contracts coming up.

//I have a feeling that the Packers are going to resemble the Peyton-era Colts soon. Which is fine, until the playoffs.


Our last two number 1 picks have both been O lineman, and I heard Saturday is pondering retirement. Just what I farking wanted. Another draft where we pick an olineman first. But good thing we resigned farking AJ the "i get all my tackles 10 yards downfield" Hawk when we did. I don't think we'll sign benson, but I'm not sure what McCarthy thinks. Maybe Dujuan played well enough.

I'm just glad that Jordy, Cobb, and even Jones (really?) showed they can carry the entire receiving corps when others aren't getting it done.
 
2013-01-25 01:09:31 PM  

SuperChuck: HulkHands: They then did the prudent thing and waited for every passable candidate to be hired before firing their defensive coordinator

Ray Horton is available. He had the Cardinals defense playing well. So obviously he's some kind of wizard.


Deneb81: GQueue: The Saints defense never stopped providing a bounty even this season, this year it was a bounty of points to the other team.

Rob Ryan is a available...


pretty sure Horton is with Cleveland and Ryan with St. Louis
 
2013-01-25 01:11:57 PM  
Eagles calling in 3...2...
 
2013-01-25 01:13:12 PM  

justtray: Really? You think he's pleased his suit failed and his career is over? Ok.


You can argue till you're blue in the face about legal tactics and such. But at the end of the day, Vilma managed to recoup his 2012 salary in full.
 
2013-01-25 01:16:09 PM  

Slow To Return: justtray: Really? You think he's pleased his suit failed and his career is over? Ok.

You can argue till you're blue in the face about legal tactics and such. But at the end of the day, Vilma managed to recoup his 2012 salary in full.


Did you throw out your back moving those goalposts?

Allow me to retort anyway. At what cost? How much did his lawyer soak up? Where is he working next year? What's the over under on total number of years before he's broke?

Councillor, I rest my case
 
2013-01-25 01:16:12 PM  

justtray: Actually he's technically wrong, thus my point entirely.

I bolded it for you since you seem to be retarded


we're talking about two different things.

While the Court is extremely disturbed by the fundamental lack of due process in Goodell's denying the players the identities of and the right to confront their accusers

I'm talking about that part. As it actually happened and the penalties he was trying to dole out at the beginning, he should of had a lot more than what he did. Your linking my two statements which were about different things and didn't explain your comment that I questioned. If you're okay with all of the penalties given to the Saints, coaches, and players this season than go ahead and call me retarded, because I don't give a shiat about your opinion then.
 
2013-01-25 01:21:18 PM  

justtray: Slow To Return: justtray: Really? You think he's pleased his suit failed and his career is over? Ok.

You can argue till you're blue in the face about legal tactics and such. But at the end of the day, Vilma managed to recoup his 2012 salary in full.

Did you throw out your back moving those goalposts?

Allow me to retort anyway. At what cost? How much did his lawyer soak up? Where is he working next year? What's the over under on total number of years before he's broke?

Councillor, I rest my case


Goalposts?? I swear to God, it's like talking to an eight year old.

Let me retort anyway.

How much did his lawyer soak up? I'm going to guess somewhere far south of 100%.

Where is he working next year? What's the over under on total number of years before he's broke? The answers to these questions are the same for ANY player. If his career is over, it's because he's too old to continue playing. His suspension didn't speed up the aging process, as far as I'm aware.
 
2013-01-25 01:25:13 PM  

thecpt: justtray: Actually he's technically wrong, thus my point entirely.

I bolded it for you since you seem to be retarded

we're talking about two different things.

While the Court is extremely disturbed by the fundamental lack of due process in Goodell's denying the players the identities of and the right to confront their accusers

I'm talking about that part. As it actually happened and the penalties he was trying to dole out at the beginning, he should of had a lot more than what he did. Your linking my two statements which were about different things and didn't explain your comment that I questioned. If you're okay with all of the penalties given to the Saints, coaches, and players this season than go ahead and call me retarded, because I don't give a shiat about your opinion then.


Feeling is mutual.
 
2013-01-25 01:26:25 PM  

justtray: Where is he working next year?


Whoops just did some Googling ... looks like he's signed with the Saints thru 2013, and he's due to receive $6M next season.
 
2013-01-25 01:26:52 PM  

Slow To Return: I swear to God, it's like talking to an eight year old.


Well, a sore loser of a Vikings fan who wants to blame that rather than Favre, the fumbles by AP and Harvin, his team's O-line, his team's D-line, etc., but close enough.
 
2013-01-25 01:29:08 PM  

Slow To Return: justtray: Slow To Return: justtray: Really? You think he's pleased his suit failed and his career is over? Ok.

You can argue till you're blue in the face about legal tactics and such. But at the end of the day, Vilma managed to recoup his 2012 salary in full.

Did you throw out your back moving those goalposts?

Allow me to retort anyway. At what cost? How much did his lawyer soak up? Where is he working next year? What's the over under on total number of years before he's broke?

Councillor, I rest my case

Goalposts?? I swear to God, it's like talking to an eight year old.

Let me retort anyway.

How much did his lawyer soak up? I'm going to guess somewhere far south of 100%.

Where is he working next year? What's the over under on total number of years before he's broke? The answers to these questions are the same for ANY player. If his career is over, it's because he's too old to continue playing. His suspension didn't speed up the aging process, as far as I'm aware.


Is a logical fallacy for when you change the criteria for the argument. Like when you think someone's going to win a defamation suit because the evidence is bogus, and when it turns out they lose that suit because the evidence wasn't bogus you 'move the goalposts' to say "ya well, tagliabue (unrelated to the case) removed his suspension" so Im right.

But yes, talking to you is like taking to an 8 year old. And sadly, you're probably nearly twice that age.
 
2013-01-25 01:29:28 PM  

robsul82: Slow To Return: I swear to God, it's like talking to an eight year old.

Well, a sore loser of a Vikings fan who wants to blame that rather than Favre, the fumbles by AP and Harvin, his team's O-line, his team's D-line, etc., but close enough.


I have him favorited as "Slobbering Idiot Troll," but I couldn't remember why.
 
2013-01-25 01:30:07 PM  

Slow To Return: justtray: Where is he working next year?

Whoops just did some Googling ... looks like he's signed with the Saints thru 2013, and he's due to receive $6M next season.


So you also don't know how employment in the NFL works.
 
2013-01-25 01:30:38 PM  

justtray: Like when you think someone's going to win a defamation suit because the evidence is bogus, and when it turns out they lose that suit because the evidence wasn't bogus you 'move the goalposts' to say "ya well, tagliabue (unrelated to the case) removed his suspension" so Im right.


Oh, absolutely, I said ALL of that, didn't I?
 
2013-01-25 01:31:12 PM  

Slow To Return: robsul82: Slow To Return: I swear to God, it's like talking to an eight year old.

Well, a sore loser of a Vikings fan who wants to blame that rather than Favre, the fumbles by AP and Harvin, his team's O-line, his team's D-line, etc., but close enough.

I have him favorited as "Slobbering Idiot Troll," but I couldn't remember why.


I dont have to tag you, you show me how much of an idiot you are with every post as a permanent reminder.
 
2013-01-25 01:31:52 PM  

justtray: Feeling is mutual.


gotch ya. Roget was 100% in the clear.
 
2013-01-25 01:32:57 PM  

Slow To Return: justtray: Like when you think someone's going to win a defamation suit because the evidence is bogus, and when it turns out they lose that suit because the evidence wasn't bogus you 'move the goalposts' to say "ya well, tagliabue (unrelated to the case) removed his suspension" so Im right.

Oh, absolutely, I said ALL of that, didn't I?


Only the part i quoted, which was paraphrased. Should i google the previous saints threads for the rest? Im sure ill find support for the prior position, even though it was the argument in this thread, too.
 
2013-01-25 01:34:24 PM  

justtray: Slow To Return: justtray: Where is he working next year?

Whoops just did some Googling ... looks like he's signed with the Saints thru 2013, and he's due to receive $6M next season.

So you also don't know how employment in the NFL works.


Like making THAT team is going to be so hard.
 
2013-01-25 01:35:18 PM  

justtray: Only the part i quoted, which was paraphrased. Should i google the previous saints threads for the rest? Im sure ill find support for the prior position, even though it was the argument in this thread, too.


You absolutely should.
 
2013-01-25 01:36:57 PM  

thecpt: justtray: Feeling is mutual.

gotch ya. Roget was 100% in the clear.


No, Roger Goodell is a terrible commisher. But Vilma and the Saints did cheat, and Goodell had more than enough evidence which proved it. At no point did he lie or defame Vilma. The a NFL has a mountain of evidence and multiple sworn statements proving such. Tagliabue removed the suspension because he took a courtroom approach (which is not required in an employment dispute) and determined while they did cheat, there wasn't enough proof that Vilma's words alone were significantly more than hype. Which is absolutely ridiculous position given the totality of the cheating.
 
2013-01-25 01:42:46 PM  

balfourk: Also don't be surprised if the Saints make a run at Revis



saints are already $13 million over the cap, i dont think they can run at Revis
but
Smith is owed 9m so he will have to redo his deal or he will be gone,
vilma is owed about 5, i have to think they will wait to see how is knees feel after an offseason of rest
i think henderson is probably gone too

i'd cut every single DB and start fresh, but at the least Harper's deal will have to be redone, or move him to LB
 
2013-01-25 01:43:42 PM  

Slow To Return: justtray: Only the part i quoted, which was paraphrased. Should i google the previous saints threads for the rest? Im sure ill find support for the prior position, even though it was the argument in this thread, too.

You absolutely should.


While not entirely what I described, this thread is funny in retrospect.

http://www.fark.com/comments/7333307/79464220#c79464220
 
2013-01-25 01:45:50 PM  

cgraves67: Maybe they should create some sort of incentives program to encourage the defensive players to make big plays.


That sounds like a brilliant idea. Why is no one doing this?
 
2013-01-25 01:47:01 PM  

justtray: No, Roger Goodell is a terrible commisher. But Vilma and the Saints did cheat, and Goodell had more than enough evidence which proved it. At no point did he lie or defame Vilma. The a NFL has a mountain of evidence and multiple sworn statements proving such. Tagliabue removed the suspension because he took a courtroom approach (which is not required in an employment dispute) and determined while they did cheat, there wasn't enough proof that Vilma's words alone were significantly more than hype. Which is absolutely ridiculous position given the totality of the cheating.


So we actually kind of agree on that. My comment is on the severity of punishment for what actually happened and the amount of accusations that he threw around. From whats come to light after such as the contradicting sworn statements from people clearly trying to cover their own ass, and inadequate means for which players can report on coaches, I thought it was clear that none of the suspensions should have happened as quickly as they did and most of them shouldn't have been severe. For him to do what he did he should of had much more condemning evidence. That's why I call it insufficient and flexing nuts.
 
2013-01-25 01:57:12 PM  

thecpt: justtray: No, Roger Goodell is a terrible commisher. But Vilma and the Saints did cheat, and Goodell had more than enough evidence which proved it. At no point did he lie or defame Vilma. The a NFL has a mountain of evidence and multiple sworn statements proving such. Tagliabue removed the suspension because he took a courtroom approach (which is not required in an employment dispute) and determined while they did cheat, there wasn't enough proof that Vilma's words alone were significantly more than hype. Which is absolutely ridiculous position given the totality of the cheating.

So we actually kind of agree on that. My comment is on the severity of punishment for what actually happened and the amount of accusations that he threw around. From whats come to light after such as the contradicting sworn statements from people clearly trying to cover their own ass, and inadequate means for which players can report on coaches, I thought it was clear that none of the suspensions should have happened as quickly as they did and most of them shouldn't have been severe. For him to do what he did he should of had much more condemning evidence. That's why I call it insufficient and flexing nuts.


Fair enough, we can agree. I think we can all agree the process and "appeals" is nonsense in the NFL. The players should have never agreed to it in the first place. Goodell should also be replaced. My argument is just such that, that position does not mean the Saints didnt cheat and deserve punishment.
 
2013-01-25 01:57:47 PM  

thecpt: justtray


I apologize for all of the pore gramar in the previous post.
 
2013-01-25 01:57:57 PM  
If I'm not mistaken, Florio said when the Berrigan judgment came down that it wasn't based on the merits of the evidence, just that Roger HAD evidence to say the things he did, and thus Vilma had no basis to prove "actual malice."  Furthermore under federal law Vilma couldn't sue, as the CBA proved impossible to legally get around.

In any case, I definitely do remember tantrums from the above when Berrigan said a while back that she'd find for Vilma if she could find a legal way to do it, screams of "bias" and such.   Rather rich in retrospect.
 
2013-01-25 02:00:47 PM  

justtray: Goodell should also be replaced.


I was on the fence about that during the lockout, but he clearly isn't the man for the job. I wish he could be cut in preseason. I just imagine him sitting down and finding a pink slip. It makes me laugh.
 
2013-01-25 02:28:21 PM  

downstairs: pute kisses like a man: mikaloyd: Buh bye Spaggy

Hello ANYbody

I don't really blame him entirely. he came in under very tough circumstances and tried to completely overhaul a defensive system for a defense that already wasn't stellar. not to mention, historically it has taken him more than a season to implement his system with other teams.

Same here.  Considering the clusterfark the whole season was, I think Spags deserved one *real* year to see what he could do.


Yeah, he didn't really have much to work with. They really need to clean house on defense. I'd start with Patrick Robinson. 2 years ago. That dude gets burned more than the Amazon Rainforest.
 
2013-01-25 02:47:31 PM  
New Orleans ranked last in the NFL in total defense and run defense, yielding the most yards (7,042) ever in a single season. The Saints went 7-9 this season and allowed 454 points; only Tennessee gave up more.

How in the FARK did they still win 7 with this hot mess of a defense? Are they in the same division as the Cards, or something?
 
2013-01-25 02:48:33 PM  

Mikey1969: New Orleans ranked last in the NFL in total defense and run defense, yielding the most yards (7,042) ever in a single season. The Saints went 7-9 this season and allowed 454 points; only Tennessee gave up more.

How in the FARK did they still win 7 with this hot mess of a defense? Are they in the same division as the Cards, or something?


Breesus Saves...as much as possible.  lol
 
2013-01-25 02:52:22 PM  
Just imagine if Drew hadn't signed and decided to pull a Carson Palmer and hold out. Ya'll would have gone 0-16.
 
2013-01-25 02:55:09 PM  
Oh and thanks justtray for continuing to be that rediculous Vikes fan who seems incapable of following logic or having a ratinoal debate about football.

You make me seem like farking GAHNDI in comparison and I appreciate it.
 
2013-01-25 02:55:11 PM  

thecpt: roc6783:***snip***

Our last two number 1 picks have both been O lineman, and I heard Saturday is pondering retirement. Just what I farking wanted. Another draft where we pick an olineman first. But good thing we resigned farking AJ the "i get all my tackles 10 yards downfield" Hawk when we did. I don't think we'll sign benson, but I'm not sure what McCarthy thinks. Maybe Dujuan played well enough.

I'm just glad that Jordy, Cobb, and even Jones (really?) showed they can carry the entire receiving corps when others aren't getting it done.


Aaron Rodgers is the only one on the team that I don't think we can afford to let go. Clay is great, but we are going to have to back up the money truck to keep him.

Would anyone hold it against Thompson if the entire draft was linemen?
 
2013-01-25 03:00:59 PM  

roc6783: Aaron Rodgers is the only one on the team that I don't think we can afford to let go.


I hear some guy named Flynn might be available.
 
2013-01-25 03:02:27 PM  

Mikey1969: .


Because Drew Brees managed to throw for a trillion yards.

Like the Cowboys game. They won 34-31. Usually if you give up 30 you lose. But when you put up 562 yards of offense it really doesn't matter what your defense does.
 
2013-01-25 03:03:21 PM  

IAmRight: SuperChuck: HulkHands: They then did the prudent thing and waited for every passable candidate to be hired before firing their defensive coordinator

Ray Horton is available. He had the Cardinals defense playing well. So obviously he's some kind of wizard.

The Browns hired him.

Deneb81: GQueue: The Saints defense never stopped providing a bounty even this season, this year it was a bounty of points to the other team.

Rob Ryan is a available...

The Rams hired him.

/it's like no one even pays attention to coaching hires


It took more than five minutes, so we all left for happy hour.
 
2013-01-25 03:08:36 PM  

roc6783: Aaron Rodgers is the only one on the team that I don't think we can afford to let go. Clay is great, but we are going to have to back up the money truck to keep him.

Would anyone hold it against Thompson if the entire draft was linemen?


Have we not franchise tagged Aaron yet?... is that best?

And yeah. Clay is a great pass rusher. But damnit, I highly doubt that we keep him. The 3-4 confuses me with the personnel they employ. If we keep doing the 3-4 we truly need to keep Raji and Mathews, and then there is the Woodson situation. He's a ten mil cap hit each of the next two years. Ugh. (I did get his jersey for christmas, so i'm biased on keeping him)

interesting Woodson contract read
 
2013-01-25 03:10:52 PM  

Treygreen13: Mikey1969: .

Because Drew Brees managed to throw for a trillion yards.

Like the Cowboys game. They won 34-31. Usually if you give up 30 you lose. But when you put up 562 yards of offense it really doesn't matter what your defense does.


Wow, that's insane, I didn't realize the offense and Defense were such polar opposites this year.

Usually when you have one unit stink, the other one isn't shining like a beacon. They may do well, but if your 'D' is that bad, it usually draws the 'O' down more than that.
 
2013-01-25 03:12:16 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: roc6783: Aaron Rodgers is the only one on the team that I don't think we can afford to let go.

I hear some guy named Flynn might be available.


You're right, the Vikings had quite a bit of success with Packers leftovers. ;)
 
2013-01-25 03:16:54 PM  

thecpt: roc6783: Aaron Rodgers is the only one on the team that I don't think we can afford to let go. Clay is great, but we are going to have to back up the money truck to keep him.

Would anyone hold it against Thompson if the entire draft was linemen?

Have we not franchise tagged Aaron yet?... is that best?

And yeah. Clay is a great pass rusher. But damnit, I highly doubt that we keep him. The 3-4 confuses me with the personnel they employ. If we keep doing the 3-4 we truly need to keep Raji and Mathews, and then there is the Woodson situation. He's a ten mil cap hit each of the next two years. Ugh. (I did get his jersey for christmas, so i'm biased on keeping him)

interesting Woodson contract read


Don't franchise him till you have to. Seems like the guy will be pretty loyal to the team and fanbase and would work a deal without needing to go crazy. Wrap him up for like 7 or 8 years and be done with it. Srsly.

And you would think Woodson would rework that conract too. If not, cut him.
 
2013-01-25 03:20:06 PM  

thecpt: roc6783: ***snip***
He's a ten mil cap hit each of the next two years. Ugh. (I did get his jersey for christmas, so i'm biased on keeping him)

interesting Woodson contract read


From your link: "I think the benefits to Woodson's presence outweigh the potential problems, even on his current contract."

I just don't agree. If he's that valuable at helping guys develop, get him a clipboard and put him on the sideline. There is no salary cap on coaching staff. If he won't restructure, his salary will be too much of a hit.
 
2013-01-25 03:22:44 PM  

roc6783: If he's that valuable at helping guys develop, get him a clipboard and put him on the sideline. There is no salary cap on coaching staff. If he won't restructure, his salary will be too much of a hit.


My thoughts exactly. I think he'll want to do that. He doesn't sound like he's done playing and no one is dumb enough to pick up that contract....awaits Philly's challenge accepted.....no one.
 
2013-01-25 03:24:48 PM  

roc6783: Jim from Saint Paul: roc6783: Aaron Rodgers is the only one on the team that I don't think we can afford to let go.

I hear some guy named Flynn might be available.

You're right, the Vikings had quite a bit of success with Packers leftovers. ;)


I'd seriously consider him. Ponder came on after getting married, no doubt. I just know that people should FINALLY be done with Joe Webb as the backup around here. PLEASE.
 
2013-01-25 03:34:48 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: roc6783: Jim from Saint Paul: roc6783: ***snip***

I'd seriously consider him. Ponder came on after getting married, no doubt. I just know that people should FINALLY be done with Joe Webb as the backup around here. PLEASE.


I'm ok with the decision to keep him, he really adds something to the opponent's defense.
 
2013-01-25 04:19:31 PM  

Mikey1969: Treygreen13: Mikey1969: .

Because Drew Brees managed to throw for a trillion yards.

Like the Cowboys game. They won 34-31. Usually if you give up 30 you lose. But when you put up 562 yards of offense it really doesn't matter what your defense does.

Wow, that's insane, I didn't realize the offense and Defense were such polar opposites this year.

Usually when you have one unit stink, the other one isn't shining like a beacon. They may do well, but if your 'D' is that bad, it usually draws the 'O' down more than that.


Allow me to sum up the atmosphere at the bars this past season: Go Drew! Ah shiat, here comes the D....

/repeat until December, hope for a better season next year
 
2013-01-25 04:20:12 PM  

roc6783: Jim from Saint Paul: roc6783: Jim from Saint Paul: roc6783: ***snip***

I'd seriously consider him. Ponder came on after getting married, no doubt. I just know that people should FINALLY be done with Joe Webb as the backup around here. PLEASE.

I'm ok with the decision to keep him, he really adds something to the opponent's defense.


+3

/to the turnover ratio
 
2013-01-25 06:23:15 PM  
Are beer and BJ's banned by the NFL?

I would've bribed them with booze and sex with your mom.....
 
2013-01-25 06:30:40 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: roc6783: Jim from Saint Paul: roc6783: Aaron Rodgers is the only one on the team that I don't think we can afford to let go.

I hear some guy named Flynn might be available.

You're right, the Vikings had quite a bit of success with Packers leftovers. ;)

I'd seriously consider him. Ponder came on after getting married, no doubt. I just know that people should FINALLY be done with Joe Webb as the backup around here. PLEASE.


I think AP found a potential replacement:

i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-25 06:42:24 PM  
wait isn't Lovey Smith jobless? Doesn't he run a 3-4? I don't know how to google things..

I'd take him as a D-Boss.
 
2013-01-25 07:19:00 PM  

10up: wait isn't Lovey Smith jobless? Doesn't he run a 3-4? I don't know how to google things..

I'd take him as a D-Boss.


Unless you want to pay him $5M as D-Coordinator which is what he's getting to sit home year from Da Bears.
 
2013-01-26 10:05:52 AM  

UNC_Samurai: Jim from Saint Paul: roc6783: Jim from Saint Paul: roc6783: Aaron Rodgers is the only one on the team that I don't think we can afford to let go.

I hear some guy named Flynn might be available.

You're right, the Vikings had quite a bit of success with Packers leftovers. ;)

I'd seriously consider him. Ponder came on after getting married, no doubt. I just know that people should FINALLY be done with Joe Webb as the backup around here. PLEASE.

I think AP found a potential replacement:

[i.imgur.com image 850x816]


If nothing else it'd be a TASTY replacement.
 
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