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(ESPN)   Saints officially had the worst NFL defense. Of all time. If only there was a way to give their players a psychological edge over the competition   (espn.go.com) divider line 88
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2013-01-25 10:28:38 AM  
I love the irony of this happening in the same season as the airing of that commercial with the dude watching football on his phone and saying the the Saints have the "best defense in the league."

/Clay Matthews: "I will eat you."
 
2013-01-25 10:53:34 AM  
But if it wasn't giving them advantage why were they doing it?
 
2013-01-25 11:18:24 AM  
They then did the prudent thing and waited for every passable candidate to be hired before firing their defensive coordinator
 
2013-01-25 11:57:52 AM  
The Saints defense never stopped providing a bounty even this season, this year it was a bounty of points to the other team.
 
2013-01-25 11:58:04 AM  

HulkHands: They then did the prudent thing and waited for every passable candidate to be hired before firing their defensive coordinator


Ray Horton is available. He had the Cardinals defense playing well. So obviously he's some kind of wizard.
 
2013-01-25 11:58:39 AM  
Buh bye Spaggy

Hello ANYbody
 
2013-01-25 11:59:27 AM  

GQueue: The Saints defense never stopped providing a bounty even this season, this year it was a bounty of points to the other team.


Rob Ryan is a available...
 
2013-01-25 12:06:33 PM  

mikaloyd: Buh bye Spaggy

Hello ANYbody


I don't really blame him entirely. he came in under very tough circumstances and tried to completely overhaul a defensive system for a defense that already wasn't stellar. not to mention, historically it has taken him more than a season to implement his system with other teams.
 
2013-01-25 12:13:12 PM  
if only there was a way that they could of had the full defense as they prepared it. But Goodell had to flex nuts based off insufficient evidence.
 
2013-01-25 12:13:14 PM  

Deneb81: GQueue: The Saints defense never stopped providing a bounty even this season, this year it was a bounty of points to the other team.

Rob Ryan is a available...


No he's not, and who cares if he was? Does Gary Gibbs have a job? I like vanilla...
 
2013-01-25 12:13:14 PM  

pute kisses like a man: mikaloyd: Buh bye Spaggy

Hello ANYbody

I don't really blame him entirely. he came in under very tough circumstances and tried to completely overhaul a defensive system for a defense that already wasn't stellar. not to mention, historically it has taken him more than a season to implement his system with other teams.


He lost to the Chiefs
 
2013-01-25 12:14:05 PM  

mikaloyd: Buh bye Spaggy

Hello ANYbody


I don't think anyone would have coached up the Saints defense last year to even "average". A mix of overrated or just-not-very-good players combined with the mindf*ck of an offseason they had.
 
2013-01-25 12:15:34 PM  

Killer Cars: mikaloyd: Buh bye Spaggy

Hello ANYbody

I don't think anyone would have coached up the Saints defense last year to even "average". A mix of overrated or just-not-very-good players combined with the mindf*ck of an offseason they had.


They lost to the chiefs. In the superdome
 
2013-01-25 12:18:32 PM  
The 3-4 defense means that Vilma is gone. He left the Jets for NOLA because they switched to a 3-4 and he hated it. This may mean that Will Smith stays though. He would have to take a major pay cut to do that, he is owed over $10M and hasn't been playing like it, plus he has never played in a 3-4. The Saints certainly won't be drafting a DT in the first round now. They will run with Bunkley and Hicks as their first two on the depth chart and find a cheap third stringer later. The Saints have to find and impact OLB now, look for that in the first round of the draft.

Also don't be surprised if the Saints make a run at Revis.
 
2013-01-25 12:18:40 PM  

SuperChuck: HulkHands: They then did the prudent thing and waited for every passable candidate to be hired before firing their defensive coordinator

Ray Horton is available. He had the Cardinals defense playing well. So obviously he's some kind of wizard.


The Browns hired him.

Deneb81: GQueue: The Saints defense never stopped providing a bounty even this season, this year it was a bounty of points to the other team.

Rob Ryan is a available...


The Rams hired him.

/it's like no one even pays attention to coaching hires
 
2013-01-25 12:22:00 PM  

mikaloyd: They lost to the chiefs. In the superdome


In fairness, I have enough respect for the Saints' offense where them only scoring 24 points at home against a non-playoff team is, to me, major weaksauce.
 
2013-01-25 12:22:00 PM  

balfourk: The 3-4 defense means that Vilma is gone. He left the Jets for NOLA because they switched to a 3-4 and he hated it. This may mean that Will Smith stays though. He would have to take a major pay cut to do that, he is owed over $10M and hasn't been playing like it, plus he has never played in a 3-4. The Saints certainly won't be drafting a DT in the first round now. They will run with Bunkley and Hicks as their first two on the depth chart and find a cheap third stringer later. The Saints have to find and impact OLB now, look for that in the first round of the draft.

Also don't be surprised if the Saints make a run at Revis.


Considering his penchant for wanting to redo his deal every other year (if you are lucky), and getting hurt, is Revis worth the $$$ these days?
 
2013-01-25 12:37:07 PM  

pute kisses like a man: mikaloyd: Buh bye Spaggy

Hello ANYbody

I don't really blame him entirely. he came in under very tough circumstances and tried to completely overhaul a defensive system for a defense that already wasn't stellar. not to mention, historically it has taken him more than a season to implement his system with other teams.


Same here.  Considering the clusterfark the whole season was, I think Spags deserved one *real* year to see what he could do.
 
2013-01-25 12:39:33 PM  

IAmRight: SuperChuck: HulkHands: They then did the prudent thing and waited for every passable candidate to be hired before firing their defensive coordinator

Ray Horton is available. He had the Cardinals defense playing well. So obviously he's some kind of wizard.

The Browns hired him.

Deneb81: GQueue: The Saints defense never stopped providing a bounty even this season, this year it was a bounty of points to the other team.

Rob Ryan is a available...

The Rams hired him.

/it's like no one even pays attention to coaching hires


Stopped anything but FARK Sports after Sunday - except the Caldwell/consultant thing the Ravens did. As a Baltimore fan, I kinda checked out on news after reading a few SB 'personal interest' stories.

I'll pick back up next week when people are actually making predictions and discussing the teams on the field.

Also, Rob Ryan was a joke. He'd be TERRIBLE for the Saints.
 
2013-01-25 12:40:38 PM  
Maybe they should create some sort of incentives program to encourage the defensive players to make big plays.
 
2013-01-25 12:43:53 PM  

balfourk: The 3-4 defense means that Vilma is gone. He left the Jets for NOLA because they switched to a 3-4 and he hated it. This may mean that Will Smith stays though. He would have to take a major pay cut to do that, he is owed over $10M and hasn't been playing like it, plus he has never played in a 3-4. The Saints certainly won't be drafting a DT in the first round now. They will run with Bunkley and Hicks as their first two on the depth chart and find a cheap third stringer later. The Saints have to find and impact OLB now, look for that in the first round of the draft.

Also don't be surprised if the Saints make a run at Revis.


Ravens have Reed (FS), Kruger (OLB), and Ellerbe (MLB) about to go FA. I'm guessing they try to keep Kruger (pass rush specialist with some decent but not stellar talent as a run-stopper and cover man) and Ellerbe (decent talent, some reported work ethic issues, but a thin position with Lewis leaving).

I believe Reed will walk - and is a NO native.

If BAL keeps him instead, one of the others is gone for cap issues.
 
2013-01-25 12:44:41 PM  

Deneb81: Also, Rob Ryan was a joke. He'd be TERRIBLE for the Saints.


Well, it's a good thing that...

IAmRight: The Rams hired him.

/it's like no one even pays attention to coaching hires


//it's like nobody reads the quoted responses to their own posts
///not thrilled bout the Ryan hire
 
2013-01-25 12:45:04 PM  

Deneb81: balfourk: The 3-4 defense means that Vilma is gone. He left the Jets for NOLA because they switched to a 3-4 and he hated it. This may mean that Will Smith stays though. He would have to take a major pay cut to do that, he is owed over $10M and hasn't been playing like it, plus he has never played in a 3-4. The Saints certainly won't be drafting a DT in the first round now. They will run with Bunkley and Hicks as their first two on the depth chart and find a cheap third stringer later. The Saints have to find and impact OLB now, look for that in the first round of the draft.

Also don't be surprised if the Saints make a run at Revis.

Ravens have Reed (FS), Kruger (OLB), and Ellerbe (MLB) about to go FA. I'm guessing they try to keep Kruger (pass rush specialist with some decent but not stellar talent as a run-stopper and cover man) and Ellerbe (decent talent, some reported work ethic issues, but a thin position with Lewis leaving).

I believe Reed will walk - and is a NO native.

If BAL keeps him instead, one of the others is gone for cap issues.


Cary Williams (CB) will also walk.
 
2013-01-25 12:47:46 PM  

grinding_journalist: Deneb81: Also, Rob Ryan was a joke. He'd be TERRIBLE for the Saints.

Well, it's a good thing that...

IAmRight: The Rams hired him.

/it's like no one even pays attention to coaching hires

//it's like nobody reads the quoted responses to their own posts
///not thrilled bout the Ryan hire


It *IS* like people don't read things they quote!

I admitted that I hadn't been paying attention to the coaching hires for the past week or so. You know - in responsd to his comment!

Then said the comment was a joke anyway.
 
2013-01-25 12:48:11 PM  

thecpt: if only there was a way that they could of had the full defense as they prepared it. But Goodell had to flex nuts based off insufficient evidence.


Hows that defamation* suit going?

Get used to them*.
 
2013-01-25 12:48:29 PM  
The 'Aints had a piss-poor defense to begin with, and it didn't get any better losing star players for most of the season.

It does put in perspective exactly how amazing their offense was during their SB year and other playoff runs - it stayed on the field long enough to keep the defense off it, and scored enough points to cover their deficiencies.

Switching to 3-4 makes a little sense in this pass-first league, but they may be making their run defense even worse in the bargain. Finding legit run-stuffing linebackers who can play 3-4 is hard.
 
2013-01-25 12:48:58 PM  
Well, I figured on one more year due to "no other year like it, you know?" but I can't REALLY complain.  Those were a lot of yards, man.
 
2013-01-25 12:52:45 PM  

justtray: thecpt: if only there was a way that they could of had the full defense as they prepared it. But Goodell had to flex nuts based off insufficient evidence.

Hows that defamation* suit going?

Get used to them*.


used to what?

"While the Court is extremely disturbed by the fundamental lack of due process in Goodell's denying the players the identities of and the right to confront their accusers, that was substantially rectified later in the process," Berrigan wrote. "So while the process was initially procedurally flawed, the statements were ultimately found to have enough support to defeat the defamation claims."

He's technically right. The best kind of right.

/I'm not even a Saints fan. Just feel bad their fans had to put up with that bs.
 
2013-01-25 12:53:34 PM  

cefm: The 'Aints had a piss-poor defense to begin with, and it didn't get any better losing star players for most of the season.

It does put in perspective exactly how amazing their offense was during their SB year and other playoff runs - it stayed on the field long enough to keep the defense off it, and scored enough points to cover their deficiencies.

Switching to 3-4 makes a little sense in this pass-first league, but they may be making their run defense even worse in the bargain. Finding legit run-stuffing linebackers who can play 3-4 is hard.


3-4 is also better equipped to face the new read-option QBs the league is seeing.

And all 4 good ones are in the NFC - with Cam being in division. They'll be seeing a lot of RG3, Kaepernic, Newton and Willson.
 
2013-01-25 12:55:50 PM  

justtray: Hows that defamation* suit going?

Get used to them*.


I'm pretty sure Vilma's pleased with the ultimate outcome of the defamation suit, why do you ask?
 
2013-01-25 01:00:14 PM  
I can't wait to see what the Packers do in free agency/draft. On top of having a crappy O-Line, under performing TEs, under performing D-line, worthless MLBs, and inconsistent secondary, Jennings is going, and Matthews, Raji, and Rodgers have contracts coming up.

//I have a feeling that the Packers are going to resemble the Peyton-era Colts soon. Which is fine, until the playoffs.
 
2013-01-25 01:02:16 PM  
When the Saints call a 3-4 or 4-3 they're just counting the number of touchdowns to be given up.
 
2013-01-25 01:04:58 PM  
Vilma could be really productive in a 3-4. Now with Lofton added into the corps it's okay to give Vilma less responsibility on the field (ie: field to cover) but let him maintain his defensive captain responsibility.

If Vilma is gone this year it will be because of his cap number, not a 3-4 defense. We played 3-4 all the time under Greggggg.

I hope we get rid of smith this year. I wanted him to walk when we got rid of Charles Grant, the first MAYBE 2 years were okay. He hasn't been worth the accolade or money since 2006.
 
2013-01-25 01:05:13 PM  

Slow To Return: justtray: Hows that defamation* suit going?

Get used to them*.

I'm pretty sure Vilma's pleased with the ultimate outcome of the defamation suit, why do you ask?


Really? You think he's pleased his suit failed and his career is over? Ok.
 
2013-01-25 01:06:07 PM  
threadjackish rant

Yes, your gouty aunt could run on the Saints, yet gawdamm Garrett called only 11 rushes compared to 43 passes. Stupid mofo.

/threadjackish rant
 
2013-01-25 01:06:50 PM  

thecpt: justtray: thecpt: if only there was a way that they could of had the full defense as they prepared it. But Goodell had to flex nuts based off insufficient evidence.

Hows that defamation* suit going?

Get used to them*.

used to what?

"While the Court is extremely disturbed by the fundamental lack of due process in Goodell's denying the players the identities of and the right to confront their accusers, that was substantially rectified later in the process," Berrigan wrote. "So while the process was initially procedurally flawed, the statements were ultimately found to have enough support to defeat the defamation claims."

He's technically right. The best kind of right.

/I'm not even a Saints fan. Just feel bad their fans had to put up with that bs.


Actually he's technically wrong, thus my point entirely.

I bolded it for you since you seem to be retarded.
 
2013-01-25 01:08:30 PM  

roc6783: I can't wait to see what the Packers do in free agency/draft. On top of having a crappy O-Line, under performing TEs, under performing D-line, worthless MLBs, and inconsistent secondary, Jennings is going, and Matthews, Raji, and Rodgers have contracts coming up.

//I have a feeling that the Packers are going to resemble the Peyton-era Colts soon. Which is fine, until the playoffs.


Our last two number 1 picks have both been O lineman, and I heard Saturday is pondering retirement. Just what I farking wanted. Another draft where we pick an olineman first. But good thing we resigned farking AJ the "i get all my tackles 10 yards downfield" Hawk when we did. I don't think we'll sign benson, but I'm not sure what McCarthy thinks. Maybe Dujuan played well enough.

I'm just glad that Jordy, Cobb, and even Jones (really?) showed they can carry the entire receiving corps when others aren't getting it done.
 
2013-01-25 01:09:31 PM  

SuperChuck: HulkHands: They then did the prudent thing and waited for every passable candidate to be hired before firing their defensive coordinator

Ray Horton is available. He had the Cardinals defense playing well. So obviously he's some kind of wizard.


Deneb81: GQueue: The Saints defense never stopped providing a bounty even this season, this year it was a bounty of points to the other team.

Rob Ryan is a available...


pretty sure Horton is with Cleveland and Ryan with St. Louis
 
2013-01-25 01:11:57 PM  
Eagles calling in 3...2...
 
2013-01-25 01:13:12 PM  

justtray: Really? You think he's pleased his suit failed and his career is over? Ok.


You can argue till you're blue in the face about legal tactics and such. But at the end of the day, Vilma managed to recoup his 2012 salary in full.
 
2013-01-25 01:16:09 PM  

Slow To Return: justtray: Really? You think he's pleased his suit failed and his career is over? Ok.

You can argue till you're blue in the face about legal tactics and such. But at the end of the day, Vilma managed to recoup his 2012 salary in full.


Did you throw out your back moving those goalposts?

Allow me to retort anyway. At what cost? How much did his lawyer soak up? Where is he working next year? What's the over under on total number of years before he's broke?

Councillor, I rest my case
 
2013-01-25 01:16:12 PM  

justtray: Actually he's technically wrong, thus my point entirely.

I bolded it for you since you seem to be retarded


we're talking about two different things.

While the Court is extremely disturbed by the fundamental lack of due process in Goodell's denying the players the identities of and the right to confront their accusers

I'm talking about that part. As it actually happened and the penalties he was trying to dole out at the beginning, he should of had a lot more than what he did. Your linking my two statements which were about different things and didn't explain your comment that I questioned. If you're okay with all of the penalties given to the Saints, coaches, and players this season than go ahead and call me retarded, because I don't give a shiat about your opinion then.
 
2013-01-25 01:21:18 PM  

justtray: Slow To Return: justtray: Really? You think he's pleased his suit failed and his career is over? Ok.

You can argue till you're blue in the face about legal tactics and such. But at the end of the day, Vilma managed to recoup his 2012 salary in full.

Did you throw out your back moving those goalposts?

Allow me to retort anyway. At what cost? How much did his lawyer soak up? Where is he working next year? What's the over under on total number of years before he's broke?

Councillor, I rest my case


Goalposts?? I swear to God, it's like talking to an eight year old.

Let me retort anyway.

How much did his lawyer soak up? I'm going to guess somewhere far south of 100%.

Where is he working next year? What's the over under on total number of years before he's broke? The answers to these questions are the same for ANY player. If his career is over, it's because he's too old to continue playing. His suspension didn't speed up the aging process, as far as I'm aware.
 
2013-01-25 01:25:13 PM  

thecpt: justtray: Actually he's technically wrong, thus my point entirely.

I bolded it for you since you seem to be retarded

we're talking about two different things.

While the Court is extremely disturbed by the fundamental lack of due process in Goodell's denying the players the identities of and the right to confront their accusers

I'm talking about that part. As it actually happened and the penalties he was trying to dole out at the beginning, he should of had a lot more than what he did. Your linking my two statements which were about different things and didn't explain your comment that I questioned. If you're okay with all of the penalties given to the Saints, coaches, and players this season than go ahead and call me retarded, because I don't give a shiat about your opinion then.


Feeling is mutual.
 
2013-01-25 01:26:25 PM  

justtray: Where is he working next year?


Whoops just did some Googling ... looks like he's signed with the Saints thru 2013, and he's due to receive $6M next season.
 
2013-01-25 01:26:52 PM  

Slow To Return: I swear to God, it's like talking to an eight year old.


Well, a sore loser of a Vikings fan who wants to blame that rather than Favre, the fumbles by AP and Harvin, his team's O-line, his team's D-line, etc., but close enough.
 
2013-01-25 01:29:08 PM  

Slow To Return: justtray: Slow To Return: justtray: Really? You think he's pleased his suit failed and his career is over? Ok.

You can argue till you're blue in the face about legal tactics and such. But at the end of the day, Vilma managed to recoup his 2012 salary in full.

Did you throw out your back moving those goalposts?

Allow me to retort anyway. At what cost? How much did his lawyer soak up? Where is he working next year? What's the over under on total number of years before he's broke?

Councillor, I rest my case

Goalposts?? I swear to God, it's like talking to an eight year old.

Let me retort anyway.

How much did his lawyer soak up? I'm going to guess somewhere far south of 100%.

Where is he working next year? What's the over under on total number of years before he's broke? The answers to these questions are the same for ANY player. If his career is over, it's because he's too old to continue playing. His suspension didn't speed up the aging process, as far as I'm aware.


Is a logical fallacy for when you change the criteria for the argument. Like when you think someone's going to win a defamation suit because the evidence is bogus, and when it turns out they lose that suit because the evidence wasn't bogus you 'move the goalposts' to say "ya well, tagliabue (unrelated to the case) removed his suspension" so Im right.

But yes, talking to you is like taking to an 8 year old. And sadly, you're probably nearly twice that age.
 
2013-01-25 01:29:28 PM  

robsul82: Slow To Return: I swear to God, it's like talking to an eight year old.

Well, a sore loser of a Vikings fan who wants to blame that rather than Favre, the fumbles by AP and Harvin, his team's O-line, his team's D-line, etc., but close enough.


I have him favorited as "Slobbering Idiot Troll," but I couldn't remember why.
 
2013-01-25 01:30:07 PM  

Slow To Return: justtray: Where is he working next year?

Whoops just did some Googling ... looks like he's signed with the Saints thru 2013, and he's due to receive $6M next season.


So you also don't know how employment in the NFL works.
 
2013-01-25 01:30:38 PM  

justtray: Like when you think someone's going to win a defamation suit because the evidence is bogus, and when it turns out they lose that suit because the evidence wasn't bogus you 'move the goalposts' to say "ya well, tagliabue (unrelated to the case) removed his suspension" so Im right.


Oh, absolutely, I said ALL of that, didn't I?
 
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