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(Mental Floss)   29 years ago this week Apple unveils the Mac. List price: only $2495 (w/ video of an excited Steve Jobs)   (mentalfloss.com) divider line 57
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2013-01-25 10:20:46 AM  
And $2495 in 2012 dollars is  $5,522.19 today.

See how cheap Mac's are now? :)
 
2013-01-25 10:23:34 AM  
"We're storing over 400 k-bytes of information on....what's this lump? Oh well....one side of a disk that can be put in your pocket."
 
2013-01-25 10:43:22 AM  

dletter: And $2495 in 2012 dollars is  $5,522.19 today.

See how cheap Mac's are now? :)


Yeah, computers of all stripes cost an arm & a leg 30 years ago.
 
2013-01-25 10:49:38 AM  

ThatGuyGreg: dletter: And $2495 in 2012 dollars is  $5,522.19 today.

See how cheap Mac's are now? :)

Yeah, computers of all stripes cost an arm & a leg 30 years ago.


Which actually has more to do with the fact that they can sell computer equipment to multitudes more people today than in 1984, than the cost of technology really coming down that dramatically.
 
2013-01-25 11:24:27 AM  
That's also the going price for the iPhone 5, right?
 
2013-01-25 11:31:12 AM  
Where's the turtleneck?
 
2013-01-25 11:39:36 AM  

dletter: And $2495 in 2012 dollars is  $5,522.19 today.

See how cheap Mac's are now? :)


Our first IBM-type PC was a Tandy 1000 SX, it cost around that in 1985. 384k of ram, 2 5 1/4" disk drives. Ahh memories. To be fair, most computers were relatively expensive in those days compared to what they are now.

/not a mac user, never have been
//do love those iThings though
 
2013-01-25 11:45:13 AM  
soooooo, has it come down in price?
 
2013-01-25 11:52:21 AM  

SpdrJay: That's also the going price for the iPhone 5, right?


No, but that is about half the cost you'd pay for the iPhone 5 *after* you've paid for all the app enhancements necessary to turn the iPhone 5 into something more useful than an oversized mp3 player.
 
2013-01-25 11:52:37 AM  
29 years ago I was annoying computer sales people by parking myself in front of macintosh and using the brick spray paint tool. Sorry, sales guys. That 15-year-old couldn't afford to buy one
 
2013-01-25 11:56:09 AM  

SpdrJay: That's also the going price for the iPhone 5, right?


I'm pretty sure it's just the price for their no-button low-resolution mouse.
 
2013-01-25 11:56:49 AM  

dletter: And $2495 in 2012 dollars is  $5,522.19 today.

See how cheap Mac's are now? :)


And it was worth every penny.

/Still have mine.
//Doesn't work though.
 
kab
2013-01-25 11:58:37 AM  
Almost 3 decades of overpriced hardware, and still going strong.

Never underestimate brand loyalty, I suppose.
 
2013-01-25 12:04:32 PM  
PC in 1981: $3000
Mac in 1984: $2400

PC in 2013: $800
Mac in 2013: $2400
 
2013-01-25 12:09:21 PM  
My 7th grade history teacher had one of these in his classroom. Not for students:

i.imgur.com

The writing lab down the hall had bunch of these. For students:

i.imgur.com

We used them for this:

i.imgur.com

WE TYPED OUR PAPERS WITH OUR KEYBOARDS AND PRESSED FUNCTION KEYS AND KEPT OUR FLOPPY DISKS IN OUR BACKPACKS AND WE WALKED TO SCHOOL UPHILL IN THE SNOW AND WE LIKED IT.
 
2013-01-25 12:10:41 PM  
Remember seeing my first Mac at Macy's electronics department (first CD player at Neimann Marcus). Played with it a bit -- seemed like a cute little office desktop simulation. Biggest impression: "wow, this screen has square pixels!"

Later, my family purchased a Mac Plus. Disk swapping became the most tedious part. Our first hard drive was an enormous improvement.

/my lawn, please get off it.
 
2013-01-25 12:15:19 PM  
I owned real computers growing up.
 
2013-01-25 12:18:08 PM  

DemonEater: PC in 1981: $3000
Mac in 1984: $2400

PC in 2013: $800
Mac in 2013: $2400


Last year, I picked up a Mac Mini for $600.

They must have screwed up at the register, huh?

/still have a working 512k Fat Mac, too
 
2013-01-25 12:21:13 PM  

theurge14: My 7th grade history teacher had one of these in his classroom. Not for students:



The writing lab down the hall had bunch of these. For students:



We used them for this:



WE TYPED OUR PAPERS WITH OUR KEYBOARDS AND PRESSED FUNCTION KEYS AND KEPT OUR FLOPPY DISKS IN OUR BACKPACKS AND WE WALKED TO SCHOOL UPHILL IN THE SNOW AND WE LIKED IT.


WordPerfect...i still have nightmares...
 
2013-01-25 12:21:53 PM  

L.D. Ablo: Last year, I picked up a Mac Mini for $600.

They must have screwed up at the register, huh?


I was looking at those. How is it?
 
2013-01-25 12:26:34 PM  
I liked how they got Stephen Hawking to do the voice for the Macintosh. Pretty awesome.
 
2013-01-25 12:53:44 PM  
Five hundred and ninety nine...US dollars!
 
2013-01-25 12:58:22 PM  
I had an apple iic with 2nd disc drive, apple writer and some software for about the same price. I later gave it to my dad who used it to write his sermons until someone broke into his church office and stole it.
 
2013-01-25 12:59:38 PM  

L.D. Ablo: Last year, I picked up a Mac Mini for $600.

They must have screwed up at the register, huh?


They've gotten a lot better since they switched over to Intel.  I had an original Mac Mini and that thing was a heaping pile of shiat.  And true to form, Apple shortchanged the video card so you couldn't run anything on it anyway.
 
2013-01-25 01:03:17 PM  
I've been using computers since 1980 & actually got a small lump in my throat when the white-on-black Macintosh logo scrolled by to wild applause (complete with Vangelis music - LOL).  It's hard to appreciate it now, but imagine the limited alternatives back then.

Watching this I glanced over at my 27" display with millions of colors & 2000-odd lines of resolution... and couldn't help but wonder how "insanely great" things are going to be in another 29 years.

/cornball
//don't care
 
2013-01-25 01:06:26 PM  

ThatGuyGreg: dletter: And $2495 in 2012 dollars is  $5,522.19 today.

See how cheap Mac's are now? :)

Yeah, computers of all stripes cost an arm & a leg 30 years ago.


An actual ad from a 1978 edition of the Early Computer magazine "Interface Age" had a screaming banner headline of "Now, your wildest dreams have come true: 64k for under $10,000"  and they weren;t even talking about the computer, just the memory chips.

less than 5 years later the C-64 retailed for $600
 
2013-01-25 01:12:34 PM  

Oafmeel: theurge14: My 7th grade history teacher had one of these in his classroom. Not for students:

The writing lab down the hall had bunch of these. For students:

We used them for this:

WE TYPED OUR PAPERS WITH OUR KEYBOARDS AND PRESSED FUNCTION KEYS AND KEPT OUR FLOPPY DISKS IN OUR BACKPACKS AND WE WALKED TO SCHOOL UPHILL IN THE SNOW AND WE LIKED IT.

WordPerfect...i still have nightmares...


Son, the first Word Processor I ever used, when I was 12 years Old, I first had to TYPE IN the code for (In Assembly language no less) from the back pages of Compute! Gazetteand If I wanted to make something bold, or itallic or even double-spaced, I had to enter a numerical commad prompt to tell my dot-matrix printer how to do it.   I LAUGH at your hatred of Wrod Perfect and its fancy spell-checker function
 
2013-01-25 01:20:16 PM  

Archie Goodwin: dletter: And $2495 in 2012 dollars is  $5,522.19 today.

See how cheap Mac's are now? :)

And it was worth every penny.

/Still have mine.
//Doesn't work though.


The Mac 512Ke that was our first computer is still being used by a elderly friend of the family.  And my second computer (Mac SE) still turns on but the SCSI HD drive that was its boot drive died a decade ago.

/then again - most fark'r have no clue what the word 'value' means
 
2013-01-25 01:20:28 PM  
This points out something that always puzzled me.

In 30 years processor speed has increased 1000x
In 30 years storage capacity has increased 100000x
In 30 years computer graphics have gone from showing a few thousand pixels to billions of triangles and teraflops of shaders.

BUT VOICE SYNTHESIS STILL FARKING SUCKS!!!!

My 1990 Amiga isn't much worse than 2013 Windows
 
2013-01-25 01:25:21 PM  

madgonad: This points out something that always puzzled me.

In 30 years processor speed has increased 1000x
In 30 years storage capacity has increased 100000x
In 30 years computer graphics have gone from showing a few thousand pixels to billions of triangles and teraflops of shaders.

BUT VOICE SYNTHESIS STILL FARKING SUCKS!!!!

My 1990 Amiga isn't much worse than 2013 Windows


Good point, I mean, from those comparisons, the average person should be able to take a sample of someones voice and have the computer be able to speak with great clarity whatever we want with that voice with $49 software.

Maybe I (and you) are just not aware of that existing.
 
2013-01-25 01:27:02 PM  
Yes, cost of technology tends to go down over time. Except for music compact discs, which amazingly seemed to get more expensive over time until pirating came along.

Good job, music industry.
 
2013-01-25 01:33:48 PM  

Oafmeel: theurge14: My 7th grade history teacher had one of these in his classroom. Not for students:

The writing lab down the hall had bunch of these. For students:

We used them for this:

WE TYPED OUR PAPERS WITH OUR KEYBOARDS AND PRESSED FUNCTION KEYS AND KEPT OUR FLOPPY DISKS IN OUR BACKPACKS AND WE WALKED TO SCHOOL UPHILL IN THE SNOW AND WE LIKED IT.

WordPerfect...i still have nightmares...


reveal codes biatches!!
 
2013-01-25 01:34:21 PM  
Wow, it didn't take much to wow an audience in 1984.
(yes, I know how cutting edge it was in '84)
 
2013-01-25 01:35:08 PM  

InmanRoshi: Yes, cost of technology tends to go down over time. Except for music compact discs, which amazingly seemed to get more expensive over time until pirating came along.


For some reason that reminded me of a time when if you rented a video and lost it, it would cost you like $90.
 
2013-01-25 01:42:58 PM  
When I first got started in computers in the mid 1980s, my peers and I tended to spent 10-20% of our yearly incomes on computer gear. Our employers did nont come out and tell us to do that, but it was implied, with fuzzy noises about layoffs and how easy it was to find other programmers to replace us. Reporting it as a business expense on our taxes only netted us one or two hundred dollars. The other choice was to live in the office, as one low-paid IT guy did.
 
2013-01-25 01:45:19 PM  

Saturn5: Wow, it doesn't take much to wow an Apple audience in 2013.



Fixed that for accuracy.
 
2013-01-25 01:46:49 PM  

Oafmeel: WordPerfect...i still have nightmares...


Dude, in teh DOS world WordPerfect was the only word processor worth using. You want a nightmare, go dig up a copy of MultiMate.
 
2013-01-25 01:49:45 PM  

dletter: madgonad: This points out something that always puzzled me.

In 30 years processor speed has increased 1000x
In 30 years storage capacity has increased 100000x
In 30 years computer graphics have gone from showing a few thousand pixels to billions of triangles and teraflops of shaders.

BUT VOICE SYNTHESIS STILL FARKING SUCKS!!!!

My 1990 Amiga isn't much worse than 2013 Windows

Good point, I mean, from those comparisons, the average person should be able to take a sample of someones voice and have the computer be able to speak with great clarity whatever we want with that voice with $49 software.

Maybe I (and you) are just not aware of that existing.


If any effort this would have been done a long long time ago. Imagine software that allowed you to precisely control accent or even locality, adding subtle things like nasal reverberations, exhalations, and minor speech defects - using things like sliders on a panel. Add auto-translation too and we are halfway to a Babelfish.

Instead, software developers have leaned on (increasingly expensive) voice actors. Look, I love Claudia Black and Jennifer Hale, but they have slowed down technology advancement. Graphics have moved ahead by light years, but duplicating the human voice has been nearly ignored. The driving demand for it is IVR and that demand is just enough to work with no desire to impress.
 
2013-01-25 01:50:14 PM  

ThatGuyGreg: dletter: And $2495 in 2012 dollars is  $5,522.19 today.

See how cheap Mac's are now? :)

Yeah, computers of all stripes cost an arm & a leg 30 years ago.


You could buy a 48K ZX Spectrum at the time for £130.
 
2013-01-25 01:51:20 PM  

hamdinger: I owned real computers growing up.


http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff31/spongerapple/ibm-system-370.p n g

Picture of what a real computer might look like.

/get off my lawn
 
2013-01-25 01:53:12 PM  

Gordon Bennett: ThatGuyGreg: dletter: And $2495 in 2012 dollars is  $5,522.19 today.

See how cheap Mac's are now? :)

Yeah, computers of all stripes cost an arm & a leg 30 years ago.

You could buy a 48K ZX Spectrum at the time for £130.


proyectobasiczx.files.wordpress.com

Sure, if you wanted a toy.
 
2013-01-25 01:58:25 PM  
sonofabiatch.. photobucket phail
i236.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-25 02:28:07 PM  

Ed Grubermann: Gordon Bennett: ThatGuyGreg: dletter: And $2495 in 2012 dollars is  $5,522.19 today.

See how cheap Mac's are now? :)

Yeah, computers of all stripes cost an arm & a leg 30 years ago.

You could buy a 48K ZX Spectrum at the time for £130.

[proyectobasiczx.files.wordpress.com image 640x480]

Sure, if you wanted a toy.


It's a 100% fully functional home computer at a price that the working class could afford. It sold bucketloads and changed countless lives. Everyone who owned one could code for it, even if just a little. And while it may have been limited it wasn't that far behind the machines that Apple and IBM were selling for thousands of pounds.
 
2013-01-25 02:36:42 PM  

gingerjet: Archie Goodwin: dletter: And $2495 in 2012 dollars is  $5,522.19 today.

See how cheap Mac's are now? :)

And it was worth every penny.

/Still have mine.
//Doesn't work though.

The Mac 512Ke that was our first computer is still being used by a elderly friend of the family.  And my second computer (Mac SE) still turns on but the SCSI HD drive that was its boot drive died a decade ago.

/then again - most fark'r have no clue what the word 'value' means


What are they using it for?
 
2013-01-25 02:37:19 PM  

Gordon Bennett: It's a 100% fully functional home computer at a price that the working class could afford. It sold bucketloads and changed countless lives. Everyone who owned one could code for it, even if just a little. And while it may have been limited it wasn't that far behind the machines that Apple and IBM were selling for thousands of pounds.


No no no no no

That would be the Commodore 64
 
2013-01-25 02:38:17 PM  

Dokushin: gingerjet: Archie Goodwin: dletter: And $2495 in 2012 dollars is  $5,522.19 today.

See how cheap Mac's are now? :)

And it was worth every penny.

/Still have mine.
//Doesn't work though.

The Mac 512Ke that was our first computer is still being used by a elderly friend of the family.  And my second computer (Mac SE) still turns on but the SCSI HD drive that was its boot drive died a decade ago.

/then again - most fark'r have no clue what the word 'value' means

What are they using it for?


A Mac 512Ke? Probably a space heater.
 
2013-01-25 03:24:12 PM  

madgonad: This points out something that always puzzled me.

In 30 years processor speed has increased 1000x
In 30 years storage capacity has increased 100000x
In 30 years computer graphics have gone from showing a few thousand pixels to billions of triangles and teraflops of shaders.

BUT VOICE SYNTHESIS STILL FARKING SUCKS!!!!


Came here to say just this.  The voice synthesis on my Android (says the person's name who's calling me) is no better than what's in this Apple video.

Seriously.  It pronounces names like "Tracey" as "Trace-EYE".
 
2013-01-25 03:26:04 PM  

Dokushin: What are they using it for?


The friend of the family uses the 512Ke to write short stories and letters which he prints out on an Epson printer he found at some garage sale (the Image Writer ][ long since died) and then files away or mails.   Last time I was at home - my dad showed me a letter that he received last last christmas from the dude and it was like being dragged back into the 80s (not a lot of fond memories from that time period).

The Mac SE sits on my shelf and acts as a bookend.  When I moved last year I tried booting it up with a floppy boot disk and it got about 3/4s up when the floppy started making that sound a floppy disk makes it when its damaged (most likely caused by the floppy drive that hasn't been used in a decade). It was the last Mac I owned until Apple released Mac OS X.
 
2013-01-25 03:27:08 PM  

downstairs: madgonad: This points out something that always puzzled me.

In 30 years processor speed has increased 1000x
In 30 years storage capacity has increased 100000x
In 30 years computer graphics have gone from showing a few thousand pixels to billions of triangles and teraflops of shaders.

BUT VOICE SYNTHESIS STILL FARKING SUCKS!!!!

Came here to say just this.  The voice synthesis on my Android (says the person's name who's calling me) is no better than what's in this Apple video.

Seriously.  It pronounces names like "Tracey" as "Trace-EYE".


Meh, natural language is strong AI. We'll crack one when we've cracked the other. Stochastic techniques can help us take some of the pain out of it, but until you can teach a program in similar domains it just isn't going to understand the same kind of language we do.

\ Working on it
 
2013-01-25 03:31:06 PM  

theurge14: My 7th grade history teacher had one of these in his classroom. Not for students:

[i.imgur.com image 527x405]

The writing lab down the hall had bunch of these. For students:

[i.imgur.com image 360x438]

We used them for this:

[i.imgur.com image 640x480]

WE TYPED OUR PAPERS WITH OUR KEYBOARDS AND PRESSED FUNCTION KEYS AND KEPT OUR FLOPPY DISKS IN OUR BACKPACKS AND WE WALKED TO SCHOOL UPHILL IN THE SNOW AND WE LIKED IT.


DON'T forget the templates. You'd have a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy that you would let other people copy.

www.mtmonthly.com
 
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