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(Cult of Mac)   Good news; It will only cost you $125 to escape the clutches of Windows 8, with a downgrade to Windows 7   (cultofmac.com) divider line 69
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2013-01-25 03:28:37 AM  
your blog sucks
 
2013-01-25 03:53:22 AM  
I like Windows 8. It works just fine, and the UI is pretty cool, once you get used to it.
 
2013-01-25 07:35:16 AM  
Or I could buy start8 for five bucks
 
2013-01-25 07:58:38 AM  

MmmmBacon: I like Windows 8. It works just fine, and the UI is pretty cool, once you get used to it.


No, no it isn't. The simple issue of closing apps quickly is such a clusterfark that one thing alone ruins the entire OS. Who ever it was at Microsoft that said "Hey, let's get rid of the x in the corner for closing apps" should be shot. And don't get me started on the lack of a start button. Here is a clue- having to move the mouse to a corner and wait for a hidden menu to pop up is NOT an improvement.
 
2013-01-25 08:19:48 AM  

Dinki: MmmmBacon: I like Windows 8. It works just fine, and the UI is pretty cool, once you get used to it.

No, no it isn't. The simple issue of closing apps quickly is such a clusterfark that one thing alone ruins the entire OS. Who ever it was at Microsoft that said "Hey, let's get rid of the x in the corner for closing apps" should be shot. And don't get me started on the lack of a start button. Here is a clue- having to move the mouse to a corner and wait for a hidden menu to pop up is NOT an improvement.


I don't find it that troublesome.
 
2013-01-25 08:40:39 AM  
"people" hate windows 8
 
2013-01-25 09:26:39 AM  
Windows 8 is ugly as fark. I get that they're trying to make it look like a tablet. Or I'm guessing that's what they were going for but it looks like shiat. I haven't used it yet so I can't comment on its functionality, just its aesthetics.
 
2013-01-25 09:32:59 AM  

stratagos: Or I could buy start8 for five bucks


Or you could download ClassicShell for free.
 
2013-01-25 09:34:51 AM  

Dinki: MmmmBacon: I like Windows 8. It works just fine, and the UI is pretty cool, once you get used to it.

No, no it isn't. The simple issue of closing apps quickly is such a clusterfark that one thing alone ruins the entire OS. Who ever it was at Microsoft that said "Hey, let's get rid of the x in the corner for closing apps" should be shot. And don't get me started on the lack of a start button. Here is a clue- having to move the mouse to a corner and wait for a hidden menu to pop up is NOT an improvement.


I have my task bar auto hide, and have been doing so since Windows 98. It was a bigger issue on smaller monitors (getting it out of the way, more usable screen space for the application), but it's just my default now since I've been doing it for so long.

It would annoy me more if they took that away and insisted that I had to have some sort of task bar/UI thing on my screen at all times no matter what
 
2013-01-25 09:35:06 AM  
They'll get over it.

/Just because it is different doesn't mean it is bad
//If you can't figure it our you are an idiot
 
2013-01-25 09:38:05 AM  

Dinki: "Hey, let's get rid of the x in the corner for closing apps


Apps are a new thing. They have never had an X. Desktop programs have an X. I use it all the time. To close them. Exactly the same way I did in Win7.
 
2013-01-25 09:38:13 AM  
Windows 8 thread! YaY!
 
2013-01-25 09:39:51 AM  
why does it cost more for a downgrade than a copy of win7?
 
2013-01-25 09:44:48 AM  

SuperT: why does it cost more for a downgrade than a copy of win7?


You think their tech is going to click OK every once in a while for free?
 
2013-01-25 09:48:45 AM  
Aside from needing Windows 7 to run certain software (namely, games), I don't understand why anyone would get so butthurt about having Windows 8 pre-installed on their machine.

It takes a little getting used to, but it's actually a fairly pleasant experience once you learn how it works. It's different from Windows 7 in that you're using the tiles more than the taskbar at the bottom of the screen, but is that such a bad thing?

The instant on feature is nice, and the way that the OS allows you to have some built-in share functions like you'd have on a smartphone is also welcome. The cloud integration with your account is also great. Eventually, Windows 8 or 9 could turn into a system where it doesn't really matter which computer you're using because everything is stored online anyway.

Pretty much the only thing I don't like about Windows 8 is the apps (not desktop applications, but the things you actually get from the app store). They don't always work well, the app store is prone to crippling bugs that prohibit your system from updating apps unless you do a fresh install (which is painless, but which wipes all your desktop applications). There are some real opportunities to improve that whole experience.
 
2013-01-25 09:49:57 AM  
Windows 8 is pretty much why i hate microsfot

Viruses all over the place

Meet the newb oss

Same as the old bos

- posted from my iPad
 
2013-01-25 09:52:45 AM  
Seeing how Microsoft finally canned the fool that designed the crap 8 interface, we're likely to get the desktop back in SP1.
 
2013-01-25 09:53:03 AM  
When Demonoid was still up, getting another version of windows cost nothing.
 
2013-01-25 09:59:37 AM  

secularsage: It takes a little getting used to, but it's actually a fairly pleasant experience once you learn how it works. It's different from Windows 7 in that you're using the tiles more than the taskbar at the bottom of the screen, but is that such a bad thing?


Yes, it is.

Change is a bad thing.

Always.

No, I will not "get over it".

Shut up, Jeff.
 
2013-01-25 10:04:36 AM  

Mugato: Windows 8 is ugly as fark. I get that they're trying to make it look like a tablet. Or I'm guessing that's what they were going for but it looks like shiat. I haven't used it yet so I can't comment on its functionality, just its aesthetics.


They want people with a desktop to buy apps meant for touchscreens. Or if you own a windows tablet, you can have the apps you bought on your touchscreen. So their solution was to force you to deal with an interface created specifically for touchscreens even if you're on a desktop and don't want to bother with apps. It's a pain in the ass that so many things open with surface by default when there's another program to open the same shiat that's meant to be on a desktop.
 
2013-01-25 10:10:20 AM  
This whole obsession with touchscreen desktops is stupid. I don't want a touchscreen desktop because I don't care to hold my finger out and jab at my monitor. Laptops, sure, give me dual touchscreens, but just leave the damned desktop alone.

//your blog sucks.
//I get all my apple news from OMGWINDOWSISSOGOOD.COM
 
2013-01-25 10:11:42 AM  
How about an OS license that lets people just pick whatever OS they want? They have that for volume licenses, so why not for individuals?
 
2013-01-25 10:18:22 AM  

Mike_LowELL: Windows 8 is pretty much why i hate microsfot

Viruses all over the place

Meet the newb oss

Same as the old bos

- posted from my iPad


I don't think you got a legit version...
 
2013-01-25 10:29:09 AM  

oh_please: stratagos: Or I could buy start8 for five bucks

Or you could download ClassicShell for free.


This.

Answer to people saying "b-b-but gaming!"
Tom's Hardware
Seriously, Im tired of posting these links.
 
2013-01-25 10:29:42 AM  
Funny that this thread arrives just as I am setting up my three year old Macbook for my daughter and typing this on the brand new i7/Win8 box I just put together...  Win8 is almost as ugly as every other version of Windows.  Almost.  But it works.
 
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2013-01-25 10:35:03 AM  

Barbaro's Broken Ankle: They'll get over it.

/Just because it is different doesn't mean it is bad
//If you can't figure it our you are an idiot


MS will get over it too. W8 has the 'every other MS os sucks' stigma , partially because the unneeded GUI changes are off-putting, and partially because W7 serves most users (casual and otherwise) just fine.

/just because it's different doesn't mean it's an improvement.
//you're confusing 'can't' with 'don't feel like'
 
2013-01-25 10:38:54 AM  
 
2013-01-25 10:45:46 AM  
Didn't we just have this thread?
 
2013-01-25 11:02:45 AM  
Classic Shell.  After that everything is fine.
 
2013-01-25 11:07:15 AM  
Um, Linux?
 
2013-01-25 11:19:25 AM  

oh_please: stratagos: Or I could buy start8 for five bucks

Or you could download ClassicShell for free.


Or you could learn to use the technology.
 
2013-01-25 11:48:54 AM  
FoSS provided my last Windows-program holdout, so I gleefully deleted Parallels and am pure Mac OS now. Lookit all that extra hard drive space, and lack of popups. (Seriously, fark you, Parallels, for deciding to spam my screen every week with 'offers' I couldn't care less about.)
 
2013-01-25 11:56:55 AM  

secularsage: Aside from needing Windows 7 to run certain software (namely, games)


wow really which ones exactly
 
2013-01-25 12:22:14 PM  

Mike_LowELL: Windows 8 is pretty much why i hate microsfot

Viruses all over the place

Meet the newb oss

Same as the old bos

- posted from my iPad


Your iPad is drunk.
 
2013-01-25 12:25:28 PM  

Slaves2Darkness: oh_please: stratagos: Or I could buy start8 for five bucks

Or you could download ClassicShell for free.

Or you could learn to use the technology.


I've learned it. Still don't like it. Shocking, I know.
 
2013-01-25 12:55:59 PM  
Heh, almost all of my machines at home and at work run Windows 8. Just a few minutes ago I went into my firm's conference room to fire up the projector + PC to start a remote desktop presentation for a client. It was funny how slow Win 7 felt.

Now mind you it's a very new 3rd gen core i5 machine with 6 gigs of ram. No slouch.

Boot up takes 3x's as long - about 45 seconds. Once in the OS, I tap the windows key to bring up the search dialog. Type "remote" Then start counting:

-1
-2
-3

Oh, there's the icon for remote! Windows 7 always seems to drag a little within a minute or so of logging in - then it starts to get snappy. That's gone in Win8.

While it's a very small example, it's one where the whole action would have taken 1/2 the time on one of my Windows 8 machines. Sure, 30 seconds isn't that long to wait - but once you start adding up the OS delays over a period of days and weeks, those wasted seconds start to really add up. That alone is enough reason for me to learn a slightly different UI. Plus having an OS wide spellcheck is nice!
 
2013-01-25 01:08:35 PM  
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO glad I got my new PC last Summer, just before Win8 came out.
 
2013-01-25 01:09:26 PM  

Barbaro's Broken Ankle: They'll get over it.

/Just because it is different doesn't mean it is bad
//If you can't figure it our you are an idiot


I bet you like Miracle Whip too.
 
2013-01-25 01:16:22 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: we're likely to get the desktop back in SP1.


You don't have desktop now? What did you do? You're certainly not running stock Win8 if you don't have desktop, so why don't you start over and not do whatever dumb thing you did?
 
2013-01-25 01:21:43 PM  
Oh great, another thread with morons biatching about their start button.
 
2013-01-25 01:32:02 PM  
Big giant icons make me very upset. Also I need to point my cursor at a different corner now to do stuff. Time to go learn how to use Ubuntu.
 
2013-01-25 01:39:48 PM  
I had to set up a new laptop for my mother-in-law and it came with windows 8. The main UI changes like the start button got me raging at first, but I got over it. Once I figured out you can just start typing from the start screen most of my rage dissipated and I was able to get around and get everything done. I cleaned up the start screen, pinned the few programs the mother in law actually uses to the taskbar and with a few minutes training on how to find her docs and how to get back to the desktop if she accidentally gets into the annoying tablet oriented full screen mode and she's been using the machine for three weeks without calling me with tech issues. So either it's been so bad she's just not using the new computer or she's adapted. Not sure which yet.

They should have put in a big banner on the start screen that says "there is no search field to find; just start typing" and it probably would have helped reduce the first time user frustration.
 
2013-01-25 01:57:49 PM  
Whatever man, I used Windows ME for like 3 years. Now that was an OS that actually deserved to be mocked... fortunately it faded away quickly and most people were never exposed to its inhumane horrors.

If I had known where my Win95 install cd was at the time, I would have eagerly downgraded. Hell, 3.1 would have been fine with me over that unstable pile of fark.

/will keep using XP until this computer dies
 
2013-01-25 02:03:50 PM  
You know, I don't use MS Windows a lot anymore. But when your blog is on a site titled 'cult of mac', I'm going to have a hard time buying what you are selling.
 
2013-01-25 02:55:00 PM  

SuperT: why does it cost more for a downgrade than a copy of win7?


Because they are either charging for labor, or they are preying on people that don't know that Win 8 Pro includes downgrade rights.
 
2013-01-25 03:18:34 PM  
"Cult of Mac"? C'mon.

And yeah, I'm sure that inkjet print flyer in the window of a shop where they take payments with a cellphone app is fully indicative of market trends.

Now look, I'm not crazy about 8. But this is grasping at straws. Well, no. It's just scraping pubes off the floor and claiming it's straws.
 
2013-01-25 03:44:05 PM  
Better news : for $0 you can get the same interface you are familiar with in Windows 8 as in Windows 7, but with better performance as it uses less resources.
 
2013-01-25 03:52:17 PM  

sjmcc13: Better news : for $0 you can get the same interface you are familiar with in Windows 8 as in Windows 7, but with better performance as it uses less resources.


Actually, Windows 8 runs faster on both my machines. I installed Classic Shell, but that's when I realized I don't even use the start menu that much. At any rate, with Classic Shell and the thing I used to get my gadgets back, I basically have a faster version of Windows 7 with slightly tweaked title bars.
 
2013-01-25 03:55:49 PM  

Slaves2Darkness: oh_please: stratagos: Or I could buy start8 for five bucks

Or you could download ClassicShell for free.

Or you could learn to use the technology.


I've learned it, because I have to, it's my job.

OTOH, Mom and Pop don't want to farking relearn Windows. They shouldn't have to. They just want their new computer to work sort of like their old one did. 8 doesn't do that. Start8/ClassicShell gives them an alternative.

I swear, every Win8 thread is filled with people who can't wait to tell everyone how they learned it in 2 seconds, and TBH, it's not that hard if you have an open mind. Most people don't, especially when it comes to computers. Just about every "regular person" (not computer savvy, doesn't want to be) who has any Windows experience HATES 8.

And it's butt-ugly, too.
 
2013-01-25 04:05:07 PM  

oh_please: Slaves2Darkness: oh_please: stratagos: Or I could buy start8 for five bucks

Or you could download ClassicShell for free.

Or you could learn to use the technology.

I've learned it, because I have to, it's my job.

OTOH, Mom and Pop don't want to farking relearn Windows. They shouldn't have to. They just want their new computer to work sort of like their old one did. 8 doesn't do that. Start8/ClassicShell gives them an alternative.

I swear, every Win8 thread is filled with people who can't wait to tell everyone how they learned it in 2 seconds, and TBH, it's not that hard if you have an open mind. Most people don't, especially when it comes to computers. Just about every "regular person" (not computer savvy, doesn't want to be) who has any Windows experience HATES 8.

And it's butt-ugly, too.


Yeah, but mom and pop are probably still using XP and don't want to learn the interface changes in 7 either.
 
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