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2013-01-25 09:32:06 AM
Time to launch Task Manager and end Ballmer.exe
 
2013-01-25 11:03:12 AM
Expect nothing and go home satisfied!
 
2013-01-25 11:12:05 AM
Online Services Division

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Oh look - its search devision lost another 283 million dollars....
 
2013-01-25 11:20:09 AM
Even the much-derided Vista boosted the Windows division's revenues by something like 45%. But the Windows 8 launch gave a 24% boost. It's no wonder PC OEMs are hurting.
 
2013-01-25 11:41:19 AM

lemurs: Even the much-derided Vista boosted the Windows division's revenues by something like 45%. But the Windows 8 launch gave a 24% boost. It's no wonder PC OEMs are hurting.


My laptop is five years old, but is fast enough that I don't feel any need to upgrade. For most users a PC is more than they'll ever make use of. Until it breaks why buy a new one?
 
2013-01-25 11:51:05 AM

davidphogan: My laptop is five years old, but is fast enough that I don't feel any need to upgrade. For most users a PC is more than they'll ever make use of. Until it breaks why buy a new one?


Traditionally, the idea was that a new version of Windows would encourage people to upgrade their PCs in order to take advantage of new features or whatever. Like how a 486 might've been good enough for Windows 3.1, but Windows 95 was improved enough to push people onto Pentiums.

But from sales reports, it's clear Windows 8 isn't having that effect at all. And the fault for that lies with Microsoft.
 
2013-01-25 11:55:20 AM
in this thread: people talking about shiat they understand.

and i don't have time or patience to correct them today.

/metro is good on touch
//bad elsewhere
 
2013-01-25 12:03:59 PM

Kazan: in this thread: people talking about shiat they understand.

and i don't have time or patience to correct them today.

/metro is good on touch
//bad elsewhere


Still doesn't mean the operating system is bad. Aside from the metro interface, which I don't use much more than a landing board for common applications I run (Launching a browser, desktop, music app, dev app or a game) I'm in the desktop mode most of the time. The minimalist feel of the OS is really growing on me and the upgrades behind the scenes are pretty nice. They took a really big risk, but I think in the end it will work out just fine.
 
2013-01-25 12:13:46 PM

Celerian: Kazan: in this thread: people talking about shiat they understand.

and i don't have time or patience to correct them today.

/metro is good on touch
//bad elsewhere

Still doesn't mean the operating system is bad. Aside from the metro interface, which I don't use much more than a landing board for common applications I run (Launching a browser, desktop, music app, dev app or a game) I'm in the desktop mode most of the time. The minimalist feel of the OS is really growing on me and the upgrades behind the scenes are pretty nice. They took a really big risk, but I think in the end it will work out just fine.


oh absolutely. the behind the scenes upgrades are awesome, which is why i'm annoyed that the farking UI is attention whoring.

i work on server.
 
2013-01-25 12:56:44 PM
Even the much-derided Vista boosted the Windows division's revenues by something like 45%. But the Windows 8 launch gave a 24% boost. It's no wonder PC OEMs are hurting.

Any bump in profit is likely due to the number of people having to buy 2 OS - Windows 8 that comes on it, and Windows 7 so they can use it.
 
2013-01-25 01:10:36 PM

Kazan: Celerian: Kazan: in this thread: people talking about shiat they understand.

and i don't have time or patience to correct them today.

/metro is good on touch
//bad elsewhere

Still doesn't mean the operating system is bad. Aside from the metro interface, which I don't use much more than a landing board for common applications I run (Launching a browser, desktop, music app, dev app or a game) I'm in the desktop mode most of the time. The minimalist feel of the OS is really growing on me and the upgrades behind the scenes are pretty nice. They took a really big risk, but I think in the end it will work out just fine.

oh absolutely. the behind the scenes upgrades are awesome, which is why i'm annoyed that the farking UI is attention whoring.

i work on server.


Initially, i didn't want the SysAdmin in our building to upgrade users to Windows 8 or any of the servers to 2013, but upgrading the servers might be nice (assuming some of the software we have could run on the new version, which I'm not sure about since our most critical servers are still running 2003.
 
2013-01-25 01:19:29 PM

Celerian: Initially, i didn't want the SysAdmin in our building to upgrade users to Windows 8 or any of the servers to 2013, but upgrading the servers might be nice (assuming some of the software we have could run on the new version, which I'm not sure about since our most critical servers are still running 2003.


The only compelling reasons I can see right now to upgrade beyond 2008 R2 are Powershell v3, the new roles in Core and some good improvements to Hyper-V.

And you can get PS/WMF 3.0 for 2008 R2.

We'll be moving pieces of our infrastructure to 2012, but we're on 2008 R2 right now for AD DS and will stay that way, and I don't foresee us being able to leave VMWare for Hyper-V. However, if we had a smaller virtual load, it would finally start to make some sense from a financial perspective and we would probably go 100% 2012 while leaving the domain and forest on 2008 R2.
You have to be very careful about certain applications not working in 2012. For example, Exchange is a big stumbling block right now if you're not moving to or on 2013.
 
2013-01-25 01:46:43 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Celerian: Initially, i didn't want the SysAdmin in our building to upgrade users to Windows 8 or any of the servers to 2013, but upgrading the servers might be nice (assuming some of the software we have could run on the new version, which I'm not sure about since our most critical servers are still running 2003.

The only compelling reasons I can see right now to upgrade beyond 2008 R2 are Powershell v3, the new roles in Core and some good improvements to Hyper-V.

And you can get PS/WMF 3.0 for 2008 R2.

We'll be moving pieces of our infrastructure to 2012, but we're on 2008 R2 right now for AD DS and will stay that way, and I don't foresee us being able to leave VMWare for Hyper-V. However, if we had a smaller virtual load, it would finally start to make some sense from a financial perspective and we would probably go 100% 2012 while leaving the domain and forest on 2008 R2.
You have to be very careful about certain applications not working in 2012. For example, Exchange is a big stumbling block right now if you're not moving to or on 2013.


Well, he wanted to upgrade his servers to 2013, as he is supposed to be updating all the systems to Windows 7 and everyone should be getting Office 2013. He asked if I wanted to upgrade my servers, but that means I would have to make sure all my vendors can garuntee that their applications were on 2013, as well as an upgrade to SQL 2012. But, none of the vendors seem prepared to do that for a while, so I guess that I'm keeping everything the way it is, aside from adding on a couple TB of NAS.
 
2013-01-25 02:43:21 PM
FTA "San Francisco: Microsoft Corp. shares slipped on Thursday after the release of quarterly earnings figures that surpassed forecasts but left it unclear how the software titan will score in the post personal computer era."

Funny, they talk about immediate after-hours trading - yet don't mention that by the market's morning bell, MSFT shares were up 1% and trading positively all day.

/while AAPL continues its 3-month slide.
 
2013-01-25 02:50:37 PM

MrSteve007: FTA "San Francisco: Microsoft Corp. shares slipped on Thursday after the release of quarterly earnings figures that surpassed forecasts but left it unclear how the software titan will score in the post personal computer era."

Funny, they talk about immediate after-hours trading - yet don't mention that by the market's morning bell, MSFT shares were up 1% and trading positively all day.

/while AAPL continues its 3-month slide.


Whatever, junior. You could find any random day in that "3-month slide" where Apple's stock went up 1% or more. Get back to us in three months.
 
2013-01-25 02:56:34 PM
Server 2012 is generally pretty nice, except for 1 big problem. One key program won't run on it: Exchange 2010. Bastards.
 
2013-01-25 03:27:15 PM

lemurs: davidphogan: My laptop is five years old, but is fast enough that I don't feel any need to upgrade. For most users a PC is more than they'll ever make use of. Until it breaks why buy a new one?

Traditionally, the idea was that a new version of Windows would encourage people to upgrade their PCs in order to take advantage of new features or whatever. Like how a 486 might've been good enough for Windows 3.1, but Windows 95 was improved enough to push people onto Pentiums.

But from sales reports, it's clear Windows 8 isn't having that effect at all. And the fault for that lies with Microsoft.


Windows 8 isn't designed to boost PC sales, in fact, it's not designed to boost sales at all...right now.

Microsoft is so far behind in the tablet/phone market, they're forcing 8 on the PC users in the hopes they'll get used to it, THEN when it's time to buy their next tablet/phone, said users will buy Windows, because they're already used to the interface. It's risky, but I don't see what else they can do at this point.

They're pissing off Joe and Jane PC user right now, though.
 
2013-01-25 03:29:54 PM

bingethinker: MrSteve007: FTA "San Francisco: Microsoft Corp. shares slipped on Thursday after the release of quarterly earnings figures that surpassed forecasts but left it unclear how the software titan will score in the post personal computer era."

Funny, they talk about immediate after-hours trading - yet don't mention that by the market's morning bell, MSFT shares were up 1% and trading positively all day.

/while AAPL continues its 3-month slide.

Whatever, junior. You could find any random day in that "3-month slide" where Apple's stock went up 1% or more. Get back to us in three months.


Apple stock varies wildly from day to day as so much of its value is based on speculation. It always jumps when analysts believe Apple has a big announcement coming, for instance.
 
2013-01-25 03:34:02 PM

oh_please: Microsoft is so far behind in the tablet/phone market, they're forcing 8 on the PC users in the hopes they'll get used to it, THEN when it's time to buy their next tablet/phone, said users will buy Windows, because they're already used to the interface. It's risky, but I don't see what else they can do at this point.

They're pissing off Joe and Jane PC user right now, though.


1. They're actually trying to future proof things as having the same OS across tablet, PC and phone is extremely useful when sharing documents (they've screwed royally up on the PC UI though)
2. No, they're not actually pissing off most PC users. A lot of casual PC users actually LIKE Metro because it's actually friendlier to the non-power user. It's a great UI for touchscreens or media PCs really. It's just not great for a workstation.
3. Windows key+D, switch between Metro and desktop with a single keystroke. Solved a lot of my issues with Win8 on the new laptop when I figured that one out.
 
2013-01-25 04:05:13 PM

mokinokaro: A lot of casual PC users actually LIKE Metro because it's actually friendlier to the non-power user.


Then why am I making money showing "casual users" how to close a program?

If you've never used a Windows product in your life, yeah, I could see it being fine. Problem is, this doesn't give their established customer base anything but a major headache.
 
2013-01-25 04:19:43 PM

mokinokaro: 1. They're actually trying to future proof things as having the same OS across tablet, PC and phone is extremely useful when sharing documents (they've screwed royally up on the PC UI though)
2. No, they're not actually pissing off most PC users. A lot of casual PC users actually LIKE Metro because it's actually friendlier to the non-power user. It's a great UI for touchscreens or media PCs really. It's just not great for a workstation.
3. Windows key+D, switch between Metro and desktop with a single keystroke. Solved a lot of my issues with Win8 on the new laptop when I figured that one out.


1: Yet it isn't - because it's RT versus "real" windows... not one OS.
2: No, ordinary users don't like metro because it's made for fingers and touch - and not the mouse and ordinary monitor they have.
3. Yes, now we go hunt for everything else that's hidden in the most idiotic places around Windows 8.
 
2013-01-25 04:29:43 PM

NotARocketScientist: Even the much-derided Vista boosted the Windows division's revenues by something like 45%. But the Windows 8 launch gave a 24% boost. It's no wonder PC OEMs are hurting.

Any bump in profit is likely due to the number of people having to buy 2 OS - Windows 8 that comes on it, and Windows 7 so they can use it.


Yes, well, I guess there are people who a just so stupid they can't use 8. They must be pretty damn stupid though.
 
2013-01-25 05:02:05 PM

sonofASDF: 1: Yet it isn't - because it's RT versus "real" windows... not one OS.


Every feature isn't the same across platforms, but you have to admit their basic UI is now the same across web browsing (msn), applications, phones, tablets, living rooms (Xbox) and laptop or desktop computers.

While it may not be perfect UI for every experience and feature, I don't know of many other UIs that can simultaneously handle gesture, touch, stylus and mouse input.

/for those of us used to using Windows Phone, Windows 8 feel very natural.
 
2013-01-25 07:33:29 PM

MrSteve007: Every feature isn't the same across platforms, but you have to admit their basic UI is now the same across web browsing (msn), applications, phones, tablets, living rooms (Xbox) and laptop or desktop computers.


Yes, but there's a difference between a phone, an X-Box and a PC - mainly how and with what, you control the device. Having the same UI would (in the case of Windows 8) be fine if you were using your fingers on a relatively small screen. It's of little or no use on a 30" monitor with a mouse and a keyboard.

Having the same UI doesn't make up for the fact that RT and "real" Windows 8 is two very different things (Windows Phone 8 is another version) - RT (by omission) is impossible to get to work on a corporate network and with corporate files without jumping through Microsoft's own external "services (and that only works in some cases).

While it may not be perfect UI for every experience and feature, I don't know of many other UIs that can simultaneously handle gesture, touch, stylus and mouse input.

It might handle mouse input, but it's not made for it - the whole mess about absolute versus relative position just shows that Microsoft only had one experience in mind when designing the user interface: touch. Thing is Microsoft tries to make every device work in one way, and one way only - even Apple isn't that stupid.

/for those of us used to using Windows Phone, Windows 8 feel very natural.

For a PC workstation user it's just annoying - you spend a great deal of time removing the "new" features, so it ends up looking and acting like a more lean Windows 7 - hardly what Microsoft had in mind (if they did they might had made that process less idiotic).
 
2013-01-25 09:47:47 PM

mokinokaro: bingethinker: MrSteve007: FTA "San Francisco: Microsoft Corp. shares slipped on Thursday after the release of quarterly earnings figures that surpassed forecasts but left it unclear how the software titan will score in the post personal computer era."

Funny, they talk about immediate after-hours trading - yet don't mention that by the market's morning bell, MSFT shares were up 1% and trading positively all day.

/while AAPL continues its 3-month slide.

Whatever, junior. You could find any random day in that "3-month slide" where Apple's stock went up 1% or more. Get back to us in three months.

Apple stock varies wildly from day to day as so much of its value is based on speculation. It always jumps when analysts believe Apple has a big announcement coming, for instance.


And it usually goes down after the big announcement, because they've "only" come out with a new phone, instead of warp drive or an electronic curse for cancer.

My point was that any stock can jump up or down 1% on one particular day without it meaning anything in the long term. Looks like the MS shill ignored me anyway.
 
2013-01-26 05:11:07 AM
I'm guessing sales of Win 7 are through the roof right now. People updating their OS's now so they won't end up being stuck with that touchscreen shiat.
 
2013-01-26 07:00:03 AM

lemurs: But from sales reports, it's clear Windows 8 isn't having that effect at all. And the fault for that lies with Microsoft.


Windows 8 is basically unnecessary, and should have been branded as something else and treated as a "subsequent" release to 7 with higher functionality and easy touch-screen capability, IMO.

I have no desire for it, because I do not have a touch screen (which seems to be "the" biggest draw and reason to upgrade).
 
2013-01-26 07:03:06 AM
And I am not saying Windows 8 is, say, Windows ME. I just don't think it was necessary yet.
 
2013-01-26 06:46:23 PM

ghare: NotARocketScientist: Even the much-derided Vista boosted the Windows division's revenues by something like 45%. But the Windows 8 launch gave a 24% boost. It's no wonder PC OEMs are hurting.

Any bump in profit is likely due to the number of people having to buy 2 OS - Windows 8 that comes on it, and Windows 7 so they can use it.

Yes, well, I guess there are people who a just so stupid they can't use 8. They must be pretty damn stupid though.


I'm not stupid. I'm just sick of their crap. I won't get fooled again.
 
2013-01-26 10:06:51 PM
Windows 8 pro with HyperV makes it easy to compile my software and then test it on virtual "vanilla" machines running XP, 2003, 2008, and Windows 7. After the test I just revert the snapshot and they are all vanilla again for the next test. This is a big productivity win because I am able to quickly pre-test builds for obvious flaws before sending them to QC.

The worst thing about Windows 8 is the built-in metro PDF reader. Do these morons not understand that when you are reading a PDFf, the document itself is not the THING you are working on, it is ABOUT the thing you are working on. You need to switch back and forth quickly and the screen hog metro app just gets in your way so you end up reading PDFs with a different program to avoid the frustration.
 
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