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2013-01-25 06:36:53 AM
I was so shocked last week when I visited a nearby small town and saw two deputies walk into a store in uniform and they actually looked like people. It was a probably 55 year old physically fit man and his also fit 20-something female partner in dark brown clothing with a single gun each on their belts, no buzz cuts or steroids anywhere in evidence. Three years earlier though I saw one of the city cops at a Subway and he had, I'm not kidding, a Glock on his right hip, a 1911 strapped low on his right thigh gunslinger-style, another Glock backwards on his left hip for the cross-draw, body armor, no neck, shaved head, mirrored sunglasses...who feels safe with somebody looking like that around?

Maybe it's just the difference between city and county. I'd much rather the old man show up at my house if I had a problem than the other guy. Glad I don't live in town.

/Crossville
//GAT_00 knows the town I'm talking about.
///Yes, I know what an actual Glock-brand pistol looks like.
 
2013-01-25 06:37:11 AM

imasig: "The new guns will ultimately be paid for by the officers themselves who are taking a deduction in their paychecks to make this happen."

Is bring your own gun common in law enforcement?


And, if they are required purchases, they will probably get a tax deduction for them too.
 
2013-01-25 06:40:12 AM

Koodz: and they actually looked like people.


I can see where you and Gat got shocked.
 
2013-01-25 06:44:07 AM
From a tactical standpoint, longarms (a category which includes rifles) don't actually make a lot of sense as something to just carry around. Rifles are intimidating -especially in light of recent traumas- but if you don't know in advance exactly when you're going to need a rifle to be ready, it's way too slow to prepare. A SWAT officer can do that -the nature of their calls pretty much means they need guns out by definition- but for your everyday beat cop, a handgun is a far more practical weapon.
 
2013-01-25 06:48:40 AM

Millennium: From a tactical standpoint, longarms (a category which includes rifles) don't actually make a lot of sense as something to just carry around. Rifles are intimidating -especially in light of recent traumas- but if you don't know in advance exactly when you're going to need a rifle to be ready, it's way too slow to prepare. A SWAT officer can do that -the nature of their calls pretty much means they need guns out by definition- but for your everyday beat cop, a handgun is a far more practical weapon.


They are treated like shotguns, kept in a rack or trunk of a squadcar until they are needed.
 
2013-01-25 06:54:13 AM

Too many guns lately. Have a Pikaman.

i296.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-25 07:04:53 AM

Fail in Human Form: violentsalvation: muck4doo: violentsalvation: BronyMedic: fusillade762: BronyMedic:
I prefer a mini-14 myself to ar-15's. I sold mine several years ago, and now wonder if i can ever buy one again when i get the money. I like them because they are fun and cheap to shoot. Also, you try shooting 100 rounds of 30-06 in a session at the target range for rifle practice.

I also prefer a mini-14 over an AR, for everything but coyote calling. I don't care if I scuff up the plastic on my AR laying real low in the mesquite and the dirt. I try to keep the mini 14 out of all that. I love the wood stocks. I own and enjoy shooting "assault rifles" but I'm really traditional in what I actually prefer to shoot.

I never had a mini-14 but I've always heard their accuracy is pretty bad in comparison to an ar-15. Not "minute of pie plate bad" but "4 inch groups at 100 yards bad". Accurate?


The A-Team used them. They seemed to be unable to hit anything but tires.

www.fjcruiserforums.com
 
2013-01-25 07:07:03 AM

fusillade762: The A-Team used them. They seemed to be unable to hit anything but tires.

[www.fjcruiserforums.com image 720x480]


That's because they pitied the fools ;-)
 
2013-01-25 07:10:18 AM
Millennium
From a tactical standpoint, longarms (a category which includes rifles) don't actually make a lot of sense as something to just carry around. Rifles are intimidating -especially in light of recent traumas- but if you don't know in advance exactly when you're going to need a rifle to be ready, it's way too slow to prepare. A SWAT officer can do that -the nature of their calls pretty much means they need guns out by definition- but for your everyday beat cop, a handgun is a far more practical weapon.


I have personal experience with these officers. The newer generation of officer in this city are willing to use leadshot gloves when questioning (for purposes of intimidation) and invite themselves into private residences for casual calls.
 
2013-01-25 07:12:29 AM
khhsdude,
They are treated like shotguns, kept in a rack or trunk of a squadcar until they are needed.


How do you know this for this city?
 
2013-01-25 07:12:48 AM

NewportBarGuy: NewportBarGuy: Your point?

I thought so, <b>Frank</b>. There is nothing defensible about the AR-15, AK-47, or any other weapon designed primarily for the killing of human beings. "But, it's only single-shot!" Yeah. Wow. You can get the people who know nothing about guns to scratch their head at that, not those who know the weapon.

Three-shot burst vs. no-three-shot-burst... There is no such thing as a fully automatic M4 that is issued to combat MOS in the armed forces that are not SOCOM.

The argument about "machine gun"... total bullsh*t. It's not a "machine gun". SAWs fill that role.

Just yield and move on.


Well, technically all weapons are designed to kill human beings. But I agree with your point.
 
2013-01-25 07:14:37 AM
If people were serious about stopping gun deaths they'd stop going after law abiding gun owners, target gangs, and remove the prohibition of cannabis. Adopt project exile for the gang members and remaining drug dealers and you'd see a dramatic decrease in gun crime. In addition to trying to improve the economy of impoverished areas.


/So Mr. Gangbanger, you like "popping caps" in people with your "gat"... well here's a minimum 10 year sentence before we even talk about other charges. You're no longer welcome in our society.
 
2013-01-25 07:16:41 AM

muck4doo: just_another_asshole/jaa: BronyMedic: just_another_asshole/jaa: When I saw this I thought it would be the Fontana Ca School Police getting AR-15s! It bothers me that so many cops now have these at their disposal, but school cops, are not most school cops rejects from real police forces? Link

If you're talking about college school cops, they're typically trained in the same school that State Police/State Troopers go to, and are considered state employees.

If you're talking about School Resource Officers, they're typically hired specifically for that purpose, or it's a "retirement" type of position given out to officers who only have a few years left till their pension kicks in. SROs are considered a "vacation" duty posting, as they rarely have to do anything physical, and spend most of their time mentoring or setting around relaxing.

If you want rejects, they're the ones typically found handling reports or working in the motor pool.

It is the Fontana Unified school district- high school, middle, elementary, you know the place your children would be going if you lived there, and had/have children!

Does the Fontana School district have a mass murder problem? Or are you being dramatic. Feinstein is there to protect you either way.


No, actually this video from the CBS Evening news says they have never even had a killing at the schools! Link
 
2013-01-25 07:31:12 AM
That's funny, that's the same reason I wanted every gun I've every bought.
 
2013-01-25 07:31:51 AM

violentsalvation: The backdoor registration bothers me, because that has a hint of "oh hey we changed our minds, fork it over". I'd hope legislation allowing private parties to access the NICS would understand that a private sale is not the same as someone who is explicitly in the business of selling firearms


In terms of preventing criminals or mentally unstable from getting guns there is no difference.
 
2013-01-25 07:34:42 AM

Bucky Katt: Di Atribe: Bucky Katt: The city's official motto is "city of 5 seasons". But the Quaker Oats plant downtown puts out some very fascinating smells.

Is one of the smells "cedar" or is it all oatmeal flavors? I might visit if there's a "maple brown sugar" season.

It's all oatmeal smells. The city is sited on the Cedar river.


Not true - there are chicken nugget smells from Tyson too!
 
2013-01-25 07:35:08 AM

Bucky Katt: Frank N Stein: Frank N Stein: whole

derp

did you just derp yourself?


I went blind for a while doing that....
/Technically it *would* put a whole through her skull. A whole bullet.
 
2013-01-25 07:36:04 AM
We live in a nation who's primary military defense strategy is to burn the entire world to a crisp in a giant hail of last stand glory... if you're killin us, we're taking EVERYONE down with us.

.... and then we act like our citizens are crazy when they find comfort in adopting a similar strategy for their own personal/home defense.

I personally think the fact that pushing your fellow man "over the edge" carries the risk of them going postal with a firearm is a fascinating facet of American life... and one that is not without its advantages to society.
 
2013-01-25 07:45:54 AM

Millennium: From a tactical standpoint, longarms (a category which includes rifles) don't actually make a lot of sense as something to just carry around. Rifles are intimidating -especially in light of recent traumas- but if you don't know in advance exactly when you're going to need a rifle to be ready, it's way too slow to prepare. A SWAT officer can do that -the nature of their calls pretty much means they need guns out by definition- but for your everyday beat cop, a handgun is a far more practical weapon.


And it's also practical to have a long gun stored within quick (like two minute) access. Just makes sense if responding where a shooting has occurred, given how much easier it is to shoot an AR-15 than a pistol. An AR is safer because it is so much more accurate and has a much better range, but of course no one (who is reasonable) thinks the police officers would be carrying these AR15s around as they walk around all the time.

A whole lot of anti gun hysteria these days, sadly.

Rifles of all kinds killed like 300 people last year. Fists killed more people.

'If it can save just one life' is always the mantra of those trying to trade freedom and rights for a little security. Be it our Miranda rights or anti gun or whatever else.
 
2013-01-25 07:48:50 AM

liam76: violentsalvation: The backdoor registration bothers me, because that has a hint of "oh hey we changed our minds, fork it over". I'd hope legislation allowing private parties to access the NICS would understand that a private sale is not the same as someone who is explicitly in the business of selling firearms

In terms of preventing criminals or mentally unstable from getting guns there is no difference.


In terms of your privacy, there is a big difference.
You are effectively making public an instant access list of "untrustworthy persons", which is as bad as publicizing the no-fly list depending on how its handled.

Quite a few people will end up having a problem with this when they realize what it could mean.

/and it still doesn't answer the question of why we have a growing problem with mentally unstable people.
/keeping weapons out of their hands may prove to be a poor exchange when compared to what we have to give up.
 
2013-01-25 07:49:43 AM

NewportBarGuy: FEAR them? What the f*ck is the matter with you? They are combat rifles. They are designed to kill people. That is a simple fact. Just because you choose to ignore their design purpose, does not make you any less stupid for asserting their noble qualities.


Isn't that what a cop's sidearms is designed to do? Or any gun for that matter. I have yet to see a fire arm that's designed NOT to kill people.
 
2013-01-25 07:53:43 AM

Frank N Stein:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 772x215] MILITARY RIFLE! WE'RE DOOMED


One, please. I loves me a Sharps rifle.
 
2013-01-25 08:00:41 AM

honk: Frank N Stein:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 772x215] MILITARY RIFLE! WE'RE DOOMED

One, please. I loves me a Sharps rifle.


Ditto

/Paging Mr.Quigley
 
2013-01-25 08:01:53 AM
The Illinois State Police mostly replaced the shotguns in their cars with AR-15s years ago.
 
2013-01-25 08:05:11 AM

Frank N Stein: NewportBarGuy: A rifle that fires 5.56mm, even in single-shot iterations, with a 30-round clip?

5.56 sounds like an overkill. They should carry something in .223


Good fishing, you got a bite right away (one comment in between).
Your first guppy is the kind of person who Democrats are playing up to, ignorant and proud of it.
 
2013-01-25 08:06:58 AM
The officers would be allowed to carry these weapons in their police vehicles once properly trained, and would be only used to neutralize a potential threat kill someone's family member, according to Daugherty.

better, more truthier
 
2013-01-25 08:07:08 AM
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Give 'em a 45/70 Govt and tell 'em "Shut the fark up!"
Really no reason to carry a pussified AR-15 around. Carry a damn man's rifle, wussies.
 
2013-01-25 08:09:10 AM

jso2897: Allow me to piss off both sides of this argument by pointing out that these "assault weapons" are jive-ass toys.
They take a low-powered, innaccurate semi-auto carbine and festoon it up with "military" features that are useless to anyone but a soldier in the field, and sell it for a fat markup.
They have two real functions - to con the dollars out of stupid, macho gun-fappers pockets, and to scare the shiat out of ignorant liberals who don't know anything about guns.
That's all they are especially good for - that and enriching those who make and sell them.

Frankly, I'd be embarrassed to be seen with one of the things - in my mind, they all look like this:
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Have you ever fired anything other than NATO out of an AR-15? Some of the rounds are solid hunting/distant target shooting.
 
2013-01-25 08:14:19 AM
I'm surprised they aren't already. I was at a kid car show and the local cops were there. Flatfoots had ARs in their cruisers. S.W.A.T. guys had M4s.
 
2013-01-25 08:14:25 AM
The next thing you know, they are going to be running around with high caliber "automatic" handguns designed for the sole purpose of killing people.

/not serious. They already have those.
 
2013-01-25 08:14:54 AM

NewportBarGuy: fusillade762: Blame these guys:

Why?

Something that happened 20 years ago in a city with a SWAT unit has what relevance to this debate? None. Your answer is: NONE.

Reload and take aim.


Besides which, had the officers in question been armed with bolt-action .30'06 rifles, they would have made short work of those two. Had they been armed with pretty much any kind of deer rifle, including lever-action .30-30's, they would have been able to stop them sooner.

The problem is that most of the responding police had shotguns in their cars, but no rifles. This put them at a disadvantage in two distinct ways.

First, shotguns have a limited range. If they are firing buckshot, the effective range is actually rather short, perhaps 40 or 50 yards max depending on the choke. Beyond that, you can't guarantee that you'll hit the target with enough buckshot to be effective. Using slugs and putting "ghost ring" sights on the shotgun can extend that range to maybe 75 or at most 100 yards.

Second, most body armor like that used by those two criminals will stop buckshot and slugs. It's much harder to stop a .30'06 FMJ round.

A rifle like that sighted out to 150 yards will give you "point blank" engagement to almost 200 yards.

The slower rate of fire is less a disadvantage then you might think in that sort of engagement. It is better to shoot more slowly but have an effective gun when you have a numbers advantage against your opponent. You're individual lack of "firepower" is made up for in numbers. Hits against the target are much more likely to be effective.

The reverse is actually true if you are a single person, or a handful of people, going up against a large mob, like an LA Riot-type of situation: You want a lot of bullets, and you can sacrifice penetration ability because the people aren't generally wearing armor.
 
2013-01-25 08:15:25 AM
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We need to have these through out our towns and cities, there is no other way to keep safe from all the people with guns.
 
2013-01-25 08:18:09 AM

NewportBarGuy: Frank N Stein: RIFLE! WE'RE DOOMED

I love how you've excluded those with a 30 round clip.

That's not very 'well regulated' of you.


The Garand only accepts 8 round En Bloc "Clips" of 30.06 (or modified ones that hold less) however it does have a bayonet mount, handguard and multiple sling attachment points so it's now illegal in NY. Funny that it scares NY politicians shiatless but they are OK with a single shot .338 Lapua Magnum that will shoot through both sides of an armored limo at 500 yards.
 
2013-01-25 08:18:51 AM
It's only an "assault weapon" when you want to own one. When the government uses them, its called a Personal Defense Weapon
 
2013-01-25 08:18:55 AM

NewportBarGuy: Frank N Stein: But Fark told me that AR-15s were designed for the sole purpose of killing as many people as possible in the quickest amount of time.

Because that is entirely accurate. The AR-15 is designed to put down human beings in short fashion. That is exactly what it was designed for.

Your point?


If that is what the AR-15 is designed for, it fails in comparison to the alternatives.
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2013-01-25 08:23:23 AM

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Yeah like I'd stick my dick in anything that ends in "stein."


I made that mistake once. I was really drunk.
4.bp.blogspot.com

I got it stuck in there, so I had to finish my beer by laying on my back and doing pelvic thrusts over my head.
 
2013-01-25 08:24:33 AM

wildlifer: muck4doo: Fail in Human Form: violentsalvation: muck4doo: violentsalvation: BronyMedic: fusillade762: BronyMedic: There's no cure for stupid this incredible.

Wait... just to be clear, which one of us is stupid? If it's me please feel free to say so. It wouldn't be the first time. Or the last.

Oh, no. I'm talking about NewportBarGuy's insane trolling through this entire thread. Plus his attempt to one-up FLYNAVY.


You're seriously calling him out for arguing with and semi-trolling a drunk guy? Please tell us more about your medical heroics and why your gun-toting counterparts need modern sporting rifles anymore than anyone else, DRIVEAMBULANCE.

I prefer a mini-14 myself to ar-15's. I sold mine several years ago, and now wonder if i can ever buy one again when i get the money. I like them because they are fun and cheap to shoot. Also, you try shooting 100 rounds of 30-06 in a session at the target range for rifle practice.

I also prefer a mini-14 over an AR, for everything but coyote calling. I don't care if I scuff up the plastic on my AR laying real low in the mesquite and the dirt. I try to keep the mini 14 out of all that. I love the wood stocks. I own and enjoy shooting "assault rifles" but I'm really traditional in what I actually prefer to shoot.

I never had a mini-14 but I've always heard their accuracy is pretty bad in comparison to an ar-15. Not "minute of pie plate bad" but "4 inch groups at 100 yards bad". Accurate?

Accurate enough. The CA dept of corrections trusts them enough to arm their watch tower guards with them at their prisons. I liked them because they were simpler than the ar-15. It's the same reason I got a Browning Buck Mark pistol instead of the Ruger, even though both had about the same accuracy, but the Ruger more durability. The Buck Mark is just a lot easier to strip, clean, and take care of. Though I found out the hard way little parts can go wrong, even on the simpler pistol. Had a Glock 22(.40 S&W) for years, never a problem. Fo ...


They have AR-15s in 30-06 now? I thought .308 was the biggest... Hell, I might have to look into one of those puppies.
 
2013-01-25 08:25:21 AM


This is the gun the Iowa police need to feel safe.

www.evike.com
 
2013-01-25 08:28:44 AM

NewportBarGuy: A rifle that fires 5.56mm, even in single-shot iterations, with a 30-round clip? No f*cking need in the world that a beat cop needs that sh*t.

I'd like to prohibit them from even being allowed to buy surplus military equipment.

This is ridiculous.

"If the police department and the police officers think it's necessary I would defer to their judgment," Kim Teneick said.

Go f*ck yourself, Kim.


Nope, not a reason at ALL that patrol officers would need them...

unless.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout

Some how, two guys
for giggles, lets say these two
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were able able to out gun multiple officers with weapons that were better capable for a shootout at a distance then the standard issued hand gun and could simply just out do, out perform and out shoot what every officer had on scene making it so dire that police officers had to literally go to the gun store in order to compete.

But.... that would never happen....

/I for one, would like to welcome this PD to today's day and age were most police departments have been carrying this rifle for quite some time already.
//The action and decision to carry them was for the most part based upon the north Hollywood shootout when police departments across the country realized that they could easily be out gunned on the street and another tool was needed to be able to compete against those who chose to do harm with bigger and better weaponry then a pistol.
 
2013-01-25 08:29:20 AM

dittybopper: an LA Riot-type of situation: You want a lot of bullets, and you can sacrifice penetration ability because the people aren't generally wearing armor.


lol reminds me of that story about the national guard deploying to LA during the riots... squad gets assigned to backup some cops on a shots fired call. Guy is in his house with a shotgun, had fired through the door at the cops when they approached. So lead cop says "OK guys, cover me while I approach the house". Cop almost has a heart attack as gunfire erupts all around him as the soldiers lay waste to the house. As soon as the shooting stops, a shotgun is promptly tossed out the window and the suspect surrenders.

What happened? When cops say "Cover me", they mean to ready your weapon and be prepared to shoot if you have to. In the military, when someone says "cover me", it is interpreted as cover via suppressing fire.

Funny things, words.
 
2013-01-25 08:30:03 AM

NewportBarGuy: Frank N Stein: RIFLE! WE'RE DOOMED

I love how you've excluded those with a 30 round clip.

That's not very 'well regulated' of you.


If you want to start that argument, a proper militia in the modern context would have gun storage safes in their homes in which there would be not a semiautomatic rifle, but a fully selective fire M-16A2 or similar rifle along with a quantity of 30 round clips, ammunition, a combat vest, and other military gear. Members of the militia would be required to meet at least every few months for rifle practice and training, and Congress would be appointing officers to lead them...oh by the way, service would be mandatory unless you have some sort of physical or mental disability or were under or over a certain age. No women allowed, though under current law I think we can now make an exception. Hope you are ready.
 
2013-01-25 08:32:33 AM

Tymast: [images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 180x297]
We need to have these through out our towns and cities, there is no other way to keep safe from all the people with guns.


Buy an Atlas, and you too can see what it feels like to hold the power of the gods in your hands.

If it took more than one shot, you weren't using a Jakobs!

Is shooting bullets just not cool enough for you? Get a Maliwan, and light some people on fire!

my 3 favorite quotes
 
2013-01-25 08:32:45 AM

muck4doo: Fail in Human Form: muck4doo: Had a Glock 22(.40 S&W) for years, n ...

My only gripe about a Glock, and keep in mind I carry my Glock 36 daily, is that you have to get used to the trigger. My accuracy with it was pretty low compared to my other pistols until I got used to it through several range trips.

It comes with practice. You're going to have that long first pull, but if you practice with it, you will learn Glock. After that first heavy long pull, you only have to move your finger forward a little. You will feel a click. It's a hair trigger at that point. If you practice, you will be amazed at the double and triple taps you can do. Triple taps are a waste, doubles work nice. With practice you learn how to place your finger to just about make that second shot almost automatically happen. I say triple taps are a waste because my time with Glock was with model 22(.40 S&W). By the time your third tap came on doing that method the barrel would be pointing about 45 degrees up because of recoil. It's a wasted shot. That might not be the case with the Glock 17, but it was the case I found with the 22. Next time you go to the range, slow fire that first shot. Then slowly let you finger move forward. You will be surprised at how little it needs to go to give you a light and crisp trigger pull on the follow up. Training. Training. Training.


LEOs tyoically have the NYC trigger. Glock actually called it that because they had to make it specifically for them with a higher trigger weight pull. Obstensibly to reduce negligent discharge, it has the side effect of reducing accuracy. Which explains why NYC cops always take out a few innocent bystanders anytime they use their weapon.

If you are buying a civilian model, make sure to research its trigger weight pull and don't buy the LEO model.
 
2013-01-25 08:33:43 AM
Gun 'tards are out early today.
 
2013-01-25 08:33:49 AM

NewportBarGuy: A rifle that fires 5.56mm, even in single-shot iterations, with a 30-round clip? No f*cking need in the world that a beat cop needs that sh*t.

I'd like to prohibit them from even being allowed to buy surplus military equipment.

This is ridiculous.

"If the police department and the police officers think it's necessary I would defer to their judgment," Kim Teneick said.

Go f*ck yourself, Kim.


So as a private Canadian citizen you might disagree with the fact I legaly own an M-14 which fires a 7.62mm round. Tell you what, I will only fire .308 rounds through it instead and I also use clips that are blocked to only hold 5 rounds each.
 
2013-01-25 08:34:00 AM

MikeSass: NewportBarGuy: Frank N Stein: But Fark told me that AR-15s were designed for the sole purpose of killing as many people as possible in the quickest amount of time.

Because that is entirely accurate. The AR-15 is designed to put down human beings in short fashion. That is exactly what it was designed for.

Your point?

If that is what the AR-15 is designed for, it fails in comparison to the alternatives.
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I see your measly truck bomb and raise you one Manhattan Project.

rogerhollander.files.wordpress.com

/humans are, indeed, scumbags
 
2013-01-25 08:36:11 AM

SpectroBoy: This is the gun the Iowa police need to feel safe.

[www.evike.com image 640x391]


Is that a knife or a joystick?
 
2013-01-25 08:37:18 AM

RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: MikeSass: NewportBarGuy: Frank N Stein: But Fark told me that AR-15s were designed for the sole purpose of killing as many people as possible in the quickest amount of time.

Because that is entirely accurate. The AR-15 is designed to put down human beings in short fashion. That is exactly what it was designed for.

Your point?

If that is what the AR-15 is designed for, it fails in comparison to the alternatives.
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I see your measly truck bomb and raise you one Manhattan Project.

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/humans are, indeed, scumbags


If atomic bombs are outlawed, only outlaws will have atomic bombs
 
2013-01-25 08:39:06 AM

randomjsa: AR-15? Wimps.

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Anna sees what you did there.


There is only one counter to your penis replacement:
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Erectdacocky. The ultimate deterrent.


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/Cosplay bonus
 
2013-01-25 08:40:17 AM

henryhill: Gun 'tards are out early today.


No choice. Control freaks never sleep.
 
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