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2013-01-24 11:49:21 PM  
That's incredibly idiotic. But, whatever.
 
2013-01-24 11:56:31 PM  
patrol rifles

LOL. When a sniveling citizen wants one they're "military-style assault weapons." When cops want them they're "patrol rifles." Bunch of Orwellian horseshiat.
 
2013-01-24 11:57:27 PM  
"The new guns will ultimately be paid for by the officers themselves who are taking a deduction in their paychecks to make this happen."

Something smells fishy about that.
 
2013-01-24 11:57:50 PM  
Around here, it's a given that every sheriff's vehicle carries an AR

/ the reason they need them is all the delusional f*ckwits who rush out to buy them every time they think their precious right to blow the f*ck out of things is threatened
 
2013-01-25 12:02:48 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Around here, it's a given that every sheriff's vehicle carries an AR

/ the reason they need them is all the delusional f*ckwits who rush out to buy them every time they think their precious right to blow the f*ck out of things is threatened


Or to shoot dogs and murder people in no-knock drug raids.
 
2013-01-25 12:02:49 AM  
In light of all the horrible arsons last summer, maybe flame throwers in the trunk would be a good call too.
 
2013-01-25 12:03:30 AM  
AR-15s put the neighborhood dogs down quickly.  It's what every LEO needs.
 
2013-01-25 12:07:49 AM  

Fark It: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Around here, it's a given that every sheriff's vehicle carries an AR

/ the reason they need them is all the delusional f*ckwits who rush out to buy them every time they think their precious right to blow the f*ck out of things is threatened

Or to shoot dogs and murder people in no-knock drug raids.


Well, yeah... that, too
 
2013-01-25 12:11:34 AM  
A rifle that fires 5.56mm, even in single-shot iterations, with a 30-round clip? No f*cking need in the world that a beat cop needs that sh*t.

I'd like to prohibit them from even being allowed to buy surplus military equipment.

This is ridiculous.

"If the police department and the police officers think it's necessary I would defer to their judgment," Kim Teneick said.

Go f*ck yourself, Kim.
 
2013-01-25 12:29:14 AM  

NewportBarGuy: A rifle that fires 5.56mm, even in single-shot iterations, with a 30-round clip? No f*cking need in the world that a beat cop needs that sh*t.

I'd like to prohibit them from even being allowed to buy surplus military equipment.

This is ridiculous.

"If the police department and the police officers think it's necessary I would defer to their judgment," Kim Teneick said.

Go f*ck yourself, Kim.


Blame these guys:

24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-01-25 12:30:27 AM  
But Fark told me that AR-15s were designed for the sole purpose of killing as many people as possible in the quickest amount of time.
 
2013-01-25 12:31:09 AM  

fusillade762: Blame these guys:


Why?

Something that happened 20 years ago in a city with a SWAT unit has what relevance to this debate? None. Your answer is: NONE.

Reload and take aim.
 
2013-01-25 12:31:14 AM  
Iowa, just the place you need to go toe to toe with militarized Mexican gangs.
 
2013-01-25 12:31:54 AM  

NewportBarGuy: A rifle that fires 5.56mm, even in single-shot iterations, with a 30-round clip?


5.56 sounds like an overkill. They should carry something in .223
 
2013-01-25 12:32:20 AM  

Frank N Stein: But Fark told me that AR-15s were designed for the sole purpose of killing as many people as possible in the quickest amount of time.


Because that is entirely accurate. The AR-15 is designed to put down human beings in short fashion. That is exactly what it was designed for.

Your point?
 
2013-01-25 12:33:09 AM  

Frank N Stein: NewportBarGuy: A rifle that fires 5.56mm, even in single-shot iterations, with a 30-round clip?

5.56 sounds like an overkill. They should carry something in .223


That's cute. Let's see what it does to the skull of an 8-year-old.
 
2013-01-25 12:37:19 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Because that is entirely accurate. The AR-15 is designed to put down human beings in short fashion. That is exactly what it was designed for.

Your point?


You think a cop's sidearm is used to look cool or something?

NewportBarGuy: That's cute. Let's see what it does to the skull of an 8-year-old.


It's probably put a whole through the skull, just like any other round.

Your point?
 
2013-01-25 12:37:57 AM  

Frank N Stein: whole


derp
 
2013-01-25 12:37:58 AM  
Is this just for the SWAT team? I thought SWAT teams were already pretty heavily armed.

/Did you know that Cedar Rapids is the "City of Five Smells"?
 
2013-01-25 12:39:30 AM  

Frank N Stein: Frank N Stein: whole

derp


did you just derp yourself?
 
2013-01-25 12:39:38 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Frank N Stein: NewportBarGuy: A rifle that fires 5.56mm, even in single-shot iterations, with a 30-round clip?

5.56 sounds like an overkill. They should carry something in .223

That's cute. Let's see what it does to the skull of an 8-year-old.


Do you want to be the one to tell him that 5.56 and .223 are essentially the same thing, or should I do it?
 
2013-01-25 12:41:33 AM  

Bucky Katt: Frank N Stein: Frank N Stein: whole

derp

did you just derp yourself?


You bet your ass I did.

King Something: NewportBarGuy: Frank N Stein: NewportBarGuy: A rifle that fires 5.56mm, even in single-shot iterations, with a 30-round clip?

5.56 sounds like an overkill. They should carry something in .223

That's cute. Let's see what it does to the skull of an 8-year-old.

Do you want to be the one to tell him that 5.56 and .223 are essentially the same thing, or should I do it?


static.prtst.net
 
2013-01-25 12:41:40 AM  
We're already well on our way to 3rd world country status.  Why not arm the police like we are and just cut to the chase?
 
2013-01-25 12:42:25 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Your point?


I thought so, <b>Frank</b>. There is nothing defensible about the AR-15, AK-47, or any other weapon designed primarily for the killing of human beings. "But, it's only single-shot!" Yeah. Wow. You can get the people who know nothing about guns to scratch their head at that, not those who know the weapon.

Three-shot burst vs. no-three-shot-burst... There is no such thing as a fully automatic M4 that is issued to combat MOS in the armed forces that are not SOCOM.

The argument about "machine gun"... total bullsh*t. It's not a "machine gun". SAWs fill that role.

Just yield and move on.
 
2013-01-25 12:43:08 AM  
If the good responsible gun owners of America can have them, then why not the cops?


Bucky Katt: /Did you know that Cedar Rapids is the "City of Five Smells"?


I did not, but now I'm curious.
 
2013-01-25 12:43:52 AM  

NewportBarGuy: NewportBarGuy: Your point?

I thought so, <b>Frank</b>. There is nothing defensible about the AR-15, AK-47, or any other weapon designed primarily for the killing of human beings. "But, it's only single-shot!" Yeah. Wow. You can get the people who know nothing about guns to scratch their head at that, not those who know the weapon.

Three-shot burst vs. no-three-shot-burst... There is no such thing as a fully automatic M4 that is issued to combat MOS in the armed forces that are not SOCOM.

The argument about "machine gun"... total bullsh*t. It's not a "machine gun". SAWs fill that role.

Just yield and move on.


You don't even know what single shot means.
 
2013-01-25 12:44:51 AM  

Di Atribe: If the good responsible gun owners of America can have them, then why not the cops?


Bucky Katt: /Did you know that Cedar Rapids is the "City of Five Smells"?

I did not, but now I'm curious.


The city's official motto is "city of 5 seasons". But the Quaker Oats plant downtown puts out some very fascinating smells.
 
2013-01-25 12:45:28 AM  

Frank N Stein: You think a cop's sidearm is used to look cool or something?


Clever. No. I know all of the semantics of the "debate". Frankly, I'm sick of it. If they outlaw it, I'll gladly give up my AR-15. There really is no need for me to own one.
 
2013-01-25 12:47:30 AM  

Bucky Katt: The city's official motto is "city of 5 seasons". But the Quaker Oats plant downtown puts out some very fascinating smells.


Is one of the smells "cedar" or is it all oatmeal flavors? I might visit if there's a "maple brown sugar" season.
 
2013-01-25 12:48:04 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Frank N Stein: You think a cop's sidearm is used to look cool or something?

Clever. No. I know all of the semantics of the "debate". Frankly, I'm sick of it. If they outlaw it, I'll gladly give up my AR-15. There really is no need for me to own one.


You don't own an AR-15.

And a picture of you posing with your friend's airsoft gun isn't going to change that.
 
2013-01-25 12:48:26 AM  

Frank N Stein: You don't even know what single shot means.


Yes, of course not. It means musket, right? Semantics. You are the King of Semantics.

Semi/Burst.

Jesus.
 
2013-01-25 12:49:45 AM  

Frank N Stein: You don't own an AR-15.


Nope. I'm just a sh*t talker.

Carry on like you own the place.
 
2013-01-25 12:50:30 AM  

Di Atribe: Bucky Katt: The city's official motto is "city of 5 seasons". But the Quaker Oats plant downtown puts out some very fascinating smells.

Is one of the smells "cedar" or is it all oatmeal flavors? I might visit if there's a "maple brown sugar" season.


It's all oatmeal smells. The city is sited on the Cedar river.
 
2013-01-25 12:52:02 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Semi/Burst.

Jesus.


NewportBarGuy: Nope. I'm just a sh*t talker.

Carry on like you own the place.


Don't get your Jamies Wrangled. I understand you fear black rifles. It's because their black, isn't it?
 
2013-01-25 12:56:11 AM  

Frank N Stein: NewportBarGuy: Semi/Burst.

Jesus.

NewportBarGuy: Nope. I'm just a sh*t talker.

Carry on like you own the place.

Don't get your Jamies Wrangled. I understand you fear black rifles. It's because their black, isn't it?


Hits keep on coming with my grammar. Time for bed, maybe.
 
2013-01-25 12:56:57 AM  

Frank N Stein: Don't get your Jamies Wrangled. I understand you fear black rifles. It's because their black, isn't it?



FEAR them? What the f*ck is the matter with you? They are combat rifles. They are designed to kill people. That is a simple fact. Just because you choose to ignore their design purpose, does not make you any less stupid for asserting their noble qualities.

If you need a rifle with a 30 round clip to go hunting, there are two reasons why:

1) You are a sh*t shot.
2) You harbor fantasies of a world collapse, invest in gold, listen to Glenn Beck, and want to overthrow they tyrannical government,

In short, idiotic.
 
2013-01-25 01:02:56 AM  

NewportBarGuy: FEAR them? What the f*ck is the matter with you? They are combat rifles.


If AR-15s are combat rifles, how come the military uses M-16s and polices use AR-15s?

NewportBarGuy: They are designed to kill people.


Most guns are. I mean, I can't name a gun designed to shoot hugs and kisses at hundreds of feet per second. Can you?

NewportBarGuy: If you need a rifle with a 30 round clip to go hunting, there are two reasons why:

1) You are a sh*t shot.


Well, most people that go hunting don't use an AR-15 with 30 round clip magazine, as it's against the law (varies state by state). Although there are high volume hunts, such as varmint hunting, in which it's legal and useful to use a 30 round clip magazine

NewportBarGuy: 2) You harbor fantasies of a world collapse, invest in gold, listen to Glenn Beck, and want to overthrow they tyrannical government,


Or it's fun to shoot, a good home defense weapon, or any other legal uses
 
2013-01-25 01:04:43 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Frank N Stein: Don't get your Jamies Wrangled. I understand you fear black rifles. It's because their black, isn't it?


FEAR them? What the f*ck is the matter with you? They are combat rifles. They are designed to kill people. That is a simple fact. Just because you choose to ignore their design purpose, does not make you any less stupid for asserting their noble qualities.

If you need a rifle with a 30 round clip to go hunting, there are two reasons why:

1) You are a sh*t shot.
2) You harbor fantasies of a world collapse, invest in gold, listen to Glenn Beck, and want to overthrow they tyrannical government,

In short, idiotic.


You have obviously never attempted to bring down a full grown bull rat in full gallop across the face of an open landfill, sir
 
2013-01-25 01:09:21 AM  

Frank N Stein: Most guns are. I mean, I can't name a gun designed to shoot hugs and kisses at hundreds of feet per second. Can you?


Actually, I can. So can you. Every other rifle not designed with express intent for use in an armed force.

Perhaps you fail to see the distinction.

Every BULLET kills. Every rifle is designed for a purpose.

Keep playing semantics. It's all you have.
 
2013-01-25 01:13:03 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Actually, I can. So can you. Every other rifle not designed with express intent for use in an armed force.


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2013-01-25 01:18:32 AM  

Frank N Stein: RIFLE! WE'RE DOOMED


I love how you've excluded those with a 30 round clip.

That's not very 'well regulated' of you.
 
2013-01-25 01:19:44 AM  
So, you think we live in the 19th Century?

GOOD FOR YOU!
 
2013-01-25 01:19:48 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Frank N Stein: You think a cop's sidearm is used to look cool or something?

Clever. No. I know all of the semantics of the "debate". Frankly, I'm sick of it. If they outlaw it, I'll gladly give up my AR-15. There really is no need for me to own one.


The semantics and vernacular of the debate, while pedantic at times, serve to illustrate who can articulate what they want to ban, and why. As they should be well versed on the topic, lest the come off sounding somewhat as stupid as say, ol' legitimate-rape Todd Aiken. Now I know you know what you are talking about regarding guns, and I respect your educated opinions even though I don't share them. But frankly, I'm sick of the ignorance that we see in these debates.
 
2013-01-25 01:21:26 AM  

NewportBarGuy: I love how you've excluded those with a 30 round clip.

That's not very 'well regulated' of you.


General issue rifle uses a 30 round clip?
 
2013-01-25 01:25:47 AM  
 
2013-01-25 01:28:34 AM  

violentsalvation: ut frankly, I'm sick of the ignorance that we see in these debates.


I don't even share my own opinions. I would like to keep my AR-15, but Cletus here is making absurd arguments. I resign myself to the lowest point, and am surprised when they don't come knocking at my door.

I know that I'll be able to keep what I own currently. I remember, and the politicians remember what happened the last time they 'took' guns. This is a ridiculous argument.

All sales, private and public should be run through NICS. If they do just that, I'm happy. Any responsible gun owner should want that,
 
2013-01-25 01:30:33 AM  

NewportBarGuy: I would like to keep my AR-15


Okay.
 
2013-01-25 01:31:27 AM  

fusillade762: The ineffectiveness of the pistol rounds and shotgun pellets in penetrating the robbers' body armor led to a trend in the United States toward arming selected police patrol officers with semi-automatic 5.56 mm AR-15 type rifles.[16] Seven months after the incident, the Department of Defense gave 600 surplus M16s to the LAPD, which were issued to each patrol sergeant;[32] other cities, such as Miami, also moved to supply patrol officers, not just SWAT teams, with heavier firepower.[33]



As I've said. "Selected".... Your point? You had one?
 
2013-01-25 01:32:44 AM  

Frank N Stein: NewportBarGuy: I would like to keep my AR-15

Okay.


But I'm perfectly fine with giving it up if it meant people like you were not legally allowed to own the same.
 
2013-01-25 01:34:24 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Frank N Stein: NewportBarGuy: I would like to keep my AR-15

Okay.

But I'm perfectly fine with giving it up if it meant people like you were not legally allowed to own the same.


Why not just sell your fake rifle now? You can get a lot of money from the panic buyers.
 
2013-01-25 01:37:46 AM  

Frank N Stein: Why not just sell your fake rifle now? You can get a lot of money from the panic buyers.


You're a peach. I'm sorry you can't figure sh*t out. I'm sorry I'm not sorry.

Motorboat.

Because it's still legal to own the rifle I'm most proficient with. If tomorrow it was made illegal and I had to turn it in, I would.
 
2013-01-25 01:42:11 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Frank N Stein: Why not just sell your fake rifle now? You can get a lot of money from the panic buyers.

You're a peach. I'm sorry you can't figure sh*t out. I'm sorry I'm not sorry.

Motorboat.

Because it's still legal to own the rifle I'm most proficient with. If tomorrow it was made illegal and I had to turn it in, I would.


You don't know what single shot is and you call a magazine a clip. You ain't proficient in shiat.
 
2013-01-25 01:44:38 AM  

NewportBarGuy: violentsalvation: ut frankly, I'm sick of the ignorance that we see in these debates.

I don't even share my own opinions. I would like to keep my AR-15, but Cletus here is making absurd arguments. I resign myself to the lowest point, and am surprised when they don't come knocking at my door.

I know that I'll be able to keep what I own currently. I remember, and the politicians remember what happened the last time they 'took' guns. This is a ridiculous argument.

All sales, private and public should be run through NICS. If they do just that, I'm happy. Any responsible gun owner should want that,


I could get on board with that, as long as the expanded NICS isn't going to be some ridiculous hindrance to private party sales with a 30 day backlog or anything.

There are other ideas but they are shouted down, I guess for simply accepting the reality of the situation and not being idealistic enough. I'd like a tax credit considered for purchasers of approved and properly installed gun safes. Or at least I'd like to talk about it and hear other ideas other than my penis is small. But that's how these debates go.
 
2013-01-25 01:45:24 AM  

Frank N Stein: You don't know what single shot is and you call a magazine a clip. You ain't proficient in shiat.


Semantics, as I've stated.

Single-round down range per trigger pull... Single-shot.

Magazine... what you subscribe to.
 
2013-01-25 01:51:47 AM  
Oh, my God! self-loading rifles are sooooo scary.
 
2013-01-25 01:53:33 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Frank N Stein: You don't know what single shot is and you call a magazine a clip. You ain't proficient in shiat.

Semantics, as I've stated.

Single-round down range per trigger pull... Single-shot.

Magazine... what you subscribe to.


To bring the civility up a bit, I'll say this:

What you brush off as merely "semantics", I believe to be important details when discussing a law of any sorts, especially ones with constitutional implications. Now this being Fark, I understand that our little comments have no real weight on the issue. However, when I hear inaccurate representation of mechanics and terminology, I (and many others) tend to give that person less credit on the subject.

You're profile I see says that you were a cavalry scout. This being the internet and all, I take that with a grain of salt. Nothing against you personally, and I'm not call you a liar, but that's just how it goes with ANY unverified claim on the internet (think RE:RE:RE:RE OBAMA BORN ON THE MOON). Now, assuming you claim is true, you know the terminology and mechanics. In that case, you're just intentionally being obtuse.
 
2013-01-25 01:55:19 AM  

borg: Oh, my God! self-loading rifles are sooooo scary.


Sounds too close to self-aware rifles. Better not chance it.
 
2013-01-25 01:58:09 AM  

Frank N Stein: constitutional implications.


Blacks were 3/5ths a person. Women had no vote.

Preach to me again about the import of that f*cking piece of paper.
 
2013-01-25 02:03:07 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Frank N Stein: constitutional implications.

Blacks were 3/5ths a person. Women had no vote.

Preach to me again about the import of that f*cking piece of paper.


"There was slavery 150 years ago, therefore the federal government should be able to institute an official religion"

Cool argument, bro.
 
2013-01-25 02:04:03 AM  

Frank N Stein: I take that with a grain of salt.


Take it however you like it. I honestly don't care. Long past the point of caring what a jackass like you thinks. NO! You will not maintain the status quo. Your best bet is to compromise and let them have a win. If history is an indicator, the new rules/regs will fall apart in 2-4 years.

Relax.
 
2013-01-25 02:04:46 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Frank N Stein: constitutional implications.

Blacks were 3/5ths a person. Women had no vote.

Preach to me again about the import of that f*cking piece of paper.


You tell us, soldier, you're the one who swore an oath to protect and defend it with your life.

Unless you're lying about that too.
 
2013-01-25 02:05:49 AM  

Frank N Stein: "There was slavery 150 years ago, therefore the federal government should be able to institute an official religion"


Because I said that... right? Nope. Jackass.
 
2013-01-25 02:07:31 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Frank N Stein: "There was slavery 150 years ago, therefore the federal government should be able to institute an official religion"

Because I said that... right? Nope. Jackass.


No, but that argument is just as valid as yours.
 
2013-01-25 02:09:09 AM  

Fark It: You tell us, soldier, you're the one who swore an oath to protect and defend it with your life.

Unless you're lying about that too.


What the f*ck? I now work for the Veterans Administration making sure vets get their medications. Disabled vets like myself. Making sure we take care of those we sent into battle, their widow, orphans...

Go f*ck yourself.
 
2013-01-25 02:14:48 AM  

Frank N Stein: No, but that argument is just as valid as yours.


I'm sorry that you fail at the English language.
 
2013-01-25 02:37:45 AM  
NewportBarGuy:

I am only saying this because I care - there are a lot of decaffeinated brands on the market today that are just as tasty as the real thing.
 
2013-01-25 02:38:42 AM  
NewportBarGuy
Frank N Stein: constitutional implications.

Blacks were 3/5ths a person. Women had no vote.

Preach to me again about the import of that f*cking piece of paper.


Can you point to me which amendment in the Bill of Rights said "women not being allowed to vote shall not be infringed," and "the upgrading of darkies from 3/5ths a person to one whole shall not be undertook?"
 
2013-01-25 02:39:39 AM  
Hey pigs can have small dicks too.
 
2013-01-25 02:42:55 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Frank N Stein: RIFLE! WE'RE DOOMED

I love how you've excluded those with a 30 round clip.

That's not very 'well regulated' of you.


Do you want my "evil assault" M1 Carbine (it shoots .30 carbine..basically a pistol round) banned also?

/Feinstein does
//I'd mention my SAR-1 but it's banned by name on her newest proposal so I know where you stand on that
 
2013-01-25 02:43:47 AM  
Marion Iowa PD is the home of hyper-vigilant police who see their job as not just patroling, but as para-military.

Some of the young officer will actually provoke if it will get arrests.

They don't patrol, they professionally lurk.

I don't disagree with officers carrying heavier rifles in their truck, but some of the officers in this dept will find a way to legally abuse this.
 
2013-01-25 02:45:03 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: "The new guns will ultimately be paid for by the officers themselves who are taking a deduction in their paychecks to make this happen."

Something smells fishy about that.


And dangerous.

Screw over a teacher, you get protests. Screw over a cop, you get revolutions.
 
2013-01-25 02:45:35 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Fark It: You tell us, soldier, you're the one who swore an oath to protect and defend it with your life.

Unless you're lying about that too.

What the f*ck? I now work for the Veterans Administration making sure vets get their medications. Disabled vets like myself. Making sure we take care of those we sent into battle, their widow, orphans...

Go f*ck yourself.


You need someone to make sure YOU get your meds, You seem off your rocker dude.
 
2013-01-25 02:49:02 AM  
IlGreven,
BarkingUnicorn: "The new guns will ultimately be paid for by the officers themselves who are taking a deduction in their paychecks to make this happen."
Something smells fishy about that.


You need to know that they finance their toys through creative law enforcement. Sometimes following drivers one or two yards behind the car they are tailing, sometime escalating incidents. This will not be free.
 
2013-01-25 02:53:50 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: "The new guns will ultimately be paid for by the officers themselves who are taking a deduction in their paychecks to make this happen."

Something smells fishy about that.


shawshankfiles.files.wordpress.com

Well you see, that's deductible...
 
2013-01-25 02:54:13 AM  

Fark It: LOL. When a sniveling citizen wants one they're "military-style assault weapons." When cops want them they're "patrol rifles." Bunch of Orwellian horseshiat.


Personally I want to take assault riffles and other military style hardware away from both the nutters and the cops.
 
2013-01-25 02:55:46 AM  
tacos813 SmartestFunniest 2013-01-25 02:45:35 AM


NewportBarGuy: Fark It: You tell us, soldier, you're the one who swore an oath to protect and defend it with your life.

Unless you're lying about that too.

What the f*ck? I now work for the Veterans Administration making sure vets get their medications. Disabled vets like myself. Making sure we take care of those we sent into battle, their widow, orphans...

Go f*ck yourself.

You need someone to make sure YOU get your meds, You seem off your rocker dude.


Actually, the last thing he needs is meds. There are some studies that keep getting buried because large pharm companies dont want this shiat getting out, but a LOT of those psych drugs, especially Prozac, cause violent reactions. I'm afraid that as "mental health" is pushed more in an effort to curb these events, it will only cause more as we know what "mental health" means in the US. Getting you hooked on pills
 
2013-01-25 02:56:53 AM  

gibbon1: Fark It: LOL. When a sniveling citizen wants one they're "military-style assault weapons." When cops want them they're "patrol rifles." Bunch of Orwellian horseshiat.

Personally I want to take assault riffles and other military style hardware away from both the nutters and the cops.


Sadly sometimes they're one and the same.
 
2013-01-25 03:00:11 AM  
Funny thread.
 
2013-01-25 03:00:37 AM  

NewportBarGuy: fusillade762: Blame these guys:

Why?

Something that happened 20 years ago in a city with a SWAT unit has what relevance to this debate? None. Your answer is: NONE.

Reload and take aim.


There's no cure for stupid this incredible.
 
2013-01-25 03:02:07 AM  

violentsalvation: NewportBarGuy: violentsalvation: ut frankly, I'm sick of the ignorance that we see in these debates.

I don't even share my own opinions. I would like to keep my AR-15, but Cletus here is making absurd arguments. I resign myself to the lowest point, and am surprised when they don't come knocking at my door.

I know that I'll be able to keep what I own currently. I remember, and the politicians remember what happened the last time they 'took' guns. This is a ridiculous argument.

All sales, private and public should be run through NICS. If they do just that, I'm happy. Any responsible gun owner should want that,

I could get on board with that, as long as the expanded NICS isn't going to be some ridiculous hindrance to private party sales with a 30 day backlog or anything.

There are other ideas but they are shouted down, I guess for simply accepting the reality of the situation and not being idealistic enough. I'd like a tax credit considered for purchasers of approved and properly installed gun safes. Or at least I'd like to talk about it and hear other ideas other than my penis is small. But that's how these debates go.


Funny thing, did you know that if more than 10 firearms backtracked by law enforcement, the FFL that sold those firearms has to give the ATF the personal information, and records of sale of every single person that have dealt with to the ATF? Now imagine if every private sale had to go through a FFL? It's backdoor registration.
 
2013-01-25 03:02:11 AM  

Fail in Human Form: Do you want my "evil assault" M1 Carbine (it shoots .30 carbine..basically a pistol round) banned also?


Ooooh. Folding Para-stock or original wood stock?

Inquiring minds want to know.

/M1 Carbine owner.
//The ammo is expensive as shiat.
 
2013-01-25 03:05:41 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Fark It: You tell us, soldier, you're the one who swore an oath to protect and defend it with your life.

Unless you're lying about that too.

What the f*ck? I now work for the Veterans Administration making sure vets get their medications. Disabled vets like myself. Making sure we take care of those we sent into battle, their widow, orphans...

Go f*ck yourself.


What was your MOS? Where did you do basic and what year did you do it? What was your first duty station?

What is MEPS?

Are you a naval aviator?

i23.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-25 03:06:17 AM  
I used to bullseye womp rats with my AR-15 back home, they're not much bigger than two meters.
 
2013-01-25 03:06:58 AM  
I need to add that these things stay in the trunks until there is a reason to pull them into domestic disturbances with slings being carried on the back.

The Marion PD does use 'sap gloves'.
 
2013-01-25 03:07:00 AM  

violentsalvation: NewportBarGuy: violentsalvation: ut frankly, I'm sick of the ignorance that we see in these debates.

I don't even share my own opinions. I would like to keep my AR-15, but Cletus here is making absurd arguments. I resign myself to the lowest point, and am surprised when they don't come knocking at my door.

I know that I'll be able to keep what I own currently. I remember, and the politicians remember what happened the last time they 'took' guns. This is a ridiculous argument.

All sales, private and public should be run through NICS. If they do just that, I'm happy. Any responsible gun owner should want that,

I could get on board with that, as long as the expanded NICS isn't going to be some ridiculous hindrance to private party sales with a 30 day backlog or anything.

There are other ideas but they are shouted down, I guess for simply accepting the reality of the situation and not being idealistic enough. I'd like a tax credit considered for purchasers of approved and properly installed gun safes. Or at least I'd like to talk about it and hear other ideas other than my penis is small. But that's how these debates go.


Have you considered penis enlargement surgery? That would have a 0% chance of butchering 26 kindergarteners.
 
2013-01-25 03:08:22 AM  

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: violentsalvation: NewportBarGuy: violentsalvation: ut frankly, I'm sick of the ignorance that we see in these debates.

I don't even share my own opinions. I would like to keep my AR-15, but Cletus here is making absurd arguments. I resign myself to the lowest point, and am surprised when they don't come knocking at my door.

I know that I'll be able to keep what I own currently. I remember, and the politicians remember what happened the last time they 'took' guns. This is a ridiculous argument.

All sales, private and public should be run through NICS. If they do just that, I'm happy. Any responsible gun owner should want that,

I could get on board with that, as long as the expanded NICS isn't going to be some ridiculous hindrance to private party sales with a 30 day backlog or anything.

There are other ideas but they are shouted down, I guess for simply accepting the reality of the situation and not being idealistic enough. I'd like a tax credit considered for purchasers of approved and properly installed gun safes. Or at least I'd like to talk about it and hear other ideas other than my penis is small. But that's how these debates go.

Have you considered penis enlargement surgery? That would have a 0% chance of butchering 26 kindergarteners.


It must be nice dancing on the graves on children. Tell me, are you also wearing cleats?
 
2013-01-25 03:09:24 AM  
Whatever. Seattle PD sometimes carry AR-15s in their cars. Or even on their cars.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-25 03:10:32 AM  

GUTSU: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: violentsalvation: NewportBarGuy: violentsalvation: ut frankly, I'm sick of the ignorance that we see in these debates.

I don't even share my own opinions. I would like to keep my AR-15, but Cletus here is making absurd arguments. I resign myself to the lowest point, and am surprised when they don't come knocking at my door.

I know that I'll be able to keep what I own currently. I remember, and the politicians remember what happened the last time they 'took' guns. This is a ridiculous argument.

All sales, private and public should be run through NICS. If they do just that, I'm happy. Any responsible gun owner should want that,

I could get on board with that, as long as the expanded NICS isn't going to be some ridiculous hindrance to private party sales with a 30 day backlog or anything.

There are other ideas but they are shouted down, I guess for simply accepting the reality of the situation and not being idealistic enough. I'd like a tax credit considered for purchasers of approved and properly installed gun safes. Or at least I'd like to talk about it and hear other ideas other than my penis is small. But that's how these debates go.

Have you considered penis enlargement surgery? That would have a 0% chance of butchering 26 kindergarteners.

It must be nice dancing on the graves on children. Tell me, are you also wearing cleats?


s3.amazonaws.com
 
2013-01-25 03:12:01 AM  

Fail in Human Form: NewportBarGuy: Frank N Stein: RIFLE! WE'RE DOOMED

I love how you've excluded those with a 30 round clip.

That's not very 'well regulated' of you.

Do you want my "evil assault" M1 Carbine (it shoots .30 carbine..basically a pistol round) banned also?

/Feinstein does
//I'd mention my SAR-1 but it's banned by name on her newest proposal so I know where you stand on that


I saw a list today and the M1 carbine wasn't on it.

It occured to me today that Feinstein wants to make military style rifles so rare we will mainly see them on movie screens, TV shows and video games, and they would cause less deaths than back yard pools. Hey, mission accomplished!
 
2013-01-25 03:12:22 AM  

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Have you considered penis enlargement surgery? That would have a 0% chance of butchering 26 kindergarteners.


To be fair, 26 children means a LOT of blood, and some ammunition is cheap. Have you SEEN the cost of interior red paint lately? It's outrageous. I can't afford sacrifices to the Lord God Slanaash with paint anymore, and he's getting a bit pissy lately about it. Animals just aren't cutting it for him anymore, man.

Personally, using rock salt loads in a 410 brings him the most pleasure. I think it's those screams. Like the seagulls on a beach in the morning as the tide receeds. Especially if you aim for the chest or abdomen.
i15.tinypic.com
 
2013-01-25 03:12:25 AM  

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: violentsalvation: NewportBarGuy: violentsalvation: ut frankly, I'm sick of the ignorance that we see in these debates.

I don't even share my own opinions. I would like to keep my AR-15, but Cletus here is making absurd arguments. I resign myself to the lowest point, and am surprised when they don't come knocking at my door.

I know that I'll be able to keep what I own currently. I remember, and the politicians remember what happened the last time they 'took' guns. This is a ridiculous argument.

All sales, private and public should be run through NICS. If they do just that, I'm happy. Any responsible gun owner should want that,

I could get on board with that, as long as the expanded NICS isn't going to be some ridiculous hindrance to private party sales with a 30 day backlog or anything.

There are other ideas but they are shouted down, I guess for simply accepting the reality of the situation and not being idealistic enough. I'd like a tax credit considered for purchasers of approved and properly installed gun safes. Or at least I'd like to talk about it and hear other ideas other than my penis is small. But that's how these debates go.

Have you considered penis enlargement surgery? That would have a 0% chance of butchering 26 kindergarteners.


Thank you for fulfilling the requisite gun thread penis comment. You help save children with that, you really do.
 
2013-01-25 03:13:41 AM  
The AR-15 appears nowhere in the constitution.

FACT!
 
2013-01-25 03:13:47 AM  

BronyMedic: There's no cure for stupid this incredible.


Wait... just to be clear, which one of us is stupid? If it's me please feel free to say so. It wouldn't be the first time. Or the last.
 
2013-01-25 03:15:03 AM  

fusillade762: BronyMedic: There's no cure for stupid this incredible.

Wait... just to be clear, which one of us is stupid? If it's me please feel free to say so. It wouldn't be the first time. Or the last.


Oh, no. I'm talking about NewportBarGuy's insane trolling through this entire thread. Plus his attempt to one-up FLYNAVY.
 
2013-01-25 03:15:29 AM  
FTA: The officers would be allowed to carry these weapons in their police vehicles once properly trained, and would be only used to neutralize a potential threat, according to Daugherty.

So what the hell have they been using their sidearm for all these years?!
 
2013-01-25 03:17:42 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Go f*ck yourself.


Most convincing argument I've seen in a while.
 
2013-01-25 03:18:48 AM  

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: GUTSU:
It must be nice dancing on the graves on children. Tell me, are you also wearing cleats?

[s3.amazonaws.com image 300x168]


Keep jerkin' it to the dead kids, I'm sure you and Feinstein would make a good couple.
 
2013-01-25 03:19:05 AM  
America lost itself when the war on drugs turned peace officers into law enforcement officers. The war on terror has just accelerated our demise.

I'm willing to turn in my AR if the Cops do the same. That is my gun owner compromise. Yeah, never gonna happen, we are farked.
 
2013-01-25 03:21:10 AM  

Public Savant: FTA: The officers would be allowed to carry these weapons in their police vehicles once properly trained, and would be only used to neutralize a potential threat, according to Daugherty.

So what the hell have they been using their sidearm for all these years?!


Yeah, why would patrolmen need assault rifles, anyway? (Video NSFW, shows cops getting ambushed and murdered) I mean, they'd never need a reason to use them, right? (Video NSFW, shows cops getting ambushed and shot, and bad-ass gamewarden fu with an M4 rifle.)

/West Memphis, 2010.
 
2013-01-25 03:21:19 AM  

GUTSU: violentsalvation: NewportBarGuy: violentsalvation: ut frankly, I'm sick of the ignorance that we see in these debates.

I don't even share my own opinions. I would like to keep my AR-15, but Cletus here is making absurd arguments. I resign myself to the lowest point, and am surprised when they don't come knocking at my door.

I know that I'll be able to keep what I own currently. I remember, and the politicians remember what happened the last time they 'took' guns. This is a ridiculous argument.

All sales, private and public should be run through NICS. If they do just that, I'm happy. Any responsible gun owner should want that,

I could get on board with that, as long as the expanded NICS isn't going to be some ridiculous hindrance to private party sales with a 30 day backlog or anything.

There are other ideas but they are shouted down, I guess for simply accepting the reality of the situation and not being idealistic enough. I'd like a tax credit considered for purchasers of approved and properly installed gun safes. Or at least I'd like to talk about it and hear other ideas other than my penis is small. But that's how these debates go.

Funny thing, did you know that if more than 10 firearms backtracked by law enforcement, the FFL that sold those firearms has to give the ATF the personal information, and records of sale of every single person that have dealt with to the ATF? Now imagine if every private sale had to go through a FFL? It's backdoor registration.


The backdoor registration bothers me, because that has a hint of "oh hey we changed our minds, fork it over". I'd hope legislation allowing private parties to access the NICS would understand that a private sale is not the same as someone who is explicitly in the business of selling firearms.
 
2013-01-25 03:22:42 AM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: I'm willing to turn in my AR if the Cops do the same. That is my gun owner compromise. Yeah, never gonna happen, we are farked.


I feel the same. You hear people on the gun control side talk up a place like the UK's gun policy, and that's fine, but even there they disarmed the regular cops as well.
 
2013-01-25 03:22:51 AM  

BronyMedic: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Have you considered penis enlargement surgery? That would have a 0% chance of butchering 26 kindergarteners.

To be fair, 26 children means a LOT of blood, and some ammunition is cheap. Have you SEEN the cost of interior red paint lately? It's outrageous. I can't afford sacrifices to the Lord God Slanaash with paint anymore, and he's getting a bit pissy lately about it. Animals just aren't cutting it for him anymore, man.

Personally, using rock salt loads in a 410 brings him the most pleasure. I think it's those screams. Like the seagulls on a beach in the morning as the tide receeds. Especially if you aim for the chest or abdomen.


It is definitely a trade-off I have trouble making sometimes... the more blood the victim has, the more likely he will be able to get away. Gun people problems.
 
2013-01-25 03:25:32 AM  

GUTSU: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: GUTSU:
It must be nice dancing on the graves on children. Tell me, are you also wearing cleats?

[s3.amazonaws.com image 300x168]

Keep jerkin' it to the dead kids, I'm sure you and Feinstein would make a good couple.


Yeah like I'd stick my dick in anything that ends in "stein." I'd sooner bed an oriental.
 
2013-01-25 03:25:45 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Frank N Stein: constitutional implications.

Blacks were 3/5ths a person. Women had no vote.

Preach to me again about the import of that f*cking piece of paper.


Can everyone please stop butchering the constitution. They were in no way referring to blacks being "3/5ths" of a person.

The wording actually assumes they are full persons. It distinguishes between the contribution to the census from free persons and the contribution from other persons. It's 3/5 of the number of other persons that gets added to the number of free persons. It's not that slaves are 3/5 of a person.

And for the record, it was those who opposed slavery who didn't want them counted and those who favored it who did, because counting them as full persons would mean more representation in Congress for their states (and yet the voting for those states wouldn't involve the slaves voting, of course, so it's even more influence for the slave-holders if they counted fully).
 
2013-01-25 03:26:05 AM  

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: It is definitely a trade-off I have trouble making sometimes... the more blood the victim has, the more likely he will be able to get away. Gun people problems.


The trick is if you're not going to use a firearm to use a hammer and make them incapacitated. Or a garrote. You know, I finished playing Hitman:Absolution last night, and went out and strangled the first homeless man I saw with one while chanting satanic verse.

Murder simulators indeed. Violent videogames made me do it!

But if you want to be stylish about it, use an axe.

static.guim.co.uk
 
2013-01-25 03:29:15 AM  

BronyMedic: Fail in Human Form: Do you want my "evil assault" M1 Carbine (it shoots .30 carbine..basically a pistol round) banned also?

Ooooh. Folding Para-stock or original wood stock?

Inquiring minds want to know.

/M1 Carbine owner.
//The ammo is expensive as shiat.


It's a fixed wood, but it's IMI new production and yeah the ammo prices suck.
 
2013-01-25 03:32:04 AM  

BronyMedic: fusillade762: BronyMedic: There's no cure for stupid this incredible.

Wait... just to be clear, which one of us is stupid? If it's me please feel free to say so. It wouldn't be the first time. Or the last.

Oh, no. I'm talking about NewportBarGuy's insane trolling through this entire thread. Plus his attempt to one-up FLYNAVY.



You're seriously calling him out for arguing with and semi-trolling a drunk guy? Please tell us more about your medical heroics and why your gun-toting counterparts need modern sporting rifles anymore than anyone else, DRIVEAMBULANCE.
 
2013-01-25 03:33:51 AM  

knbwhite: Fail in Human Form: NewportBarGuy: Frank N Stein: RIFLE! WE'RE DOOMED

I love how you've excluded those with a 30 round clip.

That's not very 'well regulated' of you.

Do you want my "evil assault" M1 Carbine (it shoots .30 carbine..basically a pistol round) banned also?

/Feinstein does
//I'd mention my SAR-1 but it's banned by name on her newest proposal so I know where you stand on that

I saw a list today and the M1 carbine wasn't on it.

It occured to me today that Feinstein wants to make military style rifles so rare we will mainly see them on movie screens, TV shows and video games, and they would cause less deaths than back yard pools. Hey, mission accomplished!


It has a detachable mag and bayo lug, it would be an assault weapon under her bill.
 
2013-01-25 03:34:13 AM  
I suspect that people who own AR-15s don't want the police to have them as well; however, I have no idea why this would be.
 
2013-01-25 03:34:19 AM  

violentsalvation: The backdoor registration bothers me, because that has a hint of "oh hey we changed our minds, fork it over".


KFC game day bucket go boom
 
2013-01-25 03:35:04 AM  

violentsalvation: You're seriously calling him out for arguing with and semi-trolling a drunk guy? Please tell us more about your medical heroics and why your gun-toting counterparts need modern sporting rifles anymore than anyone else, DRIVEAMBULANCE.


See. Everyone was having fun in here until dudley douchebag had to show up and try to ruin the party.

Go back to the bong, buddy. Just take a nice, deep breath and inhale it in. It'll help you get the stick out of your ass.
 
2013-01-25 03:35:49 AM  
NewportBarGuy: A rifle that fires 5.56mm, even in single-shot iterations, with a 30-round clip?

I havent looked yet. Have the gun people come and decided that what this thread really needs to be about is your use of the term "clip" yet?
 
2013-01-25 03:38:00 AM  

GAT_00: We're already well on our way to 3rd world country status.  Why not arm the police like we are and just cut to the chase?


Ah, but India doesn't have armed cops. I'd have to get more data on other low rent countries with excessive governments. The thugishly over powered regimes tend to be lacking real governance.

Cops tend to be well armed in order to curtail incidents like the Mumbai incident. Just like clock tower doors are kept locked.
 
2013-01-25 03:38:02 AM  

violentsalvation: BronyMedic: fusillade762: BronyMedic: There's no cure for stupid this incredible.

Wait... just to be clear, which one of us is stupid? If it's me please feel free to say so. It wouldn't be the first time. Or the last.

Oh, no. I'm talking about NewportBarGuy's insane trolling through this entire thread. Plus his attempt to one-up FLYNAVY.


You're seriously calling him out for arguing with and semi-trolling a drunk guy? Please tell us more about your medical heroics and why your gun-toting counterparts need modern sporting rifles anymore than anyone else, DRIVEAMBULANCE.


I prefer a mini-14 myself to ar-15's. I sold mine several years ago, and now wonder if i can ever buy one again when i get the money. I like them because they are fun and cheap to shoot. Also, you try shooting 100 rounds of 30-06 in a session at the target range for rifle practice.
 
2013-01-25 03:38:12 AM  
Fail in Human Form: It's a fixed wood, but it's IMI new production and yeah the ammo prices suck.

Ewwww. Surplus is the way to go. Sure, it costs a little more, and it's a little more scratched, but it makes a hell of a style statement.

/M1 Garand would make a nice deer rifle if you don't mind 30-06. All the cool kids are using 7mm, it seems.
 
2013-01-25 03:38:22 AM  

TheVeryDeadIanMartin: I suspect that people who own AR-15s don't want the police to have them as well; however, I have no idea why this would be.


Yet current and retired LEOs are exempt from her bill. Amazing isn't it.

/Guns in Government hands is apparently fine
//Guns in private citizen's hands, "ZOMG call the people with the state approved weapons to kill them"!
///I think Freud had something to say regarding this
 
2013-01-25 03:39:23 AM  

BronyMedic: Public Savant: FTA: The officers would be allowed to carry these weapons in their police vehicles once properly trained, and would be only used to neutralize a potential threat, according to Daugherty.

So what the hell have they been using their sidearm for all these years?!

Yeah, why would patrolmen need assault rifles, anyway? (Video NSFW, shows cops getting ambushed and murdered) I mean, they'd never need a reason to use them, right? (Video NSFW, shows cops getting ambushed and shot, and bad-ass gamewarden fu with an M4 rifle.)

/West Memphis, 2010.


Yes, that's right - don't bother seeing the fine print when you can whargarbl it.
 
2013-01-25 03:39:50 AM  
AR-15? Wimps.

farm2.static.flickr.com
 
2013-01-25 03:41:17 AM  

BronyMedic: Fail in Human Form: It's a fixed wood, but it's IMI new production and yeah the ammo prices suck.

Ewwww. Surplus is the way to go. Sure, it costs a little more, and it's a little more scratched, but it makes a hell of a style statement.

/M1 Garand would make a nice deer rifle if you don't mind 30-06. All the cool kids are using 7mm, it seems.


I just joined the CMP program and a Garand in 30-06 is on my "will buy" list :-)

/I could have bought one on just on my C&R but CMP has some good deals from time to time so I figured why not
 
2013-01-25 03:41:17 AM  

NewportBarGuy: NewportBarGuy: Your point?

I thought so, <b>Frank</b>. There is nothing defensible about the AR-15, AK-47, or any other weapon designed primarily for the killing of human beings. "But, it's only single-shot!" Yeah. Wow. You can get the people who know nothing about guns to scratch their head at that, not those who know the weapon.

Three-shot burst vs. no-three-shot-burst... There is no such thing as a fully automatic M4 that is issued to combat MOS in the armed forces that are not SOCOM.

The argument about "machine gun"... total bullsh*t. It's not a "machine gun". SAWs fill that role.

Just yield and move on.


Talking to yourself? Ban military-style assualt alts!
 
2013-01-25 03:42:11 AM  

BronyMedic: violentsalvation: You're seriously calling him out for arguing with and semi-trolling a drunk guy? Please tell us more about your medical heroics and why your gun-toting counterparts need modern sporting rifles anymore than anyone else, DRIVEAMBULANCE.

See. Everyone was having fun in here until dudley douchebag had to show up and try to ruin the party.

Go back to the bong, buddy. Just take a nice, deep breath and inhale it in. It'll help you get the stick out of your ass.


Never smoked weed in my life. Not that I care if you chose to partake, just keep your ambulance greasy side down.
 
2013-01-25 03:42:53 AM  

violentsalvation: and why your gun-toting counterparts need modern sporting rifles anymore than anyone else


I never said they deserve "modern sporting rifles" more than anyone else. But nice putting words in my mouth.

At any rate, I don't have to "say" anything. I can show you. Your kind gets off on watching cops (It's pigs, right?) get murdered, so I figured I'd provide you with some jerk material. (NSFW) That fight was ended by a Game Warden using his M-4 in a particularly bad-ass way.

Considering MPD's Organized Crime Unit pulled an actual LAW off the streets of Orange Mound in a raid last year (not the tube, but an actual, live LAW) as well as regularly going against bangers armed with automatic weapons, I'm pretty okay with them carrying ARs. It is quite literally an arms race out there with criminals.

And it's our fault because of the war on drugs, yes. But that's not likely to change soon, is it?
 
2013-01-25 03:43:45 AM  

Bomb Head Mohammed: NewportBarGuy: A rifle that fires 5.56mm, even in single-shot iterations, with a 30-round clip?

I havent looked yet. Have the gun people come and decided that what this thread really needs to be about is your use of the term "clip" yet?


We're giving Newport a pass cause he's Newport. Don't think for a second YOU get a pass, however!
 
2013-01-25 03:44:05 AM  

BronyMedic: Fail in Human Form: It's a fixed wood, but it's IMI new production and yeah the ammo prices suck.

Ewwww. Surplus is the way to go. Sure, it costs a little more, and it's a little more scratched, but it makes a hell of a style statement.

/M1 Garand would make a nice deer rifle if you don't mind 30-06. All the cool kids are using 7mm, it seems.


This is why I brought up sporting rifles. They are great on the practice range. You can get in a lot of practice for a decent price. You can't do the same with 30-06 and higher. Those rounds cost a lot more, and they aren't easy on the body, though I heard the M1 Garand is easy going as far as that goes. Never fired one myself, so I don't know.
 
2013-01-25 03:45:48 AM  

Public Savant: Yes, that's right - don't bother seeing the fine print when you can whargarbl it


I'm sorry, what fine print is there? Your paranoid fear of armed cops doesn't change the fact that they're up against people armed the same.

The fact of the matter is that street cops are basically in an arms race with the gangs they're put there to protect us from. Side arms are useless against people who are using high powered, fully automatic weapons or weapons which have large-capacity magazines and FMJ bullets. Doubly so against people who are using high-level, military grade body armor like the North Hollywood shoot out.

Did the United States create that problem? Yeah, they most certainly did with draconian drug laws when compared with the rest of the world. Is it going to change anytime soon? Probibly not.
 
2013-01-25 03:50:31 AM  

muck4doo: violentsalvation: BronyMedic: fusillade762: BronyMedic: There's no cure for stupid this incredible.

Wait... just to be clear, which one of us is stupid? If it's me please feel free to say so. It wouldn't be the first time. Or the last.

Oh, no. I'm talking about NewportBarGuy's insane trolling through this entire thread. Plus his attempt to one-up FLYNAVY.


You're seriously calling him out for arguing with and semi-trolling a drunk guy? Please tell us more about your medical heroics and why your gun-toting counterparts need modern sporting rifles anymore than anyone else, DRIVEAMBULANCE.

I prefer a mini-14 myself to ar-15's. I sold mine several years ago, and now wonder if i can ever buy one again when i get the money. I like them because they are fun and cheap to shoot. Also, you try shooting 100 rounds of 30-06 in a session at the target range for rifle practice.


I also prefer a mini-14 over an AR, for everything but coyote calling. I don't care if I scuff up the plastic on my AR laying real low in the mesquite and the dirt. I try to keep the mini 14 out of all that. I love the wood stocks. I own and enjoy shooting "assault rifles" but I'm really traditional in what I actually prefer to shoot.
 
2013-01-25 03:53:23 AM  

Fark It: patrol rifles

LOL. When a sniveling citizen wants one they're "military-style assault weapons." When cops want them they're "patrol rifles." Bunch of Orwellian horseshiat.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but LA has had them since the 90's.
 
2013-01-25 03:54:36 AM  

violentsalvation: muck4doo: violentsalvation: BronyMedic: fusillade762: BronyMedic: There's no cure for stupid this incredible.

Wait... just to be clear, which one of us is stupid? If it's me please feel free to say so. It wouldn't be the first time. Or the last.

Oh, no. I'm talking about NewportBarGuy's insane trolling through this entire thread. Plus his attempt to one-up FLYNAVY.


You're seriously calling him out for arguing with and semi-trolling a drunk guy? Please tell us more about your medical heroics and why your gun-toting counterparts need modern sporting rifles anymore than anyone else, DRIVEAMBULANCE.

I prefer a mini-14 myself to ar-15's. I sold mine several years ago, and now wonder if i can ever buy one again when i get the money. I like them because they are fun and cheap to shoot. Also, you try shooting 100 rounds of 30-06 in a session at the target range for rifle practice.

I also prefer a mini-14 over an AR, for everything but coyote calling. I don't care if I scuff up the plastic on my AR laying real low in the mesquite and the dirt. I try to keep the mini 14 out of all that. I love the wood stocks. I own and enjoy shooting "assault rifles" but I'm really traditional in what I actually prefer to shoot.


I never had a mini-14 but I've always heard their accuracy is pretty bad in comparison to an ar-15. Not "minute of pie plate bad" but "4 inch groups at 100 yards bad". Accurate?
 
2013-01-25 03:54:57 AM  
The officers would be allowed to carry these weapons in their police vehicles once properly trained, and would be only used to neutralize a potential threat, according to Daugherty.

I would rather they use them only in cases of ACTUAL threats, but that's just me
 
2013-01-25 03:55:30 AM  

doglover: Fark It: patrol rifles

LOL. When a sniveling citizen wants one they're "military-style assault weapons." When cops want them they're "patrol rifles." Bunch of Orwellian horseshiat.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but LA has had them since the 90's.


Since 1997. Before that, many departments armed their people with Mini-14s or 30s.
 
2013-01-25 03:58:10 AM  
I'm not against SWAT teams and such having assault rifles available for situations that might actually require them, but it's incredibly dangerous for regular cops to be carrying them routinely. Between the rapid semiautomatic fire, the large clip, and (most importantly) using a rifle round, it's way too easy for them to put bullets all the way through the bad guy, whatever he's standing in front of, and whatever (or whomever) happens to be downrange for the next half mile or so.
 
2013-01-25 03:58:52 AM  

BronyMedic: Public Savant: Yes, that's right - don't bother seeing the fine print when you can whargarbl it

I'm sorry, what fine print is there? Your paranoid fear of armed cops doesn't change the fact that they're up against people armed the same.

The fact of the matter is that street cops are basically in an arms race with the gangs they're put there to protect us from. Side arms are useless against people who are using high powered, fully automatic weapons or weapons which have large-capacity magazines and FMJ bullets. Doubly so against people who are using high-level, military grade body armor like the North Hollywood shoot out.

Did the United States create that problem? Yeah, they most certainly did with draconian drug laws when compared with the rest of the world. Is it going to change anytime soon? Probibly not.


Some of us are fighting like hell to end the drug war. We did just legalize Cannabis out this way. Yeah, yeah, drop in the proverbial bucket, but there is real, passionate resistance backed by dollars and facts fighting back. Unfortunately, myself and others have been forced to shift to fight off a prohibitionist gun control push. *sigh* Tough, at this point, to be optimistic about anything though.
 
2013-01-25 03:59:49 AM  

violentsalvation: muck4doo: violentsalvation: BronyMedic: fusillade762: BronyMedic: There's no cure for stupid this incredible.

Wait... just to be clear, which one of us is stupid? If it's me please feel free to say so. It wouldn't be the first time. Or the last.

Oh, no. I'm talking about NewportBarGuy's insane trolling through this entire thread. Plus his attempt to one-up FLYNAVY.


You're seriously calling him out for arguing with and semi-trolling a drunk guy? Please tell us more about your medical heroics and why your gun-toting counterparts need modern sporting rifles anymore than anyone else, DRIVEAMBULANCE.

I prefer a mini-14 myself to ar-15's. I sold mine several years ago, and now wonder if i can ever buy one again when i get the money. I like them because they are fun and cheap to shoot. Also, you try shooting 100 rounds of 30-06 in a session at the target range for rifle practice.

I also prefer a mini-14 over an AR, for everything but coyote calling. I don't care if I scuff up the plastic on my AR laying real low in the mesquite and the dirt. I try to keep the mini 14 out of all that. I love the wood stocks. I own and enjoy shooting "assault rifles" but I'm really traditional in what I actually prefer to shoot.


I need to get myself a nice little rifle again. Mini-14 is my first choice, but also love lever action Marlins. I sold most my guns, and only have 3 handguns left. A broke muck4doo is a pawning muck4doo. A Russian(yes Russian not chinese or czech) Makarov, a Browning Buck Mark, and a Taurus 669 CP revolver. The Taurus I bought for fishing trips about 20 years ago, but it proved worthless at night. I could fire the strongest .357 loads on the market though it, but the muzzle flash was blinding. Never owned a shotgun, though i know i should have.
 
2013-01-25 04:00:26 AM  

Mitrovarr: I'm not against SWAT teams and such having assault rifles available for situations that might actually require them, but it's incredibly dangerous for regular cops to be carrying them routinely. Between the rapid semiautomatic fire, the large clip, and (most importantly) using a rifle round, it's way too easy for them to put bullets all the way through the bad guy, whatever he's standing in front of, and whatever (or whomever) happens to be downrange for the next half mile or so.


Hahahaha, are you serious? Do you also think they shoot baby-skull seeking rounds?
 
2013-01-25 04:04:05 AM  

BronyMedic: violentsalvation: and why your gun-toting counterparts need modern sporting rifles anymore than anyone else

I never said they deserve "modern sporting rifles" more than anyone else. But nice putting words in my mouth.

At any rate, I don't have to "say" anything. I can show you. Your kind gets off on watching cops (It's pigs, right?) get murdered, so I figured I'd provide you with some jerk material. (NSFW) That fight was ended by a Game Warden using his M-4 in a particularly bad-ass way.

Considering MPD's Organized Crime Unit pulled an actual LAW off the streets of Orange Mound in a raid last year (not the tube, but an actual, live LAW) as well as regularly going against bangers armed with automatic weapons, I'm pretty okay with them carrying ARs. It is quite literally an arms race out there with criminals.

And it's our fault because of the war on drugs, yes. But that's not likely to change soon, is it?


I don't get off on seeing anyone die. I live near signs that say this:
i798.photobucket.com

So I understand that some cops might need a patrol rifle to effectively do their job safely. So yeah, I disagree with bar guy on that. Doesn't mean I'm going to question his military record like an asshole. Yes, I dislike almost all cops, but I've encountered a few who are actually in it to serve their community.
 
2013-01-25 04:05:10 AM  

GUTSU: Hahahaha, are you serious? Do you also think they shoot baby-skull seeking rounds?


Bullets going through walls and hitting random people is a serious problem. That's why they invented frangible rounds for home defense. It's not at all uncommon to hear about people getting killed by stray bullets in shootouts. Using rifle rounds massively compounds the problem by using a much higher velocity round that can penetrate much tougher obstacles and has a greater maximum range.
 
2013-01-25 04:07:40 AM  

Fail in Human Form: violentsalvation: muck4doo: violentsalvation: BronyMedic: fusillade762: BronyMedic: There's no cure for stupid this incredible.

Wait... just to be clear, which one of us is stupid? If it's me please feel free to say so. It wouldn't be the first time. Or the last.

Oh, no. I'm talking about NewportBarGuy's insane trolling through this entire thread. Plus his attempt to one-up FLYNAVY.


You're seriously calling him out for arguing with and semi-trolling a drunk guy? Please tell us more about your medical heroics and why your gun-toting counterparts need modern sporting rifles anymore than anyone else, DRIVEAMBULANCE.

I prefer a mini-14 myself to ar-15's. I sold mine several years ago, and now wonder if i can ever buy one again when i get the money. I like them because they are fun and cheap to shoot. Also, you try shooting 100 rounds of 30-06 in a session at the target range for rifle practice.

I also prefer a mini-14 over an AR, for everything but coyote calling. I don't care if I scuff up the plastic on my AR laying real low in the mesquite and the dirt. I try to keep the mini 14 out of all that. I love the wood stocks. I own and enjoy shooting "assault rifles" but I'm really traditional in what I actually prefer to shoot.

I never had a mini-14 but I've always heard their accuracy is pretty bad in comparison to an ar-15. Not "minute of pie plate bad" but "4 inch groups at 100 yards bad". Accurate?


Accurate enough. The CA dept of corrections trusts them enough to arm their watch tower guards with them at their prisons. I liked them because they were simpler than the ar-15. It's the same reason I got a Browning Buck Mark pistol instead of the Ruger, even though both had about the same accuracy, but the Ruger more durability. The Buck Mark is just a lot easier to strip, clean, and take care of. Though I found out the hard way little parts can go wrong, even on the simpler pistol. Had a Glock 22(.40 S&W) for years, never a problem. For some reason the .22 pistol had parts wear out faster. Could be because i shot it a lot more too though.

/I also prefer a wood stock to plastic, therefore mini-14
 
2013-01-25 04:07:50 AM  

Mitrovarr: but it's incredibly dangerous for regular cops to be carrying them routinely. Between the rapid semiautomatic fire, the large clip, and (most importantly) using a rifle round, it's way too easy for them to put bullets all the way through the bad guy, whatever he's standing in front of, and whatever (or whomever) happens to be downrange for the next half mile or so.


Cops here shot up a knife wielding guy they'd cornered at a bus stop. And and middle age Chinese lady who was shopping in the store next door. Guess who's responsible for paying for your medical treatment when the cops accidentally shoot you? You are.
 
2013-01-25 04:09:41 AM  

Mitrovarr: GUTSU: Hahahaha, are you serious? Do you also think they shoot baby-skull seeking rounds?

Bullets going through walls and hitting random people is a serious problem. That's why they invented frangible rounds for home defense. It's not at all uncommon to hear about people getting killed by stray bullets in shootouts. Using rifle rounds massively compounds the problem by using a much higher velocity round that can penetrate much tougher obstacles and has a greater maximum range.


Well the police do tend to have shiatty aim, with the whole 1 in 7 hit ratio and all. I guess I can support your call to relieve police departments of these hellish murder machines of murder.
 
2013-01-25 04:10:37 AM  

Fail in Human Form: violentsalvation: muck4doo: violentsalvation: BronyMedic: fusillade762: BronyMedic: There's no cure for stupid this incredible.

Wait... just to be clear, which one of us is stupid? If it's me please feel free to say so. It wouldn't be the first time. Or the last.

Oh, no. I'm talking about NewportBarGuy's insane trolling through this entire thread. Plus his attempt to one-up FLYNAVY.


You're seriously calling him out for arguing with and semi-trolling a drunk guy? Please tell us more about your medical heroics and why your gun-toting counterparts need modern sporting rifles anymore than anyone else, DRIVEAMBULANCE.

I prefer a mini-14 myself to ar-15's. I sold mine several years ago, and now wonder if i can ever buy one again when i get the money. I like them because they are fun and cheap to shoot. Also, you try shooting 100 rounds of 30-06 in a session at the target range for rifle practice.

I also prefer a mini-14 over an AR, for everything but coyote calling. I don't care if I scuff up the plastic on my AR laying real low in the mesquite and the dirt. I try to keep the mini 14 out of all that. I love the wood stocks. I own and enjoy shooting "assault rifles" but I'm really traditional in what I actually prefer to shoot.

I never had a mini-14 but I've always heard their accuracy is pretty bad in comparison to an ar-15. Not "minute of pie plate bad" but "4 inch groups at 100 yards bad". Accurate?


With iron sights I shoot them about the same at 100 yards. I'm absolutely no expert marksman though. And as things are lately, I can't afford the ammo to stay at whatever my par is or was.
 
2013-01-25 04:12:24 AM  

Mitrovarr: GUTSU: Hahahaha, are you serious? Do you also think they shoot baby-skull seeking rounds?

Bullets going through walls and hitting random people is a serious problem. That's why they invented frangible rounds for home defense. It's not at all uncommon to hear about people getting killed by stray bullets in shootouts. Using rifle rounds massively compounds the problem by using a much higher velocity round that can penetrate much tougher obstacles and has a greater maximum range.


That's why they need to be trained if they are going to use them. Pistols and shotguns don't take as much training as rifles in an urban setting. I prefer the experts only handle them on police forces.

/No, not all cops are experts.
 
2013-01-25 04:12:27 AM  

King Something: NewportBarGuy: Frank N Stein: NewportBarGuy: A rifle that fires 5.56mm, even in single-shot iterations, with a 30-round clip?

5.56 sounds like an overkill. They should carry something in .223

That's cute. Let's see what it does to the skull of an 8-year-old.

Do you want to be the one to tell him that 5.56 and .223 are essentially the same thing, or should I do it?


I say use .222 (in France hunting calibre without permit, whereas .223 is military only and totaly forbidden for civilian)
 
2013-01-25 04:12:31 AM  

Fail in Human Form: TheVeryDeadIanMartin: I suspect that people who own AR-15s don't want the police to have them as well; however, I have no idea why this would be.

Yet current and retired LEOs are exempt from her bill. Amazing isn't it.

/Guns in Government hands is apparently fine
//Guns in private citizen's hands, "ZOMG call the people with the state approved weapons to kill them"!
///I think Freud had something to say regarding this


Whether or not I agree with the logic of people who think like that, your delusional straw man argument is delusional. Clearly someone holding that position believes that firearms can be useful tools in the hands of (supposedly) skilled and regulated men and women. If you HAVE to make up an imaginary argument to debate against, the more appropriate argument would be that they seem to feel that the risks of owning firearms, of merely having them around, equate with the risks of performing surgery or some other occupation where there is zero tolerance for 'skilled amateurs' to practice, regardless of whether they totally took a 4 hour safety course once and practice at least a hour a month. Much like the back alley butt injections guy being arrested earlier this week for practicing medicine without a license and a number of other crimes, the argument isn't whether X percentage of people could safely perform surgery with the right tools and know how, it's that Z percentage are utter morons who shouldn't be allowed to hold human life in their hands. Should we not regulate doctors and surgery then? Clearly there is no possible physical prevention of idiots injecting liquid silicone into the asses of stupid people for $200 a shot. CRIMINAL DOCTORS DON'T OBEY LAWS, DUMPASS. So clearly any and all regulation is useless, yes? That's what you're arguing? No? Then don't make up stupid arguments for your opponent just so you can quote retarded facebook poster logic at them. Make your own position clear and let it stand on it's own merit.
 
2013-01-25 04:16:56 AM  

muck4doo: violentsalvation: muck4doo: violentsalvation: BronyMedic: fusillade762: BronyMedic: There's no cure for stupid this incredible.

Wait... just to be clear, which one of us is stupid? If it's me please feel free to say so. It wouldn't be the first time. Or the last.

Oh, no. I'm talking about NewportBarGuy's insane trolling through this entire thread. Plus his attempt to one-up FLYNAVY.


You're seriously calling him out for arguing with and semi-trolling a drunk guy? Please tell us more about your medical heroics and why your gun-toting counterparts need modern sporting rifles anymore than anyone else, DRIVEAMBULANCE.

I prefer a mini-14 myself to ar-15's. I sold mine several years ago, and now wonder if i can ever buy one again when i get the money. I like them because they are fun and cheap to shoot. Also, you try shooting 100 rounds of 30-06 in a session at the target range for rifle practice.

I also prefer a mini-14 over an AR, for everything but coyote calling. I don't care if I scuff up the plastic on my AR laying real low in the mesquite and the dirt. I try to keep the mini 14 out of all that. I love the wood stocks. I own and enjoy shooting "assault rifles" but I'm really traditional in what I actually prefer to shoot.

I need to get myself a nice little rifle again. Mini-14 is my first choice, but also love lever action Marlins. I sold most my guns, and only have 3 handguns left. A broke muck4doo is a pawning muck4doo. A Russian(yes Russian not chinese or czech) Makarov, a Browning Buck Mark, and a Taurus 669 CP revolver. The Taurus I bought for fishing trips about 20 years ago, but it proved worthless at night. I could fire the strongest .357 loads on the market though it, but the muzzle flash was blinding. Never owned a shotgun, though i know i should have.


I have a Bulgarian Makarov, neat little pistol.

muck4doo: It's the same reason I got a Browning Buck Mark pistol instead of the Ruger, even though both had about the same accuracy, but the Ruger more durability. The Buck Mark is just a lot easier to strip, clean, and take care of.


You made a good choice there, though I love shooting my mark II. It is a pain in the ass to learn how to disassemble and reassemble. But I will never forget now. It's like a bicycle.
 
2013-01-25 04:28:06 AM  

violentsalvation: Doesn't mean I'm going to question his military record like an asshole.


Sorry, I've lived through FLYNAVY and Wife-Like Typing guy. If he was actually in the military, I'll apologize to him. But there are plenty of people on FARK who claim to be in/have been in the military who are blatent liars about it.

I do tend to question anyone who calls a magazine a clip and then claims to have been in the military.
 
2013-01-25 04:32:47 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Blacks were 3/5ths a person.


As a matter of parliamentary procedure, I feel it necessary to point out that blacks were actually 0/5 of a person. They got no vote, nor did their owners get extra votes.

The 3/5 was for the purpose of proportioning representatives in the HoR and determining tax burdens.
 
2013-01-25 04:38:29 AM  

wildcardjack: GAT_00: We're already well on our way to 3rd world country status.  Why not arm the police like we are and just cut to the chase?

Ah, but India doesn't have armed cops. I'd have to get more data on other low rent countries with excessive governments. The thugishly over powered regimes tend to be lacking real governance.

Cops tend to be well armed in order to curtail incidents like the Mumbai incident. Just like clock tower doors are kept locked.


India does have armed cops.
I've been searched for drugs in Goa, and the 2 cops were carying assault rifles.
Farking Lee-Enfields! (or something just as old, it was dark)
As for " thugishly over powered regimes", well, they tend to have AK's or AR's for their "police" everywhere I've been.
 
2013-01-25 04:44:28 AM  

muck4doo: Fail in Human Form: violentsalvation: muck4doo: violentsalvation: BronyMedic: fusillade762: BronyMedic: There's no cure for stupid this incredible.

Wait... just to be clear, which one of us is stupid? If it's me please feel free to say so. It wouldn't be the first time. Or the last.

Oh, no. I'm talking about NewportBarGuy's insane trolling through this entire thread. Plus his attempt to one-up FLYNAVY.


You're seriously calling him out for arguing with and semi-trolling a drunk guy? Please tell us more about your medical heroics and why your gun-toting counterparts need modern sporting rifles anymore than anyone else, DRIVEAMBULANCE.

I prefer a mini-14 myself to ar-15's. I sold mine several years ago, and now wonder if i can ever buy one again when i get the money. I like them because they are fun and cheap to shoot. Also, you try shooting 100 rounds of 30-06 in a session at the target range for rifle practice.

I also prefer a mini-14 over an AR, for everything but coyote calling. I don't care if I scuff up the plastic on my AR laying real low in the mesquite and the dirt. I try to keep the mini 14 out of all that. I love the wood stocks. I own and enjoy shooting "assault rifles" but I'm really traditional in what I actually prefer to shoot.

I never had a mini-14 but I've always heard their accuracy is pretty bad in comparison to an ar-15. Not "minute of pie plate bad" but "4 inch groups at 100 yards bad". Accurate?

Accurate enough. The CA dept of corrections trusts them enough to arm their watch tower guards with them at their prisons. I liked them because they were simpler than the ar-15. It's the same reason I got a Browning Buck Mark pistol instead of the Ruger, even though both had about the same accuracy, but the Ruger more durability. The Buck Mark is just a lot easier to strip, clean, and take care of. Though I found out the hard way little parts can go wrong, even on the simpler pistol. Had a Glock 22(.40 S&W) for years, never a problem. For some reason the .22 pistol had parts wear out faster. Could be because i shot it a lot more too though.

/I also prefer a wood stock to plastic, therefore mini-14


Go for an Ak then. Absolute durability. I have a WASR with Romanian G furniture on it, I refinished the wood to my liking.
I have a Turkish Mauser for hitting stuff at long distances. An 8 mm drops a deer or bear quite nicely.
Tacti-cool is stupid, waste of money. A lot of people can't handle recoil, which is why the AR is popular.
 
2013-01-25 04:45:49 AM  

BronyMedic: I do tend to question anyone who calls a magazine a clip and then claims to have been in the military.


I'm not sure what sort of nitwit would call a clip a magazine once they are out of the service.
 
2013-01-25 04:46:08 AM  

violentsalvation: I have a Bulgarian Makarov, neat little pistol.


I want to check out the Bulgarians next time i go to a gun show. I've heard good things about them. Won't buy one, I already got a Russian, but do want to check them out.
 
2013-01-25 04:46:13 AM  

BronyMedic: violentsalvation: Doesn't mean I'm going to question his military record like an asshole.

Sorry, I've lived through FLYNAVY and Wife-Like Typing guy. If he was actually in the military, I'll apologize to him. But there are plenty of people on FARK who claim to be in/have been in the military who are blatent liars about it.

I do tend to question anyone who calls a magazine a clip and then claims to have been in the military.


I knew people who did that, but I was in a comm unit so we didn't get a lot of trigger time.
 
2013-01-25 04:53:27 AM  

wildlifer: muck4doo: Fail in Human Form: violentsalvation: muck4doo: violentsalvation: BronyMedic: fusillade762: BronyMedic: There's no cure for stupid this incredible.

Wait... just to be clear, which one of us is stupid? If it's me please feel free to say so. It wouldn't be the first time. Or the last.

Oh, no. I'm talking about NewportBarGuy's insane trolling through this entire thread. Plus his attempt to one-up FLYNAVY.


You're seriously calling him out for arguing with and semi-trolling a drunk guy? Please tell us more about your medical heroics and why your gun-toting counterparts need modern sporting rifles anymore than anyone else, DRIVEAMBULANCE.

I prefer a mini-14 myself to ar-15's. I sold mine several years ago, and now wonder if i can ever buy one again when i get the money. I like them because they are fun and cheap to shoot. Also, you try shooting 100 rounds of 30-06 in a session at the target range for rifle practice.

I also prefer a mini-14 over an AR, for everything but coyote calling. I don't care if I scuff up the plastic on my AR laying real low in the mesquite and the dirt. I try to keep the mini 14 out of all that. I love the wood stocks. I own and enjoy shooting "assault rifles" but I'm really traditional in what I actually prefer to shoot.

I never had a mini-14 but I've always heard their accuracy is pretty bad in comparison to an ar-15. Not "minute of pie plate bad" but "4 inch groups at 100 yards bad". Accurate?

Accurate enough. The CA dept of corrections trusts them enough to arm their watch tower guards with them at their prisons. I liked them because they were simpler than the ar-15. It's the same reason I got a Browning Buck Mark pistol instead of the Ruger, even though both had about the same accuracy, but the Ruger more durability. The Buck Mark is just a lot easier to strip, clean, and take care of. Though I found out the hard way little parts can go wrong, even on the simpler pistol. Had a Glock 22(.40 S&W) for years, never a prob ...


My father has one. I liked my mini-14 in comparison. Though I can tell it wasn't as durable. Not that it jams(only will if you use cheap after market magazines), or isn't as accurate, more that will take a lot more punishment and last longer, like the Ruger Mk2 vs Browning Buck Mark. The AK is simpler, and will have less go wrong with it. The less parts you have, the less that can go wrong. That's part of why Glocks are so popular.
 
2013-01-25 04:54:38 AM  

wildlifer: muck4doo: Fail in Human Form: violentsalvation: muck4doo: violentsalvation: BronyMedic: fusillade762: BronyMedic: There's no cure for stupid this incredible.

Wait... just to be clear, which one of us is stupid? If it's me please feel free to say so. It wouldn't be the first time. Or the last.

Oh, no. I'm talking about NewportBarGuy's insane trolling through this entire thread. Plus his attempt to one-up FLYNAVY.


You're seriously calling him out for arguing with and semi-trolling a drunk guy? Please tell us more about your medical heroics and why your gun-toting counterparts need modern sporting rifles anymore than anyone else, DRIVEAMBULANCE.

I prefer a mini-14 myself to ar-15's. I sold mine several years ago, and now wonder if i can ever buy one again when i get the money. I like them because they are fun and cheap to shoot. Also, you try shooting 100 rounds of 30-06 in a session at the target range for rifle practice.

I also prefer a mini-14 over an AR, for everything but coyote calling. I don't care if I scuff up the plastic on my AR laying real low in the mesquite and the dirt. I try to keep the mini 14 out of all that. I love the wood stocks. I own and enjoy shooting "assault rifles" but I'm really traditional in what I actually prefer to shoot.

I never had a mini-14 but I've always heard their accuracy is pretty bad in comparison to an ar-15. Not "minute of pie plate bad" but "4 inch groups at 100 yards bad". Accurate?

Accurate enough. The CA dept of corrections trusts them enough to arm their watch tower guards with them at their prisons. I liked them because they were simpler than the ar-15. It's the same reason I got a Browning Buck Mark pistol instead of the Ruger, even though both had about the same accuracy, but the Ruger more durability. The Buck Mark is just a lot easier to strip, clean, and take care of. Though I found out the hard way little parts can go wrong, even on the simpler pistol. Had a Glock 22(.40 S&W) for years, never a prob ...


The only problem with the AK is you either have to buy one with a NATO length stock, swap it out on your own, or have really short arms lol.
 
2013-01-25 04:55:20 AM  

muck4doo: violentsalvation: I have a Bulgarian Makarov, neat little pistol.

I want to check out the Bulgarians next time i go to a gun show. I've heard good things about them. Won't buy one, I already got a Russian, but do want to check them out.


I have one, it's a fun little pistol and damn reliable. I actually know someone who carries one.
 
2013-01-25 04:57:44 AM  

muck4doo: Had a Glock 22(.40 S&W) for years, n ...


My only gripe about a Glock, and keep in mind I carry my Glock 36 daily, is that you have to get used to the trigger. My accuracy with it was pretty low compared to my other pistols until I got used to it through several range trips.
 
2013-01-25 04:58:48 AM  
BronyMedic SmartestFunniest 2013-01-25 04:28:06 AM


violentsalvation: Doesn't mean I'm going to question his military record like an asshole.

Sorry, I've lived through FLYNAVY and Wife-Like Typing guy. If he was actually in the military, I'll apologize to him. But there are plenty of people on FARK who claim to be in/have been in the military who are blatent liars about it.

I do tend to question anyone who calls a magazine a clip and then claims to have been in the military.


To be fair to him, the vast majority of people in the military do nothing combat related. The only time the get to handle a firearm is when they have to qualify before they deploy. Having read his posts, I'm guessing he works in the legal office. He knows just enough terminology to sound like he's dealt with those issues, i.e. court marshals, but not enough to actually say anything intelligent about them....and that's if he's in the military at all
 
2013-01-25 05:08:36 AM  

Fail in Human Form: muck4doo: Had a Glock 22(.40 S&W) for years, n ...

My only gripe about a Glock, and keep in mind I carry my Glock 36 daily, is that you have to get used to the trigger. My accuracy with it was pretty low compared to my other pistols until I got used to it through several range trips.


It comes with practice. You're going to have that long first pull, but if you practice with it, you will learn Glock. After that first heavy long pull, you only have to move your finger forward a little. You will feel a click. It's a hair trigger at that point. If you practice, you will be amazed at the double and triple taps you can do. Triple taps are a waste, doubles work nice. With practice you learn how to place your finger to just about make that second shot almost automatically happen. I say triple taps are a waste because my time with Glock was with model 22(.40 S&W). By the time your third tap came on doing that method the barrel would be pointing about 45 degrees up because of recoil. It's a wasted shot. That might not be the case with the Glock 17, but it was the case I found with the 22. Next time you go to the range, slow fire that first shot. Then slowly let you finger move forward. You will be surprised at how little it needs to go to give you a light and crisp trigger pull on the follow up. Training. Training. Training.
 
2013-01-25 05:21:12 AM  
"The new guns will ultimately be paid for by the officers themselves who are taking a deduction in their paychecks to make this happen."

Is bring your own gun common in law enforcement?
 
2013-01-25 05:22:45 AM  

violentsalvation: I have a Bulgarian Makarov, neat little pistol.


COMMUNIST! I bet you voted for Obummer too! :P

In all seriousness, I still love you. Your bit of abuse there was a nice distraction from watching videos of trauma team codes for the past two hours on kids.
 
2013-01-25 05:24:27 AM  

imasig: "The new guns will ultimately be paid for by the officers themselves who are taking a deduction in their paychecks to make this happen."

Is bring your own gun common in law enforcement?


Many rural and small departments require their officers to provide their own firearms. They're given a list of "approved" weapons, and get to choose which they carry since they buy them. The only thing the department provides is the ammunition after that.
 
2013-01-25 05:25:33 AM  

imasig: "The new guns will ultimately be paid for by the officers themselves who are taking a deduction in their paychecks to make this happen."

Is bring your own gun common in law enforcement?


Depends on the department, at least that's my understanding. Some will issue you one, others will give you a list of approved firearms you can use and reimburse you for the cost, yet others will issue you one but you can buy one you prefer from an approved list at your own cost if you don't want to use the issue weapon. Here, special deputies for the Sheriff's dept get an approved list and NOT reimbursed, but then again it's not a paid position.
 
2013-01-25 05:25:56 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Around here, it's a given that every sheriff's vehicle carries an AR

/ the reason they need them is all the delusional f*ckwits who rush out to buy them every time they think their precious right to blow the f*ck out of things is threatened


L.A. cops have had them in the cars since the North Hollywood shootout. Mostly because of the realization that anyone can order military-level body armor online and that 9-mm rounds just bounce off that stuff.
 
2013-01-25 05:26:10 AM  

TheJoe03: Ow! That was my feelings!: I'm willing to turn in my AR if the Cops do the same. That is my gun owner compromise. Yeah, never gonna happen, we are farked.

I feel the same. You hear people on the gun control side talk up a place like the UK's gun policy, and that's fine, but even there they disarmed the regular cops as well.


This is very funny when you consider the fact that England has a higher violent crime rate than the US, or even South Africa.
 
2013-01-25 05:28:01 AM  

Spaced Lion: TheJoe03: Ow! That was my feelings!: I'm willing to turn in my AR if the Cops do the same. That is my gun owner compromise. Yeah, never gonna happen, we are farked.

I feel the same. You hear people on the gun control side talk up a place like the UK's gun policy, and that's fine, but even there they disarmed the regular cops as well.

This is very funny when you consider the fact that England has a higher violent crime rate than the US, or even South Africa.


This has been covered before, but the UK tallies violent crime much differently than the United States does. In the UK, it only takes the "potential" for violence to be counted as a violent crime, i.e. the victim felt threatened.
 
2013-01-25 05:30:08 AM  
70% of this thread was like sticking a fork in my left eyeball and then having my face melt. But I made it through!

/to this point, anyway
 
2013-01-25 05:30:23 AM  

BronyMedic: violentsalvation: I have a Bulgarian Makarov, neat little pistol.

COMMUNIST! I bet you voted for Obummer too! :P



A good design is a good design. I don't care what type of government it comes from. The Makarov is perhaps the greatest little blowback design ever made. If you aren't armed, that may be the one for you.
 
2013-01-25 05:32:02 AM  

BronyMedic: Spaced Lion: TheJoe03: Ow! That was my feelings!: I'm willing to turn in my AR if the Cops do the same. That is my gun owner compromise. Yeah, never gonna happen, we are farked.

I feel the same. You hear people on the gun control side talk up a place like the UK's gun policy, and that's fine, but even there they disarmed the regular cops as well.

This is very funny when you consider the fact that England has a higher violent crime rate than the US, or even South Africa.

This has been covered before, but the UK tallies violent crime much differently than the United States does. In the UK, it only takes the "potential" for violence to be counted as a violent crime, i.e. the victim felt threatened.


Would be interested to see that in Fark.Com terms. Many here seem to feel threatened.
 
2013-01-25 05:32:03 AM  

muck4doo: BronyMedic: violentsalvation: I have a Bulgarian Makarov, neat little pistol.

COMMUNIST! I bet you voted for Obummer too! :P


A good design is a good design. I don't care what type of government it comes from. The Makarov is perhaps the greatest little blowback design ever made (for the price). If you aren't armed, that may be the one for you.


FTFY ;-)
 
2013-01-25 05:33:32 AM  

Fail in Human Form: muck4doo: BronyMedic: violentsalvation: I have a Bulgarian Makarov, neat little pistol.

COMMUNIST! I bet you voted for Obummer too! :P


A good design is a good design. I don't care what type of government it comes from. The Makarov is perhaps the greatest little blowback design ever made (for the price). If you aren't armed, that may be the one for you.

FTFY ;-)


You going to spend a few extra hundred dollars on a Walther?
 
2013-01-25 05:34:36 AM  
The back of the hand biting Walther?
 
2013-01-25 05:35:42 AM  

muck4doo: Fail in Human Form: muck4doo: BronyMedic: violentsalvation: I have a Bulgarian Makarov, neat little pistol.

COMMUNIST! I bet you voted for Obummer too! :P


A good design is a good design. I don't care what type of government it comes from. The Makarov is perhaps the greatest little blowback design ever made (for the price). If you aren't armed, that may be the one for you.

FTFY ;-)

You going to spend a few extra hundred dollars on a Walther?


Why put a price on SWAG?

l1.yimg.com

That gun has gotten him more pussy than a PETA Kill shelter.

/Walther P99 is a great looking firearm, btw.
 
2013-01-25 05:36:01 AM  

muck4doo: Fail in Human Form: muck4doo: BronyMedic: violentsalvation: I have a Bulgarian Makarov, neat little pistol.

COMMUNIST! I bet you voted for Obummer too! :P


A good design is a good design. I don't care what type of government it comes from. The Makarov is perhaps the greatest little blowback design ever made (for the price). If you aren't armed, that may be the one for you.

FTFY ;-)

You going to spend a few extra hundred dollars on a Walther?


I have both...well 3 actually... Bulgarian Makarov, PPK/S (.380) and PP (.32) :-)
 
2013-01-25 05:36:38 AM  
The Makarov is 10x better than anything Walther ever came up with. Or did you have another blowback in mind?
 
2013-01-25 05:36:50 AM  

muck4doo: The back of the hand biting Walther?


The PPK/S kinda fixed that, although after shooting for a while I do notice carbon marks from the slide on the webbing of my hand.
 
2013-01-25 05:37:24 AM  

muck4doo: The Makarov is 10x better than anything Walther ever came up with. Or did you have another blowback in mind?


VP70 count?
 
2013-01-25 05:39:23 AM  
When I saw this I thought it would be the Fontana Ca School Police getting AR-15s! It bothers me that so many cops now have these at their disposal, but school cops, are not most school cops rejects from real police forces? Link
 
2013-01-25 05:41:48 AM  
Kids. Don't listen to these men. Fire a Makarov. Fire a Walther. One fits your hand and fires beautifully with 9x18 ammunition. The other bites the web of your hand, fires like shiat, and costs hundreds dollars more. It also fires .380 ammunition. Yeah, the choice is clear. If you want to try to pretend to be James Bond buy a crappy Walther.
 
2013-01-25 05:42:07 AM  

just_another_asshole/jaa: When I saw this I thought it would be the Fontana Ca School Police getting AR-15s! It bothers me that so many cops now have these at their disposal, but school cops, are not most school cops rejects from real police forces? Link


If you're talking about college school cops, they're typically trained in the same school that State Police/State Troopers go to, and are considered state employees.

If you're talking about School Resource Officers, they're typically hired specifically for that purpose, or it's a "retirement" type of position given out to officers who only have a few years left till their pension kicks in. SROs are considered a "vacation" duty posting, as they rarely have to do anything physical, and spend most of their time mentoring or setting around relaxing.

If you want rejects, they're the ones typically found handling reports or working in the motor pool.
 
2013-01-25 05:43:14 AM  

muck4doo: Kids. Don't listen to these men. Fire a Makarov. Fire a Walther. One fits your hand and fires beautifully with 9x18 ammunition. The other bites the web of your hand, fires like shiat, and costs hundreds dollars more. It also fires .380 ammunition. Yeah, the choice is clear. If you want to try to pretend to be James Bond buy a crappy Walther.


Or if you want to be a dirty, filthy Russian whore, fire a Makarov. Real Men use classic german styling.

www.imfdb.org
 
2013-01-25 05:43:17 AM  

NewportBarGuy: If you need a rifle with a 30 round clip to go hunting, there are two reasons why:

1) You are a sh*t shot.
2) You harbor fantasies of a world collapse, invest in gold, listen to Glenn Beck, and want to overthrow they tyrannical government,

In short, idiotic.



Quick protip: the 2nd amendment isn't about hunting

/gun thread!!
//taking a shot
///of whiskey
 
2013-01-25 05:43:56 AM  
My current dilemma is... do I place a "kick'em all out" bid on the mags I'm trying to get on gunbroker, put a bid in on some Ruger BX-25 mags, or buy more 7.62x39... choices :-/

/Also kicking around the idea of buying a Tokarev but I already have a CZ-52
//What say you Farkers?
 
2013-01-25 05:44:10 AM  

Fail in Human Form: muck4doo: The back of the hand biting Walther?

The PPK/S kinda fixed that, although after shooting for a while I do notice carbon marks from the slide on the webbing of my hand.


Believe me. I wanted to like those pistols, but couldn't. Walthers rely on legend, and aren't good. Kind of like Colt.
 
2013-01-25 05:45:18 AM  

BronyMedic: muck4doo: Kids. Don't listen to these men. Fire a Makarov. Fire a Walther. One fits your hand and fires beautifully with 9x18 ammunition. The other bites the web of your hand, fires like shiat, and costs hundreds dollars more. It also fires .380 ammunition. Yeah, the choice is clear. If you want to try to pretend to be James Bond buy a crappy Walther.

Or if you want to be a dirty, filthy Russian whore, fire a Makarov. Real Men use classic german styling.

[www.imfdb.org image 600x338]


Nice! :)
 
2013-01-25 05:46:14 AM  

muck4doo: Fail in Human Form: muck4doo: The back of the hand biting Walther?

The PPK/S kinda fixed that, although after shooting for a while I do notice carbon marks from the slide on the webbing of my hand.

Believe me. I wanted to like those pistols, but couldn't. Walthers rely on legend, and aren't good. Kind of like Colt.


If you've got "meaty" hands I'd say Makarov all day... and I agree about Colt

/Good weapons but the price depends on the name
 
2013-01-25 05:48:07 AM  

BronyMedic: muck4doo: The Makarov is 10x better than anything Walther ever came up with. Or did you have another blowback in mind?

VP70 count?


No.
 
2013-01-25 05:58:15 AM  
The best war is not to get in war at all. But if you are going to have weapons, know them.

/War is stupid.
 
2013-01-25 06:01:16 AM  

muck4doo: The best war is not to get in war at all. But if you are going to have weapons, know them.

/War is stupid.


Sometimes you need a 30 year war. That's what humans do.
 
2013-01-25 06:04:28 AM  

Deep Contact: muck4doo: The best war is not to get in war at all. But if you are going to have weapons, know them.

/War is stupid.

Sometimes you need a 30 year war. That's what humans do.


Due to the cost of a modern military operation, a 30 year war would be ruinous.
 
2013-01-25 06:05:04 AM  

Deep Contact: muck4doo: The best war is not to get in war at all. But if you are going to have weapons, know them.

/War is stupid.

Sometimes you need a 30 year war. That's what humans do.


It's not the tools that kill. It's the stupidity of those handling them. That's something Feinstein will never get. The Happy Land murders in NYC killed 87. That was done with a match and some fuel.The guy is eligible for parole in 2015.
 
2013-01-25 06:06:39 AM  

muck4doo: Deep Contact: muck4doo: The best war is not to get in war at all. But if you are going to have weapons, know them.

/War is stupid.

Sometimes you need a 30 year war. That's what humans do.

It's not the tools that kill. It's the stupidity of those handling them. That's something Feinstein will never get. The Happy Land murders in NYC killed 87. That was done with a match and some fuel.The guy is eligible for parole in 2015.


Feinstein has a vision for the future that isn't hampered by her rhetoric she uses to sell it or facts.
 
2013-01-25 06:09:03 AM  

Fail in Human Form: Deep Contact: muck4doo: The best war is not to get in war at all. But if you are going to have weapons, know them.

/War is stupid.

Sometimes you need a 30 year war. That's what humans do.

Due to the cost of a modern military operation, a 30 year war would be ruinous.


Sounds best not to get involved in them. Our operations have cost us the most defending places like germany, worst korea, and japan. It's time we stop. That's not even bringing up the costs of iraq and afghanistan. Let the Europeans cover it. They did the damage.
 
2013-01-25 06:10:33 AM  

muck4doo: Kids. Don't listen to these men. Fire a Makarov. Fire a Walther. One fits your hand and fires beautifully with 9x18 ammunition. The other bites the web of your hand, fires like shiat, and costs hundreds dollars more. It also fires .380 ammunition. Yeah, the choice is clear. If you want to try to pretend to be James Bond buy a crappy Walther.


i48.tinypic.com
 
2013-01-25 06:12:55 AM  

Fark It: patrol rifles

LOL. When a sniveling citizen wants one they're "military-style assault weapons." When cops want them they're "patrol rifles." Bunch of Orwellian horseshiat.


You picked up on that too.
I find it interesting how the media (an industry that makes its money on words) can throw around an invented term like "assault weapons" and pretend as if it doesn't matter, but when they are ready they can dig up something antiquated like "patrol rifle" to help distinguish good guns from bad guns.


/Also, if they are planning to buy "AR-15's" then good luck. Most places are sold out for the remainder of the year.
/Unless they really intend to buy M-16's, with the happy button option.
/In which case they are buying very bad guns and the reporter is fiercely trying to smooth it over.
 
2013-01-25 06:14:38 AM  

way south: Fark It: patrol rifles

LOL. When a sniveling citizen wants one they're "military-style assault weapons." When cops want them they're "patrol rifles." Bunch of Orwellian horseshiat.

You picked up on that too.
I find it interesting how the media (an industry that makes its money on words) can throw around an invented term like "assault weapons" and pretend as if it doesn't matter, but when they are ready they can dig up something antiquated like "patrol rifle" to help distinguish good guns from bad guns.


/Also, if they are planning to buy "AR-15's" then good luck. Most places are sold out for the remainder of the year.
/Unless they really intend to buy M-16's, with the happy button option.
/In which case they are buying very bad guns and the reporter is fiercely trying to smooth it over.


I'm all for the government buying crappy weapons.
 
2013-01-25 06:15:49 AM  
I think the true Fark-worthy story is over on the right side of the page.  And I wonder if these photos are yet in public domain?
 
2013-01-25 06:24:02 AM  

BronyMedic: just_another_asshole/jaa: When I saw this I thought it would be the Fontana Ca School Police getting AR-15s! It bothers me that so many cops now have these at their disposal, but school cops, are not most school cops rejects from real police forces? Link

If you're talking about college school cops, they're typically trained in the same school that State Police/State Troopers go to, and are considered state employees.

If you're talking about School Resource Officers, they're typically hired specifically for that purpose, or it's a "retirement" type of position given out to officers who only have a few years left till their pension kicks in. SROs are considered a "vacation" duty posting, as they rarely have to do anything physical, and spend most of their time mentoring or setting around relaxing.

If you want rejects, they're the ones typically found handling reports or working in the motor pool.


It is the Fontana Unified school district- high school, middle, elementary, you know the place your children would be going if you lived there, and had/have children!
 
2013-01-25 06:24:59 AM  
Allow me to piss off both sides of this argument by pointing out that these "assault weapons" are jive-ass toys.
They take a low-powered, innaccurate semi-auto carbine and festoon it up with "military" features that are useless to anyone but a soldier in the field, and sell it for a fat markup.
They have two real functions - to con the dollars out of stupid, macho gun-fappers pockets, and to scare the shiat out of ignorant liberals who don't know anything about guns.
That's all they are especially good for - that and enriching those who make and sell them.

Frankly, I'd be embarrassed to be seen with one of the things - in my mind, they all look like this:
i18.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-25 06:26:51 AM  

just_another_asshole/jaa: BronyMedic: just_another_asshole/jaa: When I saw this I thought it would be the Fontana Ca School Police getting AR-15s! It bothers me that so many cops now have these at their disposal, but school cops, are not most school cops rejects from real police forces? Link

If you're talking about college school cops, they're typically trained in the same school that State Police/State Troopers go to, and are considered state employees.

If you're talking about School Resource Officers, they're typically hired specifically for that purpose, or it's a "retirement" type of position given out to officers who only have a few years left till their pension kicks in. SROs are considered a "vacation" duty posting, as they rarely have to do anything physical, and spend most of their time mentoring or setting around relaxing.

If you want rejects, they're the ones typically found handling reports or working in the motor pool.

It is the Fontana Unified school district- high school, middle, elementary, you know the place your children would be going if you lived there, and had/have children!


Does the Fontana School district have a mass murder problem? Or are you being dramatic. Feinstein is there to protect you either way.
 
2013-01-25 06:27:48 AM  

jso2897: Allow me to piss off both sides of this argument by pointing out that these "assault weapons" are jive-ass toys.
They take a low-powered, innaccurate semi-auto carbine and festoon it up with "military" features that are useless to anyone but a soldier in the field, and sell it for a fat markup.
They have two real functions - to con the dollars out of stupid, macho gun-fappers pockets, and to scare the shiat out of ignorant liberals who don't know anything about guns.
That's all they are especially good for - that and enriching those who make and sell them.

Frankly, I'd be embarrassed to be seen with one of the things - in my mind, they all look like this:
[i18.photobucket.com image 640x346]


Are you done?
 
2013-01-25 06:34:41 AM  

jso2897:
They take a low-powered, innaccurate semi-auto carbine


You need to google the "camp perry shooting competition" for starters, then come back here and admit you don't know wtf you're talking about.
 
2013-01-25 06:36:53 AM  
I was so shocked last week when I visited a nearby small town and saw two deputies walk into a store in uniform and they actually looked like people. It was a probably 55 year old physically fit man and his also fit 20-something female partner in dark brown clothing with a single gun each on their belts, no buzz cuts or steroids anywhere in evidence. Three years earlier though I saw one of the city cops at a Subway and he had, I'm not kidding, a Glock on his right hip, a 1911 strapped low on his right thigh gunslinger-style, another Glock backwards on his left hip for the cross-draw, body armor, no neck, shaved head, mirrored sunglasses...who feels safe with somebody looking like that around?

Maybe it's just the difference between city and county. I'd much rather the old man show up at my house if I had a problem than the other guy. Glad I don't live in town.

/Crossville
//GAT_00 knows the town I'm talking about.
///Yes, I know what an actual Glock-brand pistol looks like.
 
2013-01-25 06:37:11 AM  

imasig: "The new guns will ultimately be paid for by the officers themselves who are taking a deduction in their paychecks to make this happen."

Is bring your own gun common in law enforcement?


And, if they are required purchases, they will probably get a tax deduction for them too.
 
2013-01-25 06:40:12 AM  

Koodz: and they actually looked like people.


I can see where you and Gat got shocked.
 
2013-01-25 06:44:07 AM  
From a tactical standpoint, longarms (a category which includes rifles) don't actually make a lot of sense as something to just carry around. Rifles are intimidating -especially in light of recent traumas- but if you don't know in advance exactly when you're going to need a rifle to be ready, it's way too slow to prepare. A SWAT officer can do that -the nature of their calls pretty much means they need guns out by definition- but for your everyday beat cop, a handgun is a far more practical weapon.
 
2013-01-25 06:48:40 AM  

Millennium: From a tactical standpoint, longarms (a category which includes rifles) don't actually make a lot of sense as something to just carry around. Rifles are intimidating -especially in light of recent traumas- but if you don't know in advance exactly when you're going to need a rifle to be ready, it's way too slow to prepare. A SWAT officer can do that -the nature of their calls pretty much means they need guns out by definition- but for your everyday beat cop, a handgun is a far more practical weapon.


They are treated like shotguns, kept in a rack or trunk of a squadcar until they are needed.
 
2013-01-25 06:54:13 AM  

Too many guns lately. Have a Pikaman.

i296.photobucket.com

 
2013-01-25 07:04:53 AM  

Fail in Human Form: violentsalvation: muck4doo: violentsalvation: BronyMedic: fusillade762: BronyMedic:
I prefer a mini-14 myself to ar-15's. I sold mine several years ago, and now wonder if i can ever buy one again when i get the money. I like them because they are fun and cheap to shoot. Also, you try shooting 100 rounds of 30-06 in a session at the target range for rifle practice.

I also prefer a mini-14 over an AR, for everything but coyote calling. I don't care if I scuff up the plastic on my AR laying real low in the mesquite and the dirt. I try to keep the mini 14 out of all that. I love the wood stocks. I own and enjoy shooting "assault rifles" but I'm really traditional in what I actually prefer to shoot.

I never had a mini-14 but I've always heard their accuracy is pretty bad in comparison to an ar-15. Not "minute of pie plate bad" but "4 inch groups at 100 yards bad". Accurate?


The A-Team used them. They seemed to be unable to hit anything but tires.

www.fjcruiserforums.com
 
2013-01-25 07:07:03 AM  

fusillade762: The A-Team used them. They seemed to be unable to hit anything but tires.

[www.fjcruiserforums.com image 720x480]


That's because they pitied the fools ;-)
 
2013-01-25 07:10:18 AM  
Millennium
From a tactical standpoint, longarms (a category which includes rifles) don't actually make a lot of sense as something to just carry around. Rifles are intimidating -especially in light of recent traumas- but if you don't know in advance exactly when you're going to need a rifle to be ready, it's way too slow to prepare. A SWAT officer can do that -the nature of their calls pretty much means they need guns out by definition- but for your everyday beat cop, a handgun is a far more practical weapon.


I have personal experience with these officers. The newer generation of officer in this city are willing to use leadshot gloves when questioning (for purposes of intimidation) and invite themselves into private residences for casual calls.
 
2013-01-25 07:12:29 AM  
khhsdude,
They are treated like shotguns, kept in a rack or trunk of a squadcar until they are needed.


How do you know this for this city?
 
2013-01-25 07:12:48 AM  

NewportBarGuy: NewportBarGuy: Your point?

I thought so, <b>Frank</b>. There is nothing defensible about the AR-15, AK-47, or any other weapon designed primarily for the killing of human beings. "But, it's only single-shot!" Yeah. Wow. You can get the people who know nothing about guns to scratch their head at that, not those who know the weapon.

Three-shot burst vs. no-three-shot-burst... There is no such thing as a fully automatic M4 that is issued to combat MOS in the armed forces that are not SOCOM.

The argument about "machine gun"... total bullsh*t. It's not a "machine gun". SAWs fill that role.

Just yield and move on.


Well, technically all weapons are designed to kill human beings. But I agree with your point.
 
2013-01-25 07:14:37 AM  
If people were serious about stopping gun deaths they'd stop going after law abiding gun owners, target gangs, and remove the prohibition of cannabis. Adopt project exile for the gang members and remaining drug dealers and you'd see a dramatic decrease in gun crime. In addition to trying to improve the economy of impoverished areas.


/So Mr. Gangbanger, you like "popping caps" in people with your "gat"... well here's a minimum 10 year sentence before we even talk about other charges. You're no longer welcome in our society.
 
2013-01-25 07:16:41 AM  

muck4doo: just_another_asshole/jaa: BronyMedic: just_another_asshole/jaa: When I saw this I thought it would be the Fontana Ca School Police getting AR-15s! It bothers me that so many cops now have these at their disposal, but school cops, are not most school cops rejects from real police forces? Link

If you're talking about college school cops, they're typically trained in the same school that State Police/State Troopers go to, and are considered state employees.

If you're talking about School Resource Officers, they're typically hired specifically for that purpose, or it's a "retirement" type of position given out to officers who only have a few years left till their pension kicks in. SROs are considered a "vacation" duty posting, as they rarely have to do anything physical, and spend most of their time mentoring or setting around relaxing.

If you want rejects, they're the ones typically found handling reports or working in the motor pool.

It is the Fontana Unified school district- high school, middle, elementary, you know the place your children would be going if you lived there, and had/have children!

Does the Fontana School district have a mass murder problem? Or are you being dramatic. Feinstein is there to protect you either way.


No, actually this video from the CBS Evening news says they have never even had a killing at the schools! Link
 
2013-01-25 07:31:12 AM  
That's funny, that's the same reason I wanted every gun I've every bought.
 
2013-01-25 07:31:51 AM  

violentsalvation: The backdoor registration bothers me, because that has a hint of "oh hey we changed our minds, fork it over". I'd hope legislation allowing private parties to access the NICS would understand that a private sale is not the same as someone who is explicitly in the business of selling firearms


In terms of preventing criminals or mentally unstable from getting guns there is no difference.
 
2013-01-25 07:34:42 AM  

Bucky Katt: Di Atribe: Bucky Katt: The city's official motto is "city of 5 seasons". But the Quaker Oats plant downtown puts out some very fascinating smells.

Is one of the smells "cedar" or is it all oatmeal flavors? I might visit if there's a "maple brown sugar" season.

It's all oatmeal smells. The city is sited on the Cedar river.


Not true - there are chicken nugget smells from Tyson too!
 
2013-01-25 07:35:08 AM  

Bucky Katt: Frank N Stein: Frank N Stein: whole

derp

did you just derp yourself?


I went blind for a while doing that....
/Technically it *would* put a whole through her skull. A whole bullet.
 
2013-01-25 07:36:04 AM  
We live in a nation who's primary military defense strategy is to burn the entire world to a crisp in a giant hail of last stand glory... if you're killin us, we're taking EVERYONE down with us.

.... and then we act like our citizens are crazy when they find comfort in adopting a similar strategy for their own personal/home defense.

I personally think the fact that pushing your fellow man "over the edge" carries the risk of them going postal with a firearm is a fascinating facet of American life... and one that is not without its advantages to society.
 
2013-01-25 07:45:54 AM  

Millennium: From a tactical standpoint, longarms (a category which includes rifles) don't actually make a lot of sense as something to just carry around. Rifles are intimidating -especially in light of recent traumas- but if you don't know in advance exactly when you're going to need a rifle to be ready, it's way too slow to prepare. A SWAT officer can do that -the nature of their calls pretty much means they need guns out by definition- but for your everyday beat cop, a handgun is a far more practical weapon.


And it's also practical to have a long gun stored within quick (like two minute) access. Just makes sense if responding where a shooting has occurred, given how much easier it is to shoot an AR-15 than a pistol. An AR is safer because it is so much more accurate and has a much better range, but of course no one (who is reasonable) thinks the police officers would be carrying these AR15s around as they walk around all the time.

A whole lot of anti gun hysteria these days, sadly.

Rifles of all kinds killed like 300 people last year. Fists killed more people.

'If it can save just one life' is always the mantra of those trying to trade freedom and rights for a little security. Be it our Miranda rights or anti gun or whatever else.
 
2013-01-25 07:48:50 AM  

liam76: violentsalvation: The backdoor registration bothers me, because that has a hint of "oh hey we changed our minds, fork it over". I'd hope legislation allowing private parties to access the NICS would understand that a private sale is not the same as someone who is explicitly in the business of selling firearms

In terms of preventing criminals or mentally unstable from getting guns there is no difference.


In terms of your privacy, there is a big difference.
You are effectively making public an instant access list of "untrustworthy persons", which is as bad as publicizing the no-fly list depending on how its handled.

Quite a few people will end up having a problem with this when they realize what it could mean.

/and it still doesn't answer the question of why we have a growing problem with mentally unstable people.
/keeping weapons out of their hands may prove to be a poor exchange when compared to what we have to give up.
 
2013-01-25 07:49:43 AM  

NewportBarGuy: FEAR them? What the f*ck is the matter with you? They are combat rifles. They are designed to kill people. That is a simple fact. Just because you choose to ignore their design purpose, does not make you any less stupid for asserting their noble qualities.


Isn't that what a cop's sidearms is designed to do? Or any gun for that matter. I have yet to see a fire arm that's designed NOT to kill people.
 
2013-01-25 07:53:43 AM  

Frank N Stein:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 772x215] MILITARY RIFLE! WE'RE DOOMED


One, please. I loves me a Sharps rifle.
 
2013-01-25 08:00:41 AM  

honk: Frank N Stein:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 772x215] MILITARY RIFLE! WE'RE DOOMED

One, please. I loves me a Sharps rifle.


Ditto

/Paging Mr.Quigley
 
2013-01-25 08:01:53 AM  
The Illinois State Police mostly replaced the shotguns in their cars with AR-15s years ago.
 
2013-01-25 08:05:11 AM  

Frank N Stein: NewportBarGuy: A rifle that fires 5.56mm, even in single-shot iterations, with a 30-round clip?

5.56 sounds like an overkill. They should carry something in .223


Good fishing, you got a bite right away (one comment in between).
Your first guppy is the kind of person who Democrats are playing up to, ignorant and proud of it.
 
2013-01-25 08:06:58 AM  
The officers would be allowed to carry these weapons in their police vehicles once properly trained, and would be only used to neutralize a potential threat kill someone's family member, according to Daugherty.

better, more truthier
 
2013-01-25 08:07:08 AM  
i.imgur.com
Give 'em a 45/70 Govt and tell 'em "Shut the fark up!"
Really no reason to carry a pussified AR-15 around. Carry a damn man's rifle, wussies.
 
2013-01-25 08:09:10 AM  

jso2897: Allow me to piss off both sides of this argument by pointing out that these "assault weapons" are jive-ass toys.
They take a low-powered, innaccurate semi-auto carbine and festoon it up with "military" features that are useless to anyone but a soldier in the field, and sell it for a fat markup.
They have two real functions - to con the dollars out of stupid, macho gun-fappers pockets, and to scare the shiat out of ignorant liberals who don't know anything about guns.
That's all they are especially good for - that and enriching those who make and sell them.

Frankly, I'd be embarrassed to be seen with one of the things - in my mind, they all look like this:
[i18.photobucket.com image 640x346]


Have you ever fired anything other than NATO out of an AR-15? Some of the rounds are solid hunting/distant target shooting.
 
2013-01-25 08:14:19 AM  
I'm surprised they aren't already. I was at a kid car show and the local cops were there. Flatfoots had ARs in their cruisers. S.W.A.T. guys had M4s.
 
2013-01-25 08:14:25 AM  
The next thing you know, they are going to be running around with high caliber "automatic" handguns designed for the sole purpose of killing people.

/not serious. They already have those.
 
2013-01-25 08:14:54 AM  

NewportBarGuy: fusillade762: Blame these guys:

Why?

Something that happened 20 years ago in a city with a SWAT unit has what relevance to this debate? None. Your answer is: NONE.

Reload and take aim.


Besides which, had the officers in question been armed with bolt-action .30'06 rifles, they would have made short work of those two. Had they been armed with pretty much any kind of deer rifle, including lever-action .30-30's, they would have been able to stop them sooner.

The problem is that most of the responding police had shotguns in their cars, but no rifles. This put them at a disadvantage in two distinct ways.

First, shotguns have a limited range. If they are firing buckshot, the effective range is actually rather short, perhaps 40 or 50 yards max depending on the choke. Beyond that, you can't guarantee that you'll hit the target with enough buckshot to be effective. Using slugs and putting "ghost ring" sights on the shotgun can extend that range to maybe 75 or at most 100 yards.

Second, most body armor like that used by those two criminals will stop buckshot and slugs. It's much harder to stop a .30'06 FMJ round.

A rifle like that sighted out to 150 yards will give you "point blank" engagement to almost 200 yards.

The slower rate of fire is less a disadvantage then you might think in that sort of engagement. It is better to shoot more slowly but have an effective gun when you have a numbers advantage against your opponent. You're individual lack of "firepower" is made up for in numbers. Hits against the target are much more likely to be effective.

The reverse is actually true if you are a single person, or a handful of people, going up against a large mob, like an LA Riot-type of situation: You want a lot of bullets, and you can sacrifice penetration ability because the people aren't generally wearing armor.
 
2013-01-25 08:15:25 AM  
images3.wikia.nocookie.net
We need to have these through out our towns and cities, there is no other way to keep safe from all the people with guns.
 
2013-01-25 08:18:09 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Frank N Stein: RIFLE! WE'RE DOOMED

I love how you've excluded those with a 30 round clip.

That's not very 'well regulated' of you.


The Garand only accepts 8 round En Bloc "Clips" of 30.06 (or modified ones that hold less) however it does have a bayonet mount, handguard and multiple sling attachment points so it's now illegal in NY. Funny that it scares NY politicians shiatless but they are OK with a single shot .338 Lapua Magnum that will shoot through both sides of an armored limo at 500 yards.
 
2013-01-25 08:18:51 AM  
It's only an "assault weapon" when you want to own one. When the government uses them, its called a Personal Defense Weapon
 
2013-01-25 08:18:55 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Frank N Stein: But Fark told me that AR-15s were designed for the sole purpose of killing as many people as possible in the quickest amount of time.

Because that is entirely accurate. The AR-15 is designed to put down human beings in short fashion. That is exactly what it was designed for.

Your point?


If that is what the AR-15 is designed for, it fails in comparison to the alternatives.
i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-25 08:23:23 AM  

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Yeah like I'd stick my dick in anything that ends in "stein."


I made that mistake once. I was really drunk.
4.bp.blogspot.com

I got it stuck in there, so I had to finish my beer by laying on my back and doing pelvic thrusts over my head.
 
2013-01-25 08:24:33 AM  

wildlifer: muck4doo: Fail in Human Form: violentsalvation: muck4doo: violentsalvation: BronyMedic: fusillade762: BronyMedic: There's no cure for stupid this incredible.

Wait... just to be clear, which one of us is stupid? If it's me please feel free to say so. It wouldn't be the first time. Or the last.

Oh, no. I'm talking about NewportBarGuy's insane trolling through this entire thread. Plus his attempt to one-up FLYNAVY.


You're seriously calling him out for arguing with and semi-trolling a drunk guy? Please tell us more about your medical heroics and why your gun-toting counterparts need modern sporting rifles anymore than anyone else, DRIVEAMBULANCE.

I prefer a mini-14 myself to ar-15's. I sold mine several years ago, and now wonder if i can ever buy one again when i get the money. I like them because they are fun and cheap to shoot. Also, you try shooting 100 rounds of 30-06 in a session at the target range for rifle practice.

I also prefer a mini-14 over an AR, for everything but coyote calling. I don't care if I scuff up the plastic on my AR laying real low in the mesquite and the dirt. I try to keep the mini 14 out of all that. I love the wood stocks. I own and enjoy shooting "assault rifles" but I'm really traditional in what I actually prefer to shoot.

I never had a mini-14 but I've always heard their accuracy is pretty bad in comparison to an ar-15. Not "minute of pie plate bad" but "4 inch groups at 100 yards bad". Accurate?

Accurate enough. The CA dept of corrections trusts them enough to arm their watch tower guards with them at their prisons. I liked them because they were simpler than the ar-15. It's the same reason I got a Browning Buck Mark pistol instead of the Ruger, even though both had about the same accuracy, but the Ruger more durability. The Buck Mark is just a lot easier to strip, clean, and take care of. Though I found out the hard way little parts can go wrong, even on the simpler pistol. Had a Glock 22(.40 S&W) for years, never a problem. Fo ...


They have AR-15s in 30-06 now? I thought .308 was the biggest... Hell, I might have to look into one of those puppies.
 
2013-01-25 08:25:21 AM  



This is the gun the Iowa police need to feel safe.

www.evike.com

 
2013-01-25 08:28:44 AM  

NewportBarGuy: A rifle that fires 5.56mm, even in single-shot iterations, with a 30-round clip? No f*cking need in the world that a beat cop needs that sh*t.

I'd like to prohibit them from even being allowed to buy surplus military equipment.

This is ridiculous.

"If the police department and the police officers think it's necessary I would defer to their judgment," Kim Teneick said.

Go f*ck yourself, Kim.


Nope, not a reason at ALL that patrol officers would need them...

unless.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout

Some how, two guys
for giggles, lets say these two
upload.wikimedia.org
were able able to out gun multiple officers with weapons that were better capable for a shootout at a distance then the standard issued hand gun and could simply just out do, out perform and out shoot what every officer had on scene making it so dire that police officers had to literally go to the gun store in order to compete.

But.... that would never happen....

/I for one, would like to welcome this PD to today's day and age were most police departments have been carrying this rifle for quite some time already.
//The action and decision to carry them was for the most part based upon the north Hollywood shootout when police departments across the country realized that they could easily be out gunned on the street and another tool was needed to be able to compete against those who chose to do harm with bigger and better weaponry then a pistol.
 
2013-01-25 08:29:20 AM  

dittybopper: an LA Riot-type of situation: You want a lot of bullets, and you can sacrifice penetration ability because the people aren't generally wearing armor.


lol reminds me of that story about the national guard deploying to LA during the riots... squad gets assigned to backup some cops on a shots fired call. Guy is in his house with a shotgun, had fired through the door at the cops when they approached. So lead cop says "OK guys, cover me while I approach the house". Cop almost has a heart attack as gunfire erupts all around him as the soldiers lay waste to the house. As soon as the shooting stops, a shotgun is promptly tossed out the window and the suspect surrenders.

What happened? When cops say "Cover me", they mean to ready your weapon and be prepared to shoot if you have to. In the military, when someone says "cover me", it is interpreted as cover via suppressing fire.

Funny things, words.
 
2013-01-25 08:30:03 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Frank N Stein: RIFLE! WE'RE DOOMED

I love how you've excluded those with a 30 round clip.

That's not very 'well regulated' of you.


If you want to start that argument, a proper militia in the modern context would have gun storage safes in their homes in which there would be not a semiautomatic rifle, but a fully selective fire M-16A2 or similar rifle along with a quantity of 30 round clips, ammunition, a combat vest, and other military gear. Members of the militia would be required to meet at least every few months for rifle practice and training, and Congress would be appointing officers to lead them...oh by the way, service would be mandatory unless you have some sort of physical or mental disability or were under or over a certain age. No women allowed, though under current law I think we can now make an exception. Hope you are ready.
 
2013-01-25 08:32:33 AM  

Tymast: [images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 180x297]
We need to have these through out our towns and cities, there is no other way to keep safe from all the people with guns.


Buy an Atlas, and you too can see what it feels like to hold the power of the gods in your hands.

If it took more than one shot, you weren't using a Jakobs!

Is shooting bullets just not cool enough for you? Get a Maliwan, and light some people on fire!

my 3 favorite quotes
 
2013-01-25 08:32:45 AM  

muck4doo: Fail in Human Form: muck4doo: Had a Glock 22(.40 S&W) for years, n ...

My only gripe about a Glock, and keep in mind I carry my Glock 36 daily, is that you have to get used to the trigger. My accuracy with it was pretty low compared to my other pistols until I got used to it through several range trips.

It comes with practice. You're going to have that long first pull, but if you practice with it, you will learn Glock. After that first heavy long pull, you only have to move your finger forward a little. You will feel a click. It's a hair trigger at that point. If you practice, you will be amazed at the double and triple taps you can do. Triple taps are a waste, doubles work nice. With practice you learn how to place your finger to just about make that second shot almost automatically happen. I say triple taps are a waste because my time with Glock was with model 22(.40 S&W). By the time your third tap came on doing that method the barrel would be pointing about 45 degrees up because of recoil. It's a wasted shot. That might not be the case with the Glock 17, but it was the case I found with the 22. Next time you go to the range, slow fire that first shot. Then slowly let you finger move forward. You will be surprised at how little it needs to go to give you a light and crisp trigger pull on the follow up. Training. Training. Training.


LEOs tyoically have the NYC trigger. Glock actually called it that because they had to make it specifically for them with a higher trigger weight pull. Obstensibly to reduce negligent discharge, it has the side effect of reducing accuracy. Which explains why NYC cops always take out a few innocent bystanders anytime they use their weapon.

If you are buying a civilian model, make sure to research its trigger weight pull and don't buy the LEO model.
 
2013-01-25 08:33:43 AM  
Gun 'tards are out early today.
 
2013-01-25 08:33:49 AM  

NewportBarGuy: A rifle that fires 5.56mm, even in single-shot iterations, with a 30-round clip? No f*cking need in the world that a beat cop needs that sh*t.

I'd like to prohibit them from even being allowed to buy surplus military equipment.

This is ridiculous.

"If the police department and the police officers think it's necessary I would defer to their judgment," Kim Teneick said.

Go f*ck yourself, Kim.


So as a private Canadian citizen you might disagree with the fact I legaly own an M-14 which fires a 7.62mm round. Tell you what, I will only fire .308 rounds through it instead and I also use clips that are blocked to only hold 5 rounds each.
 
2013-01-25 08:34:00 AM  

MikeSass: NewportBarGuy: Frank N Stein: But Fark told me that AR-15s were designed for the sole purpose of killing as many people as possible in the quickest amount of time.

Because that is entirely accurate. The AR-15 is designed to put down human beings in short fashion. That is exactly what it was designed for.

Your point?

If that is what the AR-15 is designed for, it fails in comparison to the alternatives.
[i.imgur.com image 470x690]


I see your measly truck bomb and raise you one Manhattan Project.

rogerhollander.files.wordpress.com

/humans are, indeed, scumbags
 
2013-01-25 08:36:11 AM  

SpectroBoy: This is the gun the Iowa police need to feel safe.

[www.evike.com image 640x391]


Is that a knife or a joystick?
 
2013-01-25 08:37:18 AM  

RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: MikeSass: NewportBarGuy: Frank N Stein: But Fark told me that AR-15s were designed for the sole purpose of killing as many people as possible in the quickest amount of time.

Because that is entirely accurate. The AR-15 is designed to put down human beings in short fashion. That is exactly what it was designed for.

Your point?

If that is what the AR-15 is designed for, it fails in comparison to the alternatives.
[i.imgur.com image 470x690]

I see your measly truck bomb and raise you one Manhattan Project.

[rogerhollander.files.wordpress.com image 850x602]

/humans are, indeed, scumbags


If atomic bombs are outlawed, only outlaws will have atomic bombs
 
2013-01-25 08:39:06 AM  

randomjsa: AR-15? Wimps.

[farm2.static.flickr.com image 500x332]


www.colonydrop.com
Anna sees what you did there.


There is only one counter to your penis replacement:
thecartdriver.com
Erectdacocky. The ultimate deterrent.


www.craiglotter.co.za
/Cosplay bonus
 
2013-01-25 08:40:17 AM  

henryhill: Gun 'tards are out early today.


No choice. Control freaks never sleep.
 
2013-01-25 08:42:14 AM  
If people need them for militias to overthrow the government then cops need them to stop the militias.
 
2013-01-25 08:44:34 AM  

Braggi: If people need them for militias to overthrow the government then cops need them to stop the militias.


State and local police are the only real organized militia we've got.
 
2013-01-25 08:45:02 AM  

MassAsster: Some how, two guys
for giggles, lets say these two

were able able to out gun multiple officers with weapons that were better capable for a shootout at a distance then the standard issued hand gun and could simply just out do, out perform and out shoot what every officer had on scene making it so dire that police officers had to literally go to the gun store in order to compete.


Wait, you're saying that rifles are more capable than pistols? I'm *SHOCKED*.
 
2013-01-25 08:46:51 AM  

Fark It: patrol rifles

LOL. When a sniveling citizen wants one they're "military-style assault weapons." When cops want them they're "patrol rifles." Bunch of Orwellian horseshiat.


I also like the provision of Feinstein's new "assault weapons" bill that government officials will be exempt from the bill.

Some animals are more equal than others.

Head down and keep working, Citizen!
/Seriously, at what point does the average frog get worried about the water temperature?
//Seriously, at what point does the average follower Leftie wake up and take off the rose-colored glasses?

t0.gstatic.com
 
2013-01-25 08:48:06 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Frank N Stein: But Fark told me that AR-15s were designed for the sole purpose of killing as many people as possible in the quickest amount of time.

Because that is entirely accurate. The AR-15 is designed to put down human beings in short fashion. That is exactly what it was designed for.

Your point?


Are we next going to ban swords, since they actually have no purpose other than killing other human beings as well?

Actually the AR-15 and similar are extremely good at taking out smaller mammals and provide many people with an excellent quality, general purpose hunting rifle that doesn't need to be reloaded every couple of minutes. Do people NEED one? No. But do people NEED a vehicle that can go over 65-70 mph? No. Do you NEED to indulge in a package of Oreos? No. Do you NEED a latte in the morning? No. Yet, vehicles, fatty fast food, and caffeine contribute directly or indirectly to more health problems and deaths in the US than "assault" rifles and we're not banning those things either.

Stop the whole "it looks mean!" bullshiat. You really want to stop mass killings, go to the source, not a tool.
 
2013-01-25 08:48:32 AM  

Braggi: If people need them for militias to overthrow the government then cops need them to stop the militias.


And vice-versa. It's a nice little balance-of-power there. You know what you have when the police have a monopoly on the use of force? A police state.
 
2013-01-25 08:49:35 AM  
Homeland security posted a recieving bids blurb on a government contract eebsite for AR15 patterned personal defense weapons. They really make a case as to how well suited the AR platform is for personal defense due to the ARs size, modability, and reliability.

Cant link on mobile but if interested google homeland security AR personal defense weapon.

Of course the authoritarians here think only government should be able to defend themselves.....against dogs and OWS types.
 
2013-01-25 08:52:03 AM  

hdhale: NewportBarGuy: Frank N Stein: RIFLE! WE'RE DOOMED

I love how you've excluded those with a 30 round clip.

That's not very 'well regulated' of you.

If you want to start that argument, a proper militia in the modern context would have gun storage safes in their homes in which there would be not a semiautomatic rifle, but a fully selective fire M-16A2 or similar rifle along with a quantity of 30 round clips, ammunition, a combat vest, and other military gear. Members of the militia would be required to meet at least every few months for rifle practice and training, and Congress would be appointing officers to lead them...oh by the way, service would be mandatory unless you have some sort of physical or mental disability or were under or over a certain age. No women allowed, though under current law I think we can now make an exception. Hope you are ready.


This is true. Except for appointing officers. That was reserved to the States. And although not spelled out, was understood that the militia themselves would be voting their own officers. Though congress could outline training standards. When called upon, you could possibly pay a fee to have someone else stand in for you.

Since modern states are much larger than their colonial counterparts. It may be understood to have county or municipal militias. Otherwise you'll probably just wind up with State armies.
 
2013-01-25 08:53:18 AM  
Cole Phelps keeps a full auto in his auto.
media.rockstargames.com
 
2013-01-25 08:53:27 AM  

Tymast: [images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 180x297]
We need to have these through out our towns and cities, there is no other way to keep safe from all the people with guns.


Win.
 
2013-01-25 08:55:02 AM  

Giltric: Homeland security posted a recieving bids blurb on a government contract eebsite for AR15 patterned personal defense weapons. They really make a case as to how well suited the AR platform is for personal defense due to the ARs size, modability, and reliability.

Cant link on mobile but if interested google homeland security AR personal defense weapon.

Of course the authoritarians here think only government should be able to defend themselves.....against dogs and OWS types.


I posted the link upthread a bit.
 
2013-01-25 08:55:41 AM  

BronyMedic: Public Savant: FTA: The officers would be allowed to carry these weapons in their police vehicles once properly trained, and would be only used to neutralize a potential threat, according to Daugherty.

So what the hell have they been using their sidearm for all these years?!

Yeah, why would patrolmen need assault rifles, anyway? (Video NSFW, shows cops getting ambushed and murdered) I mean, they'd never need a reason to use them, right? (Video NSFW, shows cops getting ambushed and shot, and bad-ass gamewarden fu with an M4 rifle.)

/West Memphis, 2010.


Goddamn, game warden guy, the fark! Talk about a saving throw. Hardcore.
 
2013-01-25 08:56:25 AM  

hdhale: NewportBarGuy: Frank N Stein: But Fark told me that AR-15s were designed for the sole purpose of killing as many people as possible in the quickest amount of time.

Because that is entirely accurate. The AR-15 is designed to put down human beings in short fashion. That is exactly what it was designed for.

Your point?

Are we next going to ban swords, since they actually have no purpose other than killing other human beings as well?

Actually the AR-15 and similar are extremely good at taking out smaller mammals and provide many people with an excellent quality, general purpose hunting rifle that doesn't need to be reloaded every couple of minutes. Do people NEED one? No. But do people NEED a vehicle that can go over 65-70 mph? No. Do you NEED to indulge in a package of Oreos? No. Do you NEED a latte in the morning? No. Yet, vehicles, fatty fast food, and caffeine contribute directly or indirectly to more health problems and deaths in the US than "assault" rifles and we're not banning those things either.

Stop the whole "it looks mean!" bullshiat. You really want to stop mass killings, go to the source, not a tool.


Most "assault weapons ban" advocates are tools themselves, thus "going after tools" is the most familiar method for them.
 
2013-01-25 08:56:32 AM  
it's looking more and more like Mexico every day
 
2013-01-25 09:04:43 AM  

hdhale: Actually the AR-15 and similar are extremely good at taking out smaller mammals and provide many people with an excellent quality, general purpose hunting rifle that doesn't need to be reloaded every couple of minutes.


One of the things people also don't generally recognize is the difference between the AR-15 of 1994 and the AR-15 of today: Today, you can swap the upper receiver/barrel assembly for a bunch of different calibers for different purposes. You might have a standard AR-15 upper in .223 Remington for self-defense use, another in the same caliber but with a heavy barrel and scope for varmint hunting or target shooting, another in a larger caliber like 6.8mm SPC or 7.62x39mm for deer hunting, and a *BIG* caliber like .50 Beowulf or .450 Bushmaster for things like bears.

All of those cartridges fit in a standard AR-15 magazine, and because you use the same basic design for the upper receiver/barrel assembly, and you use the same exact lower receiver/stock assembly, you don't have to get used to handling multiple rifles.

You can even get AR-15 uppers in .22 LR, though you can't use the same magazines with them, obviously.

The AR-15 has become the "Swiss Army Knife" of the gun world because it is so flexible and extendable, and with proper tuning, it's about as accurate as you can make a semi-automatic rifle. It's useful for home defense use, hunting of just about any game animal you will find in North America including large, dangerous game like brown bears, and down to squirrels and rabbits (using different calibers, of course), and it's accurate enough that it's commonly used for target shooting.

In fact, it's common enough, and flexible enough, that there is zero way a ban on AR-15s can be either constitutional or effective.
 
2013-01-25 09:05:01 AM  

Frank N Stein: NewportBarGuy: Frank N Stein: constitutional implications.

Blacks were 3/5ths a person. Women had no vote.

Preach to me again about the import of that f*cking piece of paper.

"There was slavery 150 years ago, therefore the federal government should be able to institute an official religion"

Cool argument, bro.


Love it when people pick and choose parts of the Constitution.

It's sooooooooo creative.
 
2013-01-25 09:05:01 AM  
i.imgur.com

oblig
 
2013-01-25 09:06:15 AM  

Frank N Stein: NewportBarGuy: Semi/Burst.

Jesus.

NewportBarGuy: Nope. I'm just a sh*t talker.

Carry on like you own the place.

Don't get your Jamies Wrangled. I understand you fear black rifles. It's because their black, isn't it?


The whole 2nd amendment is racist.
 
2013-01-25 09:07:22 AM  

ChuDogg: Giltric: Homeland security posted a recieving bids blurb on a government contract eebsite for AR15 patterned personal defense weapons. They really make a case as to how well suited the AR platform is for personal defense due to the ARs size, modability, and reliability.

Cant link on mobile but if interested google homeland security AR personal defense weapon.

Of course the authoritarians here think only government should be able to defend themselves.....against dogs and OWS types.

I posted the link upthread a bit.


ah awesome just clicking headlines without reading the thread so far.
 
2013-01-25 09:12:15 AM  

violentsalvation: NewportBarGuy: violentsalvation: ut frankly, I'm sick of the ignorance that we see in these debates.

I don't even share my own opinions. I would like to keep my AR-15, but Cletus here is making absurd arguments. I resign myself to the lowest point, and am surprised when they don't come knocking at my door.

I know that I'll be able to keep what I own currently. I remember, and the politicians remember what happened the last time they 'took' guns. This is a ridiculous argument.

All sales, private and public should be run through NICS. If they do just that, I'm happy. Any responsible gun owner should want that,

I could get on board with that, as long as the expanded NICS isn't going to be some ridiculous hindrance to private party sales with a 30 day backlog or anything.

There are other ideas but they are shouted down, I guess for simply accepting the reality of the situation and not being idealistic enough. I'd like a tax credit considered for purchasers of approved and properly installed gun safes. Or at least I'd like to talk about it and hear other ideas other than my penis is small. But that's how these debates go.


I've always wondered why so few people get the idea of ginormous "penis by proxy" that lovers of big government get off on. If some guy loves his Hummer and therefore is compensating for a small penis, then someone who loves Big Government is compensating for an even small penis.
 
2013-01-25 09:14:06 AM  
Now that mass shootings kill ALMOST as many people as dog bites, I think it's high time that Congress act on the Obama administrations 28-point plan for "doing something" about the Dog Bite Menace.

I mean, Senator Feinstein held that big press conference about Dog Bite Menace, and yet Congress still hasn't done anything. Obama himself issued his 137 Executive Action Orders a few weeks ago, but I don't see where Congress has fully funded the federal Bureau of Dog Bite Menace Reduction.

CAN'T YOU SEE HOW CONCERNED THE LEFT IS???? DON'T YOU SEE HOW MUCH THEY CARE ABOUT CHILDREN??? CAN'T YOU SEE HOW THEY ARE APPLYING THEIR POLITICAL POWER WHERE IT WILL DO THE MOST GOOD -- BY ADDRESSING THE MOST EASILY-PREVENTED, NEEDLESS DEATHS -- DOG BITES!!1!

NO MORE DOG BITES!!!!

Besides, does anyone really need a dog, anyway? It's not like there's a Constitutional Amendment protecting your right to keep and bear dogs.
 
2013-01-25 09:19:59 AM  

MassAsster: NewportBarGuy: A rifle that fires 5.56mm, even in single-shot iterations, with a 30-round clip? No f*cking need in the world that a beat cop needs that sh*t.

I'd like to prohibit them from even being allowed to buy surplus military equipment.

This is ridiculous.

"If the police department and the police officers think it's necessary I would defer to their judgment," Kim Teneick said.

Go f*ck yourself, Kim.

Nope, not a reason at ALL that patrol officers would need them...

unless.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout

Some how, two guys
for giggles, lets say these two
[upload.wikimedia.org image 450x164]
were able able to out gun multiple officers with weapons that were better capable for a shootout at a distance then the standard issued hand gun and could simply just out do, out perform and out shoot what every officer had on scene making it so dire that police officers had to literally go to the gun store in order to compete.

But.... that would never happen....

/I for one, would like to welcome this PD to today's day and age were most police departments have been carrying this rifle for quite some time already.
//The action and decision to carry them was for the most part based upon the north Hollywood shootout when police departments across the country realized that they could easily be out gunned on the street and another tool was needed to be able to compete against those who chose to do harm with bigger and better weaponry then a pistol.


And if any of those cops knew how to shoot, they could have dropped the suspects. Remember, the average cop takes what, 17 shots to hit the target with a pistol? Did the suspects faces have body armor? Shoot em in the face.
 
2013-01-25 09:23:23 AM  

Thunderpipes: MassAsster: NewportBarGuy: A rifle that fires 5.56mm, even in single-shot iterations, with a 30-round clip? No f*cking need in the world that a beat cop needs that sh*t.

I'd like to prohibit them from even being allowed to buy surplus military equipment.

This is ridiculous.

"If the police department and the police officers think it's necessary I would defer to their judgment," Kim Teneick said.

Go f*ck yourself, Kim.

Nope, not a reason at ALL that patrol officers would need them...

unless.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout

Some how, two guys
for giggles, lets say these two
[upload.wikimedia.org image 450x164]
were able able to out gun multiple officers with weapons that were better capable for a shootout at a distance then the standard issued hand gun and could simply just out do, out perform and out shoot what every officer had on scene making it so dire that police officers had to literally go to the gun store in order to compete.

But.... that would never happen....

/I for one, would like to welcome this PD to today's day and age were most police departments have been carrying this rifle for quite some time already.
//The action and decision to carry them was for the most part based upon the north Hollywood shootout when police departments across the country realized that they could easily be out gunned on the street and another tool was needed to be able to compete against those who chose to do harm with bigger and better weaponry then a pistol.

And if any of those cops knew how to shoot, they could have dropped the suspects. Remember, the average cop takes what, 17 shots to hit the target with a pistol? Did the suspects faces have body armor? Shoot em in the face.


SWAT teams did that. They took them down with headshots. Your average Patrol officer couldn't hit a headshot if you paid 'em and put 'em point blank.
 
2013-01-25 09:25:06 AM  
i50.tinypic.com
 
2013-01-25 09:25:57 AM  
 
2013-01-25 09:27:51 AM  
cdn.ammoland.com
 
2013-01-25 09:29:04 AM  

Thunderpipes: And if any of those cops knew how to shoot, they could have dropped the suspects. Remember, the average cop takes what, 17 shots to hit the target with a pistol? Did the suspects faces have body armor? Shoot em in the face.


You know how I know that you've never, ever fired a pistol at any sort of distance.... ever?
 
2013-01-25 09:29:20 AM  
I admittedly didn't read the whole thread, because most of it is herpity derpity on both sides of the argument, especially the bits between NewportBarGuy and Frank N Stein.

I just came in to see why there were so many posts. This is not news. Every department I know of here permits officers to purchase an AR-15 or even an AK-47 and carry it in their patrol vehicle as long as they are department certified to use it. SWAT is issued M16's, and patrol seargents are issued AR's. I'm failing to see the big deal. They aren't using taxpayer money on the weapons, they're making the officers pay for it themselves.
 
2013-01-25 09:30:38 AM  

Kit Fister: SWAT teams did that. They took them down with headshots. Your average Patrol officer couldn't hit a headshot if you paid 'em and put 'em point blank.


Actually, they both bled to death of minor wounds to their hands and feet. Well, one guy shot himself in the head after he was shot in his hand and could no longer mount an appropriate fight. The other guy bled to death.
 
2013-01-25 09:32:24 AM  
Something to think about

A pistol or shotgun is not accurate enough outside of relatively close range. If a cop dealing with a situation with an armed suspect that is wearing body armor a rifle such as the AR15 will provide the range and accuracy to effectively deal with the threat.

It is not fair to ask or officers who are putting there lives on the line and have the responsibility to protect us to be limited to a pistol or a shotgun in those situations.

Training and regulations regarding the use of any weapon is key to insure everyone's safety.

As to the clip size I think that the cops do not necessarily need large capacity clips. They should be taking a relatively low number of shots since there goal is to end a conflict not hold off an army...
 
2013-01-25 09:32:32 AM  

jso2897: in my mind, they all look like this:


You have a strange mind.
 
2013-01-25 09:32:52 AM  

Farce-Side: I admittedly didn't read the whole thread, because most of it is herpity derpity on both sides of the argument, especially the bits between NewportBarGuy and Frank N Stein.

I just came in to see why there were so many posts. This is not news. Every department I know of here permits officers to purchase an AR-15 or even an AK-47 and carry it in their patrol vehicle as long as they are department certified to use it. SWAT is issued M16's, and patrol seargents are issued AR's. I'm failing to see the big deal. They aren't using taxpayer money on the weapons, they're making the officers pay for it themselves.


The "big deal" relates to the claim that such firearms are suitable only for "killing as many people as possible as quickly as possible". The implication of that claim with police officers possessing them is either that police officers are tasked with "killing as many people as possible as quickly as possible" or that advocates of prohibiting civilian ownership of such firearms are liars. Based upon my own experiences, both with rifles and with advocates of prohibiting ownership of such rifles, I tend to accept the latter implication.
 
2013-01-25 09:33:22 AM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Frank N Stein: NewportBarGuy: Frank N Stein: constitutional implications.

Blacks were 3/5ths a person. Women had no vote.

Preach to me again about the import of that f*cking piece of paper.

"There was slavery 150 years ago, therefore the federal government should be able to institute an official religion"

Cool argument, bro.

Love it when people pick and choose parts of the Constitution.

It's sooooooooo creative.


There is a process to fix the Constitution if it is indeed found to be wanting. The founding fathers weren't fools, they knew that times change and the Constitution would have to be "adjusted" to those times. We've done it to fix the problem of slavery, for example.

So, if the people owning arms is such a bad thing, pass an amendment repealing the Second Amendment.
 
2013-01-25 09:33:51 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Fark It: You tell us, soldier, you're the one who swore an oath to protect and defend it with your life.

Unless you're lying about that too.

What the f*ck? I now work for the Veterans Administration making sure vets get their medications. Disabled vets like myself. Making sure we take care of those we sent into battle, their widow, orphans...

Go f*ck yourself.



Awesome. That's one way to hide behind wounded vets and orphans.

/did one have anything to do with the other?
 
2013-01-25 09:34:04 AM  

dr_blasto: jso2897: in my mind, they all look like this:

You have a strange mind.


Perhaps he suffers from colour-blindness and untreated astigmatism.
 
2013-01-25 09:34:52 AM  

Frank N Stein: borg: Oh, my God! self-loading rifles are sooooo scary.

Sounds too close to self-aware rifles. Better not chance it.


Self aware weapons? That would be .... interesting.
www.whkeith.com
 
2013-01-25 09:35:18 AM  
Of course the police are going to want barbie guns. They are meant for looks, and for guys who want to go out and pretend that they are important and in the military. (applies both to police and even moreso to the civilians with barbie guns...)

Myself, I've got a couple AK47's/WASR's. They don't look quite as threatening, and I can't play dress up with them like the AR girls can. But as far as name recognition, pretty sure the AK47 wins, even after the recent events! Durability? Not even a question. And yes, the Ak47 might not quite as accurate, but nobody actually shoots for maximum accuracy with either one, there are guns that are much, much better for that.

(ohh, and there is the fact that the armourers tool kit for an AR 15 involves a couple hundred tiny little tools and gadgets. The armourers toolkit for an ak47? Can of wd-40 and a couple rocks.)
 
2013-01-25 09:35:33 AM  

way south: liam76: violentsalvation: The backdoor registration bothers me, because that has a hint of "oh hey we changed our minds, fork it over". I'd hope legislation allowing private parties to access the NICS would understand that a private sale is not the same as someone who is explicitly in the business of selling firearms

In terms of preventing criminals or mentally unstable from getting guns there is no difference.

In terms of your privacy, there is a big difference.

You are effectively making public an instant access list of "untrustworthy persons", which is as bad as publicizing the no-fly list depending on how its handled.
Quite a few people will end up having a problem with this when they realize what it could mean.

/and it still doesn't answer the question of why we have a growing problem with mentally unstable people.
/keeping weapons out of their hands may prove to be a poor exchange when compared to what we have to give up.


That list has already been made. 99% of people are fine with felons, and mentally unstable not having guns.

The problem now is you can get around having to check that list with private sales.

I don't think we have a huge problem with keeping guns from mentally unstable. Most of our gun crime comes frompeopel getting uns illegally, not nuts "slipping througth the cracks".
 
2013-01-25 09:35:40 AM  

Alonjar: Kit Fister: SWAT teams did that. They took them down with headshots. Your average Patrol officer couldn't hit a headshot if you paid 'em and put 'em point blank.

Actually, they both bled to death of minor wounds to their hands and feet. Well, one guy shot himself in the head after he was shot in his hand and could no longer mount an appropriate fight. The other guy bled to death.


Really? i thought they took headshots. Oh well. must be wrong.
 
2013-01-25 09:36:14 AM  

dittybopper: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Frank N Stein: NewportBarGuy: Frank N Stein: constitutional implications.

Blacks were 3/5ths a person. Women had no vote.

Preach to me again about the import of that f*cking piece of paper.

"There was slavery 150 years ago, therefore the federal government should be able to institute an official religion"

Cool argument, bro.

Love it when people pick and choose parts of the Constitution.

It's sooooooooo creative.

There is a process to fix the Constitution if it is indeed found to be wanting. The founding fathers weren't fools, they knew that times change and the Constitution would have to be "adjusted" to those times. We've done it to fix the problem of slavery, for example.

So, if the people owning arms is such a bad thing, pass an amendment repealing the Second Amendment.


Passage of a Constitutional Amendment is a difficult procedure, requiring attaining of substantially more support than is typically available. Merely lying about the implications of the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution, or simply advocating ignoring sections of the Constitution that are arbitrarily declared to be "obsolete" or "outdated" enables advocates of unreasonable restrictions upon firearm ownership to more effectively attain support for their position.
 
2013-01-25 09:37:16 AM  
i have no problem with the marion pd, properly trained, carrying AR15s.
 
2013-01-25 09:38:42 AM  
OBammy wantz to take er gunz and give them to the cops!z
 
2013-01-25 09:41:05 AM  

MassAsster: NewportBarGuy: A rifle that fires 5.56mm, even in single-shot iterations, with a 30-round clip? No f*cking need in the world that a beat cop needs that sh*t.

I'd like to prohibit them from even being allowed to buy surplus military equipment.

This is ridiculous.

"If the police department and the police officers think it's necessary I would defer to their judgment," Kim Teneick said.

Go f*ck yourself, Kim.

Nope, not a reason at ALL that patrol officers would need them...

unless.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout

Some how, two guys
for giggles, lets say these two
[upload.wikimedia.org image 450x164]
were able able to out gun multiple officers with weapons that were better capable for a shootout at a distance then the standard issued hand gun and could simply just out do, out perform and out shoot what every officer had on scene making it so dire that police officers had to literally go to the gun store in order to compete.

But.... that would never happen....

/I for one, would like to welcome this PD to today's day and age were most police departments have been carrying this rifle for quite some time already.
//The action and decision to carry them was for the most part based upon the north Hollywood shootout when police departments across the country realized that they could easily be out gunned on the street and another tool was needed to be able to compete against those who chose to do harm with bigger and better weaponry then a pistol.


What I find interesting is this isn't the first instance of police being outgunned.
We had this problem in the 1800's, in the 1920's, and in the 1980's. many departments experienced the issue time and time again.
It's like some bean counter shows up in low crime intervals and declares peace to have broken out before grabbing the cops guns. Then all hell breaks loose and the cops rush to buy new guns like everyone else.

This cyclical disarming of the public and law enforcement is more likely to cause a problem than solve it.
Someone should just write a law so government leaves people alone to own their weapons, rather than suffer this insanity every generation.
 
2013-01-25 09:41:56 AM  

Kit Fister: Alonjar: Kit Fister: SWAT teams did that. They took them down with headshots. Your average Patrol officer couldn't hit a headshot if you paid 'em and put 'em point blank.

Actually, they both bled to death of minor wounds to their hands and feet. Well, one guy shot himself in the head after he was shot in his hand and could no longer mount an appropriate fight. The other guy bled to death.

Really? i thought they took headshots. Oh well. must be wrong.


Yeah... and if you want to get really technical, the main thing that stopped these guys was the fact that they had illegally converted standard civilian guns into fully automatics... and thus when subjected to an actual sustained firefight, the weapons kept jamming and malfunctioning. They were really only taken down when their weapons stopped working.
 
2013-01-25 09:41:58 AM  

Dimensio: Farce-Side: I admittedly didn't read the whole thread, because most of it is herpity derpity on both sides of the argument, especially the bits between NewportBarGuy and Frank N Stein.

I just came in to see why there were so many posts. This is not news. Every department I know of here permits officers to purchase an AR-15 or even an AK-47 and carry it in their patrol vehicle as long as they are department certified to use it. SWAT is issued M16's, and patrol seargents are issued AR's. I'm failing to see the big deal. They aren't using taxpayer money on the weapons, they're making the officers pay for it themselves.

The "big deal" relates to the claim that such firearms are suitable only for "killing as many people as possible as quickly as possible". The implication of that claim with police officers possessing them is either that police officers are tasked with "killing as many people as possible as quickly as possible" or that advocates of prohibiting civilian ownership of such firearms are liars. Based upon my own experiences, both with rifles and with advocates of prohibiting ownership of such rifles, I tend to accept the latter implication.


OHHHHHHH i get it now, so it's one big trolling exercise. Got it.

To clarify my position before I get derped on, I think cops should be able to have AR-15's. I think I should be able to have AR-15's too. I don't think EVERYONE should have AR-15's, because those convicted of violent crimes and those who are mentally unstable are known to be quite dangerous. Hey, isn't there already a law against those people owning guns?

/Now herp-a-derp in 3....2....
 
2013-01-25 09:43:01 AM  
upload.wikimedia.org

The thing about this is that no one got killed by these guys. Despite the thousand rounds and body armor and high-powered rifles no one got killed (except the two gunmen themselves).

So explain to me why this one-time incident is used as proof we need military-grade peace officers at all times?
 
2013-01-25 09:43:11 AM  
Using media over-hyped emotionally charged events to spread fear and get legislation passed? Thumbs up!
Using media over-hyped emotionally charged events to spread fear and equip police departments? Thumbs up!

It's a when win situation
 
2013-01-25 09:45:07 AM  

Alonjar: Kit Fister: Alonjar: Kit Fister: SWAT teams did that. They took them down with headshots. Your average Patrol officer couldn't hit a headshot if you paid 'em and put 'em point blank.

Actually, they both bled to death of minor wounds to their hands and feet. Well, one guy shot himself in the head after he was shot in his hand and could no longer mount an appropriate fight. The other guy bled to death.

Really? i thought they took headshots. Oh well. must be wrong.

Yeah... and if you want to get really technical, the main thing that stopped these guys was the fact that they had illegally converted standard civilian guns into fully automatics... and thus when subjected to an actual sustained firefight, the weapons kept jamming and malfunctioning. They were really only taken down when their weapons stopped working.


My understanding -- which may be inaccurate -- is that the converted firearms were themselves smuggled into the country and that they were not actually legally available to civilians in the United States of America specifically because they could be so easily converted to fully automatic operation.
 
2013-01-25 09:45:55 AM  
Big deal police forces in Canada use them. I didn't even know about it until we had a shooting a couple of years back and the suspect was on the run and the police were out bridges and intersections with their rifles out looking for him. I kind of agree with the article anyway as long as these type of rifles are going to be owned by the public they police should have the ability to counter them.
 
2013-01-25 09:48:37 AM  

Rich Cream: [upload.wikimedia.org image 450x164]

The thing about this is that no one got killed by these guys. Despite the thousand rounds and body armor and high-powered rifles no one got killed (except the two gunmen themselves).

So explain to me why this one-time incident is used as proof we need military-grade peace officers at all times?


Because THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!
 
2013-01-25 09:50:48 AM  

Rich Cream: [upload.wikimedia.org image 450x164]

The thing about this is that no one got killed by these guys. Despite the thousand rounds and body armor and high-powered rifles no one got killed (except the two gunmen themselves).

So explain to me why this one-time incident is used as proof we need military-grade peace officers at all times?


I'm not arguing for or against anything, but I will say a factor in the low body count was the fact that the offenders werent actually trying to kill anybody. Yes, they shot cops, and yes, the cops very easily could have been killed... but in general they were just spraying suppressing fire while they tried to escape a bank robbery. They never actually tried to advance on the police in order to execute a proper kill on them.

/Might have gone better for them if they had
 
2013-01-25 09:52:09 AM  
All the local police chiefs and sheriffs around me keep trying to tell everyone that no one is trying to take your guns, and the measures will actually help assist them in their day to day work. Since I'm kind of in the south, you can imagine what some of the locals are saying about them.
 
2013-01-25 09:52:16 AM  

BronyMedic: violentsalvation: Doesn't mean I'm going to question his military record like an asshole.

Sorry, I've lived through FLYNAVY and Wife-Like Typing guy. If he was actually in the military, I'll apologize to him. But there are plenty of people on FARK who claim to be in/have been in the military who are blatent liars about it.

I do tend to question anyone who calls a magazine a clip and then claims to have been in the military.


No military person would ever call a magazine a clip unless they were a total shiatpump.
 
2013-01-25 09:54:15 AM  
Lock 'em up in the trunk. Have specific circumstances under which they can be used, including post-op reports detailing the justification for their deployment.

As long brandishing them involves extra paperwork, I doubt they will see the much daylight.
 
2013-01-25 09:55:07 AM  
For a normal patrol officer, the one or two handguns along with a shotgun is enough firepower for their normal duties. Militarizing our police officers will lead to excessive force and citizens being killed.

Incidents that prompted this change in tools will not be prevented from happening in the future. Those that carry out these attacks know that law enforcement will be coming, they usually take their lives when they hear the sirens. Response time matters more.
 
2013-01-25 09:58:42 AM  

Artisan Sandwich: BronyMedic: violentsalvation: Doesn't mean I'm going to question his military record like an asshole.

Sorry, I've lived through FLYNAVY and Wife-Like Typing guy. If he was actually in the military, I'll apologize to him. But there are plenty of people on FARK who claim to be in/have been in the military who are blatent liars about it.

I do tend to question anyone who calls a magazine a clip and then claims to have been in the military.

No military person would ever call a magazine a clip unless they were a total shiatpump.


Maybe they were POGs or Waterdogs?
 
2013-01-25 10:00:28 AM  

Dimensio: dittybopper: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Frank N Stein: NewportBarGuy: Frank N Stein: constitutional implications.

Blacks were 3/5ths a person. Women had no vote.

Preach to me again about the import of that f*cking piece of paper.

"There was slavery 150 years ago, therefore the federal government should be able to institute an official religion"

Cool argument, bro.

Love it when people pick and choose parts of the Constitution.

It's sooooooooo creative.

There is a process to fix the Constitution if it is indeed found to be wanting. The founding fathers weren't fools, they knew that times change and the Constitution would have to be "adjusted" to those times. We've done it to fix the problem of slavery, for example.

So, if the people owning arms is such a bad thing, pass an amendment repealing the Second Amendment.

Passage of a Constitutional Amendment is a difficult procedure, requiring attaining of substantially more support than is typically available. Merely lying about the implications of the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution, or simply advocating ignoring sections of the Constitution that are arbitrarily declared to be "obsolete" or "outdated" enables advocates of unreasonable restrictions upon firearm ownership to more effectively attain support for their position.


This is dangerous to the very concept of the rule of law.
 
2013-01-25 10:02:07 AM  
Cops needed some Penile extensions, that's all..

/wicked cool police core
 
2013-01-25 10:03:26 AM  
For all of the idiots posting who don't seem to understand the second amendment, and have probably never read it, but are just parroting the opinions of the perpetually-misinformed talking heads and drinking the Feinstein-Brand "ignorance and logical fallacy" flavored Kool-Aid.

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

Notice that it doesn't say "the right of the militia to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed" it says "the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

Also, the militia is not the military, the militia is a group of able bodied civilian men who can be ready to protect their rights if necessary, just like in the revolutionary war - where the Militias and the Continental army worked together to get rid of the totalitarian British rule. You forget that the Military represents the government, and that the founding fathers wanted us to be able to protect ourselves from a government that wanted to infringe upon any of our rights - just like they did.

You also seem to forget that this interpretation of the 2nd amendment as guaranteeing the people as in individual citizens, not just cops and soldiers is the correct interpretation and that it is backed by supreme court precedence.

img89.imageshack.us
 
2013-01-25 10:05:43 AM  

BronyMedic: At any rate, I don't have to "say" anything. I can show you. Your kind gets off on watching cops (It's pigs, right?) get murdered, so I figured I'd provide you with some jerk material. (NSFW) That fight was ended by a Game Warden using his M-4 in a particularly bad-ass way.


You reminded me of this. Thanks for putting pigs in my head.

"Crammed together in sties, pigs tend to act swinishly, as it were, and to have noisy and nasty fights. It is not unknown for them to eat their own young and even their own excrement, while their tendency to random and loose gallantry is often painful to the more fastidious eye. But it has often been noticed that pigs left to their own devices, and granted sufficient space, will keep themselves very clean, arrange little bowers, bring up families and engage in social interaction with other pigs." -Hitch

/bacon
//bacon
 
2013-01-25 10:06:07 AM  

SpectroBoy: This is the gun the Iowa police need to feel safe.

[www.evike.com image 640x391]


I need to get a spork-adapter for my AR.
 
2013-01-25 10:07:13 AM  

violentsalvation: There are other ideas but they are shouted down, I guess for simply accepting the reality of the situation and not being idealistic enough. I'd like a tax credit considered for purchasers of approved and properly installed gun safes. O


That's cute.

Gun safe: $200

Gun safe tax credit as of June 1 2014: $150

Gun safe as of March 1 2014: $350

Sales slump, then "Buy this $350 gun safe, it's okay though because the Government will give you like half of the cost back in taxes!"
 
2013-01-25 10:09:33 AM  

give me doughnuts: SpectroBoy: This is the gun the Iowa police need to feel safe.

[www.evike.com image 640x391]

I need to get a spork-adapter for my AR.


I recommend a spoon attachment, rather than a spork.

/Because it's dull, you idiot.
//It'll hurt more.
 
2013-01-25 10:10:32 AM  

soj4life: Incidents that prompted this change in tools will not be prevented from happening in the future. Those that carry out these attacks know that law enforcement will be coming, they usually take their lives when they hear the sirens. Response time matters more.


....which is why they want the AR15s. Then they can appropriately respond to an incident right away, vs waiting for SWAT.
 
2013-01-25 10:13:55 AM  

Fail in Human Form: Deep Contact: muck4doo: The best war is not to get in war at all. But if you are going to have weapons, know them.

/War is stupid.

Sometimes you need a 30 year war. That's what humans do.

Due to the cost of a modern military operation, a 30 year war would be ruinous.


hushkit.files.wordpress.com
22 years and counting.

/but, but...
 
2013-01-25 10:13:56 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Keep playing semantics. It's all you have.


Semantics is all anyone has if we want to understand what each other is talking about. We have to use the correct terms for things. We can't just decide that we want to start using an INCORRECT term for something and assume everyone will know what we're talking about.

Seriously, the people that biatch and whine and yell out "SEMANTICS IS ALL YOU HAVE!!" when they are corrected on terminology when trying to discuss this subject are being idiots. If you want to talk seriously about this, and try to find solutions, WE ALL HAVE TO BE SPEAKING THE SAME FARKING LANGUAGE.

After all of these threads is there really anyone left here that doesn't know there is an actual difference between a "clip" and a "magazine"? Is there anyone left that doesn't understand that "assault weapon" and "assault rifle" are not the same thing? Yet people still insist on using incorrect words and get their panties in a bunch when corrected.

fark it. The ones who are being willfully ignorant can keep on keeping on. Call a magazine a diddly-dooder and call an assault rifle a blangity-blang. What's it matter? It's just semantics after all.
 
2013-01-25 10:14:30 AM  

liam76: way south: liam76: violentsalvation: The backdoor registration bothers me, because that has a hint of "oh hey we changed our minds, fork it over". I'd hope legislation allowing private parties to access the NICS would understand that a private sale is not the same as someone who is explicitly in the business of selling firearms

In terms of preventing criminals or mentally unstable from getting guns there is no difference.

In terms of your privacy, there is a big difference.

You are effectively making public an instant access list of "untrustworthy persons", which is as bad as publicizing the no-fly list depending on how its handled.
Quite a few people will end up having a problem with this when they realize what it could mean.

/and it still doesn't answer the question of why we have a growing problem with mentally unstable people.
/keeping weapons out of their hands may prove to be a poor exchange when compared to what we have to give up.

That list has already been made. 99% of people are fine with felons, and mentally unstable not having guns.

The problem now is you can get around having to check that list with private sales.

I don't think we have a huge problem with keeping guns from mentally unstable. Most of our gun crime comes from people getting guns illegally, not nuts "slipping througth the cracks".


The list itself isn't the problem so much as open access to it.
Right now you have to go through FFLs who are registered themselves.

The question is how will joe public, who may not always live in reasonable distance of an ffl or who may not wish to pay a twenty dollar transfer fee on a hundred dollar gun, access this information without abusing it.
The follow up question is if these lists are worth the trouble.

Criminal buyers at present go for the private sale route because there is no check. When there is one, they'll opt for theft or import.
I'm not convinced this solves a crime problem so much as it simply moves the stat to another column.

Meanwhile, in the post patriot act era, government is collecting and distributing more of your personal information to God only knows who. We've got no idea what it plans to tell them either.
I'm fearing that in a search for security, we risk getting ourselves locked up sooner than any crook.
Because at least the crook is aware of his crimes and is working to cover them up.
 
2013-01-25 10:15:45 AM  

GanjSmokr: NewportBarGuy: Keep playing semantics. It's all you have.

Semantics is all anyone has if we want to understand what each other is talking about. We have to use the correct terms for things. We can't just decide that we want to start using an INCORRECT term for something and assume everyone will know what we're talking about.

Seriously, the people that biatch and whine and yell out "SEMANTICS IS ALL YOU HAVE!!" when they are corrected on terminology when trying to discuss this subject are being idiots. If you want to talk seriously about this, and try to find solutions, WE ALL HAVE TO BE SPEAKING THE SAME FARKING LANGUAGE.

After all of these threads is there really anyone left here that doesn't know there is an actual difference between a "clip" and a "magazine"? Is there anyone left that doesn't understand that "assault weapon" and "assault rifle" are not the same thing? Yet people still insist on using incorrect words and get their panties in a bunch when corrected.

fark it. The ones who are being willfully ignorant can keep on keeping on. Call a magazine a diddly-dooder and call an assault rifle a blangity-blang. What's it matter? It's just semantics after all.


Perhaps we should refer to assault weapons ban advocates as "child molesters". Should they protest, we will be able to accuse them of arguing "semantics".
 
2013-01-25 10:16:36 AM  

salsashark1: The AR-15 appears nowhere in the constitution.

FACT!


Neither does "Internet" or "Television" or "Smartphone".

Better start unplugging yourself there, Sparky.
 
2013-01-25 10:20:32 AM  

Farce-Side: I admittedly didn't read the whole thread, because most of it is herpity derpity on both sides of the argument, especially the bits between NewportBarGuy and Frank N Stein.

I just came in to see why there were so many posts. This is not news. Every department I know of here permits officers to purchase an AR-15 or even an AK-47 and carry it in their patrol vehicle as long as they are department certified to use it. SWAT is issued M16's, and patrol seargents are issued AR's. I'm failing to see the big deal. They aren't using taxpayer money on the weapons, they're making the officers pay for it themselves.


Why does a cop get to have a choice as to her weapon but not a civilian?
 
2013-01-25 10:24:11 AM  

The Only Sane Man In Florida: "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."


In your analysis you seem to suggest that the first half of the 2nd Amendment is irrelevant. Are you saying that the Amendment would be just fine like this?

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

Because, that's not what the 2nd Amendment says. It clearly indicates a condition by which the right of people to possess arms shall be maintained. It does not guarantee it no matter what.
 
2013-01-25 10:29:08 AM  

RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: The Only Sane Man In Florida: "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

In your analysis you seem to suggest that the first half of the 2nd Amendment is irrelevant. Are you saying that the Amendment would be just fine like this?

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

Because, that's not what the 2nd Amendment says. It clearly indicates a condition by which the right of people to possess arms shall be maintained. It does not guarantee it no matter what.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Heller

"(a) The Amendment's prefatory clause announces a purpose, but does not limit or expand the scope of the second part, the operative clause. The operative clause's text and history demonstrate that it connotes an individual right to keep and bear arms. Pp. 2-22."

/but you already knew that...
 
2013-01-25 10:29:31 AM  

RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: The Only Sane Man In Florida: "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

In your analysis you seem to suggest that the first half of the 2nd Amendment is irrelevant. Are you saying that the Amendment would be just fine like this?

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

Because, that's not what the 2nd Amendment says. It clearly indicates a condition by which the right of people to possess arms shall be maintained. It does not guarantee it no matter what.


You have confused a justification with a condition. Your assertion is also demonstrably contradicted by case law and thus is incorrect.
 
2013-01-25 10:31:27 AM  
I'm kinda surprised they don't already have them.
 
2013-01-25 10:48:45 AM  
AR-15? Were all the pellet guns sold out? I'd prefer officers carry something with a little stopping power.
 
2013-01-25 10:54:41 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: Farce-Side: I admittedly didn't read the whole thread, because most of it is herpity derpity on both sides of the argument, especially the bits between NewportBarGuy and Frank N Stein.

I just came in to see why there were so many posts. This is not news. Every department I know of here permits officers to purchase an AR-15 or even an AK-47 and carry it in their patrol vehicle as long as they are department certified to use it. SWAT is issued M16's, and patrol seargents are issued AR's. I'm failing to see the big deal. They aren't using taxpayer money on the weapons, they're making the officers pay for it themselves.

Why does a cop get to have a choice as to her weapon but not a civilian?


Cops *ARE* civilians.

I hate the casual reference to non-LEOs as "civilians".
 
2013-01-25 10:59:31 AM  

way south: The list itself isn't the problem so much as open access to it.
Right now you have to go through FFLs who are registered themselves.

The question is how will joe public, who may not always live in reasonable distance of an ffl or who may not wish to pay a twenty dollar transfer fee on a hundred dollar gun, access this information without abusing it.


There is no reason they have to go to the FFL in person.

I don't really care if you don't want to pay for the transfer fee. You have the right to bear arms, you don't have the right to sell them to anybody you want with no hassle. There are lots of dangerous things that you have to be responsble for if you want to get rid of or sell.

way south: Criminal buyers at present go for the private sale route because there is no check. When there is one, they'll opt for theft or import.
I'm not convinced this solves a crime problem so much as it simply moves the stat to another column.


That is a very weak argument. Using that logic we should get rid of all background checks to cut down on gun thefts and importing.

I think many of the people doing "private sales" do so knowing they are going to people they shouldn't, but it is hard to catch them. With this law it will make it much easier to catch them. Buying a gun from a guy who isn't breaking the law by selling to you with no background check isn't as easy as stealing a gun, it will cut down on guns going to criminals.

way south: Meanwhile, in the post patriot act era, government is collecting and distributing more of your personal information to God only knows who. We've got no idea what it plans to tell them either.
I'm fearing that in a search for security, we risk getting ourselves locked up sooner than any crook.
Because at least the crook is aware of his crimes and is working to cover them up


There is no additional data collected by the govt about you for this.
 
2013-01-25 11:00:21 AM  

dittybopper: Cops *ARE* civilians.

I hate the casual reference to non-LEOs as "civilians".


Yeah, this. I don't mind if LEOs carry rifles (AR-15s are pretty ideal for urban environments anyway) but I think there should be parity between what police and non-police can own.
 
2013-01-25 11:02:34 AM  

RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: humans are, indeed, scumbags


Considering that we're the only species on earth that has ever been observed in its natural habitat killing off members of its own species for fun, I'd say you're a very strong contender for Understatement Of The Decade.
 
2013-01-25 11:11:17 AM  
Apparently some of the idiots here don't realize police in many areas have been using these rifles for decades.
 
2013-01-25 11:12:14 AM  

dittybopper: StoPPeRmobile: Farce-Side: I admittedly didn't read the whole thread, because most of it is herpity derpity on both sides of the argument, especially the bits between NewportBarGuy and Frank N Stein.

I just came in to see why there were so many posts. This is not news. Every department I know of here permits officers to purchase an AR-15 or even an AK-47 and carry it in their patrol vehicle as long as they are department certified to use it. SWAT is issued M16's, and patrol seargents are issued AR's. I'm failing to see the big deal. They aren't using taxpayer money on the weapons, they're making the officers pay for it themselves.

Why does a cop get to have a choice as to her weapon but not a civilian?

Cops *ARE* civilians.

I hate the casual reference to non-LEOs as "civilians".


You're right. I should have said "peasants."
 
2013-01-25 11:12:54 AM  
What a thread full of idiocy going on here.

Virtually every police department I know of has AR-15s right in the car next to their shotguns.

What exactly is the big deal for an officer to have the proper weaponry to put down someone who is shooting at people?
 
2013-01-25 11:13:18 AM  

give me doughnuts: I need to get a spork-adapter for my AR.


Too late. They are sold out everywhere, and they are probably on the banned list since they look scary.

If you find one used it will be at 4 times the old price.
 
2013-01-25 11:13:22 AM  
They tried this convoluted scheme to buy AR-15s here:

The115 rifles, manufactured by Rock River Arms, will cost $104,716.12 and will be temporarily paid for out of the Federal Asset Forfeiture (FAF) account. Most of the rifles will be owned by the officers who use them, and they will reimburse the FAF account for the full price over a 12-month period.


Not sure what happened; I think it got nixed by the Feds
 
2013-01-25 11:16:09 AM  

RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: The Only Sane Man In Florida: "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

In your analysis you seem to suggest that the first half of the 2nd Amendment is irrelevant. Are you saying that the Amendment would be just fine like this?

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

Because, that's not what the 2nd Amendment says. It clearly indicates a condition by which the right of people to possess arms shall be maintained. It does not guarantee it no matter what.


I see that reading comprehension is definitely not your strong point, as I explained that bit in my post. Read this over and over again until you can understand it.

The Only Sane Man In Florida: Notice that it doesn't say "the right of the militia to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed" it says "the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

Also, the militia is not the military, the militia is a group of able bodied civilian men who can be ready to protect their rights if necessary, just like in the revolutionary war - where the Militias and the Continental army worked together to get rid of the totalitarian British rule. You forget that the Military represents the government, and that the founding fathers wanted us to be able to protect ourselves from a government that wanted to infringe upon any of our rights - just like they did.

 
2013-01-25 11:24:25 AM  

fickenchucker: What a thread full of idiocy going on here.

Virtually every police department I know of has AR-15s right in the car next to their shotguns.

What exactly is the big deal for an officer to have the proper weaponry to put down someone who is shooting at people?


I have been repeatedly informed that the AR-15 rifle is suitable only for "killing as many people as possible as quickly as possible". As such, a different firearm model is better suited for neutralizing a single violent attacker.
 
2013-01-25 11:27:06 AM  

King Something: RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: humans are, indeed, scumbags

Considering that we're the only species on earth that has ever been observed in its natural habitat killing off members of its own species for fun, I'd say you're a very strong contender for Understatement Of The Decade.


Yes! Finally I'm the best at something! 8-)
 
2013-01-25 11:27:42 AM  

The Only Sane Man In Florida: RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: The Only Sane Man In Florida: "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

In your analysis you seem to suggest that the first half of the 2nd Amendment is irrelevant. Are you saying that the Amendment would be just fine like this?

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

Because, that's not what the 2nd Amendment says. It clearly indicates a condition by which the right of people to possess arms shall be maintained. It does not guarantee it no matter what.

I see that reading comprehension is definitely not your strong point, as I explained that bit in my post. Read this over and over again until you can understand it.

The Only Sane Man In Florida: Notice that it doesn't say "the right of the militia to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed" it says "the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

Also, the militia is not the military, the militia is a group of able bodied civilian men who can be ready to protect their rights if necessary, just like in the revolutionary war - where the Militias and the Continental army worked together to get rid of the totalitarian British rule. You forget that the Military represents the government, and that the founding fathers wanted us to be able to protect ourselves from a government that wanted to infringe upon any of our rights - just like they did.


Ouch! Okay okay, you're much smarter than I am.
 
2013-01-25 11:31:28 AM  

MythDragon: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Yeah like I'd stick my dick in anything that ends in "stein."

I made that mistake once. I was really drunk.


I got it stuck in there, so I had to finish my beer by laying on my back and doing pelvic thrusts over my head.


Pewter?! Damn near killed her!
 
2013-01-25 11:45:16 AM  
MEh, my police department has had assault rifles since 2002.

/NY
 
2013-01-25 11:54:13 AM  

Dimensio: fickenchucker: What a thread full of idiocy going on here.

Virtually every police department I know of has AR-15s right in the car next to their shotguns.

What exactly is the big deal for an officer to have the proper weaponry to put down someone who is shooting at people?

I have been repeatedly informed that the AR-15 rifle is suitable only for "killing as many people as possible as quickly as possible". As such, a different firearm model is better suited for neutralizing a single violent attacker.



Trolling much? Either that, or your sarcasm is very good.
 
2013-01-25 12:01:13 PM  

fickenchucker: Dimensio: fickenchucker: What a thread full of idiocy going on here.

Virtually every police department I know of has AR-15s right in the car next to their shotguns.

What exactly is the big deal for an officer to have the proper weaponry to put down someone who is shooting at people?

I have been repeatedly informed that the AR-15 rifle is suitable only for "killing as many people as possible as quickly as possible". As such, a different firearm model is better suited for neutralizing a single violent attacker.


Trolling much? Either that, or your sarcasm is very good.


It's genius level.
 
2013-01-25 12:08:44 PM  

fickenchucker: Dimensio: fickenchucker: What a thread full of idiocy going on here.

Virtually every police department I know of has AR-15s right in the car next to their shotguns.

What exactly is the big deal for an officer to have the proper weaponry to put down someone who is shooting at people?

I have been repeatedly informed that the AR-15 rifle is suitable only for "killing as many people as possible as quickly as possible". As such, a different firearm model is better suited for neutralizing a single violent attacker.


Trolling much? Either that, or your sarcasm is very good.


Is that not the rhetoric used? Is that not one of the main reasons that the child molesters want the AR-15 banned?
 
2013-01-25 12:21:30 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Frank N Stein: But Fark told me that AR-15s were designed for the sole purpose of killing as many people as possible in the quickest amount of time.

Because that is entirely accurate. The AR-15 is designed to put down human beings in short fashion. That is exactly what it was designed for.

Your point?


And yet there are thousands of them owned by private citizens that have never killed a human being. Are these guns defective? Do they have a design flaw? Should they be returned for repairs?
 
2013-01-25 12:26:47 PM  

RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: The Only Sane Man In Florida: RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: The Only Sane Man In Florida: "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

In your analysis you seem to suggest that the first half of the 2nd Amendment is irrelevant. Are you saying that the Amendment would be just fine like this?

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

Because, that's not what the 2nd Amendment says. It clearly indicates a condition by which the right of people to possess arms shall be maintained. It does not guarantee it no matter what.

I see that reading comprehension is definitely not your strong point, as I explained that bit in my post. Read this over and over again until you can understand it.

The Only Sane Man In Florida: Notice that it doesn't say "the right of the militia to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed" it says "the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

Also, the militia is not the military, the militia is a group of able bodied civilian men who can be ready to protect their rights if necessary, just like in the revolutionary war - where the Militias and the Continental army worked together to get rid of the totalitarian British rule. You forget that the Military represents the government, and that the founding fathers wanted us to be able to protect ourselves from a government that wanted to infringe upon any of our rights - just like they did.

Ouch! Okay okay, you're much smarter than I am.


Sure looks like it. Maybe you should go try reddit? They can help school you a bit more in how to misread things and sensationalize everything.
 
2013-01-25 12:52:07 PM  
Mad shout-outs to Brony

Noticed that Newport got awfully quiet. Is this 2013's new FlyNavy?

/If I ever require EMT support, I hope Brony is in the truck.
//Doubt we live anywhere near one another.
 
2013-01-25 12:56:44 PM  
Aaaaand, just read your profile, Brony.

May you continue on your path of awesome, and continue to save lives. Your area is lucky to have you. Tip o' the cap, and all that.

/No snark at all, actually cool to see a Good Person on Fark.
 
2013-01-25 01:05:43 PM  

Mrbogey: jso2897: Allow me to piss off both sides of this argument by pointing out that these "assault weapons" are jive-ass toys.
They take a low-powered, innaccurate semi-auto carbine and festoon it up with "military" features that are useless to anyone but a soldier in the field, and sell it for a fat markup.
They have two real functions - to con the dollars out of stupid, macho gun-fappers pockets, and to scare the shiat out of ignorant liberals who don't know anything about guns.
That's all they are especially good for - that and enriching those who make and sell them.

Frankly, I'd be embarrassed to be seen with one of the things - in my mind, they all look like this:
[i18.photobucket.com image 640x346]

Have you ever fired anything other than NATO out of an AR-15? Some of the rounds are solid hunting/distant target shooting.


They're still carbines. They're cheap imitations of guns that are for war, and accuracy was not the chief quality they were engineered for. Of course, I'd be a gullible fool to let a bunch of gun-fappers suck me into an "argument" about a relative term like "accurate". Yes, these Sears-catalogue badass toys are more accurate than a derringer. No, they are not as accurate as an 1894 model Winchester (long-barrel) that is not worn out or broken. But I'm sure as shiat not going to argue about it.
Not that I'm saying they should be banned - quite the contrary - the whole "assault weapons" narrative is bullshiat. I don't think these things are real "assault weapons", and I don't particularly respect them as tools.
Pardon the f**k out of me if my opinion offends you.
 
2013-01-25 01:14:57 PM  

MassAsster: were able able to out gun multiple officers with weapons that were better capable for a shootout at a distance then the standard issued hand gun and could simply just out do, out perform and out shoot what every officer had on scene making it so dire that police officers had to literally go to the gun store in order to compete.


Umm... you're making an argument to ban all rifles except lever and bolt action. I'm okay with this.
 
2013-01-25 01:18:05 PM  

gibbon1: MassAsster: were able able to out gun multiple officers with weapons that were better capable for a shootout at a distance then the standard issued hand gun and could simply just out do, out perform and out shoot what every officer had on scene making it so dire that police officers had to literally go to the gun store in order to compete.

Umm... you're making an argument to ban all rifles except lever and bolt action. I'm okay with this.


What a bolt action gun might look like.
gallery.gdatp.com
/electrically primed
 
2013-01-25 01:19:29 PM  
jso2897: They're still carbines. They're cheap imitations of guns that are for war

The dudes who lugged ammo and spotted for my grandfather would disagree.

/He was one of Edison's Raiders. Has always said that his "support" killed more Japanese than he did. According to him, he'd put down cover fire whilst his support made killing shots.
//BTW, support in this term refers to two dudes with carbines and a sh&t ton of ammo for the BAR, as well as ammo for their carbines.
///G-Dad has a Narisaka (sp?) rifle I will inherent when he leaves our pastures.
///Not from a Griffin novel, though those can be pretty good.
 
2013-01-25 01:34:02 PM  
Oh, in case it wasn't clearly implied, my grandad was the dude with the BAR.

Would love to get him in on this, but he's too busy not giving a f@ck what people online have to say about his service. He's also not a fan of technology (at least, technology that isn't mechanical in nature, and doesn't result in the deaths of asians from Nippon).

He would also probably ban-hammer himself by calling you racial epithets.

F&cking love that old dude.

/Not because he's racist. Gonna excuse that based on the years he spent fighting the Japanese. Was still fighting the war as late as 1999, when he welcomed a group of Japanese tourists in HI to martial combat.
//They didn't accept.
 
2013-01-25 01:42:19 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Frank N Stein: Don't get your Jamies Wrangled. I understand you fear black rifles. It's because their black, isn't it?


FEAR them? What the f*ck is the matter with you? They are combat rifles. They are designed to kill people. That is a simple fact. Just because you choose to ignore their design purpose, does not make you any less stupid for asserting their noble qualities.

If you need a rifle with a 30 round clip to go hunting, there are two reasons why:

1) You are a sh*t shot.
2) You harbor fantasies of a world collapse, invest in gold, listen to Glenn Beck, and want to overthrow they tyrannical government,

In short, idiotic.


Okay, let's say I'm a "sh*t shot". The only way for me to get better is through practice. Is there something wrong with that?

As for harboring fantasies about world collapse I think it's unlikely but if it happens I'm going to want to defend myself from Glenn Beck fans.

You keep your ancestors in a pasture?

Weird.
 
2013-01-25 01:47:48 PM  

salsashark1: The AR-15 appears nowhere in the constitution.

FACT!


Which means that the government has no authority to ban it.
 
2013-01-25 01:50:34 PM  

dr_blasto: jso2897: in my mind, they all look like this:

You have a strange mind.


You should see how *I* think...
www.rockpapershotgun.com
 
2013-01-25 01:54:12 PM  

Rich Cream: NewportBarGuy: Fark It: You tell us, soldier, you're the one who swore an oath to protect and defend it with your life.

Unless you're lying about that too.

What the f*ck? I now work for the Veterans Administration making sure vets get their medications. Disabled vets like myself. Making sure we take care of those we sent into battle, their widow, orphans...

Go f*ck yourself.


Awesome. That's one way to hide behind wounded vets and orphans.

/did one have anything to do with the other?


...and why would you send widows and orphans into battle, you sick fark?
 
2013-01-25 02:02:16 PM  

m053486: ///G-Dad has a Narisaka (sp?) rifle I will inherent when he leaves our pastures.


Arisaka.
 
2013-01-25 02:05:27 PM  

MythDragon: Rich Cream: NewportBarGuy: Fark It: You tell us, soldier, you're the one who swore an oath to protect and defend it with your life.

Unless you're lying about that too.

What the f*ck? I now work for the Veterans Administration making sure vets get their medications. Disabled vets like myself. Making sure we take care of those we sent into battle, their widow, orphans...

Go f*ck yourself.


Awesome. That's one way to hide behind wounded vets and orphans.

/did one have anything to do with the other?

...and why would you send widows and orphans into battle, you sick fark?



I don't know. Ask him.
 
2013-01-25 02:11:06 PM  

MythDragon: Rich Cream: NewportBarGuy: Fark It: You tell us, soldier, you're the one who swore an oath to protect and defend it with your life.

Unless you're lying about that too.

What the f*ck? I now work for the Veterans Administration making sure vets get their medications. Disabled vets like myself. Making sure we take care of those we sent into battle, their widow, orphans...

Go f*ck yourself.


Awesome. That's one way to hide behind wounded vets and orphans.

/did one have anything to do with the other?

...and why would you send widows and orphans into battle, you sick fark?


What else are they good for?
 
2013-01-25 02:31:51 PM  

m053486: Oh, in case it wasn't clearly implied, my grandad was the dude with the BAR.

Would love to get him in on this, but he's too busy not giving a f@ck what people online have to say about his service. He's also not a fan of technology (at least, technology that isn't mechanical in nature, and doesn't result in the deaths of asians from Nippon).

He would also probably ban-hammer himself by calling you racial epithets.

F&cking love that old dude.

/Not because he's racist. Gonna excuse that based on the years he spent fighting the Japanese. Was still fighting the war as late as 1999, when he welcomed a group of Japanese tourists in HI to martial combat.
//They didn't accept.


Sounds like my grandfather. He was in the navy in WW2. His ship was at Gaudalcanal, and later at Japan right when they announced the war was over. He was racist for years till an aunt of mine married a Japanese man, who has been one of the greatest additions to our family. His stories are always interesting. He later became a missionary, so I was shocked when one day he was telling me about how when they stopped at a port their philosophy was "find em, feel em, fark em, forget em". He's 89 now, and I keep telling my sons they should talk to him more. Once he's gone those stories are gone.
 
2013-01-25 02:34:19 PM  

Rich Cream: [upload.wikimedia.org image 450x164]

The thing about this is that no one got killed by these guys. Despite the thousand rounds and body armor and high-powered rifles no one got killed (except the two gunmen themselves).

So explain to me why this one-time incident is used as proof we need military-grade peace officers at all times?


When the zombies attack.
 
2013-01-25 02:51:31 PM  

Deep Contact: Rich Cream: [upload.wikimedia.org image 450x164]

The thing about this is that no one got killed by these guys. Despite the thousand rounds and body armor and high-powered rifles no one got killed (except the two gunmen themselves).

So explain to me why this one-time incident is used as proof we need military-grade peace officers at all times?

When the zombies attack.


Great! Then the zombies will have military-grade, black, high-powered ASSAULT weapons of death and torture.

Thanks a lot O'bama.
 
2013-01-25 02:52:39 PM  

m053486: Aaaaand, just read your profile, Brony.

May you continue on your path of awesome, and continue to save lives. Your area is lucky to have you. Tip o' the cap, and all that.

/No snark at all, actually cool to see a Good Person on Fark.


Heh. I hope we never have to meet, actually. That would mean either you're a kid and your parents are highly irresponsible for letting you on FARK, or your own kid is in dire need of a children's hospital.

/good morning. where's my coffee.
 
2013-01-25 03:06:25 PM  
Anyone who uses the phrase "thirty round clip" has no business talking about rifles.
 
2013-01-25 03:35:56 PM  
I need an AR-15 in case I'm attacked by a mob that's been enraged by an offensive YouTube video.

Obama informs me that sort of thing can and does happen.
 
2013-01-25 03:40:01 PM  

muck4doo: He's 89 now, and I keep telling my sons they should talk to him more. Once he's gone those stories are gone.


I wish i had gotten a chance to discuss "the war" with my grandfather. I asked him when I was a child, and he told me he drove tow trucks during the war. It wasn't until he was long dead that my father told me it was a lie told to a child, and that he had seen and done horrifying things, and that my father still remembers granddad waking up screaming in the middle of the night all the time from the troubled memories.

/Of course, in hindsight, it doesnt make much sense that he would be driving a tow truck while island hopping....
 
2013-01-25 04:04:57 PM  

Alonjar: muck4doo: He's 89 now, and I keep telling my sons they should talk to him more. Once he's gone those stories are gone.

I wish i had gotten a chance to discuss "the war" with my grandfather. I asked him when I was a child, and he told me he drove tow trucks during the war. It wasn't until he was long dead that my father told me it was a lie told to a child, and that he had seen and done horrifying things, and that my father still remembers granddad waking up screaming in the middle of the night all the time from the troubled memories.

/Of course, in hindsight, it doesnt make much sense that he would be driving a tow truck while island hopping....


My other grandfather died before i could ever really talk to him. He fought in Europe. After he died I found out from others he was in a unit that found a death camp. Which one, I don't know. He used to get pissed at holocaust deniers from what I was told, because he saw one(death camp). He passed away in the late 80's, lived in TX, and I only met him twice. I was raised in CA, and we didn't get out to meet him much. There also were issues between him and my grandmother that didn't help. I also wish i could have talked to him more. That's what I don't want my sons to regret.
 
2013-01-25 04:10:49 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Frank N Stein: You don't know what single shot is and you call a magazine a clip. You ain't proficient in shiat.

Semantics, as I've stated.

Single-round down range per trigger pull... Single-shot.

Magazine... what you subscribe to.


sleekupload.com

A Rifle "Clip" is a device that holds ammunition together during reloading, and is used to facilitate reloading a Rifle's (or in some cases, an old pistol's) internal ammunition storage. A Rifle (or pistol) "Magazine" is a device that is usually spring loaded and can be detached from the Rifle (or pistol), containing a variable number of single rounds of ammunition compressed to facilitate feeding into the chamber of an auto-loading firearm.

/Try to keep your future arguments from displaying your ignorance.
//You'll last longer :)
 
2013-01-25 04:14:56 PM  

washington-babylon: NewportBarGuy: Frank N Stein: You don't know what single shot is and you call a magazine a clip. You ain't proficient in shiat.

Semantics, as I've stated.

Single-round down range per trigger pull... Single-shot.

Magazine... what you subscribe to.

[sleekupload.com image 600x480]

A Rifle "Clip" is a device that holds ammunition together during reloading, and is used to facilitate reloading a Rifle's (or in some cases, an old pistol's) internal ammunition storage. A Rifle (or pistol) "Magazine" is a device that is usually spring loaded and can be detached from the Rifle (or pistol), containing a variable number of single rounds of ammunition compressed to facilitate feeding into the chamber of an auto-loading firearm.

/Try to keep your future arguments from displaying your ignorance.
//You'll last longer :)


You think that will keep that marine core soldier from posting more idiocy?
 
2013-01-25 04:15:56 PM  
Since the subject changed to war vets let me put this out there--talk to the vet geezers and learn their stories.

My wife's relative they call "Uncle Floyd" finally opened up and told us everything you might imagine about killing Japs, etc., but so many of his life's incidents were humorous tales of one thing leading to another.

The very short vesion is basically he was poor during the depression, hunted squirrels and raccoons for bartering in town, went into a partnership with a guy who invented the trap-shooting jacket, converted a dummy bomb into an auxiliary fuel tank for his car so he could steal jet fuel to go on weekend leaves (gas was rationed), went off to war and was a tail-gunner & bombardier on a Black Cat PB-Y Catalina flying boat, impersonated a Colonel to get into a party, accidentally got his picture on the cover of Stars & Stripes, was wanted by the MPs to make sure this unidentified Colonel wasn't a spy, had to sneak home in a body bag to escape detention, resumed his job selling shooting jackets, partied with astronauts and governors in Florida, and told me how much he thought Eddie Bauer was an asshole.

The actual Eddie Bauer. Uncle Floyd butted heads with the guy back in the day.

It's amazing the lives some of these old guys had.
 
2013-01-25 04:16:18 PM  

washington-babylon:
/Try to keep your future arguments from displaying your ignorance.
//You'll last longer :)


Almost of the ignorance on this subject here is willful.

But it's just semantics, right? We should just let the child molesters use whatever terms they want.
 
2013-01-25 04:33:31 PM  

fickenchucker: Since the subject changed to war vets let me put this out there--talk to the vet geezers and learn their stories.

My wife's relative they call "Uncle Floyd" finally opened up and told us everything you might imagine about killing Japs, etc., but so many of his life's incidents were humorous tales of one thing leading to another.

The very short vesion is basically he was poor during the depression, hunted squirrels and raccoons for bartering in town, went into a partnership with a guy who invented the trap-shooting jacket, converted a dummy bomb into an auxiliary fuel tank for his car so he could steal jet fuel to go on weekend leaves (gas was rationed), went off to war and was a tail-gunner & bombardier on a Black Cat PB-Y Catalina flying boat, impersonated a Colonel to get into a party, accidentally got his picture on the cover of Stars & Stripes, was wanted by the MPs to make sure this unidentified Colonel wasn't a spy, had to sneak home in a body bag to escape detention, resumed his job selling shooting jackets, partied with astronauts and governors in Florida, and told me how much he thought Eddie Bauer was an asshole.

The actual Eddie Bauer. Uncle Floyd butted heads with the guy back in the day.

It's amazing the lives some of these old guys had.


Agreed. :)
 
2013-01-25 05:10:53 PM  

Phinn: I need an AR-15 in case I'm attacked by a mob that's been enraged by an offensive YouTube video.

Obama informs me that sort of thing can and does happen.


That's what happens when you pull aggro from the tank, dumbass.
 
2013-01-25 05:31:15 PM  
Sorry, everyone. That's why I usually don't drink Bourbon. Birthday celebration got a bit out of hand.

No excuse. I apologize for being an asshole.
 
2013-01-25 06:30:41 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Frank N Stein: borg: Oh, my God! self-loading rifles are sooooo scary.

Sounds too close to self-aware rifles. Better not chance it.

Self aware weapons? That would be .... interesting.
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2013-01-25 08:03:24 PM  

ChuDogg: muck4doo: Fail in Human Form: muck4doo: Had a Glock 22(.40 S&W) for years, n ...

My only gripe about a Glock, and keep in mind I carry my Glock 36 daily, is that you have to get used to the trigger. My accuracy with it was pretty low compared to my other pistols until I got used to it through several range trips.

It comes with practice. You're going to have that long first pull, but if you practice with it, you will learn Glock. After that first heavy long pull, you only have to move your finger forward a little. You will feel a click. It's a hair trigger at that point. If you practice, you will be amazed at the double and triple taps you can do. Triple taps are a waste, doubles work nice. With practice you learn how to place your finger to just about make that second shot almost automatically happen. I say triple taps are a waste because my time with Glock was with model 22(.40 S&W). By the time your third tap came on doing that method the barrel would be pointing about 45 degrees up because of recoil. It's a wasted shot. That might not be the case with the Glock 17, but it was the case I found with the 22. Next time you go to the range, slow fire that first shot. Then slowly let you finger move forward. You will be surprised at how little it needs to go to give you a light and crisp trigger pull on the follow up. Training. Training. Training.

LEOs tyoically have the NYC trigger. Glock actually called it that because they had to make it specifically for them with a higher trigger weight pull. Obstensibly to reduce negligent discharge, it has the side effect of reducing accuracy. Which explains why NYC cops always take out a few innocent bystanders anytime they use their weapon.

If you are buying a civilian model, make sure to research its trigger weight pull and don't buy the LEO model.


I've instructed police recruits in firearms at our state academy for roughly 10 years.  In those 10 years, during which we inspect and test fire every single weapon issued to every single recruit, I've run across two that had the NYC trigger pull.  That trigger pull was designed, initially, specifically for the NYPD.  Very, very few other agencies use it.
 
2013-01-26 01:49:40 AM  

BronyMedic: violentsalvation: I have a Bulgarian Makarov, neat little pistol.

COMMUNIST! I bet you voted for Obummer too! :P

In all seriousness, I still love you. Your bit of abuse there was a nice distraction from watching videos of trauma team codes for the past two hours on kids.


Sorry, I just thought DRIVEAMBULANCE was silly enough to post. :D I remember convincing savant and fly navy, but I believe in newportbarguy's work history. I've seen enough of his posts to be convinced. I think he was sorta trolling the individual he was arguing with, since he's tired of the semantics of the debate.
 
2013-01-26 05:34:47 AM  

BronyMedic: NewportBarGuy: Fark It: You tell us, soldier, you're the one who swore an oath to protect and defend it with your life.

Unless you're lying about that too.

What the f*ck? I now work for the Veterans Administration making sure vets get their medications. Disabled vets like myself. Making sure we take care of those we sent into battle, their widow, orphans...

Go f*ck yourself.

What was your MOS? Where did you do basic and what year did you do it? What was your first duty station?

What is MEPS?

Are you a naval aviator?

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Please. He's one of the most prolific posters on Fark and has been for as long as I can remember. If he were FlyNavy ver. 2.0, he'd have been discovered long ago.

Not everyone who leaves military service can be bothered to use the "proper" names for shiat that doesn't matter anymore.

And people sometimes have a bad day. No need to pull the "I'm more hardcore than you" crap.
 
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