Braggi: If people need them for militias to overthrow the government then cops need them to stop the militias.

State and local police are the only real organized militia we've got.

MassAsster: Some how, two guys
for giggles, lets say these two

were able able to out gun multiple officers with weapons that were better capable for a shootout at a distance then the standard issued hand gun and could simply just out do, out perform and out shoot what every officer had on scene making it so dire that police officers had to literally go to the gun store in order to compete.

Wait, you're saying that rifles are more capable than pistols? I'm *SHOCKED*.

Braggi: If people need them for militias to overthrow the government then cops need them to stop the militias.

And vice-versa. It's a nice little balance-of-power there. You know what you have when the police have a monopoly on the use of force? A police state.

Homeland security posted a recieving bids blurb on a government contract eebsite for AR15 patterned personal defense weapons. They really make a case as to how well suited the AR platform is for personal defense due to the ARs size, modability, and reliability.

Cant link on mobile but if interested google homeland security AR personal defense weapon.

Of course the authoritarians here think only government should be able to defend themselves.....against dogs and OWS types.

hdhale: Actually the AR-15 and similar are extremely good at taking out smaller mammals and provide many people with an excellent quality, general purpose hunting rifle that doesn't need to be reloaded every couple of minutes.

One of the things people also don't generally recognize is the difference between the AR-15 of 1994 and the AR-15 of today: Today, you can swap the upper receiver/barrel assembly for a bunch of different calibers for different purposes. You might have a standard AR-15 upper in .223 Remington for self-defense use, another in the same caliber but with a heavy barrel and scope for varmint hunting or target shooting, another in a larger caliber like 6.8mm SPC or 7.62x39mm for deer hunting, and a *BIG* caliber like .50 Beowulf or .450 Bushmaster for things like bears.

All of those cartridges fit in a standard AR-15 magazine, and because you use the same basic design for the upper receiver/barrel assembly, and you use the same exact lower receiver/stock assembly, you don't have to get used to handling multiple rifles.

You can even get AR-15 uppers in .22 LR, though you can't use the same magazines with them, obviously.

The AR-15 has become the "Swiss Army Knife" of the gun world because it is so flexible and extendable, and with proper tuning, it's about as accurate as you can make a semi-automatic rifle. It's useful for home defense use, hunting of just about any game animal you will find in North America including large, dangerous game like brown bears, and down to squirrels and rabbits (using different calibers, of course), and it's accurate enough that it's commonly used for target shooting.

In fact, it's common enough, and flexible enough, that there is zero way a ban on AR-15s can be either constitutional or effective.

ChuDogg: Giltric: Homeland security posted a recieving bids blurb on a government contract eebsite for AR15 patterned personal defense weapons. They really make a case as to how well suited the AR platform is for personal defense due to the ARs size, modability, and reliability.

Cant link on mobile but if interested google homeland security AR personal defense weapon.

Of course the authoritarians here think only government should be able to defend themselves.....against dogs and OWS types.

I posted the link upthread a bit.

ah awesome just clicking headlines without reading the thread so far.

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: The whole 2nd amendment idea of gun control is racist.

FTFY.

Supporting law review articles:

"Never Intended to be Applied to the White Population": Firearms Regulation and Racial Disparity--The Redeemed South's Legacy to a National Jurisprudence?

The Second Amendment: Toward an Afro-Americanist Reconsideration

The Racist Roots of Gun Control

Gun Control and Economic Discrimination: The Melting-Point Case-in-Point

Redefining the Second Amendment: The Antebellum Right to Keep and Bear Arms and Its Present Legacy

I admittedly didn't read the whole thread, because most of it is herpity derpity on both sides of the argument, especially the bits between NewportBarGuy and Frank N Stein.

I just came in to see why there were so many posts. This is not news. Every department I know of here permits officers to purchase an AR-15 or even an AK-47 and carry it in their patrol vehicle as long as they are department certified to use it. SWAT is issued M16's, and patrol seargents are issued AR's. I'm failing to see the big deal. They aren't using taxpayer money on the weapons, they're making the officers pay for it themselves.

jso2897: in my mind, they all look like this:

You have a strange mind.

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Frank N Stein: NewportBarGuy: Frank N Stein: constitutional implications.

Blacks were 3/5ths a person. Women had no vote.

Preach to me again about the import of that f*cking piece of paper.

"There was slavery 150 years ago, therefore the federal government should be able to institute an official religion"

Cool argument, bro.

Love it when people pick and choose parts of the Constitution.

It's sooooooooo creative.

There is a process to fix the Constitution if it is indeed found to be wanting. The founding fathers weren't fools, they knew that times change and the Constitution would have to be "adjusted" to those times. We've done it to fix the problem of slavery, for example.

So, if the people owning arms is such a bad thing, pass an amendment repealing the Second Amendment.

i have no problem with the marion pd, properly trained, carrying AR15s.

Dimensio: Farce-Side: I admittedly didn't read the whole thread, because most of it is herpity derpity on both sides of the argument, especially the bits between NewportBarGuy and Frank N Stein.

I just came in to see why there were so many posts. This is not news. Every department I know of here permits officers to purchase an AR-15 or even an AK-47 and carry it in their patrol vehicle as long as they are department certified to use it. SWAT is issued M16's, and patrol seargents are issued AR's. I'm failing to see the big deal. They aren't using taxpayer money on the weapons, they're making the officers pay for it themselves.

The "big deal" relates to the claim that such firearms are suitable only for "killing as many people as possible as quickly as possible". The implication of that claim with police officers possessing them is either that police officers are tasked with "killing as many people as possible as quickly as possible" or that advocates of prohibiting civilian ownership of such firearms are liars. Based upon my own experiences, both with rifles and with advocates of prohibiting ownership of such rifles, I tend to accept the latter implication.

OHHHHHHH i get it now, so it's one big trolling exercise. Got it.

To clarify my position before I get derped on, I think cops should be able to have AR-15's. I think I should be able to have AR-15's too. I don't think EVERYONE should have AR-15's, because those convicted of violent crimes and those who are mentally unstable are known to be quite dangerous. Hey, isn't there already a law against those people owning guns?

/Now herp-a-derp in 3....2....

Using media over-hyped emotionally charged events to spread fear and get legislation passed? Thumbs up!
Using media over-hyped emotionally charged events to spread fear and equip police departments? Thumbs up!

It's a when win situation