BronyMedic: violentsalvation: Doesn't mean I'm going to question his military record like an asshole.

Sorry, I've lived through FLYNAVY and Wife-Like Typing guy. If he was actually in the military, I'll apologize to him. But there are plenty of people on FARK who claim to be in/have been in the military who are blatent liars about it.

I do tend to question anyone who calls a magazine a clip and then claims to have been in the military.

I knew people who did that, but I was in a comm unit so we didn't get a lot of trigger time.

wildlifer: muck4doo: Fail in Human Form: violentsalvation: muck4doo: violentsalvation: BronyMedic: fusillade762: BronyMedic: There's no cure for stupid this incredible.

Wait... just to be clear, which one of us is stupid? If it's me please feel free to say so. It wouldn't be the first time. Or the last.

Oh, no. I'm talking about NewportBarGuy's insane trolling through this entire thread. Plus his attempt to one-up FLYNAVY.


You're seriously calling him out for arguing with and semi-trolling a drunk guy? Please tell us more about your medical heroics and why your gun-toting counterparts need modern sporting rifles anymore than anyone else, DRIVEAMBULANCE.

I prefer a mini-14 myself to ar-15's. I sold mine several years ago, and now wonder if i can ever buy one again when i get the money. I like them because they are fun and cheap to shoot. Also, you try shooting 100 rounds of 30-06 in a session at the target range for rifle practice.

I also prefer a mini-14 over an AR, for everything but coyote calling. I don't care if I scuff up the plastic on my AR laying real low in the mesquite and the dirt. I try to keep the mini 14 out of all that. I love the wood stocks. I own and enjoy shooting "assault rifles" but I'm really traditional in what I actually prefer to shoot.

I never had a mini-14 but I've always heard their accuracy is pretty bad in comparison to an ar-15. Not "minute of pie plate bad" but "4 inch groups at 100 yards bad". Accurate?

Accurate enough. The CA dept of corrections trusts them enough to arm their watch tower guards with them at their prisons. I liked them because they were simpler than the ar-15. It's the same reason I got a Browning Buck Mark pistol instead of the Ruger, even though both had about the same accuracy, but the Ruger more durability. The Buck Mark is just a lot easier to strip, clean, and take care of. Though I found out the hard way little parts can go wrong, even on the simpler pistol. Had a Glock 22(.40 S&W) for years, never a prob ...

My father has one. I liked my mini-14 in comparison. Though I can tell it wasn't as durable. Not that it jams(only will if you use cheap after market magazines), or isn't as accurate, more that will take a lot more punishment and last longer, like the Ruger Mk2 vs Browning Buck Mark. The AK is simpler, and will have less go wrong with it. The less parts you have, the less that can go wrong. That's part of why Glocks are so popular.

wildlifer: muck4doo: Fail in Human Form: violentsalvation: muck4doo: violentsalvation: BronyMedic: fusillade762: BronyMedic: There's no cure for stupid this incredible.

Wait... just to be clear, which one of us is stupid? If it's me please feel free to say so. It wouldn't be the first time. Or the last.

Oh, no. I'm talking about NewportBarGuy's insane trolling through this entire thread. Plus his attempt to one-up FLYNAVY.


You're seriously calling him out for arguing with and semi-trolling a drunk guy? Please tell us more about your medical heroics and why your gun-toting counterparts need modern sporting rifles anymore than anyone else, DRIVEAMBULANCE.

I prefer a mini-14 myself to ar-15's. I sold mine several years ago, and now wonder if i can ever buy one again when i get the money. I like them because they are fun and cheap to shoot. Also, you try shooting 100 rounds of 30-06 in a session at the target range for rifle practice.

I also prefer a mini-14 over an AR, for everything but coyote calling. I don't care if I scuff up the plastic on my AR laying real low in the mesquite and the dirt. I try to keep the mini 14 out of all that. I love the wood stocks. I own and enjoy shooting "assault rifles" but I'm really traditional in what I actually prefer to shoot.

I never had a mini-14 but I've always heard their accuracy is pretty bad in comparison to an ar-15. Not "minute of pie plate bad" but "4 inch groups at 100 yards bad". Accurate?

Accurate enough. The CA dept of corrections trusts them enough to arm their watch tower guards with them at their prisons. I liked them because they were simpler than the ar-15. It's the same reason I got a Browning Buck Mark pistol instead of the Ruger, even though both had about the same accuracy, but the Ruger more durability. The Buck Mark is just a lot easier to strip, clean, and take care of. Though I found out the hard way little parts can go wrong, even on the simpler pistol. Had a Glock 22(.40 S&W) for years, never a prob ...

The only problem with the AK is you either have to buy one with a NATO length stock, swap it out on your own, or have really short arms lol.

muck4doo: violentsalvation: I have a Bulgarian Makarov, neat little pistol.

I want to check out the Bulgarians next time i go to a gun show. I've heard good things about them. Won't buy one, I already got a Russian, but do want to check them out.

I have one, it's a fun little pistol and damn reliable. I actually know someone who carries one.

muck4doo: Had a Glock 22(.40 S&W) for years, n ...

My only gripe about a Glock, and keep in mind I carry my Glock 36 daily, is that you have to get used to the trigger. My accuracy with it was pretty low compared to my other pistols until I got used to it through several range trips.

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violentsalvation: Doesn't mean I'm going to question his military record like an asshole.

Sorry, I've lived through FLYNAVY and Wife-Like Typing guy. If he was actually in the military, I'll apologize to him. But there are plenty of people on FARK who claim to be in/have been in the military who are blatent liars about it.

I do tend to question anyone who calls a magazine a clip and then claims to have been in the military.

To be fair to him, the vast majority of people in the military do nothing combat related. The only time the get to handle a firearm is when they have to qualify before they deploy. Having read his posts, I'm guessing he works in the legal office. He knows just enough terminology to sound like he's dealt with those issues, i.e. court marshals, but not enough to actually say anything intelligent about them....and that's if he's in the military at all

Fail in Human Form: muck4doo: Had a Glock 22(.40 S&W) for years, n ...

My only gripe about a Glock, and keep in mind I carry my Glock 36 daily, is that you have to get used to the trigger. My accuracy with it was pretty low compared to my other pistols until I got used to it through several range trips.

It comes with practice. You're going to have that long first pull, but if you practice with it, you will learn Glock. After that first heavy long pull, you only have to move your finger forward a little. You will feel a click. It's a hair trigger at that point. If you practice, you will be amazed at the double and triple taps you can do. Triple taps are a waste, doubles work nice. With practice you learn how to place your finger to just about make that second shot almost automatically happen. I say triple taps are a waste because my time with Glock was with model 22(.40 S&W). By the time your third tap came on doing that method the barrel would be pointing about 45 degrees up because of recoil. It's a wasted shot. That might not be the case with the Glock 17, but it was the case I found with the 22. Next time you go to the range, slow fire that first shot. Then slowly let you finger move forward. You will be surprised at how little it needs to go to give you a light and crisp trigger pull on the follow up. Training. Training. Training.

"The new guns will ultimately be paid for by the officers themselves who are taking a deduction in their paychecks to make this happen."

Is bring your own gun common in law enforcement?

violentsalvation: I have a Bulgarian Makarov, neat little pistol.

COMMUNIST! I bet you voted for Obummer too! :P

In all seriousness, I still love you. Your bit of abuse there was a nice distraction from watching videos of trauma team codes for the past two hours on kids.

imasig: "The new guns will ultimately be paid for by the officers themselves who are taking a deduction in their paychecks to make this happen."

Is bring your own gun common in law enforcement?

Many rural and small departments require their officers to provide their own firearms. They're given a list of "approved" weapons, and get to choose which they carry since they buy them. The only thing the department provides is the ammunition after that.

imasig: "The new guns will ultimately be paid for by the officers themselves who are taking a deduction in their paychecks to make this happen."

Is bring your own gun common in law enforcement?

Depends on the department, at least that's my understanding. Some will issue you one, others will give you a list of approved firearms you can use and reimburse you for the cost, yet others will issue you one but you can buy one you prefer from an approved list at your own cost if you don't want to use the issue weapon. Here, special deputies for the Sheriff's dept get an approved list and NOT reimbursed, but then again it's not a paid position.

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Around here, it's a given that every sheriff's vehicle carries an AR

/ the reason they need them is all the delusional f*ckwits who rush out to buy them every time they think their precious right to blow the f*ck out of things is threatened

L.A. cops have had them in the cars since the North Hollywood shootout. Mostly because of the realization that anyone can order military-level body armor online and that 9-mm rounds just bounce off that stuff.

TheJoe03: Ow! That was my feelings!: I'm willing to turn in my AR if the Cops do the same. That is my gun owner compromise. Yeah, never gonna happen, we are farked.

I feel the same. You hear people on the gun control side talk up a place like the UK's gun policy, and that's fine, but even there they disarmed the regular cops as well.

This is very funny when you consider the fact that England has a higher violent crime rate than the US, or even South Africa.

Spaced Lion: TheJoe03: Ow! That was my feelings!: I'm willing to turn in my AR if the Cops do the same. That is my gun owner compromise. Yeah, never gonna happen, we are farked.

I feel the same. You hear people on the gun control side talk up a place like the UK's gun policy, and that's fine, but even there they disarmed the regular cops as well.

This is very funny when you consider the fact that England has a higher violent crime rate than the US, or even South Africa.

This has been covered before, but the UK tallies violent crime much differently than the United States does. In the UK, it only takes the "potential" for violence to be counted as a violent crime, i.e. the victim felt threatened.

BronyMedic: violentsalvation: I have a Bulgarian Makarov, neat little pistol.

COMMUNIST! I bet you voted for Obummer too! :P


A good design is a good design. I don't care what type of government it comes from. The Makarov is perhaps the greatest little blowback design ever made. If you aren't armed, that may be the one for you.

BronyMedic: Spaced Lion: TheJoe03: Ow! That was my feelings!: I'm willing to turn in my AR if the Cops do the same. That is my gun owner compromise. Yeah, never gonna happen, we are farked.

I feel the same. You hear people on the gun control side talk up a place like the UK's gun policy, and that's fine, but even there they disarmed the regular cops as well.

This is very funny when you consider the fact that England has a higher violent crime rate than the US, or even South Africa.

This has been covered before, but the UK tallies violent crime much differently than the United States does. In the UK, it only takes the "potential" for violence to be counted as a violent crime, i.e. the victim felt threatened.

Would be interested to see that in Fark.Com terms. Many here seem to feel threatened.

muck4doo: BronyMedic: violentsalvation: I have a Bulgarian Makarov, neat little pistol.

COMMUNIST! I bet you voted for Obummer too! :P


A good design is a good design. I don't care what type of government it comes from. The Makarov is perhaps the greatest little blowback design ever made (for the price). If you aren't armed, that may be the one for you.

FTFY ;-)

Fail in Human Form: muck4doo: BronyMedic: violentsalvation: I have a Bulgarian Makarov, neat little pistol.

COMMUNIST! I bet you voted for Obummer too! :P


A good design is a good design. I don't care what type of government it comes from. The Makarov is perhaps the greatest little blowback design ever made (for the price). If you aren't armed, that may be the one for you.

FTFY ;-)

You going to spend a few extra hundred dollars on a Walther?

The back of the hand biting Walther?

muck4doo: Fail in Human Form: muck4doo: BronyMedic: violentsalvation: I have a Bulgarian Makarov, neat little pistol.

COMMUNIST! I bet you voted for Obummer too! :P


A good design is a good design. I don't care what type of government it comes from. The Makarov is perhaps the greatest little blowback design ever made (for the price). If you aren't armed, that may be the one for you.

FTFY ;-)

You going to spend a few extra hundred dollars on a Walther?

Why put a price on SWAG?



That gun has gotten him more pussy than a PETA Kill shelter.

/Walther P99 is a great looking firearm, btw.

muck4doo: Fail in Human Form: muck4doo: BronyMedic: violentsalvation: I have a Bulgarian Makarov, neat little pistol.

COMMUNIST! I bet you voted for Obummer too! :P


A good design is a good design. I don't care what type of government it comes from. The Makarov is perhaps the greatest little blowback design ever made (for the price). If you aren't armed, that may be the one for you.

FTFY ;-)

You going to spend a few extra hundred dollars on a Walther?

I have both...well 3 actually... Bulgarian Makarov, PPK/S (.380) and PP (.32) :-)

The Makarov is 10x better than anything Walther ever came up with. Or did you have another blowback in mind?

muck4doo: The back of the hand biting Walther?

The PPK/S kinda fixed that, although after shooting for a while I do notice carbon marks from the slide on the webbing of my hand.

muck4doo: The Makarov is 10x better than anything Walther ever came up with. Or did you have another blowback in mind?

VP70 count?

When I saw this I thought it would be the Fontana Ca School Police getting AR-15s! It bothers me that so many cops now have these at their disposal, but school cops, are not most school cops rejects from real police forces? Link

Kids. Don't listen to these men. Fire a Makarov. Fire a Walther. One fits your hand and fires beautifully with 9x18 ammunition. The other bites the web of your hand, fires like shiat, and costs hundreds dollars more. It also fires .380 ammunition. Yeah, the choice is clear. If you want to try to pretend to be James Bond buy a crappy Walther.

just_another_asshole/jaa: When I saw this I thought it would be the Fontana Ca School Police getting AR-15s! It bothers me that so many cops now have these at their disposal, but school cops, are not most school cops rejects from real police forces? Link

If you're talking about college school cops, they're typically trained in the same school that State Police/State Troopers go to, and are considered state employees.

If you're talking about School Resource Officers, they're typically hired specifically for that purpose, or it's a "retirement" type of position given out to officers who only have a few years left till their pension kicks in. SROs are considered a "vacation" duty posting, as they rarely have to do anything physical, and spend most of their time mentoring or setting around relaxing.

If you want rejects, they're the ones typically found handling reports or working in the motor pool.

muck4doo: Kids. Don't listen to these men. Fire a Makarov. Fire a Walther. One fits your hand and fires beautifully with 9x18 ammunition. The other bites the web of your hand, fires like shiat, and costs hundreds dollars more. It also fires .380 ammunition. Yeah, the choice is clear. If you want to try to pretend to be James Bond buy a crappy Walther.

Or if you want to be a dirty, filthy Russian whore, fire a Makarov. Real Men use classic german styling.

NewportBarGuy: If you need a rifle with a 30 round clip to go hunting, there are two reasons why:

1) You are a sh*t shot.
2) You harbor fantasies of a world collapse, invest in gold, listen to Glenn Beck, and want to overthrow they tyrannical government,

In short, idiotic.


Quick protip: the 2nd amendment isn't about hunting

/gun thread!!
//taking a shot
///of whiskey

My current dilemma is... do I place a "kick'em all out" bid on the mags I'm trying to get on gunbroker, put a bid in on some Ruger BX-25 mags, or buy more 7.62x39... choices :-/

/Also kicking around the idea of buying a Tokarev but I already have a CZ-52
//What say you Farkers?

Fail in Human Form: muck4doo: The back of the hand biting Walther?

The PPK/S kinda fixed that, although after shooting for a while I do notice carbon marks from the slide on the webbing of my hand.

Believe me. I wanted to like those pistols, but couldn't. Walthers rely on legend, and aren't good. Kind of like Colt.

BronyMedic: muck4doo: Kids. Don't listen to these men. Fire a Makarov. Fire a Walther. One fits your hand and fires beautifully with 9x18 ammunition. The other bites the web of your hand, fires like shiat, and costs hundreds dollars more. It also fires .380 ammunition. Yeah, the choice is clear. If you want to try to pretend to be James Bond buy a crappy Walther.

Or if you want to be a dirty, filthy Russian whore, fire a Makarov. Real Men use classic german styling.

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Nice! :)

muck4doo: Fail in Human Form: muck4doo: The back of the hand biting Walther?

The PPK/S kinda fixed that, although after shooting for a while I do notice carbon marks from the slide on the webbing of my hand.

Believe me. I wanted to like those pistols, but couldn't. Walthers rely on legend, and aren't good. Kind of like Colt.

If you've got "meaty" hands I'd say Makarov all day... and I agree about Colt

/Good weapons but the price depends on the name

BronyMedic: muck4doo: The Makarov is 10x better than anything Walther ever came up with. Or did you have another blowback in mind?

VP70 count?

No.

The best war is not to get in war at all. But if you are going to have weapons, know them.

/War is stupid.

muck4doo: The best war is not to get in war at all. But if you are going to have weapons, know them.

/War is stupid.

Sometimes you need a 30 year war. That's what humans do.

Deep Contact: muck4doo: The best war is not to get in war at all. But if you are going to have weapons, know them.

/War is stupid.

Sometimes you need a 30 year war. That's what humans do.

Due to the cost of a modern military operation, a 30 year war would be ruinous.

Deep Contact: muck4doo: The best war is not to get in war at all. But if you are going to have weapons, know them.

/War is stupid.

Sometimes you need a 30 year war. That's what humans do.

It's not the tools that kill. It's the stupidity of those handling them. That's something Feinstein will never get. The Happy Land murders in NYC killed 87. That was done with a match and some fuel.The guy is eligible for parole in 2015.

muck4doo: Deep Contact: muck4doo: The best war is not to get in war at all. But if you are going to have weapons, know them.

/War is stupid.

Sometimes you need a 30 year war. That's what humans do.

It's not the tools that kill. It's the stupidity of those handling them. That's something Feinstein will never get. The Happy Land murders in NYC killed 87. That was done with a match and some fuel.The guy is eligible for parole in 2015.

Feinstein has a vision for the future that isn't hampered by her rhetoric she uses to sell it or facts.

Fail in Human Form: Deep Contact: muck4doo: The best war is not to get in war at all. But if you are going to have weapons, know them.

/War is stupid.

Sometimes you need a 30 year war. That's what humans do.

Due to the cost of a modern military operation, a 30 year war would be ruinous.

Sounds best not to get involved in them. Our operations have cost us the most defending places like germany, worst korea, and japan. It's time we stop. That's not even bringing up the costs of iraq and afghanistan. Let the Europeans cover it. They did the damage.

muck4doo: Kids. Don't listen to these men. Fire a Makarov. Fire a Walther. One fits your hand and fires beautifully with 9x18 ammunition. The other bites the web of your hand, fires like shiat, and costs hundreds dollars more. It also fires .380 ammunition. Yeah, the choice is clear. If you want to try to pretend to be James Bond buy a crappy Walther.

Fark It: patrol rifles

LOL. When a sniveling citizen wants one they're "military-style assault weapons." When cops want them they're "patrol rifles." Bunch of Orwellian horseshiat.

You picked up on that too.
I find it interesting how the media (an industry that makes its money on words) can throw around an invented term like "assault weapons" and pretend as if it doesn't matter, but when they are ready they can dig up something antiquated like "patrol rifle" to help distinguish good guns from bad guns.


/Also, if they are planning to buy "AR-15's" then good luck. Most places are sold out for the remainder of the year.
/Unless they really intend to buy M-16's, with the happy button option.
/In which case they are buying very bad guns and the reporter is fiercely trying to smooth it over.

way south: Fark It: patrol rifles

LOL. When a sniveling citizen wants one they're "military-style assault weapons." When cops want them they're "patrol rifles." Bunch of Orwellian horseshiat.

You picked up on that too.
I find it interesting how the media (an industry that makes its money on words) can throw around an invented term like "assault weapons" and pretend as if it doesn't matter, but when they are ready they can dig up something antiquated like "patrol rifle" to help distinguish good guns from bad guns.


/Also, if they are planning to buy "AR-15's" then good luck. Most places are sold out for the remainder of the year.
/Unless they really intend to buy M-16's, with the happy button option.
/In which case they are buying very bad guns and the reporter is fiercely trying to smooth it over.

I'm all for the government buying crappy weapons.

I think the true Fark-worthy story is over on the right side of the page.  And I wonder if these photos are yet in public domain?

BronyMedic: just_another_asshole/jaa: When I saw this I thought it would be the Fontana Ca School Police getting AR-15s! It bothers me that so many cops now have these at their disposal, but school cops, are not most school cops rejects from real police forces? Link

If you're talking about college school cops, they're typically trained in the same school that State Police/State Troopers go to, and are considered state employees.

If you're talking about School Resource Officers, they're typically hired specifically for that purpose, or it's a "retirement" type of position given out to officers who only have a few years left till their pension kicks in. SROs are considered a "vacation" duty posting, as they rarely have to do anything physical, and spend most of their time mentoring or setting around relaxing.

If you want rejects, they're the ones typically found handling reports or working in the motor pool.

It is the Fontana Unified school district- high school, middle, elementary, you know the place your children would be going if you lived there, and had/have children!

Allow me to piss off both sides of this argument by pointing out that these "assault weapons" are jive-ass toys.
They take a low-powered, innaccurate semi-auto carbine and festoon it up with "military" features that are useless to anyone but a soldier in the field, and sell it for a fat markup.
They have two real functions - to con the dollars out of stupid, macho gun-fappers pockets, and to scare the shiat out of ignorant liberals who don't know anything about guns.
That's all they are especially good for - that and enriching those who make and sell them.

Frankly, I'd be embarrassed to be seen with one of the things - in my mind, they all look like this:

just_another_asshole/jaa: BronyMedic: just_another_asshole/jaa: When I saw this I thought it would be the Fontana Ca School Police getting AR-15s! It bothers me that so many cops now have these at their disposal, but school cops, are not most school cops rejects from real police forces? Link

If you're talking about college school cops, they're typically trained in the same school that State Police/State Troopers go to, and are considered state employees.

If you're talking about School Resource Officers, they're typically hired specifically for that purpose, or it's a "retirement" type of position given out to officers who only have a few years left till their pension kicks in. SROs are considered a "vacation" duty posting, as they rarely have to do anything physical, and spend most of their time mentoring or setting around relaxing.

If you want rejects, they're the ones typically found handling reports or working in the motor pool.

It is the Fontana Unified school district- high school, middle, elementary, you know the place your children would be going if you lived there, and had/have children!

Does the Fontana School district have a mass murder problem? Or are you being dramatic. Feinstein is there to protect you either way.

jso2897: Allow me to piss off both sides of this argument by pointing out that these "assault weapons" are jive-ass toys.
They take a low-powered, innaccurate semi-auto carbine and festoon it up with "military" features that are useless to anyone but a soldier in the field, and sell it for a fat markup.
They have two real functions - to con the dollars out of stupid, macho gun-fappers pockets, and to scare the shiat out of ignorant liberals who don't know anything about guns.
That's all they are especially good for - that and enriching those who make and sell them.

Frankly, I'd be embarrassed to be seen with one of the things - in my mind, they all look like this:
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Are you done?

jso2897:
They take a low-powered, innaccurate semi-auto carbine

You need to google the "camp perry shooting competition" for starters, then come back here and admit you don't know wtf you're talking about.