Ow! That was my feelings!: I'm willing to turn in my AR if the Cops do the same. That is my gun owner compromise. Yeah, never gonna happen, we are farked.

I feel the same. You hear people on the gun control side talk up a place like the UK's gun policy, and that's fine, but even there they disarmed the regular cops as well.

BronyMedic: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Have you considered penis enlargement surgery? That would have a 0% chance of butchering 26 kindergarteners.

To be fair, 26 children means a LOT of blood, and some ammunition is cheap. Have you SEEN the cost of interior red paint lately? It's outrageous. I can't afford sacrifices to the Lord God Slanaash with paint anymore, and he's getting a bit pissy lately about it. Animals just aren't cutting it for him anymore, man.

Personally, using rock salt loads in a 410 brings him the most pleasure. I think it's those screams. Like the seagulls on a beach in the morning as the tide receeds. Especially if you aim for the chest or abdomen.

It is definitely a trade-off I have trouble making sometimes... the more blood the victim has, the more likely he will be able to get away. Gun people problems.

GUTSU: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: GUTSU:
It must be nice dancing on the graves on children. Tell me, are you also wearing cleats?

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Keep jerkin' it to the dead kids, I'm sure you and Feinstein would make a good couple.

Yeah like I'd stick my dick in anything that ends in "stein." I'd sooner bed an oriental.

NewportBarGuy: Frank N Stein: constitutional implications.

Blacks were 3/5ths a person. Women had no vote.

Preach to me again about the import of that f*cking piece of paper.

Can everyone please stop butchering the constitution. They were in no way referring to blacks being "3/5ths" of a person.

The wording actually assumes they are full persons. It distinguishes between the contribution to the census from free persons and the contribution from other persons. It's 3/5 of the number of other persons that gets added to the number of free persons. It's not that slaves are 3/5 of a person.

And for the record, it was those who opposed slavery who didn't want them counted and those who favored it who did, because counting them as full persons would mean more representation in Congress for their states (and yet the voting for those states wouldn't involve the slaves voting, of course, so it's even more influence for the slave-holders if they counted fully).

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: It is definitely a trade-off I have trouble making sometimes... the more blood the victim has, the more likely he will be able to get away. Gun people problems.

The trick is if you're not going to use a firearm to use a hammer and make them incapacitated. Or a garrote. You know, I finished playing Hitman:Absolution last night, and went out and strangled the first homeless man I saw with one while chanting satanic verse.

Murder simulators indeed. Violent videogames made me do it!

But if you want to be stylish about it, use an axe.

BronyMedic: Fail in Human Form: Do you want my "evil assault" M1 Carbine (it shoots .30 carbine..basically a pistol round) banned also?

Ooooh. Folding Para-stock or original wood stock?

Inquiring minds want to know.

/M1 Carbine owner.
//The ammo is expensive as shiat.

It's a fixed wood, but it's IMI new production and yeah the ammo prices suck.

knbwhite: Fail in Human Form: NewportBarGuy: Frank N Stein: RIFLE! WE'RE DOOMED

I love how you've excluded those with a 30 round clip.

That's not very 'well regulated' of you.

Do you want my "evil assault" M1 Carbine (it shoots .30 carbine..basically a pistol round) banned also?

/Feinstein does
//I'd mention my SAR-1 but it's banned by name on her newest proposal so I know where you stand on that

I saw a list today and the M1 carbine wasn't on it.

It occured to me today that Feinstein wants to make military style rifles so rare we will mainly see them on movie screens, TV shows and video games, and they would cause less deaths than back yard pools. Hey, mission accomplished!

It has a detachable mag and bayo lug, it would be an assault weapon under her bill.

I suspect that people who own AR-15s don't want the police to have them as well; however, I have no idea why this would be.

violentsalvation: The backdoor registration bothers me, because that has a hint of "oh hey we changed our minds, fork it over".

KFC game day bucket go boom

violentsalvation: You're seriously calling him out for arguing with and semi-trolling a drunk guy? Please tell us more about your medical heroics and why your gun-toting counterparts need modern sporting rifles anymore than anyone else, DRIVEAMBULANCE.

See. Everyone was having fun in here until dudley douchebag had to show up and try to ruin the party.

Go back to the bong, buddy. Just take a nice, deep breath and inhale it in. It'll help you get the stick out of your ass.

NewportBarGuy: A rifle that fires 5.56mm, even in single-shot iterations, with a 30-round clip?

I havent looked yet. Have the gun people come and decided that what this thread really needs to be about is your use of the term "clip" yet?

GAT_00: We're already well on our way to 3rd world country status.  Why not arm the police like we are and just cut to the chase?

Ah, but India doesn't have armed cops. I'd have to get more data on other low rent countries with excessive governments. The thugishly over powered regimes tend to be lacking real governance.

Cops tend to be well armed in order to curtail incidents like the Mumbai incident. Just like clock tower doors are kept locked.

violentsalvation: BronyMedic: fusillade762: BronyMedic: There's no cure for stupid this incredible.

Wait... just to be clear, which one of us is stupid? If it's me please feel free to say so. It wouldn't be the first time. Or the last.

Oh, no. I'm talking about NewportBarGuy's insane trolling through this entire thread. Plus his attempt to one-up FLYNAVY.


You're seriously calling him out for arguing with and semi-trolling a drunk guy? Please tell us more about your medical heroics and why your gun-toting counterparts need modern sporting rifles anymore than anyone else, DRIVEAMBULANCE.

I prefer a mini-14 myself to ar-15's. I sold mine several years ago, and now wonder if i can ever buy one again when i get the money. I like them because they are fun and cheap to shoot. Also, you try shooting 100 rounds of 30-06 in a session at the target range for rifle practice.

Fail in Human Form: It's a fixed wood, but it's IMI new production and yeah the ammo prices suck.

Ewwww. Surplus is the way to go. Sure, it costs a little more, and it's a little more scratched, but it makes a hell of a style statement.

/M1 Garand would make a nice deer rifle if you don't mind 30-06. All the cool kids are using 7mm, it seems.

TheVeryDeadIanMartin: I suspect that people who own AR-15s don't want the police to have them as well; however, I have no idea why this would be.

Yet current and retired LEOs are exempt from her bill. Amazing isn't it.

/Guns in Government hands is apparently fine
//Guns in private citizen's hands, "ZOMG call the people with the state approved weapons to kill them"!
///I think Freud had something to say regarding this

BronyMedic: Public Savant: FTA: The officers would be allowed to carry these weapons in their police vehicles once properly trained, and would be only used to neutralize a potential threat, according to Daugherty.

So what the hell have they been using their sidearm for all these years?!

Yeah, why would patrolmen need assault rifles, anyway? (Video NSFW, shows cops getting ambushed and murdered) I mean, they'd never need a reason to use them, right? (Video NSFW, shows cops getting ambushed and shot, and bad-ass gamewarden fu with an M4 rifle.)

/West Memphis, 2010.

Yes, that's right - don't bother seeing the fine print when you can whargarbl it.

AR-15? Wimps.

BronyMedic: Fail in Human Form: It's a fixed wood, but it's IMI new production and yeah the ammo prices suck.

Ewwww. Surplus is the way to go. Sure, it costs a little more, and it's a little more scratched, but it makes a hell of a style statement.

/M1 Garand would make a nice deer rifle if you don't mind 30-06. All the cool kids are using 7mm, it seems.

I just joined the CMP program and a Garand in 30-06 is on my "will buy" list :-)

/I could have bought one on just on my C&R but CMP has some good deals from time to time so I figured why not

NewportBarGuy: NewportBarGuy: Your point?

I thought so, <b>Frank</b>. There is nothing defensible about the AR-15, AK-47, or any other weapon designed primarily for the killing of human beings. "But, it's only single-shot!" Yeah. Wow. You can get the people who know nothing about guns to scratch their head at that, not those who know the weapon.

Three-shot burst vs. no-three-shot-burst... There is no such thing as a fully automatic M4 that is issued to combat MOS in the armed forces that are not SOCOM.

The argument about "machine gun"... total bullsh*t. It's not a "machine gun". SAWs fill that role.

Just yield and move on.

Talking to yourself? Ban military-style assualt alts!

violentsalvation: and why your gun-toting counterparts need modern sporting rifles anymore than anyone else

I never said they deserve "modern sporting rifles" more than anyone else. But nice putting words in my mouth.

At any rate, I don't have to "say" anything. I can show you. Your kind gets off on watching cops (It's pigs, right?) get murdered, so I figured I'd provide you with some jerk material. (NSFW) That fight was ended by a Game Warden using his M-4 in a particularly bad-ass way.

Considering MPD's Organized Crime Unit pulled an actual LAW off the streets of Orange Mound in a raid last year (not the tube, but an actual, live LAW) as well as regularly going against bangers armed with automatic weapons, I'm pretty okay with them carrying ARs. It is quite literally an arms race out there with criminals.

And it's our fault because of the war on drugs, yes. But that's not likely to change soon, is it?

Bomb Head Mohammed: NewportBarGuy: A rifle that fires 5.56mm, even in single-shot iterations, with a 30-round clip?

I havent looked yet. Have the gun people come and decided that what this thread really needs to be about is your use of the term "clip" yet?

We're giving Newport a pass cause he's Newport. Don't think for a second YOU get a pass, however!

BronyMedic: Fail in Human Form: It's a fixed wood, but it's IMI new production and yeah the ammo prices suck.

Ewwww. Surplus is the way to go. Sure, it costs a little more, and it's a little more scratched, but it makes a hell of a style statement.

/M1 Garand would make a nice deer rifle if you don't mind 30-06. All the cool kids are using 7mm, it seems.

This is why I brought up sporting rifles. They are great on the practice range. You can get in a lot of practice for a decent price. You can't do the same with 30-06 and higher. Those rounds cost a lot more, and they aren't easy on the body, though I heard the M1 Garand is easy going as far as that goes. Never fired one myself, so I don't know.

Public Savant: Yes, that's right - don't bother seeing the fine print when you can whargarbl it

I'm sorry, what fine print is there? Your paranoid fear of armed cops doesn't change the fact that they're up against people armed the same.

The fact of the matter is that street cops are basically in an arms race with the gangs they're put there to protect us from. Side arms are useless against people who are using high powered, fully automatic weapons or weapons which have large-capacity magazines and FMJ bullets. Doubly so against people who are using high-level, military grade body armor like the North Hollywood shoot out.

Did the United States create that problem? Yeah, they most certainly did with draconian drug laws when compared with the rest of the world. Is it going to change anytime soon? Probibly not.

violentsalvation: muck4doo: violentsalvation: BronyMedic: fusillade762: BronyMedic: There's no cure for stupid this incredible.

Wait... just to be clear, which one of us is stupid? If it's me please feel free to say so. It wouldn't be the first time. Or the last.

Oh, no. I'm talking about NewportBarGuy's insane trolling through this entire thread. Plus his attempt to one-up FLYNAVY.


You're seriously calling him out for arguing with and semi-trolling a drunk guy? Please tell us more about your medical heroics and why your gun-toting counterparts need modern sporting rifles anymore than anyone else, DRIVEAMBULANCE.

I prefer a mini-14 myself to ar-15's. I sold mine several years ago, and now wonder if i can ever buy one again when i get the money. I like them because they are fun and cheap to shoot. Also, you try shooting 100 rounds of 30-06 in a session at the target range for rifle practice.

I also prefer a mini-14 over an AR, for everything but coyote calling. I don't care if I scuff up the plastic on my AR laying real low in the mesquite and the dirt. I try to keep the mini 14 out of all that. I love the wood stocks. I own and enjoy shooting "assault rifles" but I'm really traditional in what I actually prefer to shoot.

I never had a mini-14 but I've always heard their accuracy is pretty bad in comparison to an ar-15. Not "minute of pie plate bad" but "4 inch groups at 100 yards bad". Accurate?

The officers would be allowed to carry these weapons in their police vehicles once properly trained, and would be only used to neutralize a potential threat, according to Daugherty.

I would rather they use them only in cases of ACTUAL threats, but that's just me

doglover: Fark It: patrol rifles

LOL. When a sniveling citizen wants one they're "military-style assault weapons." When cops want them they're "patrol rifles." Bunch of Orwellian horseshiat.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but LA has had them since the 90's.

Since 1997. Before that, many departments armed their people with Mini-14s or 30s.

I'm not against SWAT teams and such having assault rifles available for situations that might actually require them, but it's incredibly dangerous for regular cops to be carrying them routinely. Between the rapid semiautomatic fire, the large clip, and (most importantly) using a rifle round, it's way too easy for them to put bullets all the way through the bad guy, whatever he's standing in front of, and whatever (or whomever) happens to be downrange for the next half mile or so.

BronyMedic: Public Savant: Yes, that's right - don't bother seeing the fine print when you can whargarbl it

I'm sorry, what fine print is there? Your paranoid fear of armed cops doesn't change the fact that they're up against people armed the same.

The fact of the matter is that street cops are basically in an arms race with the gangs they're put there to protect us from. Side arms are useless against people who are using high powered, fully automatic weapons or weapons which have large-capacity magazines and FMJ bullets. Doubly so against people who are using high-level, military grade body armor like the North Hollywood shoot out.

Did the United States create that problem? Yeah, they most certainly did with draconian drug laws when compared with the rest of the world. Is it going to change anytime soon? Probibly not.

Some of us are fighting like hell to end the drug war. We did just legalize Cannabis out this way. Yeah, yeah, drop in the proverbial bucket, but there is real, passionate resistance backed by dollars and facts fighting back. Unfortunately, myself and others have been forced to shift to fight off a prohibitionist gun control push. *sigh* Tough, at this point, to be optimistic about anything though.

violentsalvation: muck4doo: violentsalvation: BronyMedic: fusillade762: BronyMedic: There's no cure for stupid this incredible.

Wait... just to be clear, which one of us is stupid? If it's me please feel free to say so. It wouldn't be the first time. Or the last.

Oh, no. I'm talking about NewportBarGuy's insane trolling through this entire thread. Plus his attempt to one-up FLYNAVY.


You're seriously calling him out for arguing with and semi-trolling a drunk guy? Please tell us more about your medical heroics and why your gun-toting counterparts need modern sporting rifles anymore than anyone else, DRIVEAMBULANCE.

I prefer a mini-14 myself to ar-15's. I sold mine several years ago, and now wonder if i can ever buy one again when i get the money. I like them because they are fun and cheap to shoot. Also, you try shooting 100 rounds of 30-06 in a session at the target range for rifle practice.

I also prefer a mini-14 over an AR, for everything but coyote calling. I don't care if I scuff up the plastic on my AR laying real low in the mesquite and the dirt. I try to keep the mini 14 out of all that. I love the wood stocks. I own and enjoy shooting "assault rifles" but I'm really traditional in what I actually prefer to shoot.

I need to get myself a nice little rifle again. Mini-14 is my first choice, but also love lever action Marlins. I sold most my guns, and only have 3 handguns left. A broke muck4doo is a pawning muck4doo. A Russian(yes Russian not chinese or czech) Makarov, a Browning Buck Mark, and a Taurus 669 CP revolver. The Taurus I bought for fishing trips about 20 years ago, but it proved worthless at night. I could fire the strongest .357 loads on the market though it, but the muzzle flash was blinding. Never owned a shotgun, though i know i should have.

GUTSU: Hahahaha, are you serious? Do you also think they shoot baby-skull seeking rounds?

Bullets going through walls and hitting random people is a serious problem. That's why they invented frangible rounds for home defense. It's not at all uncommon to hear about people getting killed by stray bullets in shootouts. Using rifle rounds massively compounds the problem by using a much higher velocity round that can penetrate much tougher obstacles and has a greater maximum range.

Fail in Human Form: violentsalvation: muck4doo: violentsalvation: BronyMedic: fusillade762: BronyMedic: There's no cure for stupid this incredible.

Wait... just to be clear, which one of us is stupid? If it's me please feel free to say so. It wouldn't be the first time. Or the last.

Oh, no. I'm talking about NewportBarGuy's insane trolling through this entire thread. Plus his attempt to one-up FLYNAVY.


You're seriously calling him out for arguing with and semi-trolling a drunk guy? Please tell us more about your medical heroics and why your gun-toting counterparts need modern sporting rifles anymore than anyone else, DRIVEAMBULANCE.

I prefer a mini-14 myself to ar-15's. I sold mine several years ago, and now wonder if i can ever buy one again when i get the money. I like them because they are fun and cheap to shoot. Also, you try shooting 100 rounds of 30-06 in a session at the target range for rifle practice.

I also prefer a mini-14 over an AR, for everything but coyote calling. I don't care if I scuff up the plastic on my AR laying real low in the mesquite and the dirt. I try to keep the mini 14 out of all that. I love the wood stocks. I own and enjoy shooting "assault rifles" but I'm really traditional in what I actually prefer to shoot.

I never had a mini-14 but I've always heard their accuracy is pretty bad in comparison to an ar-15. Not "minute of pie plate bad" but "4 inch groups at 100 yards bad". Accurate?

Accurate enough. The CA dept of corrections trusts them enough to arm their watch tower guards with them at their prisons. I liked them because they were simpler than the ar-15. It's the same reason I got a Browning Buck Mark pistol instead of the Ruger, even though both had about the same accuracy, but the Ruger more durability. The Buck Mark is just a lot easier to strip, clean, and take care of. Though I found out the hard way little parts can go wrong, even on the simpler pistol. Had a Glock 22(.40 S&W) for years, never a problem. For some reason the .22 pistol had parts wear out faster. Could be because i shot it a lot more too though.

/I also prefer a wood stock to plastic, therefore mini-14

Mitrovarr: but it's incredibly dangerous for regular cops to be carrying them routinely. Between the rapid semiautomatic fire, the large clip, and (most importantly) using a rifle round, it's way too easy for them to put bullets all the way through the bad guy, whatever he's standing in front of, and whatever (or whomever) happens to be downrange for the next half mile or so.

Cops here shot up a knife wielding guy they'd cornered at a bus stop. And and middle age Chinese lady who was shopping in the store next door. Guess who's responsible for paying for your medical treatment when the cops accidentally shoot you? You are.

Mitrovarr: GUTSU: Hahahaha, are you serious? Do you also think they shoot baby-skull seeking rounds?

Bullets going through walls and hitting random people is a serious problem. That's why they invented frangible rounds for home defense. It's not at all uncommon to hear about people getting killed by stray bullets in shootouts. Using rifle rounds massively compounds the problem by using a much higher velocity round that can penetrate much tougher obstacles and has a greater maximum range.

That's why they need to be trained if they are going to use them. Pistols and shotguns don't take as much training as rifles in an urban setting. I prefer the experts only handle them on police forces.

/No, not all cops are experts.

King Something: NewportBarGuy: Frank N Stein: NewportBarGuy: A rifle that fires 5.56mm, even in single-shot iterations, with a 30-round clip?

5.56 sounds like an overkill. They should carry something in .223

That's cute. Let's see what it does to the skull of an 8-year-old.

Do you want to be the one to tell him that 5.56 and .223 are essentially the same thing, or should I do it?

I say use .222 (in France hunting calibre without permit, whereas .223 is military only and totaly forbidden for civilian)

Fail in Human Form: TheVeryDeadIanMartin: I suspect that people who own AR-15s don't want the police to have them as well; however, I have no idea why this would be.

Yet current and retired LEOs are exempt from her bill. Amazing isn't it.

/Guns in Government hands is apparently fine
//Guns in private citizen's hands, "ZOMG call the people with the state approved weapons to kill them"!
///I think Freud had something to say regarding this

Whether or not I agree with the logic of people who think like that, your delusional straw man argument is delusional. Clearly someone holding that position believes that firearms can be useful tools in the hands of (supposedly) skilled and regulated men and women. If you HAVE to make up an imaginary argument to debate against, the more appropriate argument would be that they seem to feel that the risks of owning firearms, of merely having them around, equate with the risks of performing surgery or some other occupation where there is zero tolerance for 'skilled amateurs' to practice, regardless of whether they totally took a 4 hour safety course once and practice at least a hour a month. Much like the back alley butt injections guy being arrested earlier this week for practicing medicine without a license and a number of other crimes, the argument isn't whether X percentage of people could safely perform surgery with the right tools and know how, it's that Z percentage are utter morons who shouldn't be allowed to hold human life in their hands. Should we not regulate doctors and surgery then? Clearly there is no possible physical prevention of idiots injecting liquid silicone into the asses of stupid people for $200 a shot. CRIMINAL DOCTORS DON'T OBEY LAWS, DUMPASS. So clearly any and all regulation is useless, yes? That's what you're arguing? No? Then don't make up stupid arguments for your opponent just so you can quote retarded facebook poster logic at them. Make your own position clear and let it stand on it's own merit.

violentsalvation: Doesn't mean I'm going to question his military record like an asshole.

Sorry, I've lived through FLYNAVY and Wife-Like Typing guy. If he was actually in the military, I'll apologize to him. But there are plenty of people on FARK who claim to be in/have been in the military who are blatent liars about it.

I do tend to question anyone who calls a magazine a clip and then claims to have been in the military.

NewportBarGuy: Blacks were 3/5ths a person.

As a matter of parliamentary procedure, I feel it necessary to point out that blacks were actually 0/5 of a person. They got no vote, nor did their owners get extra votes.

The 3/5 was for the purpose of proportioning representatives in the HoR and determining tax burdens.

wildcardjack: GAT_00: We're already well on our way to 3rd world country status.  Why not arm the police like we are and just cut to the chase?

Ah, but India doesn't have armed cops. I'd have to get more data on other low rent countries with excessive governments. The thugishly over powered regimes tend to be lacking real governance.

Cops tend to be well armed in order to curtail incidents like the Mumbai incident. Just like clock tower doors are kept locked.

India does have armed cops.
I've been searched for drugs in Goa, and the 2 cops were carying assault rifles.
Farking Lee-Enfields! (or something just as old, it was dark)
As for " thugishly over powered regimes", well, they tend to have AK's or AR's for their "police" everywhere I've been.

muck4doo: Fail in Human Form: violentsalvation: muck4doo: violentsalvation: BronyMedic: fusillade762: BronyMedic: There's no cure for stupid this incredible.

Wait... just to be clear, which one of us is stupid? If it's me please feel free to say so. It wouldn't be the first time. Or the last.

Oh, no. I'm talking about NewportBarGuy's insane trolling through this entire thread. Plus his attempt to one-up FLYNAVY.


You're seriously calling him out for arguing with and semi-trolling a drunk guy? Please tell us more about your medical heroics and why your gun-toting counterparts need modern sporting rifles anymore than anyone else, DRIVEAMBULANCE.

I prefer a mini-14 myself to ar-15's. I sold mine several years ago, and now wonder if i can ever buy one again when i get the money. I like them because they are fun and cheap to shoot. Also, you try shooting 100 rounds of 30-06 in a session at the target range for rifle practice.

I also prefer a mini-14 over an AR, for everything but coyote calling. I don't care if I scuff up the plastic on my AR laying real low in the mesquite and the dirt. I try to keep the mini 14 out of all that. I love the wood stocks. I own and enjoy shooting "assault rifles" but I'm really traditional in what I actually prefer to shoot.

I never had a mini-14 but I've always heard their accuracy is pretty bad in comparison to an ar-15. Not "minute of pie plate bad" but "4 inch groups at 100 yards bad". Accurate?

Accurate enough. The CA dept of corrections trusts them enough to arm their watch tower guards with them at their prisons. I liked them because they were simpler than the ar-15. It's the same reason I got a Browning Buck Mark pistol instead of the Ruger, even though both had about the same accuracy, but the Ruger more durability. The Buck Mark is just a lot easier to strip, clean, and take care of. Though I found out the hard way little parts can go wrong, even on the simpler pistol. Had a Glock 22(.40 S&W) for years, never a problem. For some reason the .22 pistol had parts wear out faster. Could be because i shot it a lot more too though.

/I also prefer a wood stock to plastic, therefore mini-14

Go for an Ak then. Absolute durability. I have a WASR with Romanian G furniture on it, I refinished the wood to my liking.
I have a Turkish Mauser for hitting stuff at long distances. An 8 mm drops a deer or bear quite nicely.
Tacti-cool is stupid, waste of money. A lot of people can't handle recoil, which is why the AR is popular.

BronyMedic: I do tend to question anyone who calls a magazine a clip and then claims to have been in the military.

I'm not sure what sort of nitwit would call a clip a magazine once they are out of the service.

violentsalvation: I have a Bulgarian Makarov, neat little pistol.

I want to check out the Bulgarians next time i go to a gun show. I've heard good things about them. Won't buy one, I already got a Russian, but do want to check them out.