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2013-01-24 08:19:46 PM
Nothing can go wrong here.
 
2013-01-24 08:19:56 PM
Ummm...no.
 
2013-01-24 08:20:37 PM
When armored whiteboards are illegal only criminals will have armored whiteboards.
 
2013-01-24 08:21:59 PM

SpdrJay: Ummm...no.


^
 
2013-01-24 08:22:39 PM
95% of all whiteboards are pieces of garbage which smear and stain rather than erase, and I doubt this will somehow be worth using as a whiteboard.
 
2013-01-24 08:23:01 PM
Ban firearms. And stupid.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-24 08:24:34 PM
What's asinine?  If we aren't going to do anything to prevent shootings, then teachers might as well try to survive them as best they can.
 
2013-01-24 08:25:32 PM
You can erase tear gas?
 
2013-01-24 08:25:47 PM
I can see some limited benefit in these in the case people are trapped in a room without any way or time to evacuate. It could serve to shield anyone holding the door close, and prevent anyone from shooting through the window on a door.
Otherwise, it is pretty silly.
 
2013-01-24 08:26:04 PM
aside from teachers the only other demographic would be nerds, but let's face it if a nerd war ramps up you can forget it, by assault v2.5 they've already moved on to somthing that would vaporize a bullet proof white board.

Besides, after I spend an hour or two working out a problem I would be throwing myself between the shooter and the white board.

Hypnozombie
 
2013-01-24 08:27:15 PM
Make every room a safe room.
 
2013-01-24 08:28:53 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-24 08:30:52 PM
Why lock your doors when someone can break through windows, and kick in doors, and derp.
 
2013-01-24 08:33:21 PM
Dude's going to make a ton of money on this. If it ever saves any lives it'll be worth it.

/Spitballs will also make a great splat when they hit the thing, so there's that.
 
2013-01-24 08:34:07 PM
Can we make the whole school out of Kevlar?
 
2013-01-24 08:34:19 PM

vpb: What's asinine?  If we aren't going to do anything to prevent shootings, then teachers might as well try to survive them as best they can.


We are doing something. We are petitioning for teacher concealed carry. Just because it's not your solution doesn't mean it isn't one.

These can be in the classroom as well. Perhaps it can be a students desktop that detaches as a shield. However, without an armed teacher, this is merely a delaying tactic, and not a very good one at that. Maybe she can hold off the shooter till the janitor arrives.
 
2013-01-24 08:39:09 PM
www.thetruthaboutguns.com
Belligerent H.S. Principal Assell and the school's new English dept are busy preparing the upcoming curriculum.
 
2013-01-24 08:39:45 PM
This is stupid just do what Joe Biden recommended and buy a shotgun and a box of shells and booby trap the doors with it.
 
2013-01-24 08:39:57 PM

spacelord321: vpb: What's asinine?  If we aren't going to do anything to prevent shootings, then teachers might as well try to survive them as best they can.

We are doing something. We are petitioning for teacher concealed carry. Just because it's not your solution doesn't mean it isn't one.

These can be in the classroom as well. Perhaps it can be a students desktop that detaches as a shield. However, without an armed teacher, this is merely a delaying tactic, and not a very good one at that. Maybe she can hold off the shooter till the janitor arrives.


...with his mop/bucket of whoop-ass?
 
2013-01-24 08:40:42 PM
I could see education funds being better spent elsewhere.

Maybe America could pull its dick out of its ass and actually fund proper mental health services?
Naaaah. That's a stupid euro idea.
 
2013-01-24 08:41:12 PM
How many teachers teach off a handheld whiteboard?
 
2013-01-24 08:42:10 PM
next up gcc teardrop.c -O3
 
2013-01-24 08:42:38 PM
How about a Bullet Resistant Polycarbonate shield that surrounds each classroom desk.
 
2013-01-24 08:42:59 PM

wxboy: How many teachers teach off a handheld whiteboard?


Exactly one, but she's sort of not a teacher. You can tell from the plunging v-neck she's wearing.
 
2013-01-24 08:47:19 PM

Vangor: 95% of all whiteboards are pieces of garbage which smear and stain rather than erase, and I doubt this will somehow be worth using as a whiteboard.


The whiteboard part is a monomolecular layer of smooth plastic.

Anything can be a good whiteboard.
 
2013-01-24 08:47:23 PM
Next up: apple grenades

/well, as soon as Apple patents them, anyway
 
2013-01-24 08:48:34 PM

spacelord321: These can be in the classroom as well. Perhaps it can be a students desktop that detaches as a shield. However, without an armed teacher, this is merely a delaying tactic, and not a very good one at that. Maybe she can hold off the shooter till the janitor arrives.


"In the event a deranged maniac is hellbent on shooting every last one of you in this classroom, your desktop can be used as a shield. Simply unclip the four quick release hinges, pull up firmly, and assume the defensive position we all taught you at last week's assembly."

Glad I'm out of school. This shiat would suck for everyone, students and teachers.
 
2013-01-24 08:50:17 PM
For the last decade, if not longer, I've heard the Right argue about how teachers are overpaid, how they get three months off so fark them, how they could give a damn less about funding education, and how they could give a damn less about teacher's unions.

Now, all of a sudden, we're supposed to have the money to buy "bullet proof" whiteboards. We can suddenly afford trained security guards for each an every school. Now, the most important characteristic of a teacher is apparently their skill with a firearm and their skill in using it in combat situations.

farking idiots. I'm done trying to reason with any of them.
 
2013-01-24 08:50:41 PM

spamdog: I could see education funds being better spent elsewhere.

Maybe America could pull its dick out of its ass and actually fund proper mental health services?
Naaaah. That's a stupid euro idea.


Mass shooting only started being a big problem when reagan closed mental hospitals is a talking point I've kind picked up on.

I don't know if I really believe it, but gun laws are stricter, crime's down, yet mass shooting increase.
 
2013-01-24 08:51:03 PM
Teacher of the future:
captain-america.us
 
2013-01-24 08:53:07 PM
I don't think the guys at the Onion could've ever predicted this
 
2013-01-24 08:54:19 PM

born_yesterday: For the last decade, if not longer, I've heard the Right argue about how teachers are overpaid, how they get three months off so fark them, how they could give a damn less about funding education, and how they could give a damn less about teacher's unions.

Now, all of a sudden, we're supposed to have the money to buy "bullet proof" whiteboards. We can suddenly afford trained security guards for each an every school. Now, the most important characteristic of a teacher is apparently their skill with a firearm and their skill in using it in combat situations.

farking idiots. I'm done trying to reason with any of them.


Keep in mind how many armed security guards are minimum wage drones, though. It really fits right in

/Henceforth teachers will be expected to spend their Summers acting as armed security guards at birthday parties, and bar and bat mitzvahs.
 
2013-01-24 08:58:06 PM

valkore: spacelord321: These can be in the classroom as well. Perhaps it can be a students desktop that detaches as a shield. However, without an armed teacher, this is merely a delaying tactic, and not a very good one at that. Maybe she can hold off the shooter till the janitor arrives.

"In the event a deranged maniac is hellbent on shooting every last one of you in this classroom, your desktop can be used as a shield. Simply unclip the four quick release hinges, pull up firmly, and assume the defensive position we all taught you at last week's assembly."

Glad I'm out of school. This shiat would suck for everyone, students and teachers.


Are you kidding? I can't see a single day going by without at least one boy aged 10-16 in every school starting a removable desktop fight and/or frisbee contest. It's the 2010's Red Scare and nuke drills.
 
2013-01-24 08:58:34 PM
"It's benign. It's not going to hurt anybody. And we can armor an entire school in days," he said.

I really had to look twice to be sure this wasn't an Onion piece.
 
2013-01-24 08:59:43 PM
Just put a wild grizzly bear in all schools, and see the shooting rates drop.
 
2013-01-24 09:07:14 PM
How about not letting mentally unstable democrats have access to firearms?
 
2013-01-24 09:07:28 PM

born_yesterday: For the last decade, if not longer, I've heard the Right argue about how teachers are overpaid, how they get three months off so fark them, how they could give a damn less about funding education, and how they could give a damn less about teacher's unions.

Now, all of a sudden, we're supposed to have the money to buy "bullet proof" whiteboards. We can suddenly afford trained security guards for each an every school. Now, the most important characteristic of a teacher is apparently their skill with a firearm and their skill in using it in combat situations.

farking idiots. I'm done trying to reason with any of them.


Soapbox=|=reasoning
 
2013-01-24 09:08:36 PM
Even inner city schools have interactive white boards hooked up to computers now. They aren't going to downgrade.
 
2013-01-24 09:10:40 PM

doglover: valkore: spacelord321: These can be in the classroom as well. Perhaps it can be a students desktop that detaches as a shield. However, without an armed teacher, this is merely a delaying tactic, and not a very good one at that. Maybe she can hold off the shooter till the janitor arrives.

"In the event a deranged maniac is hellbent on shooting every last one of you in this classroom, your desktop can be used as a shield. Simply unclip the four quick release hinges, pull up firmly, and assume the defensive position we all taught you at last week's assembly."

Glad I'm out of school. This shiat would suck for everyone, students and teachers.

Are you kidding? I can't see a single day going by without at least one boy aged 10-16 in every school starting a removable desktop fight and/or frisbee contest. It's the 2010's Red Scare and nuke drills.


Agreed. Just musing more practical applications.
 
2013-01-24 09:12:01 PM
Several schools, including two grade schools in Maryland, a high school in North Dakota and the University of Delaware, have already ordered or installed the boards.

static.fjcdn.com
 
2013-01-24 09:14:48 PM

vpb: What's asinine?  If we aren't going to do anything to prevent shootings, then teachers might as well try to survive them as best they can.


And since we're not allowed to even discuss options that might result in the shooting not taking place at all, we're left with convoluted plans and silly shiat like this. Wonderful.
 
2013-01-24 09:17:00 PM

spacelord321: doglover: valkore: spacelord321: These can be in the classroom as well. Perhaps it can be a students desktop that detaches as a shield. However, without an armed teacher, this is merely a delaying tactic, and not a very good one at that. Maybe she can hold off the shooter till the janitor arrives.

"In the event a deranged maniac is hellbent on shooting every last one of you in this classroom, your desktop can be used as a shield. Simply unclip the four quick release hinges, pull up firmly, and assume the defensive position we all taught you at last week's assembly."

Glad I'm out of school. This shiat would suck for everyone, students and teachers.

Are you kidding? I can't see a single day going by without at least one boy aged 10-16 in every school starting a removable desktop fight and/or frisbee contest. It's the 2010's Red Scare and nuke drills.

Agreed. Just musing more practical applications.


No, I mean kids would love it.
 
2013-01-24 09:20:22 PM
assets.nydailynews.com
Come at me bro!!!

/Also, does anyone else think she looks like Blair from the Facts of Life.
//Yeah, I am old, bite me.
 
2013-01-24 09:22:22 PM

Great_Milenko: vpb: What's asinine?  If we aren't going to do anything to prevent shootings, then teachers might as well try to survive them as best they can.

And since we're not allowed to even discuss options that might result in the shooting not taking place at all, we're left with convoluted plans and silly shiat like this. Wonderful.


yeah this is right next door to . . . who am I kidding. THIS


I will be eternally surprised if anything changes, even if Gabby Giffords DOES raise a metric ass load of money to buy off the other congressional criminals.
 
2013-01-24 09:24:35 PM
Smeggy Smurf: How about not letting mentally unstable democrats have access to firearms?

in case anyone missed the derp
 
2013-01-24 09:24:38 PM

scotchcrotch: Can we make the whole school out of Kevlar?


One of the guys here wants to cover the ski mountain in Nerf so people won't have to wear helmets.

/funny
 
2013-01-24 09:24:52 PM

doglover: spacelord321: doglover: valkore: spacelord321: These can be in the classroom as well. Perhaps it can be a students desktop that detaches as a shield. However, without an armed teacher, this is merely a delaying tactic, and not a very good one at that. Maybe she can hold off the shooter till the janitor arrives.

"In the event a deranged maniac is hellbent on shooting every last one of you in this classroom, your desktop can be used as a shield. Simply unclip the four quick release hinges, pull up firmly, and assume the defensive position we all taught you at last week's assembly."

Glad I'm out of school. This shiat would suck for everyone, students and teachers.

Are you kidding? I can't see a single day going by without at least one boy aged 10-16 in every school starting a removable desktop fight and/or frisbee contest. It's the 2010's Red Scare and nuke drills.

Agreed. Just musing more practical applications.

No, I mean kids would love it.


Of course. A win / win!
 
2013-01-24 09:26:35 PM
School shootings were rare before we started teaching wussies that they didn't deserve to be bullied.  It just emboldens the little freaks.
 
2013-01-24 09:29:09 PM

largedon: [assets.nydailynews.com image 635x494]
Come at me bro!!!

/Also, does anyone else think she looks like Blair from the Facts of Life.
//Yeah, I am old, bite me.


Pretty sure she's single now. Do a google.
 
2013-01-24 09:33:38 PM
But what if the shooter got it first? He'd be nigh invincible!
 
2013-01-24 09:39:19 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: But what if the shooter got it first? He'd be nigh invincible!


How would he wield his assault rifle accurately?
 
2013-01-24 09:47:35 PM
As long as the ACLU keeps the crazies out of the insane asylums they're going to keep going off like clockwork.

Harris
Klebold
Cheong
Loughner
Holmes
Lanza

You could replicate the shooting sprees of any of these maniacs with 3 idenitcal revolvers and a bag full of moon clips or speed loaders.

deuce45s.com

Sorry President Hussein but your little gun legislation wouldn't do anything about any of these events except make them change guns.
 
2013-01-24 09:50:39 PM
I'm surprised they don't give this to all teachers and tell them "wear it at all times on campus"

Link
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2013-01-24 09:52:45 PM

spacelord321: BraveNewCheneyWorld: But what if the shooter got it first? He'd be nigh invincible!

How would he wield his assault rifle accurately?


Wait, don't assault rifles aim themselves? I heard that they have demonic essence smelted into the metal for maximum blood-lust.
 
2013-01-24 09:56:42 PM

OscarTamerz: As long as the ACLU keeps the crazies out of the insane asylums they're going to keep going off like clockwork.

Harris
Klebold
Cheong
Loughner
Holmes
Lanza

You could replicate the shooting sprees of any of these maniacs with 3 idenitcal revolvers and a bag full of moon clips or speed loaders.

[deuce45s.com image 549x351]

Sorry President Hussein but your little gun legislation wouldn't do anything about any of these events except make them change guns.


i love revolvers, and trust them way way more then mechanical guns

but your a fool if you think someone can pull off a mass shooting with a Revolver and speed loaders

very few disturbed teenagers are competition lvl Cowboy shooters

///anyways a pair of lever actions would be a better choice
 
2013-01-24 09:59:41 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: spacelord321: BraveNewCheneyWorld: But what if the shooter got it first? He'd be nigh invincible!

How would he wield his assault rifle accurately?

Wait, don't assault rifles aim themselves? I heard that they have demonic essence smelted into the metal for maximum blood-lust.


Blood for the blood god!
 
2013-01-24 10:02:25 PM
The article mentions an shooter kicking in doors as a possible reason for this device. As someone who regularly has to force doors open, I'm getting a kick...

Classroom doors can't just be kicked in. The doors are solid fire-rated slabs, usually in a steel frame, usually with a commercial lockset, and almost always swing into the hallway. The small window that is often present is time consuming to get through due to the wire in the glass.

A school shooter is looking to cause as much damage as he can before his time's up. He's not looking to use time trying to break into locked classrooms.
 
2013-01-24 10:05:13 PM

spacelord321: BraveNewCheneyWorld: But what if the shooter got it first? He'd be nigh invincible!

How would he wield his assault rifle accurately?


He could just draw a crosshair on the whiteboard. Instant accuracy bonus.
 
2013-01-24 10:06:21 PM

Feral_and_Preposterous: If it ever saves any lives it'll be worth it.


Interesting logic. Could be applied to any solution.
 
2013-01-24 10:16:31 PM

edmo: Feral_and_Preposterous: If it ever saves any lives it'll be worth it.

Interesting logic. Could be applied to any solution.


thatsthejoke.jpg
 
2013-01-24 10:31:08 PM
I've been asking for regular, non bulletproof white boards for two years now.
 
2013-01-24 10:31:51 PM
Having just gotten my dad one of these for Christmas, I'm getting a kick.
a.tgcdn.net
/Level II body armor clipboard if the image disappears.
//functional gag gift.
 
2013-01-24 10:45:37 PM
Given that most whiteboards are 5' x 6' and bolted to the wall, I fail to see the utility of a bulletproofed one.

For the rest: as with any self-defense item, a riot shield (which is all this is, sports fans, it's a riot shield with a piece of whiteboard material taped to the front) is only useful if it's in your hand at the moment you need it. This means a teacher would have to have it in her hands all day, every day, on the off chance that a shooter bursts through her door and starts firing. Anyone who has spent even one minute in a classroom knows this is not possible. In addition, considering where most teachers stand relative to the door and the class, the shooter is probably not going to be taking out the teacher first anyway. He's going to spray the room, kill all the kids, and finish off the teacher as an afterthought. She won't be "shepherding her charges" out of the room while crouching behind her riot shield/whiteboard. She'll be screaming in horror at the bloodbath.

Oh, and thirdly, using a riot shield takes a lot of practice, and even an untrained shooter knows to go for the knees, which are badly exposed by this whiteboard riot shield. I think this is safely filed under "war profiteering."
 
2013-01-24 10:56:08 PM
That whiteboard will only slow down the shooter till he stops laughing.
 
2013-01-24 10:59:56 PM

born_yesterday: For the last decade, if not longer, I've heard the Right argue about how teachers are overpaid, how they get three months off so fark them, how they could give a damn less about funding education, and how they could give a damn less about teacher's unions.

Now, all of a sudden, we're supposed to have the money to buy "bullet proof" whiteboards. We can suddenly afford trained security guards for each an every school. Now, the most important characteristic of a teacher is apparently their skill with a firearm and their skill in using it in combat situations.

farking idiots. I'm done trying to reason with any of them.


This x2000
 
2013-01-24 11:07:39 PM
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-24 11:08:07 PM

Gyrfalcon: Given that most whiteboards are 5' x 6' and bolted to the wall, I fail to see the utility of a bulletproofed one.

For the rest: as with any self-defense item, a riot shield (which is all this is, sports fans, it's a riot shield with a piece of whiteboard material taped to the front) is only useful if it's in your hand at the moment you need it. This means a teacher would have to have it in her hands all day, every day, on the off chance that a shooter bursts through her door and starts firing. Anyone who has spent even one minute in a classroom knows this is not possible. In addition, considering where most teachers stand relative to the door and the class, the shooter is probably not going to be taking out the teacher first anyway. He's going to spray the room, kill all the kids, and finish off the teacher as an afterthought. She won't be "shepherding her charges" out of the room while crouching behind her riot shield/whiteboard. She'll be screaming in horror at the bloodbath.

Oh, and thirdly, using a riot shield takes a lot of practice, and even an untrained shooter knows to go for the knees, which are badly exposed by this whiteboard riot shield. I think this is safely filed under "war profiteering."


I don't think you've used a shield, been in a classroom, or fired a gun before.
 
2013-01-24 11:14:57 PM

spamdog: I could see education funds being better spent elsewhere.

Maybe America could pull its dick out of its ass and actually fund proper mental health services?
Naaaah. That's a stupid euro idea.


I'm American and I have wanted this for years. It's very frustrating to see it ignored by so many.
 
2013-01-24 11:22:30 PM
Do I have to think of everything around here?
hot-dogma.com
Problem Solved:

/you're welcome
 
2013-01-24 11:33:03 PM

spacelord321: vpb: What's asinine?  If we aren't going to do anything to prevent shootings, then teachers might as well try to survive them as best they can.

We are doing something. We are petitioning for teacher concealed carry. Just because it's not your solution doesn't mean it isn't one.

These can be in the classroom as well. Perhaps it can be a students desktop that detaches as a shield. However, without an armed teacher, this is merely a delaying tactic, and not a very good one at that. Maybe she can hold off the shooter till the janitor arrives.


You know what would have worked in the recent tragedy?
Locks on the classroom doors. There weren't any, so the shooter could walk right in.
Also, if they had wire glass in the front door instead of standard, he couldn't have shot out the front window to reach in and unlock the door.
 
2013-01-24 11:36:11 PM

doglover: Gyrfalcon: Given that most whiteboards are 5' x 6' and bolted to the wall, I fail to see the utility of a bulletproofed one.

For the rest: as with any self-defense item, a riot shield (which is all this is, sports fans, it's a riot shield with a piece of whiteboard material taped to the front) is only useful if it's in your hand at the moment you need it. This means a teacher would have to have it in her hands all day, every day, on the off chance that a shooter bursts through her door and starts firing. Anyone who has spent even one minute in a classroom knows this is not possible. In addition, considering where most teachers stand relative to the door and the class, the shooter is probably not going to be taking out the teacher first anyway. He's going to spray the room, kill all the kids, and finish off the teacher as an afterthought. She won't be "shepherding her charges" out of the room while crouching behind her riot shield/whiteboard. She'll be screaming in horror at the bloodbath.

Oh, and thirdly, using a riot shield takes a lot of practice, and even an untrained shooter knows to go for the knees, which are badly exposed by this whiteboard riot shield. I think this is safely filed under "war profiteering."

I don't think you've used a shield, been in a classroom, or fired a gun before.


All of the above, dearie. Which is why I know. No teacher is going to be able to hold a riot shield while walking around in a typical 4th grade classroom, help out her students, lean over desks, etc. In at least 50% of all classrooms I've ever been in, the door is up front, i.e., where the teacher usually is, so any shooter would be shooting PAST her, TOWARDS the kids, hence, they'd be the first to die (at least, if the shooter opens the door and starts shooting). And that whiteboard only reaches about halfway down the teacher's body, so you just kneecap her, down she goes, her shield is useless. Not hard to do with semiauto fire.

What I also know is that the guy who invented this pasted some whiteboard material on top of a riot shield and is trying to make a quick buck of panicked parents and school board members who feel the need to "do something!" but I also know this crap will be propped in a corner behind a pile of other junk within a week. Any self-defense item is only useful if it's in your hand when you need it, so unless Teacher carries it all day, every day, there's no point in having it. If she grabs for it after her door is kicked in, it's worse than useless.

I further know you've never spent a minute in a classroom since you graduated.
 
2013-01-24 11:46:30 PM
Why can't we just come up with automatic shields like they have in the futurama xmas episode.

/only mostly joking
 
2013-01-24 11:47:26 PM

OscarTamerz: As long as the ACLU keeps the crazies out of the insane asylums they're going to keep going off like clockwork.

Harris
Klebold
Cheong
Loughner
Holmes
Lanza

You could replicate the shooting sprees of any of these maniacs with 3 idenitcal revolvers and a bag full of moon clips or speed loaders.

[deuce45s.com image 549x351]

Sorry President Hussein but your little gun legislation wouldn't do anything about any of these events except make them change guns.


Why start with a reasonable point about people doing the same damage with smaller mags and finish with a moronic point calling the president Hussein?
 
2013-01-24 11:59:42 PM

mrspock42: I can see some limited benefit in these in the case people are trapped in a room without any way or time to evacuate. It could serve to shield anyone holding the door close, and prevent anyone from shooting through the window on a door.
Otherwise, it is pretty silly.


I would imagine that is exactly what it is designed for....
 
2013-01-25 12:10:30 AM

Fool_Marquis: spacelord321: vpb: What's asinine?  If we aren't going to do anything to prevent shootings, then teachers might as well try to survive them as best they can.

We are doing something. We are petitioning for teacher concealed carry. Just because it's not your solution doesn't mean it isn't one.

These can be in the classroom as well. Perhaps it can be a students desktop that detaches as a shield. However, without an armed teacher, this is merely a delaying tactic, and not a very good one at that. Maybe she can hold off the shooter till the janitor arrives.

You know what would have worked in the recent tragedy?
Locks on the classroom doors. There weren't any, so the shooter could walk right in.
Also, if they had wire glass in the front door instead of standard, he couldn't have shot out the front window to reach in and unlock the door.


No arguments here. Those could possibly have saved lives.

However, I personally don't like creating a lockdown / prison-esque environment for the children. This is why I would rather see concealed carry for school faculty. In PA the response seems to be more cops in schools. It's still better than trying to ban guns in an attempt to keep them from the wrong hands, but I feel that it just adds to an already oppressive atmosphere for the kids.
 
2013-01-25 12:22:36 AM
In the old days when a gunman came into the room we'd just wait for the teacher to scrape the chalk on the slate board then jump the farker with our bowie knives.

An armed society may not be a "safe" society but by god its a society that can quickly kill anything that tries to destroy it.

Know what else could have saved lives? Showing the kids the "what" scene and making them watch One Flew Over the Coucoo's Nest. The poor little shiats didn't have a chance of even understanding there was a danger present. More than half of them died because they were coddled and protected so far away from reality that they didn't even know they were being killed.

This whole article is bullshiat for a simple reason.

NOBODY WAS KILLED THROUGH THE GOD DAMNED CONCRETE BLOCK WALLS.

You want kids in school to be safe? Five path lock-down construction with control booth. Turn schools into prisons and run em like prisons.
 
2013-01-25 12:46:19 AM
How is this asinine, Subby?

Oh, I know ... you're a Democrat. Democrats are the Party of Death™ and this is your personal mantra, isn't it. Go ahead. Confess it.

"I that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her panty hose, is morally superior to a woman explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound."
 
2013-01-25 12:52:51 AM
A much cheaper solution would be to require that the kiddies take all their classes online from home, where they can be protected by the contents of Mommy and Daddy's vast armory. Unfortunately, that would eliminate the "free government day care" aspect of public education.
 
2013-01-25 12:58:11 AM

Gyrfalcon: doglover: Gyrfalcon: Given that most whiteboards are 5' x 6' and bolted to the wall, I fail to see the utility of a bulletproofed one.

For the rest: as with any self-defense item, a riot shield (which is all this is, sports fans, it's a riot shield with a piece of whiteboard material taped to the front) is only useful if it's in your hand at the moment you need it. This means a teacher would have to have it in her hands all day, every day, on the off chance that a shooter bursts through her door and starts firing. Anyone who has spent even one minute in a classroom knows this is not possible. In addition, considering where most teachers stand relative to the door and the class, the shooter is probably not going to be taking out the teacher first anyway. He's going to spray the room, kill all the kids, and finish off the teacher as an afterthought. She won't be "shepherding her charges" out of the room while crouching behind her riot shield/whiteboard. She'll be screaming in horror at the bloodbath.

Oh, and thirdly, using a riot shield takes a lot of practice, and even an untrained shooter knows to go for the knees, which are badly exposed by this whiteboard riot shield. I think this is safely filed under "war profiteering."

I don't think you've used a shield, been in a classroom, or fired a gun before.

All of the above, dearie. Which is why I know. No teacher is going to be able to hold a riot shield while walking around in a typical 4th grade classroom, help out her students, lean over desks, etc. In at least 50% of all classrooms I've ever been in, the door is up front, i.e., where the teacher usually is, so any shooter would be shooting PAST her, TOWARDS the kids, hence, they'd be the first to die (at least, if the shooter opens the door and starts shooting). And that whiteboard only reaches about halfway down the teacher's body, so you just kneecap her, down she goes, her shield is useless. Not hard to do with semiauto fire.

What I also know is that the guy ...


How much is a subscription to ITG Weekly?
 
2013-01-25 01:05:34 AM

doglover: How much is a subscription to ITG Weekly?


That's just asinine. Get on my plonk list.
 
2013-01-25 01:30:38 AM

vpb: What's asinine?  If we aren't going to do anything to prevent shootings, then teachers might as well try to survive them as best they can.


^

It's the liberal way. Cry that something needs to be done, then ridicule pretty much every idea on how to fix the issue.
 
2013-01-25 01:34:42 AM
That is stupid, and he should feel bad for coming up with it.
 
2013-01-25 01:40:04 AM
How about a Panic Button that instantly locks every room in the school?

/Because wasting bad guys is so much cooler!
 
2013-01-25 01:50:20 AM

TerminalEchoes: It's the liberal way. Cry that something needs to be done, then ridicule pretty much every idea on how to fix the issue.


Hah! Liberals should take that as a compliment in this case.
 
2013-01-25 02:28:19 AM

largedon: [assets.nydailynews.com image 635x494]
Come at me bro!!!

/Also, does anyone else think she looks like Blair from the Facts of Life.
//Yeah, I am old, bite me.


I was like, is that Blair.

www.arrowgiftshop.com
 
2013-01-25 02:30:57 AM

spamdog: I could see education funds being better spent elsewhere.

Maybe America could pull its dick out of its ass and actually fund proper mental health services?
Naaaah. That's a stupid euro idea.


Would proper mental health services have stoped 9/11?
 
2013-01-25 02:38:37 AM

nuke666: I'm surprised they don't give this to all teachers and tell them "wear it at all times on campus"

Link
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That was farking hilarious!
 
2013-01-25 04:57:35 AM

StoPPeRmobile: spamdog: I could see education funds being better spent elsewhere.

Maybe America could pull its dick out of its ass and actually fund proper mental health services?
Naaaah. That's a stupid euro idea.

Would proper mental health services have stoped 9/11?


yes. and proper mental health services will stop everybody from singing songs. and smoking dope.

a world free of crime
and everyone listening to Beethoven, and living in apartment 101
 
2013-01-25 05:06:14 AM
This would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.

The US seems to be looking at bandaid solutions to patch up the symptoms, not the causes of the problems.

Measures like this one (or arming staff, or fortifying schools) should shame the entire country. The US is looking more and more like a lawless, third world hell hole than the fine country I know it to be.

Can anyone find me another first world developed country that feels it has to put these measures in place to stop mass shootings?

Seems to me like every single section of your society has to compromise except the gun owners.
 
2013-01-25 07:05:22 AM
"Oh, you have that new detachable whiteboard shield. Look at you, shielding your head and chest like a pro. Too bad the rest of you is wide open." *BLAM* *BLAM*

Clemkadidlefark: How is this asinine, Subby?

Oh, I know ... you're a Democrat. Democrats are the Party of Death™ and this is your personal mantra, isn't it. Go ahead. Confess it.

"I that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her panty hose, is morally superior to a woman explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound."


Now THAT is some insane ranting right there. Yeah, instead of tackling the root fundamental reasons for violence, let's just accept that the blood of children and innocents must be spilled in order to keep America armed and slap armor plating on everything. If you want to do anything else you're a Godless commie socialist who hates freedom and genocides everyone!
 
2013-01-25 08:13:52 AM
Psychotic gun owners are job creators.
 
2013-01-25 08:28:11 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Psychotic gun owners are job creators.


It looks like you ran out of talking points. Thinking obviously isn't your strong suit, so you should ask your gun grabbing ring leaders to think of more for you.
 
2013-01-25 09:30:27 AM

spacelord321: Fool_Marquis: spacelord321: vpb: What's asinine?  If we aren't going to do anything to prevent shootings, then teachers might as well try to survive them as best they can.

We are doing something. We are petitioning for teacher concealed carry. Just because it's not your solution doesn't mean it isn't one.

These can be in the classroom as well. Perhaps it can be a students desktop that detaches as a shield. However, without an armed teacher, this is merely a delaying tactic, and not a very good one at that. Maybe she can hold off the shooter till the janitor arrives.

You know what would have worked in the recent tragedy?
Locks on the classroom doors. There weren't any, so the shooter could walk right in.
Also, if they had wire glass in the front door instead of standard, he couldn't have shot out the front window to reach in and unlock the door.

No arguments here. Those could possibly have saved lives.

However, I personally don't like creating a lockdown / prison-esque environment for the children. This is why I would rather see concealed carry for school faculty. In PA the response seems to be more cops in schools. It's still better than trying to ban guns in an attempt to keep them from the wrong hands, but I feel that it just adds to an already oppressive atmosphere for the kids.


And if all the teachers are packing, how long until some overworked teacher snaps when a student pushes them just a bit too far and unloads into a class full of kids?
 
2013-01-25 10:05:17 AM

Pert: This would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.

The US seems to be looking at bandaid solutions to patch up the symptoms, not the causes of the problems.

Measures like this one (or arming staff, or fortifying schools) should shame the entire country. The US is looking more and more like a lawless, third world hell hole than the fine country I know it to be.

Can anyone find me another first world developed country that feels it has to put these measures in place to stop mass shootings?

Seems to me like every single section of your society has to compromise except the gun owners.


Are you going to offer ideas, or just whine about everyone elses?

The pro gun crowd has given up a lot of ground over the past couple decades. You want more? Keep working through legislation, and we'll continue to fight it through legislation. Our solutions are no less valid than yours, from our point of view, so we must learn to sway each other with facts and reason. The ideas / morals of this country, and the mechanisms for altering them, are bigger then any one of us. We must respect those mechanisms of state, even if they shield our political opponents, because they are also our fellow citizens.

This a knee-jerk solution to knee-jerk reactions. WTF are you doing so special? Have you at least written you congressman?
 
2013-01-25 10:09:41 AM

Calipataa: spacelord321: Fool_Marquis: spacelord321: vpb: What's asinine?  If we aren't going to do anything to prevent shootings, then teachers might as well try to survive them as best they can.

We are doing something. We are petitioning for teacher concealed carry. Just because it's not your solution doesn't mean it isn't one.

These can be in the classroom as well. Perhaps it can be a students desktop that detaches as a shield. However, without an armed teacher, this is merely a delaying tactic, and not a very good one at that. Maybe she can hold off the shooter till the janitor arrives.

You know what would have worked in the recent tragedy?
Locks on the classroom doors. There weren't any, so the shooter could walk right in.
Also, if they had wire glass in the front door instead of standard, he couldn't have shot out the front window to reach in and unlock the door.

No arguments here. Those could possibly have saved lives.

However, I personally don't like creating a lockdown / prison-esque environment for the children. This is why I would rather see concealed carry for school faculty. In PA the response seems to be more cops in schools. It's still better than trying to ban guns in an attempt to keep them from the wrong hands, but I feel that it just adds to an already oppressive atmosphere for the kids.

And if all the teachers are packing, how long until some overworked teacher snaps when a student pushes them just a bit too far and unloads into a class full of kids?


Probably about as long as it has taken for a teacher to massacre kids with his/her gun from home.
 
2013-01-25 10:18:40 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah: "Oh, you have that new detachable whiteboard shield. Look at you, shielding your head and chest like a pro. Too bad the rest of you is wide open." *BLAM* *BLAM*

Clemkadidlefark: How is this asinine, Subby?

Oh, I know ... you're a Democrat. Democrats are the Party of Death™ and this is your personal mantra, isn't it. Go ahead. Confess it.

"I that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her panty hose, is morally superior to a woman explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound."

Now THAT is some insane ranting right there. Yeah, instead of tackling the root fundamental reasons for violence, let's just accept that the blood of children and innocents must be spilled in order to keep America armed and slap armor plating on everything. If you want to do anything else you're a Godless commie socialist who hates freedom and genocides everyone!


Come on man, try not to argue from a place of emotion, because that's all it becomes: argueing.

What do you believe "the root fundamental reasons for violence" are?

For what it's worth, I consider myself a "commie socialist". I just believe criminals will aquire firearms no matter what, and it takes a gun to fight a gun.
 
2013-01-25 11:05:00 AM

spacelord321: What do you believe "the root fundamental reasons for violence" are?


Don't hold your breath for an answer. He wants to say the root cause is guns, but he can't because it's demonstrably false, but he won't say the root cause is anything else, because then he'd be admitting that his gun control fixation is pointless.

We have thousands of years of proof that laws, and disarmament do not prevent violence. The best we can do is allow our fellow man to be ready when he's targeted.
 
2013-01-25 11:25:42 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: spacelord321: What do you believe "the root fundamental reasons for violence" are?

Don't hold your breath for an answer. He wants to say the root cause is guns, but he can't because it's demonstrably false, but he won't say the root cause is anything else, because then he'd be admitting that his gun control fixation is pointless.

We have thousands of years of proof that laws, and disarmament do not prevent violence. The best we can do is allow our fellow man to be ready when he's targeted.


I know. I hold out hope, however.
 
2013-01-25 02:34:17 PM

spacelord321: BraveNewCheneyWorld: spacelord321: What do you believe "the root fundamental reasons for violence" are?

Don't hold your breath for an answer. He wants to say the root cause is guns, but he can't because it's demonstrably false, but he won't say the root cause is anything else, because then he'd be admitting that his gun control fixation is pointless.

We have thousands of years of proof that laws, and disarmament do not prevent violence. The best we can do is allow our fellow man to be ready when he's targeted.

I know. I hold out hope, however.


So you've already forgotten about the list I posted in the other thread? I thought we were cool.

And to you, BraveNewCheneyWorld, your psychic mind-reading powers are not working, because I do not want to say that and never have. I've spent plenty of time telling you this and offered a list of possible solutions that did not "blame" guns. The least you could do is try to discuss things in an intelligent and civil manner..
 
2013-01-25 03:57:11 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: spacelord321: BraveNewCheneyWorld: spacelord321: What do you believe "the root fundamental reasons for violence" are?

Don't hold your breath for an answer. He wants to say the root cause is guns, but he can't because it's demonstrably false, but he won't say the root cause is anything else, because then he'd be admitting that his gun control fixation is pointless.

We have thousands of years of proof that laws, and disarmament do not prevent violence. The best we can do is allow our fellow man to be ready when he's targeted.

I know. I hold out hope, however.

So you've already forgotten about the list I posted in the other thread? I thought we were cool.

And to you, BraveNewCheneyWorld, your psychic mind-reading powers are not working, because I do not want to say that and never have. I've spent plenty of time telling you this and offered a list of possible solutions that did not "blame" guns. The least you could do is try to discuss things in an intelligent and civil manner..


Oh, I like you. I believe you truly want compromise. Your "blood of the innocents and children" part was over the top, however, and equivalent to the "commie socialist" response that you have come to expect. I don't remember you list, to be honest. Their are a couple antis that I feel do present themselves well and I can tend to confuse who brought up what. There are a ton of trolls, and it's hard to wade through the crap.

My response to Cheney was about the apparent hoplesness of the gun debate in general. I've seen concede a point or two, and as I said, hold out hope.
 
2013-01-25 04:12:58 PM

spacelord321: Keizer_Ghidorah: spacelord321: BraveNewCheneyWorld: spacelord321: What do you believe "the root fundamental reasons for violence" are?

Don't hold your breath for an answer. He wants to say the root cause is guns, but he can't because it's demonstrably false, but he won't say the root cause is anything else, because then he'd be admitting that his gun control fixation is pointless.

We have thousands of years of proof that laws, and disarmament do not prevent violence. The best we can do is allow our fellow man to be ready when he's targeted.

I know. I hold out hope, however.

So you've already forgotten about the list I posted in the other thread? I thought we were cool.

And to you, BraveNewCheneyWorld, your psychic mind-reading powers are not working, because I do not want to say that and never have. I've spent plenty of time telling you this and offered a list of possible solutions that did not "blame" guns. The least you could do is try to discuss things in an intelligent and civil manner..

Oh, I like you. I believe you truly want compromise. Your "blood of the innocents and children" part was over the top, however, and equivalent to the "commie socialist" response that you have come to expect. I don't remember you list, to be honest. Their are a couple antis that I feel do present themselves well and I can tend to confuse who brought up what. There are a ton of trolls, and it's hard to wade through the crap.

My response to Cheney was about the apparent hoplesness of the gun debate in general. I've seen concede a point or two, and as I said, hold out hope.


Sometimes it seems that's the real motive, since I've yet to see a lot of ideas or options from the pro-gun side (on Fark at least) that isn't "Arm everyone and their mother" or "Doing anything at all violates my rights". Yes, I've seen the "Ban them all" people on the anti-gun side, but they're fewer in number, and the people who want something done without infringing rights get attacked with just as much ferocity and broad-stroking by the pro-gun side (as BraveNewCheneyWorld so helpfully demonstrates. No matter how much I tell him I'm on his side, don't want a ban, offer my solutions, be civil with him, and ask him to stop deflecting with "More people die in car accidents, why aren't we doing anything about that?!", every single response he makes to me is filled with "YOUR SIDE! YOU PEOPLE!", personal attacks, repeating himself, and generally being a temperamental little kid).

Honestly, I'm on both sides here. I don't think banning will work, but I also don't think arming everyone and armor-plating everything is the answer either.
 
2013-01-25 04:14:08 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: spacelord321: BraveNewCheneyWorld: spacelord321: What do you believe "the root fundamental reasons for violence" are?

Don't hold your breath for an answer. He wants to say the root cause is guns, but he can't because it's demonstrably false, but he won't say the root cause is anything else, because then he'd be admitting that his gun control fixation is pointless.

We have thousands of years of proof that laws, and disarmament do not prevent violence. The best we can do is allow our fellow man to be ready when he's targeted.

I know. I hold out hope, however.

So you've already forgotten about the list I posted in the other thread? I thought we were cool.

And to you, BraveNewCheneyWorld, your psychic mind-reading powers are not working, because I do not want to say that and never have. I've spent plenty of time telling you this and offered a list of possible solutions that did not "blame" guns. The least you could do is try to discuss things in an intelligent and civil manner..


Actually, I do remember the list as being mostly reasonable. For some reason I remember you being fairly hostile to the 2nd amendment, I could have been thinking of someone else.
 
2013-01-25 04:34:14 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Keizer_Ghidorah: spacelord321: BraveNewCheneyWorld: spacelord321: What do you believe "the root fundamental reasons for violence" are?

Don't hold your breath for an answer. He wants to say the root cause is guns, but he can't because it's demonstrably false, but he won't say the root cause is anything else, because then he'd be admitting that his gun control fixation is pointless.

We have thousands of years of proof that laws, and disarmament do not prevent violence. The best we can do is allow our fellow man to be ready when he's targeted.

I know. I hold out hope, however.

So you've already forgotten about the list I posted in the other thread? I thought we were cool.

And to you, BraveNewCheneyWorld, your psychic mind-reading powers are not working, because I do not want to say that and never have. I've spent plenty of time telling you this and offered a list of possible solutions that did not "blame" guns. The least you could do is try to discuss things in an intelligent and civil manner..

Actually, I do remember the list as being mostly reasonable. For some reason I remember you being fairly hostile to the 2nd amendment, I could have been thinking of someone else.


I was never hostile to the 2nd Amendment.
 
2013-01-25 04:35:31 PM

spacelord321: Pert: This would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.

The US seems to be looking at bandaid solutions to patch up the symptoms, not the causes of the problems.

Measures like this one (or arming staff, or fortifying schools) should shame the entire country. The US is looking more and more like a lawless, third world hell hole than the fine country I know it to be.

Can anyone find me another first world developed country that feels it has to put these measures in place to stop mass shootings?

Seems to me like every single section of your society has to compromise except the gun owners.

Are you going to offer ideas, or just whine about everyone elses?

The pro gun crowd has given up a lot of ground over the past couple decades. You want more? Keep working through legislation, and we'll continue to fight it through legislation. Our solutions are no less valid than yours, from our point of view, so we must learn to sway each other with facts and reason. The ideas / morals of this country, and the mechanisms for altering them, are bigger then any one of us. We must respect those mechanisms of state, even if they shield our political opponents, because they are also our fellow citizens.

This a knee-jerk solution to knee-jerk reactions. WTF are you doing so special? Have you at least written you congressman?


Don't have one. Am British.
 
2013-01-25 09:00:25 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: spacelord321: Keizer_Ghidorah: spacelord321: BraveNewCheneyWorld: spacelord321: What do you believe "the root fundamental reasons for violence" are?

Don't hold your breath for an answer. He wants to say the root cause is guns, but he can't because it's demonstrably false, but he won't say the root cause is anything else, because then he'd be admitting that his gun control fixation is pointless.

We have thousands of years of proof that laws, and disarmament do not prevent violence. The best we can do is allow our fellow man to be ready when he's targeted.

I know. I hold out hope, however.

So you've already forgotten about the list I posted in the other thread? I thought we were cool.

And to you, BraveNewCheneyWorld, your psychic mind-reading powers are not working, because I do not want to say that and never have. I've spent plenty of time telling you this and offered a list of possible solutions that did not "blame" guns. The least you could do is try to discuss things in an intelligent and civil manner..

Oh, I like you. I believe you truly want compromise. Your "blood of the innocents and children" part was over the top, however, and equivalent to the "commie socialist" response that you have come to expect. I don't remember you list, to be honest. Their are a couple antis that I feel do present themselves well and I can tend to confuse who brought up what. There are a ton of trolls, and it's hard to wade through the crap.

My response to Cheney was about the apparent hoplesness of the gun debate in general. I've seen concede a point or two, and as I said, hold out hope.

Sometimes it seems that's the real motive, since I've yet to see a lot of ideas or options from the pro-gun side (on Fark at least) that isn't "Arm everyone and their mother" or "Doing anything at all violates my rights". Yes, I've seen the "Ban them all" people on the anti-gun side, but they're fewer in number, and the people who want something done without infringing rights get attacked ...


Ok. Armor plating, max security schools, I am not for. Banning I am not for. CCW faculty is the only reasonable way I can see to confront the immediate problem. These attacks are just too random to believe that any kind of stop measures will be enough without a rapid, on site response with equal or greater force.

As many have said, legislation will only force the shooter to create a plan that works around legal restrictions, not deter the attack. The only legislation I support is all firearm sales must go through a FFL holder. Still, I believe this will do nothing for our societal problem of mass shootings.

Now to really adress the problem requires us to step back and actually look at the situation we have in this country. Minimum wage must be raised. This will ruin small business owners. Capital gains must be taxed to the point where it is no longer viable to do anything but reinvest into an actual production based economy. This will cripple our positions internationally, as we are the go to place for the worlds money, and our standing in other countries relies largely on this. I could go on but I think you see where I am going with this. Economics.

As for mental health, ignoring the ill effects of growing wealth disparity and lowered standards of living, that may be even more complicated. We have to ask ouselves who we are as a culture? Our so driven to suceed that we must live in near serfdom and use drugs to repeat the process everyday, whether prescription or otherwise? Or is it even a choice? Or does our nations collective addiction simply hedonism? Do these disgrunteled kids have anything to do with the breakdown of the family unit as more and more adults of working age are forced into the working world? Our ideas of success and competition so farked up that we are not respecting the faults and failures of the ones we love?

Could it be that America was never the utopia we have thought it was and instead was just resting on its laurals after the largest economic expansion in world history? An expansion that itself was an unsustainable bubble created by the western empires' colonial wealth redistribution of the past two centuries?

The point of all that rambling is to shine a light on the fact that America, and indeed the world, is in an extreme state of flux right now, and any number of things can make someone "snap". No method of prediction can stop it, and guns are too prolifent here to believe that you can remove them completely from our society. It would take years to even try.

So, once again in closing, the only way to stop these shootings in the immediate future is a gun. Right then. Right there.
 
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