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2013-01-25 12:40:19 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: Smackledorfer: The rest increase the cost of your diet, period.

Not if you replace an unhealthy food with a serving of vegetables of similar cost. I know young guys at work who drink mountain dew all day, (then constantly complain about being tired, grumpy and out of energy in the afternoon, imagine that). Just replace that 2 dollars worth of processed HFCS (or that 6$ pack of smokes, or that bag of cheetos) with 2 dollars in vegetables. No one is saying you have to go to whole foods and spend $20 a day on veggies. That is a strawman is the silliest order. And yes, my very filling vegetarian meals (not vegan, 'cause I like cheddar cheese) cost about 1/4 of a big mac.  Facts are facts.


You accuse me of a straw man by using an example that I never said? Wow.

I forgot why I had you marked as "dishonest". Now I see.
 
2013-01-25 12:42:01 AM

Smackledorfer: I forgot why I had you marked as "dishonest". Now I see.


Because you get frustrated when confronted by a truth you don't like.
 
2013-01-25 12:44:30 AM
rubars.com
 
2013-01-25 01:11:34 AM
Lol, anyway, for those with common sense - Don't listen to people who will passionately try to convince you that you shouldn't eat healthier. (And some people will.) No one is saying you have to spend hundreds on "in season" veggies. That is an easily recognizable strawman. Just add a 30 cent banana or 30 cents of sweet baby carrots to your daily routine - maybe in place of one soda or snack, for example. They are sweet and satisfying, filling, and cheaper than a candy bar or bag of cheetos in the afternoon. And it is surprising how quickly you begin to enjoy not feeling like crap most of the day. Maybe after a while you decide to add another whole 30 cents(!!!) of fruits and veggies to your daily diet....
 
2013-01-25 01:40:04 AM

thisispete: I think I might buy some Brussels sprouts this weekend and try to prepare them a different way


Here's my recipe:

Take the Brussels sprouts out of the fridge and let them warm to room temperature. That way, they'll grind up in the garbage disposal easier. Then order a pizza.
 
2013-01-25 03:39:46 AM
As a  Factor V Leiden disorder victim I have mixed feeling about this.  I love stuffing my face with veggies, but there's often long stretches of time when I'm just not allowed.  Not being allowed for six months at a time is enough to cause depression in itself.
 
2013-01-25 08:39:12 AM
Veggies are the superior. Fruit is just sugar and acid, nature's candy. Favor the veggies they keep you full. Broccoli is pretty cheap, .99 to 1.79 a pound.
 
2013-01-25 09:21:10 AM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: alienated: StreetlightInTheGhetto: I was easily eating 7 a day, maybe more, for 5ish months last year. Yay garden. Boo that all the vegetables I buy in the store now taste bland as hell and are costly to boot (fresh anyway) and I don't really enjoy them at all. Trying to make it up by eating lots of fruit but eh.

I really need to find someone to teach me canning next year. I know how to in theory but am terrified of f--king it up and poisoning myself.

/spring can't come fast enough
//gonna plant onion and shallot seeds this weekend
///yippee!
http://groworganic.com/organic-gardening/videos/canning-green-beans  Thats one video of a few and they also sell books .

I have books.  I just want someone in the kitchen with me the first time I attempt it who knows what they're doing so I can see first-hand.  Paranoid that I'll die of botulism from canning tomatoes incorrectly or worse lose a good amount of my harvest (plus the time spent growing and canning it all).  Like, I know I need an "airtight seal", but how can I actually tell it's completely airtight, etc.  Like I said, I know it's paranoia, but still.

http://www.tomatocasual.com/2008/02/22/botulism-real-threat-in-canni ng -tomatoes/

/wish my grandma was still around :(


If you are willing to make a compromise and make salsa to can instead of plain peeled tomatoes, you should be good to go with no worries. That is what I do with my excess garden tomatoes and peppers. The vinegar in the mix provides enough acidity to twart any botulism. That will get you some practical experience with the canning process. Move on to the peeled tomatoes after you've got a few batches under your belt. I'm going to try some canning some peeled tomatoes for the first time this summer.
 
2013-01-25 10:14:47 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: Lol, anyway, for those with common sense - Don't listen to people who will passionately try to convince you that you shouldn't eat healthier. (And some people will.) No one is saying you have to spend hundreds on "in season" veggies. That is an easily recognizable strawman. Just add a 30 cent banana or 30 cents of sweet baby carrots to your daily routine - maybe in place of one soda or snack, for example. They are sweet and satisfying, filling, and cheaper than a candy bar or bag of cheetos in the afternoon. And it is surprising how quickly you begin to enjoy not feeling like crap most of the day. Maybe after a while you decide to add another whole 30 cents(!!!) of fruits and veggies to your daily diet....


In Florida, 30 cents of banana is half a pound! That's a whole lotta smoothies!

/tasty tasty smoothies
 
2013-01-25 10:25:10 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: Smackledorfer: 1. You picked one of the cheapest veggies. Try a fresh non-root veggie.

I picked them because they are crunchy, tasty, convenient bite sized, and non-messy, requiring no utensils.


Smackledorfer: 2. Since people still need x calories a day to sustain them, $/calorie is the comparison one should be using.

Yep because the average American is several lacking in calories. MOAR CALORIES!!! *facepalm*


Those goal posts look heavy. Do you need help moving them?
 
2013-01-25 11:05:37 AM

Too_many_Brians: thisispete: I still have a problem with brassicas. When I was a kid my mother would boil the crap out of them. Cauliflower, cabbage and BBrussels sprouts would smell awful and taste bitter. I think I might buy some Brussels sprouts this weekend and try to prepare them a different way

Roll in a little bit of olive oil and salt then roast at 400 degrees for 20 minutes or until crispy on the outside, rollem around at the 10 minute mark to even out crispies.

Also works well for garbonzo beans. Or most vegetables. Kale makes great chips in about 5-10 minutes.


This. Boiling most vegetables is a pretty surefire way to get a gross end product, unless you're making mashed potatoes. Roasting as described above usually has much better results. Using this same technique (olive oil + salt) is how we make brussel sprouts, broccoli, cauliflower, asparagus, carrots, potatoes, sweet potatoes (1/2" cubes), and probably some others I'm forgetting. Better on the stovetop are the leafy vegetables (spinach and kale, for example, unless as said you're making chips), but those get sauteed with some oil, onion, and spices. OTOH, we never do cabbage so I'm clueless how to do it, but I would lean more towards steaming than boiling, unless the recipe really called for it.
 
2013-01-25 01:22:23 PM

Carousel Beast: Those goal posts look heavy. Do you need help moving them?


When all someone wants to do is kick refuted, poorly constructed strawmen through the goal, I don't think it matters.
 
2013-01-25 01:22:33 PM

pxlboy: I've found that just taking a more balanced approach to one's diet is simple enough. You can be vegan/vegetarian and still be fat. Not eating processed or fast foods, cutting out soda, eating some fruit and veggies, not eating too much, and a little exercise can go a long way.

I've already gone from 215 to about 175 by doing this.


*Nods in agreement*

As an added bonus it stopped being a chore after about the first month for me. I actually crave healthy foods now when I feel like snacking.
 
2013-01-25 01:47:25 PM

ThrobblefootSpectre: Carousel Beast: Those goal posts look heavy. Do you need help moving them?

When all someone wants to do is kick refuted, poorly constructed strawmen through the goal, I don't think it matters.


Pick any level of calories that you think is the right one. Calculate the cost in dollars per calorie of every part of your meal. I guarantee you fresh produce is likely to be near the top (excepting root vegetables as I said).

Do you disagree with that claim?

Link For your reference since you keep using that word and obviously don't know what it means.
 
2013-01-25 02:21:02 PM

Smackledorfer: Pick any level of calories that you think is the right one. Calculate the cost in dollars per calorie of every part of your meal. I guarantee you fresh produce is likely to be near the top (excepting root vegetables as I said).

Do you disagree with that claim?


Beans are not a root vegetable, are extremely cheap (sorry bout that) and make a great healthy low fat, high calorie, very filling meal. I make awesome veggie jalapeno burritos for lunch many days, for ultra cheap. Look, I already eat this way. I already know for as fact I am spending much less money on food than when i ate junk.

My problem with your argument is that you keep insisting on restricting healthy choices to only expensive ones. Your argument goes something like this.

me: car ownership doesn't have to be expensive
you: but you're only picking reasonably priced cars, that's not fair! You should pick a mercedes s-class turbo to do the comparison.
me: No. That's a strawman.
 
2013-01-25 02:31:47 PM

Smackledorfer: For your reference since you keep using that word and obviously don't know what it means.


BTW - Yes, I know what it means, and your argument IS a strawman. When I mention carrots and you reply "but look over here at this other vegetable that is expensive." You are using that other vegetable (that no one mentioned) as a strawman, I didn't mention it, and it had nothing to to with snacking on baby carrots.
 
2013-01-25 02:56:39 PM

ThrobblefootSpectre: Smackledorfer: For your reference since you keep using that word and obviously don't know what it means.

BTW - Yes, I know what it means, and your argument IS a strawman. When I mention carrots and you reply "but look over here at this other vegetable that is expensive." You are using that other vegetable (that no one mentioned) as a strawman, I didn't mention it, and it had nothing to to with snacking on baby carrots.


Ahh, I see the problem. Your entire argument is based solely on cherry-picking bullshiat, therefore any statements that are actually relevant to the discussion at hand appear as strawman. So you aren't wrong, you are just specific to the point of irrelevance. Congrats I guess. My mistake was assuming you thought you had something to contribute to the discussion. It won't happen again.
 
2013-01-25 03:04:50 PM

Smackledorfer: Ahh, I see the problem. Your entire argument is based solely on cherry-picking bullshiat


Right, using the most common vegetables, available everywhere year round is "cherry picking". lol.

Yes, I will be adding a "dishonest and wildly insincere" tag next to your name.
 
2013-01-25 03:10:36 PM

ThrobblefootSpectre: Smackledorfer: Ahh, I see the problem. Your entire argument is based solely on cherry-picking bullshiat

Right, using the most common vegetables, available everywhere year round is "cherry picking". lol.

Yes, I will be adding a "dishonest and wildly insincere" tag next to your name.


Naming only a few out of hundreds and acting like they represent the majority is cherry picking.
 
2013-01-25 10:53:01 PM

semiotix: santadog: May, August, and October I did a juice fast for 30 days each.  Veggie and Fruit juices that I make at home.  I lost 100 pounds by the end of the last fast. ...Before the fast: 261 pounds

You lost 100 pounds and 40% of your weight in six months?

Please tell me I'm missing something here, or miscalculating, or something. A pound every other day is stretching the limits of what's metabolically possible for an extended period of time, and most doctors wouldn't want your weight falling that fast even if you weighed 561 pounds at the start. Funky and lethal things can happen in metabolic free-fall even if you've got fat left to burn and all the right nutrients pumping through your body.


A pound a day. My doctor approves, and my pal who has M.S., her doctor also approves. Go to jointhereboot.com and check out the info there.
 
2013-01-26 12:46:37 AM

santadog: A pound a day.


I see. That makes for some interesting math, if you're the sort of person who thinks that the human body is subject to the laws of thermodynamics.
 
2013-01-26 09:22:58 AM

semiotix: santadog: A pound a day.

I see. That makes for some interesting math, if you're the sort of person who thinks that the human body is subject to the laws of thermodynamics.


I don't even think Holocaust Jews in the camps lost a pound a day.
 
2013-01-26 11:46:46 AM

Benjimin_Dover: I don't even think Holocaust Jews in the camps lost a pound a day.


They lacked the super-healing powers of juicing, the purity of nutrition, and incredible energy availability of avoiding fiber.

santadog: 2. By extracting the juice from the fiber, your digestion takes a bit of a break because the juice is so quickly absorbed.  The energy you usually burn up digesting is then available to do other things.
3. A super punch of nutrients helps heal your body.  Like I said, all my borderline bad levels were all well within normal range after the 2nd Fast. And within 4 months.
4. I don't know if that switch, or "thing" inside me that killed all the bad cravings would have happened unless I brought my nutritional intake down to what I consider to be, a very pure level.

 
2013-01-27 02:39:10 PM
The first photo is from April.  The second is from the end of October.

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2013-01-27 02:55:05 PM
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2013-01-27 03:03:19 PM

semiotix: santadog: A pound a day.

I see. That makes for some interesting math, if you're the sort of person who thinks that the human body is subject to the laws of thermodynamics.


FYI a pound of pure fat is the 6k calories. A pound of weight loss involves both fat and water, and likely some muscle as well. Then above and beyond the water your muscle and fat hold on their own many diets will see water loss from lower sodium. Finally many a fatty will see quite a bit of weight loss at the jump start of the diet as they go from heavy meals to small meals. A good chunk of weight can be carried throughout the bowels.

So it isn't quite a thermodynamic impossibility you make it out to be.

grats to santadog but I still think juicing is rubbish :)

/note, just because it 'worked' doesn't mean it is a good diet plan. All sorts of goofy shiat 'works' but is far from ideal.
 
2013-01-27 04:41:30 PM

Smackledorfer: So it isn't quite a thermodynamic impossibility you make it out to be.


I wouldn't use words like "impossible," and I was going on the 3,500 kcal = 1 pound equivalence, not 6,000. But you're correct that the subtext of my post was a call of bullshiat.

It's extreeeeeeeeemely difficult, though not impossible, to believe (without suspending thermodynamics). You'd have to assume a near-superhuman basal metabolic rate, and if he had that she wouldn't have gotten to 261 pounds no matter what. You'd also have to assume she was not merely active but positively vigorous for the hundred days in which she was eating nothing. Every one of those delicious whole-pineapple-plus-other-fruit smoothies would be a good 45 minutes jogging on the treadmill, on top of several more hours to make the BMR calories plus the exercise calories plus the regular moving-around calories minus the smoothie calories equal 3,500.

For a hundred straight days. (Or, I guess--kind of hard to tell from her posts--three bursts of 30 days, with months in which she didn't lose or gain any weight in between?) Maybe a few days less, as you say, depending on how much of a fecal load she was carrying around on a day to day basis.

There are lots of explanations for her claim, many of which do not involve her telling outright lies, but none of which are both plausible and involve her actually losing a pound a day for a hundred days.
 
2013-01-27 05:22:04 PM
I can never remember 3k-ish vs. 6. It is liike I've been wrong so often my brain can't learn this fact :).

I hear ya though.
 
2013-01-27 11:05:11 PM

semiotix: Smackledorfer: So it isn't quite a thermodynamic impossibility you make it out to be.

I wouldn't use words like "impossible," and I was going on the 3,500 kcal = 1 pound equivalence, not 6,000. But you're correct that the subtext of my post was a call of bullshiat.

It's extreeeeeeeeemely difficult, though not impossible, to believe (without suspending thermodynamics). You'd have to assume a near-superhuman basal metabolic rate, and if he had that she wouldn't have gotten to 261 pounds no matter what. You'd also have to assume she was not merely active but positively vigorous for the hundred days in which she was eating nothing. Every one of those delicious whole-pineapple-plus-other-fruit smoothies would be a good 45 minutes jogging on the treadmill, on top of several more hours to make the BMR calories plus the exercise calories plus the regular moving-around calories minus the smoothie calories equal 3,500.

For a hundred straight days. (Or, I guess--kind of hard to tell from her posts--three bursts of 30 days, with months in which she didn't lose or gain any weight in between?) Maybe a few days less, as you say, depending on how much of a fecal load she was carrying around on a day to day basis.

There are lots of explanations for her claim, many of which do not involve her telling outright lies, but none of which are both plausible and involve her actually losing a pound a day for a hundred days.


Lies.  Yeah, how about fark you.
You sound like you have a small penis.
Seriously.
 
2013-01-27 11:10:47 PM

santadog: Lies.  Yeah, how about fark you.
You sound like you have a small penis.
Seriously.


How you doin'?
 
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