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2013-01-24 09:53:49 PM
Cymbal:

Name one instance of deus ex machina from the books not involving Tom Bombadil. You can't because that's the only one. The movies on the other hand had plenty of DEM because they couldn't take the time to flesh out minor characters and other background.

Gollum biting Frodo's finger and then falling into the pit of Mount Doom. "He will play a role in events"  Tolkien acknowledge that Frodo had failed but Sam didn't.

Gandalf, who technically is an angel, pushing and prodding events to the right conclusion.
 
2013-01-24 09:58:12 PM

Mugato: Darth_Lukecash: Are we talking about the movie added or what was in the plot originally? Since Tolkien was trying to copy the epic poems stories, he also copied the elements of them, including dues ex mahina.

I never read the books, I'm talking about the movies. "Hey, we're in a big battle and we're all going to die. Wait, here comes some elves around the hill to save the day! Here's another battle and we're all going to die but wait, there's some ghost army that  Aragorn forgot he had up his ass. The Hobbits are dying in the volcano but wait, here are some eagles that could have done something all along to save them....and so on.


The eleves showing up to save their ass wasn't part of the book. That was added by Jackson.

The Ghost army was in the book, but if I recall correctly, Aragorn talked about it long before that event happened.

The Eagles were part of the book, but because Gandalf had summoned them.  And they were used before in the Hobbit and LOTR.
 
2013-01-24 10:10:16 PM

Darth_Lukecash: Cymbal:

Name one instance of deus ex machina from the books not involving Tom Bombadil. You can't because that's the only one. The movies on the other hand had plenty of DEM because they couldn't take the time to flesh out minor characters and other background.

Gollum biting Frodo's finger and then falling into the pit of Mount Doom. "He will play a role in events"  Tolkien acknowledge that Frodo had failed but Sam didn't.

Gandalf, who technically is an angel, pushing and prodding events to the right conclusion.


The Gollum one yeah. But the Gandalf one I disagree. In the books a lot more explanation went into Gandalf's powers. It is a fantasy book after all, where magic does exist.
 
2013-01-24 10:12:31 PM

Champion of the Sun: You guys contractually required to circle jerk in every Star Wars thread ever or something?


Not trolling. I enjoyed the hell out of the prequels.

They aren't great cinema by any means, but they are great Star Wars movies.  Other films I consider far greater than Star Wars series.
Hell, the originals weren't that "great" film wise, but my 9 year old heart loves em to death.
 
2013-01-24 10:13:24 PM
I hope he writes it as they're filming it like with Lost...

Polar Bear!

Foreshadowing

The others!

Foreshadowing......fark it how am I going to explain all this in the finale?

It was all a dream, JR's alive!
 
2013-01-24 10:16:52 PM

blue_2501: Look. THIS SHOW had f**king lens flare:

[nerdsoftheroundtable.files.wordpress.com image 800x450]

They practically invented lens flare. They had lens flare on their title sequence. If it was in space and a star was involved, then it's going to have lens flare.

Was it still an awesome series? Yes.


The issue is not lens flare, really

/lens flare in the excellent, and when not overused, is acceptable
//lens flare in the mediocre, and used to disguise shoddy direction, maybe not so much
///boy, am I gonna get flamed
 
2013-01-24 10:23:03 PM
I can tolerate lens flare, but the way he builds suspense and misses a lot reminds me of M Knight Shamalaladingdong.
 
2013-01-24 10:25:07 PM

Darth_Lukecash: Mugato: Darth_Lukecash: Are we talking about the movie added or what was in the plot originally? Since Tolkien was trying to copy the epic poems stories, he also copied the elements of them, including dues ex mahina.

I never read the books, I'm talking about the movies. "Hey, we're in a big battle and we're all going to die. Wait, here comes some elves around the hill to save the day! Here's another battle and we're all going to die but wait, there's some ghost army that  Aragorn forgot he had up his ass. The Hobbits are dying in the volcano but wait, here are some eagles that could have done something all along to save them....and so on.

The eleves showing up to save their ass wasn't part of the book. That was added by Jackson.

The Ghost army was in the book, but if I recall correctly, Aragorn talked about it long before that event happened.

The Eagles were part of the book, but because Gandalf had summoned them.  And they were used before in the Hobbit and LOTR.


I believe the standard answer to the oft-asked question: "why didn't Gandalf & Friends just fly the ring to Mount Doom right off the bat?" is because the Nazgul would have eaten them alive. Frodo and Sam had to go in all stealthy-like; they couldn't parade in on the backs of giant eagles.

Yes, I've spent time- precious hours of my life that I can never get back again- researching this difficulty.
 
2013-01-24 10:30:17 PM

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: Darth_Lukecash: Mugato: Darth_Lukecash: Are we talking about the movie added or what was in the plot originally? Since Tolkien was trying to copy the epic poems stories, he also copied the elements of them, including dues ex mahina.

I never read the books, I'm talking about the movies. "Hey, we're in a big battle and we're all going to die. Wait, here comes some elves around the hill to save the day! Here's another battle and we're all going to die but wait, there's some ghost army that  Aragorn forgot he had up his ass. The Hobbits are dying in the volcano but wait, here are some eagles that could have done something all along to save them....and so on.

The eleves showing up to save their ass wasn't part of the book. That was added by Jackson.

The Ghost army was in the book, but if I recall correctly, Aragorn talked about it long before that event happened.

The Eagles were part of the book, but because Gandalf had summoned them.  And they were used before in the Hobbit and LOTR.

I believe the standard answer to the oft-asked question: "why didn't Gandalf & Friends just fly the ring to Mount Doom right off the bat?" is because the Nazgul would have eaten them alive. Frodo and Sam had to go in all stealthy-like; they couldn't parade in on the backs of giant eagles.

Yes, I've spent time- precious hours of my life that I can never get back again- researching this difficulty.


GO OUTSIDE
 
2013-01-24 10:49:16 PM
FTFA: "Look, Star Wars is one of my favorite movies of all time. I frankly feel that - I almost feel that, in a weird way, the opportunity for whomever it is to direct that movie, it comes with the burden of being that kind of iconic movie and series. I was never a big Star Trek fan growing up, so for me, working on Star Trek didn't have any of that, you know, almost fatal sacrilege, and so, I am looking forward more then anyone to the next iterations of Star Wars, but I believe I will be going as a paying moviegoer!"

What an asshole. Seriously. So he's saying he's going to show respect for the established Star Wars legend, as opposed to the way he treated Star Trek. I guess this means he won't be trying to pass off a brewery as the interior of a destroyer or a death star. Wonderful.

My guess is that Disney picked Abrams for this gig because he directed the Star Trek movie. They probably thought, "Gee, he did a successful space movie, and Star Wars is about space, so... how can we go wrong?"
 
2013-01-24 10:54:19 PM

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: I believe the standard answer to the oft-asked question: "why didn't Gandalf & Friends just fly the ring to Mount Doom right off the bat?" is because the Nazgul would have eaten them alive. Frodo and Sam had to go in all stealthy-like; they couldn't parade in on the backs of giant eagles.


Yeah, there's no way those dragon things could have circled around Mount Doom and spotted two assholes scrambling around heading toward that volcano. Look, I don't give a shiat, I just find people who find LOTR somehow more intellectual than Star Wars a bit obnoxious.
 
2013-01-24 10:58:40 PM

scotchcrotch: GO OUTSIDE


I just laughed my ass off! I tell my 11 year old and his buddies the same thing ABOUT the same thing!!!
 
2013-01-24 10:59:15 PM
Fark should change it's name to biatch after this thread.
 
2013-01-24 11:07:37 PM

Mugato: Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: I believe the standard answer to the oft-asked question: "why didn't Gandalf & Friends just fly the ring to Mount Doom right off the bat?" is because the Nazgul would have eaten them alive. Frodo and Sam had to go in all stealthy-like; they couldn't parade in on the backs of giant eagles.

Yeah, there's no way those dragon things could have circled around Mount Doom and spotted two assholes scrambling around heading toward that volcano. Look, I don't give a shiat, I just find people who find LOTR somehow more intellectual than Star Wars a bit obnoxious.

it's the same thing: Tolkien was a fan of fairy tales and epic poems mythology. Lucas loved Science-fiction serials. Both wrote what they loved to see.
 
2013-01-24 11:10:39 PM

Mugato: Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: I believe the standard answer to the oft-asked question: "why didn't Gandalf & Friends just fly the ring to Mount Doom right off the bat?" is because the Nazgul would have eaten them alive. Frodo and Sam had to go in all stealthy-like; they couldn't parade in on the backs of giant eagles.

Yeah, there's no way those dragon things could have circled around Mount Doom and spotted two assholes scrambling around heading toward that volcano. Look, I don't give a shiat, I just find people who find LOTR somehow more intellectual than Star Wars a bit obnoxious.


Philistine.
 
2013-01-24 11:12:11 PM

scottydoesntknow: Abrams did great with the 2009 Star Trek (suck it trekkies), and he'll do fine with this.


GREAT? really? You think that was a "great" movie? Come on.

It was a totally passable, but mostly bland and instantly forgettable movie. Abrams is not a great director. he is a passable director.

On the plus side, the script writer to this IS good, and much better than the Star Trek writers (who'd previously written shiat like transformers) so my guess is that it will work out to be a totally decent, though not great, film.

Wish the studios would take a risk and hire a genuinely original and talented director, but I understand when you pay that much money for a franchise you want to play it as safe as possible. Abrams is a bland but safe choice.
 
2013-01-24 11:19:25 PM

Darth_Lukecash: The Ghost army was in the book, but if I recall correctly, Aragorn talked about it long before that event happened.

The Eagles were part of the book, but because Gandalf had summoned them.  And they were used before in the Hobbit and LOTR.


lol, dude, things can still function as deus ex machinas even if there is some passing mention of them at a point in the book.
 
2013-01-24 11:22:04 PM
NM i mixed up who was saying what in that convo, Darth_Lukecash
 
2013-01-24 11:36:27 PM
dl.dropbox.com
 
2013-01-24 11:36:40 PM
How is JJ Abrams going to work time travel into star wars storyline?

All of his stuff has time travel in it.
 
2013-01-24 11:43:00 PM

Mazzic518: Osomatic: Bathia_Mapes: While I know he didn't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting the gig, I dearly would have loved seeing Kevin Smith as the director.

Yeah, but then it just would have been a bunch of Stormtroopers sitting around talking.  (I kid because I love.)

  We could have seen the funerals for all the contractors from the second Death Star :)


If you think that's offensive, check this out:

i1282.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-24 11:43:54 PM

MayoSlather: I like JJ, but I don't like the fact he is now at the helm of both of the biggest sci fi space franchises


I couldn't agree with this more. Wars and Trek are perhaps best known for the vastly different ways that they approach the genre, and have become short hand for breaking works into ones that deal more with the human existential element and ones that focus on the aesthetics and sweeping events.

What do you think of when you hear Star Wars? Lightsabers, cantinas, exploding space stations.
What do you think of when you hear Star Trek? Patrick Stewart having a soliloquy about the nature of honor, or Spock's alien logic clashing with Kirk's fiery humanity.

Both series are very good, but they are just about as far apart stylistically as sci-fi can be. Hiring the same guy to direct both is a bit worrying.
 
2013-01-24 11:43:56 PM
Maybe he'll cast Jennifer Garner in some role that involves a great deal of ass kicking.
 
2013-01-25 12:01:07 AM

Mike Chewbacca: Shadowtag: NegativeChirality: I hate hate hate hate JJ Abrams.

Star Trek was a farking shiat movie. Yes, it had the characters right, but literally every major plot event occurred with the help of some kind of deus ex machina.

No one cares about your opinion. No one. On the planet. At all.

It was a crappy Star Trek movie. Lots of plot holes and bad science and stuff that just didn't make any sense. It was fun, but Star Trek is supposed to be more cerebral than that. Star Wars, on the other hand...


The part where Spock tells Scotty the formula for "trans-warp beaming" makes me wanna strangle Abrams, since the correct term is "trans-warp transporting."  Other than a bit of overkill on the LENZ FLAIR it was good.  It got my wife to watch and enjoy, and she's not a sci-fi fan.
 
2013-01-25 12:10:44 AM

cgraves67: Ambiguous sources = bullshiat.


I thought so, too, but they had this story on the ABC Evening News earlier tonight. They're usually pretty good about fact checking.
 
2013-01-25 12:11:10 AM

vwarb: MayoSlather: I like JJ, but I don't like the fact he is now at the helm of both of the biggest sci fi space franchises

I couldn't agree with this more. Wars and Trek are perhaps best known for the vastly different ways that they approach the genre, and have become short hand for breaking works into ones that deal more with the human existential element and ones that focus on the aesthetics and sweeping events.

What do you think of when you hear Star Wars? Lightsabers, cantinas, exploding space stations.
What do you think of when you hear Star Trek? Patrick Stewart having a soliloquy about the nature of honor, or Spock's alien logic clashing with Kirk's fiery humanity.

Both series are very good, but they are just about as far apart stylistically as sci-fi can be. Hiring the same guy to direct both is a bit worrying.


Ah, but they've both been made into generic crap, so Abrams is the perfect hack to direct both.
 
2013-01-25 12:23:10 AM
Wonder if Abrams will stick a Star Trek Easter egg in the new Star Wars movie.

img.trekmovie.com

And is anyone else thinking about crossover potential now?
 
2013-01-25 12:24:52 AM
JJ is going to give Star Wars the ending it deserved. Like a big hug party in heaven. We need closure people.
 
2013-01-25 12:28:50 AM

Haliburton Cummings: hmmm no quoted source, no Lucasfilm or Disney source and no official press release anywhere of any kind....

debunked in 10 9 8 7........


That's referred to as a scoop, in news parlance, Generally, the official sources won't confirm anything on the record until they're given the nod from their corporate overlords.
 
2013-01-25 12:34:50 AM
Just put Cumberbatch in the movie
 
2013-01-25 12:52:03 AM
I haven't heard of a better choice put forth than this guy in any of the comments...he can be guaranteed of doing the series some sort of justice
 
2013-01-25 01:04:03 AM

Fark Me To Tears: FTFA: "Look, Star Wars is one of my favorite movies of all time. I frankly feel that - I almost feel that, in a weird way, the opportunity for whomever it is to direct that movie, it comes with the burden of being that kind of iconic movie and series. I was never a big Star Trek fan growing up, so for me, working on Star Trek didn't have any of that, you know, almost fatal sacrilege, and so, I am looking forward more then anyone to the next iterations of Star Wars, but I believe I will be going as a paying moviegoer!"

What an asshole. Seriously. So he's saying he's going to show respect for the established Star Wars legend, as opposed to the way he treated Star Trek. I guess this means he won't be trying to pass off a brewery as the interior of a destroyer or a death star. Wonderful.

My guess is that Disney picked Abrams for this gig because he directed the Star Trek movie. They probably thought, "Gee, he did a successful space movie, and Star Wars is about space, so... how can we go wrong?"


Did you like Superman Returns? Because Bryan Singer, who directed it, absolutely revered Superman and the Richard Donner movies. He was a total fan, and it showed. It also made the movie really, really mediocre at best.

Sometimes having a fanboy in charge isn't the best idea. I don't care whether or not the director had Star Trek or Star Wars bedsheets growing up. I care if he/she knows how to tell the story. I'm a huge trekkie and I loved the new Star Trek. Abrams knows how to tell a great story in a sci-fi setting, and just because he didn't revere the material before the project doesn't mean he doesn't know how to do it justice. If he's the one tapped to direct the new Star Wars, and if the people writing it know what they are doing, then it's going to be a great movie.

But just to be on the safe side, let the people who directed the opening movie from the Bioware Star Wars MMO be involved.
 
2013-01-25 01:24:26 AM

Already Disturbed: moothemagiccow: fark, this means Damon Lindelof is directing Star Trek 3

That means we'll get a 4th, because the man doesn't know how to write a proper


iseewhatyoudidthere.jpg
 
2013-01-25 01:28:05 AM
cdnl.complex.com

Will this show up and eat a Rancor?
 
2013-01-25 01:33:01 AM
I think it's a bad idea to have the same director doing Star Trek movies and Star Wars movies.

There's enough homogeneity out there.
 
2013-01-25 01:48:10 AM
The prequels were bad movies.

Can't believe I'm the Weeners that in this thread.
/Fark, I am disappoint
 
2013-01-25 01:49:21 AM
http://redlettermedia.com/plinkett/star-wars/star-wars-episode-1-the-p hantom-menace/

HTML fail :-(
 
2013-01-25 02:05:00 AM

bluorangefyre: Mike Chewbacca: Shadowtag: NegativeChirality: I hate hate hate hate JJ Abrams.

Star Trek was a farking shiat movie. Yes, it had the characters right, but literally every major plot event occurred with the help of some kind of deus ex machina.

No one cares about your opinion. No one. On the planet. At all.

It was a crappy Star Trek movie. Lots of plot holes and bad science and stuff that just didn't make any sense. It was fun, but Star Trek is supposed to be more cerebral than that. Star Wars, on the other hand...

The part where Spock tells Scotty the formula for "trans-warp beaming" makes me wanna strangle Abrams, since the correct term is "trans-warp transporting."  Other than a bit of overkill on the LENZ FLAIR it was good.  It got my wife to watch and enjoy, and she's not a sci-fi fan.


No, it was really, really bad. Which means this wi'll still be better than the SW prequels.
 
2013-01-25 02:13:32 AM
I can see it now. JJ directs the new Star Wars. Joss Whdeon takes over the helm of Star Trek XII.

We get a crossover and the universe implodes. Forever.
 
2013-01-25 03:59:59 AM

whippersnapper: http://redlettermedia.com/plinkett/star-wars/star-wars-episode-1-the-p hantom-menace/

HTML fail :-(


Old and tired attempt at comedy fail, also. RLM was funny for about 5 minutes.
 
2013-01-25 04:44:39 AM
pikigeek.com
 
2013-01-25 05:20:48 AM
Very sad that Brad Bird wasn't called, he would have done miracles. But that said, Abrams is an extremely talented film maker, and he will do something great and unexpected I'm sure. He got me to care about a Star Trek film after Nemesis, a feat all by itself.
 
2013-01-25 05:24:31 AM

Darth_Lukecash: Champion of the Sun: You guys contractually required to circle jerk in every Star Wars thread ever or something?

Not trolling. I enjoyed the hell out of the prequels.

They aren't great cinema by any means, but they are great Star Wars movies.  Other films I consider far greater than Star Wars series.
Hell, the originals weren't that "great" film wise, but my 9 year old heart loves em to death.


And that is where you are completely and utterly wrong. You can love those movies on their own merits if you want, but Red Letter Media clearly demonstrated how the prequel movies didn't even seem to understand the meaning behind the original movies, especially when it came to the Force and Yoda. Even if I would grant you that they're not terrible movies (which I don't - they are in fact terrible movies), they are definitely not great Star Wars movies.

Love them if you want, but quit trying to rationalize how they fit in just fine with the first 3 movies, because they simply do not.
 
2013-01-25 06:40:46 AM
What was there that should have been there that I'm not seeing?

And what is it with J.J. Abrams and lensflares anyway?
 
2013-01-25 06:48:31 AM
I guess I could live with Abrams. For one thing Star Wars is a property where he would probably take more of the approach he did with Super 8 where he aped a better director, rather than what he did with Trek which was forcing his ascetic on an established property that he clearly wasn't fond of. The guy's not exactly an auteur.

The bigger worries in the that this signifies Michael Giacchino might take over from John Williams. Giacchino stands above his peers when it comes to composing but only because there isn't much competition. He's scored some lovely scenes - the first 10 minutes of UP, the scene in Star Trek where the Enterprise is introduced - but he's no John Williams. Not even close.

I can sit here and think of E.T., Jaws, Star Wars, Close Encounters, Raiders of the Lost Ark and instantly hum Williams' title score. I can't do the same thing with Giacchino's Star Trek, Ratatouille, or Cloverfield. More often than not the guy writes music that blends into the background rather than support and elevating the film's score.

If they replace Williams with Giacchino there needs to be a clear directive that he write very little original music, something like 90/10. Williams' Star Wars score is as much a part of Star Wars as lightsabers and droids.
 
2013-01-25 07:37:03 AM
He made Star Trek actually enjoyable, I think he'll do a good job
 
2013-01-25 07:51:40 AM
I was hoping for Joss Whedon, since he has worked with Disney before on the Avengers movie...
 
2013-01-25 07:52:40 AM

dajoro: This is not good news. Star Trek was just okay. Slick, pretty, ridiculous (Spock just happens to be on that ice planet?!?), and bland. Everything he does is just okay (although never saw Alias). I don't get the geek adoration. And the pretentious, smug, aren't-I-so-farking-clever secrecy/hints around his projects is just annoying. Remember the buildup to Cloverfield, and then we got Cloverfield? I was hoping for Brad Bird or Joss Whedon, someone with as much soul and heart as brain.


BWHAHAHAHAHAHA
 
2013-01-25 07:56:03 AM

Blathering Idjut: I guess I could live with Abrams. For one thing Star Wars is a property where he would probably take more of the approach he did with Super 8 where he aped a better director, rather than what he did with Trek which was forcing his ascetic on an established property that he clearly wasn't fond of. The guy's not exactly an auteur.

The bigger worries in the that this signifies Michael Giacchino might take over from John Williams. Giacchino stands above his peers when it comes to composing but only because there isn't much competition. He's scored some lovely scenes - the first 10 minutes of UP, the scene in Star Trek where the Enterprise is introduced - but he's no John Williams. Not even close.

I can sit here and think of E.T., Jaws, Star Wars, Close Encounters, Raiders of the Lost Ark and instantly hum Williams' title score. I can't do the same thing with Giacchino's Star Trek, Ratatouille, or Cloverfield. More often than not the guy writes music that blends into the background rather than support and elevating the film's score.

If they replace Williams with Giacchino there needs to be a clear directive that he write very little original music, something like 90/10. Williams' Star Wars score is as much a part of Star Wars as lightsabers and droids.


My fantasy composer is Bear McCreary. The dude really needs a promotion from tv shows. There's probably not a chance in hell though.
 
2013-01-25 08:03:05 AM

Tat'dGreaser: dajoro: This is not good news. Star Trek was just okay. Slick, pretty, ridiculous (Spock just happens to be on that ice planet?!?), and bland. Everything he does is just okay (although never saw Alias). I don't get the geek adoration. And the pretentious, smug, aren't-I-so-farking-clever secrecy/hints around his projects is just annoying. Remember the buildup to Cloverfield, and then we got Cloverfield? I was hoping for Brad Bird or Joss Whedon, someone with as much soul and heart as brain.

BWHAHAHAHAHAHA


I didn't like Firefly. Does that help?
 
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