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(Orlando Sentinel)   You too can own a $2.1 million home in Florida for free. Just live in it for seven years on squatter rights and it's yours   (orlandosentinel.com) divider line 282
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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-01-24 05:14:09 PM
The spirit of the law is to encourage and reward productive use of land which is a benefit to society.

I see the spirit of the law as preventing traps and technicalities, like losing the back yard you thought was yours because somebody 30 years ago put a fence in the wrong place. That is why adverse possession often requires a claim of right or payment of taxes. If you're just trying to legally steal something the law may not care to help you. If you and your neighbors thought the property line was at the fence, then make it so.

Where I live the state is immune from adverse possession. People do lose their yards from time to time. Specific cases I remember are former parkland along the Charles River and thought-to-be-abandoned railroad right of way on one of the lines south of Boston. The parkland might have been abandoned for a century. The rail lines died by the 1960s, but the state is dumping a lot of money into restoring them.
 
2013-01-24 05:19:04 PM

ZAZ: The spirit of the law is to encourage and reward productive use of land which is a benefit to society.

I see the spirit of the law as preventing traps and technicalities, like losing the back yard you thought was yours because somebody 30 years ago put a fence in the wrong place. That is why adverse possession often requires a claim of right or payment of taxes. If you're just trying to legally steal something the law may not care to help you. If you and your neighbors thought the property line was at the fence, then make it so.


This is also true, in addition (according to my google-fu) it protects against land owners from previous generations claiming ownership, a sort of statute of limitations for possession disputes..
 
2013-01-24 05:20:16 PM

jst3p: WeenerGord: jst3p: The homeowners breached the contract

Not in every case. In some cases, the banks breached the contracts. Haven't you heard about this in the news? There has probably been a fark thread about it.

Then I would expect the homeowners to seek legal recourse. You are talking about the exception not the rule though and I don't know what point you are trying to make now. It seems like you are grasping at straws, or you have been trolling me this entire thread and you are running out of gas.



Not that rare of an exception, and many homeowners have tried legal recourse, but the banks had deeper pockets.

No, I still think that you and others in this thread are wrong for gloating about stealing homes. It's bad and you should feel bad.

/I noticed you dodged all the questions about giving away your house and properties to the poor, or letting them live there for free, because, in your words, it would be fun, and a nice thing to do.
//Not so much fun when it's your property, is it?
 
2013-01-24 05:23:20 PM

WeenerGord: jst3p: WeenerGord: jst3p: If I had sustainable investment income and no family I think it would be fun to attempt to gain title to homes in this fashion and if successful sell it to a "working poor" family for a fraction of its value and move on to the next one.

Yeah, I bet you would. You're a real Robbin Hood, aincha

I probably wouldn't but to be fair I only said I think it would be fun.


Not surprised that you would find stealing another person's home to be "fun"


That's not what happened in the article though, and the poster to whom you're replying was suggesting he'd do what the guy in the article did. Even if I accepted your premise that the guy stole a house (which I don't), he absolutely did not steal anyone's "home."
 
2013-01-24 05:26:19 PM

WeenerGord: Not that rare of an exception,


What percentage of all foreclosures in the US last year were improperly executed?


and many homeowners have tried legal recourse, but the banks had deeper pockets.


How many?

No, I still think that you and others in this thread are wrong for gloating about stealing homes. It's bad and you should feel bad.

/I noticed you dodged all the questions about giving away your house and properties to the poor, or letting them live there for free, because, in your words, it would be fun, and a nice thing to do.
//Not so much fun when it's your property, is it?


I dodged nothing. I originally said if I had an investment income that I could live off of and no family it would be fun. That is still my position, but those aren't the circumstances I live in today.

Sadly you haven't learned a thing since you keep throwing that term around improperly.

Ah well, you can lead a horse to water.
 
2013-01-24 05:31:02 PM

jst3p: Ah well, you can lead a horse to water.



Sure, and when it comes to your own greed, you will chose to forget that maybe there used to be a family in that home that you are having fun squatting on.
 
2013-01-24 05:33:33 PM

WeenerGord: jst3p: Ah well, you can lead a horse to water.


Sure, and when it comes to your own greed, you will chose to forget that maybe there used to be a family in that home that you are having fun squatting on.


In my hypothetical scenario maybe they would be the ones I sell it to. I am not the one that forced them to move.
 
2013-01-24 05:44:56 PM

WeenerGord: jst3p: Ah well, you can lead a horse to water.


"Sure, and when it comes to your own greed, you will chose to forget that maybe there used to be a family in that home that you are having fun squatting on.

"

Ah, the "GREED word". Predictable. Greed means what? It means wanting to better oneself. Do you, good sir, ever wish to better yourself? Do you actually make efforts and use energy and time and imagination to make your own life better? If so, then tell me if anybody in this thread is greedier than yourself. Sheesh!

On your second point, why is it his concern if a family once lived in a home before he did? He did not take it from anybody, as they by choice moved away and defaulted on a loan. Yeah, if anybody here is being a bum, it's the guy who signed for the house in the first place, then cheated the bank out of the monthly payment.

I've followed this thread pretty closely and detect a certain sourpuss attitude in you, and it seems to be aimed at people taking steps to better their lives and making themselves happier by effort. Are you always this way? If you have some marvelous alternative concept for living and interacting in a society, I'd love to hear it.
 
2013-01-24 05:58:23 PM

EVERYBODY PANIC: He did not take it from anybody, as they by choice moved away and defaulted on a loan.



I hope you're trollin, cos you KNOW that isn't true in all cases.
 
2013-01-24 06:02:07 PM
IDK about living there in the long run.But this sounds like it would be easy way to get a "free" rental for a week or two.
 
2013-01-24 06:20:44 PM

ArcadianRefugee: It's Florida! Just sell the house and the new owner can just shoot the guy as a trespasser. "Stand your ground" and all that.


Just have the current owner "stand his ground." If a law that stupid is legal then it's legal in all circumstances.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-01-24 06:38:19 PM
You generally can not shoot somebody for simple trespass, stand your ground or not.

Within your own house stand your ground is about the same as the castle doctrine of many other states. Stand your ground and castle doctrine dispense with the need to try to run away from a fight. You still need a legal reason to shoot.

Can you convince the police, judge, or jury that the squatter was committing a violent felony? Then fire at will.
 
2013-01-24 07:23:04 PM
i wanna stay in Clearwater
 
2013-01-24 07:25:23 PM

BradleyUffner: notatrollorami:
$500 says you do not own a home (unless you're trolling). If you have a tremendous amount of your net worth wrapped up in something you're goddamned right you have an interest in ensuring other people don't adversely affect it. If you own a stock and someone is jacking with it's value in an ethically questionable way you'd take an interest in that too.

//Yeah, I know, we're supposed to hate anyone with money. But contrary to Fark wisdom a LOT of people with money worked their ass off to make it.

I own a home and don't give a crap what my neighbors do, as long as it isn't loud, smelly, or otherwise dangerous to me. I bought my house to live in, not to "flip".


You do realize that property values impact people who aren't flipping their house, right?
 
2013-01-24 07:35:57 PM

JohnCarter: Problem solved
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I'd think that would actually get you a few more problems, namely arson and attempted murder (if you are lucky).
 
2013-01-24 08:19:55 PM

WeenerGord: EVERYBODY PANIC: He did not take it from anybody, as they by choice moved away and defaulted on a loan.


I hope you're trollin, cos you KNOW that isn't true in all cases.


All adverse possessions are performed by law. If somebody steals a man's property of any knd, that's not adverse possession. That's stealing, and it goes way beyond just residences. Stealing is always wrong.

I once belonged to a group of people researching many things of which AP was a minor side note. Once it was shown to be lawful, many group members took action. They studied the law and acted upon it. Some were later sent packing, but some are now nearing the 7 year mark, as they fought the banksters in court and won. One young couple did not even have to go to court, as the bank for its own reasons chose to not bother fighting them. Big newer home on an acre. Free and clear. Just waiting out the 7 years. Admit it... that's pretty awesome.

You seem to resent that people do this particular lawful act. Care to share with us why that seems to be so? As for me trolling, read my earlier posts on this thread. I know my stuff regarding AP. If it were morally or legally unacceptable, I'd not support those who do it.
 
2013-01-24 08:50:10 PM

EVERYBODY PANIC: You seem to resent that people do this particular lawful act. Care to share with us why that seems to be so?



To hear you lot tell it, the original owners who bought the house, and lost it to the bank for whatever reason, are deadbeat losers who deserved to be forced out, and the gypsy who snuck in, and is trying to get it for nothing, is some kind of folk hero, and frankly, you all wish you could steal houses for free like that too, because it would be fun, and greed is good, especially for society. And if the neighbors don't like it, fark them.

And you can't figure out what the problem is with any of the above? Care to share with us why that seems to be so?

Seems to me that you all have some of the same ideas as the settlers who killed off the indians. That was probably legal at the time, too.
 
2013-01-24 08:53:34 PM

FTDA: topcon: Oh good, another one of these articles again.

Please post links of anyone who has successfully taken legal possession of a $2 million house in this fashion.

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i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-24 09:35:23 PM
So... Bank of America can foreclose on people's houses, but they can't get him out of there?


Waitaminute. He's not costing me anything. He's inconveniencing whoever paid the $21 million for the house and couldn't be bothered to live in it. Why do I even care?
 
2013-01-24 10:06:35 PM

WeenerGord: EVERYBODY PANIC: You seem to resent that people do this particular lawful act. Care to share with us why that seems to be so?


To hear you lot tell it, the original owners who bought the house, and lost it to the bank for whatever reason, are deadbeat losers who deserved to be forced out, and the gypsy who snuck in, and is trying to get it for nothing, is some kind of folk hero, and frankly, you all wish you could steal houses for free like that too, because it would be fun, and greed is good, especially for society. And if the neighbors don't like it, fark them.

And you can't figure out what the problem is with any of the above? Care to share with us why that seems to be so?

Seems to me that you all have some of the same ideas as the settlers who killed off the indians. That was probably legal at the time, too.


Getting too late to play along. You think what you wish. This is still America and we're still free to disagree. In this latest post of yours, you keep trying to state things which are out of context and patently false. I do not support stealing. I do feel sorry for people who lose their homes, I do not accept the way the Native Americans were mistreated. As for greed, that is the only topic on which I would enjoy a deeper discussion with you.

I want you to try really hard and come up with a definition of your own creation for the word GREED. Show me how it applies to me and how it somehow does not apply to you. Are you up to this task? I defined it in a pretty good form earlier. Greed is the desire to improve your life. It is neither moral nor immoral. A criminal attempt to improve your life is a crime, and an effort to gain in a moral and lawful manner is not wrong in amy way. Allow me to go to an extreme: Shold I build a factory and hire a thousand people to build toothbrushes, and should I pay a good wage (as you yourself might define it), and should I end up becoming a billionaire... am I greedy?

I await your definition of GREED. With no ability to define one's terms, nothing one says has meaning and is thus, gibberish. Prove me wrong please.
 
2013-01-24 10:28:20 PM

Valiente: signaljammer: Imagine a world without adverse possession.

Given how eminent domain is criminally misused in the States, it's perversely funny to see a legally savvy squatter pull this.


This. His neighbor is annoyed that this young Brazilian boy isn't 'cleaning her pool' if you know what I mean and I think you might.
 
2013-01-24 10:59:55 PM
Nice try but BoA's army of lawyers will take care of it real quick.
 
2013-01-24 11:37:36 PM

WeenerGord: Not surprised that you would find stealing another person's home to be "fun"


I think it would be fun to steal a bunch of homes that belonged to banks. Because fark em. They did their best to rip all of us off.
 
2013-01-24 11:43:47 PM

Bucky Katt: Nice try but BoA's army of lawyers will take care of it real quick.


Just as soon as they find the right document signed by the right Linda Green

i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-25 12:32:21 AM
Technically you have to also have never been shot during that period for trespassing. Its a disqualification.
 
2013-01-25 01:27:27 AM

EVERYBODY PANIC: I do feel sorry for people who lose their homes,


Well that took a while didn't it?

EVERYBODY PANIC: Greed is the desire to improve your life. It is neither moral nor immoral. A criminal attempt to improve your life is a crime, and an effort to gain in a moral and lawful manner is not wrong in amy way.


You an Ayn Rand fan?

EVERYBODY PANIC: Allow me to go to an extreme: Shold I build a factory and hire a thousand people to build toothbrushes, and should I pay a good wage (as you yourself might define it), and should I end up becoming a billionaire... am I greedy?


And if you come to work one morning and find squatters have taken over your factory, demanding that you sell it to them for one dollar, should you hand it over? Because fark the rich, that's why? You don't deserve what you worked to earn, as long as there is a squatter around who also feels greed and wants to take what you have? Not saying that you said that, but others in the thread have, and you appear to be supporting their position.
 
2013-01-25 03:25:07 AM

deanis: Insatiable Jesus: Rich ratfarkers pissed that a brown person is ratfarking the system? LOL LOLOLLLLLLOL

A person getting in the way of properly getting this house into actual homeowners hands. What's better for this neighborhood, a squatter or a homeowner? What does skin color have to do with this?


The bank can't sell it. Banks don't make very good realtors. It will probably stay vacant for years to come, no matter what happens.
 
2013-01-25 07:28:47 AM

WeenerGord: EVERYBODY PANIC: I do feel sorry for people who lose their homes,

Well that took a while didn't it?

EVERYBODY PANIC: Greed is the desire to improve your life. It is neither moral nor immoral. A criminal attempt to improve your life is a crime, and an effort to gain in a moral and lawful manner is not wrong in amy way.

You an Ayn Rand fan?

EVERYBODY PANIC: Allow me to go to an extreme: Shold I build a factory and hire a thousand people to build toothbrushes, and should I pay a good wage (as you yourself might define it), and should I end up becoming a billionaire... am I greedy?

And if you come to work one morning and find squatters have taken over your factory, demanding that you sell it to them for one dollar, should you hand it over? Because fark the rich, that's why? You don't deserve what you worked to earn, as long as there is a squatter around who also feels greed and wants to take what you have? Not saying that you said that, but others in the thread have, and you appear to be supporting their position.


Good sir, you are oblivious to anything said in this entire thread. A reply would be futile. Everything you wrote is dealt with ad nausseum above.
 
2013-01-25 08:33:05 AM

StoPPeRmobile: The bank can't sell it. Banks don't make very good realtors. It will probably stay vacant for years to come, no matter what happens.


I'd rather someone move into the vacant houses in my neighborhood. Not only don't the banks make good realtors, they don't take care of their property either. They're absentee owners of hazardous properties which after a year or so are unfit for habitation. I don't know how they're legally able to sell any of these abandoned homes and pretend that they're liveable.
 
2013-01-25 09:53:59 AM
it's my $21 million dollar house i need it now!

i like money
 
2013-01-25 12:37:25 PM

ScaryBottles: Man it just reeks of sandy vaginas in here. I mean why do you people even give two shiats? BOA are goons and Floridians are dumb asses I say good on him.


and everyone from your state has dick on their breath.
 
2013-01-25 01:12:20 PM

I drunk what: it's my $21 million dollar house i need it now!

i like money


It *CAN* be arranged. Where in Florida do you reside?
 
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