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(ABC Local)   Another stunning revelation from the Romero Institute: All-electric vehicles do not need gasoline   ( divider line
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2013-01-24 03:54:04 PM  
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When they can develop an electric that I can drive from coast to coast (without needing to stop for a recharge any longer, or more often than it takes to refill a gas tank,) I'll buy one.

A pitiful 80 mile range and a 4 hour charge? No thanks.
2013-01-24 02:00:56 PM  
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The cost of replacing the coal/oil/Natural gas/Nuclear fired power grid with a Hydrogen/Wind Turbine/Solar Grid would be around 35 Billion a year for 10 years.
The cost of our current base resource price per year for our current Coal/Oil/Natural Gas fired grid is 143 Biillion a year, not including maintainance costs nor pipeline expansion costs or any other major investments (new NG Fracking installations, oil rigs etc.

If we made just 2 years of 35 Billion in Wind/Solar investment in the right way, 111 Billion of this yearly cost (coal) would be removed from the yearly energy generation base cost, and not be replaced.
So without change our current energy cost for 10 years = 1.43 Trillion dollars
10 years with change over to Wind/Solar other components = 350 Billion Dollars.
Other than base upkeep costs, total energy costs from new installations and natural resources = 0

Bonus when completed we begin to have energy surplus reserves equal to 4 years for every year the new completed grid is up.
Plus the expected before replacement is: 50 years for Solar and 75 years for Wind.
Another advantage, is if we invest 10 Billion in Superconductive tech, we can cut the total conversion price to around 150 Billion as we increase our efficiencies by 35 to 40% over those same 10 years.

As for the car tech, as soon as SuperCapacitors become the primary battery component, charge rates should drop to around 80% charge in 20 -25 minutes with the remaining 20% being replinished in an extra hour or two.
Also the installation of the newly developed solar cells onto the car could extened daylight range by 20 percent, or help to the charge the car in 4 hours in a sunny environment or 6 in a cloudy more northerly lattitude.

So while we have some distance to go, we could have most of the problem of energy production on earth solved and completely underground resource free in 10 to 12 years, by just using what we now have on the shelf in a wel;l thought out way.
2013-01-24 01:44:03 PM  
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Kraftwerk Orange: Not for a car that generally maxes out around $25K. You can buy a lot of gasoline for $15K.

That's a mistake that a lot of people make. Vehicle features don't have to break even financially. Heated seats don't break even. Extra horsepower doesn't break even. Rims don't break even. God knows booty-rattlin' stereos don't break even. You have one because you consider it cool as all get out (which it is), or terribly convenient in that you don't have to gas the thing up.
2013-01-24 01:29:29 PM  
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ha-ha-guy: They may however take down electric grids when everyone comes home at 5 and plugs them in at the same time.

/seriously, we had utilities in areas that we planned to sell the Volt express concern over this
//either electric companies are going to need their shiat together with regard to this or electric cars will have to queue to charge
/so you go home, plug it in and three hours later it is still uncharged and sitting in line when you decide to run to the store, that's going to make them popular

Derp. (PDF, scan of magazine article. Online version here but it's lacking the graphs.)

TL;DR: "We can handle it with new billing strategies and rolling upgrades into maintenance we need to do anyway."

The bottom line is the Detroit Edison electric distribution system is able to handle the increased load from the initial fleet of PEV adoption with little investment in infrastructure upgrades. Off-peak vehicle charging (after 11 p.m.) can reduce costs and defer investments in distribution infrastructure upgrades while still allowing vehicles to receive a full charge by morning. It is also possible that incentivizing customers to charge during off-peak hours can be done with time-of-use pricing.

Basically what you're saying is having a large number of people buy air conditioners would crash the utility grid, because that's about the additional load an EV has. Nobody calls the power company when they get a new appliance, why would an EV be any different?
2013-01-24 12:57:34 PM  
1 vote:
Great... then demand for gas will fall and prices can go back down again! Then we can all sell our electric cars and buy SUV's again!
2013-01-24 12:52:12 PM  
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Depends on where you're getting the electricity from.

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/In all seriousness tho, electric vehicles just move the demand.
/Need more renewable energy to really score them as a win.
2013-01-24 12:50:22 PM  
1 vote:
In some places, they run on coal
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