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(NBC News)   How do North Korea's propaganda poets react to the world's laughter? "The sun will always give off its light even though rats make nonsensical remarks moving around ditch, while finding it hard to raise their heads to the bright human world"   (worldnews.nbcnews.com) divider line 100
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2013-01-24 12:42:03 PM

Arthen: I don't think China is laughing, oh ye who would conflate their own view with that of the world.


Also, this. One wonders what more it would take to convince China that having Pyongyang as a buffer between Beijing and Seoul is no longer worth the trouble, and that perhaps accidentally looking in a different direction for a couple of months might not be the worst of ideas.
 
2013-01-24 12:46:42 PM

computerguyUT: I'll bet their Carbon Footprint would make Al Gore wet himself.

How much carbon is released when you burn a political dissident for heat anyway?


I wonder what it's like to hate Al Gore? I bet it's like hating dry, white toast, tap water, or the Toyota Camry.
 
2013-01-24 12:55:45 PM

Rapmaster2000: I wonder if this sounds as awesome in Korean.


Every time I read snippets from their publications, I've just assumed that it must sound less over-the-top in Korean. Not that anyone there is likely to laugh in their face if it doesn't.
 
2013-01-24 12:55:56 PM

FlyPanAm: KiwDaWabbit: Six American defectors to North Korea can't be wrong.

Holy farkballs, that really happened.

Link


Here is the Romanian woman the North Koreans kidnapped to be his wife:
www.evz.ro
 
2013-01-24 12:57:32 PM

jaybeezey: Because People in power are Stupid: They sound like republicans when their facts don't align with reality.

They sound like democrats when their facts don't align with reality.

Easy and dumb.

0/10


Lately there is only one factually disabled party. So the "rubber-glue bounces off me ... Naya" is completely stupid...
 
2013-01-24 01:11:31 PM
Ah, N. Korea, the Chick tract of countries.
 
2013-01-24 01:22:11 PM

leonel: thomps: what if north korea really is an amazing land of happiness and plenty and we are the ones being lied to by a vast propaganda machine?

That what I always wonder from time to time. I think that would be a great theme for a story to explore, because we know North Korea's perception of world affairs is different to ours but what if the shoe were on the other foot.


There's actually a documentary shot not too long ago by British filmmakers called "A State of Mind" that revolves around two girls performing in what NK calls the "Mass Games" (iirc), a large spectacle of coordinated dance that's essentially their Super Bowl, but performed by thousands of people. It's a really interesting film in that it actually shows the positives of North Korean culture. Their children are well educated (although they need to attend a propaganda class) and smart and the parents seem like very good parents. This should go without saying but it obviously doesn't show the worst NK has to offer but then again neither does what we show the rest of the world of the US.
 
2013-01-24 01:23:11 PM
Yeah but you know how those Best Korea poets are. They'll sell out to anyone for a some food or to avoid torturer or so they aren't forced to watch their forced children brutalize each other. what a bunch of poseurs.
 
2013-01-24 01:52:22 PM
They are going to nuke us, mark my words. Within 10 years they are going to nuke us. Didn't Bill Clinton and that dog, Albright, give them a bunch of our missile technology?
 
2013-01-24 01:53:25 PM

SocraticIrony: leonel: thomps: what if north korea really is an amazing land of happiness and plenty and we are the ones being lied to by a vast propaganda machine?

That what I always wonder from time to time. I think that would be a great theme for a story to explore, because we know North Korea's perception of world affairs is different to ours but what if the shoe were on the other foot.

There's actually a documentary shot not too long ago by British filmmakers called "A State of Mind" that revolves around two girls performing in what NK calls the "Mass Games" (iirc), a large spectacle of coordinated dance that's essentially their Super Bowl, but performed by thousands of people. It's a really interesting film in that it actually shows the positives of North Korean culture. Their children are well educated (although they need to attend a propaganda class) and smart and the parents seem like very good parents. This should go without saying but it obviously doesn't show the worst NK has to offer but then again neither does what we show the rest of the world of the US.


Yes, but consider this: Anyone whose kids are performing in the Mass Games is probably getting the best of what North Korea has to offer. 'The Best' is probably pretty nice. But two problems: first, it's available to very, very few. Second, the drop-off from The Best is really, really, really steep.
 
2013-01-24 01:58:41 PM
One million soldiers
could change the situation
if they felt like it.
 
2013-01-24 02:11:20 PM

aelfscine: SocraticIrony: leonel: thomps: what if north korea really is an amazing land of happiness and plenty and we are the ones being lied to by a vast propaganda machine?

That what I always wonder from time to time. I think that would be a great theme for a story to explore, because we know North Korea's perception of world affairs is different to ours but what if the shoe were on the other foot.

There's actually a documentary shot not too long ago by British filmmakers called "A State of Mind" that revolves around two girls performing in what NK calls the "Mass Games" (iirc), a large spectacle of coordinated dance that's essentially their Super Bowl, but performed by thousands of people. It's a really interesting film in that it actually shows the positives of North Korean culture. Their children are well educated (although they need to attend a propaganda class) and smart and the parents seem like very good parents. This should go without saying but it obviously doesn't show the worst NK has to offer but then again neither does what we show the rest of the world of the US.

Yes, but consider this: Anyone whose kids are performing in the Mass Games is probably getting the best of what North Korea has to offer. 'The Best' is probably pretty nice. But two problems: first, it's available to very, very few. Second, the drop-off from The Best is really, really, really steep.


Obviously.
 
2013-01-24 02:26:29 PM

tekmo: One million soldiers
could change the situation
if they felt like it.


Too bad they're living in an IRL version of Paranoia

www.monkeyinthecage.com
 
2013-01-24 02:32:52 PM
Hey you have to give them credit.. they have solved the obesity epidemic that the capitolists suffer..
 
2013-01-24 02:42:38 PM
That's awesome. Like going to church.
 
2013-01-24 02:47:22 PM

MNguy: RoxtarRyan: Worst. Haiku. Ever.

If you read it in its original language, it's actually quite beautiful and inspiring.


Yeah, it sounds like it FTFA. I'm a bit impressed with the imagery at least; it's clearly losing a lot in translation, but it sounds like N Korea has some pretty decent poets working for it. Which makes sense, you want the best and brightest for a propaganda campaign.
 
2013-01-24 02:49:39 PM

simplicimus: Rats? I thought it was mice. And fjords, not ditches.


No, no, the fjords are in the Glorious People's Democratic Paradise. And we, the unlucky Non-Enlightened Imperialists, are the parrots who can only pine for them, for we are nailed to our perches and cannot nuzzle up to the Bars of Capitalism which imprison us, nor bend them open with our beaks of Juche. This is our doom, and our fate.

Not even four million volts could save us.
 
2013-01-24 02:51:09 PM

Millennium: Subby/TFA/some poet: The sun will always give off its light even though rats make nonsensical remarks moving around ditch, while finding it hard to raise their heads to the bright human world

At least in translation, I know Vogons who could do better. Maybe it loses something in translation, though?


I blame it on the sad lack of freddled gruntbugglies on this benighted (though mostly harmless) planet, without which even the best Koreans do not have a true muse.
 
2013-01-24 02:52:20 PM

Arkanaut: A banner reading "Accomplish task suggested by Workers Party Central Committee and Central Army Committee" appears at a rally commemorating the 65th anniversary of North Korean Workers Party in Pyongyang on Feb. 13, 2010.

So poetic. Rhyming "Committee" with "Committee"? Genius! And such beautiful imagery too...


I found the choice of the word "suggested" to be highly creative and artistic, myself.
 
2013-01-24 02:52:22 PM

SocraticIrony: There's actually a documentary shot not too long ago by British filmmakers called "A State of Mind" that revolves around two girls performing in what NK calls the "Mass Games" (iirc), a large spectacle of coordinated dance that's essentially their Super Bowl, but performed by thousands of people. It's a really interesting film in that it actually shows the positives of North Korean culture. Their children are well educated (although they need to attend a propaganda class) and smart and the parents seem like very good parents. This should go without saying but it obviously doesn't show the worst NK has to offer but then again neither does what we show the rest of the world of the US.


Counterpoint: Honey Boo Boo.
 
2013-01-24 02:59:05 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: They sound like republicans when their facts don't align with reality.


Some moran always has to go there.
 
2013-01-24 03:05:20 PM

thomps: what if north korea really is an amazing land of happiness and plenty and we are the ones being lied to by a vast propaganda machine?


i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-24 03:11:43 PM

SocraticIrony: This should go without saying but it obviously doesn't show the worst NK has to offer but then again neither does what we show the rest of the world of the US.


Bullshiat. We absolutely do. There's no restriction whatsoever on broadcasting our poverty, our violence, our social problems; and we broadcast those things to the world all the time.
 
2013-01-24 03:12:48 PM

squidgod2000: thomps: what if north korea really is an amazing land of happiness and plenty and we are the ones being lied to by a vast propaganda machine?


Then they seem to have managed it with almost no distributed alternating current and we should kiss their asses rosy until they tell us how.
 
2013-01-24 03:42:26 PM

DSummZZZ: Because People in power are Stupid: They sound like republicans when their facts don't align with reality.

Some moran always has to go there.


Did I hurt your wittle feewings?
 
2013-01-24 03:50:54 PM

Millennium: Arthen: I don't think China is laughing, oh ye who would conflate their own view with that of the world.

Also, this. One wonders what more it would take to convince China that having Pyongyang as a buffer between Beijing and Seoul is no longer worth the trouble, and that perhaps accidentally looking in a different direction for a couple of months might not be the worst of ideas.


Let's say that the NK had an internal revolution, ousted the psychos, and peacefully merged with SK. Soon, their large population of underemployed and underfed would have full access (though probably with some lingering racism as they snap up SK's jobs) to one of the glittering superstars of the Asian economic sphere.

What do you suppose that the Chinese living just above the NK border would think or do when the living standards of the folks on the other side of the hill suddenly shot up?
 
2013-01-24 03:51:12 PM

BigNumber12: SocraticIrony: This should go without saying but it obviously doesn't show the worst NK has to offer but then again neither does what we show the rest of the world of the US.

Bullshiat. We absolutely do. There's no restriction whatsoever on broadcasting our poverty, our violence, our social problems; and we broadcast those things to the world all the time.


That's a pretty weightless argument since censorship is alive and well in the US. Things like poverty, violence and social problems are unavoidable in any society and while there are movies and television shows that exemplify things like that, there are plenty of taboo subjects in the US that television and movies won't touch.
 
2013-01-24 03:59:01 PM
Unicorn paradises don't have gulags where children are imprisoned for being the children of people who possessed modern technology and then beaten to death when they're caught eating rats or dirt to offset the starvation.
 
2013-01-24 04:03:39 PM

Rindred: Millennium: Arthen: I don't think China is laughing, oh ye who would conflate their own view with that of the world.

Also, this. One wonders what more it would take to convince China that having Pyongyang as a buffer between Beijing and Seoul is no longer worth the trouble, and that perhaps accidentally looking in a different direction for a couple of months might not be the worst of ideas.

Let's say that the NK had an internal revolution, ousted the psychos, and peacefully merged with SK. Soon, their large population of underemployed and underfed would have full access (though probably with some lingering racism as they snap up SK's jobs) to one of the glittering superstars of the Asian economic sphere.

What do you suppose that the Chinese living just above the NK border would think or do when the living standards of the folks on the other side of the hill suddenly shot up?


TBH, I think the Chinese would be farking delighted that N. Korea wouldn't be considered their problem anymore.
 
2013-01-24 04:19:19 PM

SocraticIrony: BigNumber12: SocraticIrony: This should go without saying but it obviously doesn't show the worst NK has to offer but then again neither does what we show the rest of the world of the US.

Bullshiat. We absolutely do. There's no restriction whatsoever on broadcasting our poverty, our violence, our social problems; and we broadcast those things to the world all the time.

That's a pretty weightless argument since censorship is alive and well in the US. Things like poverty, violence and social problems are unavoidable in any society and while there are movies and television shows that exemplify things like that, there are plenty of taboo subjects in the US that television and movies won't touch.


Your Boobies asserted that NK doesn't broadcast "the worst it has to offer." I don't think I'm alone in interpreting that to mean living conditions or retaliation against people who speak out against the government. I'm not aware of government suppression of broadcasts concerning either of those topics - I can hardly turn on my TV without seeing coverage of gruesome crime, poverty, homelessness, depression, overconsumption, and people accusing the government of just about everything. Analysis of our societal shortcomings is extremely popular and heavily discussed. If you're heading in the direction of "b-but classified material!" - every country on Earth does that.

Which movie/TV taboos are you referring to? Keep in mind that we're discussing things that would reveal "the worst" aspects of living in our country - not issues of "decency" like nudity and pornography which aren't secret to anyone and which are regulated in every country on Earth. "Taboo" suggests that it's not palatable to the general public and therefore not profitable to air - not that it's a widely popular subject which the government, in its own interest and against the will of the people, has deemed illegal.
 
2013-01-24 04:25:11 PM

SocraticIrony: That's a pretty weightless argument since censorship is alive and well in the US. Things like poverty, violence and social problems are unavoidable in any society and while there are movies and television shows that exemplify things like that, there are plenty of taboo subjects in the US that television and movies won't touch.


In Best Korea they put devices in radios and televisions to physically prevent them from receiving unauthorized broadcasts, and it is illegal to listen to radio that isn't state-run.

Your turn.
 
2013-01-24 05:03:10 PM

Dokushin: In Best Korea they put devices in radios and televisions to physically prevent them from receiving unauthorized broadcasts, and it is illegal to listen to radio that isn't state-run.

Your turn.


starringthecomputer.com
 
2013-01-24 05:33:49 PM

Dokushin: there are plenty of taboo subjects in the US that television and movies won't touch.


In the US -television and movies generally are looking for ratings -so things that won't get ratings won't be touched.  I'm very curious about which subjects you think those are. If it's some conspiracy rant -it's probably on the internet. I truly doubt mindcontrol dentistry or "fluoride makes people commies" are genuine concerns.

There's two ways you can go with this. Your either a troll in which case you should opt for the weirder belief systems or you are a Chomskyite -in which case you are going to cherry pick some news that actually DID make it on TV but was in error.
 
2013-01-24 05:38:31 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: Dokushin: there are plenty of taboo subjects in the US that television and movies won't touch.

In the US -television and movies generally are looking for ratings -so things that won't get ratings won't be touched.  I'm very curious about which subjects you think those are. If it's some conspiracy rant -it's probably on the internet. I truly doubt mindcontrol dentistry or "fluoride makes people commies" are genuine concerns.

There's two ways you can go with this. Your either a troll in which case you should opt for the weirder belief systems or you are a Chomskyite -in which case you are going to cherry pick some news that actually DID make it on TV but was in error.


Hi! My name is "Dokushin." I didn't say what you quoted me as saying. I, therefore, don't know if you're replying to something I did say but quoted the wrong thing, or if you're replying to the person that did say that.
 
2013-01-24 06:26:36 PM

BigNumber12: : You asserted that NK doesn't broadcast "the worst it has to offer."


You clearly didn't read my original comment. If you did then you lack reading comprehension skills to a terrifying degree. "There's actually a documentary shot not too long ago by British filmmakers" means that the filmmakers were British, not North Korean and it wasn't shown in North Korea. When I say that the film "revolves around two girls performing in what NK calls the Mass Games'...that's essentially their Super Bowl", you can probably infer that it's going to show a limited view of NK society. Indeed as someone pointed out, these people have the best NK offers to its citizens and it's a steep drop off after that, which the film points out. I have a feeling you'll misinterpret this paragraph to mean anything you want it to, so save yourself the time of replying and do something more productive like drinking antifreeze.

And if you want to "turn on my TV without seeing coverage of gruesome crime, poverty, homelessness, depression, overconsumption, and people accusing the government of just about everything" then pull your head out of your arse, turn off CSI and Faux News, maybe read a book.

Dokushin: In Best Korea they put devices in radios and televisions to physically prevent them from receiving unauthorized broadcasts, and it is illegal to listen to radio that isn't state-run.

Your turn.


That was mentioned in the documentary. You have lost 1 point. You currently have -1 point.

Taboo: Criticism of the amount of taxpayer money that goes to Israel.
 
2013-01-24 07:03:57 PM

SocraticIrony: turn off CSI and Faux News


SocraticIrony: do something more productive like drinking antifreeze.


Oh look, another "lol America sucks" partisan moron who divides the world into "everyone who agrees with me" and "stupid republitards who should die."

You're right. America is totally like North Korea, but with more evil Jews. Your school buddies are right.

SocraticIrony: Taboo: Criticism of the amount of taxpayer money that goes to Israel.


Priceless.
 
2013-01-24 07:41:18 PM

BigNumber12: SocraticIrony: turn off CSI and Faux News

SocraticIrony: do something more productive like drinking antifreeze.

Oh look, another "lol America sucks" partisan moron who divides the world into "everyone who agrees with me" and "stupid republitards who should die."

You're right. America is totally like North Korea, but with more evil Jews. Your school buddies are right.

SocraticIrony: Taboo: Criticism of the amount of taxpayer money that goes to Israel.

Priceless.


I predicted butthurt but boy did you just shiat yourself.
 
2013-01-24 07:47:15 PM

SocraticIrony: Taboo: Criticism of the amount of taxpayer money that goes to Israel.


I think we spend far too much taxpayer money on Israel.

Can you read this?

Where's that censorship again?
 
2013-01-24 08:10:19 PM

Confabulat: SocraticIrony: Taboo: Criticism of the amount of taxpayer money that goes to Israel.

I think we spend far too much taxpayer money on Israel.

Can you read this?

Where's that censorship again?


I'm pretty sure he's just looking for reactions at this point. He started off trying to look reasonable and informed, but then went plummeting off the "America just as bad!" cliff, and when called on it, started foaming at the mouth and flinging insults. I'm sure, if pressed, he'll tell you about the Jewish Media Conspiracy.

I don't know that I'd bother with him if I were you.
 
2013-01-24 08:12:11 PM

BigNumber12: SocraticIrony: turn off CSI and Faux News

SocraticIrony: do something more productive like drinking antifreeze.

Oh look, another "lol America sucks" partisan moron who divides the world into "everyone who agrees with me" and "stupid republitards who should die."

You're right. America is totally like North Korea, but with more evil Jews. Your school buddies are right.

SocraticIrony: Taboo: Criticism of the amount of taxpayer money that goes to Israel.

Priceless.


They're driving me more moderate everyday. Religious right, and "intellectual" left. End result is the same.
 
2013-01-24 08:28:39 PM

SocraticIrony: That was mentioned in the documentary. You have lost 1 point. You currently have -1 point.

Taboo: Criticism of the amount of taxpayer money that goes to Israel.


Oh no! I lost a point? Crap! Why does it matter if it's in the documentary, again? The fact is that the US isn't even remotely close to that level of censorship. North Korea has state-mandated physical blocks to access of unauthorized transmission in every capable receiving device. That's so many orders of magnitude removed from something being "taboo" that the suggestion of equivalence is almost like mockery.

In North Korea, saying the wrong thing will get you, your immediate family, any children you'll ever had, and any children they'll ever have thrown in prison for life. And this isn't prison like PMITA federal; it's more like Nazi Germany. For the Jews.

Here talking about something "taboo" (hah) means you might get called names on the teevee. Gasp.
 
2013-01-24 09:26:07 PM

BigNumber12: Confabulat:Where's that censorship again?


I agree. Saying it on TV is a different matter. Not because "teh juice" like number12 is suggesting but because it's a very unpopular position that upsets people for various reasons. Ironically, it's usually the same people who say we need to reduce government spending.

I'm pretty sure he's just looking for reactions at this point. He started off trying to look reasonable and informed, but then went plummeting off the "America just as bad!" cliff, and when called on it, started foaming at the mouth and flinging insults. I'm sure, if pressed, he'll tell you about the Jewish Media Conspiracy.

It's just sad that you keep responding now, and I'm pretty sure you got mad, stopped talking about the subject (though you didn't know it in the first place) and started calling me a litany of inaccurate names first.

Dokushin: Why does it matter if it's in the documentary, again?


I wish you people could pay attention. It was a British filmmaker who was given access to film by NK, who obviously want to be shone in the most positive light possible. Film and TV in the US doesn't always make it out to be the best but it certainly shies away from taboo subjects for the sake of popularity and sale potential. I'm not disagreeing that censorship here is much less severe in every way or that any of what you described inaccurately.
 
2013-01-24 09:42:47 PM

SocraticIrony: I wish you people could pay attention


Everyone else is wrong.

Pretty lonely over there on your side, isn't it?
 
2013-01-24 11:53:42 PM

BigNumber12: SocraticIrony: I wish you people could pay attention

Everyone else is wrong.

Pretty lonely over there on your side, isn't it?


I'd rather be alone on the top then be with company at the bottom. How'd it feel getting your ass handed to you?
 
2013-01-25 12:25:04 AM

SocraticIrony: BigNumber12: SocraticIrony: I wish you people could pay attention

Everyone else is wrong.

Pretty lonely over there on your side, isn't it?

I'd rather be alone on the top then be with company at the bottom. How'd it feel getting your ass handed to you?


I am the smartest person in this thead.

Oh snap! It is that easy!
 
2013-01-25 12:27:15 AM
There's a fascinating British documentary called "Crossing the Line" about James Dresnok, one of those American soldiers who defected to North Korea in the 1960s. He still lives there, and apparently loves the place. There's a scene in which he tearfully talks about a huge famine during the 90s, and how grateful he was to the Korean government for not cutting his rations during that time. It's on Netflix, but you can find it online here and there with a little Googling.
 
2013-01-25 12:38:19 AM

spacelord321: SocraticIrony: BigNumber12: SocraticIrony: I wish you people could pay attention

Everyone else is wrong.

Pretty lonely over there on your side, isn't it?

I'd rather be alone on the top then be with company at the bottom. How'd it feel getting your ass handed to you?

I am the smartest person in this thread.

Oh snap! It is that easy!


Case in point.
 
2013-01-25 07:10:22 AM

WordyGrrl: There's a fascinating British documentary called "Crossing the Line" about James Dresnok, one of those American soldiers who defected to North Korea in the 1960s. He still lives there, and apparently loves the place. There's a scene in which he tearfully talks about a huge famine during the 90s, and how grateful he was to the Korean government for not cutting his rations during that time. It's on Netflix, but you can find it online here and there with a little Googling.


Good for him. It's still a despotic shiathole that needs to be cleaned up and fast.
 
2013-01-25 08:52:41 AM

WordyGrrl: There's a fascinating British documentary called "Crossing the Line" about James Dresnok, one of those American soldiers who defected to North Korea in the 1960s. He still lives there, and apparently loves the place. There's a scene in which he tearfully talks about a huge famine during the 90s, and how grateful he was to the Korean government for not cutting his rations during that time. It's on Netflix, but you can find it online here and there with a little Googling.


Yeah, according to fellow defector Charles Jenkins, Dresnok was the Communist party enforcer for all the English-speaking defectors, and was not only given preferential treatment but also allowed to "discipline" (read: torture) the rest, particularly Larry Abshier and Jenkins.

/police states are paradise... for the police
 
2013-01-25 09:06:10 AM

Dokushin: Because People in power are Stupid: Dokushin: there are plenty of taboo subjects in the US that television and movies won't touch.

In the US -television and movies generally are looking for ratings -so things that won't get ratings won't be touched.  I'm very curious about which subjects you think those are. If it's some conspiracy rant -it's probably on the internet. I truly doubt mindcontrol dentistry or "fluoride makes people commies" are genuine concerns.

There's two ways you can go with this. Your either a troll in which case you should opt for the weirder belief systems or you are a Chomskyite -in which case you are going to cherry pick some news that actually DID make it on TV but was in error.

Hi! My name is "Dokushin." I didn't say what you quoted me as saying. I, therefore, don't know if you're replying to something I did say but quoted the wrong thing, or if you're replying to the person that did say that.


At this point I don't know either.

(I don't believe that Dokushin is your real name)
 
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