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(Today)   Bioethicist claims obesity can be reduced by shaming fat people instead of embracing them, because your arms just aren't long enough   (todayhealth.today.com) divider line 108
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2013-01-24 09:42:40 AM
9 votes:
I assume it is also OK to punch an asshole in the face for not minding their own damn business, correct?
2013-01-24 09:49:47 AM
7 votes:
If weight issues are linked with mental issues, adding psychological attacks is only going to make the problem worse. I have struggled with both depression and my weight for years, and articles like these, and the resulting Fark "all fat people should go kill themselves" threads haven't motivated me to exercise, they've made me want to hurt myself and/or drink myself into a stupor. It's hard enough for me to leave the house to begin with. Please don't make it even harder.
2013-01-24 09:34:01 AM
5 votes:
He sounds like he wants to justify his need to be a bully.
2013-01-24 10:19:58 AM
4 votes:
It's the sugar in everything, and it's processed food.  The country is addicted.  I was fat all my life, and ballooned over the last couple winters.  Last April I hopped on a scale after not paying attention for a couple years, and saw 261lbs.  Decided to watch some food documentaries, and viewed "Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead".  Inspiration.  The premiss: Consume nothing but fruit and veggie juices you make at home, tons of flavor recipes that are good, and because you taking in straight up nutrients and little fiber, your digestion takes a break with energy working elsewere, your body burns up a lot of fat, and you reboot your system and break the addiction of sugar, fried stuff, and too much meat.

I tried a 10 day fast.  By day 7 I knew I could do 30.   May, August, and October I did 30 day fasts, lost 100 pounds, no longer crave sugar, or any other of the bad crap.  I now cook "regular" meals, more plant based than meat, and have not only kept the weight off, and changed the way I look at food, but I also lost another 10 pounds since October bringing me down to my goal weight.  Rebooted my body.  Broke the addiction of sugar.  And, once I started it.. it was THE EASIEST THING.

Has nothing to do with lazy.  Yes, there can be underlying crap, but it's amplified by the sugar addiction, just like it would be amplified by alcohol.

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2013-01-24 09:38:54 AM
4 votes:

bighairyguy: He sounds like he wants to justify his need to be a bully.


So pointing out to someone, an adult nonetheless, that they live an unhealthy lifestyle now counts as bullying?

If you are over the age of 15 and are complaining about being bullied, you probably have it coming.
2013-01-24 09:20:24 AM
4 votes:
Haven't we been shaming fat people for decades already?
2013-01-24 10:42:27 AM
3 votes:
Put a penny per calorie tax on food, and then rebate men $28 per day, and women $20 per day (children would get a variable rebate depending on age and sex). Just think of all of the healthful effects!

Top ten reasons to tax food calories:

1. People would be a lot more careful about what they buy.
2. People wouldn't waste as much food.
3. People would grow more of their own food to get around the tax. Not only would this give them healthier food, without all of those pesticides and antibiotics, it also gets them out in the fresh air and exercise.
4. People would eat less, making them thinner and healthier.
5. Fewer joggers and bicyclists would be out there blocking the road, since exercise used in non food-growing activities wastes valuable calories.
6. The extra money (if any) could be used to reduce the deficit.
7. Fewer illegal aliens would be needed to pick crops.
8. Technology now used to go after pot farmers could be used to track down black-market food growers.
9. Fewer people would be ran over by runaway Walmart scooters.
10. Only the well-off could afford to be fat!
2013-01-24 10:40:42 AM
3 votes:

Thunderpipes: We should step up the shame if anything.


After all, shaming you for this derp seems to be totally stopping you from posting it.

Right?
2013-01-24 10:30:44 AM
3 votes:
I lost 70 pounds this past year by doing exactly 3 things. 1) eat LESS. Doesn't have to be "diet-sized meals", just LESS. I ate pretty much whatever I wanted, but ate it SLOWLY with lots of water, and all of a sudden, I would put the fork down feeling "done". Took about 3 weeks to get used to it. Also started drinking a crapload of water. That "hungry" feeling isn't always hunger. A lot of times it's dehydration. 2) Cut out sugar almost completely (except for special occasions, things like that). 3) Started cycling. Now I eat more (because cycling burns shiatloads of calories), and just feel better.

TL;DR: 1) Eat less, 2) almost no sugar, 3) exercise
2013-01-24 10:26:48 AM
3 votes:
I am a slightly overweight, pot using, alcoholic who smokes. I just don't care how other people choose to live their life. If it makes you feel better to make someone else feel worse, you are a dick,and a bad person.
2013-01-24 10:23:44 AM
3 votes:
I'm all on board for shaming fat people just as long as we're on board for shaming people about drinking alcohol.

I've lost friends to violent drunks and drunk drivers but never to anyone eating a hamburger or driving while fat.
2013-01-24 10:16:13 AM
3 votes:

ph0rk: By that same token, the dude (or dudette) in the wheelchair might be there because of their own stupidity, too.


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2013-01-24 10:08:57 AM
3 votes:
FTA: "If you are overweight or obese, are you pleased with the way that you look?"

I'll assume the "proper" answer to this round of Begging the Question is an unqualified "no". I don't mention this because I necessarily disagree with the answer. In fact, I rather agree with this answer- I haven't met any overweight people who are happy with their appearance. They're quick to admit this usually, and have no issue with being honest about this.

The reason I'm bothering to mention this rather obvious point is because, as I've always known- when it comes to criticism- you are your own worst enemy. Not just because you know yourself best, but because- in all honesty- your own thoughts about yourself are the only ones you tend to take very seriously.

And yet many of these people are still fat.

Now it's my turn to Beg the Question: So what- if anything- does shame from outside sources add in terms of value to that individual- in terms of getting them to change?

If you said "nothing", you win not only the washer and dryer, but... A NEW CAR!


In all seriousness, change comes from the individual. It ALWAYS comes from the individual. Ever tried to explain to a buddy that the girl he's dating is very obviously not treating him well and he should perhaps consider other prospects? Ever gotten him to act solely based on your advice? Do the number of times this actually works seem to be the exception rather than the rule?

I can tell you though what society shaming a person like that is almost certain to result in though: generalized anxiety and, eventually, depression.

Know what a lot of people do when depressed? Yeah, they eat- usually too much.

Brilliant plan there, Doctor Schadenfreude.
2013-01-24 09:58:04 AM
3 votes:
Coddling and acceptance isn't what motivated me to lose 80 pounds. Ridicule did. Oh and I didn't want to be diabetic. There's that too, but mostly it was the ridicule.
2013-01-24 09:50:24 AM
3 votes:
That article sounds fat.

hbk72777: "If you are overweight or obese, are you pleased with the way that you look?"


This is great, let's line the streets with posters demeaning everyone

"If you are black or dark brown, are you pleased with the way that you look?"

"If you are Jewish or have a big honker, are you pleased with the way that you look?"

"If you are in a wheelchair or missing legs, are you pleased with the way that you look?"


Except fat people have potentially more control over their looks than those of different races/ethnicities or those with handicaps. Potentially. They just have to put the bag of Cheetos down.
2013-01-24 09:50:09 AM
3 votes:
Wrong target. The people who should be shamed are the greedy farks who rake in monstrous amounts of dollars by selling unhealthy addictive feed to their herds of indentured custommers.
But you would have to destroy the "capitalist" neofeudal structure of power in murika to do that, so won't happen
2013-01-24 09:46:09 AM
3 votes:

IlGreven: Funny, the same people who laugh at the fatties also laugh at New York for banning extra large Cokes. Which is it?


Both. If you're fat because you can't stop yourself from gulping down 64 fluid ounces of soda every time you stop at a gas station or fast food joint it means you lack self-control. The government protecting you from yourself has also had the negative impact of preventing me (someone WITH self-control) from enjoying a large beverage purchased at a gas station for the duration of a road trip.
2013-01-24 09:39:57 AM
3 votes:
I lost 100 pounds this summer, so I'm getting a kick.
2013-01-24 09:37:54 AM
3 votes:
Eating a good diet also beats obesity..
2013-01-24 11:01:22 AM
2 votes:
Why can't people be nice?
2013-01-24 11:00:57 AM
2 votes:
This thread is reminding me that I said I wanted to make lemon pie soon. Might be time to go get the stuff for it.

The thing with obesity is that it has multiple causes. Between the emotional eating, the lack of knowledge, the genetic predispositions, the fact that the US has a major sweet tooth and loads shiat that in other parts of the world wouldn't have added sugars or corn syrup, a culture of dependency where people trade one addiction for another (I'm looking at you, dad. You quit drinking but eat chocolate ice cream to unhealthy extremes). All of this leads to issues with obesity. It isn't as simple as "eat less, move more" for most people. It's the WAY they eat and WHEN they eat and WHAT they eat and WHY they eat. It's a lack of understanding of their own bodies and metabolisms. Health classes are now optional in a lot of school districts, hell there weren't even home economics classes offered by the time I left high school. And cheap and easy isn't always healthy.

This isn't just a matter of "stop being fat, fatty", it has to do with the food culture in the US over all.
2013-01-24 10:43:53 AM
2 votes:
If shaming fat people worked there wouldn't be fat people.
2013-01-24 10:41:52 AM
2 votes:

maggoo: Oh, suck it up, will ya? Life is hard for everyone, and I bet your life is cozier than the one a lot of people have.


You seem very uneducated about what "mental illness" means.
2013-01-24 10:29:30 AM
2 votes:

WhippingBoy: I battled with weight issues for most of my life. When I was 32, I lost 100 pounds over the course of a year and a half.

You know what finally motivated me to lose the weight? I was in a restaurant with some friends and passed by a couple of attractive women. One of them looked me in the eye, looked down at my body, and said "eww, gross". That triggered something inside me; I was tired of being summarily rejected and shamed. Within a year and a half, I was 100 pounds lighter and no longer felt ashamed to be out in public.

So don't tell me that fat shaming doesn't work. It may not be the solution for everyone, but it certainly changed my life.


You need to go find that woman again, seduce her, woo her, get her to fall in love with you... then right before you stick it in, stand up and say "nah, I'd rather jerk off..." then walk out, after taking a dump on the floor.
2013-01-24 10:17:13 AM
2 votes:

radiumsoup: DuncanMhor: radiumsoup: it's largely worked for smoking, didn't it?

/taxing helped, but not very much.

No. Education, heavy taxes making them prohibitively expensive and banning the farking things almost everywhere worked for smoking.

This prick wants a moral justification for being a coont "its for their own good"

A stranger makes any "shaming" comments about my appearance uninvited will get a smack in the farking face, assuming I can catch the cowardly little fark.

"Banning them everywhere"... where do you think that came from, exactly? You're talking about social stigmas... in other words, society telling smokers that they're bad for lighting up in public. That's a very passive-aggressive way of shaming people into changing their behavior. Same for taxes (as much as they had an effect, which I still counter is less than what most people believe, especially those who never smoked.) You can't pass a tax that aims to change social behavior without broad public support for the social engineering aspect. Hell, for further evidence, you can't have a smoking thread on Fark without a dozen stories about how horrible people treat smokers for lighting up in public. At its core, it's a social shaming ritual, and it's more effective than anything else at getting kids to *never* smoke in the first place. All the old smokers die out, and the rest are shamed into thinking it's such a bad practice that they never start to begin with - that seems to be the goal, anyway.

This is not an observation on the fellow in the article, and I could care less about him. I'm observing that the underlying idea that social stigmas have an enormous impact on behavior is indeed very accurate.


They were banned everywhere because NON-smokers were getting lung cancer thank you very much. I'm sure that they'd ban eating in the work place if every time I ate a bag of M&Ms I took a dump in your mouth.
2013-01-24 10:13:18 AM
2 votes:

Thunderpipes: Queensowntalia: If weight issues are linked with mental issues, adding psychological attacks is only going to make the problem worse. I have struggled with both depression and my weight for years, and articles like these, and the resulting Fark "all fat people should go kill themselves" threads haven't motivated me to exercise, they've made me want to hurt myself and/or drink myself into a stupor. It's hard enough for me to leave the house to begin with. Please don't make it even harder.

So you are an average Farker?

What would you like, people to give you free pizza and say "well done!"? Sorry to sound harsh, but if you have the money to buy booze and eat so much and not leave the house, you have the money to go to a gym, hire a personal trainer and a shrink. I am reminded of the Simpsons's episode where Homer was in therapy like One Flew Over the Cookoo's Nest.


We're all products of our environments and genes. Apparently you got lucky that you were produced as "thin". But unlucky in being a callous, insensitive, holier than thou, fark head.
2013-01-24 10:09:24 AM
2 votes:
I battled with weight issues for most of my life. When I was 32, I lost 100 pounds over the course of a year and a half.

You know what finally motivated me to lose the weight? I was in a restaurant with some friends and passed by a couple of attractive women. One of them looked me in the eye, looked down at my body, and said "eww, gross". That triggered something inside me; I was tired of being summarily rejected and shamed. Within a year and a half, I was 100 pounds lighter and no longer felt ashamed to be out in public.

So don't tell me that fat shaming doesn't work. It may not be the solution for everyone, but it certainly changed my life.
2013-01-24 10:09:11 AM
2 votes:

MikeBoomshadow: So is assuming that every person you consider fat has complete control over their appearance, to say nothing of assuming you have any justification in making them feel bad about their appearance. And if doing so actually improves your mood--or self-esteem--then you just plain suck.


I refuse to believe that nearly a quarter of US Americans are obese beyond their own control.

I don't give a fark what they think their justification is, and no, I'm not going to get in their face about it. I will however happily sit back and judge the fark out of them for what appears to be the result of their own bad choices. fark em if they can't deal with it.
2013-01-24 10:07:04 AM
2 votes:
I have friends that are obese. Also obesity runs (walks) in my family. It really makes no difference to me. If you are comfortable with how you look and are fairly healthy then fine.

What annoys me are the people that themselves bring up their weight and proceed to make excuses. No you cannot only eat a can of tuna and an apple a day and be that heavy. No you are not big boned. No you are not a size 12.

I don't care about your weight but don't bring it up, then bs me and not expect me to call you on it because it is politically correct.
2013-01-24 10:06:08 AM
2 votes:
I'm a big fat guy. Shame doesn't do it. I know.
I already feel ashamed that I have to ask for a seatbelt extender on a flight.
I already feel ashamed that I can't run around with my kids in the yard for more than 3 seconds without getting exhausted.
I already feel ashamed that I take up more than one seat on the subway.
I already feel ashamed that I can't walk more than a couple of blocks without my back screaming "What the fark are you doing to me?"
I already feel ashamed that I can't walk into any clothing store and expect that they'll have something that will fit.

Smoking vs. Obesity: You don't have to smoke, you do have to eat. Declining rates for smoking are primarily due to keeping them away from kids until they're old enough to know better. Just like with smoking though, someone has to want to quit. If they don't want to quit, no amount of shame will improve the situation.

Which is why I don't think kids should be involved in religion until they're old enough to know better.
2013-01-24 10:00:20 AM
2 votes:

Vodka Zombie: Haven't we been shaming fat people for decades already?


I think once you reach a certain level of fat, you become invulnerable.

If you find yourself feeling entitled to a free scooter in every building you go to and are willing to take disability benefits for being fat, shame is an odd concept in your world.
2013-01-24 09:55:37 AM
2 votes:
I agree. When did it become okay to be a pig? It's unattractive and unhealthy.
2013-01-24 09:49:22 AM
2 votes:
Make being fat cost prohibitive. If the fatty wants healthcare he'll need to spend three times as much. If the fatty wants that extra large bucket of fried chicken it'll be $40. Simple economics. No shaming required.
2013-01-24 09:39:14 AM
2 votes:
Fat people don't have feelings.
2013-01-24 09:17:08 AM
2 votes:
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2013-01-24 07:32:40 PM
1 votes:

Halophilic: maggoo: I find it hard to believe that 64% of the US adult population has chromosomal abnormalities.

You need to find another scapegoat.

Maybe it's time we stop using a metric created by a 19th century Beligan not-doctor and gauge I don't know, actual health? "Overweight" on BMI is a joke.


Bmi is fine for most people. You don't have big bones, you don't have extra organs or blood, you are probably fat.

My brother can bench over 300 lbs at 175lbs and 5'6". Now that puts him at just barely overweight but it is farking obvious his muscle mass is the reason. I highly doubt that most of the people in the overweight range, much less obese, are body building studs. If you aren't hitting the gym every day and focusing on muscle you just aren't going to have the thirty+ pounds of extra muscle that gets you to obese. Yet I see people whose high school football muscle has rotted to fat trying to pretend they are still muscular and it is all the mean ole bmi chart's fault.
2013-01-24 06:52:50 PM
1 votes:

natas6.0: It seems mean,
but avoiding a truth
(yer disgustingly obese)
sems more like huggy-nannystate shiat.

Don't like it
lose weight
you'll be happier.
pinkie promise


It's just that I've never met an obese person who was not aware that he or she was obese and who did not hate themselves for it. I don't see how telling them that they are disgusting will do anything other than make me look like an ass.
2013-01-24 06:37:14 PM
1 votes:

Thunderpipes: Just another excuse, like alcohol addiction, heroin addiction, etc. Some people just stop doing it, because it is a choice. Sure, the body might go through withdrawal, so what? Happened to me plenty of times in my fun drinking stage.


Just shows you don't know what the heck you're talking about, or are deliberately misunderstanding the common definition. Alcohol addiction can be so bad that the addict can DIE if the withdrawal is sudden enough. Same with heroin.

At a certain point, you just decide to stop. How hard is that?

Simple enough. Especially with Alcohol, the rate of addiction varies. There's lots of people who never become addicted to it, but there's some that become addicted at the first drink(extreme outlier). By the sounds of it, you were never actually addicted.

Being fat, 99.999999% of the time is because people like to eat, and don't like to move. End of story.

You clearly don't understand the cravings my 177 pound self can undergo in my quest to get down to ~165(max of 190ish).

And our kids are fat because we don't kick their ass out of the house after Saturday morning cartoons and let them play all day, only coming back for lunch, dinner, and then bedtime.

It doesn't help that products today contain far more sugar, come in larger containers, and kids are being given high-sugar products earlier.
2013-01-24 06:06:34 PM
1 votes:
How about we fix gym class? Mine taught me nothing and our only exercise was track which did nothing but make people hate it.

The rest of the time it was lots of softball, kickball, or overcrowded basketball where nobody moved much.
2013-01-24 06:03:29 PM
1 votes:

Vodka Zombie: Haven't we been shaming fat people for decades already?


Yes. Don't we already have teenage girls developing eating disorders over fear of being fat?
2013-01-24 04:53:58 PM
1 votes:

Super_pope: This is so farking stupid. "Cookies make me feel good so I need them sometimes! Its a real problem!" No, it farking ISN'T. No matter how much you say it it won't be true. Severe alcoholics who quit drinking DIE sometimes from the DTs if they try to do it cold turkey. You don't have to be weaned off of your farking Oreos or risk stopping your heart.


Actually, doctors do recommend weening yourself off of sugar. Quitting cold turkey can cause complications like blood sugar and metabolism issues, cold sweats, jitters, headaches, etc. Sure, severe alcoholics can die from the DTs, and sugar addiction might not cause as severe symptoms as detoxing from booze or harder drugs, but there are effects. And it's effects can be enough to discourage people who aren't exactly emotionally ready to make a lifestyle change.
Ant
2013-01-24 03:17:26 PM
1 votes:

abhorrent1: Lots of white knights defending the fatties in here. Will you do the same for smokers? No? That's what I thought. Because smoking is a choice and being fat is not, right?


You don't need to smoke to live, dumbass. You do need to eat to live.

/I'll still defend your dumbass right to smoke though.
//ex-smoker
2013-01-24 03:06:14 PM
1 votes:

Thunderpipes: When you call someone healthy instead of hot, means that they are fat.


No it means they're healthy. Not the same thing. A person can be ugly and healthy.

Thunderpipes: Not to mention, that fat being young means really bad things later on. Younger people can be a little fat and not have cottage cheese, but that changes.


Well, sure. But the question of who's fat and who isn't is up for debate. I don't think that particular picture of Ms. Spears shows a fat person. It shows a healthy person-- not athletic, not overweight.
Ant
2013-01-24 02:53:13 PM
1 votes:

bighairyguy: He sounds like he wants to justify his need to be a bully.


This. Shaming fat people just makes people fat and depressed.
2013-01-24 02:49:51 PM
1 votes:

amquelbettamin: I call that overweight that seems less obvious due to the tan and bad breast augmentation. Flat and pale she'd look a bit porcine.


I strongly suspect you're in the minority. If most people looked at that, not knowing who it is or the trainwreck that she was at the time, I'd guess they'd call her healthy. Not athletic, not overweight... just healthy. There are no unreasonable fat deposits, very slight protrusion of the belly, slight spare tire, etc. Like I said, not athletic, not overweight. I wish I were that fat...
2013-01-24 02:47:36 PM
1 votes:
Fat people are fat by their own doing and nothing else. If they don't like being fat, they can change it. If they do, then I guess I don't care (since I like to drink and other things that are not healthy choices).

Prior picture of Ms. Spears is that of a mildly obese woman. My wife is thin and fit because she exercises. It's really not any more complicated than that.

/ cue thyroid excuse
2013-01-24 02:45:37 PM
1 votes:

Carth: Zelron: http://www.mirror.co.uk/lifestyle/health/sugar-addiction-how-to-cut-i t -out-1282617

"When first cutting down on sugar, you'll probably experience headaches and feel grumpy and lethargic for a few days.

But after a week you'll start to feel better and be amazed at how quickly your addiction fades. Here's how to do it painlessly but effectively."

Yea, that is too hard. it would be like a WHOLE WEEK of monday


You're making light of something deadlier and more addictive than heroine (according to the headline). For Shame!
2013-01-24 02:32:58 PM
1 votes:

Super_pope: Zelron: Super_pope: Severe alcoholics who quit drinking DIE sometimes from the DTs if they try to do it cold turkey. You don't have to be weaned off of your farking Oreos or risk stopping your heart.

Wow! You did it! I'm cured! You shamed me into it! I just dropped 225 pounds! You're awesome! I don't know why I didn't think of that. I don't need the cookie! I can eat only one! Wow! I don't know how to thank you! You should tell everyone that! It will FIX THE PROBLEM!!!! I am in awe! I just can't say it enough how thankful I am!

I wish you'd posted this years ago! It would have saved me so much money and trouble! Wow! Awesome! I can't get over it!

Who cares about you? I'm going to think what I'm going to think about you based on your appearance and if you're a spheroid it's going to be bad and the responses here indicate you're going to deserve it and be "powerless" to fix it. And by powerless I mean you are a grown up child with impulse control problems who aggrandizes your shiatty little non-issues. Billions of people walk by the freezer aisle in their grocery store and don't drown themselves in soft serve each and every day.

The rest of you might think you're in some way special and that you just can't help it, and in a way I suppose that's true. You are special in that you're what we call, "pussies." You can't tolerate the slightest most trivial discomfort or delay in immediate gratification, regardless of how bad it is for you or how deep you've already dug the hole by packing yourself to bursting with anything that looked like it might POSSIBLY contain sugar in order to hold your bad feelings at bay for another few seconds.


Have you ever quit a drug addiction?

That is what many obese people have to overcome to begin reasonable weight loss. It's not easy or trivial. Relapses are real and cold-turkey is not an option.
2013-01-24 02:28:09 PM
1 votes:

Zelron: Super_pope: Severe alcoholics who quit drinking DIE sometimes from the DTs if they try to do it cold turkey. You don't have to be weaned off of your farking Oreos or risk stopping your heart.

Wow! You did it! I'm cured! You shamed me into it! I just dropped 225 pounds! You're awesome! I don't know why I didn't think of that. I don't need the cookie! I can eat only one! Wow! I don't know how to thank you! You should tell everyone that! It will FIX THE PROBLEM!!!! I am in awe! I just can't say it enough how thankful I am!

I wish you'd posted this years ago! It would have saved me so much money and trouble! Wow! Awesome! I can't get over it!


Who cares about you? I'm going to think what I'm going to think about you based on your appearance and if you're a spheroid it's going to be bad and the responses here indicate you're going to deserve it and be "powerless" to fix it. And by powerless I mean you are a grown up child with impulse control problems who aggrandizes your shiatty little non-issues. Billions of people walk by the freezer aisle in their grocery store and don't drown themselves in soft serve each and every day.

The rest of you might think you're in some way special and that you just can't help it, and in a way I suppose that's true. You are special in that you're what we call, "pussies." You can't tolerate the slightest most trivial discomfort or delay in immediate gratification, regardless of how bad it is for you or how deep you've already dug the hole by packing yourself to bursting with anything that looked like it might POSSIBLY contain sugar in order to hold your bad feelings at bay for another few seconds.
2013-01-24 01:42:52 PM
1 votes:
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i like scooters
2013-01-24 01:04:16 PM
1 votes:

Wayne 985: As a former fat person, I beg to differ. I got in shape because I convinced myself of the positives. People making fun of me only made me want to withdraw and eat even more.


Ditto. I'm about halfway through my weight loss. Lost about 55, have ~45 or so to go. I don't give a damn about people's comments. I do care about having trouble standing up after spending some time installing a server rack at work. So, I'm fixing it.
2013-01-24 12:59:31 PM
1 votes:

Super_pope: You are not chemically dependent. You do not get the shakes if you only liquify one bag of gummy bears before injecting them into your ass because you already have too many rainbow colored track marks on your arms. You are fighting a learned behavior that you have conditioned yourself to "want" to do. The only thing you are "struggling" with is the routine you have created for yourself.


To an extent you are chemically dependent (please note this does not apply to all overweight or obese people, I'm not trying to make generalizations). If food is what makes you feel better, it's because the sugar and the starchy foods are causing your body to produce things like serotonin. Can exercise give people a high? Yes. But if you're overeating due to emotional strain, the sugar will give you the immediate high you're looking for.
2013-01-24 12:56:53 PM
1 votes:
I can't imagine public shaming would work for the majority of people - everyone I know who is overweight is by FAR their own worst critic. Oh, and being rude to people on purpose....you should be ashamed of yourselves. Isn't the world a tough enough place without going out of your way to be unkind to people?

I come from a family of people who struggle with their weight (hell, my immediate family is all losing that battle). None of them blame anything/anyone but themselves. My motivation to never get that far is pretty strong: watching someone try to lose half their body weight is pretty excruciating if you care for them.

/love eating, don't want to get fat or become diabetic (also runs in the family)
//easier to stay thinner/lighter than to lose weight
///no gym membership at the moment, so I have nowhere to be in 26 minutes
2013-01-24 12:38:11 PM
1 votes:

santadog: There are NO lazy skinny people.


Bull. shiat.
2013-01-24 12:19:55 PM
1 votes:

Super_pope: The negative feedback of everyone laughing at lil'chunk for having just one more cupcake every lunch will keep most of them in line.


Yeah, because no one's doing that to them now. Sure. See, in the past, that whole "or die trying" is an option when you add shame to it. Some actually kill themselves. But, of course, that's probably acceptable to you, as well.

What is wrong with you?

treesloth: So they want to take a group of people that deals with shame and emotional upset by eating... and shame them and cause them emotional upset? To get them to stop eating? This sounds like "fark nymphos until they stop being nymphos". Brilliant!


Because it's worked so well in the past. Tell me, what colored symbol will obese people be required to sew to their clothing to ensure that no one treats them as though they belong? I mean, hell, we've used everything from scarlet "A"s to gold six-pointed stars - I'm sure there's a brightly colored symbol that still remains which can be used to brand fat people as "not one of us".

It amazes me how many assholes there still are in the world happy to pick up the first rock.
2013-01-24 12:01:45 PM
1 votes:

nickerj1: Halophilic: maggoo: I find it hard to believe that 64% of the US adult population has chromosomal abnormalities.

You need to find another scapegoat.

Maybe it's time we stop using a metric created by a 19th century Beligan not-doctor and gauge I don't know, actual health? "Overweight" on BMI is a joke.

I came to say this. I can't take you seriously when you cite an article that uses BMI.

I agree for more health care costs for unhealthy fat people, as someone else suggested. They do add a lot of costs to the health care industry. However, current mainstream methods for determining whether someone is healthy (ie, giving them a label of "overweight", "obese", "uber obese") based solely on number values of their height and weight is absolutely ludicrous.

Anyone who works out a lot, is military/police, or an athlete will tell you how absurd BMI is. It's completely inaccurate for people of muscular builds.

For instance, this man: Link
[www1.cdn.sherdog.com image 200x300]

Is on the edge of the "obese" rating for BMI. Is that man obese? No. Is he healthy? Yes.

If you do anything related to increasing costs, etc, for the fat people, you had better do it based on a doctor's assessment, a physical test, or something other than BMI, like body fat percentage.

It's the same as BAC, really, which also doesn't account for some types of people to accurately represent whether they're impaired, but that's a story for another day.


Your claim that just because BMI doesn't work for a pro athelete means it should never be used is pretty good grounds for no one taking you seriously. For 99% of the population it works just fine. The people who need to hear about their BMI are not pro atheletes.
2013-01-24 12:01:04 PM
1 votes:
Telling a fat person that they are disgusting and fat will accomplish nothing, save depressing the ones who already suffer from depression, sending them into a self-medicating binge. A lot of these people need mental health care, considering that several studies have indicated that the brain responds to fat and sugar much the way it responds to heroine.

Also, the fat itself isn't the problem; it's the lifestyle that generates fat people. There are some plump folks who are still pretty healthy, and likewise some skinny people who are in terrible shape. Society needs to focus on encouraging and rewarding good behavior rather than shaming people who already feel pretty shiatty about themselves.
2013-01-24 11:47:29 AM
1 votes:
I consider myself fortunate that my many vices cannot be perceived by others at a glance. If I gained weight for every beer I drank or hour I spent on the internet or cigarette I smoked, I'd be as large as they come. As it happens, I am not. I am fortunate enough that my vices have not manifested themselves in form of obesity. If all vices resulted in obesity you would not encounter skinny people.
2013-01-24 11:45:30 AM
1 votes:
If I have to choose between a society of fat people and a society of bullying, I think I'm more okay with fat people.
2013-01-24 11:29:29 AM
1 votes:

santadog: There are NO lazy skinny people.


There are but bigots are pretty stupid and need clear, visual targets in order to discriminate properly (skin color, gender, big yellow star on your chest).
2013-01-24 11:26:12 AM
1 votes:
and EEEEEVRYONE makes fun of the little guy in New York . . . NO you can't drink a hogs head of crappy corn syrup water NO.

We could just tell the factory to stop putting CRAP into our food but that would interfere with stock prices and dividends.
If it's good food then it's expensive.
If it's good food then you don't need or WANT to eat a metric ass load of it every time you sit down.

Hey! Look! DIABETUS- is on the decline!
Heart Surgeons can't make payments on the house in TAOS
Hey Look! You actually out lived your parents!

If you really want a wake up, look at a documentary from the 1970's that has crowd shots
Not a fat person in them nevermind an obese person.
Here, it takes a minute or so but towards the end there's a lot of crowd shots-

Link

aint no fatty's there -
Watch it - no really - WATCH IT! WATCH IT NOW!!
It's the food fool, it's the food.
2013-01-24 11:21:35 AM
1 votes:
Yes because obese people have such high self-esteem.

Perhaps we should try this pressure on bioethicists in the hopes that they will find a more useful career path?
2013-01-24 11:06:01 AM
1 votes:
There are NO lazy skinny people.
2013-01-24 11:03:42 AM
1 votes:

cowsspinach: Why can't people be nice?


Why can't people take responsibility for their own feelings?
2013-01-24 11:02:19 AM
1 votes:

Expolaris: I said close to 200 miles recorded on my NikePlus Running app, i should be hitting that in the next few weeks. Love this app, it's been a great tool for me to really see how my times have gone from barely being able to walk a 22 minute mile to hitting close to a 10 minute mile.
/motivated


People should be walking 2 miles per day.

Congrats on your total, but I am arguing it should be much higher.

running 200 miles, asusming 400 lbs, and 10 mph is 1200 hours so ~65,280 calories.

I suppose that would amount to -627 calories per week which is pretty good. It also amounts to less than two miles run per week, which seems bad.

There is probably plenty of other activity not accounted for.
2013-01-24 10:56:03 AM
1 votes:

LineNoise: bighairyguy: He sounds like he wants to justify his need to be a bully.

So pointing out to someone, an adult nonetheless, that they live an unhealthy lifestyle now counts as bullying?

If you are over the age of 15 and are complaining about being bullied, you probably have it coming.


I have no doubt that most of the same people who shake their tiny fists in impotent rage at Bloomberg for his ban on gigantic sodas and at Michelle Obama for encouraging people to eat a farking salad now and then, will also wholly support shaming fat people.
2013-01-24 10:55:13 AM
1 votes:

ph0rk: Expolaris: 2 years later, close to 200 miles of walking, then jogging, and now running and i'm down 130 lbs (and still going), have a happy and successful career, and have met a woman who has also lost over 100lbs. We are Team Healthy.

200 miles in 2 years? His math must be wrong or he has tapeworms.


Looks like it's time to put my money where my mouth is.

i45.tinypic.com

I said close to 200 miles recorded on my NikePlus Running app, i should be hitting that in the next few weeks. Love this app, it's been a great tool for me to really see how my times have gone from barely being able to walk a 22 minute mile to hitting close to a 10 minute mile.
/motivated
2013-01-24 10:51:37 AM
1 votes:

ph0rk: stonicus: That same comment from her could have also been the push that made someone go home and kill themselves. She got lucky. Her unsolicited comment to you was reckless and dangerous

Don't want unsolicited comments? Don't go out in public.


Don't want a slap? Don't make impolite unsolicited comments.
2013-01-24 10:48:01 AM
1 votes:

stonicus: WhippingBoy: stonicus: WhippingBoy: I battled with weight issues for most of my life. When I was 32, I lost 100 pounds over the course of a year and a half.

You know what finally motivated me to lose the weight? I was in a restaurant with some friends and passed by a couple of attractive women. One of them looked me in the eye, looked down at my body, and said "eww, gross". That triggered something inside me; I was tired of being summarily rejected and shamed. Within a year and a half, I was 100 pounds lighter and no longer felt ashamed to be out in public.

So don't tell me that fat shaming doesn't work. It may not be the solution for everyone, but it certainly changed my life.

You need to go find that woman again, seduce her, woo her, get her to fall in love with you... then right before you stick it in, stand up and say "nah, I'd rather jerk off..." then walk out, after taking a dump on the floor.

Why would I do that? In retrospect, she did me a huge favour.

That same comment from her could have also been the push that made someone go home and kill themselves. She got lucky. Her unsolicited comment to you was reckless and dangerous


Oh Christ, how old are you??? You may not have noticed, but the world isn't all puppies and rainbows. If your goal is to stop people from being "mean", good luck to you, you're going to need it.
2013-01-24 10:46:39 AM
1 votes:

Halophilic: maggoo: I find it hard to believe that 64% of the US adult population has chromosomal abnormalities.

You need to find another scapegoat.

Maybe it's time we stop using a metric created by a 19th century Beligan not-doctor and gauge I don't know, actual health? "Overweight" on BMI is a joke.


I think if we measured "actual health" the rate would be even worst. There are plenty of thin people who can't do basic things like "Run a 5k, squat their body weight, touch their toes" that don't put on weight because they eat right.
2013-01-24 10:39:01 AM
1 votes:
Smoking is not the same as being obese. You can live without a cigarette, you cannot live without eating.

If obesity is such a drain on the insurance industry then why don't insurance companies cover programs and options to reach a healthy weight? Instead they'd rather pay for diabetes medication and supplies and hypertension meds and liver transplants and whatever else is lumped into the "caused by obesity" category.

Set up these shaming programs and we are one step closer to including overwieght persons as a protected class.
2013-01-24 10:38:56 AM
1 votes:
The only way to get anyone to do anything is to make them want to do it. You certainly can make someone want to lose weight by embarrassing them on a daily basis so that they will want to end the embarrassment. However it's much easier to show them how much better their life would be if they were fit. The first and normal response to criticism is defensiveness. The first and normal response to something better is to want it.
2013-01-24 10:37:15 AM
1 votes:

Queensowntalia: steamingpile: Queensowntalia: If weight issues are linked with mental issues, adding psychological attacks is only going to make the problem worse. I have struggled with both depression and my weight for years, and articles like these, and the resulting Fark "all fat people should go kill themselves" threads haven't motivated me to exercise, they've made me want to hurt myself and/or drink myself into a stupor. It's hard enough for me to leave the house to begin with. Please don't make it even harder.

Then we set up extra large suicide booths for fat asses to take care of themselves, problem solved.

Your depression is driven partly by a self image issue if you can't fix that then there is no hope for you, getting out of the house has nothing to do with it, you are on the internet and there are a shiat ton of sites of workouts you can do at home. Expercise also releases endorphins to make you feel better so its win-win, bottom line is just exercise anywhere you can and quit making excuses.

Thank goodness I have a shrink appointment today, because your comment doesn't make me feel motivated, it makes me want to die (apparently thats A-OK, though).

Getting out of the house has everything to do with it. I have to, to get to work, to buy groceries, to live my life. leaving is made more difficult by constantly feeling humiliated. I can't magically stay locked in my condo until I'm thin. That's not how it works. :P

I don't know why I'm in this thread. They always end the same for me, crying at my desk and wishing I were home getting drunk.


Honey, don' listen to them. I enjoy farkers, but surely you've noticed that many of them have nothing nice to say about most women. And there are several that always seem to come to the defense, but either way, please don't give a damn about what ANYONE thinks or says about you. Go get the book "The Four Agreements". NOW.
2013-01-24 10:36:41 AM
1 votes:

maggoo: If you are fat then shut your mouth once in a while.


If stupid people would do the same thing, the world would be a much more pleasant place.
2013-01-24 10:30:01 AM
1 votes:

littlett's: I'm not sure that they even qualify to be called people.


People as in multiple persons? I think airlines treat them that way, as in charge them as such.

Anyways, encouragement to those who are self conscience. Yeah the odds are stacked against you, but you have learn to like the things that help. I love sprinting. It's always helped me with weight/staying in shape, but I haven't been able to do it for 2 years now due to reoccurring knee injuries/surgeries. Whats worked for me is learning to like cooking healthy on the cheap (the web is farking great for this) and doing what I can in the weight room (twice a week isn't bad and pf is $10 a month). Once I found out that I liked to cook it became easy. Also cutting down on beer and switching to hard alc helped. Found out I like Jameson and there is a substantial calorie difference over time between the two.

There is one absolute rule , no more soda.

There are many ways to lose weight, so just try them and find out what you like. Once your attitude is positive, its so much easier to do it and keep doing it.
2013-01-24 10:28:42 AM
1 votes:

Thunderpipes: santadog: It's the sugar in everything, and it's processed food.  The country is addicted.  I was fat all my life, and ballooned over the last couple winters.  Last April I hopped on a scale after not paying attention for a couple years, and saw 261lbs.  Decided to watch some food documentaries, and viewed "Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead".  Inspiration.  The premiss: Consume nothing but fruit and veggie juices you make at home, tons of flavor recipes that are good, and because you taking in straight up nutrients and little fiber, your digestion takes a break with energy working elsewere, your body burns up a lot of fat, and you reboot your system and break the addiction of sugar, fried stuff, and too much meat.

I tried a 10 day fast.  By day 7 I knew I could do 30.   May, August, and October I did 30 day fasts, lost 100 pounds, no longer crave sugar, or any other of the bad crap.  I now cook "regular" meals, more plant based than meat, and have not only kept the weight off, and changed the way I look at food, but I also lost another 10 pounds since October bringing me down to my goal weight.  Rebooted my body.  Broke the addiction of sugar.  And, once I started it.. it was THE EASIEST THING.

Has nothing to do with lazy.  Yes, there can be underlying crap, but it's amplified by the sugar addiction, just like it would be amplified by alcohol.

/CSS

It has everything to do with lazy. Food was worse when I was a kid. Kids were three times less likely to be obese. Blame someone else? Imagine that.

You will regain your weight. Gimmick dieting is no substitute for working your butt off, sweating, lifting weights, running, and relatively normal eating. Sugar addiction. What is next?


www.mattfurey.com
2013-01-24 10:27:02 AM
1 votes:

Thunderpipes: We should step up the shame if anything.

Have a nationwide campaign of shame. We should. Obesity is killing us, and killing our kids. In one generation (maybe two) kids have tripled in obesity rates. The reasons are very simple. Kids don't play enough. They turn into adults who don't play enough. It is not soda, or McDonalds, or anything else. We had worse food when I was a kid. But you could eat 4 hamburgers, then play for 8 hours and still be skinny.

Being fat is not a disease, not a mental condition. It is just being lazy and unmotivated. So shame the crap out of kids from a young age. Sure, you might lose a couple in the process, but you would lose them anyway to fat health problems.


So everyone has the same metabolism. Brilliant. Not everyone can eat four hamburgers and play for 8 hours and stay skinny. Let's assume that we're lazy and unmotivated. Well, no matter how much you try to shame me, I'll still be lazy and unmotivated. I'll just hate you for being a douchebag.
2013-01-24 10:26:28 AM
1 votes:

Jumpin Jbot: I'm all on board for shaming fat people just as long as we're on board for shaming people about drinking alcohol.

I've lost friends to violent drunks and drunk drivers but never to anyone eating a hamburger or driving while fat.


Being fat doesn't normally make for good times and getting laid. Booze does. Booze even allows fat chicks and ugly guys to have sex. Hamburgers don't.
2013-01-24 10:23:39 AM
1 votes:

alephtau: Wrong target. The people who should be shamed are the greedy farks who rake in monstrous amounts of dollars by selling unhealthy addictive feed to their herds of indentured custommers.
But you would have to destroy the "capitalist" neofeudal structure of power in murika to do that, so won't happen


If even for just one day nobody bought a single Coke or Pepsi or went to McDonalds or bought a bunch of unhealthy crap at Target or Wal-Mart, our economy would absolutely collapse. Our financial and economic system demands and depends on people to make horribly bad choices.
2013-01-24 10:16:31 AM
1 votes:

someonelse: Rootus: I love fattie threads. I suspect that, much like GOP homophobes, the folks who scream the loudest are in fact the fattest.

I always suspect that the ones who do the most vehement fat-shaming are borderline fat themselves, and are engaging in a weird combination of denial, self-loathing, and deflection. Basically, middle school.


I will take into consideration the things you say about fat people, but I will NOT allow you to suggest that denizens of Fark are immature and puerile. This is the Internet. This is Fark. This is Serious Business.
2013-01-24 10:15:09 AM
1 votes:
We should step up the shame if anything.

Have a nationwide campaign of shame. We should. Obesity is killing us, and killing our kids. In one generation (maybe two) kids have tripled in obesity rates. The reasons are very simple. Kids don't play enough. They turn into adults who don't play enough. It is not soda, or McDonalds, or anything else. We had worse food when I was a kid. But you could eat 4 hamburgers, then play for 8 hours and still be skinny.

Being fat is not a disease, not a mental condition. It is just being lazy and unmotivated. So shame the crap out of kids from a young age. Sure, you might lose a couple in the process, but you would lose them anyway to fat health problems.
2013-01-24 10:15:02 AM
1 votes:

WhippingBoy: passed by a couple of attractive coonty women.

2013-01-24 10:14:43 AM
1 votes:

Thunderpipes: MikeBoomshadow: Thunderpipes: WTF Indeed: Make being fat cost prohibitive. If the fatty wants healthcare he'll need to spend three times as much. If the fatty wants that extra large bucket of fried chicken it'll be $40. Simple economics. No shaming required.

We should.

We make being successful cost prohibitive, being male, being white, why not fat? They pay more for life insurance, why not health insurance?

Maybe you dems can make universal life insurance the next big thing? That would be a hoot.

Speaking as a white male, how has my ethnicity become more cost prohibitive? The fact is, I'm actually a fair amount better off than I was four years ago, and can easily see improved earning potential in my field over the next four--and that's after taxes.

UIh huh, sure. How was your White only scholarship or your affirmative action promotion?

Want to see the real fun? In 2040 or so, when white people are the minority, do you really think Democrats will be there defending the white man? Slavery will probably be made legal again. Your kids will suffer, but you don't care, because free stuff! Yay!


Yeah that's what's going to happen. Definitely...

I don't agree with shaming in the sense of being rude to strangers, but I do think the whole Fat Acceptance-Tumblr Social Justice Brigade has got out of control with terminology.
Your doctor telling you to lose weight because you're destroying your knees is not fat-shaming. Your friends NOT ordering dessert is not fat shaming, you're just self centered and think everything other people do is about you.

As for "Thin privilege"? Give me a break.
2013-01-24 10:13:55 AM
1 votes:

Rootus: I love fattie threads. I suspect that, much like GOP homophobes, the folks who scream the loudest are in fact the fattest.


I always suspect that the ones who do the most vehement fat-shaming are borderline fat themselves, and are engaging in a weird combination of denial, self-loathing, and deflection. Basically, middle school.
2013-01-24 10:11:31 AM
1 votes:

ph0rk: By that same token, the dude (or dudette) in the wheelchair might be there because of their own stupidity, too.


They might, and if I thought for a second that shaming them would help them grow a new pair of legs, I'd give it a shot.
2013-01-24 10:09:30 AM
1 votes:

alephtau: Wrong target. The people who should be shamed are the greedy farks who rake in monstrous amounts of dollars by selling unhealthy addictive feed to their herds of indentured custommers.
But you would have to destroy the "capitalist" neofeudal structure of power in murika to do that, so won't happen


So instead of blaming the fat farks who eat it you blame those who make it but then this is the era when personal responsibility is out the window.

"Oh I wouldn't be a 300lb behemoth if those evil companies hadn't forced their products down my throat"

God you people are stupid.
2013-01-24 10:06:40 AM
1 votes:

WhippingBoy: ph0rk: WhippingBoy: hbk72777: "If you are overweight or obese, are you pleased with the way that you look?"


This is great, let's line the streets with posters demeaning everyone

"If you are black or dark brown, are you pleased with the way that you look?"

"If you are Jewish or have a big honker, are you pleased with the way that you look?"

"If you are in a wheelchair or missing legs, are you pleased with the way that you look?"

"One of these things is not like the others,
One of these things just doesn't belong,
Can you tell which thing is not like the others
By the time I finish my song?"

So every morbidly obese person has zero control over that state?

I'm perfectly ok with those with confirmable disorders that lead to obesity being recognized as such, but in the absence of such a disorder, I don't see a problem with expecting the individual to be held accountable.

Yes, that was my point. You have no control of being jewish or black or missing your legs, but you do have control over your own body (in the fast majority of cases). Comparing a morbidly obese person to a black person is intellectually dishonest.


So is assuming that every person you consider fat has complete control over their appearance, to say nothing of assuming you have any justification in making them feel bad about their appearance. And if doing so actually improves your mood--or self-esteem--then you just plain suck.
2013-01-24 10:03:35 AM
1 votes:

abhorrent1: I agree. When did it become okay to be a pig? It's unattractive and unhealthy.


The same instant it became okay to be an assclown and be mean to people because you don't like how they look.

I'd rather hang with my fat buddies than with a jerk like you. Admittedly, some of them make me look thinner by comparison, but still.

Tell you what: I'll eat a salad. You eat a bag of dicks.
2013-01-24 09:58:58 AM
1 votes:

MikeBoomshadow: Carth: The Angry Hand of God: I assume it is also OK to punch an asshole in the face for not minding their own damn business, correct?

Sure, but since obesity adds around 190 billion a year to health care costs making sure fat people lose weight is everyone's business.

And how much does depression and other psychological disorders add?

Plus, when this guy inevitably runs across a fat person he shouldn't have bullied, how much does reconstructive orthodontic surgery add?

/we fatties can throw a punch
//usually only one
///already feeling a bit winded
////virgules


Far less. Depression costs are less than 90 billion. Yes, some obesity is linked to mental illness but far more often it is people don't know how to eat healthy or just don't want to exercise.
2013-01-24 09:58:24 AM
1 votes:

xanadian: WTF Indeed: Make being fat cost prohibitive. If the fatty wants healthcare he'll need to spend three times as much. If the fatty wants that extra large bucket of fried chicken it'll be $40. Simple economics. No shaming required.

It works for cigarette smoking...


Not sure if serious.
The only people I know who buy cigarettes are the ones that can't afford it.
2013-01-24 09:56:42 AM
1 votes:

hbk72777: "If you are overweight or obese, are you pleased with the way that you look?"


This is great, let's line the streets with posters demeaning everyone

"If you are black or dark brown, are you pleased with the way that you look?"

"If you are Jewish or have a big honker, are you pleased with the way that you look?"

"If you are in a wheelchair or missing legs, are you pleased with the way that you look?"


"One of these things is not like the others,
One of these things just doesn't belong,
Can you tell which thing is not like the others
By the time I finish my song?"
2013-01-24 09:56:21 AM
1 votes:

Queensowntalia: If weight issues are linked with mental issues, adding psychological attacks is only going to make the problem worse. I have struggled with both depression and my weight for years, and articles like these, and the resulting Fark "all fat people should go kill themselves" threads haven't motivated me to exercise, they've made me want to hurt myself and/or drink myself into a stupor. It's hard enough for me to leave the house to begin with. Please don't make it even harder.


So you are an average Farker?

What would you like, people to give you free pizza and say "well done!"? Sorry to sound harsh, but if you have the money to buy booze and eat so much and not leave the house, you have the money to go to a gym, hire a personal trainer and a shrink. I am reminded of the Simpsons's episode where Homer was in therapy like One Flew Over the Cookoo's Nest.
2013-01-24 09:55:05 AM
1 votes:

Thunderpipes: We should.

We make being successful cost prohibitive, being male, being white, why not fat? They pay more for life insurance, why not health insurance?

Maybe you dems can make universal life insurance the next big thing? That would be a hoot.


This is fat thread, the retarded comments thread is somewhere else.
2013-01-24 09:54:00 AM
1 votes:

LineNoise: So pointing out to someone, an adult nonetheless, that they live an unhealthy lifestyle now counts as bullying?


Yes. Didn't you get the memo? You're not allowed to make anyone feel bad about themselves for their obvious bad choices and lack of responsibility.
2013-01-24 09:53:30 AM
1 votes:

Carth: The Angry Hand of God: I assume it is also OK to punch an asshole in the face for not minding their own damn business, correct?

Sure, but since obesity adds around 190 billion a year to health care costs making sure fat people lose weight is everyone's business.


And how much does depression and other psychological disorders add?

Plus, when this guy inevitably runs across a fat person he shouldn't have bullied, how much does reconstructive orthodontic surgery add?

/we fatties can throw a punch
//usually only one
///already feeling a bit winded
////virgules
2013-01-24 09:53:12 AM
1 votes:

Diogenes: WhiskeyBoy: IlGreven: Funny, the same people who laugh at the fatties also laugh at New York for banning extra large Cokes. Which is it?

Both. If you're fat because you can't stop yourself from gulping down 64 fluid ounces of soda every time you stop at a gas station or fast food joint it means you lack self-control. The government protecting you from yourself has also had the negative impact of preventing me (someone WITH self-control) from enjoying a large beverage purchased at a gas station for the duration of a road trip.

Excellent point.  And to bring it back to obesity, it's a complex disorder that can't be solved with something as blunt and general as shaming.


And there are genetic conditions that either make people more prone to being fat, or outright can't help it. A lot of those chromosomal abnormalities can cause it (i.e. Angelman syndrome).
2013-01-24 09:53:04 AM
1 votes:

WTF Indeed: Make being fat cost prohibitive. If the fatty wants healthcare he'll need to spend three times as much. If the fatty wants that extra large bucket of fried chicken it'll be $40. Simple economics. No shaming required.


We should.

We make being successful cost prohibitive, being male, being white, why not fat? They pay more for life insurance, why not health insurance?

Maybe you dems can make universal life insurance the next big thing? That would be a hoot.
2013-01-24 09:52:26 AM
1 votes:
Oooh fatty thread!

off to find some pork rinds
2013-01-24 09:47:18 AM
1 votes:
Bullying works. Always has. It is an evolutionary instinct. Taking it away just makes losers not want to improve.
2013-01-24 09:46:55 AM
1 votes:
Bullying people, how's that working for society? BioEthicist forgot their ethics.
2013-01-24 09:45:02 AM
1 votes:

The Angry Hand of God: I assume it is also OK to punch an asshole in the face for not minding their own damn business, correct?


Sure, but since obesity adds around 190 billion a year to health care costs making sure fat people lose weight is everyone's business.
2013-01-24 09:43:30 AM
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it's largely worked for smoking, didn't it?

/taxing helped, but not very much.
2013-01-24 09:43:09 AM
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Shaming works well. That's why you don't see any retards anymore.
2013-01-24 09:42:15 AM
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Plus if you were raising fat people, I think free range is really the economical way to go. Why bother with fences and cages and such. What are they going to do? run away?
2013-01-24 09:41:38 AM
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This will go far in our "everyone gets a trophy" society.
2013-01-24 09:40:11 AM
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Whatever "ethicist" might have once meant, in recent decades it has come to mean "dope -- with no common sense".
2013-01-24 09:38:00 AM
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bighairyguy: He sounds like he wants to justify his need to be a bully.


I feel I need to redeem myself from my earlier snark to say "THIS."
2013-01-24 09:28:54 AM
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Diogenes: Vodka Zombie: Haven't we been shaming fat people for decades already?

Oh quit your whining and put the Twinkie down, Jabba.


LOL!

Kinda walked waddled into that one, didn't I?
 
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