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2013-01-24 06:08:50 PM  

radiumsoup: it's largely worked for smoking, didn't it?

/taxing helped, but not very much.


That's because there was a shift in society from accepting smoking (ala Mad Men) to seeing it as something bad. Fat people have always been ridiculed.
 
2013-01-24 06:10:34 PM  

kroonermanblack: Being fat? 95% of the time it's a choice.


You spelled "100%" wrong.
 
2013-01-24 06:20:28 PM  

Graffito: Yes. Don't we already have teenage girls developing eating disorders over fear of being fat?


why can't they be normal like everyone else?

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2013-01-24 06:21:55 PM  

FarkinHostile: kroonermanblack: Being fat? 95% of the time it's a choice.

You spelled "100%" wrong.


free will is an illusion, it's a scientific FACT

stop blaming the victims
 
2013-01-24 06:22:13 PM  

abhorrent1: Lots of white knights defending the fatties in here. Will you do the same for smokers? No? That's what I thought. Because smoking is a choice and being fat is not, right?


No, because smokers are pure evil.
 
2013-01-24 06:30:19 PM  

I drunk what: FarkinHostile: kroonermanblack: Being fat? 95% of the time it's a choice.

You spelled "100%" wrong.

free will is an illusion, it's a scientific FACT

stop blaming the victims



I have no choice. This is the way god made me.
 
2013-01-24 06:34:21 PM  
So where are the Adele pics?
 
2013-01-24 06:37:14 PM  

Thunderpipes: Just another excuse, like alcohol addiction, heroin addiction, etc. Some people just stop doing it, because it is a choice. Sure, the body might go through withdrawal, so what? Happened to me plenty of times in my fun drinking stage.


Just shows you don't know what the heck you're talking about, or are deliberately misunderstanding the common definition. Alcohol addiction can be so bad that the addict can DIE if the withdrawal is sudden enough. Same with heroin.

At a certain point, you just decide to stop. How hard is that?

Simple enough. Especially with Alcohol, the rate of addiction varies. There's lots of people who never become addicted to it, but there's some that become addicted at the first drink(extreme outlier). By the sounds of it, you were never actually addicted.

Being fat, 99.999999% of the time is because people like to eat, and don't like to move. End of story.

You clearly don't understand the cravings my 177 pound self can undergo in my quest to get down to ~165(max of 190ish).

And our kids are fat because we don't kick their ass out of the house after Saturday morning cartoons and let them play all day, only coming back for lunch, dinner, and then bedtime.

It doesn't help that products today contain far more sugar, come in larger containers, and kids are being given high-sugar products earlier.
 
2013-01-24 06:52:50 PM  

natas6.0: It seems mean,
but avoiding a truth
(yer disgustingly obese)
sems more like huggy-nannystate shiat.

Don't like it
lose weight
you'll be happier.
pinkie promise


It's just that I've never met an obese person who was not aware that he or she was obese and who did not hate themselves for it. I don't see how telling them that they are disgusting will do anything other than make me look like an ass.
 
2013-01-24 07:09:14 PM  

Graffito: natas6.0: It seems mean,
but avoiding a truth
(yer disgustingly obese)
sems more like huggy-nannystate shiat.

Don't like it
lose weight
you'll be happier.
pinkie promise

It's just that I've never met an obese person who was not aware that he or she was obese and who did not hate themselves for it. I don't see how telling them that they are disgusting will do anything other than make me look like an ass.


Sugar is a drug. Ban sugar!
 
2013-01-24 07:15:58 PM  

Zelron: I'm a big fat guy. Shame doesn't do it. I know.
I already feel ashamed that I have to ask for a seatbelt extender on a flight.
I already feel ashamed that I can't run around with my kids in the yard for more than 3 seconds without getting exhausted.
I already feel ashamed that I take up more than one seat on the subway.
I already feel ashamed that I can't walk more than a couple of blocks without my back screaming "What the fark are you doing to me?"
I already feel ashamed that I can't walk into any clothing store and expect that they'll have something that will fit.

Smoking vs. Obesity: You don't have to smoke, you do have to eat. Declining rates for smoking are primarily due to keeping them away from kids until they're old enough to know better. Just like with smoking though, someone has to want to quit. If they don't want to quit, no amount of shame will improve the situation.

Which is why I don't think kids should be involved in religion until they're old enough to know better.


Managung a nicotine addiction, for me at least, is a thousand times easier than watching my weight.

I can now take or leave cigarettes though I sometimes partake while drinking.

Food otoh... Nobody goes outside to snack. They do it right next to you. Food is everywhere. In every tv show, snacks on every street corner. And you cannot go cold turkey. Plus alcohol has calories so now dieting means reduced social life too.

I'm skipping the superbowl party this year because I am going strong and want to stay on the wagon.
 
2013-01-24 07:16:55 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Thunderpipes: santadog: It's the sugar in everything, and it's processed food.  The country is addicted.  I was fat all my life, and ballooned over the last couple winters.  Last April I hopped on a scale after not paying attention for a couple years, and saw 261lbs.  Decided to watch some food documentaries, and viewed "Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead".  Inspiration.  The premiss: Consume nothing but fruit and veggie juices you make at home, tons of flavor recipes that are good, and because you taking in straight up nutrients and little fiber, your digestion takes a break with energy working elsewere, your body burns up a lot of fat, and you reboot your system and break the addiction of sugar, fried stuff, and too much meat.

I tried a 10 day fast.  By day 7 I knew I could do 30.   May, August, and October I did 30 day fasts, lost 100 pounds, no longer crave sugar, or any other of the bad crap.  I now cook "regular" meals, more plant based than meat, and have not only kept the weight off, and changed the way I look at food, but I also lost another 10 pounds since October bringing me down to my goal weight.  Rebooted my body.  Broke the addiction of sugar.  And, once I started it.. it was THE EASIEST THING.

Has nothing to do with lazy.  Yes, there can be underlying crap, but it's amplified by the sugar addiction, just like it would be amplified by alcohol.

/CSS

It has everything to do with lazy. Food was worse when I was a kid. Kids were three times less likely to be obese. Blame someone else? Imagine that.

You will regain your weight. Gimmick dieting is no substitute for working your butt off, sweating, lifting weights, running, and relatively normal eating. Sugar addiction. What is next?

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Matt Furey knows his stuff.
 
2013-01-24 07:22:15 PM  

Thunderpipes: santadog: It's the sugar in everything, and it's processed food.  The country is addicted.  I was fat all my life, and ballooned over the last couple winters.  Last April I hopped on a scale after not paying attention for a couple years, and saw 261lbs.  Decided to watch some food documentaries, and viewed "Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead".  Inspiration.  The premiss: Consume nothing but fruit and veggie juices you make at home, tons of flavor recipes that are good, and because you taking in straight up nutrients and little fiber, your digestion takes a break with energy working elsewere, your body burns up a lot of fat, and you reboot your system and break the addiction of sugar, fried stuff, and too much meat.

I tried a 10 day fast.  By day 7 I knew I could do 30.   May, August, and October I did 30 day fasts, lost 100 pounds, no longer crave sugar, or any other of the bad crap.  I now cook "regular" meals, more plant based than meat, and have not only kept the weight off, and changed the way I look at food, but I also lost another 10 pounds since October bringing me down to my goal weight.  Rebooted my body.  Broke the addiction of sugar.  And, once I started it.. it was THE EASIEST THING.

Has nothing to do with lazy.  Yes, there can be underlying crap, but it's amplified by the sugar addiction, just like it would be amplified by alcohol.

/CSS

It has everything to do with lazy. Food was worse when I was a kid. Kids were three times less likely to be obese. Blame someone else? Imagine that.

You will regain your weight. Gimmick dieting is no substitute for working your butt off, sweating, lifting weights, running, and relatively normal eating. Sugar addiction. What is next?


He is right. You are wrong.
 
2013-01-24 07:28:31 PM  

FarkinHostile: I drunk what: FarkinHostile: kroonermanblack: Being fat? 95% of the time it's a choice.

You spelled "100%" wrong.

free will is an illusion, it's a scientific FACT

stop blaming the victims


I have no choice. This is the way god made me.


there is no god only nature, and science

be rational
 
2013-01-24 07:32:40 PM  

Halophilic: maggoo: I find it hard to believe that 64% of the US adult population has chromosomal abnormalities.

You need to find another scapegoat.

Maybe it's time we stop using a metric created by a 19th century Beligan not-doctor and gauge I don't know, actual health? "Overweight" on BMI is a joke.


Bmi is fine for most people. You don't have big bones, you don't have extra organs or blood, you are probably fat.

My brother can bench over 300 lbs at 175lbs and 5'6". Now that puts him at just barely overweight but it is farking obvious his muscle mass is the reason. I highly doubt that most of the people in the overweight range, much less obese, are body building studs. If you aren't hitting the gym every day and focusing on muscle you just aren't going to have the thirty+ pounds of extra muscle that gets you to obese. Yet I see people whose high school football muscle has rotted to fat trying to pretend they are still muscular and it is all the mean ole bmi chart's fault.
 
2013-01-24 07:34:24 PM  

DuncanMhor:

A stranger makes any "shaming" comments about my appearance uninvited will get a smack in the farking face, assuming I can catch the cowardly little fark.


Oi Scotty, I'll be in Edinburgh for the Festival in August.

I'll be at the Burns monument at 7pm on the 9th and if you show up I'll give you shiat directly to your haggis face.

If you actually have the sack to take a swing I'll buy you a pint after you wake up.
 
2013-01-24 07:40:06 PM  

I drunk what: FarkinHostile: I drunk what: FarkinHostile: kroonermanblack: Being fat? 95% of the time it's a choice.

You spelled "100%" wrong.

free will is an illusion, it's a scientific FACT

stop blaming the victims


I have no choice. This is the way god made me.

there is no god only nature, and science

be rational



You're confusing your nouns.

But you already knew that.
 
2013-01-24 07:52:37 PM  

I drunk what: FarkinHostile: I drunk what: FarkinHostile: kroonermanblack: Being fat? 95% of the time it's a choice.

You spelled "100%" wrong.

free will is an illusion, it's a scientific FACT

stop blaming the victims


I have no choice. This is the way god made me.

there is no god only nature, and science

be rational


But sir, you repeat yourself.

; )
 
2013-01-24 07:59:18 PM  

FarkinHostile: You're confusing your nouns.


naturally

FarkinHostile: But you already knew that.


naturally

spacelord321: But sir, you repeat yourself.


naturally


FOR SCIENCE!!!1!
 
2013-01-24 07:59:45 PM  

Greymalkin: DuncanMhor:

A stranger makes any "shaming" comments about my appearance uninvited will get a smack in the farking face, assuming I can catch the cowardly little fark.

Oi Scotty, I'll be in Edinburgh for the Festival in August.

I'll be at the Burns monument at 7pm on the 9th and if you show up I'll give you shiat directly to your haggis face.

If you actually have the sack to take a swing I'll buy you a pint after you wake up.


Oh look. Skirt-wearing ITGs in their natural habitat.
 
2013-01-24 08:03:08 PM  

I drunk what: there is no god only nature, and science


Actually, God is real, but most of the time, he's drunk.
 
2013-01-24 08:09:48 PM  

I drunk what: FarkinHostile: You're confusing your nouns.

naturally

FarkinHostile: But you already knew that.

naturally

spacelord321: But sir, you repeat yourself.

naturally


FOR SCIENCE!!!1!



Congrats, you finally made a point.

It's almost like you are learning....
 
2013-01-24 08:18:23 PM  

I drunk what: FarkinHostile: I drunk what: FarkinHostile: kroonermanblack: Being fat? 95% of the time it's a choice.

You spelled "100%" wrong.

free will is an illusion, it's a scientific FACT

stop blaming the victims


I have no choice. This is the way god made me.

there is no god only nature, and science

be rational


You sound fat.
 
2013-01-24 08:26:17 PM  

St. Spuzzum: I just spent the better part of two hours reading the comments here. Hurray sick days! I have been struggling with my weight since high school, and have recently started treatment for an eating disorder. Believe me, there is nothing you can say to me that is more hurtful or damaging than the cruelty I have unleashed on myself for the last 20 years.


Well. No words can hurt anyone really. The listener has to take the words and then beat themselves up. Sometimes people ignore the words, or don't beat themselves up to my satisfaction. That leaves me downcast. Other times, the listener will do a ferocious job of beating themselves up. That's the best case scenario, a well trained and motivated self-injuring victim.
 
2013-01-24 08:27:18 PM  

NeoKhan: IlGreven: Funny, the same people who laugh at the fatties also laugh at New York for banning extra large Cokes. Which is it?

Can't we make fun of people without making laws to oppress them?


As history has shown...no, no we can't.
 
2013-01-24 08:29:10 PM  
Zelron: I'm a big fat guy. Shame doesn't do it. I know.
I already feel ashamed that I have to ask for a seatbelt extender on a flight.
I already feel ashamed that I can't run around with my kids in the yard for more than 3 seconds without getting exhausted.
I already feel ashamed that I take up more than one seat on the subway.
I already feel ashamed that I can't walk more than a couple of blocks without my back screaming "What the fark are you doing to me?"
I already feel ashamed that I can't walk into any clothing store and expect that they'll have something that will fit.

Smoking vs. Obesity: You don't have to smoke, you do have to eat. Declining rates for smoking are primarily due to keeping them away from kids until they're old enough to know better. Just like with smoking though, someone has to want to quit. If they don't want to quit, no amount of shame will improve the situation.

Which is why I don't think kids should be involved in religion until they're old enough to know better.

Smackledorfer: Managung a nicotine addiction, for me at least, is a thousand times easier than watching my weight.


Ever think about e-cigarettes, or nicotine gum? Safe way to get that hit.
 
2013-01-24 08:41:02 PM  

JungleBoogie: Zelron: I'm a big fat guy. Shame doesn't do it. I know.
I already feel ashamed that I have to ask for a seatbelt extender on a flight.
I already feel ashamed that I can't run around with my kids in the yard for more than 3 seconds without getting exhausted.
I already feel ashamed that I take up more than one seat on the subway.
I already feel ashamed that I can't walk more than a couple of blocks without my back screaming "What the fark are you doing to me?"
I already feel ashamed that I can't walk into any clothing store and expect that they'll have something that will fit.

Smoking vs. Obesity: You don't have to smoke, you do have to eat. Declining rates for smoking are primarily due to keeping them away from kids until they're old enough to know better. Just like with smoking though, someone has to want to quit. If they don't want to quit, no amount of shame will improve the situation.

Which is why I don't think kids should be involved in religion until they're old enough to know better.

Smackledorfer: Managung a nicotine addiction, for me at least, is a thousand times easier than watching my weight.

Ever think about e-cigarettes, or nicotine gum? Safe way to get that hit.


Don't waste money on the cheap shiat.

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2013-01-24 08:41:45 PM  

IlGreven: NeoKhan: IlGreven: Funny, the same people who laugh at the fatties also laugh at New York for banning extra large Cokes. Which is it?

Can't we make fun of people without making laws to oppress them?

As history has shown...no, no we can't.


Tyranny of the majority.
 
2013-01-24 08:42:08 PM  
Eh, i smoke like once a month. Never tried an ecig. Do you still get that burn when you take a drag?
 
2013-01-24 08:52:52 PM  

Smackledorfer: Eh, i smoke like once a month. Never tried an ecig. Do you still get that burn when you take a drag?


Throat hit, they call it. The answer is yes but it's not quite the same. Bonus, no smell.

Oh and it will never taste like an analog cig.
 
2013-01-24 09:08:15 PM  

WhippingBoy: Trillian Astra: This isn't just a matter of "stop being fat, fatty", it has to do with the food culture in the US over all.

If that were true, then everyone would be fat. How is it that some people aren't? Magic beans?


...have you looked at the average American lately? These days, being thin is being an outlier.
 
2013-01-24 10:30:02 PM  

IlGreven: WhippingBoy: Trillian Astra: This isn't just a matter of "stop being fat, fatty", it has to do with the food culture in the US over all.

If that were true, then everyone would be fat. How is it that some people aren't? Magic beans?

...have you looked at the average American lately? These days, being thin is being an outlier.


This.
 
2013-01-24 10:40:12 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: Greymalkin: DuncanMhor:

A stranger makes any "shaming" comments about my appearance uninvited will get a smack in the farking face, assuming I can catch the cowardly little fark.

Oi Scotty, I'll be in Edinburgh for the Festival in August.

I'll be at the Burns monument at 7pm on the 9th and if you show up I'll give you shiat directly to your haggis face.

If you actually have the sack to take a swing I'll buy you a pint after you wake up.

Oh look. Skirt-wearing ITGs in their natural habitat.


Every get the feeling that you may be missing the joke but still had the need to hit your keyboard anyhow?

You should be experiencing that right now.
 
2013-01-24 10:44:22 PM  

bk3k:
Hmmm who is to blame? The person who MADE bad choices several times a day, or the person who simply offers people a choice? Clearly it is the person who gave them a choice... if you actually blame the manufacturer, you are such a dumbass. They are responding to a demand. The problem lies with those who made the demand.

Some say shaming bad choices = bullying. In other news, telling people they need to stop smoking meth is bullying. There is a difference between making people ashamed simply of themselves, and making them selves ashamed of the choices they have made an continue to make (multiple times a day). It is valid to point out the result of their choices. Tell them they can be better, but they need to choose it and have the will power.

Another thing is the people who blame their fatness on genetics. This can be partially true for some people. Not nearly as many people as who claim it. Sure studies show that overweight people end up with overweight kids. But how much of that is genetics and how much of that is you passing your horrible lifestyle choices onto your children? I think almost all children of fat people would be healthy if raised by healthy parents instead.


This. This. And especially THIS.

People who have problems get partial, sensationalist, overblown, and quite frankly crappy reports about science from the media, and decide they now understand their issues in terms of "genetics"...and get it wrong.

Just because obesity "runs in the family" does NOT mean it has anything to do with genetics. More often it has to do with parents feeding their kids fattening foods because that's how they learned to eat from their own parents. Food preparation and eating habits are passed down through the generations. If all you ever saw at the dinner table was piles of burgers and fries or a giant pizza or fried stuff swimming in gravy, the idea that a salad could be dinner would be pretty foreign to you.

So, a child is being fed a diet in which he (I'm going with a male pronoun for convenience, typing "he or she" every time is...well I'm too lazy to do it) gets more calories than needed. First he feels too full, but since he's always getting about the same amount, his brain and body adapt so that a little too much food becomes normal. He grows a little and eats more...again a bit too much (who eats an extra 3 bites of burger or pizza? you finish the whole piece). Again the body adapts so that too many calories become just enough calories. Imagine this process occurring repeatedly, slowly over years. By adolescence he could be consuming hundreds of calories too much and gaining weight constantly, but if he eats less he'll feel hungry as his "baseline" caloric intake, what should be needed for a healthy body, has been skewed upwards.

Now this person is an obese adult. He wants to lose weight, but can't seem to manage. Every time he cuts his calories, he's hungry all the time. His body and brain have slowly been trained over time that "way too much" is "just enough"...dropping to 2000 calories a day could feel like starving to death.

Now don't get me wrong, as an adult this person has likely continued bad eating habits, despite the fact that at some point he surely learned that he was contributing to his weight problem. But now a problem that has developed over years or even decades is not going to have a quick fix, Even if the weight is lost, that new higher "baseline" calorie level can make it easy to eat just a little too much, just to feel really full, and the weight starts piling on again.

Thus much of the obesity problem and it's cure do start in childhood. Parents need to be educated and take responsibility that what they feed their kids can have a HUGE long term effect on their health. Healthy eating habits will likely lead normal weight gain and healthy adulthood. Poor eating habits leading to early excessive weight gain can doom their kids to obesity and all the difficulties associated with it.

Kayso I guess that was pretty long. Final thought a propos to TFA...maybe we shouldn 't shame the obese unless they're bringing home crappy food for their kids.

/still don't really approve of bullying
 
2013-01-24 11:56:46 PM  

PsiChick: You know, every day I look in the mirror at my two-buck self and say "goddamn, I'm so glad my mother loved me enough to teach me to love others instead of worrying about my weight".

It must be so horrible to live without someone having taught you that.


No I was taught that but I was also taught to not accept my size if I were over weight, its not healthy mentally or physically.

I was raised by someone who taught me common sense, must be horrible to never have known what that phrase means.......
 
2013-01-24 11:59:55 PM  

FarkinHostile: kroonermanblack: Being fat? 95% of the time it's a choice.

You spelled "100%" wrong.


Thats not true, its awfully close to 100% but not quite, the problem is we have too many people who want to blame other issues other than being lazy or unmotivated for their fat, they need to learn that nobody will help them except themselves.
 
2013-01-25 02:36:20 AM  
 
2013-01-25 02:53:02 AM  

bk3k: Some say shaming bad choices = bullying. In other news, telling people they need to stop smoking meth is bullying. There is a difference between making people ashamed simply of themselves, and making them selves ashamed of the choices they have made an continue to make (multiple times a day). It is valid to point out the result of their choices. Tell them they can be better, but they need to choose it and have the will power.


...oh look, someone who doesn't know the difference between constructive criticism (which is not bullying) and shaming, ostracism, and abuse (which is).

Calling people "fatty", "tubbs", and "blob" is not constructive criticism, and trying to hide behind "well, he needs to lose some weight" isn't helping. Jillian Michaels is harsh, but she's not a bully. There are people who can't handle her motivation, but that doesn't make her a bully. On the other hand, lobbing out insults, names, and abuse without any true effort to help someone change is bullying, no matter how much less harsh it is than Jillian's "motivational screaming". And it makes the bully seem far more lazy than the "fatty" they're insulting.
 
2013-01-25 05:33:50 AM  

IlGreven: bk3k: Some say shaming bad choices = bullying. In other news, telling people they need to stop smoking meth is bullying. There is a difference between making people ashamed simply of themselves, and making them selves ashamed of the choices they have made an continue to make (multiple times a day). It is valid to point out the result of their choices. Tell them they can be better, but they need to choose it and have the will power.

...oh look, someone who doesn't know the difference between constructive criticism (which is not bullying) and shaming, ostracism, and abuse (which is).

Calling people "fatty", "tubbs", and "blob" is not constructive criticism, and trying to hide behind "well, he needs to lose some weight" isn't helping. Jillian Michaels is harsh, but she's not a bully. There are people who can't handle her motivation, but that doesn't make her a bully. On the other hand, lobbing out insults, names, and abuse without any true effort to help someone change is bullying, no matter how much less harsh it is than Jillian's "motivational screaming". And it makes the bully seem far more lazy than the "fatty" they're insulting.


I suppose it isn't constructive to refer to you as a moron either. But a rose by any other name...

No doubt you cannot fathom why I'd say that. Maybe I'll make a huge post to elaborate the multiple angles of this when I'm not ready to pass out, but I'll probably forget all about you instead. Just being honest.
 
2013-01-25 09:09:02 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: You sound fat.


not by my choice, i'm the victim

i'm ok you're ok
 
2013-01-25 09:12:45 AM  
Dear overweight people. Here's how to lose weight, guaranteed:

1. stop eating fats, especially fats from processed food and ground meats.
why: in a simplified nutshell: when you eat such things, you start to salivate which makes you crave more and the cycle goes on. by eliminating such salivation-inducing fats (and to some degree salts) and salts, you break that cycle. if you are on that cycle now, as many americans are, it's hard to get off - it takes between 3 days and a week during which you will be very, very tempted. However, once you're off, you're pretty much off and hopefully, like many thin people, you'll actually develop a revulsion to such foods (the thought of putting something like a dorito or mcfood in my mouth makes me almost nauseous). This is why thin but not athletic people stay thin..they don't get on this cycle. Most processed foods - everything from potato chips to oreos to salad dressing - is SWIMMING in fat. avoid processed foods entirely if possible--if the food you are looking at has a shelf life of more than two weeks DON'T EAT IT. If it's food that you would eat after it has been shipped via UPS to you, DON'T EAT IT. if you are in a typical american corporate eating hell environment, a sandwich with meat but no cheese and mustard but no oils or dressing is a good alternative (acutally, yes, there is something to Subway as long as you stay away from the sneaky fatty items on the menu). if you're trying to break the cycle, dont feel the need to cut down on your calories just yet - break the cycle first and you'll natually feel the need to eat less soon enough.

2. run without rewarding yourself.
Do not by default attempt this simultaneously with step #1, though if you do step 1, you may find yourself sooner than you think with excess energy and wanting to try this, which is fine too if you feel you want to.
if you are particularly overweight, your target for today is 20 minutes, outside, AT A CONSTANT SPEED, WITHOUT STOPPING. do it at the fastest speed you can that ensures that you DO NOT STOP the whole way, even if this means walking the whole way. You'll probably get it wrong your first time and likely try to go faster than you can. If you have left over energy at the end, sprint/go faster but use this as a guide to ensure that you go at a constant speed next time. The goal then is to increase either your speed or the duration of your runs - again - OUTSIDE (not on the treadmill) and WITHOUT STOPPING, AT CONSTANT SPEED. 20 minutes is a minimum, again, as long as its a walk. Once you can do 40 minutes in a row at anything above a walk, congratulations - you are losing weight. Once you get to 60 minutes even in a moderate jog, the weight will really start to come off. If absolutely necessary, this can be done on a treadmill, though outdoors is better. Start in winter if you can as the dense cold air will make your running easier - it's much harder to run in summer. Now--here's the key part - DON'T reward yourself with food. that is easier said than done but try to have normal, sensible meals.

if you run, your muscles may initially ache for even a few days. give them time to rest, though not too much--it's a fine line. you want to work up to where you run if not every day, at least every other day. if you get injured through overuse (too much too soon), give yourself time to heal and, critically, stick to rule #1 as you heal.

Do both of the above and you will lose weight and feel great. It's a self reinforcing cycle - get into it, and you'll find yourself doing one because it helps the other. you will actually be shocked at how much weight you can lose. if you stick with it, the weight loss will sneak up on you.

you can do it!

good luck
 
2013-01-25 09:28:57 AM  

Bomb Head Mohammed: Dear overweight people. Here's how to lose weight, guaranteed:

1. stop eating fats, especially fats from processed food and ground meats.
why: in a simplified nutshell: when you eat such things, you start to salivate which makes you crave more and the cycle goes on. by eliminating such salivation-inducing fats (and to some degree salts) and salts, you break that cycle. if you are on that cycle now, as many americans are, it's hard to get off - it takes between 3 days and a week during which you will be very, very tempted. However, once you're off, you're pretty much off and hopefully, like many thin people, you'll actually develop a revulsion to such foods (the thought of putting something like a dorito or mcfood in my mouth makes me almost nauseous). This is why thin but not athletic people stay thin..they don't get on this cycle. Most processed foods - everything from potato chips to oreos to salad dressing - is SWIMMING in fat. avoid processed foods entirely if possible--if the food you are looking at has a shelf life of more than two weeks DON'T EAT IT. If it's food that you would eat after it has been shipped via UPS to you, DON'T EAT IT. if you are in a typical american corporate eating hell environment, a sandwich with meat but no cheese and mustard but no oils or dressing is a good alternative (acutally, yes, there is something to Subway as long as you stay away from the sneaky fatty items on the menu). if you're trying to break the cycle, dont feel the need to cut down on your calories just yet - break the cycle first and you'll natually feel the need to eat less soon enough.

2. run without rewarding yourself.
Do not by default attempt this simultaneously with step #1, though if you do step 1, you may find yourself sooner than you think with excess energy and wanting to try this, which is fine too if you feel you want to.
if you are particularly overweight, your target for today is 20 minutes, outside, AT A CONSTANT SPEED, WITHOUT STOPPI ...


This is completely wrong (except for the bit about avoiding processed foods, of course).

The human body is an open-ended energy system that is in a constant state of imbalance.

So, eat a wide variety of natural foods, and from those selections, eat what you enjoy. Fats are tasty and enjoyable and satisfying. You will feel the need to continue eating until you are satisfied. Eating unsatisfying foods that you do not enjoy will guarantee that you stay hungry forever.

As for exercise, warm up thoroughly, then exercise in short, high-intensity bursts, like sprints. It's fun, enjoyable, stimulating, far less time-consuming, and effective. Drink water only (no calories at all, and certainly no "energy drinks") for at least an hour afterward, and more if you can help it. Do that about 3 days per week.

Your suggestions are to eat unsatisfying food all the time, and exercise like you are a machine churning out widgets in a factory. That's not how the human body evolved to operate.
 
2013-01-25 10:01:02 AM  
Yeah, but say anything to a pervert and it's a hate crime. We fat people just need better just need a variant of the free speech hating GLAAD, huh?
 
2013-01-25 10:19:15 AM  

conservative_dude: Yeah, but say anything to a pervert and it's a hate crime. We fat people just need better just need a variant of the free speech hating GLAAD, huh?


radio.foxnews.comlosangeles.grubstreet.comextras.mnginteractive.com
 
2013-01-25 10:52:43 AM  

Phinn: Bomb Head Mohammed: Dear overweight people. Here's how to lose weight, guaranteed:

1. stop eating fats, especially fats from processed food and ground meats.
why: in a simplified nutshell: when you eat such things, you start to salivate which makes you crave more and the cycle goes on. by eliminating such salivation-inducing fats (and to some degree salts) and salts, you break that cycle. if you are on that cycle now, as many americans are, it's hard to get off - it takes between 3 days and a week during which you will be very, very tempted. However, once you're off, you're pretty much off and hopefully, like many thin people, you'll actually develop a revulsion to such foods (the thought of putting something like a dorito or mcfood in my mouth makes me almost nauseous). This is why thin but not athletic people stay thin..they don't get on this cycle. Most processed foods - everything from potato chips to oreos to salad dressing - is SWIMMING in fat. avoid processed foods entirely if possible--if the food you are looking at has a shelf life of more than two weeks DON'T EAT IT. If it's food that you would eat after it has been shipped via UPS to you, DON'T EAT IT. if you are in a typical american corporate eating hell environment, a sandwich with meat but no cheese and mustard but no oils or dressing is a good alternative (acutally, yes, there is something to Subway as long as you stay away from the sneaky fatty items on the menu). if you're trying to break the cycle, dont feel the need to cut down on your calories just yet - break the cycle first and you'll natually feel the need to eat less soon enough.

2. run without rewarding yourself.
Do not by default attempt this simultaneously with step #1, though if you do step 1, you may find yourself sooner than you think with excess energy and wanting to try this, which is fine too if you feel you want to.
if you are particularly overweight, your target for today is 20 minutes, outside, AT A CONSTANT S ...


Actually, those foods are very satisfying, once you train your body to enjoy them. Flush tose toxic processed chemicals out of your body and you will enjoy healthier foods.
 
2013-01-25 11:19:46 AM  

steamingpile: PsiChick: You know, every day I look in the mirror at my two-buck self and say "goddamn, I'm so glad my mother loved me enough to teach me to love others instead of worrying about my weight".

It must be so horrible to live without someone having taught you that.

No I was taught that but I was also taught to not accept my size if I were over weight, its not healthy mentally or physically.

I was raised by someone who taught me common sense, must be horrible to never have known what that phrase means.......


Oh, so they aren't thinking  correctly about their weight! Well, that makes  all the difference, doesn't it. It's just common sense to shame people who don't think  correctly about their weight. After all, it's perfectly okay for people to comment on the medical issues of total strangers, AND it helps that you can read minds!

Tell you what. You want to fattie-shame? Okay--just tell Fark the name of one of your medical issues. We'll comment on it as we see fit. Sounds fair to me.
 
2013-01-25 11:33:29 AM  

PsiChick: Tell you what. You want to fattie-shame? Okay--just tell Fark the name of one of your medical issues. We'll comment on it as we see fit. Sounds fair to me.


Overeating is not a medical issue. Neither is smoking.

They can cause medical issues. But those self-abusive behaviors are not medical problems. They're just bad habits.
 
2013-01-25 11:37:21 AM  
Phinn: So, eat a wide variety of natural foods, and from those selections, eat what you enjoy. Fats are tasty and enjoyable and satisfying. You will feel the need to continue eating until you are satisfied. Eating unsatisfying foods that you do not enjoy will guarantee that you stay hungry forever.

Reading comprehension is not your strong suit.

Nowhere did I not say to eat satisfying foods. I am not saying "eat celery and only celery and those disgusting and useless iceberg lettuce 'salads.' Unfortunately, you apparently live in such a narrow world that all you see is "big mac" or "cup full of celery sticks." This is sad, and, honestly, since you've attacked my views so strongly, I'm just going to out and out call you an idiot for thinking so.

Notice how I didn't even particularly discourage carbohydrate eating. In practice, I think reduced carbohydrate intake comes naturally when you start exercise and break the salt-salivation-fat cycle--you end up craving spaghetti only when your body needs it, such as after prolonged serious exercize.

I am saying stay away from processed foods and particularly fatty non-processed meats, such as ground beef. Here's a test: if you find yourself craving fatty meat (or chips, or oreos) DAILY, then you're eating too much fat and this craving can be tied to the salt-salivation-fat cycle. (if you crave the occasional piece of red/fatty meat after generally being away from it for a week or two, this is normal and is fine but this is not the problem of the typical overweight person).

I have left open the entire spectrum of food to be eaten EXCEPT for processed, long life stuff and an excess of fat. My problem with fat is not that "fat makes you fat" or that it's called "fat" - it's that high fat foods are typically high salt foods and the combination makes you salivate in such a way that you want to eat more. Disagree? Try eating just 5 potato chips.

"As for exercise, warm up thoroughly, then exercise in short, high-intensity bursts, like sprints. It's fun, enjoyable, stimulating, far less time-consuming, and effective."

I'm sorry, but this advice is idiotic. Overweight are going to lose weight by running "fun" sprints? Honestly, this may be the stupidest idea I have ever heard. It's such a stupid idea that I think you're a troll, but in case there are people who don't know, your "sprint" idea will result in no sustained weight loss and, more importantly, will lead to no increased cardiac capacity that will be part of a weight loss cycle. At worse, your suggestion is a recipe for heart attacks, even if the person warms up beforehand. Only sustained cardiovascular exercise in the "energy efficient" (60-70% MHR) or aerobic (70-80%) heart rate zone will result in long term weight loss. Your desire for anaerobic or red-line heart rate exercise is just, again, idiotic.
 
2013-01-25 11:40:54 AM  

Phinn: PsiChick: Tell you what. You want to fattie-shame? Okay--just tell Fark the name of one of your medical issues. We'll comment on it as we see fit. Sounds fair to me.

Overeating is not a medical issue. Neither is smoking.

They can cause medical issues. But those self-abusive behaviors are not medical problems. They're just bad habits.


A) Okay. Tell Fark the name of one of your bad habits. Don't tell me you don't pick your nose, drive while on a cell phone...hell, driving while on a cell phone is probably  more dangerous than being fat.

B) There's this amazing thing called 'science' that actually discovered multiple factors in obesity...several decades ago. You might want to catch up sometime. One of the most fascinating finds is that some research suggests obese people are metabolizing the same foodstuffs in completely different ways--if you give two people a hamburger, one will put on weight, but the other will basically shrug it off, because the one putting on weight is metabolizing almost all of it as fat instead of metabolizing the proportional amounts of various nutrients. That's why some overweight people are also suffering from malnutrition.
 
2013-01-25 11:49:08 AM  

Bomb Head Mohammed: Dear overweight people. Here's how to lose weight, guaranteed:

1. stop eating fats, especially fats from processed food and ground meats.
why: in a simplified nutshell: when you eat such things, you start to salivate which makes you crave more and the cycle goes on. by eliminating such salivation-inducing fats (and to some degree salts) and salts, you break that cycle. if you are on that cycle now, as many americans are, it's hard to get off - it takes between 3 days and a week during which you will be very, very tempted. However, once you're off, you're pretty much off and hopefully, like many thin people, you'll actually develop a revulsion to such foods (the thought of putting something like a dorito or mcfood in my mouth makes me almost nauseous). This is why thin but not athletic people stay thin..they don't get on this cycle. Most processed foods - everything from potato chips to oreos to salad dressing - is SWIMMING in fat. avoid processed foods entirely if possible--if the food you are looking at has a shelf life of more than two weeks DON'T EAT IT. If it's food that you would eat after it has been shipped via UPS to you, DON'T EAT IT. if you are in a typical american corporate eating hell environment, a sandwich with meat but no cheese and mustard but no oils or dressing is a good alternative (acutally, yes, there is something to Subway as long as you stay away from the sneaky fatty items on the menu). if you're trying to break the cycle, dont feel the need to cut down on your calories just yet - break the cycle first and you'll natually feel the need to eat less soon enough.

2. run without rewarding yourself.
Do not by default attempt this simultaneously with step #1, though if you do step 1, you may find yourself sooner than you think with excess energy and wanting to try this, which is fine too if you feel you want to.
if you are particularly overweight, your target for today is 20 minutes, outside, AT A CONSTANT SPEED, WITHOUT STOPPI ...


This might be some of the worst advice I've ever read. You should have dropped this troll-bomb at the start of the thread.
 
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