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2013-01-24 02:37:21 PM

steamingpile: Queensowntalia: If weight issues are linked with mental issues, adding psychological attacks is only going to make the problem worse. I have struggled with both depression and my weight for years, and articles like these, and the resulting Fark "all fat people should go kill themselves" threads haven't motivated me to exercise, they've made me want to hurt myself and/or drink myself into a stupor. It's hard enough for me to leave the house to begin with. Please don't make it even harder.

Then we set up extra large suicide booths for fat asses to take care of themselves, problem solved.

Your depression is driven partly by a self image issue if you can't fix that then there is no hope for you, getting out of the house has nothing to do with it, you are on the internet and there are a shiat ton of sites of workouts you can do at home. Expercise also releases endorphins to make you feel better so its win-win, bottom line is just exercise anywhere you can and quit making excuses.


You know, every day I look in the mirror at my two-buck self and say "goddamn, I'm so glad my mother loved me enough to teach me to love others instead of worrying about my weight".

It must be so horrible to live without someone having taught you that.
 
2013-01-24 02:37:40 PM

Carth: Yea, that is too hard. it would be like a WHOLE WEEK of monday


no wonder garfield never lost weight
 
2013-01-24 02:38:42 PM

Zelron: Super_pope: You may have convinced yourself that you can't just have one cookie but you don't get "sick" if you don't. Fiance lost a friend from waaaay back in highschool to a heroine overdose, I know what someone who has an ACTUAL tweak looks like.

http://www.recoveryview.com/2012/05/sugar-addiction-sweet-misery-for- a ll/
http://suite101.com/article/breaking-sugar-addiction-a411892
http://www.mirror.co.uk/lifestyle/health/sugar-addiction-how-to-cut-i t -out-1282617
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-r-talbott/sugar-health_b_1396609.h t ml


One of those is a Marriage Councilor, one is essentially a personal blog, one of them (the only remotely not insane sounding one) is pimping what amounts to a diet book, and one is from a sensationalist tabloid.
 
2013-01-24 02:41:04 PM

Carth: When first cutting down on sugar, you'll probably experience headaches and feel grumpy and lethargic for a few days.

But after a week you'll start to feel better and be amazed at how quickly your addiction fades. Here's how to do it painlessly but effectively."

Yea, that is too hard. it would be like a WHOLE WEEK of monday


There were other / worse symptoms in some of the other articles. Granted, not as bad as withdrawal from other drugs but sugar is also legal, readily available, and hard to avoid.

the point is, more shame isn't the answer.
 
2013-01-24 02:41:20 PM

Super_pope: 1The rest of you might think you're in some way special and that you just can't help it, and in a way I suppose that's true. You are special in that you're what we call, "pussies." You can't tolerate the slightest most trivial discomfort or delay in immediate gratification, regardless of how bad it is for you or how deep you've already dug the hole by packing yourself to bursting with anything that looked like it might POSSIBLY contain sugar in order to hold your bad feelings at bay for another few seconds.


It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside knowing you're out there and genuinely care about my well being and physical and mental health. =) It couldn't possibly be that I just like to eat and that I don't give a flying fark about your opinion of me. No, you've convinced me I have serious issues I need to deal with. I'll be waiting here patiently for you to reply back with the steps I need to fix my life, since you seem to care and know so much.
 
2013-01-24 02:45:37 PM

Carth: Zelron: http://www.mirror.co.uk/lifestyle/health/sugar-addiction-how-to-cut-i t -out-1282617

"When first cutting down on sugar, you'll probably experience headaches and feel grumpy and lethargic for a few days.

But after a week you'll start to feel better and be amazed at how quickly your addiction fades. Here's how to do it painlessly but effectively."

Yea, that is too hard. it would be like a WHOLE WEEK of monday


You're making light of something deadlier and more addictive than heroine (according to the headline). For Shame!
 
2013-01-24 02:46:11 PM
I just had an epiphany!

It's not MY fault! It's society's fault for not having shamed me enough! Since more shame is the answer, then if you don't shame me enough it's not my fault!

Glad I don't have to take responsibility now! Thanks!
 
2013-01-24 02:47:36 PM
Fat people are fat by their own doing and nothing else. If they don't like being fat, they can change it. If they do, then I guess I don't care (since I like to drink and other things that are not healthy choices).

Prior picture of Ms. Spears is that of a mildly obese woman. My wife is thin and fit because she exercises. It's really not any more complicated than that.

/ cue thyroid excuse
 
2013-01-24 02:48:00 PM

Super_pope: You're making light of something deadlier and more addictive than heroine (according to the headline). For Shame!


I have to admit I do have an addition to females in spandex (heroines).
 
2013-01-24 02:49:33 PM

daveinsurgent: / cue thyroid excuse


I don't have a thyroid problem. My wife does.

Lots of middle-aged women do.
 
2013-01-24 02:49:51 PM

amquelbettamin: I call that overweight that seems less obvious due to the tan and bad breast augmentation. Flat and pale she'd look a bit porcine.


I strongly suspect you're in the minority. If most people looked at that, not knowing who it is or the trainwreck that she was at the time, I'd guess they'd call her healthy. Not athletic, not overweight... just healthy. There are no unreasonable fat deposits, very slight protrusion of the belly, slight spare tire, etc. Like I said, not athletic, not overweight. I wish I were that fat...
 
Ant
2013-01-24 02:53:13 PM

bighairyguy: He sounds like he wants to justify his need to be a bully.


This. Shaming fat people just makes people fat and depressed.
 
2013-01-24 02:54:22 PM

Zelron: hutchkc: Since you don't understand the best way to put it would be an obsessive/compulsive behavior. If I'm at a store and walk by the candy aisle my brain goes "NEED ... NOW". Not always but regularly. If I don't get anything and go home I obsess that I don't have any candy and crave it. It builds in strength and adds almost a jumpy/jittery piece to it. Eventually I feel like I have to have it ala Smeed in the Lord of the Rings.
Don't forget driving back to the store because you need it. Can't wait for the wife and kids to go to bed to go get your fix. Yeah, it's a real thing. It's a real pain. Because one more can't hurt.


I'm going to do a rare thing and stick up for the fatties. First of all, 99% of you do not understand the power of addictions and what people will do to avoid certain bad thoughts and feelings. I"m not here to explain here to you, because I don't give a fark--you don't get it. That's the way it is, just like I don't understand what it's like to have cancer. That's why I don't go around telling people with cancer how to deal with it. But everyone on Fark is an expert on subjects they've never personally been acquainted with, so why stop now?

I had kind of a farked-up childhood, like hutchkc was talking about. My mother made me obsessed with my looks, how "skinny" I was, and what I was eating. I've never been fat, but I'm an alcoholic, and I had eating disorders for many years. Both compulsions were equally as strong--when I needed to binge, I needed to. I would eat so that I wouldn't drink, and I'd drink so that I wouldn't eat.

Long story short, I'm over it now. I got better. I eat normally, I'm sober, and despite being weird as hell, I'm free of my addictions now. But it was a long goddamned haul. When I say "you don't know what it's like" ---you don't know what it's like. So STFU for once. Not everyone was born to mentally stable parents who gave them love, self-acceptance, social skills, a well-rounded childhood, and the ability to figure out how to do well in life. You got lucky.
 
2013-01-24 03:00:51 PM

treesloth: amquelbettamin: I call that overweight that seems less obvious due to the tan and bad breast augmentation. Flat and pale she'd look a bit porcine.

I strongly suspect you're in the minority. If most people looked at that, not knowing who it is or the trainwreck that she was at the time, I'd guess they'd call her healthy. Not athletic, not overweight... just healthy. There are no unreasonable fat deposits, very slight protrusion of the belly, slight spare tire, etc. Like I said, not athletic, not overweight. I wish I were that fat...


When you call someone healthy instead of hot, means that they are fat.

Not to mention, that fat being young means really bad things later on. Younger people can be a little fat and not have cottage cheese, but that changes.

Stephanie Seymour. Now that is a truly healthy chick, and she is old now.
 
Ant
2013-01-24 03:02:47 PM

Thunderpipes: Bullying works. Always has. It is an evolutionary instinct. Taking it away just makes losers not want to improve.


And as everyone knows, we should always structure our societies around allowing natural selection to take its course completely unhindered. It's got the word natural in it! It must be good!

/Naturalistic fallacy? What's that?
 
2013-01-24 03:04:18 PM
So there's a difference between acknowledging that weight problems exist and wanting to help people (I'm not saying I agree with TFA) and this "pro-fat" or "anti-skinny" movement that is abound. Fat isn't healthy. Fat isn't normal. Fat isn't attractive to most people (to each their own - just don't think that someone is being unfair because they find you unattractive because of your weight). "supermodel skinny" isn't healthy either, but there's plenty of room between bulimic and britney.

Zelron: I don't have a thyroid problem. My wife does.

Lots of middle-aged women do.


Can be treated. Also only contributes to 5 or 10 lbs of weight gain. As soon as treatment starts you have the metabolism of someone without the problem. No excuse.
 
2013-01-24 03:06:14 PM

Thunderpipes: When you call someone healthy instead of hot, means that they are fat.


No it means they're healthy. Not the same thing. A person can be ugly and healthy.

Thunderpipes: Not to mention, that fat being young means really bad things later on. Younger people can be a little fat and not have cottage cheese, but that changes.


Well, sure. But the question of who's fat and who isn't is up for debate. I don't think that particular picture of Ms. Spears shows a fat person. It shows a healthy person-- not athletic, not overweight.
 
Ant
2013-01-24 03:11:44 PM

WhippingBoy: You know what finally motivated me to lose the weight? I was in a restaurant with some friends and passed by a couple of attractive women. One of them looked me in the eye, looked down at my body, and said "eww, gross". That triggered something inside me; I was tired of being summarily rejected and shamed. Within a year and a half, I was 100 pounds lighter and no longer felt ashamed to be out in public.


You should thank those horrible, judgmental, sorry excuses for human beings for helping you lose weight. They sound like heroes!
 
2013-01-24 03:12:08 PM

daveinsurgent: Can be treated. Also only contributes to 5 or 10 lbs of weight gain. As soon as treatment starts you have the metabolism of someone without the problem. No excuse.


Thanks Dr. Dave, where do I send the co-pay?
 
Ant
2013-01-24 03:17:26 PM

abhorrent1: Lots of white knights defending the fatties in here. Will you do the same for smokers? No? That's what I thought. Because smoking is a choice and being fat is not, right?


You don't need to smoke to live, dumbass. You do need to eat to live.

/I'll still defend your dumbass right to smoke though.
//ex-smoker
 
2013-01-24 03:44:21 PM
How about spending time with one of your fat friends (there should be plenty to choose from) and showing them your idea of healthy eating and exercise. Take them shopping and illustrate how to identify healthier purchases. If it is someone you are friends with it should be too difficult to spend time together, cook some meals together, go to the gym or park or have them join your sports team, whatever. I'm not saying you need to become their trainer and roommate. Just share your time with a friend and try to encourage them.

"I can't do that, I don't have the time, it isn't my responsibility, etc" Yeah, well, shame is a double-edged sword. Why not try contributing to the solution you unhelpful bastards.
 
2013-01-24 03:44:39 PM
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my arms are long enough

// almost
 
2013-01-24 03:45:40 PM

Thunderpipes: You will regain your weight. Gimmick dieting is no substitute for working your butt off, sweating, lifting weights, running, and relatively normal eating. Sugar addiction. What is next?


It's actually a real thing. For my metabolism, sugar provides calories but no lasting satisfaction. That's why he's calling it an addiction - the presence of excessive amounts of sugar in his diet screwed up the reward center of his brain. By 'breaking' that addiction, he's actually fixing the diet part - IE the last item on your list.

buckets_of_fun: But has anyone taken a look at how they're stimulating the economy? They're buying more food. They're buying bigger clothes (i.e. more material). They need bigger coffins. I could go on for sentences and sentences...


It's a broken window fallacy though: If they didn't need to spend more money on all that stuff, they'd be able to afford to go on vacations more, buy a bigger/better TV/house, put more into retirement savings(that they'd be able to enjoy because they'd live longer), etc...

xanadian: Makes you wonder how they got poor to begin with.


In my observations of the world, at least in the USA being 'poor' is more about spending habits than income. Rich people actually tend to have the highest spending efficiency, poor people the worst - we're talking about stuff like check cashing fees, payday loans, higher interest rates, etc.. Poor utilization of their money.

WhippingBoy: If that were true, then everyone would be fat. How is it that some people aren't? Magic beans?


We have poor mental health treatment in the USA as well; how come not everybody is going and shooting up schools? Half the USA may 'get it', or just get lucky with the chromosomes, or have grown up with a family that actually ate right. Doesn't mean it's not a cultural problem, that if we changed certain factors we might be able to get the obesity level down under 10%.
 
2013-01-24 03:52:05 PM

Firethorn: Thunderpipes: You will regain your weight. Gimmick dieting is no substitute for working your butt off, sweating, lifting weights, running, and relatively normal eating. Sugar addiction. What is next?

It's actually a real thing. For my metabolism, sugar provides calories but no lasting satisfaction. That's why he's calling it an addiction - the presence of excessive amounts of sugar in his diet screwed up the reward center of his brain. By 'breaking' that addiction, he's actually fixing the diet part - IE the last item on your list.

buckets_of_fun: But has anyone taken a look at how they're stimulating the economy? They're buying more food. They're buying bigger clothes (i.e. more material). They need bigger coffins. I could go on for sentences and sentences...

It's a broken window fallacy though: If they didn't need to spend more money on all that stuff, they'd be able to afford to go on vacations more, buy a bigger/better TV/house, put more into retirement savings(that they'd be able to enjoy because they'd live longer), etc...

xanadian: Makes you wonder how they got poor to begin with.

In my observations of the world, at least in the USA being 'poor' is more about spending habits than income. Rich people actually tend to have the highest spending efficiency, poor people the worst - we're talking about stuff like check cashing fees, payday loans, higher interest rates, etc.. Poor utilization of their money.

WhippingBoy: If that were true, then everyone would be fat. How is it that some people aren't? Magic beans?

We have poor mental health treatment in the USA as well; how come not everybody is going and shooting up schools? Half the USA may 'get it', or just get lucky with the chromosomes, or have grown up with a family that actually ate right. Doesn't mean it's not a cultural problem, that if we changed certain factors we might be able to get the obesity level down under 10%.


Have you vacationed recently? Plenty of fat people love vacations. Many just sit at home watching TV. Many buy exercise equipment as clothes hangers. I will give you the saving money deal for retirement. But because of obesity they barely reach retirement age.
 
2013-01-24 03:55:49 PM

Ant: You don't need to smoke to live, dumbass. You do need to eat to live.


You clearly don't need to eat the amount that causes you to bloat up to 400 pounds, otherwise by definition that bloating part wouldn't happen.
 
2013-01-24 04:09:25 PM
No such thing as sugar addiction, period.

Just another excuse, like alcohol addiction, heroin addiction, etc. Some people just stop doing it, because it is a choice. Sure, the body might go through withdrawal, so what? Happened to me plenty of times in my fun drinking stage. At a certain point, you just decide to stop. How hard is that?

The fact people whine about being addicted to anything just shows how far we have sunk as a society. Being fat, 99.999999% of the time is because people like to eat, and don't like to move. End of story.

And our kids are fat because we don't kick their ass out of the house after Saturday morning cartoons and let them play all day, only coming back for lunch, dinner, and then bedtime.
 
2013-01-24 04:29:53 PM

santadog: It's the sugar in everything, and it's processed food.  The country is addicted.  I was fat all my life, and ballooned over the last couple winters.  Last April I hopped on a scale after not paying attention for a couple years, and saw 261lbs.  Decided to watch some food documentaries, and viewed "Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead".  Inspiration.  The premiss: Consume nothing but fruit and veggie juices you make at home, tons of flavor recipes that are good, and because you taking in straight up nutrients and little fiber, your digestion takes a break with energy working elsewere, your body burns up a lot of fat, and you reboot your system and break the addiction of sugar, fried stuff, and too much meat.

I tried a 10 day fast.  By day 7 I knew I could do 30.   May, August, and October I did 30 day fasts, lost 100 pounds, no longer crave sugar, or any other of the bad crap.  I now cook "regular" meals, more plant based than meat, and have not only kept the weight off, and changed the way I look at food, but I also lost another 10 pounds since October bringing me down to my goal weight.  Rebooted my body.  Broke the addiction of sugar.  And, once I started it.. it was THE EASIEST THING.

Has nothing to do with lazy.  Yes, there can be underlying crap, but it's amplified by the sugar addiction, just like it would be amplified by alcohol.

/CSS


Fasts? You mean, consuming nothing? You know what that does to your metabolism long term?
 
2013-01-24 04:34:50 PM

Thunderpipes: No such thing as sugar addiction, period.

Just another excuse, like alcohol addiction, heroin addiction, etc. Some people just stop doing it, because it is a choice. Sure, the body might go through withdrawal, so what? Happened to me plenty of times in my fun drinking stage. At a certain point, you just decide to stop. How hard is that?

The fact people whine about being addicted to anything just shows how far we have sunk as a society. Being fat, 99.999999% of the time is because people like to eat, and don't like to move. End of story.

And our kids are fat because we don't kick their ass out of the house after Saturday morning cartoons and let them play all day, only coming back for lunch, dinner, and then bedtime.


Yup. Because it was easy for you to do makes it easy for everyone. Wish I'd thought of that. You should go to AA or NA or OA and tell everyone how easy it is! I'm sure they'd like the input.
 
2013-01-24 04:39:46 PM

Thunderpipes: No such thing as sugar addiction, period.


http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/complementary-medicine/201002/rec o vering-sugar-addiction-easily-overview
 
2013-01-24 04:42:22 PM
Should be
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/complementary-medicine/201002/rec o vering-sugar-addiction-easily-overview
 
2013-01-24 04:43:06 PM
The fat excuses in these kinda threads always amuse me.

//lost 20lbs July-Oct
//maintained
//want to lose 10 more so I can have the old 6 pack back.
 
2013-01-24 04:44:58 PM
"Fat acceptance" is a euphemism for "acceptance of fat women."

Women don't get to tell men what men find attractive.

We do.
 
2013-01-24 04:45:33 PM
Fatties gonna fat. Just makes my quasi-adonis physique look that much better by comparison.
 
2013-01-24 04:48:53 PM

dasbiz: Fatties gonna fat. Just makes my quasi-adonis physique look that much better by comparison.


Off topic

Phinn: "Fat acceptance" is a euphemism for "acceptance of fat women."

Women don't get to tell men what men find attractive.

We do.


Off topic
 
2013-01-24 04:53:58 PM

Super_pope: This is so farking stupid. "Cookies make me feel good so I need them sometimes! Its a real problem!" No, it farking ISN'T. No matter how much you say it it won't be true. Severe alcoholics who quit drinking DIE sometimes from the DTs if they try to do it cold turkey. You don't have to be weaned off of your farking Oreos or risk stopping your heart.


Actually, doctors do recommend weening yourself off of sugar. Quitting cold turkey can cause complications like blood sugar and metabolism issues, cold sweats, jitters, headaches, etc. Sure, severe alcoholics can die from the DTs, and sugar addiction might not cause as severe symptoms as detoxing from booze or harder drugs, but there are effects. And it's effects can be enough to discourage people who aren't exactly emotionally ready to make a lifestyle change.
 
2013-01-24 04:56:50 PM

Zelron: dasbiz: Fatties gonna fat. Just makes my quasi-adonis physique look that much better by comparison.

Off topic

Phinn: "Fat acceptance" is a euphemism for "acceptance of fat women."

Women don't get to tell men what men find attractive.

We do.

Off topic


You're off topic fatso. The topic is attempting to control what you stuff in your face hole, but you just can't seem to turn it off. :(
 
2013-01-24 05:01:01 PM

Trillian Astra: Super_pope: This is so farking stupid. "Cookies make me feel good so I need them sometimes! Its a real problem!" No, it farking ISN'T. No matter how much you say it it won't be true. Severe alcoholics who quit drinking DIE sometimes from the DTs if they try to do it cold turkey. You don't have to be weaned off of your farking Oreos or risk stopping your heart.

Actually, doctors do recommend weening yourself off of sugar. Quitting cold turkey can cause complications like blood sugar and metabolism issues, cold sweats, jitters, headaches, etc. Sure, severe alcoholics can die from the DTs, and sugar addiction might not cause as severe symptoms as detoxing from booze or harder drugs, but there are effects. And it's effects can be enough to discourage people who aren't exactly emotionally ready to make a lifestyle change.


The whole sugar thing is a red herring. Simply working out calories in, and reducing that is the way to go. When I want to lose weight I never worry about sugar beyond the calorie count. Most people avoid it just because its higher in calories, but its not a problem beyond that. No reason to cut sugar out cold turkey. Odds are if someone is so fat that this is an issue, they won't be starting at a 1500 kcal diet anyways.
 
2013-01-24 05:01:07 PM

dasbiz: You're off topic fatso. The topic is attempting to control what you stuff in your face hole, but you just can't seem to turn it off. :(


The topic was whether shaming people would make them more likely to lose weight. Not whether you're some shallow prick.
 
2013-01-24 05:05:10 PM

Pocket_Fisherman: The whole sugar thing is a red herring. Simply working out calories in, and reducing that is the way to go. When I want to lose weight I never worry about sugar beyond the calorie count. Most people avoid it just because its higher in calories, but its not a problem beyond that. No reason to cut sugar out cold turkey. Odds are if someone is so fat that this is an issue, they won't be starting at a 1500 kcal diet anyways.


When I did Weight Watchers I packed as much sugar into my points as I could because it lit me up when I ate it and not having it made me crave it even more.

Yes, ultimately it's the calories that count, both in and out. But the craving for sugar draws one towards unhealthy foods.

Is it my responsibility to deal with it? Yes. Does that make it easier for me? No. Does additional shame make it easier? No.
 
2013-01-24 05:12:49 PM

machoprogrammer: santadog: It's the sugar in everything, and it's processed food.  The country is addicted.  I was fat all my life, and ballooned over the last couple winters.  Last April I hopped on a scale after not paying attention for a couple years, and saw 261lbs.  Decided to watch some food documentaries, and viewed "Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead".  Inspiration.  The premiss: Consume nothing but fruit and veggie juices you make at home, tons of flavor recipes that are good, and because you taking in straight up nutrients and little fiber, your digestion takes a break with energy working elsewere, your body burns up a lot of fat, and you reboot your system and break the addiction of sugar, fried stuff, and too much meat.

I tried a 10 day fast.  By day 7 I knew I could do 30.   May, August, and October I did 30 day fasts, lost 100 pounds, no longer crave sugar, or any other of the bad crap.  I now cook "regular" meals, more plant based than meat, and have not only kept the weight off, and changed the way I look at food, but I also lost another 10 pounds since October bringing me down to my goal weight.  Rebooted my body.  Broke the addiction of sugar.  And, once I started it.. it was THE EASIEST THING.

Has nothing to do with lazy.  Yes, there can be underlying crap, but it's amplified by the sugar addiction, just like it would be amplified by alcohol.

/CSS

Fasts? You mean, consuming nothing? You know what that does to your metabolism long term?


Where did you see that in my comment.. that I ate nothing?
There are water fasts, fruit fasts, eat nothing fasts.. the term "Breakfast"...  ALL kinds of fasts.

I am fasting from everything except plant matter.  No meat, sugar, preservatives or additives of any type.
This is a micronutrient rich fast made from veggies and fruit that I make at home with my juicer.

One recipe for a juice fast copied from my earlier post: 4 tomatoes, 1 cucumber,  2 zuccini, 4 leaves of Kale, 1 Mustard Green, handfull of Spinach, 4 leaves Basil, Oregano, 3 carrots, 2 celery, and 1 apple.  Salt and pepper to taste, that I made FREASH... could be bad for me?  Or not enough?
 
2013-01-24 05:14:32 PM
As long as the BMI is the only way that obesity is calculated, this whole "obesity epidemic" is a sham...
 
2013-01-24 05:20:25 PM

Pocket_Fisherman: The whole sugar thing is a red herring. Simply working out calories in, and reducing that is the way to go. When I want to lose weight I never worry about sugar beyond the calorie count. Most people avoid it just because its higher in calories, but its not a problem beyond that. No reason to cut sugar out cold turkey. Odds are if someone is so fat that this is an issue, they won't be starting at a 1500 kcal diet anyways.


The issue I have with sugar is that it is a lot of empty calories and a big strain on organs like the pancreas. It is impossible, and you should not try, to eliminate all sugar from your diet, but something as simple as cutting out soft drinks or switching a vending machine packet of cookies for a clementine (if you need that sugary taste) or a spoonful of peanut butter can jump start a person into a healthier lifestyle. Simply cutting a daily can of Sprite from my diet back in high school (when I was diagnosed with PCOS and told that, given my family history, I was in danger of becoming Type II diabetic) was enough to make me lose a few pounds rather quickly, which did more towards encouraging a healthier overall lifestyle than any amount of bullying and fat-shaming ever did.
 
2013-01-24 05:23:48 PM

Zelron: Thunderpipes: No such thing as sugar addiction, period.

Just another excuse, like alcohol addiction, heroin addiction, etc. Some people just stop doing it, because it is a choice. Sure, the body might go through withdrawal, so what? Happened to me plenty of times in my fun drinking stage. At a certain point, you just decide to stop. How hard is that?

The fact people whine about being addicted to anything just shows how far we have sunk as a society. Being fat, 99.999999% of the time is because people like to eat, and don't like to move. End of story.

And our kids are fat because we don't kick their ass out of the house after Saturday morning cartoons and let them play all day, only coming back for lunch, dinner, and then bedtime.

Yup. Because it was easy for you to do makes it easy for everyone. Wish I'd thought of that. You should go to AA or NA or OA and tell everyone how easy it is! I'm sure they'd like the input.


Cults need members.

If a dumb conservative like me can, why can't super brainy liberals like Farkers? Oh noes, I am addicted to sugar, call the doctor!!! Come on. This is why we can't have nice things in this country. What the hell would we have done if the current generation went back in time to fight WW II? We would lose.
 
2013-01-24 05:27:21 PM

Zelron: dasbiz: You're off topic fatso. The topic is attempting to control what you stuff in your face hole, but you just can't seem to turn it off. :(

The topic was whether shaming people would make them more likely to lose weight. Not whether you're some shallow prick.


Off topic.

But now I'm changing the topic to: Just how fat are you?

Answer: Pretty fat, I think.

I'm changing the topic again: Are fat women attractive?

Answer: No.

Topic is changing again: Is shaming fat people (i.e., women) a good idea?

Answer: I have no idea if it will result in fewer fatties, but I don't especially care.
 
2013-01-24 05:34:56 PM

steamingpile: alephtau: Wrong target. The people who should be shamed are the greedy farks who rake in monstrous amounts of dollars by selling unhealthy addictive feed to their herds of indentured custommers.
But you would have to destroy the "capitalist" neofeudal structure of power in murika to do that, so won't happen

So instead of blaming the fat farks who eat it you blame those who make it but then this is the era when personal responsibility is out the window.

"Oh I wouldn't be a 300lb behemoth if those evil companies hadn't forced their products down my throat"

God you people are stupid.


This.

Hmmm who is to blame? The person who MADE bad choices several times a day, or the person who simply offers people a choice? Clearly it is the person who gave them a choice... if you actually blame the manufacturer, you are such a dumbass. They are responding to a demand. The problem lies with those who made the demand.

Some say shaming bad choices = bullying. In other news, telling people they need to stop smoking meth is bullying. There is a difference between making people ashamed simply of themselves, and making them selves ashamed of the choices they have made an continue to make (multiple times a day). It is valid to point out the result of their choices. Tell them they can be better, but they need to choose it and have the will power.

Another thing is the people who blame their fatness on genetics. This can be partially true for some people. Not nearly as many people as who claim it. Sure studies show that overweight people end up with overweight kids. But how much of that is genetics and how much of that is you passing your horrible lifestyle choices onto your children? I think almost all children of fat people would be healthy if raised by healthy parents instead.

As for the FEW that legitimately have severe genetic problems(I have known such a person) - sure you cannot help but to be a bit overweight. But since you gave up entirely, you have given yourself permission to loose all self control. So instead of weighing 275, you weight 435. You CAN help that. You can still develop good eating and excise habits - and they would make a severe difference. But you don't. Just because you got dealt a bad hand, you have totally given up on yourself. So I can't feel bad for you.
 
2013-01-24 05:44:12 PM
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2013-01-24 06:03:29 PM

Vodka Zombie: Haven't we been shaming fat people for decades already?


Yes. Don't we already have teenage girls developing eating disorders over fear of being fat?
 
2013-01-24 06:03:56 PM
I just spent the better part of two hours reading the comments here. Hurray sick days! I have been struggling with my weight since high school, and have recently started treatment for an eating disorder. Believe me, there is nothing you can say to me that is more hurtful or damaging than the cruelty I have unleashed on myself for the last 20 years.
 
2013-01-24 06:06:34 PM
How about we fix gym class? Mine taught me nothing and our only exercise was track which did nothing but make people hate it.

The rest of the time it was lots of softball, kickball, or overcrowded basketball where nobody moved much.
 
2013-01-24 06:07:07 PM

someonelse: ph0rk: By that same token, the dude (or dudette) in the wheelchair might be there because of their own stupidity, too.

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I have no idea who the guy is in that picture, but the look on his face just screams "PowerShart".
 
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