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2013-01-24 12:41:08 PM

Trillian Astra: emotionally eats


Key word here, emotionally. You are not chemically dependent. You do not get the shakes if you only liquify one bag of gummy bears before injecting them into your ass because you already have too many rainbow colored track marks on your arms. You are fighting a learned behavior that you have conditioned yourself to "want" to do. The only thing you are "struggling" with is the routine you have created for yourself. Its hard to break a routine, I understand that. When you're at a place where it HURTS YOU TO WALK just fighting the negative reinforcement of the physical pain of your fatness so that you can get that last palate of chocolate bars loaded into your SUV must be a herculean effort. Wouldn't it just be easier on you to not walk through the store to the candy aisle? You'd sure think so...
 
2013-01-24 12:41:43 PM

Super_pope: Zazzy: nickerj1: Halophilic: maggoo: I find it hard to believe that 64% of the US adult population has chromosomal abnormalities.

You need to find another scapegoat.

Maybe it's time we stop using a metric created by a 19th century Beligan not-doctor and gauge I don't know, actual health? "Overweight" on BMI is a joke.

I came to say this. I can't take you seriously when you cite an article that uses BMI.

I agree for more health care costs for unhealthy fat people, as someone else suggested. They do add a lot of costs to the health care industry. However, current mainstream methods for determining whether someone is healthy (ie, giving them a label of "overweight", "obese", "uber obese") based solely on number values of their height and weight is absolutely ludicrous.

Anyone who works out a lot, is military/police, or an athlete will tell you how absurd BMI is. It's completely inaccurate for people of muscular builds.

For instance, this man: Link
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Is on the edge of the "obese" rating for BMI. Is that man obese? No. Is he healthy? Yes.

If you do anything related to increasing costs, etc, for the fat people, you had better do it based on a doctor's assessment, a physical test, or something other than BMI, like body fat percentage.

It's the same as BAC, really, which also doesn't account for some types of people to accurately represent whether they're impaired, but that's a story for another day.

Your claim that just because BMI doesn't work for a pro athelete means it should never be used is pretty good grounds for no one taking you seriously. For 99% of the population it works just fine. The people who need to hear about their BMI are not pro atheletes.

I love that one too. "Oh is Vince Wilfork obese? He's a pro football player!

Let me tell you something about those guys. They're incredibly fast and strong and yes heavy, and about ten to fifteen years after they retire if they're REALLY lucky walking just hurts ...


True, even some pro atheletes are harming themselves through unhealthy weight. Another argument FOR the use of BMI. It almost always works. There are definitely exceptions, but they are so very rare.
 
2013-01-24 12:41:52 PM

StoPPeRmobile: Pizza is perfection of simplicity. Sauce, cheese, and bread yet some morans want to put pineapple on it. WTF!


[Omar voice]: Oh, indeed!
 
2013-01-24 12:43:45 PM
I remember some old guy trying to fat shame me once. I was in the 99¢ Store and I had like 6 bags in my hand. He just started going on and on about me eating all that, the usual type of stuff people say to make themselves feel superior. I just looked at him coldly and he kept going. About 15 seconds in he notices that I am at the dog treat area and that all the bags in my hands are assorted dog treats. He shut up and scurried away.
 
2013-01-24 12:44:27 PM

stonicus: Martha Dumptruck isn't even noteworthy? Maybe it's been a while since you've seen it, but she was quite huge.


Fair enough, I guess I am misremembered that. You have to give me Chunk though.
 
2013-01-24 12:46:42 PM

Super_pope: stonicus: Martha Dumptruck isn't even noteworthy? Maybe it's been a while since you've seen it, but she was quite huge.

Fair enough, I guess I am misremembered that. You have to give me Chunk though.


Yeah, he'd be average in modern society.
 
2013-01-24 12:48:29 PM

CoonAce: Obesity is caused by how much one eats, not how little one exercises.


Wrong. Balance of diet and exercise is what determines whether you gain, maintain, or lose. It's not a single variable equation.
 
2013-01-24 12:50:57 PM

hutchkc: As a super fatty I have mixed feelings on this. I think those of us that are already fat it won't help much, but might encourage younger people to not follow our path. That's what I think happened with smokers. Most people that have been smoking forever won't quit, but there aren't as many people joining the ranks. However if it goes to far you will get the opposite effect.

/boring personal story

I come from a very abusive family and we as kids were not allowed any cokes/candy/sugary items as they were deemed bad for us. They meant well, but by denying sweets it caused the cravings to be worse. As a teenager I bought some Oreos and didn't finish them while at work so I brought them home, and got a broken nose as punishment. Now I have the mentality of eating an entire bag of M&Ms so there are no leftovers, and my house always has junk food in it since it was denied as a kid.


I'm from a big family, some are fat and some are not (and a couple have one foot in each campsite).

One of my older brothers is mentally retarded (not in the endearing way). He would invariably receive more desserts and cookies and ice cream and such...Another sib complained one evening when she got only one cookie, and Horsehead (not an actual nickname) got several. My dad responded "What would you rather have, the cookies or the extra brains?"

A real card, the old man...rest his soul.

To this day, almost all of my older sibs have cookies stashed somewhere in their respective homes' kitchens. It's a matter of principle.

/Youse can have some of my cookies. It's all good, bro.
 
2013-01-24 12:51:38 PM

Super_pope: Trillian Astra: emotionally eats

Key word here, emotionally. You are not chemically dependent. You do not get the shakes if you only liquify one bag of gummy bears before injecting them into your ass because you already have too many rainbow colored track marks on your arms. You are fighting a learned behavior that you have conditioned yourself to "want" to do. The only thing you are "struggling" with is the routine you have created for yourself. Its hard to break a routine, I understand that. When you're at a place where it HURTS YOU TO WALK just fighting the negative reinforcement of the physical pain of your fatness so that you can get that last palate of chocolate bars loaded into your SUV must be a herculean effort. Wouldn't it just be easier on you to not walk through the store to the candy aisle? You'd sure think so...


Also wrong. My brain certainly tweaks when I have some good sugary food. And I can't just eat one cookie.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2235907/
 
2013-01-24 12:51:57 PM

Super_pope: onestly? How hard is it to not buy something? Just say, "You know what ,I won't buy those," and then don't buy them. I'm not even saying, "Don't eat that." Maybe that's too hard. Are you going to have some kind of problem if you just leave your money in your wallet and don't buy the thing at all? I just don't understand how literally just not going out of your way to purchase something you k



Your trying to make something logical that isn't. People don't always do what's logical and for me there is an emotional issue at play that I haven't solved.

Since you don't understand the best way to put it would be an obsessive/compulsive behavior. If I'm at a store and walk by the candy aisle my brain goes "NEED ... NOW". Not always but regularly. If I don't get anything and go home I obsess that I don't have any candy and crave it. It builds in strength and adds almost a jumpy/jittery piece to it. Eventually I feel like I have to have it ala Smeed in the Lord of the Rings.

It sounds silly and it is, but that's my personal vice. I don't drink, smoke, or do drugs ... but from what I gather it sounds like a drug addiction. The only thing that I've seen that stops that feeling is Phentermine as it seems to stop the food craving. However it only seems to work for about 2 weeks and then it fades.
 
2013-01-24 12:54:07 PM

flemardo: I remember some old guy trying to fat shame me once. I was in the 99¢ Store and I had like 6 bags in my hand. He just started going on and on about me eating all that, the usual type of stuff people say to make themselves feel superior. I just looked at him coldly and he kept going. About 15 seconds in he notices that I am at the dog treat area and that all the bags in my hands are assorted dog treats. He shut up and scurried away.


So how did they taste, fatty?


/I kid...
 
2013-01-24 12:55:08 PM

hutchkc: Since you don't understand the best way to put it would be an obsessive/compulsive behavior. If I'm at a store and walk by the candy aisle my brain goes "NEED ... NOW". Not always but regularly. If I don't get anything and go home I obsess that I don't have any candy and crave it. It builds in strength and adds almost a jumpy/jittery piece to it. Eventually I feel like I have to have it ala Smeed in the Lord of the Rings.


Don't forget driving back to the store because you need it. Can't wait for the wife and kids to go to bed to go get your fix. Yeah, it's a real thing. It's a real pain. Because one more can't hurt.
 
2013-01-24 12:56:53 PM
I can't imagine public shaming would work for the majority of people - everyone I know who is overweight is by FAR their own worst critic. Oh, and being rude to people on purpose....you should be ashamed of yourselves. Isn't the world a tough enough place without going out of your way to be unkind to people?

I come from a family of people who struggle with their weight (hell, my immediate family is all losing that battle). None of them blame anything/anyone but themselves. My motivation to never get that far is pretty strong: watching someone try to lose half their body weight is pretty excruciating if you care for them.

/love eating, don't want to get fat or become diabetic (also runs in the family)
//easier to stay thinner/lighter than to lose weight
///no gym membership at the moment, so I have nowhere to be in 26 minutes
 
2013-01-24 12:58:41 PM

WhippingBoy: Yes, that was my point. You have no control of being jewish or black or missing your legs, but you do have control over your own body (in the fast majority of cases). Comparing a morbidly obese person to a black person is intellectually dishonest.


Is it really? You're assuming that we have free will, and modern neuroscience has all but disproved that idea.
 
2013-01-24 12:59:31 PM

Super_pope: You are not chemically dependent. You do not get the shakes if you only liquify one bag of gummy bears before injecting them into your ass because you already have too many rainbow colored track marks on your arms. You are fighting a learned behavior that you have conditioned yourself to "want" to do. The only thing you are "struggling" with is the routine you have created for yourself.


To an extent you are chemically dependent (please note this does not apply to all overweight or obese people, I'm not trying to make generalizations). If food is what makes you feel better, it's because the sugar and the starchy foods are causing your body to produce things like serotonin. Can exercise give people a high? Yes. But if you're overeating due to emotional strain, the sugar will give you the immediate high you're looking for.
 
2013-01-24 12:59:55 PM

Point02GPA: Shaming works well. That's why you don't see any retards anymore.


I see plenty, like a large portion of my city has accepted that HIV is no longer a disease but a managed condition. People aren't concerned with getting HIV and in fact will actively seek out someone with HIV to become part of the social group.
 
2013-01-24 01:00:25 PM

treesloth: So they want to take a group of people that deals with shame and emotional upset by eating... and shame them and cause them emotional upset? To get them to stop eating? This sounds like "fark nymphos until they stop being nymphos". Brilliant!


Hey I have no problem with farking a nympho until she stops being a nympho.
 
2013-01-24 01:00:56 PM

Wayne 985: Thunderpipes: Bullying works. Always has. It is an evolutionary instinct. Taking it away just makes losers not want to improve.

As a former fat person, I beg to differ. I got in shape because I convinced myself of the positives. People making fun of me only made me want to withdraw and eat even more.


So, what's your substitute?
 
2013-01-24 01:01:15 PM

stonicus: Here is what modern day people call "fat".
thintimately.files.wordpress.com


No, that's what a limited group of people, usually with very warped views, call fat. Certainly not "modern day people" collectively. A few people that happen to live in modern times.
 
2013-01-24 01:01:41 PM

Xenomech: Is it really? You're assuming that we have free will, and modern neuroscience has all but disproved that idea.


I will choose free will.
 
2013-01-24 01:03:17 PM

thecpt: Xenomech: Is it really? You're assuming that we have free will, and modern neuroscience has all but disproved that idea.

I will choose free will.


You're just doing that because the neurons and chemicals in your brain told you to.
 
2013-01-24 01:03:29 PM

bluefoxicy: I see plenty, like a large portion of my city has accepted that HIV is no longer a disease but a managed condition. People aren't concerned with getting HIV and in fact will actively seek out someone with HIV to become part of the social group.


You might want to move. Like, yesterday.
 
2013-01-24 01:04:16 PM

Wayne 985: As a former fat person, I beg to differ. I got in shape because I convinced myself of the positives. People making fun of me only made me want to withdraw and eat even more.


Ditto. I'm about halfway through my weight loss. Lost about 55, have ~45 or so to go. I don't give a damn about people's comments. I do care about having trouble standing up after spending some time installing a server rack at work. So, I'm fixing it.
 
2013-01-24 01:05:07 PM

Zelron: You're just doing that because the neurons and chemicals in your brain told you to.


what? listen to rush? No, they told me to get in my car. rush was just playing.
 
2013-01-24 01:07:16 PM

MCStymie:
To this day, almost all of my older sibs have cookies stashed somewhere in their respective homes' kitchens. It's a matter of principle.

/Youse can have some of my cookies. It's all good, bro.



That's basically my guess, spite, principle, compensation, and/or whatnot. I've tried to put a logical reason behind it, but to be honest I can't. It's at a subconscious level.

I share my cookies with yous too :)
 
2013-01-24 01:07:49 PM

The Only Sane Man In Florida: Well the "fat acceptance" movements certainly aren't going to reduce obesity...


You said a mouthful, pardon the pun.

Zelron: CoonAce: Obesity is caused by how much one eats, not how little one exercises.

Wrong. Balance of diet and exercise is what determines whether you gain, maintain, or lose. It's not a single variable equation.


Of course it isn't: Calories consumed minus Calories burned determines whether you gain, maintain, or lose. Exercise can offset only a small amount of caloric intake. The caloric intake of an obese adult cannot realistically be overcome by exercise. The diet must change.
 
2013-01-24 01:10:26 PM

Xenomech: WhippingBoy: Yes, that was my point. You have no control of being jewish or black or missing your legs, but you do have control over your own body (in the fast majority of cases). Comparing a morbidly obese person to a black person is intellectually dishonest.

Is it really? You're assuming that we have free will, and modern neuroscience has all but disproved that idea.


You are correct: neuroscience has not disproved that idea. Self control, guys.
 
2013-01-24 01:14:41 PM
///Would get popcorn, but I am fat.
 
2013-01-24 01:15:36 PM

roc6783: ///Would get popcorn, but I am fat.


Fark ate my picture of a cheesecake. Fark must be fat, too. Nice.
 
2013-01-24 01:19:01 PM

StoPPeRmobile: Wayne 985: Thunderpipes: Bullying works. Always has. It is an evolutionary instinct. Taking it away just makes losers not want to improve.

As a former fat person, I beg to differ. I got in shape because I convinced myself of the positives. People making fun of me only made me want to withdraw and eat even more.

So, what's your substitute?


You serious? Encourage people on the positives. They feel better physically, they feel a sense of pride, they'll live far longer and see their kids grow up, they might get laid more often. Any number of things.

I have a co-worker who's in the process of quitting smoking. I encouraged and told her I was proud of her and that it would be great for her health. What I didn't do was yell at her for smoking in the first place and call her names.
 
2013-01-24 01:25:11 PM

CoonAce: The Only Sane Man In Florida: Well the "fat acceptance" movements certainly aren't going to reduce obesity...

You said a mouthful, pardon the pun.

Zelron: CoonAce: Obesity is caused by how much one eats, not how little one exercises.

Wrong. Balance of diet and exercise is what determines whether you gain, maintain, or lose. It's not a single variable equation.

Of course it isn't: Calories consumed minus Calories burned determines whether you gain, maintain, or lose. Exercise can offset only a small amount of caloric intake. The caloric intake of an obese adult cannot realistically be overcome by exercise. The diet must change.


That's essentially the matter at hand. Diet, aerobic exercise, and anaerobic exercise are the three things that make it all work.

You absolutely can't get by on just one of the three, and there are limited-at-best results with two.
 
2013-01-24 01:31:41 PM

thecpt: Xenomech: Is it really? You're assuming that we have free will, and modern neuroscience has all but disproved that idea.

I will choose free will.


You have no choice but to have free will.
 
2013-01-24 01:34:32 PM

flemardo: I remember some old guy trying to fat shame me once. I was in the 99¢ Store and I had like 6 bags in my hand. He just started going on and on about me eating all that, the usual type of stuff people say to make themselves feel superior. I just looked at him coldly and he kept going. About 15 seconds in he notices that I am at the dog treat area and that all the bags in my hands are assorted dog treats. He shut up and scurried away.


It's funny that people think this tactic will work with smokers.

oh wait
 
2013-01-24 01:41:15 PM

MCStymie:
One of my older brothers is mentally retarded (not in the endearing way). He would invariably receive more desserts and cookies and ice cream and such...Another sib complained one evening when she got only one cookie, and Horsehead (not an actual nickname) got several. My dad responded "What would you rather have, the cookies or the extra brains?"

A real card, the old man...rest his soul.


Your father was trying to shame him into being smart.
 
2013-01-24 01:41:22 PM

treesloth: stonicus: Here is what modern day people call "fat".
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No, that's what a limited group of people, usually with very warped views, call fat. Certainly not "modern day people" collectively. A few people that happen to live in modern times.


Why did you pick that trainwreck as your example?
 
2013-01-24 01:42:52 PM
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i like scooters
 
2013-01-24 01:44:02 PM
if i get fat it's mcdonalds fault, they have to pay for my disability cuz i can't work no more
 
2013-01-24 01:44:47 PM

Snarfangel: MCStymie:
One of my older brothers is mentally retarded (not in the endearing way). He would invariably receive more desserts and cookies and ice cream and such...Another sib complained one evening when she got only one cookie, and Horsehead (not an actual nickname) got several. My dad responded "What would you rather have, the cookies or the extra brains?"

A real card, the old man...rest his soul.

Your father was trying to shame him into being smart.


Perhaps...he IS smart enough to know that he gets cut a lot of slack.

I would have preferred the extra cookies, though.
 
2013-01-24 01:45:00 PM

StoPPeRmobile: Why did you pick that trainwreck as your example?


I didn't. I replied to someone else that did and preserved their example.
 
2013-01-24 01:53:13 PM

Zelron: Also wrong. My brain certainly tweaks when I have some good sugary food. And I can't just eat one cookie.


You may have convinced yourself that you can't just have one cookie but you don't get "sick" if you don't. Fiance lost a friend from waaaay back in highschool to a heroine overdose, I know what someone who has an ACTUAL tweak looks like.

hutchkc: It sounds silly and it is, but that's my personal vice. I don't drink, smoke, or do drugs ... but from what I gather it sounds like a drug addiction


It sounds more like someone over-dramatizing their desire for sweets. You have convinced yourself through regular reinforcement that you need that food. Bottom line, you DON'T. You feel anxious for cookies when you walk by them and don't buy them. That is very different from having your pain receptors alight all of your body, heaving vomiting, and uncontrollable shuddering. Perspective you farking child. Learn some.

Trillian Astra: But if you're overeating due to emotional strain, the sugar will give you the immediate high you're looking for.


To an extent I am addicted to praise. It makes me feel good, and when I'm feeling bad I start wanting someone to tell me how great I am. It gives me that high that makes me feel better when I don't feel so good.

This is so farking stupid. "Cookies make me feel good so I need them sometimes! Its a real problem!" No, it farking ISN'T. No matter how much you say it it won't be true. Severe alcoholics who quit drinking DIE sometimes from the DTs if they try to do it cold turkey. You don't have to be weaned off of your farking Oreos or risk stopping your heart.
 
2013-01-24 01:58:56 PM
it's my cookies i need them now!

any true bioethicist will tell you that we cannot help it, we have no free will

why are you guys blaming the victims?
 
2013-01-24 02:16:19 PM

Super_pope: Severe alcoholics who quit drinking DIE sometimes from the DTs if they try to do it cold turkey. You don't have to be weaned off of your farking Oreos or risk stopping your heart.


Wow! You did it! I'm cured! You shamed me into it! I just dropped 225 pounds! You're awesome! I don't know why I didn't think of that. I don't need the cookie! I can eat only one! Wow! I don't know how to thank you! You should tell everyone that! It will FIX THE PROBLEM!!!! I am in awe! I just can't say it enough how thankful I am!

I wish you'd posted this years ago! It would have saved me so much money and trouble! Wow! Awesome! I can't get over it!
 
2013-01-24 02:20:45 PM

jso2897: ph0rk: Expolaris: 2 years later, close to 200 miles of walking, then jogging, and now running and i'm down 130 lbs (and still going), have a happy and successful career, and have met a woman who has also lost over 100lbs. We are Team Healthy.

200 miles in 2 years? His math must be wrong or he has tapeworms.


I love how that ad has coffee, mustard, borax chips, prunes, and tomatoes in it.

I guess that's what people thought made you fat back then.

/yes I saw the bread, olive oil, and ham as well
 
2013-01-24 02:25:01 PM

treesloth: stonicus: Here is what modern day people call "fat".


No, that's what a limited group of people, usually with very warped views, call fat. Certainly not "modern day people" collectively. A few people that happen to live in modern times.


I call that overweight that seems less obvious due to the tan and bad breast augmentation. Flat and pale she'd look a bit porcine.
 
2013-01-24 02:28:09 PM

Zelron: Super_pope: Severe alcoholics who quit drinking DIE sometimes from the DTs if they try to do it cold turkey. You don't have to be weaned off of your farking Oreos or risk stopping your heart.

Wow! You did it! I'm cured! You shamed me into it! I just dropped 225 pounds! You're awesome! I don't know why I didn't think of that. I don't need the cookie! I can eat only one! Wow! I don't know how to thank you! You should tell everyone that! It will FIX THE PROBLEM!!!! I am in awe! I just can't say it enough how thankful I am!

I wish you'd posted this years ago! It would have saved me so much money and trouble! Wow! Awesome! I can't get over it!


Who cares about you? I'm going to think what I'm going to think about you based on your appearance and if you're a spheroid it's going to be bad and the responses here indicate you're going to deserve it and be "powerless" to fix it. And by powerless I mean you are a grown up child with impulse control problems who aggrandizes your shiatty little non-issues. Billions of people walk by the freezer aisle in their grocery store and don't drown themselves in soft serve each and every day.

The rest of you might think you're in some way special and that you just can't help it, and in a way I suppose that's true. You are special in that you're what we call, "pussies." You can't tolerate the slightest most trivial discomfort or delay in immediate gratification, regardless of how bad it is for you or how deep you've already dug the hole by packing yourself to bursting with anything that looked like it might POSSIBLY contain sugar in order to hold your bad feelings at bay for another few seconds.
 
2013-01-24 02:28:38 PM

Super_pope: You may have convinced yourself that you can't just have one cookie but you don't get "sick" if you don't. Fiance lost a friend from waaaay back in highschool to a heroine overdose, I know what someone who has an ACTUAL tweak looks like.


http://www.recoveryview.com/2012/05/sugar-addiction-sweet-misery-for- a ll/
http://suite101.com/article/breaking-sugar-addiction-a411892
http://www.mirror.co.uk/lifestyle/health/sugar-addiction-how-to-cut-i t -out-1282617
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-r-talbott/sugar-health_b_1396609.h t ml
 
2013-01-24 02:31:27 PM

Honest Bender: Step 1 and 2 took me 2 weeks for it to start feeling "normal." Then I started on step 3 and 4. This week, I've started on step 5. So far so good. Next up on my goals list is to find more strenuous exercise. I'm trying to find local hiking trials.


see if you can find an indoor pool (at like a YMCA or something.) You can use it year round (so cold weather, storms, etc, wont throw off your schedule) and its much easier on the joints and less likely to injure yourself. its also very good exercise. if its nice in the summer where you live, outdoor can be a nice way to change it up.
 
2013-01-24 02:32:58 PM

Super_pope: Zelron: Super_pope: Severe alcoholics who quit drinking DIE sometimes from the DTs if they try to do it cold turkey. You don't have to be weaned off of your farking Oreos or risk stopping your heart.

Wow! You did it! I'm cured! You shamed me into it! I just dropped 225 pounds! You're awesome! I don't know why I didn't think of that. I don't need the cookie! I can eat only one! Wow! I don't know how to thank you! You should tell everyone that! It will FIX THE PROBLEM!!!! I am in awe! I just can't say it enough how thankful I am!

I wish you'd posted this years ago! It would have saved me so much money and trouble! Wow! Awesome! I can't get over it!

Who cares about you? I'm going to think what I'm going to think about you based on your appearance and if you're a spheroid it's going to be bad and the responses here indicate you're going to deserve it and be "powerless" to fix it. And by powerless I mean you are a grown up child with impulse control problems who aggrandizes your shiatty little non-issues. Billions of people walk by the freezer aisle in their grocery store and don't drown themselves in soft serve each and every day.

The rest of you might think you're in some way special and that you just can't help it, and in a way I suppose that's true. You are special in that you're what we call, "pussies." You can't tolerate the slightest most trivial discomfort or delay in immediate gratification, regardless of how bad it is for you or how deep you've already dug the hole by packing yourself to bursting with anything that looked like it might POSSIBLY contain sugar in order to hold your bad feelings at bay for another few seconds.


Have you ever quit a drug addiction?

That is what many obese people have to overcome to begin reasonable weight loss. It's not easy or trivial. Relapses are real and cold-turkey is not an option.
 
2013-01-24 02:33:43 PM

Super_pope: Who cares about you? I'm going to think what I'm going to think about you based on your appearance and if you're a spheroid it's going to be bad and the responses here indicate you're going to deserve it and be "powerless" to fix it. And by powerless I mean you are a grown up child with impulse control problems who aggrandizes your shiatty little non-issues. Billions of people walk by the freezer aisle in their grocery store and don't drown themselves in soft serve each and every day.

The rest of you might think you're in some way special and that you just can't help it, and in a way I suppose that's true. You are special in that you're what we call, "pussies." You can't tolerate the slightest most trivial discomfort or delay in immediate gratification, regardless of how bad it is for you or how deep you've already dug the hole by packing yourself to bursting with anything that looked like it might POSSIBLY contain sugar in order to hold your bad feelings at bay for another few seconds.


Wow, you have anger issues. What did some fattie do to you to make you so intolerant that you would judge someone by their looks? Although I do not have a metabolic problem, my wife does because she has thyroid issues. I'm pretty sure she didn't choose to have that.

I feel sorry for you. You must live a hollow life with all of that anger. Let me know if there's anything I can do for you.
 
2013-01-24 02:34:28 PM

Zelron: http://www.mirror.co.uk/lifestyle/health/sugar-addiction-how-to-cut-i t -out-1282617


"When first cutting down on sugar, you'll probably experience headaches and feel grumpy and lethargic for a few days.

But after a week you'll start to feel better and be amazed at how quickly your addiction fades. Here's how to do it painlessly but effectively."

Yea, that is too hard. it would be like a WHOLE WEEK of monday
 
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