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2013-01-24 10:48:02 AM  

Zelron: radiumsoup: assuming you're telling the truth, then if you had been a smoker as a kid, you'd probably still be smoking now. Social stigmas obviously don't work for everyone (including you), or there'd be no smoking at all right now. But in the aggregate, it has a very marked effect. There are virtually no quarters given to smokers, they're treated as vile and disgusting and literally prohibited from publicly participating in the activities which society hates. Fat folks, on the other hand, are coddled and told that it's probably just genetic, encouraged to eat healthy by their doctors and peers, and giggled at by kids in the supermarket, if at all. Anti-smokers have gone to the extreme in shaping society's expectations of smokers. Anti-fatties just point and laugh, with no real teeth... yet (although the recent NYC ordinances are a first step in what I see as a rolling snowball which will set off the avalanche of formally stigmatizing weight through legislation.)

There's not only second hand smoke, but there's third hand smoke (the tar and crap that sticks to everything). Smokers throw their cigarette butts all over the place. Smoking has NO health benefits at all. You have to eat. You can go cold turkey and quit smoking. You can go cold turkey and quit eating and die. Alcoholics can't have just a small drink because it sets them off. Fatties like me, well, there's food everywhere and you have to eat. Yah, we have control problems. Yah, most of us don't exercise (but many do). My wife would go to the gym and spend 30 minutes on a stair master every day and was still pretty heavy. Exercise doesn't work for everyone.

I don't know why most people quit smoking. Frankly, I wouldn't give a shiat if people smoked as long as I didn't have to smell it or as long as they didn't poison their kids by smoking around them.

So stop equating being a smoker with being fat.


30mins on the treadmill will burn you about 2 beers worth of calories. exercise is NOTHING compared to eating right. fix your diet. exercise to tone and feel better, but losing weight is about your caloric intake, period. unless youre a serious athlete or lead a very active lifestyle as a freakin mountain or marathon runner youre not going to burn enough calories consistently to ever "make a dent" in the gut if you got one. you have to drop the calories. eat real, nutritious food, and cut the carbs.

its easier said than done sure but that's the ticket. eating 3000 calories a day and exercising for 35mins is still probably gonna be a net caloric gain.
 
2013-01-24 10:48:12 AM  

Carth: Halophilic: maggoo: I find it hard to believe that 64% of the US adult population has chromosomal abnormalities.

You need to find another scapegoat.

Maybe it's time we stop using a metric created by a 19th century Beligan not-doctor and gauge I don't know, actual health? "Overweight" on BMI is a joke.

I think if we measured "actual health" the rate would be even worst. There are plenty of thin people who can't do basic things like "Run a 5k, squat their body weight, touch their toes" that don't put on weight because they eat right.


Waist circumference to height is a better measure by all accounts. When compared to BMI in the same population, however, the correlation is extremely high.

No, BMI isn't a clinical diagnosis. Yes, if your BMI is well over 30 or 35, you've likely got problems.
 
2013-01-24 10:48:47 AM  

un4gvn666: GAT_00: Just imagine how much the outrage for this statement would be if you replaced obesity with homosexuality.

Apples and orangutans.


I refuse to shame orangutans. They really can't help being hairy.
 
2013-01-24 10:48:47 AM  

GAT_00: Just imagine how much the outrage for this statement would be if you replaced obesity with homosexuality.


Are you suggesting homosexuality is something people choose to be? Or because they can't get the will power to be straight?
 
2013-01-24 10:48:48 AM  

buckets_of_fun: Carth: The Angry Hand of God: I assume it is also OK to punch an asshole in the face for not minding their own damn business, correct?

Sure, but since obesity adds around 190 billion a year to health care costs making sure fat people lose weight is everyone's business.

But has anyone taken a look at how they're stimulating the economy? They're buying more food. They're buying bigger clothes (i.e. more material). They need bigger coffins. I could go on for sentences and sentences...

I'm gonna reach out on a limb and say they do more for the economy than harm it.


They are not buying bikes, speedo, sports equipment, or anything like that, either.
 
2013-01-24 10:48:50 AM  

Vodka Zombie: Haven't we been shaming fat people for decades already


Yes.. but the PC people (who shall rot in hell) have made the humiliation of fat
people one of those taboo subjects. I mean if you're a fat lesbian with a lazy eye
and you're black... you're bullet proof in this country!
 
2013-01-24 10:49:14 AM  

hbk72777: "If you are overweight or obese, are you pleased with the way that you look?"


This is great, let's line the streets with posters demeaning everyone

"If you are black or dark brown, are you pleased with the way that you look?"

"If you are Jewish or have a big honker, are you pleased with the way that you look?"

"If you are in a wheelchair or missing legs, are you pleased with the way that you look?"


This right here is wrong with you fat farks, you equate being fat with things that a person has no control over. How about you quit parking so close to the building and taking the elevator up 2 floors, Fatty McFatterson?
 
2013-01-24 10:49:27 AM  

WhippingBoy: stonicus: WhippingBoy: stonicus: WhippingBoy: I battled with weight issues for most of my life. When I was 32, I lost 100 pounds over the course of a year and a half.

You know what finally motivated me to lose the weight? I was in a restaurant with some friends and passed by a couple of attractive women. One of them looked me in the eye, looked down at my body, and said "eww, gross". That triggered something inside me; I was tired of being summarily rejected and shamed. Within a year and a half, I was 100 pounds lighter and no longer felt ashamed to be out in public.

So don't tell me that fat shaming doesn't work. It may not be the solution for everyone, but it certainly changed my life.

You need to go find that woman again, seduce her, woo her, get her to fall in love with you... then right before you stick it in, stand up and say "nah, I'd rather jerk off..." then walk out, after taking a dump on the floor.

Why would I do that? In retrospect, she did me a huge favour.

That same comment from her could have also been the push that made someone go home and kill themselves. She got lucky. Her unsolicited comment to you was reckless and dangerous

Oh Christ, how old are you??? You may not have noticed, but the world isn't all puppies and rainbows. If your goal is to stop people from being "mean", good luck to you, you're going to need it.


Calm down... seriously, why did that upset you so much??
 
2013-01-24 10:50:13 AM  

Carth: bighairyguy: MikeBoomshadow: Plus, when this guy inevitably runs across a fat person he shouldn't have bullied, how much does reconstructive orthodontic surgery add?

I'm about 100 pounds overweight and my physical trainer just told me I had too much muscle.  Sent me to a massage therapist who said working on me was like trying to massage a brick.  Bring it, bio-weenie!

If that is the case your trainer should get you into powerlifting.


I'm 57, so I'll just stick to discus and shot put.
 
2013-01-24 10:50:49 AM  
FTA: "He must not have any contact with actual free-range fat people," she added.

Listen, biatch - there's no such thing as free-range fat people.

\no, zooming around Walmart on your Rascal does not count as "free-range"
 
2013-01-24 10:51:10 AM  

Thunderpipes: Imagine how many problems could be solved if people stopped making excuses?


Getting back to the main point, the shaming isn't going to help. We're already shamed up the wazoo.
 
2013-01-24 10:51:23 AM  

Queensowntalia: steamingpile: Queensowntalia: If weight issues are linked with mental issues, adding psychological attacks is only going to make the problem worse. I have struggled with both depression and my weight for years, and articles like these, and the resulting Fark "all fat people should go kill themselves" threads haven't motivated me to exercise, they've made me want to hurt myself and/or drink myself into a stupor. It's hard enough for me to leave the house to begin with. Please don't make it even harder.

Then we set up extra large suicide booths for fat asses to take care of themselves, problem solved.

Your depression is driven partly by a self image issue if you can't fix that then there is no hope for you, getting out of the house has nothing to do with it, you are on the internet and there are a shiat ton of sites of workouts you can do at home. Expercise also releases endorphins to make you feel better so its win-win, bottom line is just exercise anywhere you can and quit making excuses.

Thank goodness I have a shrink appointment today, because your comment doesn't make me feel motivated, it makes me want to die (apparently thats A-OK, though).

Getting out of the house has everything to do with it. I have to, to get to work, to buy groceries, to live my life. leaving is made more difficult by constantly feeling humiliated. I can't magically stay locked in my condo until I'm thin. That's not how it works. :P

I don't know why I'm in this thread. They always end the same for me, crying at my desk and wishing I were home getting drunk.


And you could substitute the alcohol for sliding a chair over and doing half dips or half push ups. Start off slow and you will find it easier to progress into a healthier state.

I know from experience, after my third rotator cuff surgery I got up to 270 and was depressed after being a lifter my entire life. Now I'm back down to 215 lifting almost as much as I did when I was a kid and lower body fat than at any point of my life.

Start slow but keep going, exercise is good for mental health.
 
2013-01-24 10:51:31 AM  

santadog: Thunderpipes: santadog: chaosangel: santadog: It's the sugar in everything, and it's processed food.  The country is addicted.  I was fat all my life, and ballooned over the last couple winters.  Last April I hopped on a scale after not paying attention for a couple years, and saw 261lbs.  Decided to watch some food documentaries, and viewed "Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead".  Inspiration.  The premiss: Consume nothing but fruit and veggie juices you make at home, tons of flavor recipes that are good, and because you taking in straight up nutrients and little fiber, your digestion takes a break with energy working elsewere, your body burns up a lot of fat, and you reboot your system and break the addiction of sugar, fried stuff, and too much meat.

I tried a 10 day fast.  By day 7 I knew I could do 30.   May, August, and October I did 30 day fasts, lost 100 pounds, no longer crave sugar, or any other of the bad crap.  I now cook "regular" meals, more plant based than meat, and have not only kept the weight off, and changed the way I look at food, but I also lost another 10 pounds since October bringing me down to my goal weight.  Rebooted my body.  Broke the addiction of sugar.  And, once I started it.. it was THE EASIEST THING.

Has nothing to do with lazy.  Yes, there can be underlying crap, but it's amplified by the sugar addiction, just like it would be amplified by alcohol.

/CSS

Good for you! As a health care professional, I applaud this!

Thank you for that.  And since you are a health care professional, I will also tell you that when I started the first fast in May, I was border line Hypertension, Diabetic, and Blood Pressure tipped into the bad zone.  I just saw my doctor just before the second fast ended, and EVERYTHING was way into the normal ranges.  I couldn't believe how fast the changes happened.  Normal blood pressure and not even close to hypertension and diabetes.

No real health professional will tell you fasting your weight away is the way to go. Not ...


Oh, okay. I will just look at the peer reviewed studies on fasting as a weight loss and lifestyle being the way to go..

Wait, it isn't.

Even if it works for you short term, you are not fixing the problem. A person could do heroin and lose 50 pounds no problem. Have they beaten obesity? Why can't you lose weight via exercise and a normal diet? Oh, it's too hard?
 
2013-01-24 10:51:33 AM  

hbk72777: "If you are overweight or obese, are you pleased with the way that you look?"


This is great, let's line the streets with posters demeaning everyone

"If you are black or dark brown, are you pleased with the way that you look?"

"If you are Jewish or have a big honker, are you pleased with the way that you look?"

"If you are in a wheelchair or missing legs, are you pleased with the way that you look?"


This is great you think being black is analogous to being fat.
 
2013-01-24 10:51:37 AM  

ph0rk: stonicus: That same comment from her could have also been the push that made someone go home and kill themselves. She got lucky. Her unsolicited comment to you was reckless and dangerous

Don't want unsolicited comments? Don't go out in public.


Don't want a slap? Don't make impolite unsolicited comments.
 
2013-01-24 10:52:05 AM  

DuncanMhor: ph0rk: stonicus: That same comment from her could have also been the push that made someone go home and kill themselves. She got lucky. Her unsolicited comment to you was reckless and dangerous

Don't want unsolicited comments? Don't go out in public.

Don't want a slap? Don't make impolite unsolicited comments.


One of those things is actionable, and it isn't the comment.

Don't be stupid.
 
2013-01-24 10:52:41 AM  

DubtodaIll: The only way to get anyone to do anything is to make them want to do it. You certainly can make someone want to lose weight by embarrassing them on a daily basis so that they will want to end the embarrassment. However it's much easier to show them how much better their life would be if they were fit. The first and normal response to criticism is defensiveness. The first and normal response to something better is to want it.


This is true, but everyone has already been shown how much ebtter life is when you're healthy. I don't think anyone coudl ahve missed that, even the obese can admit that they'd prefer to be a healthy body weight. We're now on option 2: ridicule as a motivator.
 
2013-01-24 10:53:41 AM  
If you require that "society" needs to change in order to feel good about yourself, you're doomed.
If you feel that *you* need to change in order to feel good about yourself, you've got a fighting chance.
 
2013-01-24 10:53:46 AM  

Carth: isn't trading EBT purchased products for cash considered fraud? If so they are committing crimes to get them.


Yah, but that's beside the point.
An interesting story in the same vein:
There was this company in Maine that was selling organic milk and putting it in glass recyclable bottles with a $1 deposit. People were buying the milk with food stamps, then pouring the milk out and returing the bottle to get the cash.
 
2013-01-24 10:54:25 AM  

Zazzy: DubtodaIll: The only way to get anyone to do anything is to make them want to do it. You certainly can make someone want to lose weight by embarrassing them on a daily basis so that they will want to end the embarrassment. However it's much easier to show them how much better their life would be if they were fit. The first and normal response to criticism is defensiveness. The first and normal response to something better is to want it.

This is true, but everyone has already been shown how much ebtter life is when you're healthy. I don't think anyone coudl ahve missed that, even the obese can admit that they'd prefer to be a healthy body weight. We're now on option 2: ridicule as a motivator.


Yeah, I can't speak for anyone else, but I understand perfectly how much better for you a healthy diet and exercise can be. I just don't farking do it.
 
2013-01-24 10:54:40 AM  

Thunderpipes: santadog: Thunderpipes: santadog: chaosangel: santadog: It's the sugar in everything, and it's processed food.  The country is addicted.  I was fat all my life, and ballooned over the last couple winters.  Last April I hopped on a scale after not paying attention for a couple years, and saw 261lbs.  Decided to watch some food documentaries, and viewed "Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead".  Inspiration.  The premiss: Consume nothing but fruit and veggie juices you make at home, tons of flavor recipes that are good, and because you taking in straight up nutrients and little fiber, your digestion takes a break with energy working elsewere, your body burns up a lot of fat, and you reboot your system and break the addiction of sugar, fried stuff, and too much meat.

I tried a 10 day fast.  By day 7 I knew I could do 30.   May, August, and October I did 30 day fasts, lost 100 pounds, no longer crave sugar, or any other of the bad crap.  I now cook "regular" meals, more plant based than meat, and have not only kept the weight off, and changed the way I look at food, but I also lost another 10 pounds since October bringing me down to my goal weight.  Rebooted my body.  Broke the addiction of sugar.  And, once I started it.. it was THE EASIEST THING.

Has nothing to do with lazy.  Yes, there can be underlying crap, but it's amplified by the sugar addiction, just like it would be amplified by alcohol.

/CSS

Good for you! As a health care professional, I applaud this!

Thank you for that.  And since you are a health care professional, I will also tell you that when I started the first fast in May, I was border line Hypertension, Diabetic, and Blood Pressure tipped into the bad zone.  I just saw my doctor just before the second fast ended, and EVERYTHING was way into the normal ranges.  I couldn't believe how fast the changes happened.  Normal blood pressure and not even close to hypertension and diabetes.

No real health professional will tell you fasting your weight away is the way ...


Emerging studies are showing intermittent fasting as a viable long term weight loss strategy. It is something you can do indefinitely and creates a calorie deficiency for the week without slowing down your metabolism. It will take decades to know the long term risks though.
 
2013-01-24 10:55:13 AM  

ph0rk: Expolaris: 2 years later, close to 200 miles of walking, then jogging, and now running and i'm down 130 lbs (and still going), have a happy and successful career, and have met a woman who has also lost over 100lbs. We are Team Healthy.

200 miles in 2 years? His math must be wrong or he has tapeworms.


Looks like it's time to put my money where my mouth is.

i45.tinypic.com

I said close to 200 miles recorded on my NikePlus Running app, i should be hitting that in the next few weeks. Love this app, it's been a great tool for me to really see how my times have gone from barely being able to walk a 22 minute mile to hitting close to a 10 minute mile.
/motivated
 
2013-01-24 10:55:53 AM  

Zelron: Thunderpipes: Imagine how many problems could be solved if people stopped making excuses?

Getting back to the main point, the shaming isn't going to help. We're already shamed up the wazoo.


That's not true. In some cases shaming does help. Shame can be a very powerful motivator.
If you've cast yourself in the role of the "victim", then yeah, shaming (or anything) probably won't help.
 
2013-01-24 10:56:03 AM  

LineNoise: bighairyguy: He sounds like he wants to justify his need to be a bully.

So pointing out to someone, an adult nonetheless, that they live an unhealthy lifestyle now counts as bullying?

If you are over the age of 15 and are complaining about being bullied, you probably have it coming.


I have no doubt that most of the same people who shake their tiny fists in impotent rage at Bloomberg for his ban on gigantic sodas and at Michelle Obama for encouraging people to eat a farking salad now and then, will also wholly support shaming fat people.
 
2013-01-24 10:56:26 AM  

Helena Handbasket: bighairyguy: He sounds like he wants to justify his need to be a bully.

Putting up a billboard saying "If you are overweight, are you happy with how you look?" can hardly be considered bullying.


He wants more than that.  FTA: "Still, Callahan, a former smoker, argued that public shunning of those who lit up led to plunging rates of cigarette use."  Yeah, right.  Not all reformed smokers are self-righteous a-holes, but this guy is.
 
2013-01-24 10:56:33 AM  

Expolaris: ph0rk: Expolaris: 2 years later, close to 200 miles of walking, then jogging, and now running and i'm down 130 lbs (and still going), have a happy and successful career, and have met a woman who has also lost over 100lbs. We are Team Healthy.

200 miles in 2 years? His math must be wrong or he has tapeworms.

Looks like it's time to put my money where my mouth is.

[i45.tinypic.com image 640x960]

I said close to 200 miles recorded on my NikePlus Running app, i should be hitting that in the next few weeks. Love this app, it's been a great tool for me to really see how my times have gone from barely being able to walk a 22 minute mile to hitting close to a 10 minute mile.
/motivated


good job! You made a change and stuck with it and seem to be much happier as a result.

It is sad that you don't have any nike+ friends though :(
 
2013-01-24 10:56:38 AM  

xanadian: That article sounds fat.


This thread sounds fat.
 
2013-01-24 10:56:48 AM  

LineNoise: I gave up smoking mainly because you knew people looked at you and said, "man, you are an idiot for smoking". The other things help, sure, but eventually you have to make someone not want to be a smoker\fat\whatever.


This.  Of course, you can't say "dbirchall, you are an idiot for being 70 pounds overweight," because there isn't really a correlation there.  But "dbirchall, you are an idiot for drinking Mtn Dew on your long night shift  even though you know that it makes you fat and will probably fark up your pancreas bigtime if you don't stop" is absolutely, totally true and right.

Shaming people out of  doing things that they and we all know are bad for them is a lot better than shaming them for the results of those things they've already done.  Prevention vs. cure, and all that.
 
2013-01-24 10:56:52 AM  

Thunderpipes: We should step up the shame if anything.

Have a nationwide campaign of shame. We should. Obesity is killing us, and killing our kids. In one generation (maybe two) kids have tripled in obesity rates. The reasons are very simple. Kids don't play enough. They turn into adults who don't play enough. It is not soda, or McDonalds, or anything else. We had worse food when I was a kid. But you could eat 4 hamburgers, then play for 8 hours and still be skinny.

Being fat is not a disease, not a mental condition. It is just being lazy and unmotivated. So shame the crap out of kids from a young age. Sure, you might lose a couple in the process, but you would lose them anyway to fat health problems.


He's kinda making sense here, if you ask me.

I'm not going to feel sorry for someone who makes bad life decisions. We all make mistakes from time to time, but we have to own those mistakes. Personal responsibility.

I've had bad days - work, boss, girlfriend, family, what have you. But I don't go home and shove a whole pizza or bottle of vodak down my throat to cope with it. If you're someone who has to do that then I have no sympathy for you. You are the weaker of our species. In nature the rest of the herd would shun you and keep you on the periphery of its ranks so that the predators would get you.

I like chips, and Dr. Pepper, and pie, and cake, and bacon, and all kinds of junk foods. But I don't make them a regular meal. I know better. How it is that other people cannot know better than that and act on it is beyond me. I have no sympathy.

Now, I'm not going to walk around pointing at fat people saying, "you're fat! You need to eat better!" Or shout "get a job!" at the off-season Burners begging for change at every stop light in south Austin. That's not my job. Not my concern. If they can't figure those things out for themselves then fark 'em.

Just as long as their poor decision making skills do not interfere with my life. Fatty McFattersons are already causing a strain on our healthcare system. So maybe shame from those who have to pay more to make up the diff is appropriate.

Thin the herd. In one way or another.
 
2013-01-24 10:58:09 AM  

Thunderpipes: santadog: Thunderpipes: santadog: chaosangel: santadog: It's the sugar in everything, and it's processed food.  The country is addicted.  I was fat all my life, and ballooned over the last couple winters.  Last April I hopped on a scale after not paying attention for a couple years, and saw 261lbs.  Decided to watch some food documentaries, and viewed "Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead".  Inspiration.  The premiss: Consume nothing but fruit and veggie juices you make at home, tons of flavor recipes that are good, and because you taking in straight up nutrients and little fiber, your digestion takes a break with energy working elsewere, your body burns up a lot of fat, and you reboot your system and break the addiction of sugar, fried stuff, and too much meat.

I tried a 10 day fast.  By day 7 I knew I could do 30.   May, August, and October I did 30 day fasts, lost 100 pounds, no longer crave sugar, or any other of the bad crap.  I now cook "regular" meals, more plant based than meat, and have not only kept the weight off, and changed the way I look at food, but I also lost another 10 pounds since October bringing me down to my goal weight.  Rebooted my body.  Broke the addiction of sugar.  And, once I started it.. it was THE EASIEST THING.

Has nothing to do with lazy.  Yes, there can be underlying crap, but it's amplified by the sugar addiction, just like it would be amplified by alcohol.

/CSS

Good for you! As a health care professional, I applaud this!

Thank you for that.  And since you are a health care professional, I will also tell you that when I started the first fast in May, I was border line Hypertension, Diabetic, and Blood Pressure tipped into the bad zone.  I just saw my doctor just before the second fast ended, and EVERYTHING was way into the normal ranges.  I couldn't believe how fast the changes happened.  Normal blood pressure and not even close to hypertension and diabetes.

No real health professional will tell you fasting your weight away is the way ...


You do realize there is more than one way to fast.
Water Fasting is one of them.
Nothing but eating fruit is another.
Eating nothing at all is a way.  Thus the term "Breakfast".

How is it, that a fast of 72 ounces of juice that contains the juice of: 4 tomatoes, 1 cucumber,  2 zuccini, 4 leaves of Kale, 1 Mustard Green, handfull of Spinach, 4 leaves Basil, Oregano, 3 carrots, 2 celery, and 1 apple.  Salt and pepper to taste, that I made FREASH... could be bad for me?  Or not enough?

How about: 1 entire pineapple, 1 cucumber, some cilantro, 2 apples, ginger, and mint?

It's a vegan diet.. JUICED.

There's more than one way to skin a cat.
There's more than one way to fast.
 
2013-01-24 10:58:25 AM  

Thunderpipes: Imagine how many problems could be solved if people stopped making excuses?


holyfarkingshiat all of THIS!
 
2013-01-24 10:59:04 AM  
 
2013-01-24 10:59:05 AM  

WhippingBoy: Zelron: WhippingBoy: xanadian: WTF Indeed: Make being fat cost prohibitive. If the fatty wants healthcare he'll need to spend three times as much. If the fatty wants that extra large bucket of fried chicken it'll be $40. Simple economics. No shaming required.

It works for cigarette smoking...

Not sure if serious.
The only people I know who buy cigarettes are the ones that can't afford it.

So how do they buy them then?

Misplaced priorities. From what I've seen, it goes something like this:
1. Cigarettes
2. Booze
3. Pot
4. Bingo/Lottery Tickets
5. Food for family
6. Rent
7. New video game
8. If there's anything left over, bills


Makes you wonder how they got poor to begin with.
 
2013-01-24 11:00:12 AM  

chaosangel: Queensowntalia: steamingpile: Queensowntalia: If weight issues are linked with mental issues, adding psychological attacks is only going to make the problem worse. I have struggled with both depression and my weight for years, and articles like these, and the resulting Fark "all fat people should go kill themselves" threads haven't motivated me to exercise, they've made me want to hurt myself and/or drink myself into a stupor. It's hard enough for me to leave the house to begin with. Please don't make it even harder.

Then we set up extra large suicide booths for fat asses to take care of themselves, problem solved.

Your depression is driven partly by a self image issue if you can't fix that then there is no hope for you, getting out of the house has nothing to do with it, you are on the internet and there are a shiat ton of sites of workouts you can do at home. Expercise also releases endorphins to make you feel better so its win-win, bottom line is just exercise anywhere you can and quit making excuses.

Thank goodness I have a shrink appointment today, because your comment doesn't make me feel motivated, it makes me want to die (apparently thats A-OK, though).

Getting out of the house has everything to do with it. I have to, to get to work, to buy groceries, to live my life. leaving is made more difficult by constantly feeling humiliated. I can't magically stay locked in my condo until I'm thin. That's not how it works. :P

I don't know why I'm in this thread. They always end the same for me, crying at my desk and wishing I were home getting drunk.

Honey, don' listen to them. I enjoy farkers, but surely you've noticed that many of them have nothing nice to say about most women. And there are several that always seem to come to the defense, but either way, please don't give a damn about what ANYONE thinks or says about you. Go get the book "The Four Agreements". NOW.


Contrary to what people think here I see nothing wrong with women having a couple of extra pounds. Just keep it in check, some of these people eat so much they look like jaba the hutt and that's insane. It always pisses me off when I see them taking down some fat asses wall of their house to get them out, just seal it up.
 
2013-01-24 11:00:55 AM  

Thunderpipes: Oh, okay. I will just look at the peer reviewed studies on fasting as a weight loss and lifestyle being the way to go..

Wait, it isn't.

Even if it works for you short term, you are not fixing the problem. A person could do heroin and lose 50 pounds no problem. Have they beaten obesity? Why can't you lose weight via exercise and a normal diet? Oh, it's too hard?


WTF. Now you're complaining about how someone lost weight? Troll douchebag.
 
2013-01-24 11:00:57 AM  
This thread is reminding me that I said I wanted to make lemon pie soon. Might be time to go get the stuff for it.

The thing with obesity is that it has multiple causes. Between the emotional eating, the lack of knowledge, the genetic predispositions, the fact that the US has a major sweet tooth and loads shiat that in other parts of the world wouldn't have added sugars or corn syrup, a culture of dependency where people trade one addiction for another (I'm looking at you, dad. You quit drinking but eat chocolate ice cream to unhealthy extremes). All of this leads to issues with obesity. It isn't as simple as "eat less, move more" for most people. It's the WAY they eat and WHEN they eat and WHAT they eat and WHY they eat. It's a lack of understanding of their own bodies and metabolisms. Health classes are now optional in a lot of school districts, hell there weren't even home economics classes offered by the time I left high school. And cheap and easy isn't always healthy.

This isn't just a matter of "stop being fat, fatty", it has to do with the food culture in the US over all.
 
2013-01-24 11:01:19 AM  

Expolaris: 2 years later, close to 200 miles of walking, then jogging, and now running and i'm down 130 lbs (and still going), have a happy and successful career, and have met a woman who has also lost over 100lbs. We are Team Healthy.


It helps to have a support structure. I have almost zero support structure. My parents and friends are always trying to cram nasty food in front of my face.. At least I'm not obese, but I could easily tip that way. I think the thing that keeps me from turning into a fattie is that I'm a goddamn narcissist. :P
 
2013-01-24 11:01:22 AM  
Why can't people be nice?
 
2013-01-24 11:01:58 AM  

Trillian Astra: This isn't just a matter of "stop being fat, fatty", it has to do with the food culture in the US over all.


If that were true, then everyone would be fat. How is it that some people aren't? Magic beans?
 
2013-01-24 11:02:19 AM  

Expolaris: I said close to 200 miles recorded on my NikePlus Running app, i should be hitting that in the next few weeks. Love this app, it's been a great tool for me to really see how my times have gone from barely being able to walk a 22 minute mile to hitting close to a 10 minute mile.
/motivated


People should be walking 2 miles per day.

Congrats on your total, but I am arguing it should be much higher.

running 200 miles, asusming 400 lbs, and 10 mph is 1200 hours so ~65,280 calories.

I suppose that would amount to -627 calories per week which is pretty good. It also amounts to less than two miles run per week, which seems bad.

There is probably plenty of other activity not accounted for.
 
2013-01-24 11:03:42 AM  

cowsspinach: Why can't people be nice?


Why can't people take responsibility for their own feelings?
 
2013-01-24 11:05:17 AM  
i have no problem with this.

/underweight and just got denied food stamps
//all the fat asses that can live off their stored fat for weeks didn't seem to have a problem getting them
///they should feel bad for being fatty fat fattersons
 
2013-01-24 11:05:18 AM  

WhippingBoy: Zelron: Thunderpipes: Imagine how many problems could be solved if people stopped making excuses?

Getting back to the main point, the shaming isn't going to help. We're already shamed up the wazoo.

That's not true. In some cases shaming does help. Shame can be a very powerful motivator.
If you've cast yourself in the role of the "victim", then yeah, shaming (or anything) probably won't help.


You're right. I'm a victim. I suck. I'm a bad person. I hate myself. If it wasn't for my kids I'd blow my farking head off. You know better. You're awesome. You have all the answers. You're great. Want my kids? Maybe they'll be better off with you. I could see if you could replace me at work, too. Maybe my wife would love you more. My family too---my brothers and sisters, my parents, cousins. You would be so much better than me. Oh I wish I were you.
 
2013-01-24 11:05:57 AM  
As someone who was shamed as a youngster for being fat and is now teh sexay, I can confirm this.
 
2013-01-24 11:06:01 AM  
There are NO lazy skinny people.
 
2013-01-24 11:06:10 AM  

Expolaris: 2 years later, close to 200 miles of walking, then jogging, and now running


That's not very many miles for two years of walking and such.  There's something wrong with your app, that number should be much higher.  I've walked 150 miles in a month (weight ~300) and lost 12 pounds.
 
2013-01-24 11:06:20 AM  

Expolaris: ph0rk: Expolaris: 2 years later, close to 200 miles of walking, then jogging, and now running and i'm down 130 lbs (and still going), have a happy and successful career, and have met a woman who has also lost over 100lbs. We are Team Healthy.

200 miles in 2 years? His math must be wrong or he has tapeworms.

Looks like it's time to put my money where my mouth is.


I think his point was, and I am not trying to be rude here, that 200 miles in 2 years isn't going to do that much for weight loss.

If you have never really exercised I can see it being a big thing, especially at that weight, and good on you for doing it.
 
2013-01-24 11:06:35 AM  

WhippingBoy: Trillian Astra: This isn't just a matter of "stop being fat, fatty", it has to do with the food culture in the US over all.

If that were true, then everyone would be fat. How is it that some people aren't? Magic beans?


I love beans, Mr. Taggart!!!
 
2013-01-24 11:07:42 AM  

Zelron: WhippingBoy: Zelron: Thunderpipes: Imagine how many problems could be solved if people stopped making excuses?

Getting back to the main point, the shaming isn't going to help. We're already shamed up the wazoo.

That's not true. In some cases shaming does help. Shame can be a very powerful motivator.
If you've cast yourself in the role of the "victim", then yeah, shaming (or anything) probably won't help.

You're right. I'm a victim. I suck. I'm a bad person. I hate myself. If it wasn't for my kids I'd blow my farking head off. You know better. You're awesome. You have all the answers. You're great. Want my kids? Maybe they'll be better off with you. I could see if you could replace me at work, too. Maybe my wife would love you more. My family too---my brothers and sisters, my parents, cousins. You would be so much better than me. Oh I wish I were you.


That's more like it.
 
2013-01-24 11:07:47 AM  

santadog: There are NO lazy skinny people.


But they can be a little cranky and judgmental though.
 
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