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2013-01-24 11:07:42 AM

Zelron: WhippingBoy: Zelron: Thunderpipes: Imagine how many problems could be solved if people stopped making excuses?

Getting back to the main point, the shaming isn't going to help. We're already shamed up the wazoo.

That's not true. In some cases shaming does help. Shame can be a very powerful motivator.
If you've cast yourself in the role of the "victim", then yeah, shaming (or anything) probably won't help.

You're right. I'm a victim. I suck. I'm a bad person. I hate myself. If it wasn't for my kids I'd blow my farking head off. You know better. You're awesome. You have all the answers. You're great. Want my kids? Maybe they'll be better off with you. I could see if you could replace me at work, too. Maybe my wife would love you more. My family too---my brothers and sisters, my parents, cousins. You would be so much better than me. Oh I wish I were you.


That's more like it.
 
2013-01-24 11:07:47 AM

santadog: There are NO lazy skinny people.


But they can be a little cranky and judgmental though.
 
2013-01-24 11:08:09 AM

Halophilic: maggoo: I find it hard to believe that 64% of the US adult population has chromosomal abnormalities.

You need to find another scapegoat.

Maybe it's time we stop using a metric created by a 19th century Beligan not-doctor and gauge I don't know, actual health? "Overweight" on BMI is a joke.


I came to say this. I can't take you seriously when you cite an article that uses BMI.

I agree for more health care costs for unhealthy fat people, as someone else suggested. They do add a lot of costs to the health care industry. However, current mainstream methods for determining whether someone is healthy (ie, giving them a label of "overweight", "obese", "uber obese") based solely on number values of their height and weight is absolutely ludicrous.

Anyone who works out a lot, is military/police, or an athlete will tell you how absurd BMI is. It's completely inaccurate for people of muscular builds.

For instance, this man: Link
www1.cdn.sherdog.com

Is on the edge of the "obese" rating for BMI. Is that man obese? No. Is he healthy? Yes.

If you do anything related to increasing costs, etc, for the fat people, you had better do it based on a doctor's assessment, a physical test, or something other than BMI, like body fat percentage.

It's the same as BAC, really, which also doesn't account for some types of people to accurately represent whether they're impaired, but that's a story for another day.
 
2013-01-24 11:08:24 AM

Expolaris: ph0rk: Expolaris: 2 years later, close to 200 miles of walking, then jogging, and now running and i'm down 130 lbs (and still going), have a happy and successful career, and have met a woman who has also lost over 100lbs. We are Team Healthy.

200 miles in 2 years? His math must be wrong or he has tapeworms.

Looks like it's time to put my money where my mouth is.

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I said close to 200 miles recorded on my NikePlus Running app, i should be hitting that in the next few weeks. Love this app, it's been a great tool for me to really see how my times have gone from barely being able to walk a 22 minute mile to hitting close to a 10 minute mile.
/motivated


200 miles in 2 years is a 1/4 mile a day.

RevMark: I've had bad days - work, boss, girlfriend, family, what have you. But I don't go home and shove a whole pizza or bottle of vodak down my throat to cope with it. If you're someone who has to do that then I have no sympathy for you. You are the weaker of our species. In nature the rest of the herd would shun you and keep you on the periphery of its ranks so that the predators would get you.


Technology moves faster than evolution. Our ability to grow and distribute food has increased faster than the "eat every chance you get" traits have been weeded out. Doesn't matter if someone tells you it is bad, that internal dialogue, your instincts, are hard to shut up. It's also why we still have people in this day and age who think "might makes right" and that as long as they can physically dominate someone then it is justification to impose their will on others. And with such a large and thinned out gene pool, we may never remove these types of traits from society.

I like chips, and Dr. Pepper, and pie, and cake, and bacon, and all kinds of junk foods. But I don't make them a regular meal. I know better. How it is that other people cannot know better than that and act on it is beyond me. I have no sympathy.

Some people are just really dumb. Some people are banking of medical science coming up with the magical cure-all pill. Some people have never truly suffered and are quick to dismiss future complications in life. Some people just don't care. If someone has been overweight/unhealthy their entire life, they may be unaware of how rewarding it can be to be truly healthy. Like a movie or TV show everyone says to watch. It may look boring and tedious from the outside, so it is easy to dismiss it. But it could turn out to be your favorite thing of all time ever.

Now, I'm not going to walk around pointing at fat people saying, "you're fat! You need to eat better!" Or shout "get a job!" at the off-season Burners begging for change at every stop light in south Austin. That's not my job. Not my concern. If they can't figure those things out for themselves then fark 'em.

Just as long as their poor decision making skills do not interfere with my life. Fatty McFattersons are already causing a strain on our healthcare system. So maybe shame from those who have to pay more to make up the diff is appropriate.

The health of society affects everyone, so it is your concern. Though, I'm glad you don't go all "get a job" or "mooooo cow" on people you pass in the street.
 
2013-01-24 11:08:42 AM

ph0rk: Expolaris: I said close to 200 miles recorded on my NikePlus Running app, i should be hitting that in the next few weeks. Love this app, it's been a great tool for me to really see how my times have gone from barely being able to walk a 22 minute mile to hitting close to a 10 minute mile.
/motivated

People should be walking 2 miles per day.

Congrats on your total, but I am arguing it should be much higher.

running 200 miles, asusming 400 lbs, and 10 mph is 1200 hours so ~65,280 calories.

I suppose that would amount to -627 calories per week which is pretty good. It also amounts to less than two miles run per week, which seems bad.

There is probably plenty of other activity not accounted for.


Oh tons of it man, you are not wrong in assuming it's a bigger number.

This is just what i've got recorded on my app, i try to remember to record my run with the app 3 days a week, and run on the treadmill at the gym for 30 minutes, and then lift weights other 3 days a week with Sundays off. I'm sure the grand total is WAY higher than 185, but for just the ones i remembered to record i'm rather proud of that number.
 
2013-01-24 11:09:04 AM
Shaming doesn't work when they outnumber you. I live in the Central Valley in California and there is no shortage of fat and/or stupid people here.

People always tell me "Oh you're SO skinny" and I respond with "Not really, I am right in the middle for my BMI"

Consequently when someone tells me I'm smart I respond with "I'm not smart, I'm just not stupid....there's a difference"
 
2013-01-24 11:09:53 AM
Add truck scales to grocery checkout lines and tax purchases of unhealthy food by fat people. The more you weigh, the higher the tax.
 
2013-01-24 11:10:18 AM

cowsspinach: Why can't people be nice?


Something to do with the monkeysphere...
 
2013-01-24 11:10:21 AM

WhippingBoy: cowsspinach: Why can't people be nice?

Why can't people take responsibility for their own feelings?


You're right. 2+ for you.
 
2013-01-24 11:12:03 AM

nickerj1: I came to say this. I can't take you seriously when you cite an article that uses BMI.


We had a PC1 on my ship who weight 260 lbs and was 6'2". Obese, right? No...this guy was solid muscle.

I also take issue where "BMI" is the defining factor. It should be body fat percentage. But that requires, like, extra effort and math and shiat.
 
2013-01-24 11:13:00 AM

liam76: I think his point was, and I am not trying to be rude here, that 200 miles in 2 years isn't going to do that much for weight loss.

If you have never really exercised I can see it being a big thing, especially at that weight, and good on you for doing it.


All else held equal, it would have resulted in 0.5 lb of weight loss per week (or at least a caloric deficit leading to same)


Oh, and assuming 5mph running and 150 lbs it comes to 472 calories burned per week.

OTOH, walking 2 miles at 4mph and 150lbs weight is 175 calories burned per day, which is 1225 calories per week. That's only 30 minutes of walking, too.
 
2013-01-24 11:13:44 AM
Anything as long as it gets rid of fat chicks in ads

www.thedailypudding.com

Sorry porkers.
 
2013-01-24 11:14:17 AM
Fat people already hate themselves.  Mocking them is just going to make them eat more.  What fat people really need is education about nutrition and exercise and the support to make healthy lifestyle changes.  Quite a few would probably also benefit from some therapy.

Here's what I've been doing to start losing weight:
Step 1: Get my soda addiction/consumption down to reasonable levels. I went from multiple energy drinks a day to 1 regular can a day.  The rolling headaches were tough, but they passed.
Step 2: Don't buy fast food crap for breakfast.  Now I pack a healthy breakfast every morning. It takes all of 15 minutes.
Step 3: Start exercising every day. Even if it's just a little.  I like to go on walks through the neighborhood.  I can get in a good 2ish mile walk in about 45 minutes.  It's not hard and it's getting me in the habit of doing <i>some</i> exercise every day.
Step 4: No more daily soda.  I wont stop myself from having one if I'm out eating or something, but soda is no longer a part of my daily diet.
Step 5: Plan, prepare, and eat better meals at home.  This one was a bit tough, but I discovered a bonus benefit:  I can scale back my food portions.  And cooking isn't really that hard...

Step 1 and 2 took me 2 weeks for it to start feeling "normal."  Then I started on step 3 and 4.  This week, I've started on step 5.  So far so good.  Next up on my goals list is to find more strenuous exercise.  I'm trying to find local hiking trials.

Don't shame fat people in an attempt to motivate them.  Support them.  It takes more than diet and exercise to lose weight. It takes serious life style changes.  Those are HARD!  They take time.  If I had one piece of advice to give, it's don't try and do it all at once.  I've been spacing my progress out over the last 4 weeks.  Make a small change, stick with it, and use the positive feelings as motivation to introduce the next small change.  They add up.

/End rant.
 
2013-01-24 11:14:19 AM

cowsspinach: WhippingBoy: cowsspinach: Why can't people be nice?

Why can't people take responsibility for their own feelings?

You're right. 2+ for you.


You're both right. Pluses for everyone!
 
2013-01-24 11:15:31 AM

nickerj1: Anyone who works out a lot, is military/police, or an athlete


Because most of the overweight and obese americans fall into those categories, right?

BMI is a simple metric. Go get a body fat measurement, BP measurement, blood cholesterol measurement to be sure. All BMI is for is to tell you "holy shiat, go see a doctor".

Unless, of course, we are talking about the aggregate, in which case BMI works reasonably well. As I said above, waist circumference / height works better, but BMI correlates with that figure (in a representative sample) remarkably well.
 
2013-01-24 11:16:37 AM

WhippingBoy: If that were true, then everyone would be fat. How is it that some people aren't? Magic beans?


Just like how not all skinny people have good cholesterol or are in physically good shape. There are exceptions to every rule and lots of people out there are more informed than others. But not everyone. Look at the ingredients for your typical loaf of bread that's affordable for someone making the average income for the US. Or look at the shiat that sells for cheap on the sales ads. Macaroni and cheese in a box? Hamburger Helper? Hell not even most yogurt is healthy these days because of the insane amounts of sugar.
 
2013-01-24 11:17:22 AM

OscarTamerz: Anything as long as it gets rid of fat chicks in ads

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Sorry porkers.


I hope your trolling. I would pursue 2 of those girls without shame and 3 of them are completely normal looking.

/young and fit
//third one of the normals I wouldn't hit on is because fros are annoying.
///speaking from experience
 
2013-01-24 11:19:31 AM
 
2013-01-24 11:21:35 AM
Yes because obese people have such high self-esteem.

Perhaps we should try this pressure on bioethicists in the hopes that they will find a more useful career path?
 
2013-01-24 11:21:44 AM

xanadian: nickerj1: I came to say this. I can't take you seriously when you cite an article that uses BMI.

We had a PC1 on my ship who weight 260 lbs and was 6'2". Obese, right? No...this guy was solid muscle.

I also take issue where "BMI" is the defining factor. It should be body fat percentage. But that requires, like, extra effort and math and shiat.


There are certainly exceptions where BMI is a poor indicator, but on average, having a BMI over 30 is not healthy. Most (most being the operative word) people who do are not athletes.
 
2013-01-24 11:22:03 AM

ph0rk: nickerj1: Anyone who works out a lot, is military/police, or an athlete

Because most of the overweight and obese americans fall into those categories, right?

BMI is a simple metric. Go get a body fat measurement, BP measurement, blood cholesterol measurement to be sure. All BMI is for is to tell you "holy shiat, go see a doctor".

Unless, of course, we are talking about the aggregate, in which case BMI works reasonably well. As I said above, waist circumference / height works better, but BMI correlates with that figure (in a representative sample) remarkably well.


Yeah that argument is stupid, anyone who has a high BMI that looks like that knows they aren't at risk as do their doctors. I'm at 215-220, according to most of those charts I'm obese except its not flab, some is and I could quit eating my 2 times a week snack cakes but the fact I am benching more than my step nephew when he's thinner and 15 years younger makes me think I'm doing OK.
 
2013-01-24 11:22:10 AM
It seems mean,
but avoiding a truth
(yer disgustingly obese)
sems more like huggy-nannystate shiat.

Don't like it
lose weight
you'll be happier.
pinkie promise
 
2013-01-24 11:22:20 AM

Trillian Astra: WhippingBoy: If that were true, then everyone would be fat. How is it that some people aren't? Magic beans?

Just like how not all skinny people have good cholesterol or are in physically good shape. There are exceptions to every rule and lots of people out there are more informed than others. But not everyone. Look at the ingredients for your typical loaf of bread that's affordable for someone making the average income for the US. Or look at the shiat that sells for cheap on the sales ads. Macaroni and cheese in a box? Hamburger Helper? Hell not even most yogurt is healthy these days because of the insane amounts of sugar.


while i agree that there is a severe problem in american food culture (also probably a massive conspiracy pushed by the FDA and big pharma to keep our society sick... *adjusts tin foil hat*), there is also a problem with the general populace refusing to take personal responsibility for eating healthy. you can. it's not that difficult. it's called educating yourself, then looking at labels and buying fresh vegetables at the grocery store.
 
2013-01-24 11:22:57 AM

xanadian: WTF Indeed: Make being fat cost prohibitive. If the fatty wants healthcare he'll need to spend three times as much. If the fatty wants that extra large bucket of fried chicken it'll be $40. Simple economics. No shaming required.

It works for cigarette smoking...


Well, when applied to health care I agree. Your driving record influences your car insurance, and physical issues you can control (like smoking & eating too much/poorly) should influence your health insurance.
 
2013-01-24 11:25:33 AM
If it didn't work with queers, why would work with fatties?
 
2013-01-24 11:26:12 AM
and EEEEEVRYONE makes fun of the little guy in New York . . . NO you can't drink a hogs head of crappy corn syrup water NO.

We could just tell the factory to stop putting CRAP into our food but that would interfere with stock prices and dividends.
If it's good food then it's expensive.
If it's good food then you don't need or WANT to eat a metric ass load of it every time you sit down.

Hey! Look! DIABETUS- is on the decline!
Heart Surgeons can't make payments on the house in TAOS
Hey Look! You actually out lived your parents!

If you really want a wake up, look at a documentary from the 1970's that has crowd shots
Not a fat person in them nevermind an obese person.
Here, it takes a minute or so but towards the end there's a lot of crowd shots-

Link

aint no fatty's there -
Watch it - no really - WATCH IT! WATCH IT NOW!!
It's the food fool, it's the food.
 
2013-01-24 11:27:37 AM
No one's better than everyone else, and everyone's the best at everything!

/amidoingitrite?
 
2013-01-24 11:28:10 AM

Zelron: WhippingBoy: Zelron: Thunderpipes: Imagine how many problems could be solved if people stopped making excuses?

Getting back to the main point, the shaming isn't going to help. We're already shamed up the wazoo.

That's not true. In some cases shaming does help. Shame can be a very powerful motivator.
If you've cast yourself in the role of the "victim", then yeah, shaming (or anything) probably won't help.

You're right. I'm a victim. I suck. I'm a bad person. I hate myself. If it wasn't for my kids I'd blow my farking head off. You know better. You're awesome. You have all the answers. You're great. Want my kids? Maybe they'll be better off with you. I could see if you could replace me at work, too. Maybe my wife would love you more. My family too---my brothers and sisters, my parents, cousins. You would be so much better than me. Oh I wish I were you.


Well, what's it gonna take? You can't play with your kids without getting winded? play a little longer each time. make an effort. take them on a walk. a little kid can do a mile; so can you, and you'll feel better for it. I lost 15 lbs when my first brat started walking just by going to the park every day and walking with him. stay positive m8
 
2013-01-24 11:28:48 AM
Shame has its place: it can be remarkably effective in preventing people from going down destructive paths. In doing so, it could very well help reduce the growth of obesity as a long-term problem. But it's not so effective against people who are already well down those paths, and so it doesn't do well in the short term or even the medium term. Other measures will be needed to deal with them.
 
2013-01-24 11:29:29 AM

santadog: There are NO lazy skinny people.


There are but bigots are pretty stupid and need clear, visual targets in order to discriminate properly (skin color, gender, big yellow star on your chest).
 
2013-01-24 11:32:01 AM

WhippingBoy: No one's better than everyone else, and everyone's the best at everything!

/amidoingitrite?


If you are doing an impression of an overly smug loser trying to be snarky then you nailed it.
 
2013-01-24 11:32:52 AM

jaybeezey: If it didn't work with queers, why would work with fatties?


9/10 should get a dozen or more bites
 
2013-01-24 11:32:56 AM

my alt's alt's alt: while i agree that there is a severe problem in american food culture (also probably a massive conspiracy pushed by the FDA and big pharma to keep our society sick... *adjusts tin foil hat*), there is also a problem with the general populace refusing to take personal responsibility for eating healthy. you can. it's not that difficult. it's called educating yourself, then looking at labels and buying fresh vegetables at the grocery store.


I agree. People definitely need to know what goes into their food and they need to understand how that effects their body. Like I said in my first (ahem) post, it's a food culture thing as a whole. How we see food (a tasty and healthy meal vs filling and easy*) plays a part. Gone are the days when people knew what went into their food and how to prepare satisfying meals that were also healthy. It's sad.

*yes, I know these things aren't necessarily mutually exclusive.
 
2013-01-24 11:33:32 AM

Shadow Blasko: So, suicide is your solution... or maybe just some more mindless violence when someone snaps from being picked on... because that never happens..


I mean, picking on a person for being fat is mean.... obviously. And unethical for a variety of reason.

Picking on "fat people" however, isn't so clear cut. I mean, with smoking, we just said over and over, 6 - 12 times a day, "smoking is bad for you", "smoking kills", "Smoking causes lung cancer", "Here's a picture of a diseased lung"

And smoking levels have dropped. This isn't so much about making currently fat people feel uncomfortable in society, it's about making the process of becoming fat less appealing. Nobody tries to get fat. Nobody tries to get addicted to nicotine. We're all just apes with 10 thousand year old brains trying to operate in a world we made far too complicated with our desire to grow and prosper. It's not about shaming people, it's about creating a culture of 'shame' around activities that are, frankly, shameful. Eating 5000 calories a day and living a completely sedentary lifestyle is, I'm sorry, disgusting, and obscene. I'm not going to tell someone who is obese that they should feel bad about themselves, they probably already do. But maybe a campaign in which we show disgusting piles of extracted fat from a liposuction, or what a kidney that has been swimming in 60% body fat looks like after a few decades? Something to say, being fat isn't just shiatty, it's REALLY unhealthy, and when you think about it, gross.

Don't stigmatize fat people, but do stigmatize behavior that leads to fat people.

/drtfa, so he might be trying to justify harassing fat strangers in NYC or something...
//But the idea that we as a society are responsible for our cultural attitudes towards destructive behavior is nothing new.
///Bulemia comes to mind. Romans had their vomitoriums. Now we think that is gross and we don't condone that behavior.
 
2013-01-24 11:35:18 AM

Diogenes: bighairyguy: He sounds like he wants to justify his need to be a bully.

I feel I need to redeem myself from my earlier snark to say "THIS."


So I can't rag on smokers now?
 
2013-01-24 11:35:47 AM

trappedspirit: Raise the cost of ammunition junk food to make it cost prohibitive.


You could also try lowering the cost of healthy food. But then again, yanno, soshulizzm.
 
2013-01-24 11:36:05 AM

Thunderpipes: WTF Indeed: Make being fat cost prohibitive. If the fatty wants healthcare he'll need to spend three times as much. If the fatty wants that extra large bucket of fried chicken it'll be $40. Simple economics. No shaming required.

We should.

We make being successful cost prohibitive, being male, being white, why not fat? They pay more for life insurance, why not health insurance?

Maybe you dems can make universal life insurance the next big thing? That would be a hoot.


Holy shiat. Is there ANYTHING you don't have completely ass backwards? This is a parody, right? Am I on TV?
 
2013-01-24 11:36:29 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Oh look, the same strategy gun control advocates are trying to use on gun owners.


Are gun owners satisfied with how they look?
 
2013-01-24 11:38:01 AM

hitlersbrain: WhippingBoy: No one's better than everyone else, and everyone's the best at everything!

/amidoingitrite?

If you are doing an impression of an overly smug loser trying to be snarky then you nailed it.


Then my work here is done.
 
2013-01-24 11:38:22 AM

Queensowntalia: If weight issues are linked with mental issues, adding psychological attacks is only going to make the problem worse. I have struggled with both depression and my weight for years, and articles like these, and the resulting Fark "all fat people should go kill themselves" threads haven't motivated me to exercise, they've made me want to hurt myself and/or drink myself into a stupor. It's hard enough for me to leave the house to begin with. Please don't make it even harder.


Now I'm depressed and want cheesecake.

Well said.
 
2013-01-24 11:39:39 AM

Father_Jack: Zelron: radiumsoup: assuming you're telling the truth, then if you had been a smoker as a kid, you'd probably still be smoking now. Social stigmas obviously don't work for everyone (including you), or there'd be no smoking at all right now. But in the aggregate, it has a very marked effect. There are virtually no quarters given to smokers, they're treated as vile and disgusting and literally prohibited from publicly participating in the activities which society hates. Fat folks, on the other hand, are coddled and told that it's probably just genetic, encouraged to eat healthy by their doctors and peers, and giggled at by kids in the supermarket, if at all. Anti-smokers have gone to the extreme in shaping society's expectations of smokers. Anti-fatties just point and laugh, with no real teeth... yet (although the recent NYC ordinances are a first step in what I see as a rolling snowball which will set off the avalanche of formally stigmatizing weight through legislation.)

There's not only second hand smoke, but there's third hand smoke (the tar and crap that sticks to everything). Smokers throw their cigarette butts all over the place. Smoking has NO health benefits at all. You have to eat. You can go cold turkey and quit smoking. You can go cold turkey and quit eating and die. Alcoholics can't have just a small drink because it sets them off. Fatties like me, well, there's food everywhere and you have to eat. Yah, we have control problems. Yah, most of us don't exercise (but many do). My wife would go to the gym and spend 30 minutes on a stair master every day and was still pretty heavy. Exercise doesn't work for everyone.

I don't know why most people quit smoking. Frankly, I wouldn't give a shiat if people smoked as long as I didn't have to smell it or as long as they didn't poison their kids by smoking around them.

So stop equating being a smoker with being fat.

30mins on the treadmill will burn you about 2 beers worth of calories. exercise is NOTHING compared ...


HIIT will alter your metabolism to burn more calories even when you aren't exercising.
 
2013-01-24 11:39:58 AM
Inexpensive, healthy, TASTY, snack foods that have a decent shelf life.

Let's hope someone invents them soon.

Eating is the only pleasure many Americans have the time and money to enjoy today.
 
2013-01-24 11:41:45 AM

Carth: The Angry Hand of God: I assume it is also OK to punch an asshole in the face for not minding their own damn business, correct?

Sure, but since obesity adds around 190 billion a year to health care costs making sure fat people lose weight is everyone's business.


Do we really want to continue down that road? Once we cure the fat epidemic will that fix all our monetary probs... or will there be another boogey man after that?

Seems like this could be a way for Americans to seriously box themselves in and limit freedoms which we otherwise would want to be perceived as cherishing. Hey, it might be that freedom is just too expensive for the 21st cent
 
2013-01-24 11:42:26 AM

Point02GPA: Shaming works well. That's why you don't see any retards anymore.


ABLEIST!

/some communities I'm on actually do get upset over the r-word
//I always say it's an insult to the mentally disabled to compare them with normal brained people who just don't try
 
2013-01-24 11:44:06 AM
Shaming doesn't work on truly fat people. That said, I'm just kinda fat and I'm pretty ashamed about it. My blubber isn't about some kind of medical BS, it's just me being lazy and sloppy. I should be shamed. No, truly fat people are that way because of something medical or mental that causes them to be that way. They need help simple social shaming can't provide.
 
2013-01-24 11:45:30 AM
If I have to choose between a society of fat people and a society of bullying, I think I'm more okay with fat people.
 
2013-01-24 11:45:49 AM

hitlersbrain: Inexpensive, healthy, TASTY, snack foods that have a decent shelf life.


Apples and oranges. They last well over 2 weeks with or without a fridge. Also, I'm a fan of pb and toast.
 
2013-01-24 11:46:35 AM
Vodka Zombie: "Haven't we been shaming fat people for decades already?"

I think this guy is talking about something other than yelling "look at the fattie!"

I believe he's talking more about the "charging them for two seats" sort of thing.

Ya know: not just expanding the size of everything to fit them and adjusting our sense of 'normal' to accommodate their habit.
But considering amenities that *do* fit them as exceptional and charge accordingly. etc.

e.g. Changing all sizes back to what they should be. Forcing the fatties to confront their outsized portions and repercussions by name: "I'd like the XXXL soda" and "I need the 54-inch pants". Rather than just moving the "large" soda serving from 8 to 32 ounces and changing "size 40" from a 40-inch waist to a 52-inch waist (with an elastic extension to enable another 4-6 inches).
 
2013-01-24 11:46:55 AM

plewis: Shaming doesn't work on truly fat people. That said, I'm just kinda fat and I'm pretty ashamed about it. My blubber isn't about some kind of medical BS, it's just me being lazy and sloppy. I should be shamed. No, truly fat people are that way because of something medical or mental that causes them to be that way. They need help simple social shaming can't provide.


But there are other factors too, because though you admit you're ashamed, have you done anything about it? I know I haven't. That means shaming itself, even on only overweight, not obese, people, doesn't work that well either. If shaming is supposed to inspire activity, I can't speak for anyone else, but it ain't working.
 
2013-01-24 11:47:29 AM
I consider myself fortunate that my many vices cannot be perceived by others at a glance. If I gained weight for every beer I drank or hour I spent on the internet or cigarette I smoked, I'd be as large as they come. As it happens, I am not. I am fortunate enough that my vices have not manifested themselves in form of obesity. If all vices resulted in obesity you would not encounter skinny people.
 
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