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2013-01-24 10:32:52 AM  

Queensowntalia: If weight issues are linked with mental issues, adding psychological attacks is only going to make the problem worse. I have struggled with both depression and my weight for years, and articles like these, and the resulting Fark "all fat people should go kill themselves" threads haven't motivated me to exercise, they've made me want to hurt myself and/or drink myself into a stupor. It's hard enough for me to leave the house to begin with. Please don't make it even harder.


Oh, suck it up, will ya? Life is hard for everyone, and I bet your life is cozier than the one a lot of people have.
 
2013-01-24 10:33:00 AM  

Zelron: LineNoise: Zelron: WhippingBoy: xanadian: WTF Indeed: Make being fat cost prohibitive. If the fatty wants healthcare he'll need to spend three times as much. If the fatty wants that extra large bucket of fried chicken it'll be $40. Simple economics. No shaming required.

It works for cigarette smoking...

Not sure if serious.
The only people I know who buy cigarettes are the ones that can't afford it.

So how do they buy them then?

by me?

Either by trading their WIC\EBT stuff for cash at 50 cents or so on the dollar, or buying them literally one cigarette a time at a 100% markup.

So they can afford them since they're buying them.


isn't trading EBT purchased products for cash considered fraud? If so they are committing crimes to get them.
 
2013-01-24 10:33:24 AM  

Latinwolf: Point02GPA: Shaming works well. That's why you don't see any retards anymore.

Not true, Thunderpipes is still around


i lolled
 
2013-01-24 10:33:40 AM  

hbk72777: "If you are overweight or obese, are you pleased with the way that you look?"


This is great, let's line the streets with posters demeaning everyone

"If you are black or dark brown, are you pleased with the way that you look?"

"If you are Jewish or have a big honker, are you pleased with the way that you look?"

"If you are in a wheelchair or missing legs, are you pleased with the way that you look?"


I wonder how many other people in this thread I am going to be add to the list of people tagged with "no problem comparing being fat and being black".
 
2013-01-24 10:33:54 AM  
This may be the fattest ITG thread I've ever seen. Okay, most ITGs are fat just not openly so.
 
2013-01-24 10:34:08 AM  

Zelron: They were banned everywhere because NON-smokers were getting lung cancer thank you very much. I'm sure that they'd ban eating in the work place if every time I ate a bag of M&Ms I took a dump in your mouth.


try again, sport - they were banned everywhere because of the FEAR that non-smokers were getting lung cancer, something that, while widely published, carries no statistical significance over the baseline non-smoker incidence of lung cancer. Government sponsored studies carry the same types of objectives in "science" as studies by the cigarette companies... he who funds the study gets the favorable bias.

Yoda had it wrong... it's Fear -> hate -> shaming. Fat folks, your time under the microscope is coming. Soon.
 
2013-01-24 10:34:17 AM  

MadSkillz: It's hard for me to eat healthy, because if I eat too lightly I get all light headed and I get visual distortions in my vision, like someone is pressing on my eyeballs.


You're eating too little, not too healthy. My guess -- caloric density is getting the better of you. If you eat a lot of high-density foods and you want to change your diet, the obvious answer is to eat less. If you also try to switch to a 'healthy' diet (say, whole foods rather than processed ones), you are starving yourself. In my experience you can eat almost any amount you want if you stick to natural foods (excluding some things like peanut butter, which even in pure form is incredibly calorie dense) and you'll never get enough calories to gain weight. The calorie density really is that much lower. So if you're revamping your diet, set nutritional goals and then analyze everything you're eating to make sure it's meeting those goals. If you don't have protein and dressing on your salad, you'll have to eat a bucket of it to get enough calories to make it a meal.
 
2013-01-24 10:35:09 AM  

xanadian: And there are genetic conditions that either make people more prone to being fat, or outright can't help it. A lot of those chromosomal abnormalities can cause it (i.e. Angelman syndrome).


I find it hard to believe that 64% of the US adult population has chromosomal abnormalities.

You need to find another scapegoat.
 
2013-01-24 10:35:10 AM  

bighairyguy: MikeBoomshadow: Plus, when this guy inevitably runs across a fat person he shouldn't have bullied, how much does reconstructive orthodontic surgery add?

I'm about 100 pounds overweight and my physical trainer just told me I had too much muscle.  Sent me to a massage therapist who said working on me was like trying to massage a brick.  Bring it, bio-weenie!


If that is the case your trainer should get you into powerlifting.
 
2013-01-24 10:35:26 AM  

Zazzy: Thunderpipes: We should step up the shame if anything.

Have a nationwide campaign of shame. We should. Obesity is killing us, and killing our kids. In one generation (maybe two) kids have tripled in obesity rates. The reasons are very simple. Kids don't play enough. They turn into adults who don't play enough. It is not soda, or McDonalds, or anything else. We had worse food when I was a kid. But you could eat 4 hamburgers, then play for 8 hours and still be skinny.

Being fat is not a disease, not a mental condition. It is just being lazy and unmotivated. So shame the crap out of kids from a young age. Sure, you might lose a couple in the process, but you would lose them anyway to fat health problems.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. Excerise isn't everything. In fact the amount you have to move to burn off a lot of calories makes it a poor weight-control plan. A better plan is healthy food. It actually IS the soda, McDonalds and all the other bad foods. Activity helps but it can only cure so much. I think that may be part of why we're in this mess: that very logic. At some point that amount of extra calories from bad food surpasses anything an average child could burn off. After that they're fat enough that physical activity becomes uncomfortable, but they're still get the whole MOVE MORE message, rather than the eating healthy one.


And you realize, of course, and in shape person with good muscle mass burns many more calories at rest, right? You really think exercise is just to burn off calories? Exercise is awesome, because it improves every area of your life, and you can eat more and maintain weight. This is why diet alone almost never works for long term health. Look up the stats, plenty of studies.
 
2013-01-24 10:35:38 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Vodka Zombie: Haven't we been shaming fat people for decades already?

I think once you reach a certain level of fat, you become invulnerable.

If you find yourself feeling entitled to a free scooter in every building you go to and are willing to take disability benefits for being fat, shame is an odd concept in your world.


He agrees:
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2013-01-24 10:36:41 AM  

maggoo: If you are fat then shut your mouth once in a while.


If stupid people would do the same thing, the world would be a much more pleasant place.
 
2013-01-24 10:37:15 AM  

Queensowntalia: steamingpile: Queensowntalia: If weight issues are linked with mental issues, adding psychological attacks is only going to make the problem worse. I have struggled with both depression and my weight for years, and articles like these, and the resulting Fark "all fat people should go kill themselves" threads haven't motivated me to exercise, they've made me want to hurt myself and/or drink myself into a stupor. It's hard enough for me to leave the house to begin with. Please don't make it even harder.

Then we set up extra large suicide booths for fat asses to take care of themselves, problem solved.

Your depression is driven partly by a self image issue if you can't fix that then there is no hope for you, getting out of the house has nothing to do with it, you are on the internet and there are a shiat ton of sites of workouts you can do at home. Expercise also releases endorphins to make you feel better so its win-win, bottom line is just exercise anywhere you can and quit making excuses.

Thank goodness I have a shrink appointment today, because your comment doesn't make me feel motivated, it makes me want to die (apparently thats A-OK, though).

Getting out of the house has everything to do with it. I have to, to get to work, to buy groceries, to live my life. leaving is made more difficult by constantly feeling humiliated. I can't magically stay locked in my condo until I'm thin. That's not how it works. :P

I don't know why I'm in this thread. They always end the same for me, crying at my desk and wishing I were home getting drunk.


Honey, don' listen to them. I enjoy farkers, but surely you've noticed that many of them have nothing nice to say about most women. And there are several that always seem to come to the defense, but either way, please don't give a damn about what ANYONE thinks or says about you. Go get the book "The Four Agreements". NOW.
 
2013-01-24 10:37:35 AM  

Carth: On-Off: Carth: The Angry Hand of God: I assume it is also OK to punch an asshole in the face for not minding their own damn business, correct?

Sure, but since obesity adds around 190 billion a year to health care costs making sure fat people lose weight is everyone's business.

just not true.

if you live a healthier life, you are gona live longer, and still die of some kind of cancer, so actualy costing more.
In the long run, the fatties and the smockers cost less as the average, because they die younger.
Idealy, just around retirement age.

"Obesity Now Costs Americans More In HealthCare Spending Than Smoking"


well, from your linked article:

""Smokers die early enough that they save Social Security, private pensions, and Medicare" trillions of dollars", said Duke's Eric Finkelstein. "But mortality isn't that much higher among the obese."

we were always told that smokers cost so much more, remember?
So I'm kinda astonished that this studie aknowledge this, while at the same time, obese people seems to live just as long as the rest.
Being obese don't shorten one's lifespan?
 
2013-01-24 10:37:41 AM  

DuncanMhor: big pig peaches: I noticed many fatties are quick enough to mock those with healthy lifestyles. Turnabout is fair play.

Oh please. Give us an example

/turnabout is fair play if you are six


I do it... when I am dragging my ass out of bed, shuffling to the kitchen for a soda, lighting a cigarette, I'll see people running and jogging around the lake already. I talk shiat about them in my mind. It's the whole sour grapes thing, finding any justification for why I am right and they are wrong. "Well fark, if that's what it takes to be healthy, screw it. Why spend an accumulated 10 years of solid work and exercise to only live an extra 5 years? I have better self image and self esteem than they do because I don't feel the need to do that. I don't have to waste all this time and energy and effort in my life just so I look good in one outfit for a few hours at that party next month" Anything and everything to justify my own existence. And it's not like the person jogging around the lake is doing it for anyone other than themselves. I seriously doubt they're all smug and thinking "HA! I'm making everyone else feel bad about themselves because I am jogging so early in the morning! Look how much better I am than everyone else!" No, they're just doing their own thing and it has nothing to do with me.

The fact is, I like to eat and I farking hate to exercise. I hate feeling like I am not accomplishing anything. Exercise does not equal instant results, so it's VERY easy to get frustrated and think it is worthless. So, I've found a compromise. Other than grocery shopping, I am not allowed to drive after work. I make myself walk everywhere. Now, my walking comes with the immediate reward I am looking for. It may as simple as just reaching a destination (a bar, my friend's house, etc...) , but it feels infinitely more rewarding than a treadmill or walking aimlessly in a circle around the lake.

That being said, fark those early morning joggers still. =)
 
2013-01-24 10:37:43 AM  

chaosangel: santadog: It's the sugar in everything, and it's processed food.  The country is addicted.  I was fat all my life, and ballooned over the last couple winters.  Last April I hopped on a scale after not paying attention for a couple years, and saw 261lbs.  Decided to watch some food documentaries, and viewed "Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead".  Inspiration.  The premiss: Consume nothing but fruit and veggie juices you make at home, tons of flavor recipes that are good, and because you taking in straight up nutrients and little fiber, your digestion takes a break with energy working elsewere, your body burns up a lot of fat, and you reboot your system and break the addiction of sugar, fried stuff, and too much meat.

I tried a 10 day fast.  By day 7 I knew I could do 30.   May, August, and October I did 30 day fasts, lost 100 pounds, no longer crave sugar, or any other of the bad crap.  I now cook "regular" meals, more plant based than meat, and have not only kept the weight off, and changed the way I look at food, but I also lost another 10 pounds since October bringing me down to my goal weight.  Rebooted my body.  Broke the addiction of sugar.  And, once I started it.. it was THE EASIEST THING.

Has nothing to do with lazy.  Yes, there can be underlying crap, but it's amplified by the sugar addiction, just like it would be amplified by alcohol.

/CSS

Good for you! As a health care professional, I applaud this!


Thank you for that.  And since you are a health care professional, I will also tell you that when I started the first fast in May, I was border line Hypertension, Diabetic, and Blood Pressure tipped into the bad zone.  I just saw my doctor just before the second fast ended, and EVERYTHING was way into the normal ranges.  I couldn't believe how fast the changes happened.  Normal blood pressure and not even close to hypertension and diabetes.
 
2013-01-24 10:38:56 AM  
The only way to get anyone to do anything is to make them want to do it. You certainly can make someone want to lose weight by embarrassing them on a daily basis so that they will want to end the embarrassment. However it's much easier to show them how much better their life would be if they were fit. The first and normal response to criticism is defensiveness. The first and normal response to something better is to want it.
 
2013-01-24 10:39:01 AM  
Smoking is not the same as being obese. You can live without a cigarette, you cannot live without eating.

If obesity is such a drain on the insurance industry then why don't insurance companies cover programs and options to reach a healthy weight? Instead they'd rather pay for diabetes medication and supplies and hypertension meds and liver transplants and whatever else is lumped into the "caused by obesity" category.

Set up these shaming programs and we are one step closer to including overwieght persons as a protected class.
 
2013-01-24 10:39:43 AM  

sleeps in trees: I have friends that are obese. Also obesity runs (walks) in my family. It really makes no difference to me. If you are comfortable with how you look and are fairly healthy then fine.

What annoys me are the people that themselves bring up their weight and proceed to make excuses. No you cannot only eat a can of tuna and an apple a day and be that heavy. No you are not big boned. No you are not a size 12.

I don't care about your weight but don't bring it up, then bs me and not expect me to call you on it because it is politically correct.


Big boned does not make you obese and yes you can eat a can of tuna for a meal to lose weight.
 
2013-01-24 10:40:09 AM  

santadog: chaosangel: santadog: It's the sugar in everything, and it's processed food.  The country is addicted.  I was fat all my life, and ballooned over the last couple winters.  Last April I hopped on a scale after not paying attention for a couple years, and saw 261lbs.  Decided to watch some food documentaries, and viewed "Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead".  Inspiration.  The premiss: Consume nothing but fruit and veggie juices you make at home, tons of flavor recipes that are good, and because you taking in straight up nutrients and little fiber, your digestion takes a break with energy working elsewere, your body burns up a lot of fat, and you reboot your system and break the addiction of sugar, fried stuff, and too much meat.

I tried a 10 day fast.  By day 7 I knew I could do 30.   May, August, and October I did 30 day fasts, lost 100 pounds, no longer crave sugar, or any other of the bad crap.  I now cook "regular" meals, more plant based than meat, and have not only kept the weight off, and changed the way I look at food, but I also lost another 10 pounds since October bringing me down to my goal weight.  Rebooted my body.  Broke the addiction of sugar.  And, once I started it.. it was THE EASIEST THING.

Has nothing to do with lazy.  Yes, there can be underlying crap, but it's amplified by the sugar addiction, just like it would be amplified by alcohol.

/CSS

Good for you! As a health care professional, I applaud this!

Thank you for that.  And since you are a health care professional, I will also tell you that when I started the first fast in May, I was border line Hypertension, Diabetic, and Blood Pressure tipped into the bad zone.  I just saw my doctor just before the second fast ended, and EVERYTHING was way into the normal ranges.  I couldn't believe how fast the changes happened.  Normal blood pressure and not even close to hypertension and diabetes.


No real health professional will tell you fasting your weight away is the way to go. Not one.
 
2013-01-24 10:40:15 AM  
Raise the cost of ammunition junk food to make it cost prohibitive. Force gun owners lardasses to buy liability at-risk health insurance and each additional gun candy bar purchase ups the premium. Together we can litigate and tax our world into a better place.
 
2013-01-24 10:40:17 AM  

hbk72777: "If you are overweight or obese, are you pleased with the way that you look?"


This is great, let's line the streets with posters demeaning everyone

"If you are black or dark brown, are you pleased with the way that you look?"

"If you are Jewish or have a big honker, are you pleased with the way that you look?"

"If you are in a wheelchair or missing legs, are you pleased with the way that you look?"


5/10
 
2013-01-24 10:40:42 AM  

Thunderpipes: We should step up the shame if anything.


After all, shaming you for this derp seems to be totally stopping you from posting it.

Right?
 
2013-01-24 10:41:03 AM  

trappedspirit: Raise the cost of ammunition junk food to make it cost prohibitive. Force gun owners lardasses to buy liability at-risk health insurance and each additional gun candy bar purchase ups the premium. Together we can litigate and tax our world into a better place.


You say that like the government hasn't used taxes to suggest behavior it likes since the dawn of the republic.
 
2013-01-24 10:41:21 AM  

someonelse: Rootus: I love fattie threads. I suspect that, much like GOP homophobes, the folks who scream the loudest are in fact the fattest.

I always suspect that the ones who do the most vehement fat-shaming are borderline fat themselves, and are engaging in a weird combination of denial, self-loathing, and deflection. Basically, middle school.


Posting from the gym.....

Quit being fat asses, you can work out in your home with hairs, light weights or just walking.
 
2013-01-24 10:41:25 AM  

bighairyguy: He sounds like he wants to justify his need to be a bully.


Putting up a billboard saying "If you are overweight, are you happy with how you look?" can hardly be considered bullying.
 
2013-01-24 10:41:39 AM  

radiumsoup: assuming you're telling the truth, then if you had been a smoker as a kid, you'd probably still be smoking now. Social stigmas obviously don't work for everyone (including you), or there'd be no smoking at all right now. But in the aggregate, it has a very marked effect. There are virtually no quarters given to smokers, they're treated as vile and disgusting and literally prohibited from publicly participating in the activities which society hates. Fat folks, on the other hand, are coddled and told that it's probably just genetic, encouraged to eat healthy by their doctors and peers, and giggled at by kids in the supermarket, if at all. Anti-smokers have gone to the extreme in shaping society's expectations of smokers. Anti-fatties just point and laugh, with no real teeth... yet (although the recent NYC ordinances are a first step in what I see as a rolling snowball which will set off the avalanche of formally stigmatizing weight through legislation.)


There's not only second hand smoke, but there's third hand smoke (the tar and crap that sticks to everything). Smokers throw their cigarette butts all over the place. Smoking has NO health benefits at all. You have to eat. You can go cold turkey and quit smoking. You can go cold turkey and quit eating and die. Alcoholics can't have just a small drink because it sets them off. Fatties like me, well, there's food everywhere and you have to eat. Yah, we have control problems. Yah, most of us don't exercise (but many do). My wife would go to the gym and spend 30 minutes on a stair master every day and was still pretty heavy. Exercise doesn't work for everyone.

I don't know why most people quit smoking. Frankly, I wouldn't give a shiat if people smoked as long as I didn't have to smell it or as long as they didn't poison their kids by smoking around them.

So stop equating being a smoker with being fat.
 
2013-01-24 10:41:39 AM  

Dreyelle: Smoking is not the same as being obese. You can live without a cigarette, you cannot live without eating.

If obesity is such a drain on the insurance industry then why don't insurance companies cover programs and options to reach a healthy weight? Instead they'd rather pay for diabetes medication and supplies and hypertension meds and liver transplants and whatever else is lumped into the "caused by obesity" category.

Set up these shaming programs and we are one step closer to including overwieght persons as a protected class.


Most if not all large insurance companies offer "wellness programs" that will reduction your principle if you participate in them. Pretty much a class and survey on how to live a healthy lifestyle. If you participate in it, and can show that you are participating in it, they will reduce your rates. It saves them money on the whole by reducing claims and you get healthier.
 
2013-01-24 10:41:40 AM  
Shaming fatties for being fatties aint gonna work. Been tried already forever, its called "bullying". And people have always bullied the fat kid and they've only multiplied in numbers. Seems to me a better approach is better access to good quality food, do away with HFC in everything and bring bat natural fat to products instead of defatting, over sugar processing everything. But then again im an elitist eurocoont expat émigré.

What *doesn't* make sense to me, any more than bullying the fatties, is this rise of the League of Militant Fat Apologists (LMFAs). These guys who equate being charged an extra seat on a plane because they cant contain themselves in one seat with rosa parks going to the back of the bus, or saying they deserve protected status as disabled or accuse others who say "being fat is not healthy, you should lose weight" either in the media or in person as being oppressors.

Being fat is like being a smoker. It's a choice you make, a small one, many times a day, over many years, that makes you unhealthy. You are not "big boned" or "genetically disposed that way" or "always been that way, always will be". That is bullshiat. What that means is, you've had a dysfunctional diet and or lifestyle for a long time, and its going to be very difficult for you to fix your relationship with food.

You are not an oppressed minority, and claiming status as such debases the claims of those who are legitimately discriminated against over things that are part of their nature, like sexual orientation or race.

If you are really fat, you have my sympathy and encouragement, and I will not harass or oppress you. But I will not grant you special status, and defend my right to not be inconvenienced by you, much like I will ask a smoker to put out his or her cigarette if I cant walk away.
 
2013-01-24 10:41:40 AM  

Carth: The Angry Hand of God: I assume it is also OK to punch an asshole in the face for not minding their own damn business, correct?

Sure, but since obesity adds around 190 billion a year to health care costs making sure fat people lose weight is everyone's business.


But has anyone taken a look at how they're stimulating the economy? They're buying more food. They're buying bigger clothes (i.e. more material). They need bigger coffins. I could go on for sentences and sentences...

I'm gonna reach out on a limb and say they do more for the economy than harm it.
 
2013-01-24 10:41:43 AM  
Let's shame the crackheads, junkies, and alcoholics too. That will work great! I'm sure they'll take that advice and opinion to heart like they always do...

*eyeroll*

How can someone that educated be so farking dumb? "Bio-ethicist" ... *eyeroll* This dumbfark is even better than that Singer or Sanger or whomever who advocates euthanizing cripples.
 
2013-01-24 10:41:45 AM  

santadog: chaosangel: santadog: It's the sugar in everything, and it's processed food.  The country is addicted.  I was fat all my life, and ballooned over the last couple winters.  Last April I hopped on a scale after not paying attention for a couple years, and saw 261lbs.  Decided to watch some food documentaries, and viewed "Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead".  Inspiration.  The premiss: Consume nothing but fruit and veggie juices you make at home, tons of flavor recipes that are good, and because you taking in straight up nutrients and little fiber, your digestion takes a break with energy working elsewere, your body burns up a lot of fat, and you reboot your system and break the addiction of sugar, fried stuff, and too much meat.

I tried a 10 day fast.  By day 7 I knew I could do 30.   May, August, and October I did 30 day fasts, lost 100 pounds, no longer crave sugar, or any other of the bad crap.  I now cook "regular" meals, more plant based than meat, and have not only kept the weight off, and changed the way I look at food, but I also lost another 10 pounds since October bringing me down to my goal weight.  Rebooted my body.  Broke the addiction of sugar.  And, once I started it.. it was THE EASIEST THING.

Has nothing to do with lazy.  Yes, there can be underlying crap, but it's amplified by the sugar addiction, just like it would be amplified by alcohol.

/CSS

Good for you! As a health care professional, I applaud this!

Thank you for that.  And since you are a health care professional, I will also tell you that when I started the first fast in May, I was border line Hypertension, Diabetic, and Blood Pressure tipped into the bad zone.  I just saw my doctor just before the second fast ended, and EVERYTHING was way into the normal ranges.  I couldn't believe how fast the changes happened.  Normal blood pressure and not even close to hypertension and diabetes.


Well done. Its always great to hear about those that succeed. My experience is that so many expect to fail before they even try.
 
2013-01-24 10:41:52 AM  

maggoo: Oh, suck it up, will ya? Life is hard for everyone, and I bet your life is cozier than the one a lot of people have.


You seem very uneducated about what "mental illness" means.
 
2013-01-24 10:41:56 AM  
Oh look, the same strategy gun control advocates are trying to use on gun owners.
 
2013-01-24 10:42:27 AM  
Put a penny per calorie tax on food, and then rebate men $28 per day, and women $20 per day (children would get a variable rebate depending on age and sex). Just think of all of the healthful effects!

Top ten reasons to tax food calories:

1. People would be a lot more careful about what they buy.
2. People wouldn't waste as much food.
3. People would grow more of their own food to get around the tax. Not only would this give them healthier food, without all of those pesticides and antibiotics, it also gets them out in the fresh air and exercise.
4. People would eat less, making them thinner and healthier.
5. Fewer joggers and bicyclists would be out there blocking the road, since exercise used in non food-growing activities wastes valuable calories.
6. The extra money (if any) could be used to reduce the deficit.
7. Fewer illegal aliens would be needed to pick crops.
8. Technology now used to go after pot farmers could be used to track down black-market food growers.
9. Fewer people would be ran over by runaway Walmart scooters.
10. Only the well-off could afford to be fat!
 
2013-01-24 10:43:02 AM  

stonicus: WhippingBoy: I battled with weight issues for most of my life. When I was 32, I lost 100 pounds over the course of a year and a half.

You know what finally motivated me to lose the weight? I was in a restaurant with some friends and passed by a couple of attractive women. One of them looked me in the eye, looked down at my body, and said "eww, gross". That triggered something inside me; I was tired of being summarily rejected and shamed. Within a year and a half, I was 100 pounds lighter and no longer felt ashamed to be out in public.

So don't tell me that fat shaming doesn't work. It may not be the solution for everyone, but it certainly changed my life.

You need to go find that woman again, seduce her, woo her, get her to fall in love with you... then right before you stick it in, stand up and say "nah, I'd rather jerk off..." then walk out, after taking a dump on the floor.


Why would I do that? In retrospect, she did me a huge favour.
 
2013-01-24 10:43:06 AM  

On-Off: Carth: On-Off: Carth: The Angry Hand of God: I assume it is also OK to punch an asshole in the face for not minding their own damn business, correct?

Sure, but since obesity adds around 190 billion a year to health care costs making sure fat people lose weight is everyone's business.

just not true.

if you live a healthier life, you are gona live longer, and still die of some kind of cancer, so actualy costing more.
In the long run, the fatties and the smockers cost less as the average, because they die younger.
Idealy, just around retirement age.

"Obesity Now Costs Americans More In HealthCare Spending Than Smoking"

well, from your linked article:

""Smokers die early enough that they save Social Security, private pensions, and Medicare" trillions of dollars", said Duke's Eric Finkelstein. "But mortality isn't that much higher among the obese."

we were always told that smokers cost so much more, remember?
So I'm kinda astonished that this studie aknowledge this, while at the same time, obese people seems to live just as long as the rest.
Being obese don't shorten one's lifespan?


The things that kill obese people: diabetes, hypertension, high cholesterol can all be treated pretty well through long term medication. They still kill you but they do it much later in life after costing a lot of money. Lung Cancer is expensive to treat but the treatment normally doesn't last a decade or two because you die before that.

We have kids as young as 15 with type two diabetes. They can be on medication for the next 60-70 years if they don't lose weight.
 
2013-01-24 10:43:53 AM  
If shaming fat people worked there wouldn't be fat people.
 
2013-01-24 10:43:54 AM  

WhippingBoy: I battled with weight issues for most of my life. When I was 32, I lost 100 pounds over the course of a year and a half.

You know what finally motivated me to lose the weight? I was in a restaurant with some friends and passed by a couple of attractive women. One of them looked me in the eye, looked down at my body, and said "eww, gross". That triggered something inside me; I was tired of being summarily rejected and shamed. Within a year and a half, I was 100 pounds lighter and no longer felt ashamed to be out in public.

So don't tell me that fat shaming doesn't work. It may not be the solution for everyone, but it certainly changed my life.

.

I've been there brother...

I was outside my favorite bar in downtown Atlanta, recently out of graduate school and still unemployed for close to 8 months, close to 400 lbs, drunk as a skunk on borrowed drinks from my friends, smoking a mooched cigarette outside when a random passing guy on the sidewalk gave me such a dirty, condemning look and then went *loud audible sigh* "Disgusting."

I was flabbergasted. Those words burned inside my head all night long, i couldn't sleep. I vowed that night that i DID NOT WANT TO DIE FAT AND ALONE - i was better than this.

2 years later, close to 200 miles of walking, then jogging, and now running and i'm down 130 lbs (and still going), have a happy and successful career, and have met a woman who has also lost over 100lbs. We are Team Healthy.

But it took that little bit of shameful realization, almost an out of body experience of seeing me in the world, not just how i saw the world through my own eyes. I was ashamed of myself, and i realized it then and there. I was just trying to go through life numb/drunk/stoned enough to survive but i didn't want to be numb anymore, i wanted to live damnit. What it really took was that moment to make me want to stop feeling sorry for myself.

24.media.tumblr.com
"Ultimate Self Help Book" by Stephen Fry from ZenPencils

/oh yeah, that article is terrible and so is the guy who suggested it.
//fattie shame is already present in our society.
///all it takes is that moment of realization, the catalyst.
 
2013-01-24 10:43:59 AM  

maggoo: I find it hard to believe that 64% of the US adult population has chromosomal abnormalities.

You need to find another scapegoat.


Maybe it's time we stop using a metric created by a 19th century Beligan not-doctor and gauge I don't know, actual health? "Overweight" on BMI is a joke.
 
2013-01-24 10:44:50 AM  
Just imagine how much the outrage for this statement would be if you replaced obesity with homosexuality.
 
2013-01-24 10:45:06 AM  
I honestly don't care about how good it is for you, or how long it extends your life. I just don't care enough about myself or my body to go through the effort of exercise, and I don't think skipping my next few meals is going to fix that (even though I'm pretty sure this thread has made me want to not eat for the next few days).

/not even fat, just overweight and really unhealthy
//nobody farking cares
 
2013-01-24 10:45:31 AM  

Expolaris: 2 years later, close to 200 miles of walking, then jogging, and now running and i'm down 130 lbs (and still going), have a happy and successful career, and have met a woman who has also lost over 100lbs. We are Team Healthy.


200 miles in 2 years? His math must be wrong or he has tapeworms.
 
2013-01-24 10:45:39 AM  

chaosangel: Go get the book "The Four Agreements". NOW.


I've never much cared for self-help books but I will give it a look. Thanks.
 
2013-01-24 10:46:14 AM  

WhippingBoy: stonicus: WhippingBoy: I battled with weight issues for most of my life. When I was 32, I lost 100 pounds over the course of a year and a half.

You know what finally motivated me to lose the weight? I was in a restaurant with some friends and passed by a couple of attractive women. One of them looked me in the eye, looked down at my body, and said "eww, gross". That triggered something inside me; I was tired of being summarily rejected and shamed. Within a year and a half, I was 100 pounds lighter and no longer felt ashamed to be out in public.

So don't tell me that fat shaming doesn't work. It may not be the solution for everyone, but it certainly changed my life.

You need to go find that woman again, seduce her, woo her, get her to fall in love with you... then right before you stick it in, stand up and say "nah, I'd rather jerk off..." then walk out, after taking a dump on the floor.

Why would I do that? In retrospect, she did me a huge favour.


That same comment from her could have also been the push that made someone go home and kill themselves. She got lucky. Her unsolicited comment to you was reckless and dangerous
 
2013-01-24 10:46:38 AM  
The proportion of genes present in a population changes very slowly over time. The increase of the incidence of obesity has grown much faster than a genetic shift of that magnitude could occur. The real difference between adults of today and adults of previous generations is the amount of physical effort that has to actually go into making the ingredients to make meals.
 
2013-01-24 10:46:39 AM  

Halophilic: maggoo: I find it hard to believe that 64% of the US adult population has chromosomal abnormalities.

You need to find another scapegoat.

Maybe it's time we stop using a metric created by a 19th century Beligan not-doctor and gauge I don't know, actual health? "Overweight" on BMI is a joke.


I think if we measured "actual health" the rate would be even worst. There are plenty of thin people who can't do basic things like "Run a 5k, squat their body weight, touch their toes" that don't put on weight because they eat right.
 
2013-01-24 10:46:51 AM  

Thunderpipes: santadog: chaosangel: santadog: It's the sugar in everything, and it's processed food.  The country is addicted.  I was fat all my life, and ballooned over the last couple winters.  Last April I hopped on a scale after not paying attention for a couple years, and saw 261lbs.  Decided to watch some food documentaries, and viewed "Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead".  Inspiration.  The premiss: Consume nothing but fruit and veggie juices you make at home, tons of flavor recipes that are good, and because you taking in straight up nutrients and little fiber, your digestion takes a break with energy working elsewere, your body burns up a lot of fat, and you reboot your system and break the addiction of sugar, fried stuff, and too much meat.

I tried a 10 day fast.  By day 7 I knew I could do 30.   May, August, and October I did 30 day fasts, lost 100 pounds, no longer crave sugar, or any other of the bad crap.  I now cook "regular" meals, more plant based than meat, and have not only kept the weight off, and changed the way I look at food, but I also lost another 10 pounds since October bringing me down to my goal weight.  Rebooted my body.  Broke the addiction of sugar.  And, once I started it.. it was THE EASIEST THING.

Has nothing to do with lazy.  Yes, there can be underlying crap, but it's amplified by the sugar addiction, just like it would be amplified by alcohol.

/CSS

Good for you! As a health care professional, I applaud this!

Thank you for that.  And since you are a health care professional, I will also tell you that when I started the first fast in May, I was border line Hypertension, Diabetic, and Blood Pressure tipped into the bad zone.  I just saw my doctor just before the second fast ended, and EVERYTHING was way into the normal ranges.  I couldn't believe how fast the changes happened.  Normal blood pressure and not even close to hypertension and diabetes.

No real health professional will tell you fasting your weight away is the way to go. Not one.


You say that like I didn't eat.  I consumed more veggies and fruits in one day juicing, than I would have trying to chew the stuff in a week.  I constantly consumed  very high micronutrients all day.  At least 72 ounces per day.  Sipped it all day long.  My doctor approved, and guess what?  My buddy who has M.S... her doctor RECOMMENDED IT.  She did it, and her M.S. symptoms were lessoned.  She did it back in August, changed her eating habits because of it, and no longer needs her walker to get around.  She has more energy and doesn't have to take naps after each household chore.  Her Vertigo is manageable now.  It improved her quality of life.
 
2013-01-24 10:47:05 AM  

stonicus: That same comment from her could have also been the push that made someone go home and kill themselves. She got lucky. Her unsolicited comment to you was reckless and dangerous


Don't want unsolicited comments? Don't go out in public.
 
2013-01-24 10:47:06 AM  

GAT_00: Just imagine how much the outrage for this statement would be if you replaced obesity with homosexuality.


Apples and orangutans.
 
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