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2013-01-24 10:15:27 AM

WhippingBoy: ph0rk: By that same token, the dude (or dudette) in the wheelchair might be there because of their own stupidity, too.

They might, and if I thought for a second that shaming them would help them grow a new pair of legs, I'd give it a shot.


probably not, but if they're whining about their disability... maybe.


I've never known a paraplegic that has and the one or two disabled people that were clearly to blame (their own drunk driving) were honest and owned up to it.

My point was, unlike the first two categories, being in a wheelchair is not entirely a characteristic beyond the control of an individual.

Much like obesity is not entirely beyond the control of an individual.
 
2013-01-24 10:16:13 AM

ph0rk: By that same token, the dude (or dudette) in the wheelchair might be there because of their own stupidity, too.


images.rcp.realclearpolitics.com
 
2013-01-24 10:16:31 AM

someonelse: Rootus: I love fattie threads. I suspect that, much like GOP homophobes, the folks who scream the loudest are in fact the fattest.

I always suspect that the ones who do the most vehement fat-shaming are borderline fat themselves, and are engaging in a weird combination of denial, self-loathing, and deflection. Basically, middle school.


I will take into consideration the things you say about fat people, but I will NOT allow you to suggest that denizens of Fark are immature and puerile. This is the Internet. This is Fark. This is Serious Business.
 
2013-01-24 10:16:44 AM
I noticed many fatties are quick enough to mock those with healthy lifestyles. Turnabout is fair play.
 
2013-01-24 10:17:05 AM

someonelse: ph0rk: By that same token, the dude (or dudette) in the wheelchair might be there because of their own stupidity, too.

[images.rcp.realclearpolitics.com image 449x337]


Yeah, and?
 
2013-01-24 10:17:13 AM

radiumsoup: DuncanMhor: radiumsoup: it's largely worked for smoking, didn't it?

/taxing helped, but not very much.

No. Education, heavy taxes making them prohibitively expensive and banning the farking things almost everywhere worked for smoking.

This prick wants a moral justification for being a coont "its for their own good"

A stranger makes any "shaming" comments about my appearance uninvited will get a smack in the farking face, assuming I can catch the cowardly little fark.

"Banning them everywhere"... where do you think that came from, exactly? You're talking about social stigmas... in other words, society telling smokers that they're bad for lighting up in public. That's a very passive-aggressive way of shaming people into changing their behavior. Same for taxes (as much as they had an effect, which I still counter is less than what most people believe, especially those who never smoked.) You can't pass a tax that aims to change social behavior without broad public support for the social engineering aspect. Hell, for further evidence, you can't have a smoking thread on Fark without a dozen stories about how horrible people treat smokers for lighting up in public. At its core, it's a social shaming ritual, and it's more effective than anything else at getting kids to *never* smoke in the first place. All the old smokers die out, and the rest are shamed into thinking it's such a bad practice that they never start to begin with - that seems to be the goal, anyway.

This is not an observation on the fellow in the article, and I could care less about him. I'm observing that the underlying idea that social stigmas have an enormous impact on behavior is indeed very accurate.


They were banned everywhere because NON-smokers were getting lung cancer thank you very much. I'm sure that they'd ban eating in the work place if every time I ate a bag of M&Ms I took a dump in your mouth.
 
2013-01-24 10:18:50 AM

ph0rk: someonelse: ph0rk: By that same token, the dude (or dudette) in the wheelchair might be there because of their own stupidity, too.

[images.rcp.realclearpolitics.com image 449x337]

Yeah, and?


Always check the pool before you dive.
 
2013-01-24 10:19:00 AM

Zelron: WhippingBoy: xanadian: WTF Indeed: Make being fat cost prohibitive. If the fatty wants healthcare he'll need to spend three times as much. If the fatty wants that extra large bucket of fried chicken it'll be $40. Simple economics. No shaming required.

It works for cigarette smoking...

Not sure if serious.
The only people I know who buy cigarettes are the ones that can't afford it.

So how do they buy them then?


by me?

Either by trading their WIC\EBT stuff for cash at 50 cents or so on the dollar, or buying them literally one cigarette a time at a 100% markup.
 
2013-01-24 10:19:14 AM
Lots of white knights defending the fatties in here. Will you do the same for smokers? No? That's what I thought. Because smoking is a choice and being fat is not, right?
 
2013-01-24 10:19:31 AM

Zelron: WhippingBoy: xanadian: WTF Indeed: Make being fat cost prohibitive. If the fatty wants healthcare he'll need to spend three times as much. If the fatty wants that extra large bucket of fried chicken it'll be $40. Simple economics. No shaming required.

It works for cigarette smoking...

Not sure if serious.
The only people I know who buy cigarettes are the ones that can't afford it.

So how do they buy them then?


Misplaced priorities. From what I've seen, it goes something like this:
1. Cigarettes
2. Booze
3. Pot
4. Bingo/Lottery Tickets
5. Food for family
6. Rent
7. New video game
8. If there's anything left over, bills
 
2013-01-24 10:19:58 AM
It's the sugar in everything, and it's processed food.  The country is addicted.  I was fat all my life, and ballooned over the last couple winters.  Last April I hopped on a scale after not paying attention for a couple years, and saw 261lbs.  Decided to watch some food documentaries, and viewed "Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead".  Inspiration.  The premiss: Consume nothing but fruit and veggie juices you make at home, tons of flavor recipes that are good, and because you taking in straight up nutrients and little fiber, your digestion takes a break with energy working elsewere, your body burns up a lot of fat, and you reboot your system and break the addiction of sugar, fried stuff, and too much meat.

I tried a 10 day fast.  By day 7 I knew I could do 30.   May, August, and October I did 30 day fasts, lost 100 pounds, no longer crave sugar, or any other of the bad crap.  I now cook "regular" meals, more plant based than meat, and have not only kept the weight off, and changed the way I look at food, but I also lost another 10 pounds since October bringing me down to my goal weight.  Rebooted my body.  Broke the addiction of sugar.  And, once I started it.. it was THE EASIEST THING.

Has nothing to do with lazy.  Yes, there can be underlying crap, but it's amplified by the sugar addiction, just like it would be amplified by alcohol.

/CSS
 
2013-01-24 10:20:23 AM

someonelse: ph0rk: someonelse: ph0rk: By that same token, the dude (or dudette) in the wheelchair might be there because of their own stupidity, too.

[images.rcp.realclearpolitics.com image 449x337]

Yeah, and?

Always check the pool before you dive.


Still not getting your point. The post insinuated that being a paraplegic was an ascribed rather than acquired characteristic. That is incorrect.
 
2013-01-24 10:20:56 AM

big pig peaches: I noticed many fatties are quick enough to mock those with healthy lifestyles. Turnabout is fair play.


Oh please. Give us an example

/turnabout is fair play if you are six
 
2013-01-24 10:21:14 AM

MikeBoomshadow: abhorrent1: I agree. When did it become okay to be a pig? It's unattractive and unhealthy.

The same instant it became okay to be an assclown and be mean to people because you don't like how they look.

I'd rather hang with my fat buddies than with a jerk like you. Admittedly, some of them make me look thinner by comparison, but still.

Tell you what: I'll eat a salad. You eat a bag of dicks.


Look here, we got ourselves an angry fat guy. Don't get too close or he may attempt to sit on you.
 
2013-01-24 10:21:19 AM
Going to have to agree with this policy. It's not about eating affordable food - fat food isn't cheaper, it's just easier.

With public libraries and the internet no one can claim ignorance, but they can claim that they didn't want to educate themselves.

Fat people are therefore just plain lazy. No more excuses. I hate hearing the tired old lines about bad health making you fat. Those coniditions are so rare as to barely be worth mentioning. If public shaming might help people get off their fat behinds and learn how to eat well then I'm all for it. Especially if it can be cast as some sort of patriotic thing to be healthy. I am also totally in favor of making having an obese kid be grounds for charges of child abuse and loss of parental rights. I used to wish I could get my cousin away from her lazy fatso mother before she wound up with heart disease at age 18, sadly what her mother was doing to her didn't qualify as illegal.

I suppose it would also help to switch some agriculture subsidies away from corn, but we can start with a national campaign against fat people.

Can we also find a way to make it okay to discriminate against the obese in the workplace, unless there's proof of a valid medical reason? Had a new co-worker show up one day who couldn't fit in the work truck but my boss was too scared of a lawsuit to fire them for 2 months.
 
2013-01-24 10:22:30 AM

Zelron: I'm a big fat guy. Shame doesn't do it. I know.
I already feel ashamed that I have to ask for a seatbelt extender on a flight.
I already feel ashamed that I can't run around with my kids in the yard for more than 3 seconds without getting exhausted.
I already feel ashamed that I take up more than one seat on the subway.
I already feel ashamed that I can't walk more than a couple of blocks without my back screaming "What the fark are you doing to me?"
I already feel ashamed that I can't walk into any clothing store and expect that they'll have something that will fit.

Smoking vs. Obesity: You don't have to smoke, you do have to eat. Declining rates for smoking are primarily due to keeping them away from kids until they're old enough to know better. Just like with smoking though, someone has to want to quit. If they don't want to quit, no amount of shame will improve the situation.

Which is why I don't think kids should be involved in religion until they're old enough to know better.


assuming you're telling the truth, then if you had been a smoker as a kid, you'd probably still be smoking now. Social stigmas obviously don't work for everyone (including you), or there'd be no smoking at all right now. But in the aggregate, it has a very marked effect. There are virtually no quarters given to smokers, they're treated as vile and disgusting and literally prohibited from publicly participating in the activities which society hates. Fat folks, on the other hand, are coddled and told that it's probably just genetic, encouraged to eat healthy by their doctors and peers, and giggled at by kids in the supermarket, if at all. Anti-smokers have gone to the extreme in shaping society's expectations of smokers. Anti-fatties just point and laugh, with no real teeth... yet (although the recent NYC ordinances are a first step in what I see as a rolling snowball which will set off the avalanche of formally stigmatizing weight through legislation.)
 
2013-01-24 10:23:39 AM

alephtau: Wrong target. The people who should be shamed are the greedy farks who rake in monstrous amounts of dollars by selling unhealthy addictive feed to their herds of indentured custommers.
But you would have to destroy the "capitalist" neofeudal structure of power in murika to do that, so won't happen


If even for just one day nobody bought a single Coke or Pepsi or went to McDonalds or bought a bunch of unhealthy crap at Target or Wal-Mart, our economy would absolutely collapse. Our financial and economic system demands and depends on people to make horribly bad choices.
 
2013-01-24 10:23:44 AM
I'm all on board for shaming fat people just as long as we're on board for shaming people about drinking alcohol.

I've lost friends to violent drunks and drunk drivers but never to anyone eating a hamburger or driving while fat.
 
2013-01-24 10:24:05 AM

Thunderpipes: MikeBoomshadow: Thunderpipes: WTF Indeed: Make being fat cost prohibitive. If the fatty wants healthcare he'll need to spend three times as much. If the fatty wants that extra large bucket of fried chicken it'll be $40. Simple economics. No shaming required.

We should.

We make being successful cost prohibitive, being male, being white, why not fat? They pay more for life insurance, why not health insurance?

Maybe you dems can make universal life insurance the next big thing? That would be a hoot.

Speaking as a white male, how has my ethnicity become more cost prohibitive? The fact is, I'm actually a fair amount better off than I was four years ago, and can easily see improved earning potential in my field over the next four--and that's after taxes.

UIh huh, sure. How was your White only scholarship or your affirmative action promotion?

Want to see the real fun? In 2040 or so, when white people are the minority, do you really think Democrats will be there defending the white man? Slavery will probably be made legal again. Your kids will suffer, but you don't care, because free stuff! Yay!


Yup, just as I suspected. We got ourselves a racist, dumbass troll. Just imagine him speaking in a retarded southern accent and whatever offense you take to him disappears.
 
2013-01-24 10:24:16 AM
What scares me is that getting to the state where you require a Rascal scooter seems to be considered "no big deal".

I'm sorry if this makes me a fascist, but if you allow yourself to get to the state where you're no longer capable of moving under your own power, something very drastic needs to be done.
 
2013-01-24 10:24:21 AM

santadog: It's the sugar in everything, and it's processed food.  The country is addicted.  I was fat all my life, and ballooned over the last couple winters.  Last April I hopped on a scale after not paying attention for a couple years, and saw 261lbs.  Decided to watch some food documentaries, and viewed "Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead".  Inspiration.  The premiss: Consume nothing but fruit and veggie juices you make at home, tons of flavor recipes that are good, and because you taking in straight up nutrients and little fiber, your digestion takes a break with energy working elsewere, your body burns up a lot of fat, and you reboot your system and break the addiction of sugar, fried stuff, and too much meat.

I tried a 10 day fast.  By day 7 I knew I could do 30.   May, August, and October I did 30 day fasts, lost 100 pounds, no longer crave sugar, or any other of the bad crap.  I now cook "regular" meals, more plant based than meat, and have not only kept the weight off, and changed the way I look at food, but I also lost another 10 pounds since October bringing me down to my goal weight.  Rebooted my body.  Broke the addiction of sugar.  And, once I started it.. it was THE EASIEST THING.

Has nothing to do with lazy.  Yes, there can be underlying crap, but it's amplified by the sugar addiction, just like it would be amplified by alcohol.

/CSS


It has everything to do with lazy. Food was worse when I was a kid. Kids were three times less likely to be obese. Blame someone else? Imagine that.

You will regain your weight. Gimmick dieting is no substitute for working your butt off, sweating, lifting weights, running, and relatively normal eating. Sugar addiction. What is next?
 
2013-01-24 10:24:32 AM

santadog: It's the sugar in everything, and it's processed food.  The country is addicted.  I was fat all my life, and ballooned over the last couple winters.  Last April I hopped on a scale after not paying attention for a couple years, and saw 261lbs.  Decided to watch some food documentaries, and viewed "Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead".  Inspiration.  The premiss: Consume nothing but fruit and veggie juices you make at home, tons of flavor recipes that are good, and because you taking in straight up nutrients and little fiber, your digestion takes a break with energy working elsewere, your body burns up a lot of fat, and you reboot your system and break the addiction of sugar, fried stuff, and too much meat.

I tried a 10 day fast.  By day 7 I knew I could do 30.   May, August, and October I did 30 day fasts, lost 100 pounds, no longer crave sugar, or any other of the bad crap.  I now cook "regular" meals, more plant based than meat, and have not only kept the weight off, and changed the way I look at food, but I also lost another 10 pounds since October bringing me down to my goal weight.  Rebooted my body.  Broke the addiction of sugar.  And, once I started it.. it was THE EASIEST THING.

Has nothing to do with lazy.  Yes, there can be underlying crap, but it's amplified by the sugar addiction, just like it would be amplified by alcohol.

/CSS


I do treat sugar a lot like booze. I try to avoid it unless I'm really treating myself, and when I do consume try my best to do it in moderation. When I binge on either I try not to beat myself up and hop back on the wagon for a while.
 
2013-01-24 10:25:18 AM

ph0rk: someonelse: ph0rk: someonelse: ph0rk: By that same token, the dude (or dudette) in the wheelchair might be there because of their own stupidity, too.

[images.rcp.realclearpolitics.com image 449x337]

Yeah, and?

Always check the pool before you dive.

Still not getting your point. The post insinuated that being a paraplegic was an ascribed rather than acquired characteristic. That is incorrect.


I was posting an example of someone in a wheelchair due to (maybe, sort of) their own stupidity ... I think. I don't know; I'm not really following this all that closely. Never mind, forget I was here.
 
2013-01-24 10:25:24 AM

abhorrent1: Lots of white knights defending the fatties in here. Will you do the same for smokers? No? That's what I thought. Because smoking is a choice and being fat is not, right?


Smokers have a difficult to solve problem as well, so I don't know that I'd say it's only a choice. But unlike fatties, the smokers did have to make the choice at least once (and probably several times) before it became a physical addiction.
 
2013-01-24 10:25:30 AM

Jumpin Jbot: I'm all on board for shaming fat people just as long as we're on board for shaming people about drinking alcohol.

I've lost friends to violent drunks and drunk drivers but never to anyone eating a hamburger or driving while fat.


Right, because as a culture we've never assigned shame to alcoholics.
 
2013-01-24 10:25:47 AM
It's hard for me to eat healthy, because if I eat too lightly I get all light headed and I get visual distortions in my vision, like someone is pressing on my eyeballs.
 
2013-01-24 10:26:15 AM

Jumpin Jbot: I'm all on board for shaming fat people just as long as we're on board for shaming people about drinking alcohol.

I've lost friends to violent drunks and drunk drivers but never to anyone eating a hamburger or driving while fat.


You don't think drunk driving is shammed? It is one of the few things people will consider capital punishment an acceptable response.
 
2013-01-24 10:26:28 AM

Jumpin Jbot: I'm all on board for shaming fat people just as long as we're on board for shaming people about drinking alcohol.

I've lost friends to violent drunks and drunk drivers but never to anyone eating a hamburger or driving while fat.


Being fat doesn't normally make for good times and getting laid. Booze does. Booze even allows fat chicks and ugly guys to have sex. Hamburgers don't.
 
2013-01-24 10:26:47 AM

Jumpin Jbot: I'm all on board for shaming fat people just as long as we're on board for shaming people about drinking alcohol.

I've lost friends to violent drunks and drunk drivers but never to anyone eating a hamburger or driving while fat.


Jumpin Jbot: I'm all on board for shaming fat people just as long as we're on board for shaming people about drinking alcohol.

I've lost friends to violent drunks and drunk drivers but never to anyone eating a hamburger or driving while fat.


Here ya go: http://www.madd.ca/
 
2013-01-24 10:26:48 AM
I am a slightly overweight, pot using, alcoholic who smokes. I just don't care how other people choose to live their life. If it makes you feel better to make someone else feel worse, you are a dick,and a bad person.
 
2013-01-24 10:27:02 AM

Thunderpipes: We should step up the shame if anything.

Have a nationwide campaign of shame. We should. Obesity is killing us, and killing our kids. In one generation (maybe two) kids have tripled in obesity rates. The reasons are very simple. Kids don't play enough. They turn into adults who don't play enough. It is not soda, or McDonalds, or anything else. We had worse food when I was a kid. But you could eat 4 hamburgers, then play for 8 hours and still be skinny.

Being fat is not a disease, not a mental condition. It is just being lazy and unmotivated. So shame the crap out of kids from a young age. Sure, you might lose a couple in the process, but you would lose them anyway to fat health problems.


So everyone has the same metabolism. Brilliant. Not everyone can eat four hamburgers and play for 8 hours and stay skinny. Let's assume that we're lazy and unmotivated. Well, no matter how much you try to shame me, I'll still be lazy and unmotivated. I'll just hate you for being a douchebag.
 
2013-01-24 10:27:31 AM

someonelse: I was posting an example of someone in a wheelchair due to (maybe, sort of) their own stupidity ... I think. I don't know; I'm not really following this all that closely. Never mind, forget I was here.


Ah, I thought you were implying I was acting like Krauthammer, so I was confused. I see the connection now.

I never knew he was paralyzed, but I'd never paid any attention to his biography before.
 
2013-01-24 10:28:23 AM

The Angry Hand of God: I am a slightly overweight, pot using, alcoholic who smokes. I just don't care how other people choose to live their life. If it makes you feel better to make someone else feel worse, you are a dick,and a bad person.


Yeah, but you still feel worse about yourself. VICTORY.
 
2013-01-24 10:28:42 AM

Thunderpipes: santadog: It's the sugar in everything, and it's processed food.  The country is addicted.  I was fat all my life, and ballooned over the last couple winters.  Last April I hopped on a scale after not paying attention for a couple years, and saw 261lbs.  Decided to watch some food documentaries, and viewed "Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead".  Inspiration.  The premiss: Consume nothing but fruit and veggie juices you make at home, tons of flavor recipes that are good, and because you taking in straight up nutrients and little fiber, your digestion takes a break with energy working elsewere, your body burns up a lot of fat, and you reboot your system and break the addiction of sugar, fried stuff, and too much meat.

I tried a 10 day fast.  By day 7 I knew I could do 30.   May, August, and October I did 30 day fasts, lost 100 pounds, no longer crave sugar, or any other of the bad crap.  I now cook "regular" meals, more plant based than meat, and have not only kept the weight off, and changed the way I look at food, but I also lost another 10 pounds since October bringing me down to my goal weight.  Rebooted my body.  Broke the addiction of sugar.  And, once I started it.. it was THE EASIEST THING.

Has nothing to do with lazy.  Yes, there can be underlying crap, but it's amplified by the sugar addiction, just like it would be amplified by alcohol.

/CSS

It has everything to do with lazy. Food was worse when I was a kid. Kids were three times less likely to be obese. Blame someone else? Imagine that.

You will regain your weight. Gimmick dieting is no substitute for working your butt off, sweating, lifting weights, running, and relatively normal eating. Sugar addiction. What is next?


www.mattfurey.com
 
2013-01-24 10:29:09 AM
I don't think this is a terrible idea. You can't on the one hand say that obesity is awful and leads to health problems so everyone should eat better and exercise and then on the other hand say that people are okay no matter how they look and we should accept that we have reached a point where people need to take up multiple seats on airplanes and require construction equipment to remove them from their own homes. Then again I guess we could just insist that food producers stop tempting us all with such tasty offerings. I don't have to worry about this since my parents gave me a healthy dose of shame and self-consciousness as a child and I don't even think about eating cookies for breakfast or having a second helping of dessert.
 
2013-01-24 10:29:14 AM

hbk72777: "If you are overweight or obese, are you pleased with the way that you look?"


This is great, let's line the streets with posters demeaning everyone

"If you are black or dark brown, are you pleased with the way that you look?"

"If you are Jewish or have a big honker, are you pleased with the way that you look?"

"If you are in a wheelchair or missing legs, are you pleased with the way that you look?"


One of those things is not like the other. Or do you believe that people are born black or with big noses due to a lack of personal responsibility, that being jewish is a health hazard or that people are in a wheelchair or missing legs because they don't bother to walk or grow a limb?

If you are fat then shut your mouth once in a while. You don't need to stuff your face with pie every 5 minutes or so, and you sure don't need all those heart conditions, liver damage and diabetes.
 
2013-01-24 10:29:28 AM

LineNoise: Zelron: WhippingBoy: xanadian: WTF Indeed: Make being fat cost prohibitive. If the fatty wants healthcare he'll need to spend three times as much. If the fatty wants that extra large bucket of fried chicken it'll be $40. Simple economics. No shaming required.

It works for cigarette smoking...

Not sure if serious.
The only people I know who buy cigarettes are the ones that can't afford it.

So how do they buy them then?

by me?

Either by trading their WIC\EBT stuff for cash at 50 cents or so on the dollar, or buying them literally one cigarette a time at a 100% markup.


So they can afford them since they're buying them.
 
2013-01-24 10:29:30 AM

WhippingBoy: I battled with weight issues for most of my life. When I was 32, I lost 100 pounds over the course of a year and a half.

You know what finally motivated me to lose the weight? I was in a restaurant with some friends and passed by a couple of attractive women. One of them looked me in the eye, looked down at my body, and said "eww, gross". That triggered something inside me; I was tired of being summarily rejected and shamed. Within a year and a half, I was 100 pounds lighter and no longer felt ashamed to be out in public.

So don't tell me that fat shaming doesn't work. It may not be the solution for everyone, but it certainly changed my life.


You need to go find that woman again, seduce her, woo her, get her to fall in love with you... then right before you stick it in, stand up and say "nah, I'd rather jerk off..." then walk out, after taking a dump on the floor.
 
2013-01-24 10:29:31 AM

steamingpile: Queensowntalia: If weight issues are linked with mental issues, adding psychological attacks is only going to make the problem worse. I have struggled with both depression and my weight for years, and articles like these, and the resulting Fark "all fat people should go kill themselves" threads haven't motivated me to exercise, they've made me want to hurt myself and/or drink myself into a stupor. It's hard enough for me to leave the house to begin with. Please don't make it even harder.

Then we set up extra large suicide booths for fat asses to take care of themselves, problem solved.

Your depression is driven partly by a self image issue if you can't fix that then there is no hope for you, getting out of the house has nothing to do with it, you are on the internet and there are a shiat ton of sites of workouts you can do at home. Expercise also releases endorphins to make you feel better so its win-win, bottom line is just exercise anywhere you can and quit making excuses.


Thank goodness I have a shrink appointment today, because your comment doesn't make me feel motivated, it makes me want to die (apparently thats A-OK, though).

Getting out of the house has everything to do with it. I have to, to get to work, to buy groceries, to live my life. leaving is made more difficult by constantly feeling humiliated. I can't magically stay locked in my condo until I'm thin. That's not how it works. :P

I don't know why I'm in this thread. They always end the same for me, crying at my desk and wishing I were home getting drunk.
 
2013-01-24 10:29:45 AM

Point02GPA: Shaming works well. That's why you don't see any retards anymore.


Not true, Thunderpipes is still around
 
2013-01-24 10:30:01 AM

littlett's: I'm not sure that they even qualify to be called people.


People as in multiple persons? I think airlines treat them that way, as in charge them as such.

Anyways, encouragement to those who are self conscience. Yeah the odds are stacked against you, but you have learn to like the things that help. I love sprinting. It's always helped me with weight/staying in shape, but I haven't been able to do it for 2 years now due to reoccurring knee injuries/surgeries. Whats worked for me is learning to like cooking healthy on the cheap (the web is farking great for this) and doing what I can in the weight room (twice a week isn't bad and pf is $10 a month). Once I found out that I liked to cook it became easy. Also cutting down on beer and switching to hard alc helped. Found out I like Jameson and there is a substantial calorie difference over time between the two.

There is one absolute rule , no more soda.

There are many ways to lose weight, so just try them and find out what you like. Once your attitude is positive, its so much easier to do it and keep doing it.
 
2013-01-24 10:30:44 AM
I lost 70 pounds this past year by doing exactly 3 things. 1) eat LESS. Doesn't have to be "diet-sized meals", just LESS. I ate pretty much whatever I wanted, but ate it SLOWLY with lots of water, and all of a sudden, I would put the fork down feeling "done". Took about 3 weeks to get used to it. Also started drinking a crapload of water. That "hungry" feeling isn't always hunger. A lot of times it's dehydration. 2) Cut out sugar almost completely (except for special occasions, things like that). 3) Started cycling. Now I eat more (because cycling burns shiatloads of calories), and just feel better.

TL;DR: 1) Eat less, 2) almost no sugar, 3) exercise
 
2013-01-24 10:30:47 AM

onyxruby: Bullying people, how's that working for society? BioEthicist forgot their ethics.


Read what the man said. He makes a case for pressuring fat people to get healthier does improve society and even your life.
 
2013-01-24 10:31:09 AM

Thunderpipes: santadog: It's the sugar in everything, and it's processed food.  The country is addicted.  I was fat all my life, and ballooned over the last couple winters.  Last April I hopped on a scale after not paying attention for a couple years, and saw 261lbs.  Decided to watch some food documentaries, and viewed "Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead".  Inspiration.  The premiss: Consume nothing but fruit and veggie juices you make at home, tons of flavor recipes that are good, and because you taking in straight up nutrients and little fiber, your digestion takes a break with energy working elsewere, your body burns up a lot of fat, and you reboot your system and break the addiction of sugar, fried stuff, and too much meat.

I tried a 10 day fast.  By day 7 I knew I could do 30.   May, August, and October I did 30 day fasts, lost 100 pounds, no longer crave sugar, or any other of the bad crap.  I now cook "regular" meals, more plant based than meat, and have not only kept the weight off, and changed the way I look at food, but I also lost another 10 pounds since October bringing me down to my goal weight.  Rebooted my body.  Broke the addiction of sugar.  And, once I started it.. it was THE EASIEST THING.

Has nothing to do with lazy.  Yes, there can be underlying crap, but it's amplified by the sugar addiction, just like it would be amplified by alcohol.

/CSS

It has everything to do with lazy. Food was worse when I was a kid. Kids were three times less likely to be obese. Blame someone else? Imagine that.

You will regain your weight. Gimmick dieting is no substitute for working your butt off, sweating, lifting weights, running, and relatively normal eating. Sugar addiction. What is next?

 
2013-01-24 10:31:09 AM

Thunderpipes: santadog: It's the sugar in everything, and it's processed food.  The country is addicted.  I was fat all my life, and ballooned over the last couple winters.  Last April I hopped on a scale after not paying attention for a couple years, and saw 261lbs.  Decided to watch some food documentaries, and viewed "Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead".  Inspiration.  The premiss: Consume nothing but fruit and veggie juices you make at home, tons of flavor recipes that are good, and because you taking in straight up nutrients and little fiber, your digestion takes a break with energy working elsewere, your body burns up a lot of fat, and you reboot your system and break the addiction of sugar, fried stuff, and too much meat.

I tried a 10 day fast.  By day 7 I knew I could do 30.   May, August, and October I did 30 day fasts, lost 100 pounds, no longer crave sugar, or any other of the bad crap.  I now cook "regular" meals, more plant based than meat, and have not only kept the weight off, and changed the way I look at food, but I also lost another 10 pounds since October bringing me down to my goal weight.  Rebooted my body.  Broke the addiction of sugar.  And, once I started it.. it was THE EASIEST THING.

Has nothing to do with lazy.  Yes, there can be underlying crap, but it's amplified by the sugar addiction, just like it would be amplified by alcohol.

/CSS

It has everything to do with lazy. Food was worse when I was a kid. Kids were three times less likely to be obese. Blame someone else? Imagine that.

You will regain your weight. Gimmick dieting is no substitute for working your butt off, sweating, lifting weights, running, and relatively normal eating. Sugar addiction. What is next?


Right, because now that I eat 80% plant matter, I will gain it all back.  Gotcha.   You don't believe that sugar and high fructose corn syrup that is in just about everything in a mainstream grocery store including cold cut meats, and processed food.. has nothing to do with it.
Head in the sand.
 
2013-01-24 10:31:20 AM

Thunderpipes: We should step up the shame if anything.

Have a nationwide campaign of shame. We should. Obesity is killing us, and killing our kids. In one generation (maybe two) kids have tripled in obesity rates. The reasons are very simple. Kids don't play enough. They turn into adults who don't play enough. It is not soda, or McDonalds, or anything else. We had worse food when I was a kid. But you could eat 4 hamburgers, then play for 8 hours and still be skinny.

Being fat is not a disease, not a mental condition. It is just being lazy and unmotivated. So shame the crap out of kids from a young age. Sure, you might lose a couple in the process, but you would lose them anyway to fat health problems.


I wouldn't be so sure about that. Excerise isn't everything. In fact the amount you have to move to burn off a lot of calories makes it a poor weight-control plan. A better plan is healthy food. It actually IS the soda, McDonalds and all the other bad foods. Activity helps but it can only cure so much. I think that may be part of why we're in this mess: that very logic. At some point that amount of extra calories from bad food surpasses anything an average child could burn off. After that they're fat enough that physical activity becomes uncomfortable, but they're still get the whole MOVE MORE message, rather than the eating healthy one.
 
2013-01-24 10:31:37 AM

Thunderpipes: We should step up the shame if anything.

Have a nationwide campaign of shame. We should. Obesity is killing us, and killing our kids. In one generation (maybe two) kids have tripled in obesity rates. The reasons are very simple. Kids don't play enough. They turn into adults who don't play enough. It is not soda, or McDonalds, or anything else. We had worse food when I was a kid. But you could eat 4 hamburgers, then play for 8 hours and still be skinny.

Being fat is not a disease, not a mental condition. It is just being lazy and unmotivated. So shame the crap out of kids from a young age. Sure, you might lose a couple in the process, but you would lose them anyway to fat health problems.


Exactly! Stop feeding the little bastards crap and then making up excuses for why your six-year-old needs adult-size clothing. Or insisting that criticizing fat people is offensive.
 
2013-01-24 10:32:31 AM

santadog: It's the sugar in everything, and it's processed food.  The country is addicted.  I was fat all my life, and ballooned over the last couple winters.  Last April I hopped on a scale after not paying attention for a couple years, and saw 261lbs.  Decided to watch some food documentaries, and viewed "Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead".  Inspiration.  The premiss: Consume nothing but fruit and veggie juices you make at home, tons of flavor recipes that are good, and because you taking in straight up nutrients and little fiber, your digestion takes a break with energy working elsewere, your body burns up a lot of fat, and you reboot your system and break the addiction of sugar, fried stuff, and too much meat.

I tried a 10 day fast.  By day 7 I knew I could do 30.   May, August, and October I did 30 day fasts, lost 100 pounds, no longer crave sugar, or any other of the bad crap.  I now cook "regular" meals, more plant based than meat, and have not only kept the weight off, and changed the way I look at food, but I also lost another 10 pounds since October bringing me down to my goal weight.  Rebooted my body.  Broke the addiction of sugar.  And, once I started it.. it was THE EASIEST THING.

Has nothing to do with lazy.  Yes, there can be underlying crap, but it's amplified by the sugar addiction, just like it would be amplified by alcohol.

/CSS


Good for you! As a health care professional, I applaud this!
 
2013-01-24 10:32:36 AM

MikeBoomshadow: Plus, when this guy inevitably runs across a fat person he shouldn't have bullied, how much does reconstructive orthodontic surgery add?


I'm about 100 pounds overweight and my physical trainer just told me I had too much muscle.  Sent me to a massage therapist who said working on me was like trying to massage a brick.  Bring it, bio-weenie!
 
2013-01-24 10:32:46 AM

Zelron: Thunderpipes: We should step up the shame if anything.

Have a nationwide campaign of shame. We should. Obesity is killing us, and killing our kids. In one generation (maybe two) kids have tripled in obesity rates. The reasons are very simple. Kids don't play enough. They turn into adults who don't play enough. It is not soda, or McDonalds, or anything else. We had worse food when I was a kid. But you could eat 4 hamburgers, then play for 8 hours and still be skinny.

Being fat is not a disease, not a mental condition. It is just being lazy and unmotivated. So shame the crap out of kids from a young age. Sure, you might lose a couple in the process, but you would lose them anyway to fat health problems.

So everyone has the same metabolism. Brilliant. Not everyone can eat four hamburgers and play for 8 hours and stay skinny. Let's assume that we're lazy and unmotivated. Well, no matter how much you try to shame me, I'll still be lazy and unmotivated. I'll just hate you for being a douchebag.


Someone else mentioned it. People who have actual metabolic problems are extremely rare. Most of those can be easily treated. This is an excuse made by a huge number of land-whales so they don't have to admit stuffing their faces and not moving. Those 1,000 pound people that have to be forklifted out of their houses say the same thing. Turns out they eat 25,000 calories a day. Imagine that.

Hate me all you want, you still will be fat, it is still your fault. Calories in v calories out. Same laws for everyone, Bub.

Imagine how many problems could be solved if people stopped making excuses?
 
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