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2013-01-24 09:16:40 AM
"He must not have any contact with actual free-range fat people," she added.

Feh.  I keep mine caged like veal calves.  Do you know how many acres of cheesecake it takes to keep just one free range fattie?
 
2013-01-24 09:17:08 AM
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2013-01-24 09:20:24 AM
Haven't we been shaming fat people for decades already?
 
2013-01-24 09:25:13 AM

Vodka Zombie: Haven't we been shaming fat people for decades already?


Oh quit your whining and put the Twinkie down, Jabba.
 
2013-01-24 09:28:54 AM

Diogenes: Vodka Zombie: Haven't we been shaming fat people for decades already?

Oh quit your whining and put the Twinkie down, Jabba.


LOL!

Kinda walked waddled into that one, didn't I?
 
2013-01-24 09:33:23 AM

Diogenes: "He must not have any contact with actual free-range fat people," she added.

Feh.  I keep mine caged like veal calves.  Do you know how many acres of cheesecake it takes to keep just one free range fattie?


Thats just mean. You really can't appreciate the beauty and majesty of a fat person, until you see a herd of them grazing on the open plains just before sundown. The way the wind rustles their chins, and how the light just seems to danced on their hands covered with the glaze of that last boston cream donut.......it just tears me up thinking about it.
 
2013-01-24 09:34:01 AM
He sounds like he wants to justify his need to be a bully.
 
2013-01-24 09:37:54 AM
Eating a good diet also beats obesity..
 
2013-01-24 09:38:00 AM

bighairyguy: He sounds like he wants to justify his need to be a bully.


I feel I need to redeem myself from my earlier snark to say "THIS."
 
2013-01-24 09:38:54 AM

bighairyguy: He sounds like he wants to justify his need to be a bully.


So pointing out to someone, an adult nonetheless, that they live an unhealthy lifestyle now counts as bullying?

If you are over the age of 15 and are complaining about being bullied, you probably have it coming.
 
2013-01-24 09:39:14 AM
Fat people don't have feelings.
 
2013-01-24 09:39:41 AM
Funny, the same people who laugh at the fatties also laugh at New York for banning extra large Cokes. Which is it?
 
2013-01-24 09:39:57 AM
I lost 100 pounds this summer, so I'm getting a kick.
 
2013-01-24 09:40:11 AM
Whatever "ethicist" might have once meant, in recent decades it has come to mean "dope -- with no common sense".
 
2013-01-24 09:40:29 AM

Rev. Skarekroe: Fat people don't have feelings.


So what does that make fat gingers?

/Cue Christina Hendricks photo!
//Yes, I know she's not a natural redhead...
 
2013-01-24 09:40:39 AM

LineNoise: Diogenes: "He must not have any contact with actual free-range fat people," she added.

Feh.  I keep mine caged like veal calves.  Do you know how many acres of cheesecake it takes to keep just one free range fattie?

Thats just mean. You really can't appreciate the beauty and majesty of a fat person, until you see a herd of them grazing on the open plains just before sundown. The way the wind rustles their chins, and how the light just seems to danced on their hands covered with the glaze of that last boston cream donut.......it just tears me up thinking about it.


If we shame them they will graze more in order to feel better about themselves. if they graze more you can send more sightseeing tours, which will make the tour guide rich. Anyone interested in a position as tour guide?
 
2013-01-24 09:41:38 AM
This will go far in our "everyone gets a trophy" society.
 
2013-01-24 09:42:11 AM
Who knew "Your mama so fat" jokes were helping society?
 
2013-01-24 09:42:15 AM
Plus if you were raising fat people, I think free range is really the economical way to go. Why bother with fences and cages and such. What are they going to do? run away?
 
2013-01-24 09:42:40 AM
I assume it is also OK to punch an asshole in the face for not minding their own damn business, correct?
 
2013-01-24 09:43:09 AM
Shaming works well. That's why you don't see any retards anymore.
 
2013-01-24 09:43:30 AM
it's largely worked for smoking, didn't it?

/taxing helped, but not very much.
 
2013-01-24 09:44:06 AM
So, suicide is your solution... or maybe just some more mindless violence when someone snaps from being picked on... because that never happens..
 
2013-01-24 09:45:02 AM

The Angry Hand of God: I assume it is also OK to punch an asshole in the face for not minding their own damn business, correct?


Sure, but since obesity adds around 190 billion a year to health care costs making sure fat people lose weight is everyone's business.
 
2013-01-24 09:45:24 AM
"If you are overweight or obese, are you pleased with the way that you look?"


This is great, let's line the streets with posters demeaning everyone

"If you are black or dark brown, are you pleased with the way that you look?"

"If you are Jewish or have a big honker, are you pleased with the way that you look?"

"If you are in a wheelchair or missing legs, are you pleased with the way that you look?"
 
2013-01-24 09:46:09 AM

IlGreven: Funny, the same people who laugh at the fatties also laugh at New York for banning extra large Cokes. Which is it?


Both. If you're fat because you can't stop yourself from gulping down 64 fluid ounces of soda every time you stop at a gas station or fast food joint it means you lack self-control. The government protecting you from yourself has also had the negative impact of preventing me (someone WITH self-control) from enjoying a large beverage purchased at a gas station for the duration of a road trip.
 
2013-01-24 09:46:13 AM
Proof that he knows just less than jack shiat about anything.

/not fat
 
2013-01-24 09:46:13 AM

The Angry Hand of God: I assume it is also OK to punch an asshole in the face for not minding their own damn business, correct?


Which is why you tell them their fat then run away because any exercise is good for fat people.
 
2013-01-24 09:46:55 AM
Bullying people, how's that working for society? BioEthicist forgot their ethics.
 
2013-01-24 09:47:18 AM
Bullying works. Always has. It is an evolutionary instinct. Taking it away just makes losers not want to improve.
 
2013-01-24 09:48:44 AM

IlGreven: Funny, the same people who laugh at the fatties also laugh at New York for banning extra large Cokes. Which is it?


Can't we make fun of people without making laws to oppress them?
 
2013-01-24 09:48:56 AM

bighairyguy: He sounds like he wants to justify his need to be a bully.


Dingdingding! We have a winnah!
 
2013-01-24 09:49:22 AM
Make being fat cost prohibitive. If the fatty wants healthcare he'll need to spend three times as much. If the fatty wants that extra large bucket of fried chicken it'll be $40. Simple economics. No shaming required.
 
2013-01-24 09:49:44 AM

radiumsoup: it's largely worked for smoking, didn't it?

/taxing helped, but not very much.


No. Education, heavy taxes making them prohibitively expensive and banning the farking things almost everywhere worked for smoking.

This prick wants a moral justification for being a coont "its for their own good"

A stranger makes any "shaming" comments about my appearance uninvited will get a smack in the farking face, assuming I can catch the cowardly little fark.
 
2013-01-24 09:49:47 AM
If weight issues are linked with mental issues, adding psychological attacks is only going to make the problem worse. I have struggled with both depression and my weight for years, and articles like these, and the resulting Fark "all fat people should go kill themselves" threads haven't motivated me to exercise, they've made me want to hurt myself and/or drink myself into a stupor. It's hard enough for me to leave the house to begin with. Please don't make it even harder.
 
2013-01-24 09:49:56 AM

WhiskeyBoy: IlGreven: Funny, the same people who laugh at the fatties also laugh at New York for banning extra large Cokes. Which is it?

Both. If you're fat because you can't stop yourself from gulping down 64 fluid ounces of soda every time you stop at a gas station or fast food joint it means you lack self-control. The government protecting you from yourself has also had the negative impact of preventing me (someone WITH self-control) from enjoying a large beverage purchased at a gas station for the duration of a road trip.


Excellent point.  And to bring it back to obesity, it's a complex disorder that can't be solved with something as blunt and general as shaming.
 
2013-01-24 09:50:09 AM
Wrong target. The people who should be shamed are the greedy farks who rake in monstrous amounts of dollars by selling unhealthy addictive feed to their herds of indentured custommers.
But you would have to destroy the "capitalist" neofeudal structure of power in murika to do that, so won't happen
 
2013-01-24 09:50:24 AM
That article sounds fat.

hbk72777: "If you are overweight or obese, are you pleased with the way that you look?"


This is great, let's line the streets with posters demeaning everyone

"If you are black or dark brown, are you pleased with the way that you look?"

"If you are Jewish or have a big honker, are you pleased with the way that you look?"

"If you are in a wheelchair or missing legs, are you pleased with the way that you look?"


Except fat people have potentially more control over their looks than those of different races/ethnicities or those with handicaps. Potentially. They just have to put the bag of Cheetos down.
 
2013-01-24 09:51:02 AM

WTF Indeed: Make being fat cost prohibitive. If the fatty wants healthcare he'll need to spend three times as much. If the fatty wants that extra large bucket of fried chicken it'll be $40. Simple economics. No shaming required.


It works for cigarette smoking...
 
2013-01-24 09:52:03 AM
Anyone seen that one commercial for soup? The Oh Oh Oh crap. They end with a bunch of ladies going OOOHHH while a former fatty is in a blue dress that she can fit in now. That's great and all but she still has ham arms... I guess the soup doesn't help you if you have hams for arms...
 
2013-01-24 09:52:12 AM

Queensowntalia: If weight issues are linked with mental issues, adding psychological attacks is only going to make the problem worse. I have struggled with both depression and my weight for years, and articles like these, and the resulting Fark "all fat people should go kill themselves" threads haven't motivated me to exercise, they've made me want to hurt myself and/or drink myself into a stupor. It's hard enough for me to leave the house to begin with. Please don't make it even harder.


Well said.
 
2013-01-24 09:52:26 AM
Oooh fatty thread!

off to find some pork rinds
 
2013-01-24 09:52:32 AM

IlGreven: Funny, the same people who laugh at the fatties also laugh at New York for banning extra large Cokes. Which is it?


"We should have the right to choose for ourselves!"

"Hey, you! You chose poorly!"
 
2013-01-24 09:53:03 AM

DuncanMhor: radiumsoup: it's largely worked for smoking, didn't it?

/taxing helped, but not very much.

No. Education, heavy taxes making them prohibitively expensive and banning the farking things almost everywhere worked for smoking.

This prick wants a moral justification for being a coont "its for their own good"

A stranger makes any "shaming" comments about my appearance uninvited will get a smack in the farking face, assuming I can catch the cowardly little fark.


The social stigma went a long way as well though. People have always known cigarettes were bad for you (and actually if you look at the real science, the risk, while very real, is overblown). I can step outside for a smoke. I can afford a pack even if you have crazy prices.

But I gave up smoking mainly because you knew people looked at you and said, "man, you are an idiot for smoking". The other things help, sure, but eventually you have to make someone not want to be a smoker\fat\whatever.
 
2013-01-24 09:53:04 AM

WTF Indeed: Make being fat cost prohibitive. If the fatty wants healthcare he'll need to spend three times as much. If the fatty wants that extra large bucket of fried chicken it'll be $40. Simple economics. No shaming required.


We should.

We make being successful cost prohibitive, being male, being white, why not fat? They pay more for life insurance, why not health insurance?

Maybe you dems can make universal life insurance the next big thing? That would be a hoot.
 
2013-01-24 09:53:12 AM

Diogenes: WhiskeyBoy: IlGreven: Funny, the same people who laugh at the fatties also laugh at New York for banning extra large Cokes. Which is it?

Both. If you're fat because you can't stop yourself from gulping down 64 fluid ounces of soda every time you stop at a gas station or fast food joint it means you lack self-control. The government protecting you from yourself has also had the negative impact of preventing me (someone WITH self-control) from enjoying a large beverage purchased at a gas station for the duration of a road trip.

Excellent point.  And to bring it back to obesity, it's a complex disorder that can't be solved with something as blunt and general as shaming.


And there are genetic conditions that either make people more prone to being fat, or outright can't help it. A lot of those chromosomal abnormalities can cause it (i.e. Angelman syndrome).
 
2013-01-24 09:53:30 AM

Carth: The Angry Hand of God: I assume it is also OK to punch an asshole in the face for not minding their own damn business, correct?

Sure, but since obesity adds around 190 billion a year to health care costs making sure fat people lose weight is everyone's business.


And how much does depression and other psychological disorders add?

Plus, when this guy inevitably runs across a fat person he shouldn't have bullied, how much does reconstructive orthodontic surgery add?

/we fatties can throw a punch
//usually only one
///already feeling a bit winded
////virgules
 
2013-01-24 09:54:00 AM

LineNoise: So pointing out to someone, an adult nonetheless, that they live an unhealthy lifestyle now counts as bullying?


Yes. Didn't you get the memo? You're not allowed to make anyone feel bad about themselves for their obvious bad choices and lack of responsibility.
 
2013-01-24 09:54:21 AM

Carth: Sure, but since obesity adds around 190 billion a year to health care costs making sure fat people lose weight is everyone's business.


So what you're saying is that lawmakers are going to be lobbied heavily [pun, lol] to ensure that the obesity problem grows.

/no more recess in schools
//job security
 
2013-01-24 09:55:05 AM

Thunderpipes: We should.

We make being successful cost prohibitive, being male, being white, why not fat? They pay more for life insurance, why not health insurance?

Maybe you dems can make universal life insurance the next big thing? That would be a hoot.


This is fat thread, the retarded comments thread is somewhere else.
 
2013-01-24 09:55:37 AM
I agree. When did it become okay to be a pig? It's unattractive and unhealthy.
 
2013-01-24 09:56:21 AM

Queensowntalia: If weight issues are linked with mental issues, adding psychological attacks is only going to make the problem worse. I have struggled with both depression and my weight for years, and articles like these, and the resulting Fark "all fat people should go kill themselves" threads haven't motivated me to exercise, they've made me want to hurt myself and/or drink myself into a stupor. It's hard enough for me to leave the house to begin with. Please don't make it even harder.


So you are an average Farker?

What would you like, people to give you free pizza and say "well done!"? Sorry to sound harsh, but if you have the money to buy booze and eat so much and not leave the house, you have the money to go to a gym, hire a personal trainer and a shrink. I am reminded of the Simpsons's episode where Homer was in therapy like One Flew Over the Cookoo's Nest.
 
2013-01-24 09:56:36 AM

Thunderpipes: WTF Indeed: Make being fat cost prohibitive. If the fatty wants healthcare he'll need to spend three times as much. If the fatty wants that extra large bucket of fried chicken it'll be $40. Simple economics. No shaming required.

We should.

We make being successful cost prohibitive, being male, being white, why not fat? They pay more for life insurance, why not health insurance?

Maybe you dems can make universal life insurance the next big thing? That would be a hoot.


Well, lookee who's all up in a fatty thread with his politics derp this morning.
 
2013-01-24 09:56:42 AM

hbk72777: "If you are overweight or obese, are you pleased with the way that you look?"


This is great, let's line the streets with posters demeaning everyone

"If you are black or dark brown, are you pleased with the way that you look?"

"If you are Jewish or have a big honker, are you pleased with the way that you look?"

"If you are in a wheelchair or missing legs, are you pleased with the way that you look?"


"One of these things is not like the others,
One of these things just doesn't belong,
Can you tell which thing is not like the others
By the time I finish my song?"
 
2013-01-24 09:57:07 AM
I prefer my fatties corn-fed.
 
2013-01-24 09:57:31 AM
People should stop being so sensitive. The guy actually said he wanted to sham fatties. Just think how comfortable they would be on your bed.

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2013-01-24 09:58:04 AM
Coddling and acceptance isn't what motivated me to lose 80 pounds. Ridicule did. Oh and I didn't want to be diabetic. There's that too, but mostly it was the ridicule.
 
2013-01-24 09:58:24 AM

xanadian: WTF Indeed: Make being fat cost prohibitive. If the fatty wants healthcare he'll need to spend three times as much. If the fatty wants that extra large bucket of fried chicken it'll be $40. Simple economics. No shaming required.

It works for cigarette smoking...


Not sure if serious.
The only people I know who buy cigarettes are the ones that can't afford it.
 
2013-01-24 09:58:39 AM
I too loved the line about "free range fat people."
 
2013-01-24 09:58:58 AM

MikeBoomshadow: Carth: The Angry Hand of God: I assume it is also OK to punch an asshole in the face for not minding their own damn business, correct?

Sure, but since obesity adds around 190 billion a year to health care costs making sure fat people lose weight is everyone's business.

And how much does depression and other psychological disorders add?

Plus, when this guy inevitably runs across a fat person he shouldn't have bullied, how much does reconstructive orthodontic surgery add?

/we fatties can throw a punch
//usually only one
///already feeling a bit winded
////virgules


Far less. Depression costs are less than 90 billion. Yes, some obesity is linked to mental illness but far more often it is people don't know how to eat healthy or just don't want to exercise.
 
2013-01-24 09:59:04 AM

DuncanMhor: radiumsoup: it's largely worked for smoking, didn't it?

/taxing helped, but not very much.

No. Education, heavy taxes making them prohibitively expensive and banning the farking things almost everywhere worked for smoking.

This prick wants a moral justification for being a coont "its for their own good"

A stranger makes any "shaming" comments about my appearance uninvited will get a smack in the farking face, assuming I can catch the cowardly little fark.


"Banning them everywhere"... where do you think that came from, exactly? You're talking about social stigmas... in other words, society telling smokers that they're bad for lighting up in public. That's a very passive-aggressive way of shaming people into changing their behavior. Same for taxes (as much as they had an effect, which I still counter is less than what most people believe, especially those who never smoked.) You can't pass a tax that aims to change social behavior without broad public support for the social engineering aspect. Hell, for further evidence, you can't have a smoking thread on Fark without a dozen stories about how horrible people treat smokers for lighting up in public. At its core, it's a social shaming ritual, and it's more effective than anything else at getting kids to *never* smoke in the first place. All the old smokers die out, and the rest are shamed into thinking it's such a bad practice that they never start to begin with - that seems to be the goal, anyway.

This is not an observation on the fellow in the article, and I could care less about him. I'm observing that the underlying idea that social stigmas have an enormous impact on behavior is indeed very accurate.
 
2013-01-24 09:59:14 AM

Thunderpipes: WTF Indeed: Make being fat cost prohibitive. If the fatty wants healthcare he'll need to spend three times as much. If the fatty wants that extra large bucket of fried chicken it'll be $40. Simple economics. No shaming required.

We should.

We make being successful cost prohibitive, being male, being white, why not fat? They pay more for life insurance, why not health insurance?

Maybe you dems can make universal life insurance the next big thing? That would be a hoot.


Speaking as a white male, how has my ethnicity become more cost prohibitive? The fact is, I'm actually a fair amount better off than I was four years ago, and can easily see improved earning potential in my field over the next four--and that's after taxes.
 
2013-01-24 10:00:07 AM

WhippingBoy: hbk72777: "If you are overweight or obese, are you pleased with the way that you look?"


This is great, let's line the streets with posters demeaning everyone

"If you are black or dark brown, are you pleased with the way that you look?"

"If you are Jewish or have a big honker, are you pleased with the way that you look?"

"If you are in a wheelchair or missing legs, are you pleased with the way that you look?"

"One of these things is not like the others,
One of these things just doesn't belong,
Can you tell which thing is not like the others
By the time I finish my song?"


So every morbidly obese person has zero control over that state?

I'm perfectly ok with those with confirmable disorders that lead to obesity being recognized as such, but in the absence of such a disorder, I don't see a problem with expecting the individual to be held accountable.
 
2013-01-24 10:00:20 AM

Vodka Zombie: Haven't we been shaming fat people for decades already?


I think once you reach a certain level of fat, you become invulnerable.

If you find yourself feeling entitled to a free scooter in every building you go to and are willing to take disability benefits for being fat, shame is an odd concept in your world.
 
2013-01-24 10:02:00 AM

ph0rk: WhippingBoy: hbk72777: "If you are overweight or obese, are you pleased with the way that you look?"


This is great, let's line the streets with posters demeaning everyone

"If you are black or dark brown, are you pleased with the way that you look?"

"If you are Jewish or have a big honker, are you pleased with the way that you look?"

"If you are in a wheelchair or missing legs, are you pleased with the way that you look?"

"One of these things is not like the others,
One of these things just doesn't belong,
Can you tell which thing is not like the others
By the time I finish my song?"

So every morbidly obese person has zero control over that state?

I'm perfectly ok with those with confirmable disorders that lead to obesity being recognized as such, but in the absence of such a disorder, I don't see a problem with expecting the individual to be held accountable.


Yes, that was my point. You have no control of being jewish or black or missing your legs, but you do have control over your own body (in the fast majority of cases). Comparing a morbidly obese person to a black person is intellectually dishonest.
 
2013-01-24 10:02:24 AM
Like fat people are capable of having feelings.   I'm not sure that they even qualify to be called people.
 
2013-01-24 10:02:35 AM
I said years ago to quit acting like they have a disease, they gave them all kinds of excuses for being fat when the reason was you are just lazy.
 
2013-01-24 10:03:35 AM

abhorrent1: I agree. When did it become okay to be a pig? It's unattractive and unhealthy.


The same instant it became okay to be an assclown and be mean to people because you don't like how they look.

I'd rather hang with my fat buddies than with a jerk like you. Admittedly, some of them make me look thinner by comparison, but still.

Tell you what: I'll eat a salad. You eat a bag of dicks.
 
2013-01-24 10:04:04 AM

MikeBoomshadow: Speaking as a white male, how has my ethnicity become more cost prohibitive? The fact is, I'm actually a fair amount better off than I was four years ago, and can easily see improved earning potential in my field over the next four--and that's after taxes.


You and I were a de facto, off-the-books protected class with special privileges.
 
2013-01-24 10:04:37 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Vodka Zombie: Haven't we been shaming fat people for decades already?

I think once you reach a certain level of fat, you become invulnerable.

If you find yourself feeling entitled to a free scooter in every building you go to and are willing to take disability benefits for being fat, shame is an odd concept in your world.


You are needed in the thread above this one.
 
2013-01-24 10:04:43 AM

WhippingBoy: ph0rk: WhippingBoy: hbk72777: "If you are overweight or obese, are you pleased with the way that you look?"


This is great, let's line the streets with posters demeaning everyone

"If you are black or dark brown, are you pleased with the way that you look?"

"If you are Jewish or have a big honker, are you pleased with the way that you look?"

"If you are in a wheelchair or missing legs, are you pleased with the way that you look?"

"One of these things is not like the others,
One of these things just doesn't belong,
Can you tell which thing is not like the others
By the time I finish my song?"

So every morbidly obese person has zero control over that state?

I'm perfectly ok with those with confirmable disorders that lead to obesity being recognized as such, but in the absence of such a disorder, I don't see a problem with expecting the individual to be held accountable.

Yes, that was my point. You have no control of being jewish or black or missing your legs, but you do have control over your own body (in the fast majority of cases). Comparing a morbidly obese person to a black person is intellectually dishonest.


By that same token, the dude (or dudette) in the wheelchair might be there because of their own stupidity, too.
 
2013-01-24 10:05:02 AM

MikeBoomshadow: Thunderpipes: WTF Indeed: Make being fat cost prohibitive. If the fatty wants healthcare he'll need to spend three times as much. If the fatty wants that extra large bucket of fried chicken it'll be $40. Simple economics. No shaming required.

We should.

We make being successful cost prohibitive, being male, being white, why not fat? They pay more for life insurance, why not health insurance?

Maybe you dems can make universal life insurance the next big thing? That would be a hoot.

Speaking as a white male, how has my ethnicity become more cost prohibitive? The fact is, I'm actually a fair amount better off than I was four years ago, and can easily see improved earning potential in my field over the next four--and that's after taxes.


UIh huh, sure. How was your White only scholarship or your affirmative action promotion?

Want to see the real fun? In 2040 or so, when white people are the minority, do you really think Democrats will be there defending the white man? Slavery will probably be made legal again. Your kids will suffer, but you don't care, because free stuff! Yay!
 
2013-01-24 10:05:55 AM

Carth: The Angry Hand of God: I assume it is also OK to punch an asshole in the face for not minding their own damn business, correct?

Sure, but since obesity adds around 190 billion a year to health care costs making sure fat people lose weight is everyone's business.


just not true.

if you live a healthier life, you are gona live longer, and still die of some kind of cancer, so actualy costing more.
In the long run, the fatties and the smockers cost less as the average, because they die younger.
Idealy, just around retirement age.
 
2013-01-24 10:06:08 AM
I'm a big fat guy. Shame doesn't do it. I know.
I already feel ashamed that I have to ask for a seatbelt extender on a flight.
I already feel ashamed that I can't run around with my kids in the yard for more than 3 seconds without getting exhausted.
I already feel ashamed that I take up more than one seat on the subway.
I already feel ashamed that I can't walk more than a couple of blocks without my back screaming "What the fark are you doing to me?"
I already feel ashamed that I can't walk into any clothing store and expect that they'll have something that will fit.

Smoking vs. Obesity: You don't have to smoke, you do have to eat. Declining rates for smoking are primarily due to keeping them away from kids until they're old enough to know better. Just like with smoking though, someone has to want to quit. If they don't want to quit, no amount of shame will improve the situation.

Which is why I don't think kids should be involved in religion until they're old enough to know better.
 
2013-01-24 10:06:14 AM

Thunderpipes: Want to see the real fun? In 2040 or so, when white people are the minority, do you really think Democrats will be there defending the white man? Slavery will probably be made legal again. Your kids will suffer, but you don't care, because free stuff! Yay!


What color is your motley?
 
2013-01-24 10:06:30 AM
CHALLENGE ACCEPTED!

i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-24 10:06:40 AM

WhippingBoy: ph0rk: WhippingBoy: hbk72777: "If you are overweight or obese, are you pleased with the way that you look?"


This is great, let's line the streets with posters demeaning everyone

"If you are black or dark brown, are you pleased with the way that you look?"

"If you are Jewish or have a big honker, are you pleased with the way that you look?"

"If you are in a wheelchair or missing legs, are you pleased with the way that you look?"

"One of these things is not like the others,
One of these things just doesn't belong,
Can you tell which thing is not like the others
By the time I finish my song?"

So every morbidly obese person has zero control over that state?

I'm perfectly ok with those with confirmable disorders that lead to obesity being recognized as such, but in the absence of such a disorder, I don't see a problem with expecting the individual to be held accountable.

Yes, that was my point. You have no control of being jewish or black or missing your legs, but you do have control over your own body (in the fast majority of cases). Comparing a morbidly obese person to a black person is intellectually dishonest.


So is assuming that every person you consider fat has complete control over their appearance, to say nothing of assuming you have any justification in making them feel bad about their appearance. And if doing so actually improves your mood--or self-esteem--then you just plain suck.
 
2013-01-24 10:06:47 AM

ph0rk: So every morbidly obese person has zero control over that state?


They are being force-fed by the government. And I hate to tell you this, but...

Soylent Pâté is people!
 
2013-01-24 10:07:04 AM
I have friends that are obese. Also obesity runs (walks) in my family. It really makes no difference to me. If you are comfortable with how you look and are fairly healthy then fine.

What annoys me are the people that themselves bring up their weight and proceed to make excuses. No you cannot only eat a can of tuna and an apple a day and be that heavy. No you are not big boned. No you are not a size 12.

I don't care about your weight but don't bring it up, then bs me and not expect me to call you on it because it is politically correct.
 
2013-01-24 10:07:28 AM

Thunderpipes: UIh huh, sure. How was your White only scholarship or your affirmative action promotion?

Want to see the real fun? In 2040 or so, when white people are the minority, do you really think Democrats will be there defending the white man? Slavery will probably be made legal again. Your kids will suffer, but you don't care, because free stuff! Yay!


The only thing worse than a fat guy is a honky. Well maybe a fat honky. You sound like a fay honky. Honky.
 
2013-01-24 10:08:13 AM

On-Off: Carth: The Angry Hand of God: I assume it is also OK to punch an asshole in the face for not minding their own damn business, correct?

Sure, but since obesity adds around 190 billion a year to health care costs making sure fat people lose weight is everyone's business.

just not true.

if you live a healthier life, you are gona live longer, and still die of some kind of cancer, so actualy costing more.
In the long run, the fatties and the smockers cost less as the average, because they die younger.
Idealy, just around retirement age.


"Obesity Now Costs Americans More In HealthCare Spending Than Smoking"
 
2013-01-24 10:08:19 AM
www.buddhajeans.com

Looozer...lose some weight fatty.
 
2013-01-24 10:08:20 AM
I love fattie threads. I suspect that, much like GOP homophobes, the folks who scream the loudest are in fact the fattest. Especially when they start making claims about their height, weight, or how long they have until they gotta be at the gym.

/betting the obesity rate among Fark users is higher than the national average
 
2013-01-24 10:08:57 AM
FTA: "If you are overweight or obese, are you pleased with the way that you look?"

I'll assume the "proper" answer to this round of Begging the Question is an unqualified "no". I don't mention this because I necessarily disagree with the answer. In fact, I rather agree with this answer- I haven't met any overweight people who are happy with their appearance. They're quick to admit this usually, and have no issue with being honest about this.

The reason I'm bothering to mention this rather obvious point is because, as I've always known- when it comes to criticism- you are your own worst enemy. Not just because you know yourself best, but because- in all honesty- your own thoughts about yourself are the only ones you tend to take very seriously.

And yet many of these people are still fat.

Now it's my turn to Beg the Question: So what- if anything- does shame from outside sources add in terms of value to that individual- in terms of getting them to change?

If you said "nothing", you win not only the washer and dryer, but... A NEW CAR!


In all seriousness, change comes from the individual. It ALWAYS comes from the individual. Ever tried to explain to a buddy that the girl he's dating is very obviously not treating him well and he should perhaps consider other prospects? Ever gotten him to act solely based on your advice? Do the number of times this actually works seem to be the exception rather than the rule?

I can tell you though what society shaming a person like that is almost certain to result in though: generalized anxiety and, eventually, depression.

Know what a lot of people do when depressed? Yeah, they eat- usually too much.

Brilliant plan there, Doctor Schadenfreude.
 
2013-01-24 10:09:11 AM

MikeBoomshadow: So is assuming that every person you consider fat has complete control over their appearance, to say nothing of assuming you have any justification in making them feel bad about their appearance. And if doing so actually improves your mood--or self-esteem--then you just plain suck.


I refuse to believe that nearly a quarter of US Americans are obese beyond their own control.

I don't give a fark what they think their justification is, and no, I'm not going to get in their face about it. I will however happily sit back and judge the fark out of them for what appears to be the result of their own bad choices. fark em if they can't deal with it.
 
2013-01-24 10:09:24 AM
I battled with weight issues for most of my life. When I was 32, I lost 100 pounds over the course of a year and a half.

You know what finally motivated me to lose the weight? I was in a restaurant with some friends and passed by a couple of attractive women. One of them looked me in the eye, looked down at my body, and said "eww, gross". That triggered something inside me; I was tired of being summarily rejected and shamed. Within a year and a half, I was 100 pounds lighter and no longer felt ashamed to be out in public.

So don't tell me that fat shaming doesn't work. It may not be the solution for everyone, but it certainly changed my life.
 
2013-01-24 10:09:30 AM

alephtau: Wrong target. The people who should be shamed are the greedy farks who rake in monstrous amounts of dollars by selling unhealthy addictive feed to their herds of indentured custommers.
But you would have to destroy the "capitalist" neofeudal structure of power in murika to do that, so won't happen


So instead of blaming the fat farks who eat it you blame those who make it but then this is the era when personal responsibility is out the window.

"Oh I wouldn't be a 300lb behemoth if those evil companies hadn't forced their products down my throat"

God you people are stupid.
 
2013-01-24 10:09:37 AM

On-Off: if you live a healthier life, you are gona live longer, and still die of some kind of cancer, so actualy costing more.
In the long run, the fatties and the smockers cost less as the average, because they die younger.
Idealy, just around retirement age.


Its been shown that smokers more than cover their own costs these days, because of higher taxes, insurance, and the fact that most smokers either live just fine to their normal age, or kick off fairly quickly. Sure you get the ones that linger around for a few years, but they are the exception, not the rule.

The cronically obese though have a lifetime of health issues starting from relatively young ages, and can still have a fairly average lifespan, just that they are in and out of the doctors office every other week, having surgeries all the time, and are on things like insulin their whole life. And that is without even getting into disability claims, etc.
 
2013-01-24 10:09:57 AM

Thunderpipes: Want to see the real fun? In 2040 or so, when white people are the minority, do you really think Democrats will be there defending the white man? Slavery will probably be made legal again. Your kids will suffer, but you don't care, because free stuff! Yay!


img.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-24 10:10:09 AM

Thunderpipes: WTF Indeed: Make being fat cost prohibitive. If the fatty wants healthcare he'll need to spend three times as much. If the fatty wants that extra large bucket of fried chicken it'll be $40. Simple economics. No shaming required.

We should.

We make being successful cost prohibitive, being male, being white, why not fat? They pay more for life insurance, why not health insurance?

Maybe you dems can make universal life insurance the next big thing? That would be a hoot.


Can we get a derp crew in here from the Politics tab? A farktard has esecaped again and is derping all over other tabs.

Being fat? 95% of the time it's a choice. Of cheap, easy, instant gratification food you can buy and eat, without thought or effort, that's loaded with 'feel good' chemicals like salt and sugar, and lights up your brain like a god damned christmas tree, as well as a genetic predisposition to 'eat all the things', vs. self control, and not-all-that-stuff, and exercise.

/fat
/bikes to work, gym 2-3 times a week, still eats terrible
/still fat. See: diet
 
2013-01-24 10:11:31 AM

ph0rk: By that same token, the dude (or dudette) in the wheelchair might be there because of their own stupidity, too.


They might, and if I thought for a second that shaming them would help them grow a new pair of legs, I'd give it a shot.
 
2013-01-24 10:13:18 AM

Thunderpipes: Queensowntalia: If weight issues are linked with mental issues, adding psychological attacks is only going to make the problem worse. I have struggled with both depression and my weight for years, and articles like these, and the resulting Fark "all fat people should go kill themselves" threads haven't motivated me to exercise, they've made me want to hurt myself and/or drink myself into a stupor. It's hard enough for me to leave the house to begin with. Please don't make it even harder.

So you are an average Farker?

What would you like, people to give you free pizza and say "well done!"? Sorry to sound harsh, but if you have the money to buy booze and eat so much and not leave the house, you have the money to go to a gym, hire a personal trainer and a shrink. I am reminded of the Simpsons's episode where Homer was in therapy like One Flew Over the Cookoo's Nest.


We're all products of our environments and genes. Apparently you got lucky that you were produced as "thin". But unlucky in being a callous, insensitive, holier than thou, fark head.
 
2013-01-24 10:13:37 AM
Done in two.
 
2013-01-24 10:13:55 AM

Rootus: I love fattie threads. I suspect that, much like GOP homophobes, the folks who scream the loudest are in fact the fattest.


I always suspect that the ones who do the most vehement fat-shaming are borderline fat themselves, and are engaging in a weird combination of denial, self-loathing, and deflection. Basically, middle school.
 
2013-01-24 10:14:04 AM

Queensowntalia: If weight issues are linked with mental issues, adding psychological attacks is only going to make the problem worse. I have struggled with both depression and my weight for years, and articles like these, and the resulting Fark "all fat people should go kill themselves" threads haven't motivated me to exercise, they've made me want to hurt myself and/or drink myself into a stupor. It's hard enough for me to leave the house to begin with. Please don't make it even harder.


Then we set up extra large suicide booths for fat asses to take care of themselves, problem solved.

Your depression is driven partly by a self image issue if you can't fix that then there is no hope for you, getting out of the house has nothing to do with it, you are on the internet and there are a shiat ton of sites of workouts you can do at home. Expercise also releases endorphins to make you feel better so its win-win, bottom line is just exercise anywhere you can and quit making excuses.
 
2013-01-24 10:14:35 AM

WhippingBoy: xanadian: WTF Indeed: Make being fat cost prohibitive. If the fatty wants healthcare he'll need to spend three times as much. If the fatty wants that extra large bucket of fried chicken it'll be $40. Simple economics. No shaming required.

It works for cigarette smoking...

Not sure if serious.
The only people I know who buy cigarettes are the ones that can't afford it.


So how do they buy them then?
 
2013-01-24 10:14:43 AM

Thunderpipes: MikeBoomshadow: Thunderpipes: WTF Indeed: Make being fat cost prohibitive. If the fatty wants healthcare he'll need to spend three times as much. If the fatty wants that extra large bucket of fried chicken it'll be $40. Simple economics. No shaming required.

We should.

We make being successful cost prohibitive, being male, being white, why not fat? They pay more for life insurance, why not health insurance?

Maybe you dems can make universal life insurance the next big thing? That would be a hoot.

Speaking as a white male, how has my ethnicity become more cost prohibitive? The fact is, I'm actually a fair amount better off than I was four years ago, and can easily see improved earning potential in my field over the next four--and that's after taxes.

UIh huh, sure. How was your White only scholarship or your affirmative action promotion?

Want to see the real fun? In 2040 or so, when white people are the minority, do you really think Democrats will be there defending the white man? Slavery will probably be made legal again. Your kids will suffer, but you don't care, because free stuff! Yay!


Yeah that's what's going to happen. Definitely...

I don't agree with shaming in the sense of being rude to strangers, but I do think the whole Fat Acceptance-Tumblr Social Justice Brigade has got out of control with terminology.
Your doctor telling you to lose weight because you're destroying your knees is not fat-shaming. Your friends NOT ordering dessert is not fat shaming, you're just self centered and think everything other people do is about you.

As for "Thin privilege"? Give me a break.
 
2013-01-24 10:14:51 AM

Thunderpipes: if you have the money to buy booze and eat so much and not leave the house, you have the money to go to a gym, hire a personal trainer and a shrink.


edudemic.com

math

/look into it
 
2013-01-24 10:15:02 AM

WhippingBoy: passed by a couple of attractive coonty women.

 
2013-01-24 10:15:09 AM
We should step up the shame if anything.

Have a nationwide campaign of shame. We should. Obesity is killing us, and killing our kids. In one generation (maybe two) kids have tripled in obesity rates. The reasons are very simple. Kids don't play enough. They turn into adults who don't play enough. It is not soda, or McDonalds, or anything else. We had worse food when I was a kid. But you could eat 4 hamburgers, then play for 8 hours and still be skinny.

Being fat is not a disease, not a mental condition. It is just being lazy and unmotivated. So shame the crap out of kids from a young age. Sure, you might lose a couple in the process, but you would lose them anyway to fat health problems.
 
2013-01-24 10:15:27 AM

WhippingBoy: ph0rk: By that same token, the dude (or dudette) in the wheelchair might be there because of their own stupidity, too.

They might, and if I thought for a second that shaming them would help them grow a new pair of legs, I'd give it a shot.


probably not, but if they're whining about their disability... maybe.


I've never known a paraplegic that has and the one or two disabled people that were clearly to blame (their own drunk driving) were honest and owned up to it.

My point was, unlike the first two categories, being in a wheelchair is not entirely a characteristic beyond the control of an individual.

Much like obesity is not entirely beyond the control of an individual.
 
2013-01-24 10:16:13 AM

ph0rk: By that same token, the dude (or dudette) in the wheelchair might be there because of their own stupidity, too.


images.rcp.realclearpolitics.com
 
2013-01-24 10:16:31 AM

someonelse: Rootus: I love fattie threads. I suspect that, much like GOP homophobes, the folks who scream the loudest are in fact the fattest.

I always suspect that the ones who do the most vehement fat-shaming are borderline fat themselves, and are engaging in a weird combination of denial, self-loathing, and deflection. Basically, middle school.


I will take into consideration the things you say about fat people, but I will NOT allow you to suggest that denizens of Fark are immature and puerile. This is the Internet. This is Fark. This is Serious Business.
 
2013-01-24 10:16:44 AM
I noticed many fatties are quick enough to mock those with healthy lifestyles. Turnabout is fair play.
 
2013-01-24 10:17:05 AM

someonelse: ph0rk: By that same token, the dude (or dudette) in the wheelchair might be there because of their own stupidity, too.

[images.rcp.realclearpolitics.com image 449x337]


Yeah, and?
 
2013-01-24 10:17:13 AM

radiumsoup: DuncanMhor: radiumsoup: it's largely worked for smoking, didn't it?

/taxing helped, but not very much.

No. Education, heavy taxes making them prohibitively expensive and banning the farking things almost everywhere worked for smoking.

This prick wants a moral justification for being a coont "its for their own good"

A stranger makes any "shaming" comments about my appearance uninvited will get a smack in the farking face, assuming I can catch the cowardly little fark.

"Banning them everywhere"... where do you think that came from, exactly? You're talking about social stigmas... in other words, society telling smokers that they're bad for lighting up in public. That's a very passive-aggressive way of shaming people into changing their behavior. Same for taxes (as much as they had an effect, which I still counter is less than what most people believe, especially those who never smoked.) You can't pass a tax that aims to change social behavior without broad public support for the social engineering aspect. Hell, for further evidence, you can't have a smoking thread on Fark without a dozen stories about how horrible people treat smokers for lighting up in public. At its core, it's a social shaming ritual, and it's more effective than anything else at getting kids to *never* smoke in the first place. All the old smokers die out, and the rest are shamed into thinking it's such a bad practice that they never start to begin with - that seems to be the goal, anyway.

This is not an observation on the fellow in the article, and I could care less about him. I'm observing that the underlying idea that social stigmas have an enormous impact on behavior is indeed very accurate.


They were banned everywhere because NON-smokers were getting lung cancer thank you very much. I'm sure that they'd ban eating in the work place if every time I ate a bag of M&Ms I took a dump in your mouth.
 
2013-01-24 10:18:50 AM

ph0rk: someonelse: ph0rk: By that same token, the dude (or dudette) in the wheelchair might be there because of their own stupidity, too.

[images.rcp.realclearpolitics.com image 449x337]

Yeah, and?


Always check the pool before you dive.
 
2013-01-24 10:19:00 AM

Zelron: WhippingBoy: xanadian: WTF Indeed: Make being fat cost prohibitive. If the fatty wants healthcare he'll need to spend three times as much. If the fatty wants that extra large bucket of fried chicken it'll be $40. Simple economics. No shaming required.

It works for cigarette smoking...

Not sure if serious.
The only people I know who buy cigarettes are the ones that can't afford it.

So how do they buy them then?


by me?

Either by trading their WIC\EBT stuff for cash at 50 cents or so on the dollar, or buying them literally one cigarette a time at a 100% markup.
 
2013-01-24 10:19:14 AM
Lots of white knights defending the fatties in here. Will you do the same for smokers? No? That's what I thought. Because smoking is a choice and being fat is not, right?
 
2013-01-24 10:19:31 AM

Zelron: WhippingBoy: xanadian: WTF Indeed: Make being fat cost prohibitive. If the fatty wants healthcare he'll need to spend three times as much. If the fatty wants that extra large bucket of fried chicken it'll be $40. Simple economics. No shaming required.

It works for cigarette smoking...

Not sure if serious.
The only people I know who buy cigarettes are the ones that can't afford it.

So how do they buy them then?


Misplaced priorities. From what I've seen, it goes something like this:
1. Cigarettes
2. Booze
3. Pot
4. Bingo/Lottery Tickets
5. Food for family
6. Rent
7. New video game
8. If there's anything left over, bills
 
2013-01-24 10:19:58 AM
It's the sugar in everything, and it's processed food.  The country is addicted.  I was fat all my life, and ballooned over the last couple winters.  Last April I hopped on a scale after not paying attention for a couple years, and saw 261lbs.  Decided to watch some food documentaries, and viewed "Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead".  Inspiration.  The premiss: Consume nothing but fruit and veggie juices you make at home, tons of flavor recipes that are good, and because you taking in straight up nutrients and little fiber, your digestion takes a break with energy working elsewere, your body burns up a lot of fat, and you reboot your system and break the addiction of sugar, fried stuff, and too much meat.

I tried a 10 day fast.  By day 7 I knew I could do 30.   May, August, and October I did 30 day fasts, lost 100 pounds, no longer crave sugar, or any other of the bad crap.  I now cook "regular" meals, more plant based than meat, and have not only kept the weight off, and changed the way I look at food, but I also lost another 10 pounds since October bringing me down to my goal weight.  Rebooted my body.  Broke the addiction of sugar.  And, once I started it.. it was THE EASIEST THING.

Has nothing to do with lazy.  Yes, there can be underlying crap, but it's amplified by the sugar addiction, just like it would be amplified by alcohol.

/CSS
 
2013-01-24 10:20:23 AM

someonelse: ph0rk: someonelse: ph0rk: By that same token, the dude (or dudette) in the wheelchair might be there because of their own stupidity, too.

[images.rcp.realclearpolitics.com image 449x337]

Yeah, and?

Always check the pool before you dive.


Still not getting your point. The post insinuated that being a paraplegic was an ascribed rather than acquired characteristic. That is incorrect.
 
2013-01-24 10:20:56 AM

big pig peaches: I noticed many fatties are quick enough to mock those with healthy lifestyles. Turnabout is fair play.


Oh please. Give us an example

/turnabout is fair play if you are six
 
2013-01-24 10:21:14 AM

MikeBoomshadow: abhorrent1: I agree. When did it become okay to be a pig? It's unattractive and unhealthy.

The same instant it became okay to be an assclown and be mean to people because you don't like how they look.

I'd rather hang with my fat buddies than with a jerk like you. Admittedly, some of them make me look thinner by comparison, but still.

Tell you what: I'll eat a salad. You eat a bag of dicks.


Look here, we got ourselves an angry fat guy. Don't get too close or he may attempt to sit on you.
 
2013-01-24 10:21:19 AM
Going to have to agree with this policy. It's not about eating affordable food - fat food isn't cheaper, it's just easier.

With public libraries and the internet no one can claim ignorance, but they can claim that they didn't want to educate themselves.

Fat people are therefore just plain lazy. No more excuses. I hate hearing the tired old lines about bad health making you fat. Those coniditions are so rare as to barely be worth mentioning. If public shaming might help people get off their fat behinds and learn how to eat well then I'm all for it. Especially if it can be cast as some sort of patriotic thing to be healthy. I am also totally in favor of making having an obese kid be grounds for charges of child abuse and loss of parental rights. I used to wish I could get my cousin away from her lazy fatso mother before she wound up with heart disease at age 18, sadly what her mother was doing to her didn't qualify as illegal.

I suppose it would also help to switch some agriculture subsidies away from corn, but we can start with a national campaign against fat people.

Can we also find a way to make it okay to discriminate against the obese in the workplace, unless there's proof of a valid medical reason? Had a new co-worker show up one day who couldn't fit in the work truck but my boss was too scared of a lawsuit to fire them for 2 months.
 
2013-01-24 10:22:30 AM

Zelron: I'm a big fat guy. Shame doesn't do it. I know.
I already feel ashamed that I have to ask for a seatbelt extender on a flight.
I already feel ashamed that I can't run around with my kids in the yard for more than 3 seconds without getting exhausted.
I already feel ashamed that I take up more than one seat on the subway.
I already feel ashamed that I can't walk more than a couple of blocks without my back screaming "What the fark are you doing to me?"
I already feel ashamed that I can't walk into any clothing store and expect that they'll have something that will fit.

Smoking vs. Obesity: You don't have to smoke, you do have to eat. Declining rates for smoking are primarily due to keeping them away from kids until they're old enough to know better. Just like with smoking though, someone has to want to quit. If they don't want to quit, no amount of shame will improve the situation.

Which is why I don't think kids should be involved in religion until they're old enough to know better.


assuming you're telling the truth, then if you had been a smoker as a kid, you'd probably still be smoking now. Social stigmas obviously don't work for everyone (including you), or there'd be no smoking at all right now. But in the aggregate, it has a very marked effect. There are virtually no quarters given to smokers, they're treated as vile and disgusting and literally prohibited from publicly participating in the activities which society hates. Fat folks, on the other hand, are coddled and told that it's probably just genetic, encouraged to eat healthy by their doctors and peers, and giggled at by kids in the supermarket, if at all. Anti-smokers have gone to the extreme in shaping society's expectations of smokers. Anti-fatties just point and laugh, with no real teeth... yet (although the recent NYC ordinances are a first step in what I see as a rolling snowball which will set off the avalanche of formally stigmatizing weight through legislation.)
 
2013-01-24 10:23:39 AM

alephtau: Wrong target. The people who should be shamed are the greedy farks who rake in monstrous amounts of dollars by selling unhealthy addictive feed to their herds of indentured custommers.
But you would have to destroy the "capitalist" neofeudal structure of power in murika to do that, so won't happen


If even for just one day nobody bought a single Coke or Pepsi or went to McDonalds or bought a bunch of unhealthy crap at Target or Wal-Mart, our economy would absolutely collapse. Our financial and economic system demands and depends on people to make horribly bad choices.
 
2013-01-24 10:23:44 AM
I'm all on board for shaming fat people just as long as we're on board for shaming people about drinking alcohol.

I've lost friends to violent drunks and drunk drivers but never to anyone eating a hamburger or driving while fat.
 
2013-01-24 10:24:05 AM

Thunderpipes: MikeBoomshadow: Thunderpipes: WTF Indeed: Make being fat cost prohibitive. If the fatty wants healthcare he'll need to spend three times as much. If the fatty wants that extra large bucket of fried chicken it'll be $40. Simple economics. No shaming required.

We should.

We make being successful cost prohibitive, being male, being white, why not fat? They pay more for life insurance, why not health insurance?

Maybe you dems can make universal life insurance the next big thing? That would be a hoot.

Speaking as a white male, how has my ethnicity become more cost prohibitive? The fact is, I'm actually a fair amount better off than I was four years ago, and can easily see improved earning potential in my field over the next four--and that's after taxes.

UIh huh, sure. How was your White only scholarship or your affirmative action promotion?

Want to see the real fun? In 2040 or so, when white people are the minority, do you really think Democrats will be there defending the white man? Slavery will probably be made legal again. Your kids will suffer, but you don't care, because free stuff! Yay!


Yup, just as I suspected. We got ourselves a racist, dumbass troll. Just imagine him speaking in a retarded southern accent and whatever offense you take to him disappears.
 
2013-01-24 10:24:16 AM
What scares me is that getting to the state where you require a Rascal scooter seems to be considered "no big deal".

I'm sorry if this makes me a fascist, but if you allow yourself to get to the state where you're no longer capable of moving under your own power, something very drastic needs to be done.
 
2013-01-24 10:24:21 AM

santadog: It's the sugar in everything, and it's processed food.  The country is addicted.  I was fat all my life, and ballooned over the last couple winters.  Last April I hopped on a scale after not paying attention for a couple years, and saw 261lbs.  Decided to watch some food documentaries, and viewed "Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead".  Inspiration.  The premiss: Consume nothing but fruit and veggie juices you make at home, tons of flavor recipes that are good, and because you taking in straight up nutrients and little fiber, your digestion takes a break with energy working elsewere, your body burns up a lot of fat, and you reboot your system and break the addiction of sugar, fried stuff, and too much meat.

I tried a 10 day fast.  By day 7 I knew I could do 30.   May, August, and October I did 30 day fasts, lost 100 pounds, no longer crave sugar, or any other of the bad crap.  I now cook "regular" meals, more plant based than meat, and have not only kept the weight off, and changed the way I look at food, but I also lost another 10 pounds since October bringing me down to my goal weight.  Rebooted my body.  Broke the addiction of sugar.  And, once I started it.. it was THE EASIEST THING.

Has nothing to do with lazy.  Yes, there can be underlying crap, but it's amplified by the sugar addiction, just like it would be amplified by alcohol.

/CSS


It has everything to do with lazy. Food was worse when I was a kid. Kids were three times less likely to be obese. Blame someone else? Imagine that.

You will regain your weight. Gimmick dieting is no substitute for working your butt off, sweating, lifting weights, running, and relatively normal eating. Sugar addiction. What is next?
 
2013-01-24 10:24:32 AM

santadog: It's the sugar in everything, and it's processed food.  The country is addicted.  I was fat all my life, and ballooned over the last couple winters.  Last April I hopped on a scale after not paying attention for a couple years, and saw 261lbs.  Decided to watch some food documentaries, and viewed "Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead".  Inspiration.  The premiss: Consume nothing but fruit and veggie juices you make at home, tons of flavor recipes that are good, and because you taking in straight up nutrients and little fiber, your digestion takes a break with energy working elsewere, your body burns up a lot of fat, and you reboot your system and break the addiction of sugar, fried stuff, and too much meat.

I tried a 10 day fast.  By day 7 I knew I could do 30.   May, August, and October I did 30 day fasts, lost 100 pounds, no longer crave sugar, or any other of the bad crap.  I now cook "regular" meals, more plant based than meat, and have not only kept the weight off, and changed the way I look at food, but I also lost another 10 pounds since October bringing me down to my goal weight.  Rebooted my body.  Broke the addiction of sugar.  And, once I started it.. it was THE EASIEST THING.

Has nothing to do with lazy.  Yes, there can be underlying crap, but it's amplified by the sugar addiction, just like it would be amplified by alcohol.

/CSS


I do treat sugar a lot like booze. I try to avoid it unless I'm really treating myself, and when I do consume try my best to do it in moderation. When I binge on either I try not to beat myself up and hop back on the wagon for a while.
 
2013-01-24 10:25:18 AM

ph0rk: someonelse: ph0rk: someonelse: ph0rk: By that same token, the dude (or dudette) in the wheelchair might be there because of their own stupidity, too.

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Yeah, and?

Always check the pool before you dive.

Still not getting your point. The post insinuated that being a paraplegic was an ascribed rather than acquired characteristic. That is incorrect.


I was posting an example of someone in a wheelchair due to (maybe, sort of) their own stupidity ... I think. I don't know; I'm not really following this all that closely. Never mind, forget I was here.
 
2013-01-24 10:25:24 AM

abhorrent1: Lots of white knights defending the fatties in here. Will you do the same for smokers? No? That's what I thought. Because smoking is a choice and being fat is not, right?


Smokers have a difficult to solve problem as well, so I don't know that I'd say it's only a choice. But unlike fatties, the smokers did have to make the choice at least once (and probably several times) before it became a physical addiction.
 
2013-01-24 10:25:30 AM

Jumpin Jbot: I'm all on board for shaming fat people just as long as we're on board for shaming people about drinking alcohol.

I've lost friends to violent drunks and drunk drivers but never to anyone eating a hamburger or driving while fat.


Right, because as a culture we've never assigned shame to alcoholics.
 
2013-01-24 10:25:47 AM
It's hard for me to eat healthy, because if I eat too lightly I get all light headed and I get visual distortions in my vision, like someone is pressing on my eyeballs.
 
2013-01-24 10:26:15 AM

Jumpin Jbot: I'm all on board for shaming fat people just as long as we're on board for shaming people about drinking alcohol.

I've lost friends to violent drunks and drunk drivers but never to anyone eating a hamburger or driving while fat.


You don't think drunk driving is shammed? It is one of the few things people will consider capital punishment an acceptable response.
 
2013-01-24 10:26:28 AM

Jumpin Jbot: I'm all on board for shaming fat people just as long as we're on board for shaming people about drinking alcohol.

I've lost friends to violent drunks and drunk drivers but never to anyone eating a hamburger or driving while fat.


Being fat doesn't normally make for good times and getting laid. Booze does. Booze even allows fat chicks and ugly guys to have sex. Hamburgers don't.
 
2013-01-24 10:26:47 AM

Jumpin Jbot: I'm all on board for shaming fat people just as long as we're on board for shaming people about drinking alcohol.

I've lost friends to violent drunks and drunk drivers but never to anyone eating a hamburger or driving while fat.


Jumpin Jbot: I'm all on board for shaming fat people just as long as we're on board for shaming people about drinking alcohol.

I've lost friends to violent drunks and drunk drivers but never to anyone eating a hamburger or driving while fat.


Here ya go: http://www.madd.ca/
 
2013-01-24 10:26:48 AM
I am a slightly overweight, pot using, alcoholic who smokes. I just don't care how other people choose to live their life. If it makes you feel better to make someone else feel worse, you are a dick,and a bad person.
 
2013-01-24 10:27:02 AM

Thunderpipes: We should step up the shame if anything.

Have a nationwide campaign of shame. We should. Obesity is killing us, and killing our kids. In one generation (maybe two) kids have tripled in obesity rates. The reasons are very simple. Kids don't play enough. They turn into adults who don't play enough. It is not soda, or McDonalds, or anything else. We had worse food when I was a kid. But you could eat 4 hamburgers, then play for 8 hours and still be skinny.

Being fat is not a disease, not a mental condition. It is just being lazy and unmotivated. So shame the crap out of kids from a young age. Sure, you might lose a couple in the process, but you would lose them anyway to fat health problems.


So everyone has the same metabolism. Brilliant. Not everyone can eat four hamburgers and play for 8 hours and stay skinny. Let's assume that we're lazy and unmotivated. Well, no matter how much you try to shame me, I'll still be lazy and unmotivated. I'll just hate you for being a douchebag.
 
2013-01-24 10:27:31 AM

someonelse: I was posting an example of someone in a wheelchair due to (maybe, sort of) their own stupidity ... I think. I don't know; I'm not really following this all that closely. Never mind, forget I was here.


Ah, I thought you were implying I was acting like Krauthammer, so I was confused. I see the connection now.

I never knew he was paralyzed, but I'd never paid any attention to his biography before.
 
2013-01-24 10:28:23 AM

The Angry Hand of God: I am a slightly overweight, pot using, alcoholic who smokes. I just don't care how other people choose to live their life. If it makes you feel better to make someone else feel worse, you are a dick,and a bad person.


Yeah, but you still feel worse about yourself. VICTORY.
 
2013-01-24 10:28:42 AM

Thunderpipes: santadog: It's the sugar in everything, and it's processed food.  The country is addicted.  I was fat all my life, and ballooned over the last couple winters.  Last April I hopped on a scale after not paying attention for a couple years, and saw 261lbs.  Decided to watch some food documentaries, and viewed "Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead".  Inspiration.  The premiss: Consume nothing but fruit and veggie juices you make at home, tons of flavor recipes that are good, and because you taking in straight up nutrients and little fiber, your digestion takes a break with energy working elsewere, your body burns up a lot of fat, and you reboot your system and break the addiction of sugar, fried stuff, and too much meat.

I tried a 10 day fast.  By day 7 I knew I could do 30.   May, August, and October I did 30 day fasts, lost 100 pounds, no longer crave sugar, or any other of the bad crap.  I now cook "regular" meals, more plant based than meat, and have not only kept the weight off, and changed the way I look at food, but I also lost another 10 pounds since October bringing me down to my goal weight.  Rebooted my body.  Broke the addiction of sugar.  And, once I started it.. it was THE EASIEST THING.

Has nothing to do with lazy.  Yes, there can be underlying crap, but it's amplified by the sugar addiction, just like it would be amplified by alcohol.

/CSS

It has everything to do with lazy. Food was worse when I was a kid. Kids were three times less likely to be obese. Blame someone else? Imagine that.

You will regain your weight. Gimmick dieting is no substitute for working your butt off, sweating, lifting weights, running, and relatively normal eating. Sugar addiction. What is next?


www.mattfurey.com
 
2013-01-24 10:29:09 AM
I don't think this is a terrible idea. You can't on the one hand say that obesity is awful and leads to health problems so everyone should eat better and exercise and then on the other hand say that people are okay no matter how they look and we should accept that we have reached a point where people need to take up multiple seats on airplanes and require construction equipment to remove them from their own homes. Then again I guess we could just insist that food producers stop tempting us all with such tasty offerings. I don't have to worry about this since my parents gave me a healthy dose of shame and self-consciousness as a child and I don't even think about eating cookies for breakfast or having a second helping of dessert.
 
2013-01-24 10:29:14 AM

hbk72777: "If you are overweight or obese, are you pleased with the way that you look?"


This is great, let's line the streets with posters demeaning everyone

"If you are black or dark brown, are you pleased with the way that you look?"

"If you are Jewish or have a big honker, are you pleased with the way that you look?"

"If you are in a wheelchair or missing legs, are you pleased with the way that you look?"


One of those things is not like the other. Or do you believe that people are born black or with big noses due to a lack of personal responsibility, that being jewish is a health hazard or that people are in a wheelchair or missing legs because they don't bother to walk or grow a limb?

If you are fat then shut your mouth once in a while. You don't need to stuff your face with pie every 5 minutes or so, and you sure don't need all those heart conditions, liver damage and diabetes.
 
2013-01-24 10:29:28 AM

LineNoise: Zelron: WhippingBoy: xanadian: WTF Indeed: Make being fat cost prohibitive. If the fatty wants healthcare he'll need to spend three times as much. If the fatty wants that extra large bucket of fried chicken it'll be $40. Simple economics. No shaming required.

It works for cigarette smoking...

Not sure if serious.
The only people I know who buy cigarettes are the ones that can't afford it.

So how do they buy them then?

by me?

Either by trading their WIC\EBT stuff for cash at 50 cents or so on the dollar, or buying them literally one cigarette a time at a 100% markup.


So they can afford them since they're buying them.
 
2013-01-24 10:29:30 AM

WhippingBoy: I battled with weight issues for most of my life. When I was 32, I lost 100 pounds over the course of a year and a half.

You know what finally motivated me to lose the weight? I was in a restaurant with some friends and passed by a couple of attractive women. One of them looked me in the eye, looked down at my body, and said "eww, gross". That triggered something inside me; I was tired of being summarily rejected and shamed. Within a year and a half, I was 100 pounds lighter and no longer felt ashamed to be out in public.

So don't tell me that fat shaming doesn't work. It may not be the solution for everyone, but it certainly changed my life.


You need to go find that woman again, seduce her, woo her, get her to fall in love with you... then right before you stick it in, stand up and say "nah, I'd rather jerk off..." then walk out, after taking a dump on the floor.
 
2013-01-24 10:29:31 AM

steamingpile: Queensowntalia: If weight issues are linked with mental issues, adding psychological attacks is only going to make the problem worse. I have struggled with both depression and my weight for years, and articles like these, and the resulting Fark "all fat people should go kill themselves" threads haven't motivated me to exercise, they've made me want to hurt myself and/or drink myself into a stupor. It's hard enough for me to leave the house to begin with. Please don't make it even harder.

Then we set up extra large suicide booths for fat asses to take care of themselves, problem solved.

Your depression is driven partly by a self image issue if you can't fix that then there is no hope for you, getting out of the house has nothing to do with it, you are on the internet and there are a shiat ton of sites of workouts you can do at home. Expercise also releases endorphins to make you feel better so its win-win, bottom line is just exercise anywhere you can and quit making excuses.


Thank goodness I have a shrink appointment today, because your comment doesn't make me feel motivated, it makes me want to die (apparently thats A-OK, though).

Getting out of the house has everything to do with it. I have to, to get to work, to buy groceries, to live my life. leaving is made more difficult by constantly feeling humiliated. I can't magically stay locked in my condo until I'm thin. That's not how it works. :P

I don't know why I'm in this thread. They always end the same for me, crying at my desk and wishing I were home getting drunk.
 
2013-01-24 10:29:45 AM

Point02GPA: Shaming works well. That's why you don't see any retards anymore.


Not true, Thunderpipes is still around
 
2013-01-24 10:30:01 AM

littlett's: I'm not sure that they even qualify to be called people.


People as in multiple persons? I think airlines treat them that way, as in charge them as such.

Anyways, encouragement to those who are self conscience. Yeah the odds are stacked against you, but you have learn to like the things that help. I love sprinting. It's always helped me with weight/staying in shape, but I haven't been able to do it for 2 years now due to reoccurring knee injuries/surgeries. Whats worked for me is learning to like cooking healthy on the cheap (the web is farking great for this) and doing what I can in the weight room (twice a week isn't bad and pf is $10 a month). Once I found out that I liked to cook it became easy. Also cutting down on beer and switching to hard alc helped. Found out I like Jameson and there is a substantial calorie difference over time between the two.

There is one absolute rule , no more soda.

There are many ways to lose weight, so just try them and find out what you like. Once your attitude is positive, its so much easier to do it and keep doing it.
 
2013-01-24 10:30:44 AM
I lost 70 pounds this past year by doing exactly 3 things. 1) eat LESS. Doesn't have to be "diet-sized meals", just LESS. I ate pretty much whatever I wanted, but ate it SLOWLY with lots of water, and all of a sudden, I would put the fork down feeling "done". Took about 3 weeks to get used to it. Also started drinking a crapload of water. That "hungry" feeling isn't always hunger. A lot of times it's dehydration. 2) Cut out sugar almost completely (except for special occasions, things like that). 3) Started cycling. Now I eat more (because cycling burns shiatloads of calories), and just feel better.

TL;DR: 1) Eat less, 2) almost no sugar, 3) exercise
 
2013-01-24 10:30:47 AM

onyxruby: Bullying people, how's that working for society? BioEthicist forgot their ethics.


Read what the man said. He makes a case for pressuring fat people to get healthier does improve society and even your life.
 
2013-01-24 10:31:09 AM

Thunderpipes: santadog: It's the sugar in everything, and it's processed food.  The country is addicted.  I was fat all my life, and ballooned over the last couple winters.  Last April I hopped on a scale after not paying attention for a couple years, and saw 261lbs.  Decided to watch some food documentaries, and viewed "Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead".  Inspiration.  The premiss: Consume nothing but fruit and veggie juices you make at home, tons of flavor recipes that are good, and because you taking in straight up nutrients and little fiber, your digestion takes a break with energy working elsewere, your body burns up a lot of fat, and you reboot your system and break the addiction of sugar, fried stuff, and too much meat.

I tried a 10 day fast.  By day 7 I knew I could do 30.   May, August, and October I did 30 day fasts, lost 100 pounds, no longer crave sugar, or any other of the bad crap.  I now cook "regular" meals, more plant based than meat, and have not only kept the weight off, and changed the way I look at food, but I also lost another 10 pounds since October bringing me down to my goal weight.  Rebooted my body.  Broke the addiction of sugar.  And, once I started it.. it was THE EASIEST THING.

Has nothing to do with lazy.  Yes, there can be underlying crap, but it's amplified by the sugar addiction, just like it would be amplified by alcohol.

/CSS

It has everything to do with lazy. Food was worse when I was a kid. Kids were three times less likely to be obese. Blame someone else? Imagine that.

You will regain your weight. Gimmick dieting is no substitute for working your butt off, sweating, lifting weights, running, and relatively normal eating. Sugar addiction. What is next?

 
2013-01-24 10:31:09 AM

Thunderpipes: santadog: It's the sugar in everything, and it's processed food.  The country is addicted.  I was fat all my life, and ballooned over the last couple winters.  Last April I hopped on a scale after not paying attention for a couple years, and saw 261lbs.  Decided to watch some food documentaries, and viewed "Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead".  Inspiration.  The premiss: Consume nothing but fruit and veggie juices you make at home, tons of flavor recipes that are good, and because you taking in straight up nutrients and little fiber, your digestion takes a break with energy working elsewere, your body burns up a lot of fat, and you reboot your system and break the addiction of sugar, fried stuff, and too much meat.

I tried a 10 day fast.  By day 7 I knew I could do 30.   May, August, and October I did 30 day fasts, lost 100 pounds, no longer crave sugar, or any other of the bad crap.  I now cook "regular" meals, more plant based than meat, and have not only kept the weight off, and changed the way I look at food, but I also lost another 10 pounds since October bringing me down to my goal weight.  Rebooted my body.  Broke the addiction of sugar.  And, once I started it.. it was THE EASIEST THING.

Has nothing to do with lazy.  Yes, there can be underlying crap, but it's amplified by the sugar addiction, just like it would be amplified by alcohol.

/CSS

It has everything to do with lazy. Food was worse when I was a kid. Kids were three times less likely to be obese. Blame someone else? Imagine that.

You will regain your weight. Gimmick dieting is no substitute for working your butt off, sweating, lifting weights, running, and relatively normal eating. Sugar addiction. What is next?


Right, because now that I eat 80% plant matter, I will gain it all back.  Gotcha.   You don't believe that sugar and high fructose corn syrup that is in just about everything in a mainstream grocery store including cold cut meats, and processed food.. has nothing to do with it.
Head in the sand.
 
2013-01-24 10:31:20 AM

Thunderpipes: We should step up the shame if anything.

Have a nationwide campaign of shame. We should. Obesity is killing us, and killing our kids. In one generation (maybe two) kids have tripled in obesity rates. The reasons are very simple. Kids don't play enough. They turn into adults who don't play enough. It is not soda, or McDonalds, or anything else. We had worse food when I was a kid. But you could eat 4 hamburgers, then play for 8 hours and still be skinny.

Being fat is not a disease, not a mental condition. It is just being lazy and unmotivated. So shame the crap out of kids from a young age. Sure, you might lose a couple in the process, but you would lose them anyway to fat health problems.


I wouldn't be so sure about that. Excerise isn't everything. In fact the amount you have to move to burn off a lot of calories makes it a poor weight-control plan. A better plan is healthy food. It actually IS the soda, McDonalds and all the other bad foods. Activity helps but it can only cure so much. I think that may be part of why we're in this mess: that very logic. At some point that amount of extra calories from bad food surpasses anything an average child could burn off. After that they're fat enough that physical activity becomes uncomfortable, but they're still get the whole MOVE MORE message, rather than the eating healthy one.
 
2013-01-24 10:31:37 AM

Thunderpipes: We should step up the shame if anything.

Have a nationwide campaign of shame. We should. Obesity is killing us, and killing our kids. In one generation (maybe two) kids have tripled in obesity rates. The reasons are very simple. Kids don't play enough. They turn into adults who don't play enough. It is not soda, or McDonalds, or anything else. We had worse food when I was a kid. But you could eat 4 hamburgers, then play for 8 hours and still be skinny.

Being fat is not a disease, not a mental condition. It is just being lazy and unmotivated. So shame the crap out of kids from a young age. Sure, you might lose a couple in the process, but you would lose them anyway to fat health problems.


Exactly! Stop feeding the little bastards crap and then making up excuses for why your six-year-old needs adult-size clothing. Or insisting that criticizing fat people is offensive.
 
2013-01-24 10:32:31 AM

santadog: It's the sugar in everything, and it's processed food.  The country is addicted.  I was fat all my life, and ballooned over the last couple winters.  Last April I hopped on a scale after not paying attention for a couple years, and saw 261lbs.  Decided to watch some food documentaries, and viewed "Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead".  Inspiration.  The premiss: Consume nothing but fruit and veggie juices you make at home, tons of flavor recipes that are good, and because you taking in straight up nutrients and little fiber, your digestion takes a break with energy working elsewere, your body burns up a lot of fat, and you reboot your system and break the addiction of sugar, fried stuff, and too much meat.

I tried a 10 day fast.  By day 7 I knew I could do 30.   May, August, and October I did 30 day fasts, lost 100 pounds, no longer crave sugar, or any other of the bad crap.  I now cook "regular" meals, more plant based than meat, and have not only kept the weight off, and changed the way I look at food, but I also lost another 10 pounds since October bringing me down to my goal weight.  Rebooted my body.  Broke the addiction of sugar.  And, once I started it.. it was THE EASIEST THING.

Has nothing to do with lazy.  Yes, there can be underlying crap, but it's amplified by the sugar addiction, just like it would be amplified by alcohol.

/CSS


Good for you! As a health care professional, I applaud this!
 
2013-01-24 10:32:36 AM

MikeBoomshadow: Plus, when this guy inevitably runs across a fat person he shouldn't have bullied, how much does reconstructive orthodontic surgery add?


I'm about 100 pounds overweight and my physical trainer just told me I had too much muscle.  Sent me to a massage therapist who said working on me was like trying to massage a brick.  Bring it, bio-weenie!
 
2013-01-24 10:32:46 AM

Zelron: Thunderpipes: We should step up the shame if anything.

Have a nationwide campaign of shame. We should. Obesity is killing us, and killing our kids. In one generation (maybe two) kids have tripled in obesity rates. The reasons are very simple. Kids don't play enough. They turn into adults who don't play enough. It is not soda, or McDonalds, or anything else. We had worse food when I was a kid. But you could eat 4 hamburgers, then play for 8 hours and still be skinny.

Being fat is not a disease, not a mental condition. It is just being lazy and unmotivated. So shame the crap out of kids from a young age. Sure, you might lose a couple in the process, but you would lose them anyway to fat health problems.

So everyone has the same metabolism. Brilliant. Not everyone can eat four hamburgers and play for 8 hours and stay skinny. Let's assume that we're lazy and unmotivated. Well, no matter how much you try to shame me, I'll still be lazy and unmotivated. I'll just hate you for being a douchebag.


Someone else mentioned it. People who have actual metabolic problems are extremely rare. Most of those can be easily treated. This is an excuse made by a huge number of land-whales so they don't have to admit stuffing their faces and not moving. Those 1,000 pound people that have to be forklifted out of their houses say the same thing. Turns out they eat 25,000 calories a day. Imagine that.

Hate me all you want, you still will be fat, it is still your fault. Calories in v calories out. Same laws for everyone, Bub.

Imagine how many problems could be solved if people stopped making excuses?
 
2013-01-24 10:32:52 AM

Queensowntalia: If weight issues are linked with mental issues, adding psychological attacks is only going to make the problem worse. I have struggled with both depression and my weight for years, and articles like these, and the resulting Fark "all fat people should go kill themselves" threads haven't motivated me to exercise, they've made me want to hurt myself and/or drink myself into a stupor. It's hard enough for me to leave the house to begin with. Please don't make it even harder.


Oh, suck it up, will ya? Life is hard for everyone, and I bet your life is cozier than the one a lot of people have.
 
2013-01-24 10:33:00 AM

Zelron: LineNoise: Zelron: WhippingBoy: xanadian: WTF Indeed: Make being fat cost prohibitive. If the fatty wants healthcare he'll need to spend three times as much. If the fatty wants that extra large bucket of fried chicken it'll be $40. Simple economics. No shaming required.

It works for cigarette smoking...

Not sure if serious.
The only people I know who buy cigarettes are the ones that can't afford it.

So how do they buy them then?

by me?

Either by trading their WIC\EBT stuff for cash at 50 cents or so on the dollar, or buying them literally one cigarette a time at a 100% markup.

So they can afford them since they're buying them.


isn't trading EBT purchased products for cash considered fraud? If so they are committing crimes to get them.
 
2013-01-24 10:33:24 AM

Latinwolf: Point02GPA: Shaming works well. That's why you don't see any retards anymore.

Not true, Thunderpipes is still around


i lolled
 
2013-01-24 10:33:40 AM

hbk72777: "If you are overweight or obese, are you pleased with the way that you look?"


This is great, let's line the streets with posters demeaning everyone

"If you are black or dark brown, are you pleased with the way that you look?"

"If you are Jewish or have a big honker, are you pleased with the way that you look?"

"If you are in a wheelchair or missing legs, are you pleased with the way that you look?"


I wonder how many other people in this thread I am going to be add to the list of people tagged with "no problem comparing being fat and being black".
 
2013-01-24 10:33:54 AM
This may be the fattest ITG thread I've ever seen. Okay, most ITGs are fat just not openly so.
 
2013-01-24 10:34:08 AM

Zelron: They were banned everywhere because NON-smokers were getting lung cancer thank you very much. I'm sure that they'd ban eating in the work place if every time I ate a bag of M&Ms I took a dump in your mouth.


try again, sport - they were banned everywhere because of the FEAR that non-smokers were getting lung cancer, something that, while widely published, carries no statistical significance over the baseline non-smoker incidence of lung cancer. Government sponsored studies carry the same types of objectives in "science" as studies by the cigarette companies... he who funds the study gets the favorable bias.

Yoda had it wrong... it's Fear -> hate -> shaming. Fat folks, your time under the microscope is coming. Soon.
 
2013-01-24 10:34:17 AM

MadSkillz: It's hard for me to eat healthy, because if I eat too lightly I get all light headed and I get visual distortions in my vision, like someone is pressing on my eyeballs.


You're eating too little, not too healthy. My guess -- caloric density is getting the better of you. If you eat a lot of high-density foods and you want to change your diet, the obvious answer is to eat less. If you also try to switch to a 'healthy' diet (say, whole foods rather than processed ones), you are starving yourself. In my experience you can eat almost any amount you want if you stick to natural foods (excluding some things like peanut butter, which even in pure form is incredibly calorie dense) and you'll never get enough calories to gain weight. The calorie density really is that much lower. So if you're revamping your diet, set nutritional goals and then analyze everything you're eating to make sure it's meeting those goals. If you don't have protein and dressing on your salad, you'll have to eat a bucket of it to get enough calories to make it a meal.
 
2013-01-24 10:35:09 AM

xanadian: And there are genetic conditions that either make people more prone to being fat, or outright can't help it. A lot of those chromosomal abnormalities can cause it (i.e. Angelman syndrome).


I find it hard to believe that 64% of the US adult population has chromosomal abnormalities.

You need to find another scapegoat.
 
2013-01-24 10:35:10 AM

bighairyguy: MikeBoomshadow: Plus, when this guy inevitably runs across a fat person he shouldn't have bullied, how much does reconstructive orthodontic surgery add?

I'm about 100 pounds overweight and my physical trainer just told me I had too much muscle.  Sent me to a massage therapist who said working on me was like trying to massage a brick.  Bring it, bio-weenie!


If that is the case your trainer should get you into powerlifting.
 
2013-01-24 10:35:26 AM

Zazzy: Thunderpipes: We should step up the shame if anything.

Have a nationwide campaign of shame. We should. Obesity is killing us, and killing our kids. In one generation (maybe two) kids have tripled in obesity rates. The reasons are very simple. Kids don't play enough. They turn into adults who don't play enough. It is not soda, or McDonalds, or anything else. We had worse food when I was a kid. But you could eat 4 hamburgers, then play for 8 hours and still be skinny.

Being fat is not a disease, not a mental condition. It is just being lazy and unmotivated. So shame the crap out of kids from a young age. Sure, you might lose a couple in the process, but you would lose them anyway to fat health problems.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. Excerise isn't everything. In fact the amount you have to move to burn off a lot of calories makes it a poor weight-control plan. A better plan is healthy food. It actually IS the soda, McDonalds and all the other bad foods. Activity helps but it can only cure so much. I think that may be part of why we're in this mess: that very logic. At some point that amount of extra calories from bad food surpasses anything an average child could burn off. After that they're fat enough that physical activity becomes uncomfortable, but they're still get the whole MOVE MORE message, rather than the eating healthy one.


And you realize, of course, and in shape person with good muscle mass burns many more calories at rest, right? You really think exercise is just to burn off calories? Exercise is awesome, because it improves every area of your life, and you can eat more and maintain weight. This is why diet alone almost never works for long term health. Look up the stats, plenty of studies.
 
2013-01-24 10:35:38 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Vodka Zombie: Haven't we been shaming fat people for decades already?

I think once you reach a certain level of fat, you become invulnerable.

If you find yourself feeling entitled to a free scooter in every building you go to and are willing to take disability benefits for being fat, shame is an odd concept in your world.


He agrees:
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2013-01-24 10:36:41 AM

maggoo: If you are fat then shut your mouth once in a while.


If stupid people would do the same thing, the world would be a much more pleasant place.
 
2013-01-24 10:37:15 AM

Queensowntalia: steamingpile: Queensowntalia: If weight issues are linked with mental issues, adding psychological attacks is only going to make the problem worse. I have struggled with both depression and my weight for years, and articles like these, and the resulting Fark "all fat people should go kill themselves" threads haven't motivated me to exercise, they've made me want to hurt myself and/or drink myself into a stupor. It's hard enough for me to leave the house to begin with. Please don't make it even harder.

Then we set up extra large suicide booths for fat asses to take care of themselves, problem solved.

Your depression is driven partly by a self image issue if you can't fix that then there is no hope for you, getting out of the house has nothing to do with it, you are on the internet and there are a shiat ton of sites of workouts you can do at home. Expercise also releases endorphins to make you feel better so its win-win, bottom line is just exercise anywhere you can and quit making excuses.

Thank goodness I have a shrink appointment today, because your comment doesn't make me feel motivated, it makes me want to die (apparently thats A-OK, though).

Getting out of the house has everything to do with it. I have to, to get to work, to buy groceries, to live my life. leaving is made more difficult by constantly feeling humiliated. I can't magically stay locked in my condo until I'm thin. That's not how it works. :P

I don't know why I'm in this thread. They always end the same for me, crying at my desk and wishing I were home getting drunk.


Honey, don' listen to them. I enjoy farkers, but surely you've noticed that many of them have nothing nice to say about most women. And there are several that always seem to come to the defense, but either way, please don't give a damn about what ANYONE thinks or says about you. Go get the book "The Four Agreements". NOW.
 
2013-01-24 10:37:35 AM

Carth: On-Off: Carth: The Angry Hand of God: I assume it is also OK to punch an asshole in the face for not minding their own damn business, correct?

Sure, but since obesity adds around 190 billion a year to health care costs making sure fat people lose weight is everyone's business.

just not true.

if you live a healthier life, you are gona live longer, and still die of some kind of cancer, so actualy costing more.
In the long run, the fatties and the smockers cost less as the average, because they die younger.
Idealy, just around retirement age.

"Obesity Now Costs Americans More In HealthCare Spending Than Smoking"


well, from your linked article:

""Smokers die early enough that they save Social Security, private pensions, and Medicare" trillions of dollars", said Duke's Eric Finkelstein. "But mortality isn't that much higher among the obese."

we were always told that smokers cost so much more, remember?
So I'm kinda astonished that this studie aknowledge this, while at the same time, obese people seems to live just as long as the rest.
Being obese don't shorten one's lifespan?
 
2013-01-24 10:37:41 AM

DuncanMhor: big pig peaches: I noticed many fatties are quick enough to mock those with healthy lifestyles. Turnabout is fair play.

Oh please. Give us an example

/turnabout is fair play if you are six


I do it... when I am dragging my ass out of bed, shuffling to the kitchen for a soda, lighting a cigarette, I'll see people running and jogging around the lake already. I talk shiat about them in my mind. It's the whole sour grapes thing, finding any justification for why I am right and they are wrong. "Well fark, if that's what it takes to be healthy, screw it. Why spend an accumulated 10 years of solid work and exercise to only live an extra 5 years? I have better self image and self esteem than they do because I don't feel the need to do that. I don't have to waste all this time and energy and effort in my life just so I look good in one outfit for a few hours at that party next month" Anything and everything to justify my own existence. And it's not like the person jogging around the lake is doing it for anyone other than themselves. I seriously doubt they're all smug and thinking "HA! I'm making everyone else feel bad about themselves because I am jogging so early in the morning! Look how much better I am than everyone else!" No, they're just doing their own thing and it has nothing to do with me.

The fact is, I like to eat and I farking hate to exercise. I hate feeling like I am not accomplishing anything. Exercise does not equal instant results, so it's VERY easy to get frustrated and think it is worthless. So, I've found a compromise. Other than grocery shopping, I am not allowed to drive after work. I make myself walk everywhere. Now, my walking comes with the immediate reward I am looking for. It may as simple as just reaching a destination (a bar, my friend's house, etc...) , but it feels infinitely more rewarding than a treadmill or walking aimlessly in a circle around the lake.

That being said, fark those early morning joggers still. =)
 
2013-01-24 10:37:43 AM

chaosangel: santadog: It's the sugar in everything, and it's processed food.  The country is addicted.  I was fat all my life, and ballooned over the last couple winters.  Last April I hopped on a scale after not paying attention for a couple years, and saw 261lbs.  Decided to watch some food documentaries, and viewed "Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead".  Inspiration.  The premiss: Consume nothing but fruit and veggie juices you make at home, tons of flavor recipes that are good, and because you taking in straight up nutrients and little fiber, your digestion takes a break with energy working elsewere, your body burns up a lot of fat, and you reboot your system and break the addiction of sugar, fried stuff, and too much meat.

I tried a 10 day fast.  By day 7 I knew I could do 30.   May, August, and October I did 30 day fasts, lost 100 pounds, no longer crave sugar, or any other of the bad crap.  I now cook "regular" meals, more plant based than meat, and have not only kept the weight off, and changed the way I look at food, but I also lost another 10 pounds since October bringing me down to my goal weight.  Rebooted my body.  Broke the addiction of sugar.  And, once I started it.. it was THE EASIEST THING.

Has nothing to do with lazy.  Yes, there can be underlying crap, but it's amplified by the sugar addiction, just like it would be amplified by alcohol.

/CSS

Good for you! As a health care professional, I applaud this!


Thank you for that.  And since you are a health care professional, I will also tell you that when I started the first fast in May, I was border line Hypertension, Diabetic, and Blood Pressure tipped into the bad zone.  I just saw my doctor just before the second fast ended, and EVERYTHING was way into the normal ranges.  I couldn't believe how fast the changes happened.  Normal blood pressure and not even close to hypertension and diabetes.
 
2013-01-24 10:38:56 AM
The only way to get anyone to do anything is to make them want to do it. You certainly can make someone want to lose weight by embarrassing them on a daily basis so that they will want to end the embarrassment. However it's much easier to show them how much better their life would be if they were fit. The first and normal response to criticism is defensiveness. The first and normal response to something better is to want it.
 
2013-01-24 10:39:01 AM
Smoking is not the same as being obese. You can live without a cigarette, you cannot live without eating.

If obesity is such a drain on the insurance industry then why don't insurance companies cover programs and options to reach a healthy weight? Instead they'd rather pay for diabetes medication and supplies and hypertension meds and liver transplants and whatever else is lumped into the "caused by obesity" category.

Set up these shaming programs and we are one step closer to including overwieght persons as a protected class.
 
2013-01-24 10:39:43 AM

sleeps in trees: I have friends that are obese. Also obesity runs (walks) in my family. It really makes no difference to me. If you are comfortable with how you look and are fairly healthy then fine.

What annoys me are the people that themselves bring up their weight and proceed to make excuses. No you cannot only eat a can of tuna and an apple a day and be that heavy. No you are not big boned. No you are not a size 12.

I don't care about your weight but don't bring it up, then bs me and not expect me to call you on it because it is politically correct.


Big boned does not make you obese and yes you can eat a can of tuna for a meal to lose weight.
 
2013-01-24 10:40:09 AM

santadog: chaosangel: santadog: It's the sugar in everything, and it's processed food.  The country is addicted.  I was fat all my life, and ballooned over the last couple winters.  Last April I hopped on a scale after not paying attention for a couple years, and saw 261lbs.  Decided to watch some food documentaries, and viewed "Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead".  Inspiration.  The premiss: Consume nothing but fruit and veggie juices you make at home, tons of flavor recipes that are good, and because you taking in straight up nutrients and little fiber, your digestion takes a break with energy working elsewere, your body burns up a lot of fat, and you reboot your system and break the addiction of sugar, fried stuff, and too much meat.

I tried a 10 day fast.  By day 7 I knew I could do 30.   May, August, and October I did 30 day fasts, lost 100 pounds, no longer crave sugar, or any other of the bad crap.  I now cook "regular" meals, more plant based than meat, and have not only kept the weight off, and changed the way I look at food, but I also lost another 10 pounds since October bringing me down to my goal weight.  Rebooted my body.  Broke the addiction of sugar.  And, once I started it.. it was THE EASIEST THING.

Has nothing to do with lazy.  Yes, there can be underlying crap, but it's amplified by the sugar addiction, just like it would be amplified by alcohol.

/CSS

Good for you! As a health care professional, I applaud this!

Thank you for that.  And since you are a health care professional, I will also tell you that when I started the first fast in May, I was border line Hypertension, Diabetic, and Blood Pressure tipped into the bad zone.  I just saw my doctor just before the second fast ended, and EVERYTHING was way into the normal ranges.  I couldn't believe how fast the changes happened.  Normal blood pressure and not even close to hypertension and diabetes.


No real health professional will tell you fasting your weight away is the way to go. Not one.
 
2013-01-24 10:40:15 AM
Raise the cost of ammunition junk food to make it cost prohibitive. Force gun owners lardasses to buy liability at-risk health insurance and each additional gun candy bar purchase ups the premium. Together we can litigate and tax our world into a better place.
 
2013-01-24 10:40:17 AM

hbk72777: "If you are overweight or obese, are you pleased with the way that you look?"


This is great, let's line the streets with posters demeaning everyone

"If you are black or dark brown, are you pleased with the way that you look?"

"If you are Jewish or have a big honker, are you pleased with the way that you look?"

"If you are in a wheelchair or missing legs, are you pleased with the way that you look?"


5/10
 
2013-01-24 10:40:42 AM

Thunderpipes: We should step up the shame if anything.


After all, shaming you for this derp seems to be totally stopping you from posting it.

Right?
 
2013-01-24 10:41:03 AM

trappedspirit: Raise the cost of ammunition junk food to make it cost prohibitive. Force gun owners lardasses to buy liability at-risk health insurance and each additional gun candy bar purchase ups the premium. Together we can litigate and tax our world into a better place.


You say that like the government hasn't used taxes to suggest behavior it likes since the dawn of the republic.
 
2013-01-24 10:41:21 AM

someonelse: Rootus: I love fattie threads. I suspect that, much like GOP homophobes, the folks who scream the loudest are in fact the fattest.

I always suspect that the ones who do the most vehement fat-shaming are borderline fat themselves, and are engaging in a weird combination of denial, self-loathing, and deflection. Basically, middle school.


Posting from the gym.....

Quit being fat asses, you can work out in your home with hairs, light weights or just walking.
 
2013-01-24 10:41:25 AM

bighairyguy: He sounds like he wants to justify his need to be a bully.


Putting up a billboard saying "If you are overweight, are you happy with how you look?" can hardly be considered bullying.
 
2013-01-24 10:41:39 AM

radiumsoup: assuming you're telling the truth, then if you had been a smoker as a kid, you'd probably still be smoking now. Social stigmas obviously don't work for everyone (including you), or there'd be no smoking at all right now. But in the aggregate, it has a very marked effect. There are virtually no quarters given to smokers, they're treated as vile and disgusting and literally prohibited from publicly participating in the activities which society hates. Fat folks, on the other hand, are coddled and told that it's probably just genetic, encouraged to eat healthy by their doctors and peers, and giggled at by kids in the supermarket, if at all. Anti-smokers have gone to the extreme in shaping society's expectations of smokers. Anti-fatties just point and laugh, with no real teeth... yet (although the recent NYC ordinances are a first step in what I see as a rolling snowball which will set off the avalanche of formally stigmatizing weight through legislation.)


There's not only second hand smoke, but there's third hand smoke (the tar and crap that sticks to everything). Smokers throw their cigarette butts all over the place. Smoking has NO health benefits at all. You have to eat. You can go cold turkey and quit smoking. You can go cold turkey and quit eating and die. Alcoholics can't have just a small drink because it sets them off. Fatties like me, well, there's food everywhere and you have to eat. Yah, we have control problems. Yah, most of us don't exercise (but many do). My wife would go to the gym and spend 30 minutes on a stair master every day and was still pretty heavy. Exercise doesn't work for everyone.

I don't know why most people quit smoking. Frankly, I wouldn't give a shiat if people smoked as long as I didn't have to smell it or as long as they didn't poison their kids by smoking around them.

So stop equating being a smoker with being fat.
 
2013-01-24 10:41:39 AM

Dreyelle: Smoking is not the same as being obese. You can live without a cigarette, you cannot live without eating.

If obesity is such a drain on the insurance industry then why don't insurance companies cover programs and options to reach a healthy weight? Instead they'd rather pay for diabetes medication and supplies and hypertension meds and liver transplants and whatever else is lumped into the "caused by obesity" category.

Set up these shaming programs and we are one step closer to including overwieght persons as a protected class.


Most if not all large insurance companies offer "wellness programs" that will reduction your principle if you participate in them. Pretty much a class and survey on how to live a healthy lifestyle. If you participate in it, and can show that you are participating in it, they will reduce your rates. It saves them money on the whole by reducing claims and you get healthier.
 
2013-01-24 10:41:40 AM
Shaming fatties for being fatties aint gonna work. Been tried already forever, its called "bullying". And people have always bullied the fat kid and they've only multiplied in numbers. Seems to me a better approach is better access to good quality food, do away with HFC in everything and bring bat natural fat to products instead of defatting, over sugar processing everything. But then again im an elitist eurocoont expat émigré.

What *doesn't* make sense to me, any more than bullying the fatties, is this rise of the League of Militant Fat Apologists (LMFAs). These guys who equate being charged an extra seat on a plane because they cant contain themselves in one seat with rosa parks going to the back of the bus, or saying they deserve protected status as disabled or accuse others who say "being fat is not healthy, you should lose weight" either in the media or in person as being oppressors.

Being fat is like being a smoker. It's a choice you make, a small one, many times a day, over many years, that makes you unhealthy. You are not "big boned" or "genetically disposed that way" or "always been that way, always will be". That is bullshiat. What that means is, you've had a dysfunctional diet and or lifestyle for a long time, and its going to be very difficult for you to fix your relationship with food.

You are not an oppressed minority, and claiming status as such debases the claims of those who are legitimately discriminated against over things that are part of their nature, like sexual orientation or race.

If you are really fat, you have my sympathy and encouragement, and I will not harass or oppress you. But I will not grant you special status, and defend my right to not be inconvenienced by you, much like I will ask a smoker to put out his or her cigarette if I cant walk away.
 
2013-01-24 10:41:40 AM

Carth: The Angry Hand of God: I assume it is also OK to punch an asshole in the face for not minding their own damn business, correct?

Sure, but since obesity adds around 190 billion a year to health care costs making sure fat people lose weight is everyone's business.


But has anyone taken a look at how they're stimulating the economy? They're buying more food. They're buying bigger clothes (i.e. more material). They need bigger coffins. I could go on for sentences and sentences...

I'm gonna reach out on a limb and say they do more for the economy than harm it.
 
2013-01-24 10:41:43 AM
Let's shame the crackheads, junkies, and alcoholics too. That will work great! I'm sure they'll take that advice and opinion to heart like they always do...

*eyeroll*

How can someone that educated be so farking dumb? "Bio-ethicist" ... *eyeroll* This dumbfark is even better than that Singer or Sanger or whomever who advocates euthanizing cripples.
 
2013-01-24 10:41:45 AM

santadog: chaosangel: santadog: It's the sugar in everything, and it's processed food.  The country is addicted.  I was fat all my life, and ballooned over the last couple winters.  Last April I hopped on a scale after not paying attention for a couple years, and saw 261lbs.  Decided to watch some food documentaries, and viewed "Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead".  Inspiration.  The premiss: Consume nothing but fruit and veggie juices you make at home, tons of flavor recipes that are good, and because you taking in straight up nutrients and little fiber, your digestion takes a break with energy working elsewere, your body burns up a lot of fat, and you reboot your system and break the addiction of sugar, fried stuff, and too much meat.

I tried a 10 day fast.  By day 7 I knew I could do 30.   May, August, and October I did 30 day fasts, lost 100 pounds, no longer crave sugar, or any other of the bad crap.  I now cook "regular" meals, more plant based than meat, and have not only kept the weight off, and changed the way I look at food, but I also lost another 10 pounds since October bringing me down to my goal weight.  Rebooted my body.  Broke the addiction of sugar.  And, once I started it.. it was THE EASIEST THING.

Has nothing to do with lazy.  Yes, there can be underlying crap, but it's amplified by the sugar addiction, just like it would be amplified by alcohol.

/CSS

Good for you! As a health care professional, I applaud this!

Thank you for that.  And since you are a health care professional, I will also tell you that when I started the first fast in May, I was border line Hypertension, Diabetic, and Blood Pressure tipped into the bad zone.  I just saw my doctor just before the second fast ended, and EVERYTHING was way into the normal ranges.  I couldn't believe how fast the changes happened.  Normal blood pressure and not even close to hypertension and diabetes.


Well done. Its always great to hear about those that succeed. My experience is that so many expect to fail before they even try.
 
2013-01-24 10:41:52 AM

maggoo: Oh, suck it up, will ya? Life is hard for everyone, and I bet your life is cozier than the one a lot of people have.


You seem very uneducated about what "mental illness" means.
 
2013-01-24 10:41:56 AM
Oh look, the same strategy gun control advocates are trying to use on gun owners.
 
2013-01-24 10:42:27 AM
Put a penny per calorie tax on food, and then rebate men $28 per day, and women $20 per day (children would get a variable rebate depending on age and sex). Just think of all of the healthful effects!

Top ten reasons to tax food calories:

1. People would be a lot more careful about what they buy.
2. People wouldn't waste as much food.
3. People would grow more of their own food to get around the tax. Not only would this give them healthier food, without all of those pesticides and antibiotics, it also gets them out in the fresh air and exercise.
4. People would eat less, making them thinner and healthier.
5. Fewer joggers and bicyclists would be out there blocking the road, since exercise used in non food-growing activities wastes valuable calories.
6. The extra money (if any) could be used to reduce the deficit.
7. Fewer illegal aliens would be needed to pick crops.
8. Technology now used to go after pot farmers could be used to track down black-market food growers.
9. Fewer people would be ran over by runaway Walmart scooters.
10. Only the well-off could afford to be fat!
 
2013-01-24 10:43:02 AM

stonicus: WhippingBoy: I battled with weight issues for most of my life. When I was 32, I lost 100 pounds over the course of a year and a half.

You know what finally motivated me to lose the weight? I was in a restaurant with some friends and passed by a couple of attractive women. One of them looked me in the eye, looked down at my body, and said "eww, gross". That triggered something inside me; I was tired of being summarily rejected and shamed. Within a year and a half, I was 100 pounds lighter and no longer felt ashamed to be out in public.

So don't tell me that fat shaming doesn't work. It may not be the solution for everyone, but it certainly changed my life.

You need to go find that woman again, seduce her, woo her, get her to fall in love with you... then right before you stick it in, stand up and say "nah, I'd rather jerk off..." then walk out, after taking a dump on the floor.


Why would I do that? In retrospect, she did me a huge favour.
 
2013-01-24 10:43:06 AM

On-Off: Carth: On-Off: Carth: The Angry Hand of God: I assume it is also OK to punch an asshole in the face for not minding their own damn business, correct?

Sure, but since obesity adds around 190 billion a year to health care costs making sure fat people lose weight is everyone's business.

just not true.

if you live a healthier life, you are gona live longer, and still die of some kind of cancer, so actualy costing more.
In the long run, the fatties and the smockers cost less as the average, because they die younger.
Idealy, just around retirement age.

"Obesity Now Costs Americans More In HealthCare Spending Than Smoking"

well, from your linked article:

""Smokers die early enough that they save Social Security, private pensions, and Medicare" trillions of dollars", said Duke's Eric Finkelstein. "But mortality isn't that much higher among the obese."

we were always told that smokers cost so much more, remember?
So I'm kinda astonished that this studie aknowledge this, while at the same time, obese people seems to live just as long as the rest.
Being obese don't shorten one's lifespan?


The things that kill obese people: diabetes, hypertension, high cholesterol can all be treated pretty well through long term medication. They still kill you but they do it much later in life after costing a lot of money. Lung Cancer is expensive to treat but the treatment normally doesn't last a decade or two because you die before that.

We have kids as young as 15 with type two diabetes. They can be on medication for the next 60-70 years if they don't lose weight.
 
2013-01-24 10:43:53 AM
If shaming fat people worked there wouldn't be fat people.
 
2013-01-24 10:43:54 AM

WhippingBoy: I battled with weight issues for most of my life. When I was 32, I lost 100 pounds over the course of a year and a half.

You know what finally motivated me to lose the weight? I was in a restaurant with some friends and passed by a couple of attractive women. One of them looked me in the eye, looked down at my body, and said "eww, gross". That triggered something inside me; I was tired of being summarily rejected and shamed. Within a year and a half, I was 100 pounds lighter and no longer felt ashamed to be out in public.

So don't tell me that fat shaming doesn't work. It may not be the solution for everyone, but it certainly changed my life.

.

I've been there brother...

I was outside my favorite bar in downtown Atlanta, recently out of graduate school and still unemployed for close to 8 months, close to 400 lbs, drunk as a skunk on borrowed drinks from my friends, smoking a mooched cigarette outside when a random passing guy on the sidewalk gave me such a dirty, condemning look and then went *loud audible sigh* "Disgusting."

I was flabbergasted. Those words burned inside my head all night long, i couldn't sleep. I vowed that night that i DID NOT WANT TO DIE FAT AND ALONE - i was better than this.

2 years later, close to 200 miles of walking, then jogging, and now running and i'm down 130 lbs (and still going), have a happy and successful career, and have met a woman who has also lost over 100lbs. We are Team Healthy.

But it took that little bit of shameful realization, almost an out of body experience of seeing me in the world, not just how i saw the world through my own eyes. I was ashamed of myself, and i realized it then and there. I was just trying to go through life numb/drunk/stoned enough to survive but i didn't want to be numb anymore, i wanted to live damnit. What it really took was that moment to make me want to stop feeling sorry for myself.

24.media.tumblr.com
"Ultimate Self Help Book" by Stephen Fry from ZenPencils

/oh yeah, that article is terrible and so is the guy who suggested it.
//fattie shame is already present in our society.
///all it takes is that moment of realization, the catalyst.
 
2013-01-24 10:43:59 AM

maggoo: I find it hard to believe that 64% of the US adult population has chromosomal abnormalities.

You need to find another scapegoat.


Maybe it's time we stop using a metric created by a 19th century Beligan not-doctor and gauge I don't know, actual health? "Overweight" on BMI is a joke.
 
2013-01-24 10:44:50 AM
Just imagine how much the outrage for this statement would be if you replaced obesity with homosexuality.
 
2013-01-24 10:45:06 AM
I honestly don't care about how good it is for you, or how long it extends your life. I just don't care enough about myself or my body to go through the effort of exercise, and I don't think skipping my next few meals is going to fix that (even though I'm pretty sure this thread has made me want to not eat for the next few days).

/not even fat, just overweight and really unhealthy
//nobody farking cares
 
2013-01-24 10:45:31 AM

Expolaris: 2 years later, close to 200 miles of walking, then jogging, and now running and i'm down 130 lbs (and still going), have a happy and successful career, and have met a woman who has also lost over 100lbs. We are Team Healthy.


200 miles in 2 years? His math must be wrong or he has tapeworms.
 
2013-01-24 10:45:39 AM

chaosangel: Go get the book "The Four Agreements". NOW.


I've never much cared for self-help books but I will give it a look. Thanks.
 
2013-01-24 10:46:14 AM

WhippingBoy: stonicus: WhippingBoy: I battled with weight issues for most of my life. When I was 32, I lost 100 pounds over the course of a year and a half.

You know what finally motivated me to lose the weight? I was in a restaurant with some friends and passed by a couple of attractive women. One of them looked me in the eye, looked down at my body, and said "eww, gross". That triggered something inside me; I was tired of being summarily rejected and shamed. Within a year and a half, I was 100 pounds lighter and no longer felt ashamed to be out in public.

So don't tell me that fat shaming doesn't work. It may not be the solution for everyone, but it certainly changed my life.

You need to go find that woman again, seduce her, woo her, get her to fall in love with you... then right before you stick it in, stand up and say "nah, I'd rather jerk off..." then walk out, after taking a dump on the floor.

Why would I do that? In retrospect, she did me a huge favour.


That same comment from her could have also been the push that made someone go home and kill themselves. She got lucky. Her unsolicited comment to you was reckless and dangerous
 
2013-01-24 10:46:38 AM
The proportion of genes present in a population changes very slowly over time. The increase of the incidence of obesity has grown much faster than a genetic shift of that magnitude could occur. The real difference between adults of today and adults of previous generations is the amount of physical effort that has to actually go into making the ingredients to make meals.
 
2013-01-24 10:46:39 AM

Halophilic: maggoo: I find it hard to believe that 64% of the US adult population has chromosomal abnormalities.

You need to find another scapegoat.

Maybe it's time we stop using a metric created by a 19th century Beligan not-doctor and gauge I don't know, actual health? "Overweight" on BMI is a joke.


I think if we measured "actual health" the rate would be even worst. There are plenty of thin people who can't do basic things like "Run a 5k, squat their body weight, touch their toes" that don't put on weight because they eat right.
 
2013-01-24 10:46:51 AM

Thunderpipes: santadog: chaosangel: santadog: It's the sugar in everything, and it's processed food.  The country is addicted.  I was fat all my life, and ballooned over the last couple winters.  Last April I hopped on a scale after not paying attention for a couple years, and saw 261lbs.  Decided to watch some food documentaries, and viewed "Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead".  Inspiration.  The premiss: Consume nothing but fruit and veggie juices you make at home, tons of flavor recipes that are good, and because you taking in straight up nutrients and little fiber, your digestion takes a break with energy working elsewere, your body burns up a lot of fat, and you reboot your system and break the addiction of sugar, fried stuff, and too much meat.

I tried a 10 day fast.  By day 7 I knew I could do 30.   May, August, and October I did 30 day fasts, lost 100 pounds, no longer crave sugar, or any other of the bad crap.  I now cook "regular" meals, more plant based than meat, and have not only kept the weight off, and changed the way I look at food, but I also lost another 10 pounds since October bringing me down to my goal weight.  Rebooted my body.  Broke the addiction of sugar.  And, once I started it.. it was THE EASIEST THING.

Has nothing to do with lazy.  Yes, there can be underlying crap, but it's amplified by the sugar addiction, just like it would be amplified by alcohol.

/CSS

Good for you! As a health care professional, I applaud this!

Thank you for that.  And since you are a health care professional, I will also tell you that when I started the first fast in May, I was border line Hypertension, Diabetic, and Blood Pressure tipped into the bad zone.  I just saw my doctor just before the second fast ended, and EVERYTHING was way into the normal ranges.  I couldn't believe how fast the changes happened.  Normal blood pressure and not even close to hypertension and diabetes.

No real health professional will tell you fasting your weight away is the way to go. Not one.


You say that like I didn't eat.  I consumed more veggies and fruits in one day juicing, than I would have trying to chew the stuff in a week.  I constantly consumed  very high micronutrients all day.  At least 72 ounces per day.  Sipped it all day long.  My doctor approved, and guess what?  My buddy who has M.S... her doctor RECOMMENDED IT.  She did it, and her M.S. symptoms were lessoned.  She did it back in August, changed her eating habits because of it, and no longer needs her walker to get around.  She has more energy and doesn't have to take naps after each household chore.  Her Vertigo is manageable now.  It improved her quality of life.
 
2013-01-24 10:47:05 AM

stonicus: That same comment from her could have also been the push that made someone go home and kill themselves. She got lucky. Her unsolicited comment to you was reckless and dangerous


Don't want unsolicited comments? Don't go out in public.
 
2013-01-24 10:47:06 AM

GAT_00: Just imagine how much the outrage for this statement would be if you replaced obesity with homosexuality.


Apples and orangutans.
 
2013-01-24 10:48:01 AM

stonicus: WhippingBoy: stonicus: WhippingBoy: I battled with weight issues for most of my life. When I was 32, I lost 100 pounds over the course of a year and a half.

You know what finally motivated me to lose the weight? I was in a restaurant with some friends and passed by a couple of attractive women. One of them looked me in the eye, looked down at my body, and said "eww, gross". That triggered something inside me; I was tired of being summarily rejected and shamed. Within a year and a half, I was 100 pounds lighter and no longer felt ashamed to be out in public.

So don't tell me that fat shaming doesn't work. It may not be the solution for everyone, but it certainly changed my life.

You need to go find that woman again, seduce her, woo her, get her to fall in love with you... then right before you stick it in, stand up and say "nah, I'd rather jerk off..." then walk out, after taking a dump on the floor.

Why would I do that? In retrospect, she did me a huge favour.

That same comment from her could have also been the push that made someone go home and kill themselves. She got lucky. Her unsolicited comment to you was reckless and dangerous


Oh Christ, how old are you??? You may not have noticed, but the world isn't all puppies and rainbows. If your goal is to stop people from being "mean", good luck to you, you're going to need it.
 
2013-01-24 10:48:02 AM

Zelron: radiumsoup: assuming you're telling the truth, then if you had been a smoker as a kid, you'd probably still be smoking now. Social stigmas obviously don't work for everyone (including you), or there'd be no smoking at all right now. But in the aggregate, it has a very marked effect. There are virtually no quarters given to smokers, they're treated as vile and disgusting and literally prohibited from publicly participating in the activities which society hates. Fat folks, on the other hand, are coddled and told that it's probably just genetic, encouraged to eat healthy by their doctors and peers, and giggled at by kids in the supermarket, if at all. Anti-smokers have gone to the extreme in shaping society's expectations of smokers. Anti-fatties just point and laugh, with no real teeth... yet (although the recent NYC ordinances are a first step in what I see as a rolling snowball which will set off the avalanche of formally stigmatizing weight through legislation.)

There's not only second hand smoke, but there's third hand smoke (the tar and crap that sticks to everything). Smokers throw their cigarette butts all over the place. Smoking has NO health benefits at all. You have to eat. You can go cold turkey and quit smoking. You can go cold turkey and quit eating and die. Alcoholics can't have just a small drink because it sets them off. Fatties like me, well, there's food everywhere and you have to eat. Yah, we have control problems. Yah, most of us don't exercise (but many do). My wife would go to the gym and spend 30 minutes on a stair master every day and was still pretty heavy. Exercise doesn't work for everyone.

I don't know why most people quit smoking. Frankly, I wouldn't give a shiat if people smoked as long as I didn't have to smell it or as long as they didn't poison their kids by smoking around them.

So stop equating being a smoker with being fat.


30mins on the treadmill will burn you about 2 beers worth of calories. exercise is NOTHING compared to eating right. fix your diet. exercise to tone and feel better, but losing weight is about your caloric intake, period. unless youre a serious athlete or lead a very active lifestyle as a freakin mountain or marathon runner youre not going to burn enough calories consistently to ever "make a dent" in the gut if you got one. you have to drop the calories. eat real, nutritious food, and cut the carbs.

its easier said than done sure but that's the ticket. eating 3000 calories a day and exercising for 35mins is still probably gonna be a net caloric gain.
 
2013-01-24 10:48:12 AM

Carth: Halophilic: maggoo: I find it hard to believe that 64% of the US adult population has chromosomal abnormalities.

You need to find another scapegoat.

Maybe it's time we stop using a metric created by a 19th century Beligan not-doctor and gauge I don't know, actual health? "Overweight" on BMI is a joke.

I think if we measured "actual health" the rate would be even worst. There are plenty of thin people who can't do basic things like "Run a 5k, squat their body weight, touch their toes" that don't put on weight because they eat right.


Waist circumference to height is a better measure by all accounts. When compared to BMI in the same population, however, the correlation is extremely high.

No, BMI isn't a clinical diagnosis. Yes, if your BMI is well over 30 or 35, you've likely got problems.
 
2013-01-24 10:48:47 AM

un4gvn666: GAT_00: Just imagine how much the outrage for this statement would be if you replaced obesity with homosexuality.

Apples and orangutans.


I refuse to shame orangutans. They really can't help being hairy.
 
2013-01-24 10:48:47 AM

GAT_00: Just imagine how much the outrage for this statement would be if you replaced obesity with homosexuality.


Are you suggesting homosexuality is something people choose to be? Or because they can't get the will power to be straight?
 
2013-01-24 10:48:48 AM

buckets_of_fun: Carth: The Angry Hand of God: I assume it is also OK to punch an asshole in the face for not minding their own damn business, correct?

Sure, but since obesity adds around 190 billion a year to health care costs making sure fat people lose weight is everyone's business.

But has anyone taken a look at how they're stimulating the economy? They're buying more food. They're buying bigger clothes (i.e. more material). They need bigger coffins. I could go on for sentences and sentences...

I'm gonna reach out on a limb and say they do more for the economy than harm it.


They are not buying bikes, speedo, sports equipment, or anything like that, either.
 
2013-01-24 10:48:50 AM

Vodka Zombie: Haven't we been shaming fat people for decades already


Yes.. but the PC people (who shall rot in hell) have made the humiliation of fat
people one of those taboo subjects. I mean if you're a fat lesbian with a lazy eye
and you're black... you're bullet proof in this country!
 
2013-01-24 10:49:14 AM

hbk72777: "If you are overweight or obese, are you pleased with the way that you look?"


This is great, let's line the streets with posters demeaning everyone

"If you are black or dark brown, are you pleased with the way that you look?"

"If you are Jewish or have a big honker, are you pleased with the way that you look?"

"If you are in a wheelchair or missing legs, are you pleased with the way that you look?"


This right here is wrong with you fat farks, you equate being fat with things that a person has no control over. How about you quit parking so close to the building and taking the elevator up 2 floors, Fatty McFatterson?
 
2013-01-24 10:49:27 AM

WhippingBoy: stonicus: WhippingBoy: stonicus: WhippingBoy: I battled with weight issues for most of my life. When I was 32, I lost 100 pounds over the course of a year and a half.

You know what finally motivated me to lose the weight? I was in a restaurant with some friends and passed by a couple of attractive women. One of them looked me in the eye, looked down at my body, and said "eww, gross". That triggered something inside me; I was tired of being summarily rejected and shamed. Within a year and a half, I was 100 pounds lighter and no longer felt ashamed to be out in public.

So don't tell me that fat shaming doesn't work. It may not be the solution for everyone, but it certainly changed my life.

You need to go find that woman again, seduce her, woo her, get her to fall in love with you... then right before you stick it in, stand up and say "nah, I'd rather jerk off..." then walk out, after taking a dump on the floor.

Why would I do that? In retrospect, she did me a huge favour.

That same comment from her could have also been the push that made someone go home and kill themselves. She got lucky. Her unsolicited comment to you was reckless and dangerous

Oh Christ, how old are you??? You may not have noticed, but the world isn't all puppies and rainbows. If your goal is to stop people from being "mean", good luck to you, you're going to need it.


Calm down... seriously, why did that upset you so much??
 
2013-01-24 10:50:13 AM

Carth: bighairyguy: MikeBoomshadow: Plus, when this guy inevitably runs across a fat person he shouldn't have bullied, how much does reconstructive orthodontic surgery add?

I'm about 100 pounds overweight and my physical trainer just told me I had too much muscle.  Sent me to a massage therapist who said working on me was like trying to massage a brick.  Bring it, bio-weenie!

If that is the case your trainer should get you into powerlifting.


I'm 57, so I'll just stick to discus and shot put.
 
2013-01-24 10:50:49 AM
FTA: "He must not have any contact with actual free-range fat people," she added.

Listen, biatch - there's no such thing as free-range fat people.

\no, zooming around Walmart on your Rascal does not count as "free-range"
 
2013-01-24 10:51:10 AM

Thunderpipes: Imagine how many problems could be solved if people stopped making excuses?


Getting back to the main point, the shaming isn't going to help. We're already shamed up the wazoo.
 
2013-01-24 10:51:23 AM

Queensowntalia: steamingpile: Queensowntalia: If weight issues are linked with mental issues, adding psychological attacks is only going to make the problem worse. I have struggled with both depression and my weight for years, and articles like these, and the resulting Fark "all fat people should go kill themselves" threads haven't motivated me to exercise, they've made me want to hurt myself and/or drink myself into a stupor. It's hard enough for me to leave the house to begin with. Please don't make it even harder.

Then we set up extra large suicide booths for fat asses to take care of themselves, problem solved.

Your depression is driven partly by a self image issue if you can't fix that then there is no hope for you, getting out of the house has nothing to do with it, you are on the internet and there are a shiat ton of sites of workouts you can do at home. Expercise also releases endorphins to make you feel better so its win-win, bottom line is just exercise anywhere you can and quit making excuses.

Thank goodness I have a shrink appointment today, because your comment doesn't make me feel motivated, it makes me want to die (apparently thats A-OK, though).

Getting out of the house has everything to do with it. I have to, to get to work, to buy groceries, to live my life. leaving is made more difficult by constantly feeling humiliated. I can't magically stay locked in my condo until I'm thin. That's not how it works. :P

I don't know why I'm in this thread. They always end the same for me, crying at my desk and wishing I were home getting drunk.


And you could substitute the alcohol for sliding a chair over and doing half dips or half push ups. Start off slow and you will find it easier to progress into a healthier state.

I know from experience, after my third rotator cuff surgery I got up to 270 and was depressed after being a lifter my entire life. Now I'm back down to 215 lifting almost as much as I did when I was a kid and lower body fat than at any point of my life.

Start slow but keep going, exercise is good for mental health.
 
2013-01-24 10:51:31 AM

santadog: Thunderpipes: santadog: chaosangel: santadog: It's the sugar in everything, and it's processed food.  The country is addicted.  I was fat all my life, and ballooned over the last couple winters.  Last April I hopped on a scale after not paying attention for a couple years, and saw 261lbs.  Decided to watch some food documentaries, and viewed "Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead".  Inspiration.  The premiss: Consume nothing but fruit and veggie juices you make at home, tons of flavor recipes that are good, and because you taking in straight up nutrients and little fiber, your digestion takes a break with energy working elsewere, your body burns up a lot of fat, and you reboot your system and break the addiction of sugar, fried stuff, and too much meat.

I tried a 10 day fast.  By day 7 I knew I could do 30.   May, August, and October I did 30 day fasts, lost 100 pounds, no longer crave sugar, or any other of the bad crap.  I now cook "regular" meals, more plant based than meat, and have not only kept the weight off, and changed the way I look at food, but I also lost another 10 pounds since October bringing me down to my goal weight.  Rebooted my body.  Broke the addiction of sugar.  And, once I started it.. it was THE EASIEST THING.

Has nothing to do with lazy.  Yes, there can be underlying crap, but it's amplified by the sugar addiction, just like it would be amplified by alcohol.

/CSS

Good for you! As a health care professional, I applaud this!

Thank you for that.  And since you are a health care professional, I will also tell you that when I started the first fast in May, I was border line Hypertension, Diabetic, and Blood Pressure tipped into the bad zone.  I just saw my doctor just before the second fast ended, and EVERYTHING was way into the normal ranges.  I couldn't believe how fast the changes happened.  Normal blood pressure and not even close to hypertension and diabetes.

No real health professional will tell you fasting your weight away is the way to go. Not ...


Oh, okay. I will just look at the peer reviewed studies on fasting as a weight loss and lifestyle being the way to go..

Wait, it isn't.

Even if it works for you short term, you are not fixing the problem. A person could do heroin and lose 50 pounds no problem. Have they beaten obesity? Why can't you lose weight via exercise and a normal diet? Oh, it's too hard?
 
2013-01-24 10:51:33 AM

hbk72777: "If you are overweight or obese, are you pleased with the way that you look?"


This is great, let's line the streets with posters demeaning everyone

"If you are black or dark brown, are you pleased with the way that you look?"

"If you are Jewish or have a big honker, are you pleased with the way that you look?"

"If you are in a wheelchair or missing legs, are you pleased with the way that you look?"


This is great you think being black is analogous to being fat.
 
2013-01-24 10:51:37 AM

ph0rk: stonicus: That same comment from her could have also been the push that made someone go home and kill themselves. She got lucky. Her unsolicited comment to you was reckless and dangerous

Don't want unsolicited comments? Don't go out in public.


Don't want a slap? Don't make impolite unsolicited comments.
 
2013-01-24 10:52:05 AM

DuncanMhor: ph0rk: stonicus: That same comment from her could have also been the push that made someone go home and kill themselves. She got lucky. Her unsolicited comment to you was reckless and dangerous

Don't want unsolicited comments? Don't go out in public.

Don't want a slap? Don't make impolite unsolicited comments.


One of those things is actionable, and it isn't the comment.

Don't be stupid.
 
2013-01-24 10:52:41 AM

DubtodaIll: The only way to get anyone to do anything is to make them want to do it. You certainly can make someone want to lose weight by embarrassing them on a daily basis so that they will want to end the embarrassment. However it's much easier to show them how much better their life would be if they were fit. The first and normal response to criticism is defensiveness. The first and normal response to something better is to want it.


This is true, but everyone has already been shown how much ebtter life is when you're healthy. I don't think anyone coudl ahve missed that, even the obese can admit that they'd prefer to be a healthy body weight. We're now on option 2: ridicule as a motivator.
 
2013-01-24 10:53:41 AM
If you require that "society" needs to change in order to feel good about yourself, you're doomed.
If you feel that *you* need to change in order to feel good about yourself, you've got a fighting chance.
 
2013-01-24 10:53:46 AM

Carth: isn't trading EBT purchased products for cash considered fraud? If so they are committing crimes to get them.


Yah, but that's beside the point.
An interesting story in the same vein:
There was this company in Maine that was selling organic milk and putting it in glass recyclable bottles with a $1 deposit. People were buying the milk with food stamps, then pouring the milk out and returing the bottle to get the cash.
 
2013-01-24 10:54:25 AM

Zazzy: DubtodaIll: The only way to get anyone to do anything is to make them want to do it. You certainly can make someone want to lose weight by embarrassing them on a daily basis so that they will want to end the embarrassment. However it's much easier to show them how much better their life would be if they were fit. The first and normal response to criticism is defensiveness. The first and normal response to something better is to want it.

This is true, but everyone has already been shown how much ebtter life is when you're healthy. I don't think anyone coudl ahve missed that, even the obese can admit that they'd prefer to be a healthy body weight. We're now on option 2: ridicule as a motivator.


Yeah, I can't speak for anyone else, but I understand perfectly how much better for you a healthy diet and exercise can be. I just don't farking do it.
 
2013-01-24 10:54:40 AM

Thunderpipes: santadog: Thunderpipes: santadog: chaosangel: santadog: It's the sugar in everything, and it's processed food.  The country is addicted.  I was fat all my life, and ballooned over the last couple winters.  Last April I hopped on a scale after not paying attention for a couple years, and saw 261lbs.  Decided to watch some food documentaries, and viewed "Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead".  Inspiration.  The premiss: Consume nothing but fruit and veggie juices you make at home, tons of flavor recipes that are good, and because you taking in straight up nutrients and little fiber, your digestion takes a break with energy working elsewere, your body burns up a lot of fat, and you reboot your system and break the addiction of sugar, fried stuff, and too much meat.

I tried a 10 day fast.  By day 7 I knew I could do 30.   May, August, and October I did 30 day fasts, lost 100 pounds, no longer crave sugar, or any other of the bad crap.  I now cook "regular" meals, more plant based than meat, and have not only kept the weight off, and changed the way I look at food, but I also lost another 10 pounds since October bringing me down to my goal weight.  Rebooted my body.  Broke the addiction of sugar.  And, once I started it.. it was THE EASIEST THING.

Has nothing to do with lazy.  Yes, there can be underlying crap, but it's amplified by the sugar addiction, just like it would be amplified by alcohol.

/CSS

Good for you! As a health care professional, I applaud this!

Thank you for that.  And since you are a health care professional, I will also tell you that when I started the first fast in May, I was border line Hypertension, Diabetic, and Blood Pressure tipped into the bad zone.  I just saw my doctor just before the second fast ended, and EVERYTHING was way into the normal ranges.  I couldn't believe how fast the changes happened.  Normal blood pressure and not even close to hypertension and diabetes.

No real health professional will tell you fasting your weight away is the way ...


Emerging studies are showing intermittent fasting as a viable long term weight loss strategy. It is something you can do indefinitely and creates a calorie deficiency for the week without slowing down your metabolism. It will take decades to know the long term risks though.
 
2013-01-24 10:55:13 AM

ph0rk: Expolaris: 2 years later, close to 200 miles of walking, then jogging, and now running and i'm down 130 lbs (and still going), have a happy and successful career, and have met a woman who has also lost over 100lbs. We are Team Healthy.

200 miles in 2 years? His math must be wrong or he has tapeworms.


Looks like it's time to put my money where my mouth is.

i45.tinypic.com

I said close to 200 miles recorded on my NikePlus Running app, i should be hitting that in the next few weeks. Love this app, it's been a great tool for me to really see how my times have gone from barely being able to walk a 22 minute mile to hitting close to a 10 minute mile.
/motivated
 
2013-01-24 10:55:45 AM

steamingpile: sleeps in trees: I have friends that are obese. Also obesity runs (walks) in my family. It really makes no difference to me. If you are comfortable with how you look and are fairly healthy then fine.

What annoys me are the people that themselves bring up their weight and proceed to make excuses. No you cannot only eat a can of tuna and an apple a day and be that heavy. No you are not big boned. No you are not a size 12.

I don't care about your weight but don't bring it up, then bs me and not expect me to call you on it because it is politically correct.

Big boned does not make you obese and yes you can eat a can of tuna for a meal to lose weight.


Exactly. Like I said, I don't care about their life choices but please don't bring it up and make excuses. My obese SIL has now handed down her crap to her son. She was livid when his soccer coach suggested the little guy eat a few carrotts. He is 8 and obese.

Her answer is it is genetic and he is big boned like her but they "eat healthy". I asked her if the gene just skipped everyone else in the family (she brought it up). The kid ate 20 honey garlic chicken wings and a bowl of chips for lunch. Followed by a liter chaser of Brisk iced tea.
 
2013-01-24 10:55:53 AM

Zelron: Thunderpipes: Imagine how many problems could be solved if people stopped making excuses?

Getting back to the main point, the shaming isn't going to help. We're already shamed up the wazoo.


That's not true. In some cases shaming does help. Shame can be a very powerful motivator.
If you've cast yourself in the role of the "victim", then yeah, shaming (or anything) probably won't help.
 
2013-01-24 10:56:03 AM

LineNoise: bighairyguy: He sounds like he wants to justify his need to be a bully.

So pointing out to someone, an adult nonetheless, that they live an unhealthy lifestyle now counts as bullying?

If you are over the age of 15 and are complaining about being bullied, you probably have it coming.


I have no doubt that most of the same people who shake their tiny fists in impotent rage at Bloomberg for his ban on gigantic sodas and at Michelle Obama for encouraging people to eat a farking salad now and then, will also wholly support shaming fat people.
 
2013-01-24 10:56:26 AM

Helena Handbasket: bighairyguy: He sounds like he wants to justify his need to be a bully.

Putting up a billboard saying "If you are overweight, are you happy with how you look?" can hardly be considered bullying.


He wants more than that.  FTA: "Still, Callahan, a former smoker, argued that public shunning of those who lit up led to plunging rates of cigarette use."  Yeah, right.  Not all reformed smokers are self-righteous a-holes, but this guy is.
 
2013-01-24 10:56:33 AM

Expolaris: ph0rk: Expolaris: 2 years later, close to 200 miles of walking, then jogging, and now running and i'm down 130 lbs (and still going), have a happy and successful career, and have met a woman who has also lost over 100lbs. We are Team Healthy.

200 miles in 2 years? His math must be wrong or he has tapeworms.

Looks like it's time to put my money where my mouth is.

[i45.tinypic.com image 640x960]

I said close to 200 miles recorded on my NikePlus Running app, i should be hitting that in the next few weeks. Love this app, it's been a great tool for me to really see how my times have gone from barely being able to walk a 22 minute mile to hitting close to a 10 minute mile.
/motivated


good job! You made a change and stuck with it and seem to be much happier as a result.

It is sad that you don't have any nike+ friends though :(
 
2013-01-24 10:56:38 AM

xanadian: That article sounds fat.


This thread sounds fat.
 
2013-01-24 10:56:48 AM

LineNoise: I gave up smoking mainly because you knew people looked at you and said, "man, you are an idiot for smoking". The other things help, sure, but eventually you have to make someone not want to be a smoker\fat\whatever.


This.  Of course, you can't say "dbirchall, you are an idiot for being 70 pounds overweight," because there isn't really a correlation there.  But "dbirchall, you are an idiot for drinking Mtn Dew on your long night shift  even though you know that it makes you fat and will probably fark up your pancreas bigtime if you don't stop" is absolutely, totally true and right.

Shaming people out of  doing things that they and we all know are bad for them is a lot better than shaming them for the results of those things they've already done.  Prevention vs. cure, and all that.
 
2013-01-24 10:56:52 AM

Thunderpipes: We should step up the shame if anything.

Have a nationwide campaign of shame. We should. Obesity is killing us, and killing our kids. In one generation (maybe two) kids have tripled in obesity rates. The reasons are very simple. Kids don't play enough. They turn into adults who don't play enough. It is not soda, or McDonalds, or anything else. We had worse food when I was a kid. But you could eat 4 hamburgers, then play for 8 hours and still be skinny.

Being fat is not a disease, not a mental condition. It is just being lazy and unmotivated. So shame the crap out of kids from a young age. Sure, you might lose a couple in the process, but you would lose them anyway to fat health problems.


He's kinda making sense here, if you ask me.

I'm not going to feel sorry for someone who makes bad life decisions. We all make mistakes from time to time, but we have to own those mistakes. Personal responsibility.

I've had bad days - work, boss, girlfriend, family, what have you. But I don't go home and shove a whole pizza or bottle of vodak down my throat to cope with it. If you're someone who has to do that then I have no sympathy for you. You are the weaker of our species. In nature the rest of the herd would shun you and keep you on the periphery of its ranks so that the predators would get you.

I like chips, and Dr. Pepper, and pie, and cake, and bacon, and all kinds of junk foods. But I don't make them a regular meal. I know better. How it is that other people cannot know better than that and act on it is beyond me. I have no sympathy.

Now, I'm not going to walk around pointing at fat people saying, "you're fat! You need to eat better!" Or shout "get a job!" at the off-season Burners begging for change at every stop light in south Austin. That's not my job. Not my concern. If they can't figure those things out for themselves then fark 'em.

Just as long as their poor decision making skills do not interfere with my life. Fatty McFattersons are already causing a strain on our healthcare system. So maybe shame from those who have to pay more to make up the diff is appropriate.

Thin the herd. In one way or another.
 
2013-01-24 10:58:09 AM

Thunderpipes: santadog: Thunderpipes: santadog: chaosangel: santadog: It's the sugar in everything, and it's processed food.  The country is addicted.  I was fat all my life, and ballooned over the last couple winters.  Last April I hopped on a scale after not paying attention for a couple years, and saw 261lbs.  Decided to watch some food documentaries, and viewed "Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead".  Inspiration.  The premiss: Consume nothing but fruit and veggie juices you make at home, tons of flavor recipes that are good, and because you taking in straight up nutrients and little fiber, your digestion takes a break with energy working elsewere, your body burns up a lot of fat, and you reboot your system and break the addiction of sugar, fried stuff, and too much meat.

I tried a 10 day fast.  By day 7 I knew I could do 30.   May, August, and October I did 30 day fasts, lost 100 pounds, no longer crave sugar, or any other of the bad crap.  I now cook "regular" meals, more plant based than meat, and have not only kept the weight off, and changed the way I look at food, but I also lost another 10 pounds since October bringing me down to my goal weight.  Rebooted my body.  Broke the addiction of sugar.  And, once I started it.. it was THE EASIEST THING.

Has nothing to do with lazy.  Yes, there can be underlying crap, but it's amplified by the sugar addiction, just like it would be amplified by alcohol.

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Good for you! As a health care professional, I applaud this!

Thank you for that.  And since you are a health care professional, I will also tell you that when I started the first fast in May, I was border line Hypertension, Diabetic, and Blood Pressure tipped into the bad zone.  I just saw my doctor just before the second fast ended, and EVERYTHING was way into the normal ranges.  I couldn't believe how fast the changes happened.  Normal blood pressure and not even close to hypertension and diabetes.

No real health professional will tell you fasting your weight away is the way ...


You do realize there is more than one way to fast.
Water Fasting is one of them.
Nothing but eating fruit is another.
Eating nothing at all is a way.  Thus the term "Breakfast".

How is it, that a fast of 72 ounces of juice that contains the juice of: 4 tomatoes, 1 cucumber,  2 zuccini, 4 leaves of Kale, 1 Mustard Green, handfull of Spinach, 4 leaves Basil, Oregano, 3 carrots, 2 celery, and 1 apple.  Salt and pepper to taste, that I made FREASH... could be bad for me?  Or not enough?

How about: 1 entire pineapple, 1 cucumber, some cilantro, 2 apples, ginger, and mint?

It's a vegan diet.. JUICED.

There's more than one way to skin a cat.
There's more than one way to fast.
 
2013-01-24 10:58:25 AM

Thunderpipes: Imagine how many problems could be solved if people stopped making excuses?


holyfarkingshiat all of THIS!
 
2013-01-24 10:59:04 AM
 
2013-01-24 10:59:05 AM

WhippingBoy: Zelron: WhippingBoy: xanadian: WTF Indeed: Make being fat cost prohibitive. If the fatty wants healthcare he'll need to spend three times as much. If the fatty wants that extra large bucket of fried chicken it'll be $40. Simple economics. No shaming required.

It works for cigarette smoking...

Not sure if serious.
The only people I know who buy cigarettes are the ones that can't afford it.

So how do they buy them then?

Misplaced priorities. From what I've seen, it goes something like this:
1. Cigarettes
2. Booze
3. Pot
4. Bingo/Lottery Tickets
5. Food for family
6. Rent
7. New video game
8. If there's anything left over, bills


Makes you wonder how they got poor to begin with.
 
2013-01-24 11:00:12 AM

chaosangel: Queensowntalia: steamingpile: Queensowntalia: If weight issues are linked with mental issues, adding psychological attacks is only going to make the problem worse. I have struggled with both depression and my weight for years, and articles like these, and the resulting Fark "all fat people should go kill themselves" threads haven't motivated me to exercise, they've made me want to hurt myself and/or drink myself into a stupor. It's hard enough for me to leave the house to begin with. Please don't make it even harder.

Then we set up extra large suicide booths for fat asses to take care of themselves, problem solved.

Your depression is driven partly by a self image issue if you can't fix that then there is no hope for you, getting out of the house has nothing to do with it, you are on the internet and there are a shiat ton of sites of workouts you can do at home. Expercise also releases endorphins to make you feel better so its win-win, bottom line is just exercise anywhere you can and quit making excuses.

Thank goodness I have a shrink appointment today, because your comment doesn't make me feel motivated, it makes me want to die (apparently thats A-OK, though).

Getting out of the house has everything to do with it. I have to, to get to work, to buy groceries, to live my life. leaving is made more difficult by constantly feeling humiliated. I can't magically stay locked in my condo until I'm thin. That's not how it works. :P

I don't know why I'm in this thread. They always end the same for me, crying at my desk and wishing I were home getting drunk.

Honey, don' listen to them. I enjoy farkers, but surely you've noticed that many of them have nothing nice to say about most women. And there are several that always seem to come to the defense, but either way, please don't give a damn about what ANYONE thinks or says about you. Go get the book "The Four Agreements". NOW.


Contrary to what people think here I see nothing wrong with women having a couple of extra pounds. Just keep it in check, some of these people eat so much they look like jaba the hutt and that's insane. It always pisses me off when I see them taking down some fat asses wall of their house to get them out, just seal it up.
 
2013-01-24 11:00:55 AM

Thunderpipes: Oh, okay. I will just look at the peer reviewed studies on fasting as a weight loss and lifestyle being the way to go..

Wait, it isn't.

Even if it works for you short term, you are not fixing the problem. A person could do heroin and lose 50 pounds no problem. Have they beaten obesity? Why can't you lose weight via exercise and a normal diet? Oh, it's too hard?


WTF. Now you're complaining about how someone lost weight? Troll douchebag.
 
2013-01-24 11:00:57 AM
This thread is reminding me that I said I wanted to make lemon pie soon. Might be time to go get the stuff for it.

The thing with obesity is that it has multiple causes. Between the emotional eating, the lack of knowledge, the genetic predispositions, the fact that the US has a major sweet tooth and loads shiat that in other parts of the world wouldn't have added sugars or corn syrup, a culture of dependency where people trade one addiction for another (I'm looking at you, dad. You quit drinking but eat chocolate ice cream to unhealthy extremes). All of this leads to issues with obesity. It isn't as simple as "eat less, move more" for most people. It's the WAY they eat and WHEN they eat and WHAT they eat and WHY they eat. It's a lack of understanding of their own bodies and metabolisms. Health classes are now optional in a lot of school districts, hell there weren't even home economics classes offered by the time I left high school. And cheap and easy isn't always healthy.

This isn't just a matter of "stop being fat, fatty", it has to do with the food culture in the US over all.
 
2013-01-24 11:01:19 AM

Expolaris: 2 years later, close to 200 miles of walking, then jogging, and now running and i'm down 130 lbs (and still going), have a happy and successful career, and have met a woman who has also lost over 100lbs. We are Team Healthy.


It helps to have a support structure. I have almost zero support structure. My parents and friends are always trying to cram nasty food in front of my face.. At least I'm not obese, but I could easily tip that way. I think the thing that keeps me from turning into a fattie is that I'm a goddamn narcissist. :P
 
2013-01-24 11:01:22 AM
Why can't people be nice?
 
2013-01-24 11:01:58 AM

Trillian Astra: This isn't just a matter of "stop being fat, fatty", it has to do with the food culture in the US over all.


If that were true, then everyone would be fat. How is it that some people aren't? Magic beans?
 
2013-01-24 11:02:19 AM

Expolaris: I said close to 200 miles recorded on my NikePlus Running app, i should be hitting that in the next few weeks. Love this app, it's been a great tool for me to really see how my times have gone from barely being able to walk a 22 minute mile to hitting close to a 10 minute mile.
/motivated


People should be walking 2 miles per day.

Congrats on your total, but I am arguing it should be much higher.

running 200 miles, asusming 400 lbs, and 10 mph is 1200 hours so ~65,280 calories.

I suppose that would amount to -627 calories per week which is pretty good. It also amounts to less than two miles run per week, which seems bad.

There is probably plenty of other activity not accounted for.
 
2013-01-24 11:03:42 AM

cowsspinach: Why can't people be nice?


Why can't people take responsibility for their own feelings?
 
2013-01-24 11:05:17 AM
i have no problem with this.

/underweight and just got denied food stamps
//all the fat asses that can live off their stored fat for weeks didn't seem to have a problem getting them
///they should feel bad for being fatty fat fattersons
 
2013-01-24 11:05:18 AM

WhippingBoy: Zelron: Thunderpipes: Imagine how many problems could be solved if people stopped making excuses?

Getting back to the main point, the shaming isn't going to help. We're already shamed up the wazoo.

That's not true. In some cases shaming does help. Shame can be a very powerful motivator.
If you've cast yourself in the role of the "victim", then yeah, shaming (or anything) probably won't help.


You're right. I'm a victim. I suck. I'm a bad person. I hate myself. If it wasn't for my kids I'd blow my farking head off. You know better. You're awesome. You have all the answers. You're great. Want my kids? Maybe they'll be better off with you. I could see if you could replace me at work, too. Maybe my wife would love you more. My family too---my brothers and sisters, my parents, cousins. You would be so much better than me. Oh I wish I were you.
 
2013-01-24 11:05:57 AM
As someone who was shamed as a youngster for being fat and is now teh sexay, I can confirm this.
 
2013-01-24 11:06:01 AM
There are NO lazy skinny people.
 
2013-01-24 11:06:10 AM

Expolaris: 2 years later, close to 200 miles of walking, then jogging, and now running


That's not very many miles for two years of walking and such.  There's something wrong with your app, that number should be much higher.  I've walked 150 miles in a month (weight ~300) and lost 12 pounds.
 
2013-01-24 11:06:20 AM

Expolaris: ph0rk: Expolaris: 2 years later, close to 200 miles of walking, then jogging, and now running and i'm down 130 lbs (and still going), have a happy and successful career, and have met a woman who has also lost over 100lbs. We are Team Healthy.

200 miles in 2 years? His math must be wrong or he has tapeworms.

Looks like it's time to put my money where my mouth is.


I think his point was, and I am not trying to be rude here, that 200 miles in 2 years isn't going to do that much for weight loss.

If you have never really exercised I can see it being a big thing, especially at that weight, and good on you for doing it.
 
2013-01-24 11:06:35 AM

WhippingBoy: Trillian Astra: This isn't just a matter of "stop being fat, fatty", it has to do with the food culture in the US over all.

If that were true, then everyone would be fat. How is it that some people aren't? Magic beans?


I love beans, Mr. Taggart!!!
 
2013-01-24 11:07:42 AM

Zelron: WhippingBoy: Zelron: Thunderpipes: Imagine how many problems could be solved if people stopped making excuses?

Getting back to the main point, the shaming isn't going to help. We're already shamed up the wazoo.

That's not true. In some cases shaming does help. Shame can be a very powerful motivator.
If you've cast yourself in the role of the "victim", then yeah, shaming (or anything) probably won't help.

You're right. I'm a victim. I suck. I'm a bad person. I hate myself. If it wasn't for my kids I'd blow my farking head off. You know better. You're awesome. You have all the answers. You're great. Want my kids? Maybe they'll be better off with you. I could see if you could replace me at work, too. Maybe my wife would love you more. My family too---my brothers and sisters, my parents, cousins. You would be so much better than me. Oh I wish I were you.


That's more like it.
 
2013-01-24 11:07:47 AM

santadog: There are NO lazy skinny people.


But they can be a little cranky and judgmental though.
 
2013-01-24 11:08:09 AM

Halophilic: maggoo: I find it hard to believe that 64% of the US adult population has chromosomal abnormalities.

You need to find another scapegoat.

Maybe it's time we stop using a metric created by a 19th century Beligan not-doctor and gauge I don't know, actual health? "Overweight" on BMI is a joke.


I came to say this. I can't take you seriously when you cite an article that uses BMI.

I agree for more health care costs for unhealthy fat people, as someone else suggested. They do add a lot of costs to the health care industry. However, current mainstream methods for determining whether someone is healthy (ie, giving them a label of "overweight", "obese", "uber obese") based solely on number values of their height and weight is absolutely ludicrous.

Anyone who works out a lot, is military/police, or an athlete will tell you how absurd BMI is. It's completely inaccurate for people of muscular builds.

For instance, this man: Link
www1.cdn.sherdog.com

Is on the edge of the "obese" rating for BMI. Is that man obese? No. Is he healthy? Yes.

If you do anything related to increasing costs, etc, for the fat people, you had better do it based on a doctor's assessment, a physical test, or something other than BMI, like body fat percentage.

It's the same as BAC, really, which also doesn't account for some types of people to accurately represent whether they're impaired, but that's a story for another day.
 
2013-01-24 11:08:24 AM

Expolaris: ph0rk: Expolaris: 2 years later, close to 200 miles of walking, then jogging, and now running and i'm down 130 lbs (and still going), have a happy and successful career, and have met a woman who has also lost over 100lbs. We are Team Healthy.

200 miles in 2 years? His math must be wrong or he has tapeworms.

Looks like it's time to put my money where my mouth is.

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I said close to 200 miles recorded on my NikePlus Running app, i should be hitting that in the next few weeks. Love this app, it's been a great tool for me to really see how my times have gone from barely being able to walk a 22 minute mile to hitting close to a 10 minute mile.
/motivated


200 miles in 2 years is a 1/4 mile a day.

RevMark: I've had bad days - work, boss, girlfriend, family, what have you. But I don't go home and shove a whole pizza or bottle of vodak down my throat to cope with it. If you're someone who has to do that then I have no sympathy for you. You are the weaker of our species. In nature the rest of the herd would shun you and keep you on the periphery of its ranks so that the predators would get you.


Technology moves faster than evolution. Our ability to grow and distribute food has increased faster than the "eat every chance you get" traits have been weeded out. Doesn't matter if someone tells you it is bad, that internal dialogue, your instincts, are hard to shut up. It's also why we still have people in this day and age who think "might makes right" and that as long as they can physically dominate someone then it is justification to impose their will on others. And with such a large and thinned out gene pool, we may never remove these types of traits from society.

I like chips, and Dr. Pepper, and pie, and cake, and bacon, and all kinds of junk foods. But I don't make them a regular meal. I know better. How it is that other people cannot know better than that and act on it is beyond me. I have no sympathy.

Some people are just really dumb. Some people are banking of medical science coming up with the magical cure-all pill. Some people have never truly suffered and are quick to dismiss future complications in life. Some people just don't care. If someone has been overweight/unhealthy their entire life, they may be unaware of how rewarding it can be to be truly healthy. Like a movie or TV show everyone says to watch. It may look boring and tedious from the outside, so it is easy to dismiss it. But it could turn out to be your favorite thing of all time ever.

Now, I'm not going to walk around pointing at fat people saying, "you're fat! You need to eat better!" Or shout "get a job!" at the off-season Burners begging for change at every stop light in south Austin. That's not my job. Not my concern. If they can't figure those things out for themselves then fark 'em.

Just as long as their poor decision making skills do not interfere with my life. Fatty McFattersons are already causing a strain on our healthcare system. So maybe shame from those who have to pay more to make up the diff is appropriate.

The health of society affects everyone, so it is your concern. Though, I'm glad you don't go all "get a job" or "mooooo cow" on people you pass in the street.
 
2013-01-24 11:08:42 AM

ph0rk: Expolaris: I said close to 200 miles recorded on my NikePlus Running app, i should be hitting that in the next few weeks. Love this app, it's been a great tool for me to really see how my times have gone from barely being able to walk a 22 minute mile to hitting close to a 10 minute mile.
/motivated

People should be walking 2 miles per day.

Congrats on your total, but I am arguing it should be much higher.

running 200 miles, asusming 400 lbs, and 10 mph is 1200 hours so ~65,280 calories.

I suppose that would amount to -627 calories per week which is pretty good. It also amounts to less than two miles run per week, which seems bad.

There is probably plenty of other activity not accounted for.


Oh tons of it man, you are not wrong in assuming it's a bigger number.

This is just what i've got recorded on my app, i try to remember to record my run with the app 3 days a week, and run on the treadmill at the gym for 30 minutes, and then lift weights other 3 days a week with Sundays off. I'm sure the grand total is WAY higher than 185, but for just the ones i remembered to record i'm rather proud of that number.
 
2013-01-24 11:09:04 AM
Shaming doesn't work when they outnumber you. I live in the Central Valley in California and there is no shortage of fat and/or stupid people here.

People always tell me "Oh you're SO skinny" and I respond with "Not really, I am right in the middle for my BMI"

Consequently when someone tells me I'm smart I respond with "I'm not smart, I'm just not stupid....there's a difference"
 
2013-01-24 11:09:53 AM
Add truck scales to grocery checkout lines and tax purchases of unhealthy food by fat people. The more you weigh, the higher the tax.
 
2013-01-24 11:10:18 AM

cowsspinach: Why can't people be nice?


Something to do with the monkeysphere...
 
2013-01-24 11:10:21 AM

WhippingBoy: cowsspinach: Why can't people be nice?

Why can't people take responsibility for their own feelings?


You're right. 2+ for you.
 
2013-01-24 11:12:03 AM

nickerj1: I came to say this. I can't take you seriously when you cite an article that uses BMI.


We had a PC1 on my ship who weight 260 lbs and was 6'2". Obese, right? No...this guy was solid muscle.

I also take issue where "BMI" is the defining factor. It should be body fat percentage. But that requires, like, extra effort and math and shiat.
 
2013-01-24 11:13:00 AM

liam76: I think his point was, and I am not trying to be rude here, that 200 miles in 2 years isn't going to do that much for weight loss.

If you have never really exercised I can see it being a big thing, especially at that weight, and good on you for doing it.


All else held equal, it would have resulted in 0.5 lb of weight loss per week (or at least a caloric deficit leading to same)


Oh, and assuming 5mph running and 150 lbs it comes to 472 calories burned per week.

OTOH, walking 2 miles at 4mph and 150lbs weight is 175 calories burned per day, which is 1225 calories per week. That's only 30 minutes of walking, too.
 
2013-01-24 11:13:44 AM
Anything as long as it gets rid of fat chicks in ads

www.thedailypudding.com

Sorry porkers.
 
2013-01-24 11:14:17 AM
Fat people already hate themselves.  Mocking them is just going to make them eat more.  What fat people really need is education about nutrition and exercise and the support to make healthy lifestyle changes.  Quite a few would probably also benefit from some therapy.

Here's what I've been doing to start losing weight:
Step 1: Get my soda addiction/consumption down to reasonable levels. I went from multiple energy drinks a day to 1 regular can a day.  The rolling headaches were tough, but they passed.
Step 2: Don't buy fast food crap for breakfast.  Now I pack a healthy breakfast every morning. It takes all of 15 minutes.
Step 3: Start exercising every day. Even if it's just a little.  I like to go on walks through the neighborhood.  I can get in a good 2ish mile walk in about 45 minutes.  It's not hard and it's getting me in the habit of doing <i>some</i> exercise every day.
Step 4: No more daily soda.  I wont stop myself from having one if I'm out eating or something, but soda is no longer a part of my daily diet.
Step 5: Plan, prepare, and eat better meals at home.  This one was a bit tough, but I discovered a bonus benefit:  I can scale back my food portions.  And cooking isn't really that hard...

Step 1 and 2 took me 2 weeks for it to start feeling "normal."  Then I started on step 3 and 4.  This week, I've started on step 5.  So far so good.  Next up on my goals list is to find more strenuous exercise.  I'm trying to find local hiking trials.

Don't shame fat people in an attempt to motivate them.  Support them.  It takes more than diet and exercise to lose weight. It takes serious life style changes.  Those are HARD!  They take time.  If I had one piece of advice to give, it's don't try and do it all at once.  I've been spacing my progress out over the last 4 weeks.  Make a small change, stick with it, and use the positive feelings as motivation to introduce the next small change.  They add up.

/End rant.
 
2013-01-24 11:14:19 AM

cowsspinach: WhippingBoy: cowsspinach: Why can't people be nice?

Why can't people take responsibility for their own feelings?

You're right. 2+ for you.


You're both right. Pluses for everyone!
 
2013-01-24 11:15:31 AM

nickerj1: Anyone who works out a lot, is military/police, or an athlete


Because most of the overweight and obese americans fall into those categories, right?

BMI is a simple metric. Go get a body fat measurement, BP measurement, blood cholesterol measurement to be sure. All BMI is for is to tell you "holy shiat, go see a doctor".

Unless, of course, we are talking about the aggregate, in which case BMI works reasonably well. As I said above, waist circumference / height works better, but BMI correlates with that figure (in a representative sample) remarkably well.
 
2013-01-24 11:16:37 AM

WhippingBoy: If that were true, then everyone would be fat. How is it that some people aren't? Magic beans?


Just like how not all skinny people have good cholesterol or are in physically good shape. There are exceptions to every rule and lots of people out there are more informed than others. But not everyone. Look at the ingredients for your typical loaf of bread that's affordable for someone making the average income for the US. Or look at the shiat that sells for cheap on the sales ads. Macaroni and cheese in a box? Hamburger Helper? Hell not even most yogurt is healthy these days because of the insane amounts of sugar.
 
2013-01-24 11:17:22 AM

OscarTamerz: Anything as long as it gets rid of fat chicks in ads

[www.thedailypudding.com image 275x291]

Sorry porkers.


I hope your trolling. I would pursue 2 of those girls without shame and 3 of them are completely normal looking.

/young and fit
//third one of the normals I wouldn't hit on is because fros are annoying.
///speaking from experience
 
2013-01-24 11:19:31 AM
 
2013-01-24 11:21:35 AM
Yes because obese people have such high self-esteem.

Perhaps we should try this pressure on bioethicists in the hopes that they will find a more useful career path?
 
2013-01-24 11:21:44 AM

xanadian: nickerj1: I came to say this. I can't take you seriously when you cite an article that uses BMI.

We had a PC1 on my ship who weight 260 lbs and was 6'2". Obese, right? No...this guy was solid muscle.

I also take issue where "BMI" is the defining factor. It should be body fat percentage. But that requires, like, extra effort and math and shiat.


There are certainly exceptions where BMI is a poor indicator, but on average, having a BMI over 30 is not healthy. Most (most being the operative word) people who do are not athletes.
 
2013-01-24 11:22:03 AM

ph0rk: nickerj1: Anyone who works out a lot, is military/police, or an athlete

Because most of the overweight and obese americans fall into those categories, right?

BMI is a simple metric. Go get a body fat measurement, BP measurement, blood cholesterol measurement to be sure. All BMI is for is to tell you "holy shiat, go see a doctor".

Unless, of course, we are talking about the aggregate, in which case BMI works reasonably well. As I said above, waist circumference / height works better, but BMI correlates with that figure (in a representative sample) remarkably well.


Yeah that argument is stupid, anyone who has a high BMI that looks like that knows they aren't at risk as do their doctors. I'm at 215-220, according to most of those charts I'm obese except its not flab, some is and I could quit eating my 2 times a week snack cakes but the fact I am benching more than my step nephew when he's thinner and 15 years younger makes me think I'm doing OK.
 
2013-01-24 11:22:10 AM
It seems mean,
but avoiding a truth
(yer disgustingly obese)
sems more like huggy-nannystate shiat.

Don't like it
lose weight
you'll be happier.
pinkie promise
 
2013-01-24 11:22:20 AM

Trillian Astra: WhippingBoy: If that were true, then everyone would be fat. How is it that some people aren't? Magic beans?

Just like how not all skinny people have good cholesterol or are in physically good shape. There are exceptions to every rule and lots of people out there are more informed than others. But not everyone. Look at the ingredients for your typical loaf of bread that's affordable for someone making the average income for the US. Or look at the shiat that sells for cheap on the sales ads. Macaroni and cheese in a box? Hamburger Helper? Hell not even most yogurt is healthy these days because of the insane amounts of sugar.


while i agree that there is a severe problem in american food culture (also probably a massive conspiracy pushed by the FDA and big pharma to keep our society sick... *adjusts tin foil hat*), there is also a problem with the general populace refusing to take personal responsibility for eating healthy. you can. it's not that difficult. it's called educating yourself, then looking at labels and buying fresh vegetables at the grocery store.
 
2013-01-24 11:22:57 AM

xanadian: WTF Indeed: Make being fat cost prohibitive. If the fatty wants healthcare he'll need to spend three times as much. If the fatty wants that extra large bucket of fried chicken it'll be $40. Simple economics. No shaming required.

It works for cigarette smoking...


Well, when applied to health care I agree. Your driving record influences your car insurance, and physical issues you can control (like smoking & eating too much/poorly) should influence your health insurance.
 
2013-01-24 11:25:33 AM
If it didn't work with queers, why would work with fatties?
 
2013-01-24 11:26:12 AM
and EEEEEVRYONE makes fun of the little guy in New York . . . NO you can't drink a hogs head of crappy corn syrup water NO.

We could just tell the factory to stop putting CRAP into our food but that would interfere with stock prices and dividends.
If it's good food then it's expensive.
If it's good food then you don't need or WANT to eat a metric ass load of it every time you sit down.

Hey! Look! DIABETUS- is on the decline!
Heart Surgeons can't make payments on the house in TAOS
Hey Look! You actually out lived your parents!

If you really want a wake up, look at a documentary from the 1970's that has crowd shots
Not a fat person in them nevermind an obese person.
Here, it takes a minute or so but towards the end there's a lot of crowd shots-

Link

aint no fatty's there -
Watch it - no really - WATCH IT! WATCH IT NOW!!
It's the food fool, it's the food.
 
2013-01-24 11:27:37 AM
No one's better than everyone else, and everyone's the best at everything!

/amidoingitrite?
 
2013-01-24 11:28:10 AM

Zelron: WhippingBoy: Zelron: Thunderpipes: Imagine how many problems could be solved if people stopped making excuses?

Getting back to the main point, the shaming isn't going to help. We're already shamed up the wazoo.

That's not true. In some cases shaming does help. Shame can be a very powerful motivator.
If you've cast yourself in the role of the "victim", then yeah, shaming (or anything) probably won't help.

You're right. I'm a victim. I suck. I'm a bad person. I hate myself. If it wasn't for my kids I'd blow my farking head off. You know better. You're awesome. You have all the answers. You're great. Want my kids? Maybe they'll be better off with you. I could see if you could replace me at work, too. Maybe my wife would love you more. My family too---my brothers and sisters, my parents, cousins. You would be so much better than me. Oh I wish I were you.


Well, what's it gonna take? You can't play with your kids without getting winded? play a little longer each time. make an effort. take them on a walk. a little kid can do a mile; so can you, and you'll feel better for it. I lost 15 lbs when my first brat started walking just by going to the park every day and walking with him. stay positive m8
 
2013-01-24 11:28:48 AM
Shame has its place: it can be remarkably effective in preventing people from going down destructive paths. In doing so, it could very well help reduce the growth of obesity as a long-term problem. But it's not so effective against people who are already well down those paths, and so it doesn't do well in the short term or even the medium term. Other measures will be needed to deal with them.
 
2013-01-24 11:29:29 AM

santadog: There are NO lazy skinny people.


There are but bigots are pretty stupid and need clear, visual targets in order to discriminate properly (skin color, gender, big yellow star on your chest).
 
2013-01-24 11:32:01 AM

WhippingBoy: No one's better than everyone else, and everyone's the best at everything!

/amidoingitrite?


If you are doing an impression of an overly smug loser trying to be snarky then you nailed it.
 
2013-01-24 11:32:52 AM

jaybeezey: If it didn't work with queers, why would work with fatties?


9/10 should get a dozen or more bites
 
2013-01-24 11:32:56 AM

my alt's alt's alt: while i agree that there is a severe problem in american food culture (also probably a massive conspiracy pushed by the FDA and big pharma to keep our society sick... *adjusts tin foil hat*), there is also a problem with the general populace refusing to take personal responsibility for eating healthy. you can. it's not that difficult. it's called educating yourself, then looking at labels and buying fresh vegetables at the grocery store.


I agree. People definitely need to know what goes into their food and they need to understand how that effects their body. Like I said in my first (ahem) post, it's a food culture thing as a whole. How we see food (a tasty and healthy meal vs filling and easy*) plays a part. Gone are the days when people knew what went into their food and how to prepare satisfying meals that were also healthy. It's sad.

*yes, I know these things aren't necessarily mutually exclusive.
 
2013-01-24 11:33:32 AM

Shadow Blasko: So, suicide is your solution... or maybe just some more mindless violence when someone snaps from being picked on... because that never happens..


I mean, picking on a person for being fat is mean.... obviously. And unethical for a variety of reason.

Picking on "fat people" however, isn't so clear cut. I mean, with smoking, we just said over and over, 6 - 12 times a day, "smoking is bad for you", "smoking kills", "Smoking causes lung cancer", "Here's a picture of a diseased lung"

And smoking levels have dropped. This isn't so much about making currently fat people feel uncomfortable in society, it's about making the process of becoming fat less appealing. Nobody tries to get fat. Nobody tries to get addicted to nicotine. We're all just apes with 10 thousand year old brains trying to operate in a world we made far too complicated with our desire to grow and prosper. It's not about shaming people, it's about creating a culture of 'shame' around activities that are, frankly, shameful. Eating 5000 calories a day and living a completely sedentary lifestyle is, I'm sorry, disgusting, and obscene. I'm not going to tell someone who is obese that they should feel bad about themselves, they probably already do. But maybe a campaign in which we show disgusting piles of extracted fat from a liposuction, or what a kidney that has been swimming in 60% body fat looks like after a few decades? Something to say, being fat isn't just shiatty, it's REALLY unhealthy, and when you think about it, gross.

Don't stigmatize fat people, but do stigmatize behavior that leads to fat people.

/drtfa, so he might be trying to justify harassing fat strangers in NYC or something...
//But the idea that we as a society are responsible for our cultural attitudes towards destructive behavior is nothing new.
///Bulemia comes to mind. Romans had their vomitoriums. Now we think that is gross and we don't condone that behavior.
 
2013-01-24 11:35:18 AM

Diogenes: bighairyguy: He sounds like he wants to justify his need to be a bully.

I feel I need to redeem myself from my earlier snark to say "THIS."


So I can't rag on smokers now?
 
2013-01-24 11:35:47 AM

trappedspirit: Raise the cost of ammunition junk food to make it cost prohibitive.


You could also try lowering the cost of healthy food. But then again, yanno, soshulizzm.
 
2013-01-24 11:36:05 AM

Thunderpipes: WTF Indeed: Make being fat cost prohibitive. If the fatty wants healthcare he'll need to spend three times as much. If the fatty wants that extra large bucket of fried chicken it'll be $40. Simple economics. No shaming required.

We should.

We make being successful cost prohibitive, being male, being white, why not fat? They pay more for life insurance, why not health insurance?

Maybe you dems can make universal life insurance the next big thing? That would be a hoot.


Holy shiat. Is there ANYTHING you don't have completely ass backwards? This is a parody, right? Am I on TV?
 
2013-01-24 11:36:29 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Oh look, the same strategy gun control advocates are trying to use on gun owners.


Are gun owners satisfied with how they look?
 
2013-01-24 11:38:01 AM

hitlersbrain: WhippingBoy: No one's better than everyone else, and everyone's the best at everything!

/amidoingitrite?

If you are doing an impression of an overly smug loser trying to be snarky then you nailed it.


Then my work here is done.
 
2013-01-24 11:38:22 AM

Queensowntalia: If weight issues are linked with mental issues, adding psychological attacks is only going to make the problem worse. I have struggled with both depression and my weight for years, and articles like these, and the resulting Fark "all fat people should go kill themselves" threads haven't motivated me to exercise, they've made me want to hurt myself and/or drink myself into a stupor. It's hard enough for me to leave the house to begin with. Please don't make it even harder.


Now I'm depressed and want cheesecake.

Well said.
 
2013-01-24 11:39:39 AM

Father_Jack: Zelron: radiumsoup: assuming you're telling the truth, then if you had been a smoker as a kid, you'd probably still be smoking now. Social stigmas obviously don't work for everyone (including you), or there'd be no smoking at all right now. But in the aggregate, it has a very marked effect. There are virtually no quarters given to smokers, they're treated as vile and disgusting and literally prohibited from publicly participating in the activities which society hates. Fat folks, on the other hand, are coddled and told that it's probably just genetic, encouraged to eat healthy by their doctors and peers, and giggled at by kids in the supermarket, if at all. Anti-smokers have gone to the extreme in shaping society's expectations of smokers. Anti-fatties just point and laugh, with no real teeth... yet (although the recent NYC ordinances are a first step in what I see as a rolling snowball which will set off the avalanche of formally stigmatizing weight through legislation.)

There's not only second hand smoke, but there's third hand smoke (the tar and crap that sticks to everything). Smokers throw their cigarette butts all over the place. Smoking has NO health benefits at all. You have to eat. You can go cold turkey and quit smoking. You can go cold turkey and quit eating and die. Alcoholics can't have just a small drink because it sets them off. Fatties like me, well, there's food everywhere and you have to eat. Yah, we have control problems. Yah, most of us don't exercise (but many do). My wife would go to the gym and spend 30 minutes on a stair master every day and was still pretty heavy. Exercise doesn't work for everyone.

I don't know why most people quit smoking. Frankly, I wouldn't give a shiat if people smoked as long as I didn't have to smell it or as long as they didn't poison their kids by smoking around them.

So stop equating being a smoker with being fat.

30mins on the treadmill will burn you about 2 beers worth of calories. exercise is NOTHING compared ...


HIIT will alter your metabolism to burn more calories even when you aren't exercising.
 
2013-01-24 11:39:58 AM
Inexpensive, healthy, TASTY, snack foods that have a decent shelf life.

Let's hope someone invents them soon.

Eating is the only pleasure many Americans have the time and money to enjoy today.
 
2013-01-24 11:41:45 AM

Carth: The Angry Hand of God: I assume it is also OK to punch an asshole in the face for not minding their own damn business, correct?

Sure, but since obesity adds around 190 billion a year to health care costs making sure fat people lose weight is everyone's business.


Do we really want to continue down that road? Once we cure the fat epidemic will that fix all our monetary probs... or will there be another boogey man after that?

Seems like this could be a way for Americans to seriously box themselves in and limit freedoms which we otherwise would want to be perceived as cherishing. Hey, it might be that freedom is just too expensive for the 21st cent
 
2013-01-24 11:42:26 AM

Point02GPA: Shaming works well. That's why you don't see any retards anymore.


ABLEIST!

/some communities I'm on actually do get upset over the r-word
//I always say it's an insult to the mentally disabled to compare them with normal brained people who just don't try
 
2013-01-24 11:44:06 AM
Shaming doesn't work on truly fat people. That said, I'm just kinda fat and I'm pretty ashamed about it. My blubber isn't about some kind of medical BS, it's just me being lazy and sloppy. I should be shamed. No, truly fat people are that way because of something medical or mental that causes them to be that way. They need help simple social shaming can't provide.
 
2013-01-24 11:45:30 AM
If I have to choose between a society of fat people and a society of bullying, I think I'm more okay with fat people.
 
2013-01-24 11:45:49 AM

hitlersbrain: Inexpensive, healthy, TASTY, snack foods that have a decent shelf life.


Apples and oranges. They last well over 2 weeks with or without a fridge. Also, I'm a fan of pb and toast.
 
2013-01-24 11:46:35 AM
Vodka Zombie: "Haven't we been shaming fat people for decades already?"

I think this guy is talking about something other than yelling "look at the fattie!"

I believe he's talking more about the "charging them for two seats" sort of thing.

Ya know: not just expanding the size of everything to fit them and adjusting our sense of 'normal' to accommodate their habit.
But considering amenities that *do* fit them as exceptional and charge accordingly. etc.

e.g. Changing all sizes back to what they should be. Forcing the fatties to confront their outsized portions and repercussions by name: "I'd like the XXXL soda" and "I need the 54-inch pants". Rather than just moving the "large" soda serving from 8 to 32 ounces and changing "size 40" from a 40-inch waist to a 52-inch waist (with an elastic extension to enable another 4-6 inches).
 
2013-01-24 11:46:55 AM

plewis: Shaming doesn't work on truly fat people. That said, I'm just kinda fat and I'm pretty ashamed about it. My blubber isn't about some kind of medical BS, it's just me being lazy and sloppy. I should be shamed. No, truly fat people are that way because of something medical or mental that causes them to be that way. They need help simple social shaming can't provide.


But there are other factors too, because though you admit you're ashamed, have you done anything about it? I know I haven't. That means shaming itself, even on only overweight, not obese, people, doesn't work that well either. If shaming is supposed to inspire activity, I can't speak for anyone else, but it ain't working.
 
2013-01-24 11:47:29 AM
I consider myself fortunate that my many vices cannot be perceived by others at a glance. If I gained weight for every beer I drank or hour I spent on the internet or cigarette I smoked, I'd be as large as they come. As it happens, I am not. I am fortunate enough that my vices have not manifested themselves in form of obesity. If all vices resulted in obesity you would not encounter skinny people.
 
2013-01-24 11:47:37 AM

The Angry Hand of God: I assume it is also OK to punch an asshole in the face for not minding their own damn business, correct?


If you can raise your flabby arm and swing it without having a heart attack I'm sure you're welcome to make the attempt.
 
2013-01-24 11:50:28 AM
CSB: I knew Dan Callahan. He was my neighbor for 10 years.

If he were to shame you, he'd do it warmly. With a genuine Irish twinkle. He is really a kind soul, but harbors no bullshiat.
 
2013-01-24 11:51:03 AM
You know how to get a fat chick out of her pants?

A good start is to buy her dinner and a few drinks!

/Thanks, I'll be here all week.
 
2013-01-24 11:51:16 AM

hitlersbrain: Eating is the only pleasure many Americans have the time and money to enjoy today.


The US has a habit of glorifying the concept of being constantly busy. Busy people don't have time for making their own bread or healthy snacks. People buy pre-sliced baggies of chopped apples and carrots with a sugary caramel or fatty ranch flavored dipping sauce instead of, say, learning how to use their oven to properly make fruit leather or roast a bunch of carrots with a bit of olive oil and rosemary that are tasty enough to not need additional dressing.
 
2013-01-24 11:52:26 AM

Marcintosh: and EEEEEVRYONE makes fun of the little guy in New York . . . NO you can't drink a hogs head of crappy corn syrup water NO.

We could just tell the factory to stop putting CRAP into our food but that would interfere with stock prices and dividends.
If it's good food then it's expensive.
If it's good food then you don't need or WANT to eat a metric ass load of it every time you sit down.

Hey! Look! DIABETUS- is on the decline!
Heart Surgeons can't make payments on the house in TAOS
Hey Look! You actually out lived your parents!

If you really want a wake up, look at a documentary from the 1970's that has crowd shots
Not a fat person in them nevermind an obese person.
Here, it takes a minute or so but towards the end there's a lot of crowd shots-

Link

aint no fatty's there -
Watch it - no really - WATCH IT! WATCH IT NOW!!
It's the food fool, it's the food.


Its the food in combination with us leading a more sedentary lifestyle, the USA sits at home more than any other nation. There are reasons why major cities have thinner people for the most part, they walk everywhere. When we took our vacations to Paris a couple years ago then NY last year we both lost weight because of all the walking we did, I know think I need to move into a major city. I'm tired of having to drive everywhere, I would rather just walk.
 
2013-01-24 11:52:41 AM

Thunderpipes: We should step up the shame if anything.

Have a nationwide campaign of shame. We should. Obesity is killing us, and killing our kids. In one generation (maybe two) kids have tripled in obesity rates. The reasons are very simple. Kids don't play enough. They turn into adults who don't play enough. It is not soda, or McDonalds, or anything else. We had worse food when I was a kid. But you could eat 4 hamburgers, then play for 8 hours and still be skinny.

Being fat is not a disease, not a mental condition. It is just being lazy and unmotivated. So shame the crap out of kids from a young age. Sure, you might lose a couple in the process, but you would lose them anyway to fat health problems.


WHAT!? You seriously can't expect children to, to, ... play out side? That is where all those nasty pedophiles, no better that they stay inside and play with the X-Box.

Also they can't play sports they might get hurt.
 
2013-01-24 11:52:57 AM

thecpt: hitlersbrain: Inexpensive, healthy, TASTY, snack foods that have a decent shelf life.

Apples and oranges. They last well over 2 weeks with or without a fridge. Also, I'm a fan of pb and toast.


They are not very tasty and I highly doubt they last that long. PB is not very healthy (neither is toast). No we need something people really want to eat not something they eat because it's good for them. Not all people are driven to be miserable so douche bags will like them.
 
2013-01-24 11:55:10 AM

i upped my meds-up yours: CSB: I knew Dan Callahan. He was my neighbor for 10 years.

If he were to shame you, he'd do it warmly. With a genuine Irish twinkle. He is really a kind soul, but harbors no bullshiat.


I wish I could be that way, I always come off blunt and hateful when I don't mean to sound that way. The people who can basically insult you yet sound sincere and helpful have a gift.
 
2013-01-24 11:55:54 AM

xanadian: And there are genetic conditions that either make people more prone to being fat, or outright can't help it. A lot of those chromosomal abnormalities can cause it (i.e. Angelman syndrome).


A lot of people who have, "genetic conditions" are just fat. You are not special, there is nothing different or exceptional about you. If you control your calorie intake and increase your activity level eventually you will not be fat-as-fatass. SOME people certainly do have genetic defects that result in weight gain. No human I have ever seen who claimed they were naturally or genetically fat could point to any kind of study or a diagnosis and say, "These are the facts that indicate why I am overweight."

Mostly its just unsupported ideas about why they try "so hard" (I've seen the women in my family make attempts to lose weight through exercise and they're pathetic, you spent an hour at the gym and didn't start to sweat) and can't fix the situation that makes them unhappy. "I can't link it back to anything concrete, rather than digging deep and learning something about effort, I will blame something unverifiable and sop my hurt feelings with ice cream."
 
2013-01-24 11:57:47 AM
Well the "fat acceptance" movements certainly aren't going to reduce obesity...
 
2013-01-24 11:58:12 AM
Just two things:

- I love the concept of the "free range fat person".
- Bioethicist is 82 years old. My guess is he's getting in a few last good trolls before dying.

/Portion control is really the only thing that ever worked for me.
//And getting off my carcass and moving it around
 
2013-01-24 11:58:34 AM

kroonermanblack: Thunderpipes: WTF Indeed: Make being fat cost prohibitive. If the fatty wants healthcare he'll need to spend three times as much. If the fatty wants that extra large bucket of fried chicken it'll be $40. Simple economics. No shaming required.

We should.

We make being successful cost prohibitive, being male, being white, why not fat? They pay more for life insurance, why not health insurance?

Maybe you dems can make universal life insurance the next big thing? That would be a hoot.

Can we get a derp crew in here from the Politics tab? A farktard has esecaped again and is derping all over other tabs.


Damn it, again? I knew I should've gotten the cattle prod this morning.
 
2013-01-24 11:58:59 AM

hitlersbrain: thecpt: hitlersbrain: Inexpensive, healthy, TASTY, snack foods that have a decent shelf life.

Apples and oranges. They last well over 2 weeks with or without a fridge. Also, I'm a fan of pb and toast.

They are not very tasty and I highly doubt they last that long. PB is not very healthy (neither is toast). No we need something people really want to eat not something they eat because it's good for them. Not all people are driven to be miserable so douche bags will like them.


Peanut butter is actually rather healthy, depending on the sort of lifestyle you're leading. Especially the sugar-free sort you can grind yourself at some supermarkets. Apples, on the other hand, have roughly the same amount of carbs as a potato. And oranges, while tasty and full of vitamin-C are also full of natural sugars that can spike blood sugar levels pretty damn quick, something that isn't good for people who are pre-diabetic.
 
2013-01-24 11:59:09 AM

willfullyobscure: Well, what's it gonna take? You can't play with your kids without getting winded? play a little longer each time. make an effort. take them on a walk. a little kid can do a mile; so can you, and you'll feel better for it. I lost 15 lbs when my first brat started walking just by going to the park every day and walking with him. stay positive m8


I know what it takes. I lost 80 pounds about 10 years ago watching what I eat and exercising. 5 years before that I lost 50 pounds by watching what I was eating and swimming a mile/day AFTER being treated for sleep apnea and waking up with energy (there's a physiological problem that hasn't been mentioned--sleep problems affecting motivation and energy levels). 15 years before that I lost 35 pounds between high school graduation and starting college in the fall by watching what I eat and doing yardwork for the summer. I went into college weighing less than I did when I entered 10th grade.

Every fat person knows that the only real way to lose weight is to eat better and exercise. It comes down to either they don't want to or they can't (although many are arguing that they just don't want to).

Shame won't fix not being able to and shame won't fix not wanting to. When the habit is ingrained since being a child, it's hard to break and easy to slip back into. People farked with my food when I was a kid so I learned to eat it as fast as I could and learned that I couldn't save it for later because someone else would eat it. I learned to hide it and eat it in private. So, like an alcoholic I can be in recovery but if something happens and I slip, I'm farked for a while until I can pull myself back together again. But it isn't shame that gets me to pull myself back up. It's being sick of how I feel.
 
2013-01-24 12:00:08 PM
"He must not have any contact with actual free-range fat people," she added.

Are they like free ranged chickens?

img.hsmagazine.net
 
2013-01-24 12:01:04 PM
Telling a fat person that they are disgusting and fat will accomplish nothing, save depressing the ones who already suffer from depression, sending them into a self-medicating binge. A lot of these people need mental health care, considering that several studies have indicated that the brain responds to fat and sugar much the way it responds to heroine.

Also, the fat itself isn't the problem; it's the lifestyle that generates fat people. There are some plump folks who are still pretty healthy, and likewise some skinny people who are in terrible shape. Society needs to focus on encouraging and rewarding good behavior rather than shaming people who already feel pretty shiatty about themselves.
 
2013-01-24 12:01:45 PM

nickerj1: Halophilic: maggoo: I find it hard to believe that 64% of the US adult population has chromosomal abnormalities.

You need to find another scapegoat.

Maybe it's time we stop using a metric created by a 19th century Beligan not-doctor and gauge I don't know, actual health? "Overweight" on BMI is a joke.

I came to say this. I can't take you seriously when you cite an article that uses BMI.

I agree for more health care costs for unhealthy fat people, as someone else suggested. They do add a lot of costs to the health care industry. However, current mainstream methods for determining whether someone is healthy (ie, giving them a label of "overweight", "obese", "uber obese") based solely on number values of their height and weight is absolutely ludicrous.

Anyone who works out a lot, is military/police, or an athlete will tell you how absurd BMI is. It's completely inaccurate for people of muscular builds.

For instance, this man: Link
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Is on the edge of the "obese" rating for BMI. Is that man obese? No. Is he healthy? Yes.

If you do anything related to increasing costs, etc, for the fat people, you had better do it based on a doctor's assessment, a physical test, or something other than BMI, like body fat percentage.

It's the same as BAC, really, which also doesn't account for some types of people to accurately represent whether they're impaired, but that's a story for another day.


Your claim that just because BMI doesn't work for a pro athelete means it should never be used is pretty good grounds for no one taking you seriously. For 99% of the population it works just fine. The people who need to hear about their BMI are not pro atheletes.
 
2013-01-24 12:02:08 PM

popesballs: Carth: The Angry Hand of God: I assume it is also OK to punch an asshole in the face for not minding their own damn business, correct?

Sure, but since obesity adds around 190 billion a year to health care costs making sure fat people lose weight is everyone's business.

Do we really want to continue down that road? Once we cure the fat epidemic will that fix all our monetary probs... or will there be another boogey man after that?

Seems like this could be a way for Americans to seriously box themselves in and limit freedoms which we otherwise would want to be perceived as cherishing. Hey, it might be that freedom is just too expensive for the 21st cent


Either way you lose some freedom. Either we do something to address obesity and you lose the right to stuff your face or we do nothing and you have to work more to pay for health care for people who want to stuff their face.
 
2013-01-24 12:02:35 PM

xanadian: Diogenes: WhiskeyBoy: IlGreven: Funny, the same people who laugh at the fatties also laugh at New York for banning extra large Cokes. Which is it?

Both. If you're fat because you can't stop yourself from gulping down 64 fluid ounces of soda every time you stop at a gas station or fast food joint it means you lack self-control. The government protecting you from yourself has also had the negative impact of preventing me (someone WITH self-control) from enjoying a large beverage purchased at a gas station for the duration of a road trip.

Excellent point.  And to bring it back to obesity, it's a complex disorder that can't be solved with something as blunt and general as shaming.

And there are genetic conditions that either make people more prone to being fat, or outright can't help it. A lot of those chromosomal abnormalities can cause it (i.e. Angelman syndrome).


Anyone I've ever seen claiming a "genetic condition" has done so with a bucket of KFC in front of them, or else some other absurdly large portions of food. Your genetics may make you store fat more easily than others, fine whatever, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't matter if you stuff yourself like a Thanksgiving turduckin.
 
2013-01-24 12:04:17 PM

Torchsong: Just two things:

- I love the concept of the "free range fat person".
- Bioethicist is 82 years old. My guess is he's getting in a few last good trolls before dying.


And he doesn't even mention how unhealthy it is to be old. There isn't a day that goes by that I don't read about some old geezer dying just because he wasn't young.
 
2013-01-24 12:08:03 PM

SN1987a goes boom: Anyone I've ever seen claiming a "genetic condition" has done so with a bucket of KFC in front of them, or else some other absurdly large portions of food. Your genetics may make you store fat more easily than others, fine whatever, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't matter if you stuff yourself like a Thanksgiving turduckin.


Most of the people I know who have actual, real genetic reasons for obesity (thyroid issues, bad PCOS, etc) tend to be the ones who eat healthy, exercise probably not quite as much as they should, and would like to slap the "I've got a genetic condition that keeps me from losing weight so I'm going to eat half a pie and not bother trying" people in the face. They also don't talk about it much.
 
2013-01-24 12:09:22 PM

Trillian Astra: hitlersbrain: thecpt: hitlersbrain: Inexpensive, healthy, TASTY, snack foods that have a decent shelf life.

Apples and oranges. They last well over 2 weeks with or without a fridge. Also, I'm a fan of pb and toast.

They are not very tasty and I highly doubt they last that long. PB is not very healthy (neither is toast). No we need something people really want to eat not something they eat because it's good for them. Not all people are driven to be miserable so douche bags will like them.

Peanut butter is actually rather healthy, depending on the sort of lifestyle you're leading. Especially the sugar-free sort you can grind yourself at some supermarkets. Apples, on the other hand, have roughly the same amount of carbs as a potato. And oranges, while tasty and full of vitamin-C are also full of natural sugars that can spike blood sugar levels pretty damn quick, something that isn't good for people who are pre-diabetic.


To be precise, peanut butter is a healthy form of fat, and for people without really weird metabolisms, a moderate amount of fat is necessary for health. The key is to see PB as a replacement for some other fat you might be eating - use PB instead of butter or margarine on a sandwich, for instance.

Also, apples and oranges are high in sugar, but the whole fruit also has fiber. Once again, you need a moderate amount of carbs to be healthy - treat fresh fruit as a replacement for, say, candy. (The bulk of the fiber means you'll be full of apples on fewer calories than you would scarfing candy.) Also, don't eat just carbs as a snack - have something with them. To tie it seamlessly together, apple slices and peanut butter make a great snack.

Protein? Eat all you want if it's low fat or very low fat, like chicken or fish, but take it easy on the beef and avoid fried food.
 
2013-01-24 12:09:26 PM

hitlersbrain: They are not very tasty


bs. they are delicious. I truly eat an apple a day because its the tastiest thing to me, aside from starfruit.

hitlersbrain: I highly doubt they last that long


How are you an adult and not know how long these last? and yes they do.

hitlersbrain: PB is not very healthy (neither is toast).


I'm not talking wunderbread. I'm talking about some healthy 12 or 9 grain which easily lasts 3 weeks in a fridge. And peanut butter is rather healthy especially when its used in this manner as a meal substitute. I weigh 250 and a slice of toast with pb, an apple, and a carrot can fill in as my lunch. For people looking for healthier lunch alternatives that are quick, cheap, and easy I highly suggest doing things like this. The pb gives you the protein to have a "full" feeling that lasts.

Trying to give thoughtful substitutes that actually exist, rather make excuses for there not being healthy chili cheese fries.
 
2013-01-24 12:11:04 PM

Moonfisher: Telling a fat person that they are disgusting and fat will accomplish nothing, save depressing the ones who already suffer from depression, sending them into a self-medicating binge. A lot of these people need mental health care, considering that several studies have indicated that the brain responds to fat and sugar much the way it responds to heroine.

Also, the fat itself isn't the problem; it's the lifestyle that generates fat people. There are some plump folks who are still pretty healthy, and likewise some skinny people who are in terrible shape. Society needs to focus on encouraging and rewarding good behavior rather than shaming people who already feel pretty shiatty about themselves.


Zelron: I'm a big fat guy. Shame doesn't do it. I know.
I already feel ashamed that I have to ask for a seatbelt extender on a flight.
I already feel ashamed that I can't run around with my kids in the yard for more than 3 seconds without getting exhausted.
I already feel ashamed that I take up more than one seat on the subway.
I already feel ashamed that I can't walk more than a couple of blocks without my back screaming "What the fark are you doing to me?"
I already feel ashamed that I can't walk into any clothing store and expect that they'll have something that will fit.

Smoking vs. Obesity: You don't have to smoke, you do have to eat. Declining rates for smoking are primarily due to keeping them away from kids until they're old enough to know better. Just like with smoking though, someone has to want to quit. If they don't want to quit, no amount of shame will improve the situation...r.


Behold. Here is a man who's quality of life is embarassingly degraded by the problems he has created for himself. From a proud species of hunter-gatherer that could walk other animals to death as a hunting strategy he has graduated to, "Cannot walk 200 feet without pain, and cannot play with own children."

Treating the insanely fat like there's something wrong with them has nothing to do with them. There's nothing I can do for a guy who CAN'T WALK WITHOUT PAIN and hasn't gotten the idea that he needs to fix this or die trying. It has to do with making sure that future generations know that becoming... that is disgusting and not acceptable. You can't really teach them that if they eat that snack cake some day they might have joint pain. The negative feedback of everyone laughing at lil'chunk for having just one more cupcake every lunch will keep most of them in line.
 
2013-01-24 12:11:21 PM
So they want to take a group of people that deals with shame and emotional upset by eating... and shame them and cause them emotional upset? To get them to stop eating? This sounds like "fark nymphos until they stop being nymphos". Brilliant!
 
2013-01-24 12:14:00 PM

ph0rk: Expolaris: 2 years later, close to 200 miles of walking, then jogging, and now running and i'm down 130 lbs (and still going), have a happy and successful career, and have met a woman who has also lost over 100lbs. We are Team Healthy.

200 miles in 2 years? His math must be wrong or he has tapeworms.


i18.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-24 12:16:45 PM
As a super fatty I have mixed feelings on this. I think those of us that are already fat it won't help much, but might encourage younger people to not follow our path. That's what I think happened with smokers. Most people that have been smoking forever won't quit, but there aren't as many people joining the ranks. However if it goes to far you will get the opposite effect.

/boring personal story

I come from a very abusive family and we as kids were not allowed any cokes/candy/sugary items as they were deemed bad for us. They meant well, but by denying sweets it caused the cravings to be worse. As a teenager I bought some Oreos and didn't finish them while at work so I brought them home, and got a broken nose as punishment. Now I have the mentality of eating an entire bag of M&Ms so there are no leftovers, and my house always has junk food in it since it was denied as a kid.
 
2013-01-24 12:18:39 PM

Zazzy: nickerj1: Halophilic: maggoo: I find it hard to believe that 64% of the US adult population has chromosomal abnormalities.

You need to find another scapegoat.

Maybe it's time we stop using a metric created by a 19th century Beligan not-doctor and gauge I don't know, actual health? "Overweight" on BMI is a joke.

I came to say this. I can't take you seriously when you cite an article that uses BMI.

I agree for more health care costs for unhealthy fat people, as someone else suggested. They do add a lot of costs to the health care industry. However, current mainstream methods for determining whether someone is healthy (ie, giving them a label of "overweight", "obese", "uber obese") based solely on number values of their height and weight is absolutely ludicrous.

Anyone who works out a lot, is military/police, or an athlete will tell you how absurd BMI is. It's completely inaccurate for people of muscular builds.

For instance, this man: Link
[www1.cdn.sherdog.com image 200x300]

Is on the edge of the "obese" rating for BMI. Is that man obese? No. Is he healthy? Yes.

If you do anything related to increasing costs, etc, for the fat people, you had better do it based on a doctor's assessment, a physical test, or something other than BMI, like body fat percentage.

It's the same as BAC, really, which also doesn't account for some types of people to accurately represent whether they're impaired, but that's a story for another day.

Your claim that just because BMI doesn't work for a pro athelete means it should never be used is pretty good grounds for no one taking you seriously. For 99% of the population it works just fine. The people who need to hear about their BMI are not pro atheletes.


I love that one too. "Oh is Vince Wilfork obese? He's a pro football player!

Let me tell you something about those guys. They're incredibly fast and strong and yes heavy, and about ten to fifteen years after they retire if they're REALLY lucky walking just hurts sometimes. Was it unhealthy for the Fridge to be 400 pounds? YES! YES IT WAS!
 
2013-01-24 12:19:18 PM

Super_pope: Behold. Here is a man who's quality of life is embarassingly degraded by the problems he has created for himself. From a proud species of hunter-gatherer that could walk other animals to death as a hunting strategy he has graduated to, "Cannot walk 200 feet without pain, and cannot play with own children."

Treating the insanely fat like there's something wrong with them has nothing to do with them. There's nothing I can do for a guy who CAN'T WALK WITHOUT PAIN and hasn't gotten the idea that he needs to fix this or die trying. It has to do with making sure that future generations know that becoming... that is disgusting and not acceptable. You can't really teach them that if they eat that snack cake some day they might have joint pain. The negative feedback of everyone laughing at lil'chunk for having just one more cupcake every lunch will keep most of them in line.


Pretty much sums it up. The funny thing is that everyone dies. When I'm gone, what I was won't matter. When you're gone, neither will you. No matter how much fun you pack into your life, once it's over, that's it. You won't be able to look back at the good times, because you'll be gone. For a few years people will think about you, but then they'll die off. And pretty soon you're some obscure relative (if that) on some family tree.

The point is that more shame isn't the answer.
 
2013-01-24 12:19:55 PM

Super_pope: The negative feedback of everyone laughing at lil'chunk for having just one more cupcake every lunch will keep most of them in line.


Yeah, because no one's doing that to them now. Sure. See, in the past, that whole "or die trying" is an option when you add shame to it. Some actually kill themselves. But, of course, that's probably acceptable to you, as well.

What is wrong with you?

treesloth: So they want to take a group of people that deals with shame and emotional upset by eating... and shame them and cause them emotional upset? To get them to stop eating? This sounds like "fark nymphos until they stop being nymphos". Brilliant!


Because it's worked so well in the past. Tell me, what colored symbol will obese people be required to sew to their clothing to ensure that no one treats them as though they belong? I mean, hell, we've used everything from scarlet "A"s to gold six-pointed stars - I'm sure there's a brightly colored symbol that still remains which can be used to brand fat people as "not one of us".

It amazes me how many assholes there still are in the world happy to pick up the first rock.
 
2013-01-24 12:20:17 PM

stonicus: DuncanMhor: big pig peaches: I noticed many fatties are quick enough to mock those with healthy lifestyles. Turnabout is fair play.

Oh please. Give us an example

/turnabout is fair play if you are six

I do it... when I am dragging my ass out of bed, shuffling to the kitchen for a soda, lighting a cigarette, I'll see people running and jogging around the lake already. I talk shiat about them in my mind. It's the whole sour grapes thing, finding any justification for why I am right and they are wrong. "Well fark, if that's what it takes to be healthy, screw it. Why spend an accumulated 10 years of solid work and exercise to only live an extra 5 years? I have better self image and self esteem than they do because I don't feel the need to do that. I don't have to waste all this time and energy and effort in my life just so I look good in one outfit for a few hours at that party next month" Anything and everything to justify my own existence. And it's not like the person jogging around the lake is doing it for anyone other than themselves. I seriously doubt they're all smug and thinking "HA! I'm making everyone else feel bad about themselves because I am jogging so early in the morning! Look how much better I am than everyone else!" No, they're just doing their own thing and it has nothing to do with me.

The fact is, I like to eat and I farking hate to exercise. I hate feeling like I am not accomplishing anything. Exercise does not equal instant results, so it's VERY easy to get frustrated and think it is worthless. So, I've found a compromise. Other than grocery shopping, I am not allowed to drive after work. I make myself walk everywhere. Now, my walking comes with the immediate reward I am looking for. It may as simple as just reaching a destination (a bar, my friend's house, etc...) , but it feels infinitely more rewarding than a treadmill or walking aimlessly in a circle around the lake.

That being said, fark those early morning joggers still. =)


I don't tend to hate on the healthy, much. I do however do the walking everywhere that i possibly can thing. Not having a car at all helps.

/this frigid weather is NOT helping at all. I don't go out every day now. I wait til I have no choice.
//-36 celsius! Brrrrrr
 
2013-01-24 12:23:09 PM

hutchkc: and my house always has junk food in it since it was denied as a kid.


Wtf is your problem, honestly? How hard is it to not buy something? Just say, "You know what ,I won't buy those," and then don't buy them. I'm not even saying, "Don't eat that." Maybe that's too hard. Are you going to have some kind of problem if you just leave your money in your wallet and don't buy the thing at all? I just don't understand how literally just not going out of your way to purchase something you know is harming you can be a problem.

Christ.

On the first part, cool. Glad you can look at that part of the equation and understand it critically.
 
2013-01-24 12:24:10 PM

Mithiwithi: To be precise, peanut butter is a healthy form of fat, and for people without really weird metabolisms, a moderate amount of fat is necessary for health. The key is to see PB as a replacement for some other fat you might be eating - use PB instead of butter or margarine on a sandwich, for instance.
Also, apples and oranges are high in sugar, but the whole fruit also has fiber. Once again, you need a moderate amount of carbs to be healthy - treat fresh fruit as a replacement for, say, candy. (The bulk of the fiber means you'll be full of apples on fewer calories than you would scarfing candy.) Also, don't eat just carbs as a snack - have something with them. To tie it seamlessly together, apple slices and peanut butter make a great snack. Protein? Eat all you want if it's low fat or very low fat, like chicken or fish, but take it easy on the beef and avoid fried food.


You could also eat avocado or sunflower seeds for a fibre boost without the unnecessary carbs of an apple*, but that's just a personal preference from someone who leads a lifestyle that keeps her from developing the diabetes everyone else in her family seems to have. Peanut butter really is fantastic stuff, for me. A PB&Banana sandwich on good dark bread will keep me full for ages.

*roughly 25 carbs per medium apple; a cup of roasted sunflower seeds will give you the same amount of fibre without as much sugar, plus it's less messy (again, personal preference)
 
2013-01-24 12:24:14 PM

thecpt: hitlersbrain: They are not very tasty

bs. they are delicious. I truly eat an apple a day because its the tastiest thing to me, aside from starfruit.

hitlersbrain: I highly doubt they last that long

How are you an adult and not know how long these last? and yes they do.

hitlersbrain: PB is not very healthy (neither is toast).

I'm not talking wunderbread. I'm talking about some healthy 12 or 9 grain which easily lasts 3 weeks in a fridge. And peanut butter is rather healthy especially when its used in this manner as a meal substitute. I weigh 250 and a slice of toast with pb, an apple, and a carrot can fill in as my lunch. For people looking for healthier lunch alternatives that are quick, cheap, and easy I highly suggest doing things like this. The pb gives you the protein to have a "full" feeling that lasts.

Trying to give thoughtful substitutes that actually exist, rather make excuses for there not being healthy chili cheese fries.


Skip the fies but eat the chii.

I use equal parts:

Lowfat beef or pork
Chilis and green peppers
Beans
Tomato
Water

Fridge or freezer, it lasts for a while, and is easy to make portions.

Skip the rice and or crackers you fattie.
 
2013-01-24 12:24:38 PM

Super_pope: Wtf is your problem, honestly? How hard is it to not buy something? Just say, "You know what ,I won't buy those,"


Do you say the same thing to alcoholics? Do you say the same thing to other addicts? Don't kid yourself, it is an addiction.
 
2013-01-24 12:25:10 PM

Super_pope: Zazzy: nickerj1: Halophilic: maggoo: I find it hard to believe that 64% of the US adult population has chromosomal abnormalities.

You need to find another scapegoat.

Maybe it's time we stop using a metric created by a 19th century Beligan not-doctor and gauge I don't know, actual health? "Overweight" on BMI is a joke.

I came to say this. I can't take you seriously when you cite an article that uses BMI.

I agree for more health care costs for unhealthy fat people, as someone else suggested. They do add a lot of costs to the health care industry. However, current mainstream methods for determining whether someone is healthy (ie, giving them a label of "overweight", "obese", "uber obese") based solely on number values of their height and weight is absolutely ludicrous.

Anyone who works out a lot, is military/police, or an athlete will tell you how absurd BMI is. It's completely inaccurate for people of muscular builds.

For instance, this man: Link
[www1.cdn.sherdog.com image 200x300]

Is on the edge of the "obese" rating for BMI. Is that man obese? No. Is he healthy? Yes.

If you do anything related to increasing costs, etc, for the fat people, you had better do it based on a doctor's assessment, a physical test, or something other than BMI, like body fat percentage.

It's the same as BAC, really, which also doesn't account for some types of people to accurately represent whether they're impaired, but that's a story for another day.

Your claim that just because BMI doesn't work for a pro athelete means it should never be used is pretty good grounds for no one taking you seriously. For 99% of the population it works just fine. The people who need to hear about their BMI are not pro atheletes.

I love that one too. "Oh is Vince Wilfork obese? He's a pro football player!

Let me tell you something about those guys. They're incredibly fast and strong and yes heavy, and about ten to fifteen years after they retire if they're REALLY lucky walking just hurts ...


Mmmmmmm Swiss-cheese brains.

/fava beans
 
2013-01-24 12:25:46 PM

Zelron: Super_pope: Wtf is your problem, honestly? How hard is it to not buy something? Just say, "You know what ,I won't buy those,"

Do you say the same thing to alcoholics? Do you say the same thing to other addicts? Don't kid yourself, it is an addiction.


This.
 
2013-01-24 12:29:31 PM

FormlessOne:

Because it's worked so well in the past. Tell me, what colored symbol will obese people be required to sew to their clothing to ensure that no one treats them as though they belong? I mean, hell, we've used everything from scarlet "A"s to gold six-pointed stars - I'm sure there's a brightly colored symbol that still remains which can be used to brand fat people as "not one of us".

It amazes me how many assholes there still are in the world happy to pick up the first rock.


Don't be hyperbolic. You don't need to mark fat people you can tell just by looking at them.
 
2013-01-24 12:30:09 PM

StoPPeRmobile: Skip the fies but eat the chii.

I use equal parts:

Lowfat beef or pork
Chilis and green peppers
Beans
Tomato
Water

Fridge or freezer, it lasts for a while, and is easy to make portions.

Skip the rice and or crackers you fattie.


it was an example... but yes. We remove the solid tomato and put in potato slices sparingly
 
2013-01-24 12:31:58 PM

StoPPeRmobile: Beans


BZZZZZZZZT!!! Flag on the play! 10 yard penalty, loss of down!

It's chili, not chili con garbonzos!

/Apropos of nothing, of course
 
2013-01-24 12:32:12 PM

Super_pope: I just don't understand how literally just not going out of your way to purchase something you know is harming you can be a problem.


Sugar and carbs can be addictive, especially to someone who emotionally eats. It IS hard for people to stop. Just like it's hard for people to stop smoking or drinking. It takes more than just willpower to stop buying junk food, you have to be in the right frame of mind to make that change. Sort of a can't quit til you're ready approach.
 
2013-01-24 12:32:12 PM

FormlessOne: Super_pope: The negative feedback of everyone laughing at lil'chunk for having just one more cupcake every lunch will keep most of them in line.

Yeah, because no one's doing that to them now. Sure. See, in the past, that whole "or die trying" is an option when you add shame to it. Some actually kill themselves. But, of course, that's probably acceptable to you, as well.

What is wrong with you?

treesloth: So they want to take a group of people that deals with shame and emotional upset by eating... and shame them and cause them emotional upset? To get them to stop eating? This sounds like "fark nymphos until they stop being nymphos". Brilliant!

Because it's worked so well in the past. Tell me, what colored symbol will obese people be required to sew to their clothing to ensure that no one treats them as though they belong? I mean, hell, we've used everything from scarlet "A"s to gold six-pointed stars - I'm sure there's a brightly colored symbol that still remains which can be used to brand fat people as "not one of us".

It amazes me how many assholes there still are in the world happy to pick up the first rock.


All that shiat you say doesn't work worked REAL well for a long time. Go watch Heathers sometime. That movie is from 1988. ~15 years old. Martha Dumptruck isn't even noteworthy by today's standards of fatness. How bout Chunk from the goonies. That kid would have to be 3 times the size he is to be the fat kid today. That movie is from 85. We're on a runaway fatso train to lard town and some of that can be traced back to the fact that now its just so mean to look down on people-of-gelatenousness.
 
2013-01-24 12:32:42 PM

StoPPeRmobile: Zelron: Super_pope: Wtf is your problem, honestly? How hard is it to not buy something? Just say, "You know what ,I won't buy those,"

Do you say the same thing to alcoholics? Do you say the same thing to other addicts? Don't kid yourself, it is an addiction.

This.


And the worst part is, treatment for addiction (or mental disorders in general) isn't cheap, and most health insurance plans don't cover it. I know this first hand. It's farking frustrating.
 
2013-01-24 12:34:22 PM

Super_pope: We're on a runaway fatso train to lard town and some of that can be traced back to the fact that now its just so mean to look down on people-of-gelatenousness.


I have no problem with you looking down on me.

The point is, more shame isn't the answer.
 
2013-01-24 12:36:27 PM

Thunderpipes: Bullying works. Always has. It is an evolutionary instinct. Taking it away just makes losers not want to improve.


As a former fat person, I beg to differ. I got in shape because I convinced myself of the positives. People making fun of me only made me want to withdraw and eat even more.
 
2013-01-24 12:38:11 PM

santadog: There are NO lazy skinny people.


Bull. shiat.
 
2013-01-24 12:39:45 PM

Super_pope: All that shiat you say doesn't work worked REAL well for a long time. Go watch Heathers sometime. That movie is from 1988. ~15 years old. Martha Dumptruck isn't even noteworthy by today's standards of fatness. How bout Chunk from the goonies. That kid would have to be 3 times the size he is to be the fat kid today. That movie is from 85. We're on a runaway fatso train to lard town and some of that can be traced back to the fact that now its just so mean to look down on people-of-gelatenousness.


Martha Dumptruck isn't even noteworthy? Maybe it's been a while since you've seen it, but she was quite huge.
www.x-entertainment.com

Here is what modern day people call "fat".
thintimately.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-01-24 12:39:59 PM

Edward Rooney Dean of Students: StoPPeRmobile: Beans

BZZZZZZZZT!!! Flag on the play! 10 yard penalty, loss of down!

It's chili, not chili con garbonzos!

/Apropos of nothing, of course


You remind me of me complaining about pizza.

Pizza is perfection of simplicity. Sauce, cheese, and bread yet some morans want to put pineapple on it. WTF!
 
2013-01-24 12:40:05 PM
Zelron: So they can afford [cigarettes] since they're buying them (...) My wife would go to the gym and spend 30 minutes on a stair master every day and was still pretty heavy. Exercise doesn't work for everyone.

The cigarette analogy is useful. The obese similarly warp their priorities concerning eating; for poor smokers it's about dysfunctionally overspending what little money they have and for the obese it's about how they insanely overeat beyond their needs. It is foolish to think that 30 minutes of daily exercise can offset, much less overcome, ANYONE's obesity. Obesity is caused by how much one eats, not how little one exercises.

Zelron: Thunderpipes: Imagine how many problems could be solved if people stopped making excuses?

Getting back to the main point, the shaming isn't going to help. We're already shamed up the wazoo.


You've got it backwards; people make excuses because they're ashamed.

bighairyguy: He sounds like he wants to justify his need to be a bully.

You sound fat.
 
2013-01-24 12:40:15 PM

xynix: Eating a good diet also beats obesity..


Agreed, but the problem is, what constitues a "good diet" may vary widely from person to person and the one-size fits all advice the medical establishment is giving people makes the problem worse.  People who frequent these kinds of threads  have heard this story before, but in my life I have been fat (300-320),  holy shiat I'm fat (370), and currently "yeah you could stand to lose 20 lbs" (about 240).  In the time I went from 300-370 I was working out every day (aerobic exercise for 1/2 hour weights for the other half) and eating a restricted calorie, low-fat diet.  It left me pre-diabetic and with a soaring blood pressure.

I ignored medical advice and did a low carb diet where I made sure my carbs were 40 or less, my protien was over 100 gm/day and I was free to eat as much dietary fat as I cared to.  In three months I went from 370 to 285, and in six months  I was down under 260, with magnificent cholesterol, and a BP that was lower by 60 points on both numbers (which should tell you how high it was).   For various reasons I left off eating low carb for about 10 years and kept off all but about 25 lbs or so.  Recently I re-embraced the low carb thing because the Type II diabetes I was in the process of developing  over a decade ago finally came creeping back.   At about 60-80 carbs/day I've dropped another 45 lbs in the last two months, and I haven't weighed less than this since my Freshman year of HS. (i'm in my 40's)

The point being that if I hadn't ignored medical advice, I'd almost certainly be dead now.  The human metabolism, and the complex interplay of our endocrine system is just barely beginning to be understood at this point (to say nothing of the effects of the different strains of symbiotic bacteria in our guts without which we could not even digest food).  "Fat shaming" is all well and good, but perhaps modern medicicine could first figure out WTF we are supposed to eat and in what proportions, before condemning us all for "eating wrong"
 
2013-01-24 12:41:08 PM

Trillian Astra: emotionally eats


Key word here, emotionally. You are not chemically dependent. You do not get the shakes if you only liquify one bag of gummy bears before injecting them into your ass because you already have too many rainbow colored track marks on your arms. You are fighting a learned behavior that you have conditioned yourself to "want" to do. The only thing you are "struggling" with is the routine you have created for yourself. Its hard to break a routine, I understand that. When you're at a place where it HURTS YOU TO WALK just fighting the negative reinforcement of the physical pain of your fatness so that you can get that last palate of chocolate bars loaded into your SUV must be a herculean effort. Wouldn't it just be easier on you to not walk through the store to the candy aisle? You'd sure think so...
 
2013-01-24 12:41:43 PM

Super_pope: Zazzy: nickerj1: Halophilic: maggoo: I find it hard to believe that 64% of the US adult population has chromosomal abnormalities.

You need to find another scapegoat.

Maybe it's time we stop using a metric created by a 19th century Beligan not-doctor and gauge I don't know, actual health? "Overweight" on BMI is a joke.

I came to say this. I can't take you seriously when you cite an article that uses BMI.

I agree for more health care costs for unhealthy fat people, as someone else suggested. They do add a lot of costs to the health care industry. However, current mainstream methods for determining whether someone is healthy (ie, giving them a label of "overweight", "obese", "uber obese") based solely on number values of their height and weight is absolutely ludicrous.

Anyone who works out a lot, is military/police, or an athlete will tell you how absurd BMI is. It's completely inaccurate for people of muscular builds.

For instance, this man: Link
[www1.cdn.sherdog.com image 200x300]

Is on the edge of the "obese" rating for BMI. Is that man obese? No. Is he healthy? Yes.

If you do anything related to increasing costs, etc, for the fat people, you had better do it based on a doctor's assessment, a physical test, or something other than BMI, like body fat percentage.

It's the same as BAC, really, which also doesn't account for some types of people to accurately represent whether they're impaired, but that's a story for another day.

Your claim that just because BMI doesn't work for a pro athelete means it should never be used is pretty good grounds for no one taking you seriously. For 99% of the population it works just fine. The people who need to hear about their BMI are not pro atheletes.

I love that one too. "Oh is Vince Wilfork obese? He's a pro football player!

Let me tell you something about those guys. They're incredibly fast and strong and yes heavy, and about ten to fifteen years after they retire if they're REALLY lucky walking just hurts ...


True, even some pro atheletes are harming themselves through unhealthy weight. Another argument FOR the use of BMI. It almost always works. There are definitely exceptions, but they are so very rare.
 
2013-01-24 12:41:52 PM

StoPPeRmobile: Pizza is perfection of simplicity. Sauce, cheese, and bread yet some morans want to put pineapple on it. WTF!


[Omar voice]: Oh, indeed!
 
2013-01-24 12:43:45 PM
I remember some old guy trying to fat shame me once. I was in the 99¢ Store and I had like 6 bags in my hand. He just started going on and on about me eating all that, the usual type of stuff people say to make themselves feel superior. I just looked at him coldly and he kept going. About 15 seconds in he notices that I am at the dog treat area and that all the bags in my hands are assorted dog treats. He shut up and scurried away.
 
2013-01-24 12:44:27 PM

stonicus: Martha Dumptruck isn't even noteworthy? Maybe it's been a while since you've seen it, but she was quite huge.


Fair enough, I guess I am misremembered that. You have to give me Chunk though.
 
2013-01-24 12:46:42 PM

Super_pope: stonicus: Martha Dumptruck isn't even noteworthy? Maybe it's been a while since you've seen it, but she was quite huge.

Fair enough, I guess I am misremembered that. You have to give me Chunk though.


Yeah, he'd be average in modern society.
 
2013-01-24 12:48:29 PM

CoonAce: Obesity is caused by how much one eats, not how little one exercises.


Wrong. Balance of diet and exercise is what determines whether you gain, maintain, or lose. It's not a single variable equation.
 
2013-01-24 12:50:57 PM

hutchkc: As a super fatty I have mixed feelings on this. I think those of us that are already fat it won't help much, but might encourage younger people to not follow our path. That's what I think happened with smokers. Most people that have been smoking forever won't quit, but there aren't as many people joining the ranks. However if it goes to far you will get the opposite effect.

/boring personal story

I come from a very abusive family and we as kids were not allowed any cokes/candy/sugary items as they were deemed bad for us. They meant well, but by denying sweets it caused the cravings to be worse. As a teenager I bought some Oreos and didn't finish them while at work so I brought them home, and got a broken nose as punishment. Now I have the mentality of eating an entire bag of M&Ms so there are no leftovers, and my house always has junk food in it since it was denied as a kid.


I'm from a big family, some are fat and some are not (and a couple have one foot in each campsite).

One of my older brothers is mentally retarded (not in the endearing way). He would invariably receive more desserts and cookies and ice cream and such...Another sib complained one evening when she got only one cookie, and Horsehead (not an actual nickname) got several. My dad responded "What would you rather have, the cookies or the extra brains?"

A real card, the old man...rest his soul.

To this day, almost all of my older sibs have cookies stashed somewhere in their respective homes' kitchens. It's a matter of principle.

/Youse can have some of my cookies. It's all good, bro.
 
2013-01-24 12:51:38 PM

Super_pope: Trillian Astra: emotionally eats

Key word here, emotionally. You are not chemically dependent. You do not get the shakes if you only liquify one bag of gummy bears before injecting them into your ass because you already have too many rainbow colored track marks on your arms. You are fighting a learned behavior that you have conditioned yourself to "want" to do. The only thing you are "struggling" with is the routine you have created for yourself. Its hard to break a routine, I understand that. When you're at a place where it HURTS YOU TO WALK just fighting the negative reinforcement of the physical pain of your fatness so that you can get that last palate of chocolate bars loaded into your SUV must be a herculean effort. Wouldn't it just be easier on you to not walk through the store to the candy aisle? You'd sure think so...


Also wrong. My brain certainly tweaks when I have some good sugary food. And I can't just eat one cookie.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2235907/
 
2013-01-24 12:51:57 PM

Super_pope: onestly? How hard is it to not buy something? Just say, "You know what ,I won't buy those," and then don't buy them. I'm not even saying, "Don't eat that." Maybe that's too hard. Are you going to have some kind of problem if you just leave your money in your wallet and don't buy the thing at all? I just don't understand how literally just not going out of your way to purchase something you k



Your trying to make something logical that isn't. People don't always do what's logical and for me there is an emotional issue at play that I haven't solved.

Since you don't understand the best way to put it would be an obsessive/compulsive behavior. If I'm at a store and walk by the candy aisle my brain goes "NEED ... NOW". Not always but regularly. If I don't get anything and go home I obsess that I don't have any candy and crave it. It builds in strength and adds almost a jumpy/jittery piece to it. Eventually I feel like I have to have it ala Smeed in the Lord of the Rings.

It sounds silly and it is, but that's my personal vice. I don't drink, smoke, or do drugs ... but from what I gather it sounds like a drug addiction. The only thing that I've seen that stops that feeling is Phentermine as it seems to stop the food craving. However it only seems to work for about 2 weeks and then it fades.
 
2013-01-24 12:54:07 PM

flemardo: I remember some old guy trying to fat shame me once. I was in the 99¢ Store and I had like 6 bags in my hand. He just started going on and on about me eating all that, the usual type of stuff people say to make themselves feel superior. I just looked at him coldly and he kept going. About 15 seconds in he notices that I am at the dog treat area and that all the bags in my hands are assorted dog treats. He shut up and scurried away.


So how did they taste, fatty?


/I kid...
 
2013-01-24 12:55:08 PM

hutchkc: Since you don't understand the best way to put it would be an obsessive/compulsive behavior. If I'm at a store and walk by the candy aisle my brain goes "NEED ... NOW". Not always but regularly. If I don't get anything and go home I obsess that I don't have any candy and crave it. It builds in strength and adds almost a jumpy/jittery piece to it. Eventually I feel like I have to have it ala Smeed in the Lord of the Rings.


Don't forget driving back to the store because you need it. Can't wait for the wife and kids to go to bed to go get your fix. Yeah, it's a real thing. It's a real pain. Because one more can't hurt.
 
2013-01-24 12:56:53 PM
I can't imagine public shaming would work for the majority of people - everyone I know who is overweight is by FAR their own worst critic. Oh, and being rude to people on purpose....you should be ashamed of yourselves. Isn't the world a tough enough place without going out of your way to be unkind to people?

I come from a family of people who struggle with their weight (hell, my immediate family is all losing that battle). None of them blame anything/anyone but themselves. My motivation to never get that far is pretty strong: watching someone try to lose half their body weight is pretty excruciating if you care for them.

/love eating, don't want to get fat or become diabetic (also runs in the family)
//easier to stay thinner/lighter than to lose weight
///no gym membership at the moment, so I have nowhere to be in 26 minutes
 
2013-01-24 12:58:41 PM

WhippingBoy: Yes, that was my point. You have no control of being jewish or black or missing your legs, but you do have control over your own body (in the fast majority of cases). Comparing a morbidly obese person to a black person is intellectually dishonest.


Is it really? You're assuming that we have free will, and modern neuroscience has all but disproved that idea.
 
2013-01-24 12:59:31 PM

Super_pope: You are not chemically dependent. You do not get the shakes if you only liquify one bag of gummy bears before injecting them into your ass because you already have too many rainbow colored track marks on your arms. You are fighting a learned behavior that you have conditioned yourself to "want" to do. The only thing you are "struggling" with is the routine you have created for yourself.


To an extent you are chemically dependent (please note this does not apply to all overweight or obese people, I'm not trying to make generalizations). If food is what makes you feel better, it's because the sugar and the starchy foods are causing your body to produce things like serotonin. Can exercise give people a high? Yes. But if you're overeating due to emotional strain, the sugar will give you the immediate high you're looking for.
 
2013-01-24 12:59:55 PM

Point02GPA: Shaming works well. That's why you don't see any retards anymore.


I see plenty, like a large portion of my city has accepted that HIV is no longer a disease but a managed condition. People aren't concerned with getting HIV and in fact will actively seek out someone with HIV to become part of the social group.
 
2013-01-24 01:00:25 PM

treesloth: So they want to take a group of people that deals with shame and emotional upset by eating... and shame them and cause them emotional upset? To get them to stop eating? This sounds like "fark nymphos until they stop being nymphos". Brilliant!


Hey I have no problem with farking a nympho until she stops being a nympho.
 
2013-01-24 01:00:56 PM

Wayne 985: Thunderpipes: Bullying works. Always has. It is an evolutionary instinct. Taking it away just makes losers not want to improve.

As a former fat person, I beg to differ. I got in shape because I convinced myself of the positives. People making fun of me only made me want to withdraw and eat even more.


So, what's your substitute?
 
2013-01-24 01:01:15 PM

stonicus: Here is what modern day people call "fat".
thintimately.files.wordpress.com


No, that's what a limited group of people, usually with very warped views, call fat. Certainly not "modern day people" collectively. A few people that happen to live in modern times.
 
2013-01-24 01:01:41 PM

Xenomech: Is it really? You're assuming that we have free will, and modern neuroscience has all but disproved that idea.


I will choose free will.
 
2013-01-24 01:03:17 PM

thecpt: Xenomech: Is it really? You're assuming that we have free will, and modern neuroscience has all but disproved that idea.

I will choose free will.


You're just doing that because the neurons and chemicals in your brain told you to.
 
2013-01-24 01:03:29 PM

bluefoxicy: I see plenty, like a large portion of my city has accepted that HIV is no longer a disease but a managed condition. People aren't concerned with getting HIV and in fact will actively seek out someone with HIV to become part of the social group.


You might want to move. Like, yesterday.
 
2013-01-24 01:04:16 PM

Wayne 985: As a former fat person, I beg to differ. I got in shape because I convinced myself of the positives. People making fun of me only made me want to withdraw and eat even more.


Ditto. I'm about halfway through my weight loss. Lost about 55, have ~45 or so to go. I don't give a damn about people's comments. I do care about having trouble standing up after spending some time installing a server rack at work. So, I'm fixing it.
 
2013-01-24 01:05:07 PM

Zelron: You're just doing that because the neurons and chemicals in your brain told you to.


what? listen to rush? No, they told me to get in my car. rush was just playing.
 
2013-01-24 01:07:16 PM

MCStymie:
To this day, almost all of my older sibs have cookies stashed somewhere in their respective homes' kitchens. It's a matter of principle.

/Youse can have some of my cookies. It's all good, bro.



That's basically my guess, spite, principle, compensation, and/or whatnot. I've tried to put a logical reason behind it, but to be honest I can't. It's at a subconscious level.

I share my cookies with yous too :)
 
2013-01-24 01:07:49 PM

The Only Sane Man In Florida: Well the "fat acceptance" movements certainly aren't going to reduce obesity...


You said a mouthful, pardon the pun.

Zelron: CoonAce: Obesity is caused by how much one eats, not how little one exercises.

Wrong. Balance of diet and exercise is what determines whether you gain, maintain, or lose. It's not a single variable equation.


Of course it isn't: Calories consumed minus Calories burned determines whether you gain, maintain, or lose. Exercise can offset only a small amount of caloric intake. The caloric intake of an obese adult cannot realistically be overcome by exercise. The diet must change.
 
2013-01-24 01:10:26 PM

Xenomech: WhippingBoy: Yes, that was my point. You have no control of being jewish or black or missing your legs, but you do have control over your own body (in the fast majority of cases). Comparing a morbidly obese person to a black person is intellectually dishonest.

Is it really? You're assuming that we have free will, and modern neuroscience has all but disproved that idea.


You are correct: neuroscience has not disproved that idea. Self control, guys.
 
2013-01-24 01:14:41 PM
///Would get popcorn, but I am fat.
 
2013-01-24 01:15:36 PM

roc6783: ///Would get popcorn, but I am fat.


Fark ate my picture of a cheesecake. Fark must be fat, too. Nice.
 
2013-01-24 01:19:01 PM

StoPPeRmobile: Wayne 985: Thunderpipes: Bullying works. Always has. It is an evolutionary instinct. Taking it away just makes losers not want to improve.

As a former fat person, I beg to differ. I got in shape because I convinced myself of the positives. People making fun of me only made me want to withdraw and eat even more.

So, what's your substitute?


You serious? Encourage people on the positives. They feel better physically, they feel a sense of pride, they'll live far longer and see their kids grow up, they might get laid more often. Any number of things.

I have a co-worker who's in the process of quitting smoking. I encouraged and told her I was proud of her and that it would be great for her health. What I didn't do was yell at her for smoking in the first place and call her names.
 
2013-01-24 01:25:11 PM

CoonAce: The Only Sane Man In Florida: Well the "fat acceptance" movements certainly aren't going to reduce obesity...

You said a mouthful, pardon the pun.

Zelron: CoonAce: Obesity is caused by how much one eats, not how little one exercises.

Wrong. Balance of diet and exercise is what determines whether you gain, maintain, or lose. It's not a single variable equation.

Of course it isn't: Calories consumed minus Calories burned determines whether you gain, maintain, or lose. Exercise can offset only a small amount of caloric intake. The caloric intake of an obese adult cannot realistically be overcome by exercise. The diet must change.


That's essentially the matter at hand. Diet, aerobic exercise, and anaerobic exercise are the three things that make it all work.

You absolutely can't get by on just one of the three, and there are limited-at-best results with two.
 
2013-01-24 01:31:41 PM

thecpt: Xenomech: Is it really? You're assuming that we have free will, and modern neuroscience has all but disproved that idea.

I will choose free will.


You have no choice but to have free will.
 
2013-01-24 01:34:32 PM

flemardo: I remember some old guy trying to fat shame me once. I was in the 99¢ Store and I had like 6 bags in my hand. He just started going on and on about me eating all that, the usual type of stuff people say to make themselves feel superior. I just looked at him coldly and he kept going. About 15 seconds in he notices that I am at the dog treat area and that all the bags in my hands are assorted dog treats. He shut up and scurried away.


It's funny that people think this tactic will work with smokers.

oh wait
 
2013-01-24 01:41:15 PM

MCStymie:
One of my older brothers is mentally retarded (not in the endearing way). He would invariably receive more desserts and cookies and ice cream and such...Another sib complained one evening when she got only one cookie, and Horsehead (not an actual nickname) got several. My dad responded "What would you rather have, the cookies or the extra brains?"

A real card, the old man...rest his soul.


Your father was trying to shame him into being smart.
 
2013-01-24 01:41:22 PM

treesloth: stonicus: Here is what modern day people call "fat".
[thintimately.files.wordpress.com image 450x619]

No, that's what a limited group of people, usually with very warped views, call fat. Certainly not "modern day people" collectively. A few people that happen to live in modern times.


Why did you pick that trainwreck as your example?
 
2013-01-24 01:42:52 PM
static3.fjcdn.com

i like scooters
 
2013-01-24 01:44:02 PM
if i get fat it's mcdonalds fault, they have to pay for my disability cuz i can't work no more
 
2013-01-24 01:44:47 PM

Snarfangel: MCStymie:
One of my older brothers is mentally retarded (not in the endearing way). He would invariably receive more desserts and cookies and ice cream and such...Another sib complained one evening when she got only one cookie, and Horsehead (not an actual nickname) got several. My dad responded "What would you rather have, the cookies or the extra brains?"

A real card, the old man...rest his soul.

Your father was trying to shame him into being smart.


Perhaps...he IS smart enough to know that he gets cut a lot of slack.

I would have preferred the extra cookies, though.
 
2013-01-24 01:45:00 PM

StoPPeRmobile: Why did you pick that trainwreck as your example?


I didn't. I replied to someone else that did and preserved their example.
 
2013-01-24 01:53:13 PM

Zelron: Also wrong. My brain certainly tweaks when I have some good sugary food. And I can't just eat one cookie.


You may have convinced yourself that you can't just have one cookie but you don't get "sick" if you don't. Fiance lost a friend from waaaay back in highschool to a heroine overdose, I know what someone who has an ACTUAL tweak looks like.

hutchkc: It sounds silly and it is, but that's my personal vice. I don't drink, smoke, or do drugs ... but from what I gather it sounds like a drug addiction


It sounds more like someone over-dramatizing their desire for sweets. You have convinced yourself through regular reinforcement that you need that food. Bottom line, you DON'T. You feel anxious for cookies when you walk by them and don't buy them. That is very different from having your pain receptors alight all of your body, heaving vomiting, and uncontrollable shuddering. Perspective you farking child. Learn some.

Trillian Astra: But if you're overeating due to emotional strain, the sugar will give you the immediate high you're looking for.


To an extent I am addicted to praise. It makes me feel good, and when I'm feeling bad I start wanting someone to tell me how great I am. It gives me that high that makes me feel better when I don't feel so good.

This is so farking stupid. "Cookies make me feel good so I need them sometimes! Its a real problem!" No, it farking ISN'T. No matter how much you say it it won't be true. Severe alcoholics who quit drinking DIE sometimes from the DTs if they try to do it cold turkey. You don't have to be weaned off of your farking Oreos or risk stopping your heart.
 
2013-01-24 01:58:56 PM
it's my cookies i need them now!

any true bioethicist will tell you that we cannot help it, we have no free will

why are you guys blaming the victims?
 
2013-01-24 02:16:19 PM

Super_pope: Severe alcoholics who quit drinking DIE sometimes from the DTs if they try to do it cold turkey. You don't have to be weaned off of your farking Oreos or risk stopping your heart.


Wow! You did it! I'm cured! You shamed me into it! I just dropped 225 pounds! You're awesome! I don't know why I didn't think of that. I don't need the cookie! I can eat only one! Wow! I don't know how to thank you! You should tell everyone that! It will FIX THE PROBLEM!!!! I am in awe! I just can't say it enough how thankful I am!

I wish you'd posted this years ago! It would have saved me so much money and trouble! Wow! Awesome! I can't get over it!
 
2013-01-24 02:20:45 PM

jso2897: ph0rk: Expolaris: 2 years later, close to 200 miles of walking, then jogging, and now running and i'm down 130 lbs (and still going), have a happy and successful career, and have met a woman who has also lost over 100lbs. We are Team Healthy.

200 miles in 2 years? His math must be wrong or he has tapeworms.


I love how that ad has coffee, mustard, borax chips, prunes, and tomatoes in it.

I guess that's what people thought made you fat back then.

/yes I saw the bread, olive oil, and ham as well
 
2013-01-24 02:25:01 PM

treesloth: stonicus: Here is what modern day people call "fat".


No, that's what a limited group of people, usually with very warped views, call fat. Certainly not "modern day people" collectively. A few people that happen to live in modern times.


I call that overweight that seems less obvious due to the tan and bad breast augmentation. Flat and pale she'd look a bit porcine.
 
2013-01-24 02:28:09 PM

Zelron: Super_pope: Severe alcoholics who quit drinking DIE sometimes from the DTs if they try to do it cold turkey. You don't have to be weaned off of your farking Oreos or risk stopping your heart.

Wow! You did it! I'm cured! You shamed me into it! I just dropped 225 pounds! You're awesome! I don't know why I didn't think of that. I don't need the cookie! I can eat only one! Wow! I don't know how to thank you! You should tell everyone that! It will FIX THE PROBLEM!!!! I am in awe! I just can't say it enough how thankful I am!

I wish you'd posted this years ago! It would have saved me so much money and trouble! Wow! Awesome! I can't get over it!


Who cares about you? I'm going to think what I'm going to think about you based on your appearance and if you're a spheroid it's going to be bad and the responses here indicate you're going to deserve it and be "powerless" to fix it. And by powerless I mean you are a grown up child with impulse control problems who aggrandizes your shiatty little non-issues. Billions of people walk by the freezer aisle in their grocery store and don't drown themselves in soft serve each and every day.

The rest of you might think you're in some way special and that you just can't help it, and in a way I suppose that's true. You are special in that you're what we call, "pussies." You can't tolerate the slightest most trivial discomfort or delay in immediate gratification, regardless of how bad it is for you or how deep you've already dug the hole by packing yourself to bursting with anything that looked like it might POSSIBLY contain sugar in order to hold your bad feelings at bay for another few seconds.
 
2013-01-24 02:28:38 PM

Super_pope: You may have convinced yourself that you can't just have one cookie but you don't get "sick" if you don't. Fiance lost a friend from waaaay back in highschool to a heroine overdose, I know what someone who has an ACTUAL tweak looks like.


http://www.recoveryview.com/2012/05/sugar-addiction-sweet-misery-for- a ll/
http://suite101.com/article/breaking-sugar-addiction-a411892
http://www.mirror.co.uk/lifestyle/health/sugar-addiction-how-to-cut-i t -out-1282617
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-r-talbott/sugar-health_b_1396609.h t ml
 
2013-01-24 02:31:27 PM

Honest Bender: Step 1 and 2 took me 2 weeks for it to start feeling "normal." Then I started on step 3 and 4. This week, I've started on step 5. So far so good. Next up on my goals list is to find more strenuous exercise. I'm trying to find local hiking trials.


see if you can find an indoor pool (at like a YMCA or something.) You can use it year round (so cold weather, storms, etc, wont throw off your schedule) and its much easier on the joints and less likely to injure yourself. its also very good exercise. if its nice in the summer where you live, outdoor can be a nice way to change it up.
 
2013-01-24 02:32:58 PM

Super_pope: Zelron: Super_pope: Severe alcoholics who quit drinking DIE sometimes from the DTs if they try to do it cold turkey. You don't have to be weaned off of your farking Oreos or risk stopping your heart.

Wow! You did it! I'm cured! You shamed me into it! I just dropped 225 pounds! You're awesome! I don't know why I didn't think of that. I don't need the cookie! I can eat only one! Wow! I don't know how to thank you! You should tell everyone that! It will FIX THE PROBLEM!!!! I am in awe! I just can't say it enough how thankful I am!

I wish you'd posted this years ago! It would have saved me so much money and trouble! Wow! Awesome! I can't get over it!

Who cares about you? I'm going to think what I'm going to think about you based on your appearance and if you're a spheroid it's going to be bad and the responses here indicate you're going to deserve it and be "powerless" to fix it. And by powerless I mean you are a grown up child with impulse control problems who aggrandizes your shiatty little non-issues. Billions of people walk by the freezer aisle in their grocery store and don't drown themselves in soft serve each and every day.

The rest of you might think you're in some way special and that you just can't help it, and in a way I suppose that's true. You are special in that you're what we call, "pussies." You can't tolerate the slightest most trivial discomfort or delay in immediate gratification, regardless of how bad it is for you or how deep you've already dug the hole by packing yourself to bursting with anything that looked like it might POSSIBLY contain sugar in order to hold your bad feelings at bay for another few seconds.


Have you ever quit a drug addiction?

That is what many obese people have to overcome to begin reasonable weight loss. It's not easy or trivial. Relapses are real and cold-turkey is not an option.
 
2013-01-24 02:33:43 PM

Super_pope: Who cares about you? I'm going to think what I'm going to think about you based on your appearance and if you're a spheroid it's going to be bad and the responses here indicate you're going to deserve it and be "powerless" to fix it. And by powerless I mean you are a grown up child with impulse control problems who aggrandizes your shiatty little non-issues. Billions of people walk by the freezer aisle in their grocery store and don't drown themselves in soft serve each and every day.

The rest of you might think you're in some way special and that you just can't help it, and in a way I suppose that's true. You are special in that you're what we call, "pussies." You can't tolerate the slightest most trivial discomfort or delay in immediate gratification, regardless of how bad it is for you or how deep you've already dug the hole by packing yourself to bursting with anything that looked like it might POSSIBLY contain sugar in order to hold your bad feelings at bay for another few seconds.


Wow, you have anger issues. What did some fattie do to you to make you so intolerant that you would judge someone by their looks? Although I do not have a metabolic problem, my wife does because she has thyroid issues. I'm pretty sure she didn't choose to have that.

I feel sorry for you. You must live a hollow life with all of that anger. Let me know if there's anything I can do for you.
 
2013-01-24 02:34:28 PM

Zelron: http://www.mirror.co.uk/lifestyle/health/sugar-addiction-how-to-cut-i t -out-1282617


"When first cutting down on sugar, you'll probably experience headaches and feel grumpy and lethargic for a few days.

But after a week you'll start to feel better and be amazed at how quickly your addiction fades. Here's how to do it painlessly but effectively."

Yea, that is too hard. it would be like a WHOLE WEEK of monday
 
2013-01-24 02:37:21 PM

steamingpile: Queensowntalia: If weight issues are linked with mental issues, adding psychological attacks is only going to make the problem worse. I have struggled with both depression and my weight for years, and articles like these, and the resulting Fark "all fat people should go kill themselves" threads haven't motivated me to exercise, they've made me want to hurt myself and/or drink myself into a stupor. It's hard enough for me to leave the house to begin with. Please don't make it even harder.

Then we set up extra large suicide booths for fat asses to take care of themselves, problem solved.

Your depression is driven partly by a self image issue if you can't fix that then there is no hope for you, getting out of the house has nothing to do with it, you are on the internet and there are a shiat ton of sites of workouts you can do at home. Expercise also releases endorphins to make you feel better so its win-win, bottom line is just exercise anywhere you can and quit making excuses.


You know, every day I look in the mirror at my two-buck self and say "goddamn, I'm so glad my mother loved me enough to teach me to love others instead of worrying about my weight".

It must be so horrible to live without someone having taught you that.
 
2013-01-24 02:37:40 PM

Carth: Yea, that is too hard. it would be like a WHOLE WEEK of monday


no wonder garfield never lost weight
 
2013-01-24 02:38:42 PM

Zelron: Super_pope: You may have convinced yourself that you can't just have one cookie but you don't get "sick" if you don't. Fiance lost a friend from waaaay back in highschool to a heroine overdose, I know what someone who has an ACTUAL tweak looks like.

http://www.recoveryview.com/2012/05/sugar-addiction-sweet-misery-for- a ll/
http://suite101.com/article/breaking-sugar-addiction-a411892
http://www.mirror.co.uk/lifestyle/health/sugar-addiction-how-to-cut-i t -out-1282617
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-r-talbott/sugar-health_b_1396609.h t ml


One of those is a Marriage Councilor, one is essentially a personal blog, one of them (the only remotely not insane sounding one) is pimping what amounts to a diet book, and one is from a sensationalist tabloid.
 
2013-01-24 02:41:04 PM

Carth: When first cutting down on sugar, you'll probably experience headaches and feel grumpy and lethargic for a few days.

But after a week you'll start to feel better and be amazed at how quickly your addiction fades. Here's how to do it painlessly but effectively."

Yea, that is too hard. it would be like a WHOLE WEEK of monday


There were other / worse symptoms in some of the other articles. Granted, not as bad as withdrawal from other drugs but sugar is also legal, readily available, and hard to avoid.

the point is, more shame isn't the answer.
 
2013-01-24 02:41:20 PM

Super_pope: 1The rest of you might think you're in some way special and that you just can't help it, and in a way I suppose that's true. You are special in that you're what we call, "pussies." You can't tolerate the slightest most trivial discomfort or delay in immediate gratification, regardless of how bad it is for you or how deep you've already dug the hole by packing yourself to bursting with anything that looked like it might POSSIBLY contain sugar in order to hold your bad feelings at bay for another few seconds.


It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside knowing you're out there and genuinely care about my well being and physical and mental health. =) It couldn't possibly be that I just like to eat and that I don't give a flying fark about your opinion of me. No, you've convinced me I have serious issues I need to deal with. I'll be waiting here patiently for you to reply back with the steps I need to fix my life, since you seem to care and know so much.
 
2013-01-24 02:45:37 PM

Carth: Zelron: http://www.mirror.co.uk/lifestyle/health/sugar-addiction-how-to-cut-i t -out-1282617

"When first cutting down on sugar, you'll probably experience headaches and feel grumpy and lethargic for a few days.

But after a week you'll start to feel better and be amazed at how quickly your addiction fades. Here's how to do it painlessly but effectively."

Yea, that is too hard. it would be like a WHOLE WEEK of monday


You're making light of something deadlier and more addictive than heroine (according to the headline). For Shame!
 
2013-01-24 02:46:11 PM
I just had an epiphany!

It's not MY fault! It's society's fault for not having shamed me enough! Since more shame is the answer, then if you don't shame me enough it's not my fault!

Glad I don't have to take responsibility now! Thanks!
 
2013-01-24 02:47:36 PM
Fat people are fat by their own doing and nothing else. If they don't like being fat, they can change it. If they do, then I guess I don't care (since I like to drink and other things that are not healthy choices).

Prior picture of Ms. Spears is that of a mildly obese woman. My wife is thin and fit because she exercises. It's really not any more complicated than that.

/ cue thyroid excuse
 
2013-01-24 02:48:00 PM

Super_pope: You're making light of something deadlier and more addictive than heroine (according to the headline). For Shame!


I have to admit I do have an addition to females in spandex (heroines).
 
2013-01-24 02:49:33 PM

daveinsurgent: / cue thyroid excuse


I don't have a thyroid problem. My wife does.

Lots of middle-aged women do.
 
2013-01-24 02:49:51 PM

amquelbettamin: I call that overweight that seems less obvious due to the tan and bad breast augmentation. Flat and pale she'd look a bit porcine.


I strongly suspect you're in the minority. If most people looked at that, not knowing who it is or the trainwreck that she was at the time, I'd guess they'd call her healthy. Not athletic, not overweight... just healthy. There are no unreasonable fat deposits, very slight protrusion of the belly, slight spare tire, etc. Like I said, not athletic, not overweight. I wish I were that fat...
 
Ant
2013-01-24 02:53:13 PM

bighairyguy: He sounds like he wants to justify his need to be a bully.


This. Shaming fat people just makes people fat and depressed.
 
2013-01-24 02:54:22 PM

Zelron: hutchkc: Since you don't understand the best way to put it would be an obsessive/compulsive behavior. If I'm at a store and walk by the candy aisle my brain goes "NEED ... NOW". Not always but regularly. If I don't get anything and go home I obsess that I don't have any candy and crave it. It builds in strength and adds almost a jumpy/jittery piece to it. Eventually I feel like I have to have it ala Smeed in the Lord of the Rings.
Don't forget driving back to the store because you need it. Can't wait for the wife and kids to go to bed to go get your fix. Yeah, it's a real thing. It's a real pain. Because one more can't hurt.


I'm going to do a rare thing and stick up for the fatties. First of all, 99% of you do not understand the power of addictions and what people will do to avoid certain bad thoughts and feelings. I"m not here to explain here to you, because I don't give a fark--you don't get it. That's the way it is, just like I don't understand what it's like to have cancer. That's why I don't go around telling people with cancer how to deal with it. But everyone on Fark is an expert on subjects they've never personally been acquainted with, so why stop now?

I had kind of a farked-up childhood, like hutchkc was talking about. My mother made me obsessed with my looks, how "skinny" I was, and what I was eating. I've never been fat, but I'm an alcoholic, and I had eating disorders for many years. Both compulsions were equally as strong--when I needed to binge, I needed to. I would eat so that I wouldn't drink, and I'd drink so that I wouldn't eat.

Long story short, I'm over it now. I got better. I eat normally, I'm sober, and despite being weird as hell, I'm free of my addictions now. But it was a long goddamned haul. When I say "you don't know what it's like" ---you don't know what it's like. So STFU for once. Not everyone was born to mentally stable parents who gave them love, self-acceptance, social skills, a well-rounded childhood, and the ability to figure out how to do well in life. You got lucky.
 
2013-01-24 03:00:51 PM

treesloth: amquelbettamin: I call that overweight that seems less obvious due to the tan and bad breast augmentation. Flat and pale she'd look a bit porcine.

I strongly suspect you're in the minority. If most people looked at that, not knowing who it is or the trainwreck that she was at the time, I'd guess they'd call her healthy. Not athletic, not overweight... just healthy. There are no unreasonable fat deposits, very slight protrusion of the belly, slight spare tire, etc. Like I said, not athletic, not overweight. I wish I were that fat...


When you call someone healthy instead of hot, means that they are fat.

Not to mention, that fat being young means really bad things later on. Younger people can be a little fat and not have cottage cheese, but that changes.

Stephanie Seymour. Now that is a truly healthy chick, and she is old now.
 
Ant
2013-01-24 03:02:47 PM

Thunderpipes: Bullying works. Always has. It is an evolutionary instinct. Taking it away just makes losers not want to improve.


And as everyone knows, we should always structure our societies around allowing natural selection to take its course completely unhindered. It's got the word natural in it! It must be good!

/Naturalistic fallacy? What's that?
 
2013-01-24 03:04:18 PM
So there's a difference between acknowledging that weight problems exist and wanting to help people (I'm not saying I agree with TFA) and this "pro-fat" or "anti-skinny" movement that is abound. Fat isn't healthy. Fat isn't normal. Fat isn't attractive to most people (to each their own - just don't think that someone is being unfair because they find you unattractive because of your weight). "supermodel skinny" isn't healthy either, but there's plenty of room between bulimic and britney.

Zelron: I don't have a thyroid problem. My wife does.

Lots of middle-aged women do.


Can be treated. Also only contributes to 5 or 10 lbs of weight gain. As soon as treatment starts you have the metabolism of someone without the problem. No excuse.
 
2013-01-24 03:06:14 PM

Thunderpipes: When you call someone healthy instead of hot, means that they are fat.


No it means they're healthy. Not the same thing. A person can be ugly and healthy.

Thunderpipes: Not to mention, that fat being young means really bad things later on. Younger people can be a little fat and not have cottage cheese, but that changes.


Well, sure. But the question of who's fat and who isn't is up for debate. I don't think that particular picture of Ms. Spears shows a fat person. It shows a healthy person-- not athletic, not overweight.
 
Ant
2013-01-24 03:11:44 PM

WhippingBoy: You know what finally motivated me to lose the weight? I was in a restaurant with some friends and passed by a couple of attractive women. One of them looked me in the eye, looked down at my body, and said "eww, gross". That triggered something inside me; I was tired of being summarily rejected and shamed. Within a year and a half, I was 100 pounds lighter and no longer felt ashamed to be out in public.


You should thank those horrible, judgmental, sorry excuses for human beings for helping you lose weight. They sound like heroes!
 
2013-01-24 03:12:08 PM

daveinsurgent: Can be treated. Also only contributes to 5 or 10 lbs of weight gain. As soon as treatment starts you have the metabolism of someone without the problem. No excuse.


Thanks Dr. Dave, where do I send the co-pay?
 
Ant
2013-01-24 03:17:26 PM

abhorrent1: Lots of white knights defending the fatties in here. Will you do the same for smokers? No? That's what I thought. Because smoking is a choice and being fat is not, right?


You don't need to smoke to live, dumbass. You do need to eat to live.

/I'll still defend your dumbass right to smoke though.
//ex-smoker
 
2013-01-24 03:44:21 PM
How about spending time with one of your fat friends (there should be plenty to choose from) and showing them your idea of healthy eating and exercise. Take them shopping and illustrate how to identify healthier purchases. If it is someone you are friends with it should be too difficult to spend time together, cook some meals together, go to the gym or park or have them join your sports team, whatever. I'm not saying you need to become their trainer and roommate. Just share your time with a friend and try to encourage them.

"I can't do that, I don't have the time, it isn't my responsibility, etc" Yeah, well, shame is a double-edged sword. Why not try contributing to the solution you unhelpful bastards.
 
2013-01-24 03:44:39 PM
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my arms are long enough

// almost
 
2013-01-24 03:45:40 PM

Thunderpipes: You will regain your weight. Gimmick dieting is no substitute for working your butt off, sweating, lifting weights, running, and relatively normal eating. Sugar addiction. What is next?


It's actually a real thing. For my metabolism, sugar provides calories but no lasting satisfaction. That's why he's calling it an addiction - the presence of excessive amounts of sugar in his diet screwed up the reward center of his brain. By 'breaking' that addiction, he's actually fixing the diet part - IE the last item on your list.

buckets_of_fun: But has anyone taken a look at how they're stimulating the economy? They're buying more food. They're buying bigger clothes (i.e. more material). They need bigger coffins. I could go on for sentences and sentences...


It's a broken window fallacy though: If they didn't need to spend more money on all that stuff, they'd be able to afford to go on vacations more, buy a bigger/better TV/house, put more into retirement savings(that they'd be able to enjoy because they'd live longer), etc...

xanadian: Makes you wonder how they got poor to begin with.


In my observations of the world, at least in the USA being 'poor' is more about spending habits than income. Rich people actually tend to have the highest spending efficiency, poor people the worst - we're talking about stuff like check cashing fees, payday loans, higher interest rates, etc.. Poor utilization of their money.

WhippingBoy: If that were true, then everyone would be fat. How is it that some people aren't? Magic beans?


We have poor mental health treatment in the USA as well; how come not everybody is going and shooting up schools? Half the USA may 'get it', or just get lucky with the chromosomes, or have grown up with a family that actually ate right. Doesn't mean it's not a cultural problem, that if we changed certain factors we might be able to get the obesity level down under 10%.
 
2013-01-24 03:52:05 PM

Firethorn: Thunderpipes: You will regain your weight. Gimmick dieting is no substitute for working your butt off, sweating, lifting weights, running, and relatively normal eating. Sugar addiction. What is next?

It's actually a real thing. For my metabolism, sugar provides calories but no lasting satisfaction. That's why he's calling it an addiction - the presence of excessive amounts of sugar in his diet screwed up the reward center of his brain. By 'breaking' that addiction, he's actually fixing the diet part - IE the last item on your list.

buckets_of_fun: But has anyone taken a look at how they're stimulating the economy? They're buying more food. They're buying bigger clothes (i.e. more material). They need bigger coffins. I could go on for sentences and sentences...

It's a broken window fallacy though: If they didn't need to spend more money on all that stuff, they'd be able to afford to go on vacations more, buy a bigger/better TV/house, put more into retirement savings(that they'd be able to enjoy because they'd live longer), etc...

xanadian: Makes you wonder how they got poor to begin with.

In my observations of the world, at least in the USA being 'poor' is more about spending habits than income. Rich people actually tend to have the highest spending efficiency, poor people the worst - we're talking about stuff like check cashing fees, payday loans, higher interest rates, etc.. Poor utilization of their money.

WhippingBoy: If that were true, then everyone would be fat. How is it that some people aren't? Magic beans?

We have poor mental health treatment in the USA as well; how come not everybody is going and shooting up schools? Half the USA may 'get it', or just get lucky with the chromosomes, or have grown up with a family that actually ate right. Doesn't mean it's not a cultural problem, that if we changed certain factors we might be able to get the obesity level down under 10%.


Have you vacationed recently? Plenty of fat people love vacations. Many just sit at home watching TV. Many buy exercise equipment as clothes hangers. I will give you the saving money deal for retirement. But because of obesity they barely reach retirement age.
 
2013-01-24 03:55:49 PM

Ant: You don't need to smoke to live, dumbass. You do need to eat to live.


You clearly don't need to eat the amount that causes you to bloat up to 400 pounds, otherwise by definition that bloating part wouldn't happen.
 
2013-01-24 04:09:25 PM
No such thing as sugar addiction, period.

Just another excuse, like alcohol addiction, heroin addiction, etc. Some people just stop doing it, because it is a choice. Sure, the body might go through withdrawal, so what? Happened to me plenty of times in my fun drinking stage. At a certain point, you just decide to stop. How hard is that?

The fact people whine about being addicted to anything just shows how far we have sunk as a society. Being fat, 99.999999% of the time is because people like to eat, and don't like to move. End of story.

And our kids are fat because we don't kick their ass out of the house after Saturday morning cartoons and let them play all day, only coming back for lunch, dinner, and then bedtime.
 
2013-01-24 04:29:53 PM

santadog: It's the sugar in everything, and it's processed food.  The country is addicted.  I was fat all my life, and ballooned over the last couple winters.  Last April I hopped on a scale after not paying attention for a couple years, and saw 261lbs.  Decided to watch some food documentaries, and viewed "Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead".  Inspiration.  The premiss: Consume nothing but fruit and veggie juices you make at home, tons of flavor recipes that are good, and because you taking in straight up nutrients and little fiber, your digestion takes a break with energy working elsewere, your body burns up a lot of fat, and you reboot your system and break the addiction of sugar, fried stuff, and too much meat.

I tried a 10 day fast.  By day 7 I knew I could do 30.   May, August, and October I did 30 day fasts, lost 100 pounds, no longer crave sugar, or any other of the bad crap.  I now cook "regular" meals, more plant based than meat, and have not only kept the weight off, and changed the way I look at food, but I also lost another 10 pounds since October bringing me down to my goal weight.  Rebooted my body.  Broke the addiction of sugar.  And, once I started it.. it was THE EASIEST THING.

Has nothing to do with lazy.  Yes, there can be underlying crap, but it's amplified by the sugar addiction, just like it would be amplified by alcohol.

/CSS


Fasts? You mean, consuming nothing? You know what that does to your metabolism long term?
 
2013-01-24 04:34:50 PM

Thunderpipes: No such thing as sugar addiction, period.

Just another excuse, like alcohol addiction, heroin addiction, etc. Some people just stop doing it, because it is a choice. Sure, the body might go through withdrawal, so what? Happened to me plenty of times in my fun drinking stage. At a certain point, you just decide to stop. How hard is that?

The fact people whine about being addicted to anything just shows how far we have sunk as a society. Being fat, 99.999999% of the time is because people like to eat, and don't like to move. End of story.

And our kids are fat because we don't kick their ass out of the house after Saturday morning cartoons and let them play all day, only coming back for lunch, dinner, and then bedtime.


Yup. Because it was easy for you to do makes it easy for everyone. Wish I'd thought of that. You should go to AA or NA or OA and tell everyone how easy it is! I'm sure they'd like the input.
 
2013-01-24 04:39:46 PM

Thunderpipes: No such thing as sugar addiction, period.


http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/complementary-medicine/201002/rec o vering-sugar-addiction-easily-overview
 
2013-01-24 04:42:22 PM
Should be
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/complementary-medicine/201002/rec o vering-sugar-addiction-easily-overview
 
2013-01-24 04:43:06 PM
The fat excuses in these kinda threads always amuse me.

//lost 20lbs July-Oct
//maintained
//want to lose 10 more so I can have the old 6 pack back.
 
2013-01-24 04:44:58 PM
"Fat acceptance" is a euphemism for "acceptance of fat women."

Women don't get to tell men what men find attractive.

We do.
 
2013-01-24 04:45:33 PM
Fatties gonna fat. Just makes my quasi-adonis physique look that much better by comparison.
 
2013-01-24 04:48:53 PM

dasbiz: Fatties gonna fat. Just makes my quasi-adonis physique look that much better by comparison.


Off topic

Phinn: "Fat acceptance" is a euphemism for "acceptance of fat women."

Women don't get to tell men what men find attractive.

We do.


Off topic
 
2013-01-24 04:53:58 PM

Super_pope: This is so farking stupid. "Cookies make me feel good so I need them sometimes! Its a real problem!" No, it farking ISN'T. No matter how much you say it it won't be true. Severe alcoholics who quit drinking DIE sometimes from the DTs if they try to do it cold turkey. You don't have to be weaned off of your farking Oreos or risk stopping your heart.


Actually, doctors do recommend weening yourself off of sugar. Quitting cold turkey can cause complications like blood sugar and metabolism issues, cold sweats, jitters, headaches, etc. Sure, severe alcoholics can die from the DTs, and sugar addiction might not cause as severe symptoms as detoxing from booze or harder drugs, but there are effects. And it's effects can be enough to discourage people who aren't exactly emotionally ready to make a lifestyle change.
 
2013-01-24 04:56:50 PM

Zelron: dasbiz: Fatties gonna fat. Just makes my quasi-adonis physique look that much better by comparison.

Off topic

Phinn: "Fat acceptance" is a euphemism for "acceptance of fat women."

Women don't get to tell men what men find attractive.

We do.

Off topic


You're off topic fatso. The topic is attempting to control what you stuff in your face hole, but you just can't seem to turn it off. :(
 
2013-01-24 05:01:01 PM

Trillian Astra: Super_pope: This is so farking stupid. "Cookies make me feel good so I need them sometimes! Its a real problem!" No, it farking ISN'T. No matter how much you say it it won't be true. Severe alcoholics who quit drinking DIE sometimes from the DTs if they try to do it cold turkey. You don't have to be weaned off of your farking Oreos or risk stopping your heart.

Actually, doctors do recommend weening yourself off of sugar. Quitting cold turkey can cause complications like blood sugar and metabolism issues, cold sweats, jitters, headaches, etc. Sure, severe alcoholics can die from the DTs, and sugar addiction might not cause as severe symptoms as detoxing from booze or harder drugs, but there are effects. And it's effects can be enough to discourage people who aren't exactly emotionally ready to make a lifestyle change.


The whole sugar thing is a red herring. Simply working out calories in, and reducing that is the way to go. When I want to lose weight I never worry about sugar beyond the calorie count. Most people avoid it just because its higher in calories, but its not a problem beyond that. No reason to cut sugar out cold turkey. Odds are if someone is so fat that this is an issue, they won't be starting at a 1500 kcal diet anyways.
 
2013-01-24 05:01:07 PM

dasbiz: You're off topic fatso. The topic is attempting to control what you stuff in your face hole, but you just can't seem to turn it off. :(


The topic was whether shaming people would make them more likely to lose weight. Not whether you're some shallow prick.
 
2013-01-24 05:05:10 PM

Pocket_Fisherman: The whole sugar thing is a red herring. Simply working out calories in, and reducing that is the way to go. When I want to lose weight I never worry about sugar beyond the calorie count. Most people avoid it just because its higher in calories, but its not a problem beyond that. No reason to cut sugar out cold turkey. Odds are if someone is so fat that this is an issue, they won't be starting at a 1500 kcal diet anyways.


When I did Weight Watchers I packed as much sugar into my points as I could because it lit me up when I ate it and not having it made me crave it even more.

Yes, ultimately it's the calories that count, both in and out. But the craving for sugar draws one towards unhealthy foods.

Is it my responsibility to deal with it? Yes. Does that make it easier for me? No. Does additional shame make it easier? No.
 
2013-01-24 05:12:49 PM

machoprogrammer: santadog: It's the sugar in everything, and it's processed food.  The country is addicted.  I was fat all my life, and ballooned over the last couple winters.  Last April I hopped on a scale after not paying attention for a couple years, and saw 261lbs.  Decided to watch some food documentaries, and viewed "Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead".  Inspiration.  The premiss: Consume nothing but fruit and veggie juices you make at home, tons of flavor recipes that are good, and because you taking in straight up nutrients and little fiber, your digestion takes a break with energy working elsewere, your body burns up a lot of fat, and you reboot your system and break the addiction of sugar, fried stuff, and too much meat.

I tried a 10 day fast.  By day 7 I knew I could do 30.   May, August, and October I did 30 day fasts, lost 100 pounds, no longer crave sugar, or any other of the bad crap.  I now cook "regular" meals, more plant based than meat, and have not only kept the weight off, and changed the way I look at food, but I also lost another 10 pounds since October bringing me down to my goal weight.  Rebooted my body.  Broke the addiction of sugar.  And, once I started it.. it was THE EASIEST THING.

Has nothing to do with lazy.  Yes, there can be underlying crap, but it's amplified by the sugar addiction, just like it would be amplified by alcohol.

/CSS

Fasts? You mean, consuming nothing? You know what that does to your metabolism long term?


Where did you see that in my comment.. that I ate nothing?
There are water fasts, fruit fasts, eat nothing fasts.. the term "Breakfast"...  ALL kinds of fasts.

I am fasting from everything except plant matter.  No meat, sugar, preservatives or additives of any type.
This is a micronutrient rich fast made from veggies and fruit that I make at home with my juicer.

One recipe for a juice fast copied from my earlier post: 4 tomatoes, 1 cucumber,  2 zuccini, 4 leaves of Kale, 1 Mustard Green, handfull of Spinach, 4 leaves Basil, Oregano, 3 carrots, 2 celery, and 1 apple.  Salt and pepper to taste, that I made FREASH... could be bad for me?  Or not enough?
 
2013-01-24 05:14:32 PM
As long as the BMI is the only way that obesity is calculated, this whole "obesity epidemic" is a sham...
 
2013-01-24 05:20:25 PM

Pocket_Fisherman: The whole sugar thing is a red herring. Simply working out calories in, and reducing that is the way to go. When I want to lose weight I never worry about sugar beyond the calorie count. Most people avoid it just because its higher in calories, but its not a problem beyond that. No reason to cut sugar out cold turkey. Odds are if someone is so fat that this is an issue, they won't be starting at a 1500 kcal diet anyways.


The issue I have with sugar is that it is a lot of empty calories and a big strain on organs like the pancreas. It is impossible, and you should not try, to eliminate all sugar from your diet, but something as simple as cutting out soft drinks or switching a vending machine packet of cookies for a clementine (if you need that sugary taste) or a spoonful of peanut butter can jump start a person into a healthier lifestyle. Simply cutting a daily can of Sprite from my diet back in high school (when I was diagnosed with PCOS and told that, given my family history, I was in danger of becoming Type II diabetic) was enough to make me lose a few pounds rather quickly, which did more towards encouraging a healthier overall lifestyle than any amount of bullying and fat-shaming ever did.
 
2013-01-24 05:23:48 PM

Zelron: Thunderpipes: No such thing as sugar addiction, period.

Just another excuse, like alcohol addiction, heroin addiction, etc. Some people just stop doing it, because it is a choice. Sure, the body might go through withdrawal, so what? Happened to me plenty of times in my fun drinking stage. At a certain point, you just decide to stop. How hard is that?

The fact people whine about being addicted to anything just shows how far we have sunk as a society. Being fat, 99.999999% of the time is because people like to eat, and don't like to move. End of story.

And our kids are fat because we don't kick their ass out of the house after Saturday morning cartoons and let them play all day, only coming back for lunch, dinner, and then bedtime.

Yup. Because it was easy for you to do makes it easy for everyone. Wish I'd thought of that. You should go to AA or NA or OA and tell everyone how easy it is! I'm sure they'd like the input.


Cults need members.

If a dumb conservative like me can, why can't super brainy liberals like Farkers? Oh noes, I am addicted to sugar, call the doctor!!! Come on. This is why we can't have nice things in this country. What the hell would we have done if the current generation went back in time to fight WW II? We would lose.
 
2013-01-24 05:27:21 PM

Zelron: dasbiz: You're off topic fatso. The topic is attempting to control what you stuff in your face hole, but you just can't seem to turn it off. :(

The topic was whether shaming people would make them more likely to lose weight. Not whether you're some shallow prick.


Off topic.

But now I'm changing the topic to: Just how fat are you?

Answer: Pretty fat, I think.

I'm changing the topic again: Are fat women attractive?

Answer: No.

Topic is changing again: Is shaming fat people (i.e., women) a good idea?

Answer: I have no idea if it will result in fewer fatties, but I don't especially care.
 
2013-01-24 05:34:56 PM

steamingpile: alephtau: Wrong target. The people who should be shamed are the greedy farks who rake in monstrous amounts of dollars by selling unhealthy addictive feed to their herds of indentured custommers.
But you would have to destroy the "capitalist" neofeudal structure of power in murika to do that, so won't happen

So instead of blaming the fat farks who eat it you blame those who make it but then this is the era when personal responsibility is out the window.

"Oh I wouldn't be a 300lb behemoth if those evil companies hadn't forced their products down my throat"

God you people are stupid.


This.

Hmmm who is to blame? The person who MADE bad choices several times a day, or the person who simply offers people a choice? Clearly it is the person who gave them a choice... if you actually blame the manufacturer, you are such a dumbass. They are responding to a demand. The problem lies with those who made the demand.

Some say shaming bad choices = bullying. In other news, telling people they need to stop smoking meth is bullying. There is a difference between making people ashamed simply of themselves, and making them selves ashamed of the choices they have made an continue to make (multiple times a day). It is valid to point out the result of their choices. Tell them they can be better, but they need to choose it and have the will power.

Another thing is the people who blame their fatness on genetics. This can be partially true for some people. Not nearly as many people as who claim it. Sure studies show that overweight people end up with overweight kids. But how much of that is genetics and how much of that is you passing your horrible lifestyle choices onto your children? I think almost all children of fat people would be healthy if raised by healthy parents instead.

As for the FEW that legitimately have severe genetic problems(I have known such a person) - sure you cannot help but to be a bit overweight. But since you gave up entirely, you have given yourself permission to loose all self control. So instead of weighing 275, you weight 435. You CAN help that. You can still develop good eating and excise habits - and they would make a severe difference. But you don't. Just because you got dealt a bad hand, you have totally given up on yourself. So I can't feel bad for you.
 
2013-01-24 05:44:12 PM
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work is hard , i worsh myself with a stick
 
2013-01-24 06:03:29 PM

Vodka Zombie: Haven't we been shaming fat people for decades already?


Yes. Don't we already have teenage girls developing eating disorders over fear of being fat?
 
2013-01-24 06:03:56 PM
I just spent the better part of two hours reading the comments here. Hurray sick days! I have been struggling with my weight since high school, and have recently started treatment for an eating disorder. Believe me, there is nothing you can say to me that is more hurtful or damaging than the cruelty I have unleashed on myself for the last 20 years.
 
2013-01-24 06:06:34 PM
How about we fix gym class? Mine taught me nothing and our only exercise was track which did nothing but make people hate it.

The rest of the time it was lots of softball, kickball, or overcrowded basketball where nobody moved much.
 
2013-01-24 06:07:07 PM

someonelse: ph0rk: By that same token, the dude (or dudette) in the wheelchair might be there because of their own stupidity, too.

[images.rcp.realclearpolitics.com image 449x337]


I have no idea who the guy is in that picture, but the look on his face just screams "PowerShart".
 
2013-01-24 06:08:50 PM

radiumsoup: it's largely worked for smoking, didn't it?

/taxing helped, but not very much.


That's because there was a shift in society from accepting smoking (ala Mad Men) to seeing it as something bad. Fat people have always been ridiculed.
 
2013-01-24 06:10:34 PM

kroonermanblack: Being fat? 95% of the time it's a choice.


You spelled "100%" wrong.
 
2013-01-24 06:20:28 PM

Graffito: Yes. Don't we already have teenage girls developing eating disorders over fear of being fat?


why can't they be normal like everyone else?

cdn4.blogs.babble.com
 
2013-01-24 06:21:55 PM

FarkinHostile: kroonermanblack: Being fat? 95% of the time it's a choice.

You spelled "100%" wrong.


free will is an illusion, it's a scientific FACT

stop blaming the victims
 
2013-01-24 06:22:13 PM

abhorrent1: Lots of white knights defending the fatties in here. Will you do the same for smokers? No? That's what I thought. Because smoking is a choice and being fat is not, right?


No, because smokers are pure evil.
 
2013-01-24 06:30:19 PM

I drunk what: FarkinHostile: kroonermanblack: Being fat? 95% of the time it's a choice.

You spelled "100%" wrong.

free will is an illusion, it's a scientific FACT

stop blaming the victims



I have no choice. This is the way god made me.
 
2013-01-24 06:34:21 PM
So where are the Adele pics?
 
2013-01-24 06:37:14 PM

Thunderpipes: Just another excuse, like alcohol addiction, heroin addiction, etc. Some people just stop doing it, because it is a choice. Sure, the body might go through withdrawal, so what? Happened to me plenty of times in my fun drinking stage.


Just shows you don't know what the heck you're talking about, or are deliberately misunderstanding the common definition. Alcohol addiction can be so bad that the addict can DIE if the withdrawal is sudden enough. Same with heroin.

At a certain point, you just decide to stop. How hard is that?

Simple enough. Especially with Alcohol, the rate of addiction varies. There's lots of people who never become addicted to it, but there's some that become addicted at the first drink(extreme outlier). By the sounds of it, you were never actually addicted.

Being fat, 99.999999% of the time is because people like to eat, and don't like to move. End of story.

You clearly don't understand the cravings my 177 pound self can undergo in my quest to get down to ~165(max of 190ish).

And our kids are fat because we don't kick their ass out of the house after Saturday morning cartoons and let them play all day, only coming back for lunch, dinner, and then bedtime.

It doesn't help that products today contain far more sugar, come in larger containers, and kids are being given high-sugar products earlier.
 
2013-01-24 06:52:50 PM

natas6.0: It seems mean,
but avoiding a truth
(yer disgustingly obese)
sems more like huggy-nannystate shiat.

Don't like it
lose weight
you'll be happier.
pinkie promise


It's just that I've never met an obese person who was not aware that he or she was obese and who did not hate themselves for it. I don't see how telling them that they are disgusting will do anything other than make me look like an ass.
 
2013-01-24 07:09:14 PM

Graffito: natas6.0: It seems mean,
but avoiding a truth
(yer disgustingly obese)
sems more like huggy-nannystate shiat.

Don't like it
lose weight
you'll be happier.
pinkie promise

It's just that I've never met an obese person who was not aware that he or she was obese and who did not hate themselves for it. I don't see how telling them that they are disgusting will do anything other than make me look like an ass.


Sugar is a drug. Ban sugar!
 
2013-01-24 07:15:58 PM

Zelron: I'm a big fat guy. Shame doesn't do it. I know.
I already feel ashamed that I have to ask for a seatbelt extender on a flight.
I already feel ashamed that I can't run around with my kids in the yard for more than 3 seconds without getting exhausted.
I already feel ashamed that I take up more than one seat on the subway.
I already feel ashamed that I can't walk more than a couple of blocks without my back screaming "What the fark are you doing to me?"
I already feel ashamed that I can't walk into any clothing store and expect that they'll have something that will fit.

Smoking vs. Obesity: You don't have to smoke, you do have to eat. Declining rates for smoking are primarily due to keeping them away from kids until they're old enough to know better. Just like with smoking though, someone has to want to quit. If they don't want to quit, no amount of shame will improve the situation.

Which is why I don't think kids should be involved in religion until they're old enough to know better.


Managung a nicotine addiction, for me at least, is a thousand times easier than watching my weight.

I can now take or leave cigarettes though I sometimes partake while drinking.

Food otoh... Nobody goes outside to snack. They do it right next to you. Food is everywhere. In every tv show, snacks on every street corner. And you cannot go cold turkey. Plus alcohol has calories so now dieting means reduced social life too.

I'm skipping the superbowl party this year because I am going strong and want to stay on the wagon.
 
2013-01-24 07:16:55 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Thunderpipes: santadog: It's the sugar in everything, and it's processed food.  The country is addicted.  I was fat all my life, and ballooned over the last couple winters.  Last April I hopped on a scale after not paying attention for a couple years, and saw 261lbs.  Decided to watch some food documentaries, and viewed "Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead".  Inspiration.  The premiss: Consume nothing but fruit and veggie juices you make at home, tons of flavor recipes that are good, and because you taking in straight up nutrients and little fiber, your digestion takes a break with energy working elsewere, your body burns up a lot of fat, and you reboot your system and break the addiction of sugar, fried stuff, and too much meat.

I tried a 10 day fast.  By day 7 I knew I could do 30.   May, August, and October I did 30 day fasts, lost 100 pounds, no longer crave sugar, or any other of the bad crap.  I now cook "regular" meals, more plant based than meat, and have not only kept the weight off, and changed the way I look at food, but I also lost another 10 pounds since October bringing me down to my goal weight.  Rebooted my body.  Broke the addiction of sugar.  And, once I started it.. it was THE EASIEST THING.

Has nothing to do with lazy.  Yes, there can be underlying crap, but it's amplified by the sugar addiction, just like it would be amplified by alcohol.

/CSS

It has everything to do with lazy. Food was worse when I was a kid. Kids were three times less likely to be obese. Blame someone else? Imagine that.

You will regain your weight. Gimmick dieting is no substitute for working your butt off, sweating, lifting weights, running, and relatively normal eating. Sugar addiction. What is next?

[www.mattfurey.com image 376x290]


Matt Furey knows his stuff.
 
2013-01-24 07:22:15 PM

Thunderpipes: santadog: It's the sugar in everything, and it's processed food.  The country is addicted.  I was fat all my life, and ballooned over the last couple winters.  Last April I hopped on a scale after not paying attention for a couple years, and saw 261lbs.  Decided to watch some food documentaries, and viewed "Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead".  Inspiration.  The premiss: Consume nothing but fruit and veggie juices you make at home, tons of flavor recipes that are good, and because you taking in straight up nutrients and little fiber, your digestion takes a break with energy working elsewere, your body burns up a lot of fat, and you reboot your system and break the addiction of sugar, fried stuff, and too much meat.

I tried a 10 day fast.  By day 7 I knew I could do 30.   May, August, and October I did 30 day fasts, lost 100 pounds, no longer crave sugar, or any other of the bad crap.  I now cook "regular" meals, more plant based than meat, and have not only kept the weight off, and changed the way I look at food, but I also lost another 10 pounds since October bringing me down to my goal weight.  Rebooted my body.  Broke the addiction of sugar.  And, once I started it.. it was THE EASIEST THING.

Has nothing to do with lazy.  Yes, there can be underlying crap, but it's amplified by the sugar addiction, just like it would be amplified by alcohol.

/CSS

It has everything to do with lazy. Food was worse when I was a kid. Kids were three times less likely to be obese. Blame someone else? Imagine that.

You will regain your weight. Gimmick dieting is no substitute for working your butt off, sweating, lifting weights, running, and relatively normal eating. Sugar addiction. What is next?


He is right. You are wrong.
 
2013-01-24 07:28:31 PM

FarkinHostile: I drunk what: FarkinHostile: kroonermanblack: Being fat? 95% of the time it's a choice.

You spelled "100%" wrong.

free will is an illusion, it's a scientific FACT

stop blaming the victims


I have no choice. This is the way god made me.


there is no god only nature, and science

be rational
 
2013-01-24 07:32:40 PM

Halophilic: maggoo: I find it hard to believe that 64% of the US adult population has chromosomal abnormalities.

You need to find another scapegoat.

Maybe it's time we stop using a metric created by a 19th century Beligan not-doctor and gauge I don't know, actual health? "Overweight" on BMI is a joke.


Bmi is fine for most people. You don't have big bones, you don't have extra organs or blood, you are probably fat.

My brother can bench over 300 lbs at 175lbs and 5'6". Now that puts him at just barely overweight but it is farking obvious his muscle mass is the reason. I highly doubt that most of the people in the overweight range, much less obese, are body building studs. If you aren't hitting the gym every day and focusing on muscle you just aren't going to have the thirty+ pounds of extra muscle that gets you to obese. Yet I see people whose high school football muscle has rotted to fat trying to pretend they are still muscular and it is all the mean ole bmi chart's fault.
 
2013-01-24 07:34:24 PM

DuncanMhor:

A stranger makes any "shaming" comments about my appearance uninvited will get a smack in the farking face, assuming I can catch the cowardly little fark.


Oi Scotty, I'll be in Edinburgh for the Festival in August.

I'll be at the Burns monument at 7pm on the 9th and if you show up I'll give you shiat directly to your haggis face.

If you actually have the sack to take a swing I'll buy you a pint after you wake up.
 
2013-01-24 07:40:06 PM

I drunk what: FarkinHostile: I drunk what: FarkinHostile: kroonermanblack: Being fat? 95% of the time it's a choice.

You spelled "100%" wrong.

free will is an illusion, it's a scientific FACT

stop blaming the victims


I have no choice. This is the way god made me.

there is no god only nature, and science

be rational



You're confusing your nouns.

But you already knew that.
 
2013-01-24 07:52:37 PM

I drunk what: FarkinHostile: I drunk what: FarkinHostile: kroonermanblack: Being fat? 95% of the time it's a choice.

You spelled "100%" wrong.

free will is an illusion, it's a scientific FACT

stop blaming the victims


I have no choice. This is the way god made me.

there is no god only nature, and science

be rational


But sir, you repeat yourself.

; )
 
2013-01-24 07:59:18 PM

FarkinHostile: You're confusing your nouns.


naturally

FarkinHostile: But you already knew that.


naturally

spacelord321: But sir, you repeat yourself.


naturally


FOR SCIENCE!!!1!
 
2013-01-24 07:59:45 PM

Greymalkin: DuncanMhor:

A stranger makes any "shaming" comments about my appearance uninvited will get a smack in the farking face, assuming I can catch the cowardly little fark.

Oi Scotty, I'll be in Edinburgh for the Festival in August.

I'll be at the Burns monument at 7pm on the 9th and if you show up I'll give you shiat directly to your haggis face.

If you actually have the sack to take a swing I'll buy you a pint after you wake up.


Oh look. Skirt-wearing ITGs in their natural habitat.
 
2013-01-24 08:03:08 PM

I drunk what: there is no god only nature, and science


Actually, God is real, but most of the time, he's drunk.
 
2013-01-24 08:09:48 PM

I drunk what: FarkinHostile: You're confusing your nouns.

naturally

FarkinHostile: But you already knew that.

naturally

spacelord321: But sir, you repeat yourself.

naturally


FOR SCIENCE!!!1!



Congrats, you finally made a point.

It's almost like you are learning....
 
2013-01-24 08:18:23 PM

I drunk what: FarkinHostile: I drunk what: FarkinHostile: kroonermanblack: Being fat? 95% of the time it's a choice.

You spelled "100%" wrong.

free will is an illusion, it's a scientific FACT

stop blaming the victims


I have no choice. This is the way god made me.

there is no god only nature, and science

be rational


You sound fat.
 
2013-01-24 08:26:17 PM

St. Spuzzum: I just spent the better part of two hours reading the comments here. Hurray sick days! I have been struggling with my weight since high school, and have recently started treatment for an eating disorder. Believe me, there is nothing you can say to me that is more hurtful or damaging than the cruelty I have unleashed on myself for the last 20 years.


Well. No words can hurt anyone really. The listener has to take the words and then beat themselves up. Sometimes people ignore the words, or don't beat themselves up to my satisfaction. That leaves me downcast. Other times, the listener will do a ferocious job of beating themselves up. That's the best case scenario, a well trained and motivated self-injuring victim.
 
2013-01-24 08:27:18 PM

NeoKhan: IlGreven: Funny, the same people who laugh at the fatties also laugh at New York for banning extra large Cokes. Which is it?

Can't we make fun of people without making laws to oppress them?


As history has shown...no, no we can't.
 
2013-01-24 08:29:10 PM
Zelron: I'm a big fat guy. Shame doesn't do it. I know.
I already feel ashamed that I have to ask for a seatbelt extender on a flight.
I already feel ashamed that I can't run around with my kids in the yard for more than 3 seconds without getting exhausted.
I already feel ashamed that I take up more than one seat on the subway.
I already feel ashamed that I can't walk more than a couple of blocks without my back screaming "What the fark are you doing to me?"
I already feel ashamed that I can't walk into any clothing store and expect that they'll have something that will fit.

Smoking vs. Obesity: You don't have to smoke, you do have to eat. Declining rates for smoking are primarily due to keeping them away from kids until they're old enough to know better. Just like with smoking though, someone has to want to quit. If they don't want to quit, no amount of shame will improve the situation.

Which is why I don't think kids should be involved in religion until they're old enough to know better.

Smackledorfer: Managung a nicotine addiction, for me at least, is a thousand times easier than watching my weight.


Ever think about e-cigarettes, or nicotine gum? Safe way to get that hit.
 
2013-01-24 08:41:02 PM

JungleBoogie: Zelron: I'm a big fat guy. Shame doesn't do it. I know.
I already feel ashamed that I have to ask for a seatbelt extender on a flight.
I already feel ashamed that I can't run around with my kids in the yard for more than 3 seconds without getting exhausted.
I already feel ashamed that I take up more than one seat on the subway.
I already feel ashamed that I can't walk more than a couple of blocks without my back screaming "What the fark are you doing to me?"
I already feel ashamed that I can't walk into any clothing store and expect that they'll have something that will fit.

Smoking vs. Obesity: You don't have to smoke, you do have to eat. Declining rates for smoking are primarily due to keeping them away from kids until they're old enough to know better. Just like with smoking though, someone has to want to quit. If they don't want to quit, no amount of shame will improve the situation.

Which is why I don't think kids should be involved in religion until they're old enough to know better.

Smackledorfer: Managung a nicotine addiction, for me at least, is a thousand times easier than watching my weight.

Ever think about e-cigarettes, or nicotine gum? Safe way to get that hit.


Don't waste money on the cheap shiat.

img.tapatalk.com
 
2013-01-24 08:41:45 PM

IlGreven: NeoKhan: IlGreven: Funny, the same people who laugh at the fatties also laugh at New York for banning extra large Cokes. Which is it?

Can't we make fun of people without making laws to oppress them?

As history has shown...no, no we can't.


Tyranny of the majority.
 
2013-01-24 08:42:08 PM
Eh, i smoke like once a month. Never tried an ecig. Do you still get that burn when you take a drag?
 
2013-01-24 08:52:52 PM

Smackledorfer: Eh, i smoke like once a month. Never tried an ecig. Do you still get that burn when you take a drag?


Throat hit, they call it. The answer is yes but it's not quite the same. Bonus, no smell.

Oh and it will never taste like an analog cig.
 
2013-01-24 09:08:15 PM

WhippingBoy: Trillian Astra: This isn't just a matter of "stop being fat, fatty", it has to do with the food culture in the US over all.

If that were true, then everyone would be fat. How is it that some people aren't? Magic beans?


...have you looked at the average American lately? These days, being thin is being an outlier.
 
2013-01-24 10:30:02 PM

IlGreven: WhippingBoy: Trillian Astra: This isn't just a matter of "stop being fat, fatty", it has to do with the food culture in the US over all.

If that were true, then everyone would be fat. How is it that some people aren't? Magic beans?

...have you looked at the average American lately? These days, being thin is being an outlier.


This.
 
2013-01-24 10:40:12 PM

StoPPeRmobile: Greymalkin: DuncanMhor:

A stranger makes any "shaming" comments about my appearance uninvited will get a smack in the farking face, assuming I can catch the cowardly little fark.

Oi Scotty, I'll be in Edinburgh for the Festival in August.

I'll be at the Burns monument at 7pm on the 9th and if you show up I'll give you shiat directly to your haggis face.

If you actually have the sack to take a swing I'll buy you a pint after you wake up.

Oh look. Skirt-wearing ITGs in their natural habitat.


Every get the feeling that you may be missing the joke but still had the need to hit your keyboard anyhow?

You should be experiencing that right now.
 
2013-01-24 10:44:22 PM

bk3k:
Hmmm who is to blame? The person who MADE bad choices several times a day, or the person who simply offers people a choice? Clearly it is the person who gave them a choice... if you actually blame the manufacturer, you are such a dumbass. They are responding to a demand. The problem lies with those who made the demand.

Some say shaming bad choices = bullying. In other news, telling people they need to stop smoking meth is bullying. There is a difference between making people ashamed simply of themselves, and making them selves ashamed of the choices they have made an continue to make (multiple times a day). It is valid to point out the result of their choices. Tell them they can be better, but they need to choose it and have the will power.

Another thing is the people who blame their fatness on genetics. This can be partially true for some people. Not nearly as many people as who claim it. Sure studies show that overweight people end up with overweight kids. But how much of that is genetics and how much of that is you passing your horrible lifestyle choices onto your children? I think almost all children of fat people would be healthy if raised by healthy parents instead.


This. This. And especially THIS.

People who have problems get partial, sensationalist, overblown, and quite frankly crappy reports about science from the media, and decide they now understand their issues in terms of "genetics"...and get it wrong.

Just because obesity "runs in the family" does NOT mean it has anything to do with genetics. More often it has to do with parents feeding their kids fattening foods because that's how they learned to eat from their own parents. Food preparation and eating habits are passed down through the generations. If all you ever saw at the dinner table was piles of burgers and fries or a giant pizza or fried stuff swimming in gravy, the idea that a salad could be dinner would be pretty foreign to you.

So, a child is being fed a diet in which he (I'm going with a male pronoun for convenience, typing "he or she" every time is...well I'm too lazy to do it) gets more calories than needed. First he feels too full, but since he's always getting about the same amount, his brain and body adapt so that a little too much food becomes normal. He grows a little and eats more...again a bit too much (who eats an extra 3 bites of burger or pizza? you finish the whole piece). Again the body adapts so that too many calories become just enough calories. Imagine this process occurring repeatedly, slowly over years. By adolescence he could be consuming hundreds of calories too much and gaining weight constantly, but if he eats less he'll feel hungry as his "baseline" caloric intake, what should be needed for a healthy body, has been skewed upwards.

Now this person is an obese adult. He wants to lose weight, but can't seem to manage. Every time he cuts his calories, he's hungry all the time. His body and brain have slowly been trained over time that "way too much" is "just enough"...dropping to 2000 calories a day could feel like starving to death.

Now don't get me wrong, as an adult this person has likely continued bad eating habits, despite the fact that at some point he surely learned that he was contributing to his weight problem. But now a problem that has developed over years or even decades is not going to have a quick fix, Even if the weight is lost, that new higher "baseline" calorie level can make it easy to eat just a little too much, just to feel really full, and the weight starts piling on again.

Thus much of the obesity problem and it's cure do start in childhood. Parents need to be educated and take responsibility that what they feed their kids can have a HUGE long term effect on their health. Healthy eating habits will likely lead normal weight gain and healthy adulthood. Poor eating habits leading to early excessive weight gain can doom their kids to obesity and all the difficulties associated with it.

Kayso I guess that was pretty long. Final thought a propos to TFA...maybe we shouldn 't shame the obese unless they're bringing home crappy food for their kids.

/still don't really approve of bullying
 
2013-01-24 11:56:46 PM

PsiChick: You know, every day I look in the mirror at my two-buck self and say "goddamn, I'm so glad my mother loved me enough to teach me to love others instead of worrying about my weight".

It must be so horrible to live without someone having taught you that.


No I was taught that but I was also taught to not accept my size if I were over weight, its not healthy mentally or physically.

I was raised by someone who taught me common sense, must be horrible to never have known what that phrase means.......
 
2013-01-24 11:59:55 PM

FarkinHostile: kroonermanblack: Being fat? 95% of the time it's a choice.

You spelled "100%" wrong.


Thats not true, its awfully close to 100% but not quite, the problem is we have too many people who want to blame other issues other than being lazy or unmotivated for their fat, they need to learn that nobody will help them except themselves.
 
2013-01-25 02:36:20 AM
 
2013-01-25 02:53:02 AM

bk3k: Some say shaming bad choices = bullying. In other news, telling people they need to stop smoking meth is bullying. There is a difference between making people ashamed simply of themselves, and making them selves ashamed of the choices they have made an continue to make (multiple times a day). It is valid to point out the result of their choices. Tell them they can be better, but they need to choose it and have the will power.


...oh look, someone who doesn't know the difference between constructive criticism (which is not bullying) and shaming, ostracism, and abuse (which is).

Calling people "fatty", "tubbs", and "blob" is not constructive criticism, and trying to hide behind "well, he needs to lose some weight" isn't helping. Jillian Michaels is harsh, but she's not a bully. There are people who can't handle her motivation, but that doesn't make her a bully. On the other hand, lobbing out insults, names, and abuse without any true effort to help someone change is bullying, no matter how much less harsh it is than Jillian's "motivational screaming". And it makes the bully seem far more lazy than the "fatty" they're insulting.
 
2013-01-25 05:33:50 AM

IlGreven: bk3k: Some say shaming bad choices = bullying. In other news, telling people they need to stop smoking meth is bullying. There is a difference between making people ashamed simply of themselves, and making them selves ashamed of the choices they have made an continue to make (multiple times a day). It is valid to point out the result of their choices. Tell them they can be better, but they need to choose it and have the will power.

...oh look, someone who doesn't know the difference between constructive criticism (which is not bullying) and shaming, ostracism, and abuse (which is).

Calling people "fatty", "tubbs", and "blob" is not constructive criticism, and trying to hide behind "well, he needs to lose some weight" isn't helping. Jillian Michaels is harsh, but she's not a bully. There are people who can't handle her motivation, but that doesn't make her a bully. On the other hand, lobbing out insults, names, and abuse without any true effort to help someone change is bullying, no matter how much less harsh it is than Jillian's "motivational screaming". And it makes the bully seem far more lazy than the "fatty" they're insulting.


I suppose it isn't constructive to refer to you as a moron either. But a rose by any other name...

No doubt you cannot fathom why I'd say that. Maybe I'll make a huge post to elaborate the multiple angles of this when I'm not ready to pass out, but I'll probably forget all about you instead. Just being honest.
 
2013-01-25 09:09:02 AM

StoPPeRmobile: You sound fat.


not by my choice, i'm the victim

i'm ok you're ok
 
2013-01-25 09:12:45 AM
Dear overweight people. Here's how to lose weight, guaranteed:

1. stop eating fats, especially fats from processed food and ground meats.
why: in a simplified nutshell: when you eat such things, you start to salivate which makes you crave more and the cycle goes on. by eliminating such salivation-inducing fats (and to some degree salts) and salts, you break that cycle. if you are on that cycle now, as many americans are, it's hard to get off - it takes between 3 days and a week during which you will be very, very tempted. However, once you're off, you're pretty much off and hopefully, like many thin people, you'll actually develop a revulsion to such foods (the thought of putting something like a dorito or mcfood in my mouth makes me almost nauseous). This is why thin but not athletic people stay thin..they don't get on this cycle. Most processed foods - everything from potato chips to oreos to salad dressing - is SWIMMING in fat. avoid processed foods entirely if possible--if the food you are looking at has a shelf life of more than two weeks DON'T EAT IT. If it's food that you would eat after it has been shipped via UPS to you, DON'T EAT IT. if you are in a typical american corporate eating hell environment, a sandwich with meat but no cheese and mustard but no oils or dressing is a good alternative (acutally, yes, there is something to Subway as long as you stay away from the sneaky fatty items on the menu). if you're trying to break the cycle, dont feel the need to cut down on your calories just yet - break the cycle first and you'll natually feel the need to eat less soon enough.

2. run without rewarding yourself.
Do not by default attempt this simultaneously with step #1, though if you do step 1, you may find yourself sooner than you think with excess energy and wanting to try this, which is fine too if you feel you want to.
if you are particularly overweight, your target for today is 20 minutes, outside, AT A CONSTANT SPEED, WITHOUT STOPPING. do it at the fastest speed you can that ensures that you DO NOT STOP the whole way, even if this means walking the whole way. You'll probably get it wrong your first time and likely try to go faster than you can. If you have left over energy at the end, sprint/go faster but use this as a guide to ensure that you go at a constant speed next time. The goal then is to increase either your speed or the duration of your runs - again - OUTSIDE (not on the treadmill) and WITHOUT STOPPING, AT CONSTANT SPEED. 20 minutes is a minimum, again, as long as its a walk. Once you can do 40 minutes in a row at anything above a walk, congratulations - you are losing weight. Once you get to 60 minutes even in a moderate jog, the weight will really start to come off. If absolutely necessary, this can be done on a treadmill, though outdoors is better. Start in winter if you can as the dense cold air will make your running easier - it's much harder to run in summer. Now--here's the key part - DON'T reward yourself with food. that is easier said than done but try to have normal, sensible meals.

if you run, your muscles may initially ache for even a few days. give them time to rest, though not too much--it's a fine line. you want to work up to where you run if not every day, at least every other day. if you get injured through overuse (too much too soon), give yourself time to heal and, critically, stick to rule #1 as you heal.

Do both of the above and you will lose weight and feel great. It's a self reinforcing cycle - get into it, and you'll find yourself doing one because it helps the other. you will actually be shocked at how much weight you can lose. if you stick with it, the weight loss will sneak up on you.

you can do it!

good luck
 
2013-01-25 09:28:57 AM

Bomb Head Mohammed: Dear overweight people. Here's how to lose weight, guaranteed:

1. stop eating fats, especially fats from processed food and ground meats.
why: in a simplified nutshell: when you eat such things, you start to salivate which makes you crave more and the cycle goes on. by eliminating such salivation-inducing fats (and to some degree salts) and salts, you break that cycle. if you are on that cycle now, as many americans are, it's hard to get off - it takes between 3 days and a week during which you will be very, very tempted. However, once you're off, you're pretty much off and hopefully, like many thin people, you'll actually develop a revulsion to such foods (the thought of putting something like a dorito or mcfood in my mouth makes me almost nauseous). This is why thin but not athletic people stay thin..they don't get on this cycle. Most processed foods - everything from potato chips to oreos to salad dressing - is SWIMMING in fat. avoid processed foods entirely if possible--if the food you are looking at has a shelf life of more than two weeks DON'T EAT IT. If it's food that you would eat after it has been shipped via UPS to you, DON'T EAT IT. if you are in a typical american corporate eating hell environment, a sandwich with meat but no cheese and mustard but no oils or dressing is a good alternative (acutally, yes, there is something to Subway as long as you stay away from the sneaky fatty items on the menu). if you're trying to break the cycle, dont feel the need to cut down on your calories just yet - break the cycle first and you'll natually feel the need to eat less soon enough.

2. run without rewarding yourself.
Do not by default attempt this simultaneously with step #1, though if you do step 1, you may find yourself sooner than you think with excess energy and wanting to try this, which is fine too if you feel you want to.
if you are particularly overweight, your target for today is 20 minutes, outside, AT A CONSTANT SPEED, WITHOUT STOPPI ...


This is completely wrong (except for the bit about avoiding processed foods, of course).

The human body is an open-ended energy system that is in a constant state of imbalance.

So, eat a wide variety of natural foods, and from those selections, eat what you enjoy. Fats are tasty and enjoyable and satisfying. You will feel the need to continue eating until you are satisfied. Eating unsatisfying foods that you do not enjoy will guarantee that you stay hungry forever.

As for exercise, warm up thoroughly, then exercise in short, high-intensity bursts, like sprints. It's fun, enjoyable, stimulating, far less time-consuming, and effective. Drink water only (no calories at all, and certainly no "energy drinks") for at least an hour afterward, and more if you can help it. Do that about 3 days per week.

Your suggestions are to eat unsatisfying food all the time, and exercise like you are a machine churning out widgets in a factory. That's not how the human body evolved to operate.
 
2013-01-25 10:01:02 AM
Yeah, but say anything to a pervert and it's a hate crime. We fat people just need better just need a variant of the free speech hating GLAAD, huh?
 
2013-01-25 10:19:15 AM

conservative_dude: Yeah, but say anything to a pervert and it's a hate crime. We fat people just need better just need a variant of the free speech hating GLAAD, huh?


radio.foxnews.comlosangeles.grubstreet.comextras.mnginteractive.com
 
2013-01-25 10:52:43 AM

Phinn: Bomb Head Mohammed: Dear overweight people. Here's how to lose weight, guaranteed:

1. stop eating fats, especially fats from processed food and ground meats.
why: in a simplified nutshell: when you eat such things, you start to salivate which makes you crave more and the cycle goes on. by eliminating such salivation-inducing fats (and to some degree salts) and salts, you break that cycle. if you are on that cycle now, as many americans are, it's hard to get off - it takes between 3 days and a week during which you will be very, very tempted. However, once you're off, you're pretty much off and hopefully, like many thin people, you'll actually develop a revulsion to such foods (the thought of putting something like a dorito or mcfood in my mouth makes me almost nauseous). This is why thin but not athletic people stay thin..they don't get on this cycle. Most processed foods - everything from potato chips to oreos to salad dressing - is SWIMMING in fat. avoid processed foods entirely if possible--if the food you are looking at has a shelf life of more than two weeks DON'T EAT IT. If it's food that you would eat after it has been shipped via UPS to you, DON'T EAT IT. if you are in a typical american corporate eating hell environment, a sandwich with meat but no cheese and mustard but no oils or dressing is a good alternative (acutally, yes, there is something to Subway as long as you stay away from the sneaky fatty items on the menu). if you're trying to break the cycle, dont feel the need to cut down on your calories just yet - break the cycle first and you'll natually feel the need to eat less soon enough.

2. run without rewarding yourself.
Do not by default attempt this simultaneously with step #1, though if you do step 1, you may find yourself sooner than you think with excess energy and wanting to try this, which is fine too if you feel you want to.
if you are particularly overweight, your target for today is 20 minutes, outside, AT A CONSTANT S ...


Actually, those foods are very satisfying, once you train your body to enjoy them. Flush tose toxic processed chemicals out of your body and you will enjoy healthier foods.
 
2013-01-25 11:19:46 AM

steamingpile: PsiChick: You know, every day I look in the mirror at my two-buck self and say "goddamn, I'm so glad my mother loved me enough to teach me to love others instead of worrying about my weight".

It must be so horrible to live without someone having taught you that.

No I was taught that but I was also taught to not accept my size if I were over weight, its not healthy mentally or physically.

I was raised by someone who taught me common sense, must be horrible to never have known what that phrase means.......


Oh, so they aren't thinking  correctly about their weight! Well, that makes  all the difference, doesn't it. It's just common sense to shame people who don't think  correctly about their weight. After all, it's perfectly okay for people to comment on the medical issues of total strangers, AND it helps that you can read minds!

Tell you what. You want to fattie-shame? Okay--just tell Fark the name of one of your medical issues. We'll comment on it as we see fit. Sounds fair to me.
 
2013-01-25 11:33:29 AM

PsiChick: Tell you what. You want to fattie-shame? Okay--just tell Fark the name of one of your medical issues. We'll comment on it as we see fit. Sounds fair to me.


Overeating is not a medical issue. Neither is smoking.

They can cause medical issues. But those self-abusive behaviors are not medical problems. They're just bad habits.
 
2013-01-25 11:37:21 AM
Phinn: So, eat a wide variety of natural foods, and from those selections, eat what you enjoy. Fats are tasty and enjoyable and satisfying. You will feel the need to continue eating until you are satisfied. Eating unsatisfying foods that you do not enjoy will guarantee that you stay hungry forever.

Reading comprehension is not your strong suit.

Nowhere did I not say to eat satisfying foods. I am not saying "eat celery and only celery and those disgusting and useless iceberg lettuce 'salads.' Unfortunately, you apparently live in such a narrow world that all you see is "big mac" or "cup full of celery sticks." This is sad, and, honestly, since you've attacked my views so strongly, I'm just going to out and out call you an idiot for thinking so.

Notice how I didn't even particularly discourage carbohydrate eating. In practice, I think reduced carbohydrate intake comes naturally when you start exercise and break the salt-salivation-fat cycle--you end up craving spaghetti only when your body needs it, such as after prolonged serious exercize.

I am saying stay away from processed foods and particularly fatty non-processed meats, such as ground beef. Here's a test: if you find yourself craving fatty meat (or chips, or oreos) DAILY, then you're eating too much fat and this craving can be tied to the salt-salivation-fat cycle. (if you crave the occasional piece of red/fatty meat after generally being away from it for a week or two, this is normal and is fine but this is not the problem of the typical overweight person).

I have left open the entire spectrum of food to be eaten EXCEPT for processed, long life stuff and an excess of fat. My problem with fat is not that "fat makes you fat" or that it's called "fat" - it's that high fat foods are typically high salt foods and the combination makes you salivate in such a way that you want to eat more. Disagree? Try eating just 5 potato chips.

"As for exercise, warm up thoroughly, then exercise in short, high-intensity bursts, like sprints. It's fun, enjoyable, stimulating, far less time-consuming, and effective."

I'm sorry, but this advice is idiotic. Overweight are going to lose weight by running "fun" sprints? Honestly, this may be the stupidest idea I have ever heard. It's such a stupid idea that I think you're a troll, but in case there are people who don't know, your "sprint" idea will result in no sustained weight loss and, more importantly, will lead to no increased cardiac capacity that will be part of a weight loss cycle. At worse, your suggestion is a recipe for heart attacks, even if the person warms up beforehand. Only sustained cardiovascular exercise in the "energy efficient" (60-70% MHR) or aerobic (70-80%) heart rate zone will result in long term weight loss. Your desire for anaerobic or red-line heart rate exercise is just, again, idiotic.
 
2013-01-25 11:40:54 AM

Phinn: PsiChick: Tell you what. You want to fattie-shame? Okay--just tell Fark the name of one of your medical issues. We'll comment on it as we see fit. Sounds fair to me.

Overeating is not a medical issue. Neither is smoking.

They can cause medical issues. But those self-abusive behaviors are not medical problems. They're just bad habits.


A) Okay. Tell Fark the name of one of your bad habits. Don't tell me you don't pick your nose, drive while on a cell phone...hell, driving while on a cell phone is probably  more dangerous than being fat.

B) There's this amazing thing called 'science' that actually discovered multiple factors in obesity...several decades ago. You might want to catch up sometime. One of the most fascinating finds is that some research suggests obese people are metabolizing the same foodstuffs in completely different ways--if you give two people a hamburger, one will put on weight, but the other will basically shrug it off, because the one putting on weight is metabolizing almost all of it as fat instead of metabolizing the proportional amounts of various nutrients. That's why some overweight people are also suffering from malnutrition.
 
2013-01-25 11:49:08 AM

Bomb Head Mohammed: Dear overweight people. Here's how to lose weight, guaranteed:

1. stop eating fats, especially fats from processed food and ground meats.
why: in a simplified nutshell: when you eat such things, you start to salivate which makes you crave more and the cycle goes on. by eliminating such salivation-inducing fats (and to some degree salts) and salts, you break that cycle. if you are on that cycle now, as many americans are, it's hard to get off - it takes between 3 days and a week during which you will be very, very tempted. However, once you're off, you're pretty much off and hopefully, like many thin people, you'll actually develop a revulsion to such foods (the thought of putting something like a dorito or mcfood in my mouth makes me almost nauseous). This is why thin but not athletic people stay thin..they don't get on this cycle. Most processed foods - everything from potato chips to oreos to salad dressing - is SWIMMING in fat. avoid processed foods entirely if possible--if the food you are looking at has a shelf life of more than two weeks DON'T EAT IT. If it's food that you would eat after it has been shipped via UPS to you, DON'T EAT IT. if you are in a typical american corporate eating hell environment, a sandwich with meat but no cheese and mustard but no oils or dressing is a good alternative (acutally, yes, there is something to Subway as long as you stay away from the sneaky fatty items on the menu). if you're trying to break the cycle, dont feel the need to cut down on your calories just yet - break the cycle first and you'll natually feel the need to eat less soon enough.

2. run without rewarding yourself.
Do not by default attempt this simultaneously with step #1, though if you do step 1, you may find yourself sooner than you think with excess energy and wanting to try this, which is fine too if you feel you want to.
if you are particularly overweight, your target for today is 20 minutes, outside, AT A CONSTANT SPEED, WITHOUT STOPPI ...


This might be some of the worst advice I've ever read. You should have dropped this troll-bomb at the start of the thread.
 
2013-01-25 11:58:41 AM

PsiChick: Phinn: PsiChick: Tell you what. You want to fattie-shame? Okay--just tell Fark the name of one of your medical issues. We'll comment on it as we see fit. Sounds fair to me.

Overeating is not a medical issue. Neither is smoking.

They can cause medical issues. But those self-abusive behaviors are not medical problems. They're just bad habits.

A) Okay. Tell Fark the name of one of your bad habits. Don't tell me you don't pick your nose, drive while on a cell phone...hell, driving while on a cell phone is probably  more dangerous than being fat.

B) There's this amazing thing called 'science' that actually discovered multiple factors in obesity...several decades ago. You might want to catch up sometime. One of the most fascinating finds is that some research suggests obese people are metabolizing the same foodstuffs in completely different ways--if you give two people a hamburger, one will put on weight, but the other will basically shrug it off, because the one putting on weight is metabolizing almost all of it as fat instead of metabolizing the proportional amounts of various nutrients. That's why some overweight people are also suffering from malnutrition.


One hamburger does not make a person obese. The obese person eats 5, claims they only eat one, and then blames metabolism.

Calories in v calories out. End of story.
 
2013-01-25 12:00:30 PM
Smackledorfer: "This might be some of the worst advice I've ever read. You should have dropped this troll-bomb at the start of the thread."

Go on, dipshiat. Tell me how sensible eating of things other than crap and moderate aerobic exercise is terrible advice. Or, rather, why don't you just come out and tell us which wacky for-profit diet book or program you are pushing as an alternative? "Spend yourself thin" perhaps?

Don't eat processed food. Don't eat high fat food (as this will start a pavlovian cycle that will keep you eating - disagree? again, try eating just 5 chips). Start conservatively, but build up to regular sustained aerobic exercize - ideally at least 40 minutes to an hour every other day.

only on the internet could I be called a troll for such advice. but, go on - tell us what you're selling.
 
2013-01-25 12:08:25 PM

Thunderpipes: One hamburger does not make a person obese. The obese person eats 5, claims they only eat one, and then blames metabolism.

Calories in v calories out. End of story.


Go google define:example.
 
2013-01-25 12:53:02 PM

Graffito: It's just that I've never met an obese person who was not aware that he or she was obese and who did not hate themselves for it. I don't see how telling them that they are disgusting will do anything other than make me look like an ass.


I agree, but is there anything that we could do to help? Perhaps amend healthcare so that 'obese' is considered a medical condition worthy of treatment, and payment for, by healthcare?

Maybe even as low as 'overweight'. By the time somebody is morbidly obese, their exercise options are generally limited, there's already large amounts of damage/medical conditions, etc...

It's a lot cheaper if you can successfully intervene earlier.
 
2013-01-25 01:33:50 PM
Firethorn: I agree, but is there anything that we could do to help? Perhaps amend healthcare so that 'obese' is considered a medical condition worthy of treatment, and payment for, by healthcare?

Close, but what we were looking for, Johnny, is "institute a national health system" so that the goal of keeping people healthy is in line with the relevant financial incentives and that preventative care and sound professional medical advice is readily available to all.

But, you know, we can't, say the morans, beause of illegal immigants. You know, the kind that consume about 0,01% of the resources of britain's NHS.
 
2013-01-25 01:45:25 PM

Bomb Head Mohammed: Smackledorfer: "This might be some of the worst advice I've ever read. You should have dropped this troll-bomb at the start of the thread."

Go on, dipshiat. Tell me how sensible eating of things other than crap and moderate aerobic exercise is terrible advice. Or, rather, why don't you just come out and tell us which wacky for-profit diet book or program you are pushing as an alternative? "Spend yourself thin" perhaps?

Don't eat processed food. Don't eat high fat food (as this will start a pavlovian cycle that will keep you eating - disagree? again, try eating just 5 chips). Start conservatively, but build up to regular sustained aerobic exercize - ideally at least 40 minutes to an hour every other day.

only on the internet could I be called a troll for such advice. but, go on - tell us what you're selling.


Don't eat fat is stupid advice. Most fats are healthy for you. While processed food is bad, fat from meats is healthy. If you want to talk about addictions fat isn't the source of those, it's sugar.

Running is a high impact low calorie burn activity for people in bad shape. Also, running aside, people in bad shape they will see better improvement through intervals than picking one speed and holding it. They should be doing a variety of exercises so that each muscle group (not to mention joints - we are talking about the obese here) has more recovery time between workouts. That means a variety of cardio, a variety of intensity, and weight training (both strength training and circuit training are good).

Your suggestion was pretty much "eat more sugar, break your legs".
 
2013-01-25 02:14:05 PM

Smackledorfer: Bomb Head Mohammed: Smackledorfer: "This might be some of the worst advice I've ever read. You should have dropped this troll-bomb at the start of the thread."

Go on, dipshiat. Tell me how sensible eating of things other than crap and moderate aerobic exercise is terrible advice. Or, rather, why don't you just come out and tell us which wacky for-profit diet book or program you are pushing as an alternative? "Spend yourself thin" perhaps?

Don't eat processed food. Don't eat high fat food (as this will start a pavlovian cycle that will keep you eating - disagree? again, try eating just 5 chips). Start conservatively, but build up to regular sustained aerobic exercize - ideally at least 40 minutes to an hour every other day.

only on the internet could I be called a troll for such advice. but, go on - tell us what you're selling.

Don't eat fat is stupid advice. Most fats are healthy for you. While processed food is bad, fat from meats is healthy. If you want to talk about addictions fat isn't the source of those, it's sugar.

Running is a high impact low calorie burn activity for people in bad shape. Also, running aside, people in bad shape they will see better improvement through intervals than picking one speed and holding it. They should be doing a variety of exercises so that each muscle group (not to mention joints - we are talking about the obese here) has more recovery time between workouts. That means a variety of cardio, a variety of intensity, and weight training (both strength training and circuit training are good).

Your suggestion was pretty much "eat more sugar, break your legs".


He said don't eat "high fat" foods.

"Do you listen, or do you wait to talk?"
 
2013-01-25 02:59:50 PM

spacelord321: He said don't eat "high fat" foods.


Why wouldn't you eat high-fat foods if fats are healthy and filling?

You can eat "high fat" foods without eating a "high fat diet" and no, contrary to his claim, it isn't fats in food that give you cravings to go back and scarf more down.

He also mentioned chips as an example. Guess what makes up less than half the caloric content of most chips? Fat. Guess what makes up more than half? Carbs.

But sure, it's the fat that gives you the addiction response and the false hunger from blood sugar spiking.
 
2013-01-25 03:23:46 PM

Smackledorfer: spacelord321: He said don't eat "high fat" foods.

Why wouldn't you eat high-fat foods if fats are healthy and filling?

You can eat "high fat" foods without eating a "high fat diet" and no, contrary to his claim, it isn't fats in food that give you cravings to go back and scarf more down.

He also mentioned chips as an example. Guess what makes up less than half the caloric content of most chips? Fat. Guess what makes up more than half? Carbs.

But sure, it's the fat that gives you the addiction response and the false hunger from blood sugar spiking.


He talked about sugars in an earlier post, I believe. And fats do create a craving for more fats. We are learning more and more everyday about healthier diets for humans but we are still quite ignorant. I can find conflicting reports for everything mentioned in this thread so far.

From my personal reading and experience I have come to one definative conclusion: cut processed foods for healthier living. Life feeds on life. The closer it is to living, the better your body can metabolize it.
 
2013-01-25 03:47:41 PM
If being unable to eat only "five chips" is your best example of a so-called fat addiction, you need to think again.

Chips are made of potatoes. That is the very worst, fat-producing food you can eat because they might as well be made out of refined sugar. The calories come mainly from the oil, yes, but it is the sugar that triggers the insulin, which drives the process of forming body fat. The only thing worse is HFCS.

Fatty foods that contain little sugar are fine. Olive oil, avocados, meat, even some of the tastier cheeses.

They satiate, which means that by eating them, it's infinitely easier to stop eating when you've had enough calories.
 
2013-01-25 04:19:17 PM
Phinn: If being unable to eat only "five chips" is your best example of a so-called fat addiction, you need to think again.
Chips are made of potatoes..

Chips are made of potatoes in the same way a drinking glass is made of sand. The process of making a chip (or a french fry) is basically one where the starch is replaced with fat. The more "chip" or "fry" like a piece of food is, the less potato is contains.

The fact that some idiot here interpreted my "Don't eat processed foods and fat-heavy foods and get moderate exercize" as "pig out on sugar and break your legs" has opened my eyes as to the crazy alternate universe that some people live in. I can't help but wonder if whoever would write that do so as an excuse for their own failings or is it that they're just that dumb.

I'm not saying "eat sugar." I'm saying "don't eat crap and don't eat foods that contain too much / unnecessary fat to put you on the fat-salt-saliva cycle" However, I think if you look closely what you will find is that people who "eat sugar" are those who are eating FAT INFUSED FOODS. Very few people get fat just by eating, say, bag after bag of skittles - most people would get sick after a short time. What there needs to be is an agent that makes you *keep coming back* to the sugar to make it dangerous. In the case of Coca Cola, that factor is caffeine. In most of the real types of food that get people fat, it's fat that makes you salivate, most of which is very present in processed foods even where you wont expect it. Oreos are a good example - if it were just the sugar, you'd give up after a few just because you'd be nauseous from the sugar rush - you dont see people eating smarties nonstop. But it's the fat that keeps you coming back - in the case of oreos, in the white where you kind of do expect it and in the cookie, where many don't.

Consider ramen noodles. Cheap packaged ones are fried and contain a massive amount of fat. Fresh ones are not and contain almost no fat at all. After you eat a bowl of ramen with fresh noodles and a reasonable stock, you are satisfied but not hungy. After you eat a bowl of instant ramen, you want more. More or less equal salt in both cases (though the instant will have more).

Don't believe me? Try switching to healthy "dry" (non-fatty) foods for a short while. You'll find it very difficult to do as you will feel hungry as your body will not satisfy your fat craving. But then, after a few days, it goes away.

But, you know, you can sit here arguing about it, or you can stop eating crap and start getting moderate aerobic exercize--EVEN IF THIS MEANS WALKING. That this would be controversial in any way hints at the extremely large amounts of disinformation and biased information out there, which may be why so many americans are confused and fat.

Now pardon me, I'm off for my run (26 minutes and all that).
 
2013-01-25 04:24:20 PM
It's diet and exercise. It doesn't matter so much what you eat as long as you're not eating too much, especially too much junk food.

For truly obese people, just getting moving is key. Although I don't agree with everything that Bomb Head said, I certainly don't think sprints are the answer. If you're at twice your optimal weight, you're not going to sprint anywhere. Any exercise requires gradual build up.

There's truths on both sides. Not all people have the same metabolism. Most (emphasis on MOST) fat people eat too much crap and don't move enough. Myself included. I had a physical yesterday and was 425 and I'm 6'2". Based on most charts I should be under 196. Based on my build I think I'm pretty good at 210. I'm not sprinting anywhere and all sprinting would do is discourage me and maybe cause a heart attack.

Two weeks ago I stopped putting sugar in my coffee and my craving for sugar has decreased. Regardless of how I got here I'm the only one who can fix me. All the other fat people can only be fixed by themselves. They have to want it enough to turn off the TV and get off the couch. The times I've had dramatic weight loss it's because I cut back on what I was eating and exercised (either summer yard work job, swimming, or something else). More time moving means less time sitting around and eating out of boredom. More time moving means more muscle development which means that every move burns more calories because more muscles are doing it.

For me though sugar seems to be the key. When I was on Weight Watchers (and lost about 80 pounds) I crammed as much sugar into my diet as I could and constantly looking forward to my next fix. I think if I can cut out most sugar (coffee, cookies, cake/icing, etc.) the I think I'll have an easier time.
 
2013-01-25 04:28:19 PM
Oh, and sleep. It's hard to say "no" to a treat or get up and move if you haven't had a good night of sleep. That's one of the issues I have, both apnea (which is being treated) and staying up too late watching TV, snacking, and making posts on FARK.
 
2013-01-25 06:00:00 PM

spacelord321: 1. stop eating fats, especially fats from processed food and ground meats.


Okay, going by your latter posts, I think you need to rephrase this to 'avoid high salt processed food'. Ther