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2013-01-24 10:50:34 AM  

Urmuf Hamer: The more people that can use pot might/will, which will definitely increase


That's quite a definitive statement there.
 
2013-01-24 10:50:58 AM  

Odd Bird: REO-Weedwagon: CSB from Colorado four weeks ago/ .../CSB

But seriously, Colorado sucks. Don't move here.

Why does it suck?

and that was a CSB


Because we have lite the No on the vacancy sign!!!
 
2013-01-24 10:51:15 AM  

REO-Weedwagon: CSB from Colorado four weeks ago/

Me and a few friends twist up a jay the size of a pine tree and get into the car. My sober girlfriend drives us slowly around to look at Christmas lights. We get pulled over because I have a brake light out and didn't know it. We've looked like a cropduster for the past hour with smoke pouring from the windows. The cop asks my girl if "she's been imbibing." She says no and tells him which hospital she works at, and they know some common people in the ER. The cop says, "well just get that brake light fixed, and tell ya, that smells like some pretty good stuff." I f*cking love Colorado.

/CSB

But seriously, Colorado sucks. Don't move here.


Colorado Rules! I've lived here on and off for the last 34 years. Every time I move away, I get to missing it (and I have no idea which direction is West), and move back.

Truth is, I live in a freaking postcard picture, and all y'all spend thousands of dollars to come take pictures in my backyard. I'm all for that, keep on coming, we'd love to have you come visit! Anyitme you want to live the High Life, swing on by.

/we even have gambling to go with your weed!
 
2013-01-24 10:51:17 AM  
I don't think smoking any amount of pot should be allowed before driving. Not because I'm anti weed or I don't think some folks are perfectly fine behind the wheel after toking (some people are BETTER after a couple toots) but because the way people react to it is WILDLY varied. I for one turn into a complete mess with even the slightest bit of a pot buzz. I lose all confidence and get super jittery. I think it might be a mild allergy or just how my brain is wired. I've also known a lot of people over the years who can't handle their smoke at all. At least with booze the results are a little more consistent and predictable.

The only thing I can think of to work around issues like this is to ban any amount of pot in the system then have tokers who drive pass a special skill test where they get stoned before hand. Then based on the results determine what amount they are able to handle.

The driving while stoned thing is one of the stickier problems with legalization.

get it? stickier?

lol I slay me...
 
2013-01-24 10:54:57 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Plus this way, we can lock up more freedom loving Americans! I can't think of a better way to make American freedom even more popular than locking up more Americans, can you?


By legalizing pot? I don't get it.
 
2013-01-24 10:55:04 AM  
Are they going to add "running through a forest" to the roadside intoxication test?
 
2013-01-24 10:55:46 AM  
Was the Aurora shooter a marijuana smoker?
 
2013-01-24 10:56:20 AM  

here to help: I don't think smoking any amount of pot should be allowed before driving. Not because I'm anti weed or I don't think some folks are perfectly fine behind the wheel after toking (some people are BETTER after a couple toots) but because the way people react to it is WILDLY varied. I for one turn into a complete mess with even the slightest bit of a pot buzz. I lose all confidence and get super jittery. I think it might be a mild allergy or just how my brain is wired. I've also known a lot of people over the years who can't handle their smoke at all. At least with booze the results are a little more consistent and predictable.

The only thing I can think of to work around issues like this is to ban any amount of pot in the system then have tokers who drive pass a special skill test where they get stoned before hand. Then based on the results determine what amount they are able to handle.

The driving while stoned thing is one of the stickier problems with legalization.

get it? stickier?

lol I slay me...


You just need to start smoking it three or four or five times a day, and you'll feel much better. After awhile you won't even notice that you're high any more.
 
2013-01-24 10:57:12 AM  

Odd Bird: Why does it suck?


It doesn't suck. It's great, and I moved here in '96. I'm as much of a transplant asshole as anyone.
 
2013-01-24 10:58:16 AM  

garumph: Until people understand what the test is don't sound like ignorant assholes


So...as to the first half of this, why don't you explain it perfesser . For example, where are the numerous studies demonstrating that this quantity of presence in a sufficiently large number of subjects reliably indicates a strong likelihood of impairment rising above the level of typical impairments (cellphone/text use, kids, age, eating, smoking, fatigue) that we "tolerate" or at least perforce can not readily "prove"?

As to the second, pot to kettle...
 
2013-01-24 10:58:17 AM  

Dr Dreidel: Marcus Aurelius: Plus this way, we can lock up more freedom loving Americans! I can't think of a better way to make American freedom even more popular than locking up more Americans, can you?

By legalizing pot? I don't get it.


Legalize the pot, but criminalize the driving. No one gets locked up for possession of less than an ounce any more unless they're on probation. Impaired driving, on the other hand, could introduce millions of new customers to the criminal justice system. Just think of all the lawyers and criminal justice workers we'll need to hire.
 
2013-01-24 10:58:27 AM  

spentmiles: Marijuana, by definition, induces psychotic and unpredictable behavior in its users


Psychotic maybe, but not especially unpredictable.
 
2013-01-24 10:58:51 AM  
spentmiles 2013-01-24 10:20:36 AM


Isn't there a law that allows you to commit a person for 72 hours of observation if they're exhibiting signs of psychosis? Marijuana, by definition, induces psychotic and unpredictable behavior in its users. If the police even suspect a driver is under the influence, then I'd think that 72 hours would be the absolute minimum they should be held. It's like when you get bitten by a dog - they have to keep the dog under observation to see if it has rabies. I'd feel safer knowing that these drug users are at least off the street for a few days while their highs wear off.

You sound drunk.

/and fat.
 
2013-01-24 11:00:01 AM  

The Angry Hand of God: Supporters of the introduction of tighter sanctions have pointed to evidence from 2011 revealing that 13 per cent of fatal crashes in the state involved the drug.

Oh, really? Just a guess, but I think this actually means they found marijuana that may have been smoked at some point in the past 30 days in their system.


I would like to know how many accidents involved ONLY the drug. I have the suspicion that if I pounded a fifth of Jim Bean and took one toke of a joint then got in a car accident, it would be classified as a drug related accident(rightly so) but should not be used as evidence that the drug was the sole factor that caused the accident.
 
2013-01-24 11:00:28 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: here to help: I don't think smoking any amount of pot should be allowed before driving. Not because I'm anti weed or I don't think some folks are perfectly fine behind the wheel after toking (some people are BETTER after a couple toots) but because the way people react to it is WILDLY varied. I for one turn into a complete mess with even the slightest bit of a pot buzz. I lose all confidence and get super jittery. I think it might be a mild allergy or just how my brain is wired. I've also known a lot of people over the years who can't handle their smoke at all. At least with booze the results are a little more consistent and predictable.

The only thing I can think of to work around issues like this is to ban any amount of pot in the system then have tokers who drive pass a special skill test where they get stoned before hand. Then based on the results determine what amount they are able to handle.

The driving while stoned thing is one of the stickier problems with legalization.

get it? stickier?

lol I slay me...

You just need to start smoking it three or four or five times a day, and you'll feel much better. After awhile you won't even notice that you're high any more.


I'd like the SSRI and Xanax users off the road and locked up.
 
2013-01-24 11:00:36 AM  

Mr_Fabulous: spentmiles: Marijuana, by definition, induces psychotic and unpredictable behavior in its users.

You believe that the definition of "marijuana" is 'that which induces psychosis'?

Were you dropped on your head or something?


He's high. Give him a break until the psychosis wears off
 
2013-01-24 11:02:11 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: I'd like the SSRI and Xanax users off the road and locked up.


Those drugs are protected by the pharmaceutical lobby, so good luck with that.
 
2013-01-24 11:03:23 AM  

NallTWD: Not to mention nullification of a federal law doesn't fly.


www.mainedaytrips.com

Maybe not where you live.
 
2013-01-24 11:03:29 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Dr Dreidel: Marcus Aurelius: Plus this way, we can lock up more freedom loving Americans! I can't think of a better way to make American freedom even more popular than locking up more Americans, can you?

By legalizing pot? I don't get it.

Legalize the pot, but criminalize the driving. No one gets locked up for possession of less than an ounce any more unless they're on probation. Impaired driving, on the other hand, could introduce millions of new customers to the criminal justice system. Just think of all the lawyers and criminal justice workers we'll need to hire.


My implication being that the number of people arrested/jailed for possessing pot before CO voted last November is far greater than the number who will be arrested/jailed for DUI(M).

I mean, yeah - it sucks that the way they're going to implement testing it sucks all kinds of ass, but impaired driving is certainly something to do something about.
 
2013-01-24 11:04:00 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: You just need to start smoking it three or four or five times a day, and you'll feel much better. After awhile you won't even notice that you're high any more.


lol... I used to be able to when I was young skeezeball. Something changed. Not sure what. The brain is a very strange gizmo. Sure has saved me a LOT of freaking money over the years though... which I can now waste on tasty tasty beer. ;-)
 
2013-01-24 11:09:47 AM  

spentmiles: Isn't there a law that allows you to commit a person for 72 hours of observation if they're exhibiting signs of psychosis? Marijuana, by definition, induces psychotic and unpredictable behavior in its users. If the police even suspect a driver is under the influence, then I'd think that 72 hours would be the absolute minimum they should be held. It's like when you get bitten by a dog - they have to keep the dog under observation to see if it has rabies. I'd feel safer knowing that these drug users are at least off the street for a few days while their highs wear off.


10/10

You should be getting some really good bites with this one.
 
2013-01-24 11:11:56 AM  

here to help: I used to be able to when I was young skeezeball. Something changed. Not sure what. The brain is a very strange gizmo


Same thing happened to me. I just lost my mojo for it one day.*

* golf course exemption remains in place
 
2013-01-24 11:13:08 AM  
scrapetv.com
 
2013-01-24 11:15:01 AM  
These idiots who project a significant jump in cannabis users need to pull their heads out of their asses. Everyone who wants to smoke pot already does. Nobody was sitting on their hands until cannabis legislation finally rolled into their state to liberate them at last. "Now we can burn cannabis without incurring a $100 citation that wouldnt even have showed up on our criminal records in many states!"


Fun fact: drug prohibition actually creates more users. Portugal decriminalized all drug use over a decade ago, and drug use fell by half. They put money into helping addicts instead of locking them in holes like animals, and my goodness people actually started to get better. Imagine if we could take half the tweakers/crackhead/heroin junkie population and turn them into productive citizens in one fell swoop. Its possible here too, we just have to get over the alarmist ZOMG DRUGS1! mindset as a society.

If you still support cannabis prohibition, youre either an old fogey or a sister-banging fundie. Neither of these constituencies deserves a significant hand in voting on this issue, you are just too out of touch.

Also, the average pothead drives fine on his scheduled dose, way better than comparable use on alcohol. They also wont become violent or belligerent, slur, swerve all over the roads, beat their wives when they get home, pass out in their own piss or vomit, etc. A new user may be overwhelmed by cannabis, but regular pot smokers function just fine after a hit of weed.
 
2013-01-24 11:15:47 AM  
This is the big challenge for marijuana legalization (which I support).  THC may be in the system long after the high, so determining the level of THC that would indicate impairment is a challenge.  Seems to me that lawmakers are just throwing numbers at a dartboard rather than having any scientific evidence as to impairment levels.  If it ultimately falls back on law enforcement to determine impairment levels based on observations, it's likely going to be abused by some cops.
 
2013-01-24 11:16:10 AM  

spentmiles: Isn't there a law that allows you to commit a person for 72 hours of observation if they're exhibiting signs of psychosis? Marijuana, by definition, induces psychotic and unpredictable behavior in its users. If the police even suspect a driver is under the influence, then I'd think that 72 hours would be the absolute minimum they should be held. It's like when you get bitten by a dog - they have to keep the dog under observation to see if it has rabies. I'd feel safer knowing that these drug users are at least off the street for a few days while their highs wear off.


Well, I thought the only way to really check for rabies was to crack it's skull open and check the brains. We should do the same for those deviant pot users. Crack a few stoner skulls open, and maybe the rest of those welfare spending deadbeats will get the message that we don't tolerate that devil drug. This is Amurica for God's sake. We don't want children raping pot-addicts here who overdose and cost tax payers money when a hospital has to try and save their worthless life.
 
2013-01-24 11:16:19 AM  

spentmiles: Isn't there a law that allows you to commit a person for 72 hours of observation if they're exhibiting signs of psychosis? Marijuana, by definition, induces psychotic and unpredictable behavior in its users. If the police even suspect a driver is under the influence, then I'd think that 72 hours would be the absolute minimum they should be held. It's like when you get bitten by a dog - they have to keep the dog under observation to see if it has rabies. I'd feel safer knowing that these drug users are at least off the street for a few days while their highs wear off.


I live with my mom could you be ANY more obvious?
 
2013-01-24 11:17:29 AM  

Dr Dreidel: Marcus Aurelius: Dr Dreidel: Marcus Aurelius: Plus this way, we can lock up more freedom loving Americans! I can't think of a better way to make American freedom even more popular than locking up more Americans, can you?

By legalizing pot? I don't get it.

Legalize the pot, but criminalize the driving. No one gets locked up for possession of less than an ounce any more unless they're on probation. Impaired driving, on the other hand, could introduce millions of new customers to the criminal justice system. Just think of all the lawyers and criminal justice workers we'll need to hire.

My implication being that the number of people arrested/jailed for possessing pot before CO voted last November is far greater than the number who will be arrested/jailed for DUI(M).

I mean, yeah - it sucks that the way they're going to implement testing it sucks all kinds of ass, but impaired driving is certainly something to do something about.


In most states, pot possession is a misdemeanor that can be pled down to disorderly conduct. The punishments are getting less and less harsh with each passing year. And with outright legalization, all those possession charges go out the window. We have to replace those missing criminals somehow. And a set of harsh, badly thought out impaired driving laws is just the ticket.
 
2013-01-24 11:19:24 AM  

Mr_Fabulous: spentmiles: Marijuana, by definition, induces psychotic and unpredictable behavior in its users.

You believe that the definition of "marijuana" is 'that which induces psychosis'?

Were you dropped on your head or something?


You must be new here...
 
2013-01-24 11:20:37 AM  

People in this thread seem to want to attack my point of view, but this is why I feel this way:

How Marijuana Ruined My Life
by spentmiles



This past fall, while I was working at a call center in Colorado, one of my co-workers asked me to come to a party at his house. I didn't know if I wanted to go, but he said we'd play games and watch movies. That sounded fun, so I told him that I would go.

When I got there, the music was loud and people were drinking alcohol, which made me nervous. My father drank and used to beat us with a pipe when he was drunk.

I was turning to leave when I saw two men in the living room smoking marijuana. I froze in place, not sure what to do. Then one of the men held out the marijuana and asked me if I wanted to try it. I kicked him in the groin as hard as I could and then, scared the other man would attack me, I ran out of the house as fast as I could.

I went directly to the police and told them about the men who were smoking the drugs. They didn't seem to care until I told them that I'd managed to kick one of them. They arrested me for assault. They went out and found the guy whom I'd kicked and he wanted to press charges. I sat in jail for weeks, lost my job and my apartment.

I was then convicted in criminal court and had to serve an additional 90 days in the maximum security wing because I was a violent offender. In custody, I was raped repeatedly by my cell mate and his endless gang of thugs. I tried to kill myself by hanging, but I failed, leaving horrible scars on my neck.

The man I kicked sued me in civil court and won. He took my car and my savings and they put a garnish on my future wages. He probably used the money to buy more drugs.

If I'd only ran the moment I saw the marijuana, I would still have my life. It can ruin you and you don't even have to smoke it. Stay away please.
 
2013-01-24 11:21:18 AM  

gweilo8888: spentmiles: Isn't there a law that allows you to commit a person for 72 hours of observation if they're exhibiting signs of psychosis? Marijuana, by definition, induces psychotic and unpredictable behavior in its users. If the police even suspect a driver is under the influence, then I'd think that 72 hours would be the absolute minimum they should be held. It's like when you get bitten by a dog - they have to keep the dog under observation to see if it has rabies. I'd feel safer knowing that these drug users are at least off the street for a few days while their highs wear off.

I live with my mom could you be ANY more obvious?


media.tumblr.com

/i feel safer
 
2013-01-24 11:21:48 AM  

markie_farkie: Mateorocks: A British article about driving regulations in Colorado?

WHAT COULD THEY KNOW, THEY DRIVE ON THE WRONG FARKING SIDE OF THE ROAD FER CHRISSAKE!!!


And so do pot-heads. Coincidence?
 
2013-01-24 11:27:16 AM  

Urmuf Hamer: garumph: Until people understand what the test is don't sound like ignorant assholes

So...as to the first half of this, why don't you explain it perfesser . For example, where are the numerous studies demonstrating that this quantity of presence in a sufficiently large number of subjects reliably indicates a strong likelihood of impairment rising above the level of typical impairments (cellphone/text use, kids, age, eating, smoking, fatigue) that we "tolerate" or at least perforce can not readily "prove"?

As to the second, pot to kettle...


We are pretty much arguing the same point but from a different angle. My point is that the folks that think the urine test that they use for employment is the one the cops are going to use. It isn't. They measure the amount of active THC in the blood stream. It decays pretty quickly for most smokers. You are down under 5ng after an hour or two. If you eat it, it can be a lot longer. Folks need to understand what the test is to be able to make an intelligent argument.

Is that number at all accurate at all for determining impairment? You don't think so at all, I'm not so sure. The studies are basically non-existant. One of my biggest arguments to legalize it in Washington state is so that we can actually get some studies to determine how to determine impairment.

I happen to espouse the belief that we should make the laws more restrictive then relax them as oppose to your view that we should kill more people then restrict it. I'm sure you will love the Target Zero initiative in Washington State.
 
2013-01-24 11:28:20 AM  

Snapper Carr: The Angry Hand of God: Supporters of the introduction of tighter sanctions have pointed to evidence from 2011 revealing that 13 per cent of fatal crashes in the state involved the drug.

Oh, really? Just a guess, but I think this actually means they found marijuana that may have been smoked at some point in the past 30 days in their system.

You're likely correct. It's the same sort of statistic that MADD publishes when they say 36% of all traffic fatalities were alcohol-related - what they don't tell you is they reached that figure by determining whether anyone involved in the accidents, driving or otherwise, had an elevated blood alcohol level - guy in the backseat had a shot and a couple of beers 3 hours prior to the accident? It's alcohol related.


CSB:  I was once DD for some friends.  Once of the guys in the back seat decided to lean forward and grab the steering wheel.  He yelled, "Go left!" and he forced the car into on-coming traffic.  We got lucky we didn't hit anyone.  I never let him in my car again.
 
2013-01-24 11:30:27 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: In most states, pot possession is a misdemeanor that can be pled down to disorderly conduct. The punishments are getting less and less harsh with each passing year. And with outright legalization, all those possession charges go out the window. We have to replace those missing criminals somehow. And a set of harsh, badly thought out impaired driving laws is just the ticket.


And it would be so easy to put a little thought into it such that: a) impaired driving due to weed would be punishable, same as DUI (which is a good thing, don't you think?); and b) the test actually measured impairment.

// believe me, I know all about misdemeanor possession
 
2013-01-24 11:32:19 AM  
FTA: "Supporters of the introduction of tighter sanctions have pointed to evidence from 2011 revealing that 13 per cent of fatal crashes in the state involved the drug."


I wonder how many of these fatal crashes "involved" alcohol, prescription meds and other intoxicants, and how many "involved" marijuana alone?

/Bet they didn't bother to differentiate
 
2013-01-24 11:32:46 AM  

MythDragon: Mr_Fabulous: spentmiles: Marijuana, by definition, induces psychotic and unpredictable behavior in its users.

You believe that the definition of "marijuana" is 'that which induces psychosis'?

Were you dropped on your head or something?

You must be new here...



I already grumbled and harrumphed in embarrassed disgust; what more do you want from me?
 
2013-01-24 11:33:29 AM  

spentmiles: People in this thread seem to want to attack my point of view, but this is why I feel this way:

How Marijuana Ruined My Life
by spentmiles

This past fall, while I was working at a call center in Colorado, one of my co-workers asked me to come to a party at his house. I didn't know if I wanted to go, but he said we'd play games and watch movies. That sounded fun, so I told him that I would go.

When I got there, the music was loud and people were drinking alcohol, which made me nervous. My father drank and used to beat us with a pipe when he was drunk.

I was turning to leave when I saw two men in the living room smoking marijuana. I froze in place, not sure what to do. Then one of the men held out the marijuana and asked me if I wanted to try it. I kicked him in the groin as hard as I could and then, scared the other man would attack me, I ran out of the house as fast as I could.

I went directly to the police and told them about the men who were smoking the drugs. They didn't seem to care until I told them that I'd managed to kick one of them. They arrested me for assault. They went out and found the guy whom I'd kicked and he wanted to press charges. I sat in jail for weeks, lost my job and my apartment.

I was then convicted in criminal court and had to serve an additional 90 days in the maximum security wing because I was a violent offender. In custody, I was raped repeatedly by my cell mate and his endless gang of thugs. I tried to kill myself by hanging, but I failed, leaving horrible scars on my neck.

The man I kicked sued me in civil court and won. He took my car and my savings and they put a garnish on my future wages. He probably used the money to buy more drugs.

If I'd only ran the moment I saw the marijuana, I would still have my life. It can ruin you and you don't even have to smoke it. Stay away please.


If your story saves even ONE youth from a lifetime of weed addiction, then all that prison rape will have been worth it!
 
2013-01-24 11:33:37 AM  

spentmiles: People in this thread seem to want to attack my point of view, but this is why I feel this way:

How Marijuana Ruined My Life
by spentmiles

This past fall, while I was working at a call center in Colorado, one of my co-workers asked me to come to a party at his house. I didn't know if I wanted to go, but he said we'd play games and watch movies. That sounded fun, so I told him that I would go.

When I got there, the music was loud and people were drinking alcohol, which made me nervous. My father drank and used to beat us with a pipe when he was drunk.

I was turning to leave when I saw two men in the living room smoking marijuana. I froze in place, not sure what to do. Then one of the men held out the marijuana and asked me if I wanted to try it. I kicked him in the groin as hard as I could and then, scared the other man would attack me, I ran out of the house as fast as I could.

I went directly to the police and told them about the men who were smoking the drugs. They didn't seem to care until I told them that I'd managed to kick one of them. They arrested me for assault. They went out and found the guy whom I'd kicked and he wanted to press charges. I sat in jail for weeks, lost my job and my apartment.

I was then convicted in criminal court and had to serve an additional 90 days in the maximum security wing because I was a violent offender. In custody, I was raped repeatedly by my cell mate and his endless gang of thugs. I tried to kill myself by hanging, but I failed, leaving horrible scars on my neck.

The man I kicked sued me in civil court and won. He took my car and my savings and they put a garnish on my future wages. He probably used the money to buy more drugs.

If I'd only ran the moment I saw the marijuana, I would still have my life. It can ruin you and you don't even have to smoke it. Stay away please.


Oh, you.

Fav'd.
 
2013-01-24 11:34:16 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: gweilo8888: spentmiles: Isn't there a law that allows you to commit a person for 72 hours of observation if they're exhibiting signs of psychosis? Marijuana, by definition, induces psychotic and unpredictable behavior in its users. If the police even suspect a driver is under the influence, then I'd think that 72 hours would be the absolute minimum they should be held. It's like when you get bitten by a dog - they have to keep the dog under observation to see if it has rabies. I'd feel safer knowing that these drug users are at least off the street for a few days while their highs wear off.

I live with my mom could you be ANY more obvious?

[media.tumblr.com image 311x311]

/i feel safer


What part of "I live with my mom could you be ANY more obvious?" did you not understand, Sparky?

/I've been here about a year longer than you have
 
2013-01-24 11:36:09 AM  
Hogwash.

Cannibis does not impair motor coordination, that has been proven in the laboratory many times.
 
2013-01-24 11:38:03 AM  

olddinosaur: Hogwash.

Cannibis does not impair motor coordination, that has been proven in the laboratory many times.


Evidence?

/Seriously, I'd love to see some peer-reviewed articles
//Driving while impaired should only be given when someone is actually impaired
 
2013-01-24 11:39:44 AM  
I drive high to and from work pretty much every day. No accidents in the past 6-7 years.
 
2013-01-24 11:40:46 AM  

macadamnut: NallTWD: Not to mention nullification of a federal law doesn't fly.

[www.mainedaytrips.com image 637x478]

Maybe not where you live.


So you are saying that when people feel strongly enough about something, believing it to be constitutionally or morally wrong, they will defy Federal law? Has Diane Feinstein been briefed on this?
 
2013-01-24 11:48:15 AM  

The Angry Hand of God: Supporters of the introduction of tighter sanctions have pointed to evidence from 2011 revealing that 13 per cent of fatal crashes in the state involved the drug.

Oh, really? Just a guess, but I think this actually means they found marijuana that may have been smoked at some point in the past 30 days in their system.


The NHTSA did a fairly comprehensive set of driving tests years ago with marijuana, alcohol, a mixture of the two, and a non-intoxicated baseline. Marijuana had a fairly static negative effect on reaction times and a large negative effect on lane drift(more than alcohol) regardless of level of intoxication, while alcohol scaled based on intoxication level. Combined, the effects were magnified.

So, yea, marijuana has an immediate effect on driving. Now who knows if their test measures current intoxication, but that's a different story
 
2013-01-24 11:48:22 AM  

Dr Dreidel: Marcus Aurelius: In most states, pot possession is a misdemeanor that can be pled down to disorderly conduct. The punishments are getting less and less harsh with each passing year. And with outright legalization, all those possession charges go out the window. We have to replace those missing criminals somehow. And a set of harsh, badly thought out impaired driving laws is just the ticket.

And it would be so easy to put a little thought into it such that: a) impaired driving due to weed would be punishable, same as DUI (which is a good thing, don't you think?); and b) the test actually measured impairment.

// believe me, I know all about misdemeanor possession


Whatever. As long as cops get to pull people over and draw blood. That would be so cool.
 
2013-01-24 11:50:09 AM  
Yay, fill up the jails and have more traffic fatalities.  Legalizing marijuana is a great idea.  Look how well it went with alcohol.


If you need pot to get through life, you really have issues.
 
2013-01-24 11:50:32 AM  

spentmiles: People in this thread seem to want to attack my point of view, but this is why I feel this way:

How Marijuana Ruined My Life
by spentmiles

This past fall, while I was working at a call center in Colorado, one of my co-workers asked me to come to a party at his house. I didn't know if I wanted to go, but he said we'd play games and watch movies. That sounded fun, so I told him that I would go.

When I got there, the music was loud and people were drinking alcohol, which made me nervous. My father drank and used to beat us with a pipe when he was drunk.

I was turning to leave when I saw two men in the living room smoking marijuana. I froze in place, not sure what to do. Then one of the men held out the marijuana and asked me if I wanted to try it. I kicked him in the groin as hard as I could and then, scared the other man would attack me, I ran out of the house as fast as I could.

I went directly to the police and told them about the men who were smoking the drugs. They didn't seem to care until I told them that I'd managed to kick one of them. They arrested me for assault. They went out and found the guy whom I'd kicked and he wanted to press charges. I sat in jail for weeks, lost my job and my apartment.

I was then convicted in criminal court and had to serve an additional 90 days in the maximum security wing because I was a violent offender. In custody, I was raped repeatedly by my cell mate and his endless gang of thugs. I tried to kill myself by hanging, but I failed, leaving horrible scars on my neck.

The man I kicked sued me in civil court and won. He took my car and my savings and they put a garnish on my future wages. He probably used the money to buy more drugs.

If I'd only ran the moment I saw the marijuana, I would still have my life. It can ruin you and you don't even have to smoke it. Stay away please.


EPIC
 
2013-01-24 11:50:34 AM  
Oh look, it's the same limit that was set for WA state.

And for those who are still being willfully ignorant about what this means, studies were conducted on chronic smokers that showed they only got close to the limit immediately after smoking. None of this "I smoked on Friday and got pulled over and ticketed on Monday" bullshiat that people are clutching their pearls about is going to happen.
 
2013-01-24 11:55:28 AM  

spentmiles: beautiful words.


I love you.
 
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