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2013-01-24 09:17:33 AM
4 votes:
Here's how you fix the Terminator franchise:

First, let's pretend Salvation is not canon so we don't have to follow it up. It wasn't a bad movie, it was just a stupid story.

Fans of the Terminator franchise have been wanting to see a full-length feature film based on the gritty, nightmarish future scenes of the first film for 25 and what did Salvation do? Not an out and out military struggle under the cover of night against uncompromising machines intent on wiping out all humanity, but a sunny daylight soap opera jaunt by a confused android looking for his place in the world. The machine who learns to love humanity. The machine who doesn't know he's a machine. As if we didn't get enough of this "are they human?" tripe from BSG, now we have cylons in the farking Terminator Universe.

And the way it played out was dumb, hokey, cliched, and obvious, and an insult to the intelligence of any Sci-Fi fan. If I wanted introspective replicant bullshiat, I'd go watch Bladerunner.

fark you, McG.

Okay, so next film is a WAR FILM. A REAL gritty war film, with Private Ryan/Band of Brothers direction and cinematography. Set in the future that we are familiar with: Colonies of human stragglers gasping for survival, night raids, big hulking HKs, and phase plasma rifles in the 40 watt range. Straight forward plot about a campaign/mission (either led by John Connor, or ordered by him) to infiltrate a T-800 factory and priority 1: Capture it, cut it off from skynet and reprogram its hardware for the war effort and if that's not possible, priority 2: Destroy it, thereby eliminating any presence of Skynet in the area and earning the humans a little piece of real estate to rebuild their civilization (for awhile). That's it. No wishy washy bullshiat, no human interest drama, no more "machines trying to understand humanity", and no human personifications of skynet. It's a computer, it has mathematically calculated humanity's termination -- it does not require a rosy rationale for its decision.

Now, someone dig up the corpse of Steven Ambrose and let's make this happen.
2013-01-24 09:02:13 AM
3 votes:
Don't be silly, that would require them to have made a 3 and a 4.
2013-01-24 08:49:17 AM
3 votes:

Elvis_Bogart: OK...if you're going to do this then DO IT RIGHT!  Spend some money and time on the goddamn script!  Make it a decent Sci-Fi story and not a CGI catch-phrase festival.

Don't fugg this up!


Do you like having hope just to see it dashed against the wall? You strike me as a possible masochist.
2013-01-24 10:51:04 AM
2 votes:
I'd much rather see Arnie do Conan 3 than Terminator 5.
2013-01-24 09:58:01 AM
2 votes:

Ishkur: What, when Reese said


No, when Reese explained that only living tissue could travel back through time. Which was why he not only arrived naked but also had no effective weapons with which to fight the terminator. Because, hey, if he'd been able to bring back real weapons, that would have been a pretty boring movie, right? Lie in ambush, wait for the terminator to appear, ZAM! Ray gun, arnold's disintegrated. They even spent time explaining why the Terminator was able to go back...because, yes, he was a machine, but he was encased in living flesh. Which means that Reese could have brought back weapons if they'd been inserted into him, but whatever.

But then what do they go and send through time in Terminator 2? A farking robot made of liquid metal. Liquid farking metal. Yeah.
2013-01-24 09:12:02 AM
2 votes:

Pocket Ninja: I have carefully constructed a mental world in which there is only one Terminator movie, the first one, and all of the others never happened.


Oh come on. I liked Terminator 2.
2013-01-24 12:58:00 PM
1 votes:

The Larch: I mean, we're not talking about Matrix: The Quickening.


There were no Matrix sequels, silly.
2013-01-24 11:33:25 AM
1 votes:
GAT_00: Seriously, it was pretty good.  It got stupid after that

It got pretty stupid when they started playing "Bad to the Bone" when the T-800 walked out of a bar in biker gear. And when the cops asked Sarah Connor where Arnold was, even though he was identified by the cops in the first movie as a serial killer who liked to kill women named "Sarah Connor". And when a T-800 became a surrogate father figure who said things like "Hasta la vista, baby", "I need a vacation", and "Now I know why you cry". If this isn't silly to you, then you shouldn't be complaining about T3 and T4.
2013-01-24 11:29:22 AM
1 votes:
Summer Glau hasn't got old. Sarah Connor Chronicles movie please? Pretty please?
2013-01-24 11:25:10 AM
1 votes:
We've divided by 'Hipster Zero' here folks. Terminator 2 is out of favour now!? What's next? Raiders of the Lost Ark? Gremlins? Predator? I swear if I hear a bad word about Goonies, it's go time hipsters!
2013-01-24 11:24:41 AM
1 votes:

NickelP: Anyways the biggest plot hole of the entire franchise is how the hell the terminator was designed off the remains of the one sent back in time.  They definitely divided by 0 on that one.


Well that is like complaining about how John Connor fights the machines and sends back Reese to be his own father in the past. SkyNet could have be created without the technology from the terminator in a first run through of that time period, design the terminator, send it back and now you have that knowledge which makes changes to SkyNet (relative to the first cycle) that makes SkyNet's takeover and genocide easier/faster.

Equally you can see a series of time loops where someone other than John Connor (who wouldn't exist before the time machine is used) manages to take over the time machine facility and send Reese back into the past to try to stop SkyNet before it is created, where he meets up with Sarah Connor, gives her knowledge so she can plan for the future, and indeed they have a kid together that is trained before Skynet even exists to be able to fight against it and know its plans, methods and weapons even before they have been developed, which means now John Connor is the leader that takes over the time machine and then sends Reese back, etc. Or there could be hundreds of cycles slowly changing the course of events in the affected time window and afterwards that might never stabilize to a "final" reality as every run through is different because it ends up with different things happening in the lead up to the time travel which then affects who goes through, or what they are like, or what their goals are, or what date/time they go back to, etc. The paradox would then only be what happens if events change enough so the time machine is never created by SkyNet in the first place (because it is defeated too quickly maybe).
2013-01-24 11:14:12 AM
1 votes:
Stuff I'd like to see in a new movie or maybe they clarify better:

-The T1000 was the first terminator to go back in time. Skynet knew more details about John Connors whereabouts in the 1990s than it did about Sarah's in the 1980s. So it first sent it's one and only T1000 back in time to the 1990s to kill John Connor because logically it would have a greater chance of killing him. The T800 because it was an inferior model to the T1000 was sent to the 1980s and the details of Sarah's life at that time aren't that well known to Skynet.

-Arnold/T800 had other missions other than to kill Sara Connor. He was to set certain things in motion: he mets a genius computer science grad student and tells him about ideas and theories that later develop into Cyberdyne systems.

-More than Reese went back in time and other humans had their own missions just like in the Sarah Connor chronicles. There's a cut scene in the first Terminator that shows a second guy teleoporting back intime but he teleported into a brick wall or something. Supposedly they cut it because the guy had a spoiler line like, "It was you Reese...you're the one...save her!"

-Skynet has a core conscious and maybe realizes that eliminating all humans was a mistake

-Skynet downloaded itself into a T800, when back in time to live with humans and maybe tries to help humanity.

-Arnold is not just some special forces soldier that Skynet used as a model for the T800 but is an important person in John Connor's future. John mets the real life Arnold later in his life and this guy is important somehow to the defeat of Skynet.

Yeah, let's get back to teh gritty night scenes of humans fighting in the rubble of once great cities.
2013-01-24 11:11:57 AM
1 votes:

NickelP: Anyways the biggest plot hole of the entire franchise is how the hell the terminator was designed off the remains of the one sent back in time.  They definitely divided by 0 on that one.


The deleted scene from T3 - the only watchable scene from that movie - goes into great detail. A loudmouth Texan General (Arnie, with overdubbed voice) in a promotional video for SkyNet, starts talking up the new T-100s, designed, of course, to look like Texan General.

Then, when the project manager (or whoever) asks if they can change the voice modulator (something about "that stupid accent"), the computer geek sitting nearby answers in a husky Austrian tone: "Vhe cohn feeks eet."

// they cut it because they thought it made the movie "too silly"
// clearly, they weren't watching the same film as the rest of us
2013-01-24 10:29:23 AM
1 votes:

NickelP: Pocket Ninja: Ishkur: What, when Reese said

No, when Reese explained that only living tissue could travel back through time. Which was why he not only arrived naked but also had no effective weapons with which to fight the terminator. Because, hey, if he'd been able to bring back real weapons, that would have been a pretty boring movie, right? Lie in ambush, wait for the terminator to appear, ZAM! Ray gun, arnold's disintegrated. They even spent time explaining why the Terminator was able to go back...because, yes, he was a machine, but he was encased in living flesh. Which means that Reese could have brought back weapons if they'd been inserted into him, but whatever.

But then what do they go and send through time in Terminator 2? A farking robot made of liquid metal. Liquid farking metal. Yeah.

If we are going to get all nit picky they would of just sent the terminator back to the 1800's and let him squash john's great great great grandpa with his bare hands in some cabin in the woods somewhere.


Reese had a line about, "most of the records were destroyed in the war," and SkyNet could only narrow it down to a Sarah Connor living in L.A. They didn't even know her middle name, hence the T-800 being the "phonebook killer" in the first film.
2013-01-24 10:17:53 AM
1 votes:

NickelP: Pocket Ninja: Ishkur: What, when Reese said

No, when Reese explained that only living tissue could travel back through time. Which was why he not only arrived naked but also had no effective weapons with which to fight the terminator. Because, hey, if he'd been able to bring back real weapons, that would have been a pretty boring movie, right? Lie in ambush, wait for the terminator to appear, ZAM! Ray gun, arnold's disintegrated. They even spent time explaining why the Terminator was able to go back...because, yes, he was a machine, but he was encased in living flesh. Which means that Reese could have brought back weapons if they'd been inserted into him, but whatever.

But then what do they go and send through time in Terminator 2? A farking robot made of liquid metal. Liquid farking metal. Yeah.

If we are going to get all nit picky they would of just sent the terminator back to the 1800's and let him squash john's great great great grandpa with his bare hands in some cabin in the woods somewhere.


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If you've got a time machine, why don't you just go back and kill him when he's sitting on the crapper or something?
2013-01-24 10:08:43 AM
1 votes:

Pocket Ninja: No, when Reese explained that only living tissue could travel back through time. Which was why he not only arrived naked but also had no effective weapons with which to fight the terminator. Because, hey, if he'd been able to bring back real weapons, that would have been a pretty boring movie, right? Lie in ambush, wait for the terminator to appear, ZAM! Ray gun, arnold's disintegrated. They even spent time explaining why the Terminator was able to go back...because, yes, he was a machine, but he was encased in living flesh. Which means that Reese could have brought back weapons if they'd been inserted into him, but whatever.

But then what do they go and send through time in Terminator 2? A farking robot made of liquid metal. Liquid farking metal. Yeah.



Details are hazy on how exactly the time displacement equipment works, but given the massive amounts of static charge generated by the field at the destination point, I would imagine that it involves surrounding the object with intense electro-magnetic fields which, as we all know, is hazardous to circuitry and anything electronic and/or metal. So the only way a Terminator could go would be completely incased in something non-metallic. But then why no clothing, which EM fields would have no affect on either? ....not sure.

Reese is no scientist so doesn't know how it works ("I didn't built the thing"), so his summation that "nothing dead will go" might not be accurate. It's not that nothing dead will go, it's that nothing non-biological will go (after all, your hair and the surface area of your skin is technically dead). There are all sorts of ways around this plothole, it's not that aggravating.

Now, as for the T-1000: Well, since mimetic pollyalloy doesn't exist, it can be anything the plot wants it to be, and if it can mimic living tissue or do something to protect the T-1000 circuitry from the EM field then what's the issue?
2013-01-24 10:06:35 AM
1 votes:

Pocket Ninja: Ishkur: What, when Reese said

No, when Reese explained that only living tissue could travel back through time. Which was why he not only arrived naked but also had no effective weapons with which to fight the terminator. Because, hey, if he'd been able to bring back real weapons, that would have been a pretty boring movie, right? Lie in ambush, wait for the terminator to appear, ZAM! Ray gun, arnold's disintegrated. They even spent time explaining why the Terminator was able to go back...because, yes, he was a machine, but he was encased in living flesh. Which means that Reese could have brought back weapons if they'd been inserted into him, but whatever.

But then what do they go and send through time in Terminator 2? A farking robot made of liquid metal. Liquid farking metal. Yeah.


Because when it comes to time travel, there can be no further technological development.
2013-01-24 10:02:34 AM
1 votes:
As the Granpa5000 infiltration unit.
2013-01-24 10:01:26 AM
1 votes:

Ishkur: Pocket Ninja: Terminator 2's entire premise violated the one main rule that the story had set up in the first movie regarding time travel

What, when Reese said "I can't. Nobody goes home, nobody else comes through. It's just him and me."?

Not much of a plot hole. So they thought they destroyed the only time displacement equipment in existence. Skynet built another.


Perhaps it's that only living tissue, or metal surrounded by living tissue, could be sent through, and the T-1000 was made of "liquid metal". This could be back-rationalized by having the T-1000 come through with a living skin that is either shed or just absorbed. All you need is a coating of living material. But if that works, you could surgically plant advanced weapons inside a living organism, and just kill it.
2013-01-24 09:53:29 AM
1 votes:

Pocket Ninja: Terminator 2's entire premise violated the one main rule that the story had set up in the first movie regarding time travel


What, when Reese said "I can't. Nobody goes home, nobody else comes through. It's just him and me."?

Not much of a plot hole. So they thought they destroyed the only time displacement equipment in existence. Skynet built another.
2013-01-24 09:52:50 AM
1 votes:
I just want to hear them explain how a robot aged 25 years.
2013-01-24 09:47:46 AM
1 votes:
Terminator 2's entire premise violated the one main rule that the story had set up in the first movie regarding time travel. I can forgive a certain degree of laziness and shortcutting in a movie on the part of its writers, but past a certain point it becomes unacceptable.
2013-01-24 09:25:18 AM
1 votes:
So Pixar is going to handle all his scenes?
 
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