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2013-01-24 01:46:56 PM

Ishkur: Here's how you fix the Terminator franchise:

First, let's pretend Salvation is not canon so we don't have to follow it up. It wasn't a bad movie, it was just a stupid story.

Fans of the Terminator franchise have been wanting to see a full-length feature film based on the gritty, nightmarish future scenes of the first film for 25 and what did Salvation do? Not an out and out military struggle under the cover of night against uncompromising machines intent on wiping out all humanity, but a sunny daylight soap opera jaunt by a confused android looking for his place in the world. The machine who learns to love humanity. The machine who doesn't know he's a machine. As if we didn't get enough of this "are they human?" tripe from BSG, now we have cylons in the farking Terminator Universe.

And the way it played out was dumb, hokey, cliched, and obvious, and an insult to the intelligence of any Sci-Fi fan. If I wanted introspective replicant bullshiat, I'd go watch Bladerunner.

fark you, McG.

Okay, so next film is a WAR FILM. A REAL gritty war film, with Private Ryan/Band of Brothers direction and cinematography. Set in the future that we are familiar with: Colonies of human stragglers gasping for survival, night raids, big hulking HKs, and phase plasma rifles in the 40 watt range. Straight forward plot about a campaign/mission (either led by John Connor, or ordered by him) to infiltrate a T-800 factory and priority 1: Capture it, cut it off from skynet and reprogram its hardware for the war effort and if that's not possible, priority 2: Destroy it, thereby eliminating any presence of Skynet in the area and earning the humans a little piece of real estate to rebuild their civilization (for awhile). That's it. No wishy washy bullshiat, no human interest drama, no more "machines trying to understand humanity", and no human personifications of skynet. It's a computer, it has mathematically calculated humanity's termination -- it does not require a rosy rationale for its decision.

Now, someone dig up the corpse of Steven Ambrose and let's make this happen.


Winner.
 
2013-01-24 01:48:48 PM

dragonchild: You're missing Pocket Ninja's point. Entirely. The rationale for the "living tissue" rule is completely irrelevant. They could've made the rule some sort of scientifically consistent stroke of genius that would cause the ghost of Carl Sagan to come back as a blue glowy just to smile down upon Hollywood, or it could be some SMeyer-esque horseshiat that the time travelers sparkle in daylight or something. The author of a fictional story has 100% control over the rules of their world. That's fine. But whatever those rules turn out to be, you have to obey the rules you make, or at least provide a satisfying explanation for why the rule doesn't apply anymore. T2 did neither.


I always thought that the reason why only biological material could go back in time was a rule that Skynet built into its time machines as a way of determining which technologies go back in time and which could not. Thus, flesh-covered Terminators could go back to change the past, but human resistance fighters couldn't follow them with plasma rifles that could quickly destroy the Terminators. Regardless, you're right--T2 threw out many of the rules established in T1, thus making it a weak sequel.
 
2013-01-24 01:50:36 PM

carrion_luggage: [www.itusozluk.com image 540x732]

HATERS GONNA HATE


DAMMIT, LIEFELD!
 
2013-01-24 01:55:01 PM
I didn't even know it was possible to hate T2. I've learned something new today.
 
2013-01-24 01:57:37 PM
fark it, let's just make a movie combining all the time travelers.

We can have two sets of Bill and Ted, Doc Brown and Marty McFly, a couple of The Doctors, the Terminator, Bruce Willis from Thirteen Monkeys, Bruce Willis from Looper, and Kyle Reese.

And they all get stolen out of time and brought back by a mystery man to stop an insane H.G. Wells from destroying time-space in a fit of mad rage with his Time Machine.

And at the end of the movie, the mystery man turns out to be President Obama with his magic Time Machine.
 
2013-01-24 01:59:19 PM

Pocket Ninja: Ishkur: What, when Reese said

No, when Reese explained that only living tissue could travel back through time. Which was why he not only arrived naked but also had no effective weapons with which to fight the terminator. Because, hey, if he'd been able to bring back real weapons, that would have been a pretty boring movie, right? Lie in ambush, wait for the terminator to appear, ZAM! Ray gun, arnold's disintegrated. They even spent time explaining why the Terminator was able to go back...because, yes, he was a machine, but he was encased in living flesh. Which means that Reese could have brought back weapons if they'd been inserted into him, but whatever.

But then what do they go and send through time in Terminator 2? A farking robot made of liquid metal. Liquid farking metal. Yeah.


Doo to de events of Terminatah 1, specificlee the technology left beehind, 1980s scienteests had a jump staht on technologicahl developments that occurred naturally in de unahltered tymelyne. Dey where able to make a slightly newah and improoved time deesplacement system. Allowing liquid metal to travel back to de past to continue dere hunt for Sarah and John Connah.

/Ahnuld off
 
2013-01-24 02:02:20 PM

Jaws75: Actually, your posting of this dialog just proves my point. It would be like asking the survivor of a serial killer if she knows anything about the person who tried to kill her that the police can't figure out themselves. The police in this scene don't even bother to make the connection between the police massacre and her being in the police station at the time of the massacre--as if her being the target of the killer and the same killer killing cops are two completely different crimes. It's a horribly dumb scene, even by dumb movie cop standards. It also doesn't help that Dr. Silverman, the doctor who is treating Sarah in the loony bin, seems to forget that Sarah was stalked by a serial killer and that he was at the same police precinct that was massacred shortly after he left. Dumb, dumb, dumb.


You do know that police agencies don't accept the really smart people, right?

Look at it from their perspective (and remember that we come into that scene after they've already asked her stuff): There was a person killing people named "Sarah Conner" back then. The same person killed a bunch of cops, and then just disappears, as does Sarah.

From their perspective, since she disappeared immediately after the attack on the police station, along with the "serial killer", she might know who he is.

Later on, she shows up, all butched up and militarified, and attacks some random company. She gets put in a secure mental institution. Then the serial killer shows up again, and her son goes missing.

What else are they going to do?

They are essentially grasping at straws, hoping that perhaps some information she may have from when she was "missing" might possibly shed some light, or at least give them some faint leads to start checking. They might reasonably assume the guy in those pictures trained her: They both disappeared, and Reese was dead.
 
2013-01-24 02:06:38 PM

Elvis_Bogart: OK...if you're going to do this then DO IT RIGHT!  Spend some money and time on the goddamn script!  Make it a decent Sci-Fi story and not a CGI catch-phrase festival.

Don't fugg this up!


Okay, after Skynet has tried sending all manner of upgraded Terminators back into the past to rewrite John Conner out of history, they find themselves stumped by the T-800. So after decades of quantum computing, they finally devise an automaton that our hero just can't resist.

images.wikia.com


MEGAMAID!!
 
2013-01-24 02:07:39 PM

GungFu: Evil Mackerel: dittybopper: tricycleracer: Pocket Ninja: Which means that Reese could have brought back weapons if they'd been inserted into him, but whatever.

I always wondered why they didn't just cut open a human corpse, stuff a phased plasma rifle in the 40-Watt range into it, and send that back too.

*LIVING* tissue.

But nothing is stopping them from growing a living skin around such a weapon, and sending it back. User then strips the living tissue off.

Just shove the gun up a cows ass and send it back in time, you only need it for a one way trip anyway.


They only had rats in the future. I suppose a little rat-sized gun would be quite stinging though, especially if it hits the fleshy part of the arms or legs..


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2013-01-24 02:10:31 PM

dittybopper: They are essentially grasping at straws, hoping that perhaps some information she may have from when she was "missing" might possibly shed some light, or at least give them some faint leads to start checking. They might reasonably assume the guy in those pictures trained her: They both disappeared, and Reese was dead.


They're also being told Sarah Connor is a psycho, that she's losing touch with reality more and more every day (yes, Silberman says it at the end of that exchange, but it's highly likely - expected, even - that the cops'd have been briefed by Silberman on her condition beforehand). So that line of questioning may be more to establish that she has anything going on behind the eyes than to glean anything useful. If she'd been able to answer them, or at the least show that she was concerned for little Johnny, they'd press further. They couldn't even get past "Name, Rank, Serial Number".

The fact that they try and use her son to get her attention supports that hypothesis - she may not care about faceless cops with families, but a Mama Grizzly always protects her Cubs.
 
2013-01-24 02:10:52 PM
I heard that they are doing a Back to the Future 4, but the details are a little shaky......
 
2013-01-24 02:11:09 PM
So, nursing homes filled with deadly Terminators? And somehow senior citizen power defeats the future?
Or are the Terminators themselves old, and therefore easier to beat, like, you know, slow, mechanical zombies? But why would the future make those? Why?
 
2013-01-24 02:27:29 PM

rassleholic: carrion_luggage: [www.itusozluk.com image 540x732]

HATERS GONNA HATE

DAMMIT, LIEFELD!


I'm starting to think he is a mad genius, a poor man's Picasso, who teaches us the far boundaries of human anatomy that once were thought to exist only in his fevered brain.
 
2013-01-24 02:36:02 PM

dragonchild: burndtdan: 2) That rule was stupid, pointless, and made no sense.

You're missing Pocket Ninja's point. Entirely. The rationale for the "living tissue" rule is completely irrelevant. They could've made the rule some sort of scientifically consistent stroke of genius that would cause the ghost of Carl Sagan to come back as a blue glowy just to smile down upon Hollywood, or it could be some SMeyer-esque horseshiat that the time travelers sparkle in daylight or something. The author of a fictional story has 100% control over the rules of their world. That's fine. But whatever those rules turn out to be, you have to obey the rules you make, or at least provide a satisfying explanation for why the rule doesn't apply anymore. T2 did neither.


Given that they are using the exact same method for travelling, which isn't a given.
 
2013-01-24 02:46:28 PM

dragonchild: burndtdan: 2) That rule was stupid, pointless, and made no sense.

You're missing Pocket Ninja's point. Entirely. The rationale for the "living tissue" rule is completely irrelevant. They could've made the rule some sort of scientifically consistent stroke of genius that would cause the ghost of Carl Sagan to come back as a blue glowy just to smile down upon Hollywood, or it could be some SMeyer-esque horseshiat that the time travelers sparkle in daylight or something. The author of a fictional story has 100% control over the rules of their world. That's fine. But whatever those rules turn out to be, you have to obey the rules you make, or at least provide a satisfying explanation for why the rule doesn't apply anymore. T2 did neither.


Yep. Remember they even lampshade it in the original when Reese blurts "I don't know, I didn't build the farking thing." All he knows is that only meat goes through.it probably wouldn't have taken much effort to explain that less complicated metals can't go through, or they upgraded the process in the meantime, or maybe it screws with lesser circuitry. Who knows? What happens when you try to put a metal thing through the time machine? Nothing? It explodes? Sent to a parallel dimension?

As is, it's like when Beatrix Kiddo's daughter declares herself "pervious to bullets."
 
2013-01-24 02:48:18 PM

dittybopper: You do know that police agencies don't accept the really smart people, right?


And you do know that Hollywood doesn't always produce smart scripts, right?

Look at it from their perspective (and remember that we come into that scene after they've already asked her stuff): There was a person killing people named "Sarah Conner" back then. The same person killed a bunch of cops, and then just disappears, as does Sarah. From their perspective, since she disappeared immediately after the attack on the police station, along with the "serial killer", she might know who he is.

That REALLY is a dumb conclusion. He was trying to kill her and killed her roommate, her roommate's boyfriend, patrons in a nightclub AND an entire police precinct just to get to her; thus, even the dumbest of cops could figure out that she was hiding from her killer, not trying to figure out who her killer is. Also, she didn't disappear for long--she went to the hospital at the end of T1 for her injuries, remember?

Later on, she shows up, all butched up and militarified, and attacks some random company. She gets put in a secure mental institution. Then the serial killer shows up again, and her son goes missing. What else are they going to do? They are essentially grasping at straws, hoping that perhaps some information she may have from when she was "missing" might possibly shed some light, or at least give them some faint leads to start checking. They might reasonably assume the guy in those pictures trained her.

So the killer who tried so hard to kill Sarah--so hard that the cops knew that someone was trying to kill Sarah and it was reported in the evening news--would then train her to attack companies. That's a "reasonable" assumption in your opinion?

Face it: That scene was poorly scripted in a weak sequel. The cops weren't dumb; the scriptwriter was.
 
2013-01-24 03:00:42 PM

Decillion: Gremlins


Awful.

At least Gremlins 2 flat out embraced it's stupidity and made the thing a flat out comedy.

It also gave us this.

/"This is worse then the first one!"
//"We just SHOW these movies mad'am, we don't MAKE them"
 
2013-01-24 03:06:36 PM

Evil Mackerel: Just shove the gun up a cows ass


I'd rather take the butcher's word for it.
 
2013-01-24 03:16:20 PM

KingKauff: PirateKing: If he's in it, he should be the aging bodybuilder the terminators were modeled on. Not a terminator himself. He could be racked with guilt and living as a hermit because anyone who sees him freaks out in terror.

Also, plastic Arnold from Salvation was silly looking.

But they'll probably defeat Skynet by teaching it the power of Love or something.

The power of love is a curious thing


It makes one man weep.
 
2013-01-24 03:17:19 PM
The article made me think I was reading an attempt to describe a computer problem in a help desk ticket.
 
2013-01-24 03:19:47 PM

Jaws75: So the killer who tried so hard to kill Sarah--so hard that the cops knew that someone was trying to kill Sarah and it was reported in the evening news--would then train her to attack companies. That's a "reasonable" assumption in your opinion?


OK, let's look at the facts at the police know them:

1. Some guy was killing people named Sarah Connor.
2. The police find Sarah Connor and also capture some guy who kidnapper her.
3. Someone comes into the police station where Sarah and "Future Boy" Reese are held, and kills everyone inside, except for Connor and Reese who disappear.
4. Later, the police find Reese's body, but the man who attacked the station and Sarah Connor are both missing.
5. Years after, Sarah Connor turns up, and is no longer a mousy waitress, but a seriously dangerous woman.

Given just what the police know, they could spin a theory in which Reese was the serial killer and the person who attacked the police station was there to "rescue" Sarah from the police. They can't really check on who she was hanging out with, because both her room-mate and her mother are dead.

For all they know, Sarah Connor could have been another Caril Ann Fugate, and that guy in the pictures is her Charles Starkweather. This might even be supported by her obvious mental issues.

It would be an *INCORRECT* theory, of course, but it would be supported by some of the facts as they know them. At the very least, it's something to investigate.
 
2013-01-24 03:29:45 PM

NickelP: Pocket Ninja: Ishkur: What, when Reese said

No, when Reese explained that only living tissue could travel back through time. Which was why he not only arrived naked but also had no effective weapons with which to fight the terminator. Because, hey, if he'd been able to bring back real weapons, that would have been a pretty boring movie, right? Lie in ambush, wait for the terminator to appear, ZAM! Ray gun, arnold's disintegrated. They even spent time explaining why the Terminator was able to go back...because, yes, he was a machine, but he was encased in living flesh. Which means that Reese could have brought back weapons if they'd been inserted into him, but whatever.

But then what do they go and send through time in Terminator 2? A farking robot made of liquid metal. Liquid farking metal. Yeah.

If we are going to get all nit picky they would of just sent the terminator back to the 1800's and let him squash john's great great great grandpa with his bare hands in some cabin in the woods somewhere.


Suddenly I picture Sarah Connor trying to get Doc Brown to help her get back to the Future - that's sad!

\'Is the gravitational constant altered in the future?'
 
2013-01-24 03:30:26 PM

dittybopper: tricycleracer: Pocket Ninja: Which means that Reese could have brought back weapons if they'd been inserted into him, but whatever.

I always wondered why they didn't just cut open a human corpse, stuff a phased plasma rifle in the 40-Watt range into it, and send that back too.

*LIVING* tissue.

But nothing is stopping them from growing a living skin around such a weapon, and sending it back. User then strips the living tissue off.


There was a Terminator comic book that showed the machines force feeding human prisoners until they were grossly obese, then cutting out their fat cells and stuffing them full of guns and supplies into their now floppy skin-sack bodies.

They'd be sent through along with a Terminator, who would then immediately rip them apart and collect his gear.
 
2013-01-24 03:36:07 PM

GungFu: Evil Mackerel: dittybopper: tricycleracer: Pocket Ninja: Which means that Reese could have brought back weapons if they'd been inserted into him, but whatever.

I always wondered why they didn't just cut open a human corpse, stuff a phased plasma rifle in the 40-Watt range into it, and send that back too.

*LIVING* tissue.

But nothing is stopping them from growing a living skin around such a weapon, and sending it back. User then strips the living tissue off.

Just shove the gun up a cows ass and send it back in time, you only need it for a one way trip anyway.


They only had rats in the future. I suppose a little rat-sized gun would be quite stinging though, especially if it hits the fleshy part of the arms or legs..


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2013-01-24 03:36:32 PM

dittybopper: OK, let's look at the facts at the police know them:

1. Some guy was killing people named Sarah Connor.
2. The police find Sarah Connor and also capture some guy who kidnapper her.
3. Someone comes into the police station where Sarah and "Future Boy" Reese are held, and kills everyone inside, except for Connor and Reese who disappear.
4. Later, the police find Reese's body, but the man who attacked the station and Sarah Connor are both missing.
5. Years after, Sarah Connor turns up, and is no longer a mousy waitress, but a seriously dangerous woman.


Sarah wasn't missing when Reese's body was found; she was put in an ambulance as he was being put in a body bag. Are you sure that you saw T1?

Given just what the police know, they could spin a theory in which Reese was the serial killer and the person who attacked the police station was there to "rescue" Sarah from the police. They can't really check on who she was hanging out with, because both her room-mate and her mother are dead.Except that can't spin that theory because Sarah was with Reese when they found her the first time and she was unharmed. Given the killer's pattern, he would've killed her in the nightclub or shortly thereafter. For all they know, Sarah Connor could have been another Caril Ann Fugate, and that guy in the pictures is her Charles Starkweather. This might even be supported by her obvious mental issues.

You just refuse to admit that T2 is a poorly written film, don't you? Here's the facts: Jim Cameron needed a hit after The Abyss tanked at the box office, so he made a Terminator sequel with Arnold as the good guy so he could prove to the studios that he can made blockbuster films. He plan worked because Arnold was popular enough at the time and the morphing special effects for the T-1000 were still new and they wowed audiences, but that doesn't mean that T2 is actually a good sequel.
 
2013-01-24 03:39:40 PM
Maybe if they had Roland Kickinger as his body double... or if they used the same CG artists that turned shirtless Nicolas Cage into an action figure in "Ghost Rider."
 
2013-01-24 03:51:44 PM

Jaws75: So the killer who tried so hard to kill Sarah--so hard that the cops knew that someone was trying to kill Sarah and it was reported in the evening news--would then train her to attack companies. That's a "reasonable" assumption in your opinion?


It's happened before.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-01-24 03:55:14 PM

Ishkur: Jaws75: So the killer who tried so hard to kill Sarah--so hard that the cops knew that someone was trying to kill Sarah and it was reported in the evening news--would then train her to attack companies. That's a "reasonable" assumption in your opinion?

It's happened before.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 288x365]


You just came up with a more interesting Terminator sequel than T2. Kudos to you!
 
2013-01-24 03:57:04 PM

Fano: Yep. Remember they even lampshade it in the original when Reese blurts "I don't know, I didn't build the farking thing." All he knows is that only meat goes through.it probably wouldn't have taken much effort to explain that less complicated metals can't go through, or they upgraded the process in the meantime, or maybe it screws with lesser circuitry. Who knows? What happens when you try to put a metal thing through the time machine? Nothing? It explodes? Sent to a parallel dimension?


As I said earlier in the thread, it obviously runs on a massive amount of electro-magnetic energy (enough to arc static electricity several metres in every direction at the destination point), which would be very hazardous to circuitry and metal, but fairly benign to biological matter so long as it doesn't touch ground. IIRC, Reese materialized in the air for this reason. He still remarked that the experience was very painful.
 
2013-01-24 03:59:42 PM

mechgreg: I still say with technology the way it has advanced it is impossible to tell a good terminator story. I mean yea when Skynet is one single computer in a physical location it is easy to tell a story about it battling humanity. But now that pretty much every damn piece of technology is connected wirelessly how does a ragtag group of freedom fighters stop a skynet that is literally installed on 1000's of interconnected computers and can back itself up whenever it wants? Especially if skynet can be backed up on satellites in orbit?


Snake Pliskin just types in 666.
 
2013-01-24 05:13:44 PM
If we waited for the return of several films, some are sequels and others are adapted to 2013, as actors that they have not made any films, this is the turn of Arnold Schwarzenegger who after a flop on the big screen now returns with "Terminator 5".

I've read this sentence 10 times and it still doesn't make any sense. Was this story run through Google translate from some other language?


KingKauff: delysid25: This article for to be read and understood by native speakers of English language that is difficult. Grammar and used of the context are mixed up that you see. If I read and a bowl of alphabet soup that I read and that soup happened to randomly form sentences this article would be that soup I read.

It's almost like meowsaidthedog wrote it


Whew! Glad I'm not the only one.
 
2013-01-24 05:24:47 PM
Stuff I'd like to see in a new movie or maybe they clarify better:

-The T1000 was the first terminator to go back in time. Skynet knew more details about John Connors whereabouts in the 1990s than it did about Sarah's in the 1980s. So it first sent it's one and only T1000 back in time to the 1990s to kill John Connor because logically it would have a greater chance of killing him. The T800 because it was an inferior model to the T1000 was sent to the 1980s and the details of Sarah's life at that time aren't that well known to Skynet.

-Arnold/T800 had other missions other than to kill Sara Connor. He was to set certain things in motion: he mets a genius computer science grad student and tells him about ideas and theories that later develop into Cyberdyne systems.

-More than Reese went back in time and other humans had their own missions just like in the Sarah Connor chronicles. There's a cut scene in the first Terminator that shows a second guy teleoporting back intime but he teleported into a brick wall or something. Supposedly they cut it because the guy had a spoiler line like, "It was you Reese...you're the one...save her!"

-Skynet has a core conscious and maybe realizes that eliminating all humans was a mistake

-Skynet downloaded itself into a T800, when back in time to live with humans and maybe tries to help humanity.

-Arnold is not just some special forces soldier that Skynet used as a model for the T800 but is an important person in John Connor's future. John mets the real life Arnold later in his life and this guy is important somehow to the defeat of Skynet.



I have to say I dont have an issue with any of these things. Why the movie made such an effort to distance itself from "The Sarah Connor Chronicles" is beyond me. The idea that the T-model became an independent AI from Skynet always seemed to be a great idea. "The Last Voyage of the Jimmy Carter" were pretty cool episodes.

By the way, fark You Kevin Reilly (FOX entertainment chair).
 
2013-01-24 05:44:35 PM
I think we're all missing the really big news of that article......they're doing a followup to Twins.....with Eddie Murphy as the triplet to Devito & Arnie?

That's GOT to be a 9.7 on the Pluto Nash Suck-O-Meter scale.......
 
2013-01-24 05:47:31 PM
"We hope that Arnold not need replacement parts as occurred with his beloved Terminator, as the actor has been occasionally in the hospital from injuries sustained in some films that he has shot lately."

He'll live.
 
2013-01-24 05:53:17 PM
T2 was so f'ing fun in theaters, really surprised so many people calling it weak. The movies are about robots from the future, it isn't Citizen Kane. Pretend the robots improved their tech before sending back the liquid metal terminator if it helps you sleep at night.

I mean, why didn't they send back 5 terminators in T1? If Reese could time travel why didn't he try to kill Dyson, which seems like a better use of time than trying to save the mom of a leader who apparently couldn't win the war anyway. Why doesn't Arnold go back with a backup of Skynet on his head drive so he can initiate the apocalypse before John is even there to be born and thwart them?

Whatever, I came to see a helicopter fly under a bridge. T1 has aged pretty poorly IMO, T2 much better.
 
2013-01-24 06:03:21 PM

mlkmandan: I think we're all missing the really big news of that article......they're doing a followup to Twins.....with Eddie Murphy as the triplet to Devito & Arnie?

That's GOT to be a 9.7 on the Pluto Nash Suck-O-Meter scale.......


By Ares that was what I was thinking was the bigger issue and only seeing one comment about it frightens me. It is going to suck so hard, I miss an Eddie Murphy that swears.
 
2013-01-24 06:34:50 PM
yaghi.chem.ucla.edu
Metal Organic Frameworks. Boom, there's your living metal loophole.
 
2013-01-24 09:06:43 PM
Terminator 5? The last Terminator movie was Terminator 2. There were no more movies. LALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU! LALALALA! No other movies! LALALALA!
 
2013-01-24 10:04:58 PM

EngineerAU: Terminator 5? The last Terminator movie was Terminator 2. There were no more movies. LALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU! LALALALA! No other movies! LALALALA!


Y'know, that shtick just never gets old.

Oh wait a minute.

Yes, it did. Just now.
 
2013-01-24 10:25:01 PM

flaminio: EngineerAU: Terminator 5? The last Terminator movie was Terminator 2. There were no more movies. LALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU! LALALALA! No other movies! LALALALA!

Y'know, that shtick just never gets old.

Oh wait a minute.

Yes, it did. Just now.


Welcome to Fark.
 
2013-01-24 11:00:50 PM

flaminio: EngineerAU: Terminator 5? The last Terminator movie was Terminator 2. There were no more movies. LALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU! LALALALA! No other movies! LALALALA!

Y'know, that shtick just never gets old.

Oh wait a minute.

Yes, it did. Just now.


True, it is a bit annoying to do the "there were no other movies" shtick but T2 left it open ended and actually hopeful. Since Judgement Day was "postponed" that alone proved that the future can be changed and since time travel stories never make any sense anyway, there could be a universe where there is no Judgement Day.
 
2013-01-24 11:08:52 PM

Jaws75: You just refuse to admit that T2 is a poorly written film, don't you? Here's the facts: Jim Cameron needed a hit after The Abyss tanked at the box office, so he made a Terminator sequel with Arnold as the good guy so he could prove to the studios that he can made blockbuster films. He plan worked because Arnold was popular enough at the time and the morphing special effects for the T-1000 were still new and they wowed audiences, but that doesn't mean that T2 is actually a good sequel.


It's a good action film. It's biggest problem is that the script clearly keeps us in the dark about Arnie being the good guy and Patrick being the baddie, right up to the point they both catch up with John, but the movies marketing was months of "Arnie is back! And this time he's a good guy!!"

Hell the trailer just about gives away everything.
 
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2013-01-24 11:15:36 PM

dittybopper: Ebenator: PirateKing: Also, plastic Arnold from Salvation was silly looking.

My lord, THIS. If you can't get Arnold, don't fake it. That fake Arnold was stupid.

You remember the scene in "The Running Man", where they digitally superimposed a face on an actor? That's just what they did for that scene in Salvation in real life.



the head they scanned to make that face swap wasn't technically even Arnolds. it was a couple generations removed.

they scanned the mold used to make the cheesy looking animatronic Arnold from the first movie (when he cuts his eye out). the body they used was the guy that played Arnold in some biographical film about him.

i actually thought it was decently effective in Salvation though. if they tried doing it for an entire movie... that would be pretty stupid.

my bigger issue is that the T-800 is supposed to be an "infiltration unit" designed to sneak into human compounds. seems like if they all look the same it kind of defeats the purpose. in the original Terminator they show that flash-forward with a non-Arnold looking T-800 getting into a base. but pretty much ever since then it has been all T-800s all look like Arnold. seems counterproductive.
 
2013-01-24 11:34:25 PM

x23: my bigger issue is that the T-800 is supposed to be an "infiltration unit" designed to sneak into human compounds. seems like if they all look the same it kind of defeats the purpose. in the original Terminator they show that flash-forward with a non-Arnold looking T-800 getting into a base. but pretty much ever since then it has been all T-800s all look like Arnold. seems counterproductive.


Arnold is Cyberdyne Systems Model 101. (maybe Franco Columbo in the first movie was model 102).

There are, undoubtedly, many more models, quite possibly hundreds (collect 'em all!). It is peculiar that they keep using the same model for these time travel missions, but hey -- it's just a movie.
 
2013-01-25 05:24:26 AM
Never liked the second movie myself, didn't watch more. Between the scenes of the teenager bonding with the machine father figure, Sarah going on anti-man rants at least once, and trying to prevent the events from the first movie from ever happening.. I never watched it a second time.
 
2013-01-25 06:26:10 AM
I would like to see Arnie play a T-101 in which his living tissue has aged. Maybe a terminator that got stuck back in time and has just waited, preserving itself in case the resistance were to actually erase the existence of skynet. A sort of backup plan or a sleeper cell. They can't possibly create the illusion that he is right off of the assembly line, looking as old as he is.
 
2013-01-25 06:29:41 AM
For me, Salvation was confusing a I had read the book that takes place between 3 & 4 that explain Hohm Connors wife, the appearance of Reese as a teen etc. it explained a lot of Connors angst regarding who he could trust etc.

Knowing those things then watching Batman flail his way through T-4 ruined it for me.
 
2013-01-25 06:31:06 AM
Where the fark did "Hohm" come from? John! JOHN is what I toyed.

/stupid autocorrect
 
2013-01-25 06:32:43 AM
GODDAMMITSOMUCH!!!

TYPED!!!
/preview being my friend and all
//tools are only helpful if you use them!
 
2013-01-25 07:24:26 AM

Jaws75: Sarah wasn't missing when Reese's body was found; she was put in an ambulance as he was being put in a body bag. Are you sure that you saw T1?


And what happens after that? She goes underground and disappears. The police don't find the guy who killed the cops, but they *DO* have the body of a suspect in the "phonebook killings", someone who, along with Sarah Connor, managed to "escape" from the bloodbath at the police station. They don't get any useful information from her.

Convenient, huh?

You just refuse to admit that T2 is a poorly written film, don't you? Here's the facts: Jim Cameron needed a hit after The Abyss tanked at the box office, so he made a Terminator sequel with Arnold as the good guy so he could prove to the studios that he can made blockbuster films. He plan worked because Arnold was popular enough at the time and the morphing special effects for the T-1000 were still new and they wowed audiences, but that doesn't mean that T2 is actually a good sequel.

I think T2 is actually a pretty decent film. In some non-technical ways, it's actually better than the first.
 
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