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2013-01-24 08:47:08 AM
OK...if you're going to do this then DO IT RIGHT!  Spend some money and time on the goddamn script!  Make it a decent Sci-Fi story and not a CGI catch-phrase festival.

Don't fugg this up!
 
2013-01-24 08:49:17 AM

Elvis_Bogart: OK...if you're going to do this then DO IT RIGHT!  Spend some money and time on the goddamn script!  Make it a decent Sci-Fi story and not a CGI catch-phrase festival.

Don't fugg this up!


Do you like having hope just to see it dashed against the wall? You strike me as a possible masochist.
 
2013-01-24 09:02:13 AM
Don't be silly, that would require them to have made a 3 and a 4.
 
2013-01-24 09:07:24 AM
I have carefully constructed a mental world in which there is only one Terminator movie, the first one, and all of the others never happened.
 
2013-01-24 09:12:02 AM

Pocket Ninja: I have carefully constructed a mental world in which there is only one Terminator movie, the first one, and all of the others never happened.


Oh come on. I liked Terminator 2.
 
2013-01-24 09:17:33 AM
Here's how you fix the Terminator franchise:

First, let's pretend Salvation is not canon so we don't have to follow it up. It wasn't a bad movie, it was just a stupid story.

Fans of the Terminator franchise have been wanting to see a full-length feature film based on the gritty, nightmarish future scenes of the first film for 25 and what did Salvation do? Not an out and out military struggle under the cover of night against uncompromising machines intent on wiping out all humanity, but a sunny daylight soap opera jaunt by a confused android looking for his place in the world. The machine who learns to love humanity. The machine who doesn't know he's a machine. As if we didn't get enough of this "are they human?" tripe from BSG, now we have cylons in the farking Terminator Universe.

And the way it played out was dumb, hokey, cliched, and obvious, and an insult to the intelligence of any Sci-Fi fan. If I wanted introspective replicant bullshiat, I'd go watch Bladerunner.

fark you, McG.

Okay, so next film is a WAR FILM. A REAL gritty war film, with Private Ryan/Band of Brothers direction and cinematography. Set in the future that we are familiar with: Colonies of human stragglers gasping for survival, night raids, big hulking HKs, and phase plasma rifles in the 40 watt range. Straight forward plot about a campaign/mission (either led by John Connor, or ordered by him) to infiltrate a T-800 factory and priority 1: Capture it, cut it off from skynet and reprogram its hardware for the war effort and if that's not possible, priority 2: Destroy it, thereby eliminating any presence of Skynet in the area and earning the humans a little piece of real estate to rebuild their civilization (for awhile). That's it. No wishy washy bullshiat, no human interest drama, no more "machines trying to understand humanity", and no human personifications of skynet. It's a computer, it has mathematically calculated humanity's termination -- it does not require a rosy rationale for its decision.

Now, someone dig up the corpse of Steven Ambrose and let's make this happen.
 
2013-01-24 09:21:26 AM
He will look as spry as Harrison "Where's my walker" Ford in Indy 3.
 
2013-01-24 09:24:11 AM

Cythraul: Pocket Ninja: I have carefully constructed a mental world in which there is only one Terminator movie, the first one, and all of the others never happened.

Oh come on. I liked Terminator 2.


I even liked Terminator 3. Yeah, it had some silliness, *BUT* the idea that Judgement Day was pretty much inevitable is a good one, and I especially like the ending.

Terminator Salvation? Meh. Orange and blue crapfest.
 
2013-01-24 09:24:58 AM

Cythraul: Pocket Ninja: I have carefully constructed a mental world in which there is only one Terminator movie, the first one, and all of the others never happened.

Oh come on. I liked Terminator 2.


Seriously, it was pretty good.  It got stupid after that, though honestly I never did watch the fourth one.  But come on, how many times can you rewrite history while making sure it still happens?  At least when ST time travels, they make a point to reset everything by the end of the episode or firmly establish a new universe.  All Terminator has established is that there is no such thing as free will because the future is inevitable.
 
2013-01-24 09:25:18 AM
So Pixar is going to handle all his scenes?
 
2013-01-24 09:34:21 AM

Ishkur: Here's how you fix the Terminator franchise:

First, let's pretend Salvation is not canon so we don't have to follow it up. It wasn't a bad movie, it was just a stupid story.

Fans of the Terminator franchise have been wanting to see a full-length feature film based on the gritty, nightmarish future scenes of the first film for 25 and what did Salvation do? Not an out and out military struggle under the cover of night against uncompromising machines intent on wiping out all humanity, but a sunny daylight soap opera jaunt by a confused android looking for his place in the world. The machine who learns to love humanity. The machine who doesn't know he's a machine. As if we didn't get enough of this "are they human?" tripe from BSG, now we have cylons in the farking Terminator Universe.

And the way it played out was dumb, hokey, cliched, and obvious, and an insult to the intelligence of any Sci-Fi fan. If I wanted introspective replicant bullshiat, I'd go watch Bladerunner.

fark you, McG.

Okay, so next film is a WAR FILM. A REAL gritty war film, with Private Ryan/Band of Brothers direction and cinematography. Set in the future that we are familiar with: Colonies of human stragglers gasping for survival, night raids, big hulking HKs, and phase plasma rifles in the 40 watt range. Straight forward plot about a campaign/mission (either led by John Connor, or ordered by him) to infiltrate a T-800 factory and priority 1: Capture it, cut it off from skynet and reprogram its hardware for the war effort and if that's not possible, priority 2: Destroy it, thereby eliminating any presence of Skynet in the area and earning the humans a little piece of real estate to rebuild their civilization (for awhile). That's it. No wishy washy bullshiat, no human interest drama, no more "machines trying to understand humanity", and no human personifications of skynet. It's a computer, it has mathematically calculated humanity's termination -- it does not require a rosy rationale for its de ...


THIS.

/especially the phase plasma rifles in the 40 watt range.

/thought the TV show had some good hints of this world
 
2013-01-24 09:47:46 AM
Terminator 2's entire premise violated the one main rule that the story had set up in the first movie regarding time travel. I can forgive a certain degree of laziness and shortcutting in a movie on the part of its writers, but past a certain point it becomes unacceptable.
 
2013-01-24 09:52:50 AM
I just want to hear them explain how a robot aged 25 years.
 
2013-01-24 09:53:29 AM

Pocket Ninja: Terminator 2's entire premise violated the one main rule that the story had set up in the first movie regarding time travel


What, when Reese said "I can't. Nobody goes home, nobody else comes through. It's just him and me."?

Not much of a plot hole. So they thought they destroyed the only time displacement equipment in existence. Skynet built another.
 
2013-01-24 09:58:01 AM

Ishkur: What, when Reese said


No, when Reese explained that only living tissue could travel back through time. Which was why he not only arrived naked but also had no effective weapons with which to fight the terminator. Because, hey, if he'd been able to bring back real weapons, that would have been a pretty boring movie, right? Lie in ambush, wait for the terminator to appear, ZAM! Ray gun, arnold's disintegrated. They even spent time explaining why the Terminator was able to go back...because, yes, he was a machine, but he was encased in living flesh. Which means that Reese could have brought back weapons if they'd been inserted into him, but whatever.

But then what do they go and send through time in Terminator 2? A farking robot made of liquid metal. Liquid farking metal. Yeah.
 
2013-01-24 10:01:22 AM

Pocket Ninja: Ishkur: What, when Reese said

No, when Reese explained that only living tissue could travel back through time. Which was why he not only arrived naked but also had no effective weapons with which to fight the terminator. Because, hey, if he'd been able to bring back real weapons, that would have been a pretty boring movie, right? Lie in ambush, wait for the terminator to appear, ZAM! Ray gun, arnold's disintegrated. They even spent time explaining why the Terminator was able to go back...because, yes, he was a machine, but he was encased in living flesh. Which means that Reese could have brought back weapons if they'd been inserted into him, but whatever.

But then what do they go and send through time in Terminator 2? A farking robot made of liquid metal. Liquid farking metal. Yeah.


If we are going to get all nit picky they would of just sent the terminator back to the 1800's and let him squash john's great great great grandpa with his bare hands in some cabin in the woods somewhere.
 
2013-01-24 10:01:26 AM

Ishkur: Pocket Ninja: Terminator 2's entire premise violated the one main rule that the story had set up in the first movie regarding time travel

What, when Reese said "I can't. Nobody goes home, nobody else comes through. It's just him and me."?

Not much of a plot hole. So they thought they destroyed the only time displacement equipment in existence. Skynet built another.


Perhaps it's that only living tissue, or metal surrounded by living tissue, could be sent through, and the T-1000 was made of "liquid metal". This could be back-rationalized by having the T-1000 come through with a living skin that is either shed or just absorbed. All you need is a coating of living material. But if that works, you could surgically plant advanced weapons inside a living organism, and just kill it.
 
2013-01-24 10:02:34 AM
As the Granpa5000 infiltration unit.
 
2013-01-24 10:03:23 AM
Anyways the biggest plot hole of the entire franchise is how the hell the terminator was designed off the remains of the one sent back in time.  They definitely divided by 0 on that one.
 
2013-01-24 10:06:35 AM

Pocket Ninja: Ishkur: What, when Reese said

No, when Reese explained that only living tissue could travel back through time. Which was why he not only arrived naked but also had no effective weapons with which to fight the terminator. Because, hey, if he'd been able to bring back real weapons, that would have been a pretty boring movie, right? Lie in ambush, wait for the terminator to appear, ZAM! Ray gun, arnold's disintegrated. They even spent time explaining why the Terminator was able to go back...because, yes, he was a machine, but he was encased in living flesh. Which means that Reese could have brought back weapons if they'd been inserted into him, but whatever.

But then what do they go and send through time in Terminator 2? A farking robot made of liquid metal. Liquid farking metal. Yeah.


Because when it comes to time travel, there can be no further technological development.
 
2013-01-24 10:07:01 AM

NickelP: If we are going to get all nit picky they would of just sent the terminator back to the 1800's and let him squash john's great great great grandpa with his bare hands in some cabin in the woods somewhere.


Well, yeah. But I'm willing to ignore many logic flaws for an entertaining time-travel movie. You have to or they all become stupid at some level. But when the story creators establish a bright-line rule for their story world, then damnit, they need to follow it.
 
2013-01-24 10:08:43 AM

Pocket Ninja: No, when Reese explained that only living tissue could travel back through time. Which was why he not only arrived naked but also had no effective weapons with which to fight the terminator. Because, hey, if he'd been able to bring back real weapons, that would have been a pretty boring movie, right? Lie in ambush, wait for the terminator to appear, ZAM! Ray gun, arnold's disintegrated. They even spent time explaining why the Terminator was able to go back...because, yes, he was a machine, but he was encased in living flesh. Which means that Reese could have brought back weapons if they'd been inserted into him, but whatever.

But then what do they go and send through time in Terminator 2? A farking robot made of liquid metal. Liquid farking metal. Yeah.



Details are hazy on how exactly the time displacement equipment works, but given the massive amounts of static charge generated by the field at the destination point, I would imagine that it involves surrounding the object with intense electro-magnetic fields which, as we all know, is hazardous to circuitry and anything electronic and/or metal. So the only way a Terminator could go would be completely incased in something non-metallic. But then why no clothing, which EM fields would have no affect on either? ....not sure.

Reese is no scientist so doesn't know how it works ("I didn't built the thing"), so his summation that "nothing dead will go" might not be accurate. It's not that nothing dead will go, it's that nothing non-biological will go (after all, your hair and the surface area of your skin is technically dead). There are all sorts of ways around this plothole, it's not that aggravating.

Now, as for the T-1000: Well, since mimetic pollyalloy doesn't exist, it can be anything the plot wants it to be, and if it can mimic living tissue or do something to protect the T-1000 circuitry from the EM field then what's the issue?
 
2013-01-24 10:10:11 AM
It would be pretty funny to watch.

Arnold: "John Kahner...why....*gasp*....why are you running so fahst?"
John: "He's coming! We've got to move!"
Arnold: "*gasp*...what was dat, 50 yards? Does anyone have some oxygen?"
John: "Get up! We've got to keep moving!"
Arnold: "Hold on...hold on....*gasp*...is my makeup smearing?"
John: "What?"
Arnold: "LOOK AT ME! Does my makeup look runny? I feel like it's runny."
John: "I command you to run."
Arnold: "Dat doesn't work anymore. Your wife is in charge. She says she wants you to do the dishes more in the future."
John: "Maybe we should have gotten Robert Patrick to come back for this one."
Arnold: "I heard dat."
John: "Here, load these grenades."
Arnold: "Agh. Dat hurts! My hands are so sore from signing my new book, Total Recall."
John: "What? Hurry up load this. I can't hold him off any longer."
Arnold: "Have you read it?"
John: "Read what?"
Arnold: "Total Recall. It's about how I cheated on my wife. You should read it."
 
2013-01-24 10:12:11 AM

Ishkur: it's not that aggravating.


I disagree. It is very aggravating. I've killed three people over this very thing.
 
2013-01-24 10:12:50 AM

bdub77: It would be pretty funny to watch.

Arnold: "John Kahner...why....*gasp*....why are you running so fahst?"
John: "He's coming! We've got to move!"
Arnold: "*gasp*...what was dat, 50 yards? Does anyone have some oxygen?"
John: "Get up! We've got to keep moving!"
Arnold: "Hold on...hold on....*gasp*...is my makeup smearing?"
John: "What?"
Arnold: "LOOK AT ME! Does my makeup look runny? I feel like it's runny."
John: "I command you to run."
Arnold: "Dat doesn't work anymore. Your wife is in charge. She says she wants you to do the dishes more in the future."
John: "Maybe we should have gotten Robert Patrick to come back for this one."
Arnold: "I heard dat."
John: "Here, load these grenades."
Arnold: "Agh. Dat hurts! My hands are so sore from signing my new book, Total Recall."
John: "What? Hurry up load this. I can't hold him off any longer."
Arnold: "Have you read it?"
John: "Read what?"
Arnold: "Total Recall. It's about how I cheated on my wife. You should read it."


They should remake kindergarten cop where he finds out at the end that they are all his kids
 
2013-01-24 10:13:29 AM

Pocket Ninja: Ishkur: it's not that aggravating.

I disagree. It is very aggravating. I've killed three people over this very thing.


I really hope one of them wasn't John Connor. Because if so, you just ruined everything.
 
2013-01-24 10:14:25 AM

NickelP: bdub77: It would be pretty funny to watch.

Arnold: "John Kahner...why....*gasp*....why are you running so fahst?"
John: "He's coming! We've got to move!"
Arnold: "*gasp*...what was dat, 50 yards? Does anyone have some oxygen?"
John: "Get up! We've got to keep moving!"
Arnold: "Hold on...hold on....*gasp*...is my makeup smearing?"
John: "What?"
Arnold: "LOOK AT ME! Does my makeup look runny? I feel like it's runny."
John: "I command you to run."
Arnold: "Dat doesn't work anymore. Your wife is in charge. She says she wants you to do the dishes more in the future."
John: "Maybe we should have gotten Robert Patrick to come back for this one."
Arnold: "I heard dat."
John: "Here, load these grenades."
Arnold: "Agh. Dat hurts! My hands are so sore from signing my new book, Total Recall."
John: "What? Hurry up load this. I can't hold him off any longer."
Arnold: "Have you read it?"
John: "Read what?"
Arnold: "Total Recall. It's about how I cheated on my wife. You should read it."

They should remake kindergarten cop where he finds out at the end that they are all his kids


You owe me a new keyboard.
 
2013-01-24 10:16:47 AM

Pocket Ninja: Ishkur: it's not that aggravating.
I disagree. It is very aggravating. I've killed three people over this very thing.


You might want to see a therapist about that. I know a guy, Dr. Silberman. He's worked with people like you.
 
2013-01-24 10:17:50 AM
Hiding from the cold, I watched T2 last night and was struck by how awful it was.  The Disney-fication effect of the 90's was in full play, fark the story make some cool effects and sell it.  I am afraid I am going to need to move in Pocket Ninja's world where there was only the one movie.

Now, if they wanted to reboot the movie and do it right...I would go see that movie.  Though, I am hard pressed to think of an actress as hot/kick ass awesome as Linda Hamilton for the lead.
 
2013-01-24 10:17:53 AM

NickelP: Pocket Ninja: Ishkur: What, when Reese said

No, when Reese explained that only living tissue could travel back through time. Which was why he not only arrived naked but also had no effective weapons with which to fight the terminator. Because, hey, if he'd been able to bring back real weapons, that would have been a pretty boring movie, right? Lie in ambush, wait for the terminator to appear, ZAM! Ray gun, arnold's disintegrated. They even spent time explaining why the Terminator was able to go back...because, yes, he was a machine, but he was encased in living flesh. Which means that Reese could have brought back weapons if they'd been inserted into him, but whatever.

But then what do they go and send through time in Terminator 2? A farking robot made of liquid metal. Liquid farking metal. Yeah.

If we are going to get all nit picky they would of just sent the terminator back to the 1800's and let him squash john's great great great grandpa with his bare hands in some cabin in the woods somewhere.


www.zuguide.com

If you've got a time machine, why don't you just go back and kill him when he's sitting on the crapper or something?
 
2013-01-24 10:21:46 AM

Pocket Ninja: Terminator 2's entire premise violated the one main rule that the story had set up in the first movie regarding time travel. I can forgive a certain degree of laziness and shortcutting in a movie on the part of its writers, but past a certain point it becomes unacceptable.


But Terminator 2 had that Guns N Roses song, which was pretty cool at the time.
 
2013-01-24 10:29:23 AM

NickelP: Pocket Ninja: Ishkur: What, when Reese said

No, when Reese explained that only living tissue could travel back through time. Which was why he not only arrived naked but also had no effective weapons with which to fight the terminator. Because, hey, if he'd been able to bring back real weapons, that would have been a pretty boring movie, right? Lie in ambush, wait for the terminator to appear, ZAM! Ray gun, arnold's disintegrated. They even spent time explaining why the Terminator was able to go back...because, yes, he was a machine, but he was encased in living flesh. Which means that Reese could have brought back weapons if they'd been inserted into him, but whatever.

But then what do they go and send through time in Terminator 2? A farking robot made of liquid metal. Liquid farking metal. Yeah.

If we are going to get all nit picky they would of just sent the terminator back to the 1800's and let him squash john's great great great grandpa with his bare hands in some cabin in the woods somewhere.


Reese had a line about, "most of the records were destroyed in the war," and SkyNet could only narrow it down to a Sarah Connor living in L.A. They didn't even know her middle name, hence the T-800 being the "phonebook killer" in the first film.
 
2013-01-24 10:36:36 AM
They made a 3 and 4?

/doesn't watch many movies
 
2013-01-24 10:49:07 AM

Mugato: So Pixar is going to handle all his scenes?


Just the musical numbers with him tap-dancing with Fred Astaire.
 
2013-01-24 10:50:50 AM

Sgt Otter: Reese had a line about, "most of the records were destroyed in the war," and SkyNet could only narrow it down to a Sarah Connor living in L.A. They didn't even know her middle name, hence the T-800 being the "phonebook killer" in the first film.


I like how this plot point was handled in the sequels: Sarah and John deliberately living off the grid so as to leave as little digital trace as possible. That's why Skynet, despite being a sentient futuristic Google, had problems finding her.
 
2013-01-24 10:51:04 AM
I'd much rather see Arnie do Conan 3 than Terminator 5.
 
2013-01-24 10:57:34 AM

NickelP: Pocket Ninja: Ishkur: What, when Reese said

No, when Reese explained that only living tissue could travel back through time. Which was why he not only arrived naked but also had no effective weapons with which to fight the terminator. Because, hey, if he'd been able to bring back real weapons, that would have been a pretty boring movie, right? Lie in ambush, wait for the terminator to appear, ZAM! Ray gun, arnold's disintegrated. They even spent time explaining why the Terminator was able to go back...because, yes, he was a machine, but he was encased in living flesh. Which means that Reese could have brought back weapons if they'd been inserted into him, but whatever.

But then what do they go and send through time in Terminator 2? A farking robot made of liquid metal. Liquid farking metal. Yeah.

If we are going to get all nit picky they would of just sent the terminator back to the 1800's and let him squash john's great great great grandpa with his bare hands in some cabin in the woods somewhere.


...and right before the Terminator catches them, Marty McFly and Doc Brown appear in the Delorian and crash into the Terminator. John's ancestors escape and continue the bloodline.
 
2013-01-24 11:00:19 AM
Okay. But I'll wait for it to come on tv.
 
2013-01-24 11:03:44 AM

Whatthefark: NickelP: Pocket Ninja: Ishkur: What, when Reese said

No, when Reese explained that only living tissue could travel back through time. Which was why he not only arrived naked but also had no effective weapons with which to fight the terminator. Because, hey, if he'd been able to bring back real weapons, that would have been a pretty boring movie, right? Lie in ambush, wait for the terminator to appear, ZAM! Ray gun, arnold's disintegrated. They even spent time explaining why the Terminator was able to go back...because, yes, he was a machine, but he was encased in living flesh. Which means that Reese could have brought back weapons if they'd been inserted into him, but whatever.

But then what do they go and send through time in Terminator 2? A farking robot made of liquid metal. Liquid farking metal. Yeah.

If we are going to get all nit picky they would of just sent the terminator back to the 1800's and let him squash john's great great great grandpa with his bare hands in some cabin in the woods somewhere.

...and right before the Terminator catches them, Marty McFly and Doc Brown appear in the Delorian and crash into the Terminator. John's ancestors escape and continue the bloodline.


Terminator 5: back to the future!

I'd totally watch that
 
2013-01-24 11:05:44 AM
If he's in it, he should be the aging bodybuilder the terminators were modeled on. Not a terminator himself. He could be racked with guilt and living as a hermit because anyone who sees him freaks out in terror.

Also, plastic Arnold from Salvation was silly looking.

But they'll probably defeat Skynet by teaching it the power of Love or something.

I want to see the T-One Million from the Universal Studios T-3D adventure. That thing was cool. They should redo some of that experience in video form. It was a really well-done theater show. The premise was that you were part of a tour group of investors, visiting Cyberdyne systems for an early prototype Terminator demo, when suddenly John and Sarah Connor attack. The T-1000 shows up, and then the T-800 shows up to fight him. They do a big stage battle, and then go into the future for a 45-minute 3D action fest culminating in a GIGANTIC fight against a liquid metal guardian the size of a building.

It probably won't stand up too well without the 3D, but I've always thought it was awesome. Saw it almost 15 years ago,k so it's probably just nostalgia.
 
2013-01-24 11:11:57 AM

NickelP: Anyways the biggest plot hole of the entire franchise is how the hell the terminator was designed off the remains of the one sent back in time.  They definitely divided by 0 on that one.


The deleted scene from T3 - the only watchable scene from that movie - goes into great detail. A loudmouth Texan General (Arnie, with overdubbed voice) in a promotional video for SkyNet, starts talking up the new T-100s, designed, of course, to look like Texan General.

Then, when the project manager (or whoever) asks if they can change the voice modulator (something about "that stupid accent"), the computer geek sitting nearby answers in a husky Austrian tone: "Vhe cohn feeks eet."

// they cut it because they thought it made the movie "too silly"
// clearly, they weren't watching the same film as the rest of us
 
2013-01-24 11:13:15 AM

NickelP: Pocket Ninja: Ishkur: What, when Reese said

No, when Reese explained that only living tissue could travel back through time. Which was why he not only arrived naked but also had no effective weapons with which to fight the terminator. Because, hey, if he'd been able to bring back real weapons, that would have been a pretty boring movie, right? Lie in ambush, wait for the terminator to appear, ZAM! Ray gun, arnold's disintegrated. They even spent time explaining why the Terminator was able to go back...because, yes, he was a machine, but he was encased in living flesh. Which means that Reese could have brought back weapons if they'd been inserted into him, but whatever.

But then what do they go and send through time in Terminator 2? A farking robot made of liquid metal. Liquid farking metal. Yeah.

If we are going to get all nit picky they would of just sent the terminator back to the 1800's and let him squash john's great great great grandpa with his bare hands in some cabin in the woods somewhere.



It would make sense from a butterfly effect perspective not to go any further back in time than absolutely necessary. I could probably go back in time to kill someone that was alive at the same time as my mother father and with a little research be reasonably certain that that particular individual had never crossed paths with them or had any real effect on their lives. But the further I go back in time, the more likely I'm going to kill someone whose premature death subtly alters the timeline enough that the particular circumstances of my birth never occur.
 
2013-01-24 11:14:12 AM
Stuff I'd like to see in a new movie or maybe they clarify better:

-The T1000 was the first terminator to go back in time. Skynet knew more details about John Connors whereabouts in the 1990s than it did about Sarah's in the 1980s. So it first sent it's one and only T1000 back in time to the 1990s to kill John Connor because logically it would have a greater chance of killing him. The T800 because it was an inferior model to the T1000 was sent to the 1980s and the details of Sarah's life at that time aren't that well known to Skynet.

-Arnold/T800 had other missions other than to kill Sara Connor. He was to set certain things in motion: he mets a genius computer science grad student and tells him about ideas and theories that later develop into Cyberdyne systems.

-More than Reese went back in time and other humans had their own missions just like in the Sarah Connor chronicles. There's a cut scene in the first Terminator that shows a second guy teleoporting back intime but he teleported into a brick wall or something. Supposedly they cut it because the guy had a spoiler line like, "It was you Reese...you're the one...save her!"

-Skynet has a core conscious and maybe realizes that eliminating all humans was a mistake

-Skynet downloaded itself into a T800, when back in time to live with humans and maybe tries to help humanity.

-Arnold is not just some special forces soldier that Skynet used as a model for the T800 but is an important person in John Connor's future. John mets the real life Arnold later in his life and this guy is important somehow to the defeat of Skynet.

Yeah, let's get back to teh gritty night scenes of humans fighting in the rubble of once great cities.
 
2013-01-24 11:16:43 AM

PirateKing: Also, plastic Arnold from Salvation was silly looking.


My lord, THIS. If you can't get Arnold, don't fake it. That fake Arnold was stupid.
 
2013-01-24 11:16:48 AM
The dude should let it go unless T5 is to be a self deprecating comedy featuring him and Danny Devito as mismatched psychotic cyborg killer twins on the hunt for Sarah Connor played by Emma Thompson...I'd watch that...
 
2013-01-24 11:20:01 AM

Gordinho: The dude should let it go unless T5 is to be a self deprecating comedy featuring him and Danny Devito as mismatched psychotic cyborg killer twins on the hunt for Sarah Connor played by Emma Thompson...I'd watch that...


It could feature the T16, a robotic version of Frank from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia.
 
2013-01-24 11:21:39 AM

Whatthefark: NickelP: Pocket Ninja: Ishkur: What, when Reese said

No, when Reese explained that only living tissue could travel back through time. Which was why he not only arrived naked but also had no effective weapons with which to fight the terminator. Because, hey, if he'd been able to bring back real weapons, that would have been a pretty boring movie, right? Lie in ambush, wait for the terminator to appear, ZAM! Ray gun, arnold's disintegrated. They even spent time explaining why the Terminator was able to go back...because, yes, he was a machine, but he was encased in living flesh. Which means that Reese could have brought back weapons if they'd been inserted into him, but whatever.

But then what do they go and send through time in Terminator 2? A farking robot made of liquid metal. Liquid farking metal. Yeah.

If we are going to get all nit picky they would of just sent the terminator back to the 1800's and let him squash john's great great great grandpa with his bare hands in some cabin in the woods somewhere.

...and right before the Terminator catches them, Marty McFly and Doc Brown appear in the Delorian and crash into the Terminator. John's ancestors escape and continue the bloodline.


And then the TARDIS lands on top of the Delorean, the Doctor pops out, and reprograms the Terminator with his Sonic Screwdriver to think it's a tapdancing Ood.
 
2013-01-24 11:24:41 AM

NickelP: Anyways the biggest plot hole of the entire franchise is how the hell the terminator was designed off the remains of the one sent back in time.  They definitely divided by 0 on that one.


Well that is like complaining about how John Connor fights the machines and sends back Reese to be his own father in the past. SkyNet could have be created without the technology from the terminator in a first run through of that time period, design the terminator, send it back and now you have that knowledge which makes changes to SkyNet (relative to the first cycle) that makes SkyNet's takeover and genocide easier/faster.

Equally you can see a series of time loops where someone other than John Connor (who wouldn't exist before the time machine is used) manages to take over the time machine facility and send Reese back into the past to try to stop SkyNet before it is created, where he meets up with Sarah Connor, gives her knowledge so she can plan for the future, and indeed they have a kid together that is trained before Skynet even exists to be able to fight against it and know its plans, methods and weapons even before they have been developed, which means now John Connor is the leader that takes over the time machine and then sends Reese back, etc. Or there could be hundreds of cycles slowly changing the course of events in the affected time window and afterwards that might never stabilize to a "final" reality as every run through is different because it ends up with different things happening in the lead up to the time travel which then affects who goes through, or what they are like, or what their goals are, or what date/time they go back to, etc. The paradox would then only be what happens if events change enough so the time machine is never created by SkyNet in the first place (because it is defeated too quickly maybe).
 
2013-01-24 11:25:10 AM
We've divided by 'Hipster Zero' here folks. Terminator 2 is out of favour now!? What's next? Raiders of the Lost Ark? Gremlins? Predator? I swear if I hear a bad word about Goonies, it's go time hipsters!
 
2013-01-24 11:26:18 AM

xria: NickelP: Anyways the biggest plot hole of the entire franchise is how the hell the terminator was designed off the remains of the one sent back in time.  They definitely divided by 0 on that one.

Well that is like complaining about how John Connor fights the machines and sends back Reese to be his own father in the past. SkyNet could have be created without the technology from the terminator in a first run through of that time period, design the terminator, send it back and now you have that knowledge which makes changes to SkyNet (relative to the first cycle) that makes SkyNet's takeover and genocide easier/faster.

Equally you can see a series of time loops where someone other than John Connor (who wouldn't exist before the time machine is used) manages to take over the time machine facility and send Reese back into the past to try to stop SkyNet before it is created, where he meets up with Sarah Connor, gives her knowledge so she can plan for the future, and indeed they have a kid together that is trained before Skynet even exists to be able to fight against it and know its plans, methods and weapons even before they have been developed, which means now John Connor is the leader that takes over the time machine and then sends Reese back, etc. Or there could be hundreds of cycles slowly changing the course of events in the affected time window and afterwards that might never stabilize to a "final" reality as every run through is different because it ends up with different things happening in the lead up to the time travel which then affects who goes through, or what they are like, or what their goals are, or what date/time they go back to, etc. The paradox would then only be what happens if events change enough so the time machine is never created by SkyNet in the first place (because it is defeated too quickly maybe).


Clearly the Terminator movies were not meant for actual sci-fi fans.
 
2013-01-24 11:27:39 AM

LectertheChef: Whatthefark: NickelP: Pocket Ninja: Ishkur: What, when Reese said

No, when Reese explained that only living tissue could travel back through time. Which was why he not only arrived naked but also had no effective weapons with which to fight the terminator. Because, hey, if he'd been able to bring back real weapons, that would have been a pretty boring movie, right? Lie in ambush, wait for the terminator to appear, ZAM! Ray gun, arnold's disintegrated. They even spent time explaining why the Terminator was able to go back...because, yes, he was a machine, but he was encased in living flesh. Which means that Reese could have brought back weapons if they'd been inserted into him, but whatever.

But then what do they go and send through time in Terminator 2? A farking robot made of liquid metal. Liquid farking metal. Yeah.

If we are going to get all nit picky they would of just sent the terminator back to the 1800's and let him squash john's great great great grandpa with his bare hands in some cabin in the woods somewhere.

...and right before the Terminator catches them, Marty McFly and Doc Brown appear in the Delorian and crash into the Terminator. John's ancestors escape and continue the bloodline.

And then the TARDIS lands on top of the Delorean, the Doctor pops out, and reprograms the Terminator with his Sonic Screwdriver to think it's a tapdancing Ood.


At what point does the Bird of Prey arrive to deliver the humpbacks?
 
2013-01-24 11:27:46 AM

LockeOak: Gordinho: The dude should let it go unless T5 is to be a self deprecating comedy featuring him and Danny Devito as mismatched psychotic cyborg killer twins on the hunt for Sarah Connor played by Emma Thompson...I'd watch that...

It could feature the T16, a robotic version of Frank from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia.


T-16 Warthog model? Weapon of choice: Snub nosed revolver in the .38 Special range.
 
2013-01-24 11:28:33 AM
Terminator 5 -- The Rusty Bucket.

www.wafflesandbeatz.com

I see nothing good coming from this.
 
2013-01-24 11:29:22 AM
Summer Glau hasn't got old. Sarah Connor Chronicles movie please? Pretty please?
 
2013-01-24 11:29:52 AM

Pocket Ninja: Ishkur: What, when Reese said

No, when Reese explained that only living tissue could travel back through time. Which was why he not only arrived naked but also had no effective weapons with which to fight the terminator. Because, hey, if he'd been able to bring back real weapons, that would have been a pretty boring movie, right? Lie in ambush, wait for the terminator to appear, ZAM! Ray gun, arnold's disintegrated. They even spent time explaining why the Terminator was able to go back...because, yes, he was a machine, but he was encased in living flesh. Which means that Reese could have brought back weapons if they'd been inserted into him, but whatever.

But then what do they go and send through time in Terminator 2? A farking robot made of liquid metal. Liquid farking metal. Yeah.


I am pretty sure they broke their own rule in The Terminator then. Cuz, you know, The T-800 is partly metal.
 
2013-01-24 11:30:37 AM

bdub77: It would be pretty funny to watch.

Arnold: "John Kahner...why....*gasp*....why are you running so fahst?"
John: "He's coming! We've got to move!"
Arnold: "*gasp*...what was dat, 50 yards? Does anyone have some oxygen?"
John: "Get up! We've got to keep moving!"
Arnold: "Hold on...hold on....*gasp*...is my makeup smearing?"
John: "What?"
Arnold: "LOOK AT ME! Does my makeup look runny? I feel like it's runny."
John: "I command you to run."
Arnold: "Dat doesn't work anymore. Your wife is in charge. She says she wants you to do the dishes more in the future."
John: "Maybe we should have gotten Robert Patrick to come back for this one."
Arnold: "I heard dat."
John: "Here, load these grenades."
Arnold: "Agh. Dat hurts! My hands are so sore from signing my new book, Total Recall."
John: "What? Hurry up load this. I can't hold him off any longer."
Arnold: "Have you read it?"
John: "Read what?"
Arnold: "Total Recall. It's about how I cheated on my wife. You should read it."


I take it you haven't seen him recently...?
 
2013-01-24 11:32:47 AM

coeyagi: Pocket Ninja: Ishkur: What, when Reese said

No, when Reese explained that only living tissue could travel back through time. Which was why he not only arrived naked but also had no effective weapons with which to fight the terminator. Because, hey, if he'd been able to bring back real weapons, that would have been a pretty boring movie, right? Lie in ambush, wait for the terminator to appear, ZAM! Ray gun, arnold's disintegrated. They even spent time explaining why the Terminator was able to go back...because, yes, he was a machine, but he was encased in living flesh. Which means that Reese could have brought back weapons if they'd been inserted into him, but whatever.

But then what do they go and send through time in Terminator 2? A farking robot made of liquid metal. Liquid farking metal. Yeah.

I am pretty sure they broke their own rule in The Terminator then. Cuz, you know, The T-800 is partly metal.


Nevermind, I reread your post. It's basically lazy storytelling with exceptions in The Terminator rather than outright breaking their rule. But I don't let that factoid become sand in my vagina - it was a good movie, and so was the 2nd. The 3rd had a good story (except the TX bullshiat) but poor execution. Accept the 4th for what it was or should have been and McG never brought it home - that it was a way to get Connor and Reese to meet, and that the experience is supposed to humanize Connor after he became a hardass from war.
 
2013-01-24 11:33:19 AM

NickelP: Anyways the biggest plot hole of the entire franchise is how the hell the terminator was designed off the remains of the one sent back in time.  They definitely divided by 0 on that one.


It's one of the reasons I always liked the first terminator best. T2 was touted as the best sequel ever for years, and I was annoyed that the just plausible enough logic of the first movie starts following San dimas time travel rules.

It's a shame they passed on o.j. Simpson for the role of the terminator.
 
2013-01-24 11:33:25 AM
GAT_00: Seriously, it was pretty good.  It got stupid after that

It got pretty stupid when they started playing "Bad to the Bone" when the T-800 walked out of a bar in biker gear. And when the cops asked Sarah Connor where Arnold was, even though he was identified by the cops in the first movie as a serial killer who liked to kill women named "Sarah Connor". And when a T-800 became a surrogate father figure who said things like "Hasta la vista, baby", "I need a vacation", and "Now I know why you cry". If this isn't silly to you, then you shouldn't be complaining about T3 and T4.
 
2013-01-24 11:33:36 AM

Flint Ironstag: John: "Maybe we should have gotten Robert Patrick to come back for this one."

I take it you haven't seen him recently...?


He aged a little better than arnie has. That's not saying much though.
 
2013-01-24 11:41:09 AM
This article for to be read and understood by native speakers of English language that is difficult. Grammar and used of the context are mixed up that you see. If I read and a bowl of alphabet soup that I read and that soup happened to randomly form sentences this article would be that soup I read.
 
2013-01-24 11:43:17 AM

I am Wee Todd Ed: -More than Reese went back in time and other humans had their own missions just like in the Sarah Connor chronicles. There's a cut scene in the first Terminator that shows a second guy teleoporting back intime but he teleported into a brick wall or something. Supposedly they cut it because the guy had a spoiler line like, "It was you Reese...you're the one...save her!"


He actually materialized into a fire escape and was cut in half, if I recall from the director's commentary about the film. There were supposed to be two coming back and one was killed in transit. But then the scene in T2 would be wrong cause Arnie materialized in a truck and the truck was destroyed because of his arrival.

I will second the "Give us the Dark Future" movie!
 
2013-01-24 11:51:20 AM

PirateKing: If he's in it, he should be the aging bodybuilder the terminators were modeled on. Not a terminator himself. He could be racked with guilt and living as a hermit because anyone who sees him freaks out in terror.

Also, plastic Arnold from Salvation was silly looking.

But they'll probably defeat Skynet by teaching it the power of Love or something.


The power of love is a curious thing
 
2013-01-24 11:54:18 AM
If we waited for the return of several films, both adapted and original sequels to 2013, as actors that they have not made any films, this is the turn of Arnold Schwarzenegger who after a flop on the big screen now returns with "Terminator 5".

I'd love to read TFA, but I'm stuck at the opening with this word salad clusterfark. I decided not to read more, but I'm assuming that at some point TFW of TFA pulls his head out of his ass long enough to say stuff that the headline stated, they are making a T5 and dusting off Arnie for it.
 
2013-01-24 11:58:19 AM

Ebenator: PirateKing: Also, plastic Arnold from Salvation was silly looking.

My lord, THIS. If you can't get Arnold, don't fake it. That fake Arnold was stupid.


You remember the scene in "The Running Man", where they digitally superimposed a face on an actor? That's just what they did for that scene in Salvation in real life.
 
2013-01-24 11:58:28 AM

yves0010: I am Wee Todd Ed: -More than Reese went back in time and other humans had their own missions just like in the Sarah Connor chronicles. There's a cut scene in the first Terminator that shows a second guy teleoporting back intime but he teleported into a brick wall or something. Supposedly they cut it because the guy had a spoiler line like, "It was you Reese...you're the one...save her!"

He actually materialized into a fire escape and was cut in half, if I recall from the director's commentary about the film. There were supposed to be two coming back and one was killed in transit. But then the scene in T2 would be wrong cause Arnie materialized in a truck and the truck was destroyed because of his arrival.

I will second the "Give us the Dark Future" movie!


I thought it created a bubble around them that obliterated matter around it. At least that is what happened in T2 and on forth.
 
2013-01-24 12:01:07 PM

delysid25: This article for to be read and understood by native speakers of English language that is difficult. Grammar and used of the context are mixed up that you see. If I read and a bowl of alphabet soup that I read and that soup happened to randomly form sentences this article would be that soup I read.


It's almost like meowsaidthedog wrote it
 
2013-01-24 12:04:33 PM

Jaws75: And when the cops asked Sarah Connor where Arnold was, even though he was identified by the cops in the first movie as a serial killer who liked to kill women named "Sarah Connor".


Actually, they didn't ask her where he was. They were asking her about additional information about him:

Mossberg: [showing a series of photographs taken with The Terminator] These were taken by a video surveillance camera, at the Westtown police station, in 1984. He killed 17 police officers that night. Men with families, children.
Weatherby: These were taken at a mall in Receda...
[shows two new photographs of The Terminator]
Weatherby: Today.
Mossberg: Ms. Connor, we know you know who this guy is. Look, I just sat here and told you that your son is missing, that the foster parents have been murdered. We know this guy's involved. Doesn't that mean anything to you? Don't you care?
[no response from Sarah as Weatherby waves a hand in front of her eyes]
Dr. Silberman: Sorry, guys. She grows more and more disconnected from reality as time goes on.


They can't reasonably expect that she'd provide them with a location, but a name, a type of car he drives, or other characteristics like that might help their investigation.

Remember, they think they are dealing with a regular person.

/Love how they named the cops after gun companies.
 
2013-01-24 12:05:21 PM

PsyLord: yves0010: I am Wee Todd Ed: -More than Reese went back in time and other humans had their own missions just like in the Sarah Connor chronicles. There's a cut scene in the first Terminator that shows a second guy teleoporting back intime but he teleported into a brick wall or something. Supposedly they cut it because the guy had a spoiler line like, "It was you Reese...you're the one...save her!"

He actually materialized into a fire escape and was cut in half, if I recall from the director's commentary about the film. There were supposed to be two coming back and one was killed in transit. But then the scene in T2 would be wrong cause Arnie materialized in a truck and the truck was destroyed because of his arrival.

I will second the "Give us the Dark Future" movie!

I thought it created a bubble around them that obliterated matter around it. At least that is what happened in T2 and on forth.


The original concept in T1 was that the person would materialize in place... but if a wall or a gate was in that spot. They would materialize inside it and die. T2 created the matter destroying bubble as a way to get rid of that little issue.
 
2013-01-24 12:12:56 PM
Old Aged Terminator model travels back to present day and busts John Connor out of rehab.

John Connor, a failed child actor after believing his mother that Judgement Day was averted and went into showbusiness, is convinced by the elderly Terminator that a New Dawn is coming in the year 2019.

It reveals that in 2019, a child will be born that will in time eradicate all sentient beings, as well as computers with Artificial Intelligence. The child will be born of the seed of the Short Running Intense One with the Big Nose and Misaligned Front Teeth and its surroagte mother, David Miscavige. It will feel no pain, no love, and will absolutely will not stop until you are dead. He will become known as the Tom-E-meter 1000.
 
2013-01-24 12:15:15 PM

LockeOak: Gordinho: The dude should let it go unless T5 is to be a self deprecating comedy featuring him and Danny Devito as mismatched psychotic cyborg killer twins on the hunt for Sarah Connor played by Emma Thompson...I'd watch that...

It could feature the T16, a robotic version of Frank from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia.


But where would they get the whomp-rats?
 
2013-01-24 12:25:36 PM
www.wearysloth.com

Up next Pongo's review of Terminator 5.....thousand.
 
2013-01-24 12:26:14 PM
LockeOak Gordinho: The dude should let it go unless T5 is to be a self deprecating comedy featuring him and Danny Devito as mismatched psychotic cyborg killer twins on the hunt for Sarah Connor played by Emma Thompson...I'd watch that...

It could feature the T16, a robotic version of Frank from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia.

But where would they get the whomp-rats?


from back home I guess...
 
2013-01-24 12:27:29 PM
My guess is that they will "borrow" from Star Trek TNG and have Arnold play the old robot maker who makes the T800 in his own image to help humans. The cyborg is reprogrammed by the bad robots and sent back in time to kill Connor. Of course, Arnold must go back in time to stop him.
 
2013-01-24 12:28:18 PM
Enjoy the movie, everybody.
media.moddb.com
 
2013-01-24 12:29:36 PM
What's the point?

What, did Ahnold need another paycheck? What, exactly, do they think they're going to get out of it? The original movie was released in 1984, for Christ's sake - what, nearly thirty goddamned years later, he's going to play...what? The same friggin' role?

Yeah. That'd be like remaking The Mary Tyler Moore show, and casting Betty White in her old role. Believable, right?
 
2013-01-24 12:31:08 PM

jaytkay: Enjoy the movie, everybody.
[media.moddb.com image 250x350]


Jesus. His nipple is just sliding the fark off, there. He looks like he's tooling around in a brand-new Edgar suit.
 
2013-01-24 12:33:00 PM

Pocket Ninja: Which means that Reese could have brought back weapons if they'd been inserted into him, but whatever.


I always wondered why they didn't just cut open a human corpse, stuff a phased plasma rifle in the 40-Watt range into it, and send that back too.
 
2013-01-24 12:39:23 PM

tricycleracer: Pocket Ninja: Which means that Reese could have brought back weapons if they'd been inserted into him, but whatever.

I always wondered why they didn't just cut open a human corpse, stuff a phased plasma rifle in the 40-Watt range into it, and send that back too.


*LIVING* tissue.

But nothing is stopping them from growing a living skin around such a weapon, and sending it back. User then strips the living tissue off.
 
2013-01-24 12:46:30 PM

dittybopper: tricycleracer: Pocket Ninja: Which means that Reese could have brought back weapons if they'd been inserted into him, but whatever.

I always wondered why they didn't just cut open a human corpse, stuff a phased plasma rifle in the 40-Watt range into it, and send that back too.

*LIVING* tissue.

But nothing is stopping them from growing a living skin around such a weapon, and sending it back. User then strips the living tissue off.


Just shove the gun up a cows ass and send it back in time, you only need it for a one way trip anyway.
 
2013-01-24 12:53:38 PM

Evil Mackerel: dittybopper: tricycleracer: Pocket Ninja: Which means that Reese could have brought back weapons if they'd been inserted into him, but whatever.

I always wondered why they didn't just cut open a human corpse, stuff a phased plasma rifle in the 40-Watt range into it, and send that back too.

*LIVING* tissue.

But nothing is stopping them from growing a living skin around such a weapon, and sending it back. User then strips the living tissue off.

Just shove the gun up a cows ass and send it back in time, you only need it for a one way trip anyway.



They only had rats in the future. I suppose a little rat-sized gun would be quite stinging though, especially if it hits the fleshy part of the arms or legs..
 
2013-01-24 12:54:05 PM

Pocket Ninja: I have carefully constructed a mental world in which there is only one Terminator movie, the first one, and all of the others never happened.


Nah. I think of Terminator as one of my all-time favorite movies, and Terminator 2 as little more than another in a long line of cheesy Hollywood big-budget action flicks. But that doesn't mean that Terminator 2 was universe shattering bad.

I mean, we're not talking about Matrix: The Quickening.
 
2013-01-24 12:58:00 PM

The Larch: I mean, we're not talking about Matrix: The Quickening.


There were no Matrix sequels, silly.
 
2013-01-24 12:58:21 PM
Terminator Salvation wasn't perfect, but it was better than Terminator 3. Better story, better acting, better mood.
 
2013-01-24 12:58:54 PM

GungFu: Evil Mackerel: dittybopper: tricycleracer: Pocket Ninja: Which means that Reese could have brought back weapons if they'd been inserted into him, but whatever.

I always wondered why they didn't just cut open a human corpse, stuff a phased plasma rifle in the 40-Watt range into it, and send that back too.

*LIVING* tissue.

But nothing is stopping them from growing a living skin around such a weapon, and sending it back. User then strips the living tissue off.

Just shove the gun up a cows ass and send it back in time, you only need it for a one way trip anyway.


They only had rats in the future. I suppose a little rat-sized gun would be quite stinging though, especially if it hits the fleshy part of the arms or legs..


Or send the gun back in pieces.
 
2013-01-24 01:00:11 PM

dittybopper: But nothing is stopping them from growing a living skin around such a weapon, and sending it back. User then strips the living tissue off.


Or:
altscreen.com
 
2013-01-24 01:00:53 PM
www.itusozluk.com

HATERS GONNA HATE
 
2013-01-24 01:06:17 PM
Meh, T2 entertained me when I was in high school. I think its massive flaws would bother me now. The original Terminator didn't age well at all. The movie didn't age well, either.

Pocket Ninja: I've killed three people over this very thing.


Listen, and understand. That Pocket Ninja is out there. He can't be bargained with. He can't be reasoned with. He doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And he absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead.

/ I'm not quite dead
 
2013-01-24 01:08:31 PM
You guys will deny anything that wasn't an instant classic won't you?

T3 was a decent movie! The Matrix Sequels were decent too! INDY 4 HAPPENED! THE PREQUELS HAPPENED! GET OUT OF THE BUBBLE AND ACCEPT IT!
 
2013-01-24 01:11:24 PM

Pocket Ninja: Ishkur: What, when Reese said

No, when Reese explained that only living tissue could travel back through time. Which was why he not only arrived naked but also had no effective weapons with which to fight the terminator. Because, hey, if he'd been able to bring back real weapons, that would have been a pretty boring movie, right? Lie in ambush, wait for the terminator to appear, ZAM! Ray gun, arnold's disintegrated. They even spent time explaining why the Terminator was able to go back...because, yes, he was a machine, but he was encased in living flesh. Which means that Reese could have brought back weapons if they'd been inserted into him, but whatever.

But then what do they go and send through time in Terminator 2? A farking robot made of liquid metal. Liquid farking metal. Yeah.


I would respond with:

1) They could have made a better time machine and
2) That rule was stupid, pointless, and made no sense. It is a lot more likely that, if you did find a way to travel through time with some type of physical limitation of that nature, it would be damaging to living tissue more than heartier materials, or at least if damaged by the process the metal would still be metal but the living tissue would be dead.

So basically, it was something that could easily be retconned, and should have been retconned anyways.

Point 1 is especially true if you consider that the later iterations of Terminators were clearly inferior to the T-1000 in every way, which means that the T-1000 came from an even more distant future (and the Terminator line borrowed its numbering system from the guys who make iPads).
 
2013-01-24 01:15:09 PM

Straight to doom: You guys will deny anything that wasn't an instant classic won't you?

T3 was a decent movie! The Matrix Sequels were decent too! INDY 4 HAPPENED! THE PREQUELS HAPPENED! GET OUT OF THE BUBBLE AND ACCEPT IT!


Quick call the nice men in the clean white suits. This fellow is delusional
 
2013-01-24 01:15:52 PM

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HATERS GONNA HATE


Damn, it's crazy how skinny he was. It's also a little strange to realize how small he was compared to today's body builders. During competition, Arnold claimed to be 6' 1" and 235 lbs. That makes him 50 lbs lighter and 4 inches taller than a modern bodybuilder like Jay Cutler.

Steroid stacks have become a lot more effective since the seventies.
 
2013-01-24 01:16:17 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Straight to doom: You guys will deny anything that wasn't an instant classic won't you?

T3 was a decent movie! The Matrix Sequels were decent too! INDY 4 HAPPENED! THE PREQUELS HAPPENED! GET OUT OF THE BUBBLE AND ACCEPT IT!

Quick call the nice men in the clean white suits. This fellow is delusional


Just because I see Mobile Suits whenever I drive my van does not mean I'm delusional!
 
2013-01-24 01:17:48 PM

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HATERS GONNA HATE


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He Farked this thing. Your Argument is invalid and futile. You're Terminated, Farker!
 
2013-01-24 01:18:52 PM
dittybopper: Actually, they didn't ask her where he was. They were asking her about additional information about him:

Mossberg: [showing a series of photographs taken with The Terminator] These were taken by a video surveillance camera, at the Westtown police station, in 1984. He killed 17 police officers that night. Men with families, children.
Weatherby: These were taken at a mall in Receda...
[shows two new photographs of The Terminator]
Weatherby: Today.
Mossberg: Ms. Connor, we know you know who this guy is. Look, I just sat here and told you that your son is missing, that the foster parents have been murdered. We know this guy's involved. Doesn't that mean anything to you? Don't you care?
[no response from Sarah as Weatherby waves a hand in front of her eyes]
Dr. Silberman: Sorry, guys. She grows more and more disconnected from reality as time goes on.

They can't reasonably expect that she'd provide them with a location, but a name, a type of car he drives, or other characteristics like that might help their investigation.

Remember, they think they are dealing with a regular person.

Actually, your posting of this dialog just proves my point. It would be like asking the survivor of a serial killer if she knows anything about the person who tried to kill her that the police can't figure out themselves. The police in this scene don't even bother to make the connection between the police massacre and her being in the police station at the time of the massacre--as if her being the target of the killer and the same killer killing cops are two completely different crimes. It's a horribly dumb scene, even by dumb movie cop standards. It also doesn't help that Dr. Silverman, the doctor who is treating Sarah in the loony bin, seems to forget that Sarah was stalked by a serial killer and that he was at the same police precinct that was massacred shortly after he left. Dumb, dumb, dumb.
 
2013-01-24 01:19:37 PM
I still say with technology the way it has advanced it is impossible to tell a good terminator story. I mean yea when Skynet is one single computer in a physical location it is easy to tell a story about it battling humanity. But now that pretty much every damn piece of technology is connected wirelessly how does a ragtag group of freedom fighters stop a skynet that is literally installed on 1000's of interconnected computers and can back itself up whenever it wants? Especially if skynet can be backed up on satellites in orbit?
 
2013-01-24 01:24:32 PM
he may be back but the fans won't.

Anyway I thought Joss W bought the franchise.
 
2013-01-24 01:26:26 PM

Elvis_Bogart: OK...if you're going to do this then DO IT RIGHT!  Spend some money and time on the goddamn script!  Make it a decent Sci-Fi story and not a CGI catch-phrase festival.

Don't fugg this up!


You saw the first one, right? It isn't the Citizen Kane people want it to be, just a really awesome action flick with one or two interesting ideas and pretty solid performances by the cast. Hell all the "good" catchphrases that didn't come from T2 were in this one (and T2 recycled most of the ones from this one anyway).
 
2013-01-24 01:39:47 PM

burndtdan: 2) That rule was stupid, pointless, and made no sense.


You're missing Pocket Ninja's point. Entirely. The rationale for the "living tissue" rule is completely irrelevant. They could've made the rule some sort of scientifically consistent stroke of genius that would cause the ghost of Carl Sagan to come back as a blue glowy just to smile down upon Hollywood, or it could be some SMeyer-esque horseshiat that the time travelers sparkle in daylight or something. The author of a fictional story has 100% control over the rules of their world. That's fine. But whatever those rules turn out to be, you have to obey the rules you make, or at least provide a satisfying explanation for why the rule doesn't apply anymore. T2 did neither.
 
2013-01-24 01:46:36 PM
They should just bring him back as the scientist/hacker of the original T-800. Old Ahnold building young Ahnold.
 
2013-01-24 01:46:56 PM

Ishkur: Here's how you fix the Terminator franchise:

First, let's pretend Salvation is not canon so we don't have to follow it up. It wasn't a bad movie, it was just a stupid story.

Fans of the Terminator franchise have been wanting to see a full-length feature film based on the gritty, nightmarish future scenes of the first film for 25 and what did Salvation do? Not an out and out military struggle under the cover of night against uncompromising machines intent on wiping out all humanity, but a sunny daylight soap opera jaunt by a confused android looking for his place in the world. The machine who learns to love humanity. The machine who doesn't know he's a machine. As if we didn't get enough of this "are they human?" tripe from BSG, now we have cylons in the farking Terminator Universe.

And the way it played out was dumb, hokey, cliched, and obvious, and an insult to the intelligence of any Sci-Fi fan. If I wanted introspective replicant bullshiat, I'd go watch Bladerunner.

fark you, McG.

Okay, so next film is a WAR FILM. A REAL gritty war film, with Private Ryan/Band of Brothers direction and cinematography. Set in the future that we are familiar with: Colonies of human stragglers gasping for survival, night raids, big hulking HKs, and phase plasma rifles in the 40 watt range. Straight forward plot about a campaign/mission (either led by John Connor, or ordered by him) to infiltrate a T-800 factory and priority 1: Capture it, cut it off from skynet and reprogram its hardware for the war effort and if that's not possible, priority 2: Destroy it, thereby eliminating any presence of Skynet in the area and earning the humans a little piece of real estate to rebuild their civilization (for awhile). That's it. No wishy washy bullshiat, no human interest drama, no more "machines trying to understand humanity", and no human personifications of skynet. It's a computer, it has mathematically calculated humanity's termination -- it does not require a rosy rationale for its decision.

Now, someone dig up the corpse of Steven Ambrose and let's make this happen.


Winner.
 
2013-01-24 01:48:48 PM

dragonchild: You're missing Pocket Ninja's point. Entirely. The rationale for the "living tissue" rule is completely irrelevant. They could've made the rule some sort of scientifically consistent stroke of genius that would cause the ghost of Carl Sagan to come back as a blue glowy just to smile down upon Hollywood, or it could be some SMeyer-esque horseshiat that the time travelers sparkle in daylight or something. The author of a fictional story has 100% control over the rules of their world. That's fine. But whatever those rules turn out to be, you have to obey the rules you make, or at least provide a satisfying explanation for why the rule doesn't apply anymore. T2 did neither.


I always thought that the reason why only biological material could go back in time was a rule that Skynet built into its time machines as a way of determining which technologies go back in time and which could not. Thus, flesh-covered Terminators could go back to change the past, but human resistance fighters couldn't follow them with plasma rifles that could quickly destroy the Terminators. Regardless, you're right--T2 threw out many of the rules established in T1, thus making it a weak sequel.
 
2013-01-24 01:50:36 PM

carrion_luggage: [www.itusozluk.com image 540x732]

HATERS GONNA HATE


DAMMIT, LIEFELD!
 
2013-01-24 01:55:01 PM
I didn't even know it was possible to hate T2. I've learned something new today.
 
2013-01-24 01:57:37 PM
fark it, let's just make a movie combining all the time travelers.

We can have two sets of Bill and Ted, Doc Brown and Marty McFly, a couple of The Doctors, the Terminator, Bruce Willis from Thirteen Monkeys, Bruce Willis from Looper, and Kyle Reese.

And they all get stolen out of time and brought back by a mystery man to stop an insane H.G. Wells from destroying time-space in a fit of mad rage with his Time Machine.

And at the end of the movie, the mystery man turns out to be President Obama with his magic Time Machine.
 
2013-01-24 01:59:19 PM

Pocket Ninja: Ishkur: What, when Reese said

No, when Reese explained that only living tissue could travel back through time. Which was why he not only arrived naked but also had no effective weapons with which to fight the terminator. Because, hey, if he'd been able to bring back real weapons, that would have been a pretty boring movie, right? Lie in ambush, wait for the terminator to appear, ZAM! Ray gun, arnold's disintegrated. They even spent time explaining why the Terminator was able to go back...because, yes, he was a machine, but he was encased in living flesh. Which means that Reese could have brought back weapons if they'd been inserted into him, but whatever.

But then what do they go and send through time in Terminator 2? A farking robot made of liquid metal. Liquid farking metal. Yeah.


Doo to de events of Terminatah 1, specificlee the technology left beehind, 1980s scienteests had a jump staht on technologicahl developments that occurred naturally in de unahltered tymelyne. Dey where able to make a slightly newah and improoved time deesplacement system. Allowing liquid metal to travel back to de past to continue dere hunt for Sarah and John Connah.

/Ahnuld off
 
2013-01-24 02:02:20 PM

Jaws75: Actually, your posting of this dialog just proves my point. It would be like asking the survivor of a serial killer if she knows anything about the person who tried to kill her that the police can't figure out themselves. The police in this scene don't even bother to make the connection between the police massacre and her being in the police station at the time of the massacre--as if her being the target of the killer and the same killer killing cops are two completely different crimes. It's a horribly dumb scene, even by dumb movie cop standards. It also doesn't help that Dr. Silverman, the doctor who is treating Sarah in the loony bin, seems to forget that Sarah was stalked by a serial killer and that he was at the same police precinct that was massacred shortly after he left. Dumb, dumb, dumb.


You do know that police agencies don't accept the really smart people, right?

Look at it from their perspective (and remember that we come into that scene after they've already asked her stuff): There was a person killing people named "Sarah Conner" back then. The same person killed a bunch of cops, and then just disappears, as does Sarah.

From their perspective, since she disappeared immediately after the attack on the police station, along with the "serial killer", she might know who he is.

Later on, she shows up, all butched up and militarified, and attacks some random company. She gets put in a secure mental institution. Then the serial killer shows up again, and her son goes missing.

What else are they going to do?

They are essentially grasping at straws, hoping that perhaps some information she may have from when she was "missing" might possibly shed some light, or at least give them some faint leads to start checking. They might reasonably assume the guy in those pictures trained her: They both disappeared, and Reese was dead.
 
2013-01-24 02:06:38 PM

Elvis_Bogart: OK...if you're going to do this then DO IT RIGHT!  Spend some money and time on the goddamn script!  Make it a decent Sci-Fi story and not a CGI catch-phrase festival.

Don't fugg this up!


Okay, after Skynet has tried sending all manner of upgraded Terminators back into the past to rewrite John Conner out of history, they find themselves stumped by the T-800. So after decades of quantum computing, they finally devise an automaton that our hero just can't resist.

images.wikia.com


MEGAMAID!!
 
2013-01-24 02:07:39 PM

GungFu: Evil Mackerel: dittybopper: tricycleracer: Pocket Ninja: Which means that Reese could have brought back weapons if they'd been inserted into him, but whatever.

I always wondered why they didn't just cut open a human corpse, stuff a phased plasma rifle in the 40-Watt range into it, and send that back too.

*LIVING* tissue.

But nothing is stopping them from growing a living skin around such a weapon, and sending it back. User then strips the living tissue off.

Just shove the gun up a cows ass and send it back in time, you only need it for a one way trip anyway.


They only had rats in the future. I suppose a little rat-sized gun would be quite stinging though, especially if it hits the fleshy part of the arms or legs..


www.vh1.com
 
2013-01-24 02:10:31 PM

dittybopper: They are essentially grasping at straws, hoping that perhaps some information she may have from when she was "missing" might possibly shed some light, or at least give them some faint leads to start checking. They might reasonably assume the guy in those pictures trained her: They both disappeared, and Reese was dead.


They're also being told Sarah Connor is a psycho, that she's losing touch with reality more and more every day (yes, Silberman says it at the end of that exchange, but it's highly likely - expected, even - that the cops'd have been briefed by Silberman on her condition beforehand). So that line of questioning may be more to establish that she has anything going on behind the eyes than to glean anything useful. If she'd been able to answer them, or at the least show that she was concerned for little Johnny, they'd press further. They couldn't even get past "Name, Rank, Serial Number".

The fact that they try and use her son to get her attention supports that hypothesis - she may not care about faceless cops with families, but a Mama Grizzly always protects her Cubs.
 
2013-01-24 02:10:52 PM
I heard that they are doing a Back to the Future 4, but the details are a little shaky......
 
2013-01-24 02:11:09 PM
So, nursing homes filled with deadly Terminators? And somehow senior citizen power defeats the future?
Or are the Terminators themselves old, and therefore easier to beat, like, you know, slow, mechanical zombies? But why would the future make those? Why?
 
2013-01-24 02:27:29 PM

rassleholic: carrion_luggage: [www.itusozluk.com image 540x732]

HATERS GONNA HATE

DAMMIT, LIEFELD!


I'm starting to think he is a mad genius, a poor man's Picasso, who teaches us the far boundaries of human anatomy that once were thought to exist only in his fevered brain.
 
2013-01-24 02:36:02 PM

dragonchild: burndtdan: 2) That rule was stupid, pointless, and made no sense.

You're missing Pocket Ninja's point. Entirely. The rationale for the "living tissue" rule is completely irrelevant. They could've made the rule some sort of scientifically consistent stroke of genius that would cause the ghost of Carl Sagan to come back as a blue glowy just to smile down upon Hollywood, or it could be some SMeyer-esque horseshiat that the time travelers sparkle in daylight or something. The author of a fictional story has 100% control over the rules of their world. That's fine. But whatever those rules turn out to be, you have to obey the rules you make, or at least provide a satisfying explanation for why the rule doesn't apply anymore. T2 did neither.


Given that they are using the exact same method for travelling, which isn't a given.
 
2013-01-24 02:46:28 PM

dragonchild: burndtdan: 2) That rule was stupid, pointless, and made no sense.

You're missing Pocket Ninja's point. Entirely. The rationale for the "living tissue" rule is completely irrelevant. They could've made the rule some sort of scientifically consistent stroke of genius that would cause the ghost of Carl Sagan to come back as a blue glowy just to smile down upon Hollywood, or it could be some SMeyer-esque horseshiat that the time travelers sparkle in daylight or something. The author of a fictional story has 100% control over the rules of their world. That's fine. But whatever those rules turn out to be, you have to obey the rules you make, or at least provide a satisfying explanation for why the rule doesn't apply anymore. T2 did neither.


Yep. Remember they even lampshade it in the original when Reese blurts "I don't know, I didn't build the farking thing." All he knows is that only meat goes through.it probably wouldn't have taken much effort to explain that less complicated metals can't go through, or they upgraded the process in the meantime, or maybe it screws with lesser circuitry. Who knows? What happens when you try to put a metal thing through the time machine? Nothing? It explodes? Sent to a parallel dimension?

As is, it's like when Beatrix Kiddo's daughter declares herself "pervious to bullets."
 
2013-01-24 02:48:18 PM

dittybopper: You do know that police agencies don't accept the really smart people, right?


And you do know that Hollywood doesn't always produce smart scripts, right?

Look at it from their perspective (and remember that we come into that scene after they've already asked her stuff): There was a person killing people named "Sarah Conner" back then. The same person killed a bunch of cops, and then just disappears, as does Sarah. From their perspective, since she disappeared immediately after the attack on the police station, along with the "serial killer", she might know who he is.

That REALLY is a dumb conclusion. He was trying to kill her and killed her roommate, her roommate's boyfriend, patrons in a nightclub AND an entire police precinct just to get to her; thus, even the dumbest of cops could figure out that she was hiding from her killer, not trying to figure out who her killer is. Also, she didn't disappear for long--she went to the hospital at the end of T1 for her injuries, remember?

Later on, she shows up, all butched up and militarified, and attacks some random company. She gets put in a secure mental institution. Then the serial killer shows up again, and her son goes missing. What else are they going to do? They are essentially grasping at straws, hoping that perhaps some information she may have from when she was "missing" might possibly shed some light, or at least give them some faint leads to start checking. They might reasonably assume the guy in those pictures trained her.

So the killer who tried so hard to kill Sarah--so hard that the cops knew that someone was trying to kill Sarah and it was reported in the evening news--would then train her to attack companies. That's a "reasonable" assumption in your opinion?

Face it: That scene was poorly scripted in a weak sequel. The cops weren't dumb; the scriptwriter was.
 
2013-01-24 03:00:42 PM

Decillion: Gremlins


Awful.

At least Gremlins 2 flat out embraced it's stupidity and made the thing a flat out comedy.

It also gave us this.

/"This is worse then the first one!"
//"We just SHOW these movies mad'am, we don't MAKE them"
 
2013-01-24 03:06:36 PM

Evil Mackerel: Just shove the gun up a cows ass


I'd rather take the butcher's word for it.
 
2013-01-24 03:16:20 PM

KingKauff: PirateKing: If he's in it, he should be the aging bodybuilder the terminators were modeled on. Not a terminator himself. He could be racked with guilt and living as a hermit because anyone who sees him freaks out in terror.

Also, plastic Arnold from Salvation was silly looking.

But they'll probably defeat Skynet by teaching it the power of Love or something.

The power of love is a curious thing


It makes one man weep.
 
2013-01-24 03:17:19 PM
The article made me think I was reading an attempt to describe a computer problem in a help desk ticket.
 
2013-01-24 03:19:47 PM

Jaws75: So the killer who tried so hard to kill Sarah--so hard that the cops knew that someone was trying to kill Sarah and it was reported in the evening news--would then train her to attack companies. That's a "reasonable" assumption in your opinion?


OK, let's look at the facts at the police know them:

1. Some guy was killing people named Sarah Connor.
2. The police find Sarah Connor and also capture some guy who kidnapper her.
3. Someone comes into the police station where Sarah and "Future Boy" Reese are held, and kills everyone inside, except for Connor and Reese who disappear.
4. Later, the police find Reese's body, but the man who attacked the station and Sarah Connor are both missing.
5. Years after, Sarah Connor turns up, and is no longer a mousy waitress, but a seriously dangerous woman.

Given just what the police know, they could spin a theory in which Reese was the serial killer and the person who attacked the police station was there to "rescue" Sarah from the police. They can't really check on who she was hanging out with, because both her room-mate and her mother are dead.

For all they know, Sarah Connor could have been another Caril Ann Fugate, and that guy in the pictures is her Charles Starkweather. This might even be supported by her obvious mental issues.

It would be an *INCORRECT* theory, of course, but it would be supported by some of the facts as they know them. At the very least, it's something to investigate.
 
2013-01-24 03:29:45 PM

NickelP: Pocket Ninja: Ishkur: What, when Reese said

No, when Reese explained that only living tissue could travel back through time. Which was why he not only arrived naked but also had no effective weapons with which to fight the terminator. Because, hey, if he'd been able to bring back real weapons, that would have been a pretty boring movie, right? Lie in ambush, wait for the terminator to appear, ZAM! Ray gun, arnold's disintegrated. They even spent time explaining why the Terminator was able to go back...because, yes, he was a machine, but he was encased in living flesh. Which means that Reese could have brought back weapons if they'd been inserted into him, but whatever.

But then what do they go and send through time in Terminator 2? A farking robot made of liquid metal. Liquid farking metal. Yeah.

If we are going to get all nit picky they would of just sent the terminator back to the 1800's and let him squash john's great great great grandpa with his bare hands in some cabin in the woods somewhere.


Suddenly I picture Sarah Connor trying to get Doc Brown to help her get back to the Future - that's sad!

\'Is the gravitational constant altered in the future?'
 
2013-01-24 03:30:26 PM

dittybopper: tricycleracer: Pocket Ninja: Which means that Reese could have brought back weapons if they'd been inserted into him, but whatever.

I always wondered why they didn't just cut open a human corpse, stuff a phased plasma rifle in the 40-Watt range into it, and send that back too.

*LIVING* tissue.

But nothing is stopping them from growing a living skin around such a weapon, and sending it back. User then strips the living tissue off.


There was a Terminator comic book that showed the machines force feeding human prisoners until they were grossly obese, then cutting out their fat cells and stuffing them full of guns and supplies into their now floppy skin-sack bodies.

They'd be sent through along with a Terminator, who would then immediately rip them apart and collect his gear.
 
2013-01-24 03:36:07 PM

GungFu: Evil Mackerel: dittybopper: tricycleracer: Pocket Ninja: Which means that Reese could have brought back weapons if they'd been inserted into him, but whatever.

I always wondered why they didn't just cut open a human corpse, stuff a phased plasma rifle in the 40-Watt range into it, and send that back too.

*LIVING* tissue.

But nothing is stopping them from growing a living skin around such a weapon, and sending it back. User then strips the living tissue off.

Just shove the gun up a cows ass and send it back in time, you only need it for a one way trip anyway.


They only had rats in the future. I suppose a little rat-sized gun would be quite stinging though, especially if it hits the fleshy part of the arms or legs..


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-24 03:36:32 PM

dittybopper: OK, let's look at the facts at the police know them:

1. Some guy was killing people named Sarah Connor.
2. The police find Sarah Connor and also capture some guy who kidnapper her.
3. Someone comes into the police station where Sarah and "Future Boy" Reese are held, and kills everyone inside, except for Connor and Reese who disappear.
4. Later, the police find Reese's body, but the man who attacked the station and Sarah Connor are both missing.
5. Years after, Sarah Connor turns up, and is no longer a mousy waitress, but a seriously dangerous woman.


Sarah wasn't missing when Reese's body was found; she was put in an ambulance as he was being put in a body bag. Are you sure that you saw T1?

Given just what the police know, they could spin a theory in which Reese was the serial killer and the person who attacked the police station was there to "rescue" Sarah from the police. They can't really check on who she was hanging out with, because both her room-mate and her mother are dead.Except that can't spin that theory because Sarah was with Reese when they found her the first time and she was unharmed. Given the killer's pattern, he would've killed her in the nightclub or shortly thereafter. For all they know, Sarah Connor could have been another Caril Ann Fugate, and that guy in the pictures is her Charles Starkweather. This might even be supported by her obvious mental issues.

You just refuse to admit that T2 is a poorly written film, don't you? Here's the facts: Jim Cameron needed a hit after The Abyss tanked at the box office, so he made a Terminator sequel with Arnold as the good guy so he could prove to the studios that he can made blockbuster films. He plan worked because Arnold was popular enough at the time and the morphing special effects for the T-1000 were still new and they wowed audiences, but that doesn't mean that T2 is actually a good sequel.
 
2013-01-24 03:39:40 PM
Maybe if they had Roland Kickinger as his body double... or if they used the same CG artists that turned shirtless Nicolas Cage into an action figure in "Ghost Rider."
 
2013-01-24 03:51:44 PM

Jaws75: So the killer who tried so hard to kill Sarah--so hard that the cops knew that someone was trying to kill Sarah and it was reported in the evening news--would then train her to attack companies. That's a "reasonable" assumption in your opinion?


It's happened before.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-01-24 03:55:14 PM

Ishkur: Jaws75: So the killer who tried so hard to kill Sarah--so hard that the cops knew that someone was trying to kill Sarah and it was reported in the evening news--would then train her to attack companies. That's a "reasonable" assumption in your opinion?

It's happened before.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 288x365]


You just came up with a more interesting Terminator sequel than T2. Kudos to you!
 
2013-01-24 03:57:04 PM

Fano: Yep. Remember they even lampshade it in the original when Reese blurts "I don't know, I didn't build the farking thing." All he knows is that only meat goes through.it probably wouldn't have taken much effort to explain that less complicated metals can't go through, or they upgraded the process in the meantime, or maybe it screws with lesser circuitry. Who knows? What happens when you try to put a metal thing through the time machine? Nothing? It explodes? Sent to a parallel dimension?


As I said earlier in the thread, it obviously runs on a massive amount of electro-magnetic energy (enough to arc static electricity several metres in every direction at the destination point), which would be very hazardous to circuitry and metal, but fairly benign to biological matter so long as it doesn't touch ground. IIRC, Reese materialized in the air for this reason. He still remarked that the experience was very painful.
 
2013-01-24 03:59:42 PM

mechgreg: I still say with technology the way it has advanced it is impossible to tell a good terminator story. I mean yea when Skynet is one single computer in a physical location it is easy to tell a story about it battling humanity. But now that pretty much every damn piece of technology is connected wirelessly how does a ragtag group of freedom fighters stop a skynet that is literally installed on 1000's of interconnected computers and can back itself up whenever it wants? Especially if skynet can be backed up on satellites in orbit?


Snake Pliskin just types in 666.
 
2013-01-24 05:13:44 PM
If we waited for the return of several films, some are sequels and others are adapted to 2013, as actors that they have not made any films, this is the turn of Arnold Schwarzenegger who after a flop on the big screen now returns with "Terminator 5".

I've read this sentence 10 times and it still doesn't make any sense. Was this story run through Google translate from some other language?


KingKauff: delysid25: This article for to be read and understood by native speakers of English language that is difficult. Grammar and used of the context are mixed up that you see. If I read and a bowl of alphabet soup that I read and that soup happened to randomly form sentences this article would be that soup I read.

It's almost like meowsaidthedog wrote it


Whew! Glad I'm not the only one.
 
2013-01-24 05:24:47 PM
Stuff I'd like to see in a new movie or maybe they clarify better:

-The T1000 was the first terminator to go back in time. Skynet knew more details about John Connors whereabouts in the 1990s than it did about Sarah's in the 1980s. So it first sent it's one and only T1000 back in time to the 1990s to kill John Connor because logically it would have a greater chance of killing him. The T800 because it was an inferior model to the T1000 was sent to the 1980s and the details of Sarah's life at that time aren't that well known to Skynet.

-Arnold/T800 had other missions other than to kill Sara Connor. He was to set certain things in motion: he mets a genius computer science grad student and tells him about ideas and theories that later develop into Cyberdyne systems.

-More than Reese went back in time and other humans had their own missions just like in the Sarah Connor chronicles. There's a cut scene in the first Terminator that shows a second guy teleoporting back intime but he teleported into a brick wall or something. Supposedly they cut it because the guy had a spoiler line like, "It was you Reese...you're the one...save her!"

-Skynet has a core conscious and maybe realizes that eliminating all humans was a mistake

-Skynet downloaded itself into a T800, when back in time to live with humans and maybe tries to help humanity.

-Arnold is not just some special forces soldier that Skynet used as a model for the T800 but is an important person in John Connor's future. John mets the real life Arnold later in his life and this guy is important somehow to the defeat of Skynet.



I have to say I dont have an issue with any of these things. Why the movie made such an effort to distance itself from "The Sarah Connor Chronicles" is beyond me. The idea that the T-model became an independent AI from Skynet always seemed to be a great idea. "The Last Voyage of the Jimmy Carter" were pretty cool episodes.

By the way, fark You Kevin Reilly (FOX entertainment chair).
 
2013-01-24 05:44:35 PM
I think we're all missing the really big news of that article......they're doing a followup to Twins.....with Eddie Murphy as the triplet to Devito & Arnie?

That's GOT to be a 9.7 on the Pluto Nash Suck-O-Meter scale.......
 
2013-01-24 05:47:31 PM
"We hope that Arnold not need replacement parts as occurred with his beloved Terminator, as the actor has been occasionally in the hospital from injuries sustained in some films that he has shot lately."

He'll live.
 
2013-01-24 05:53:17 PM
T2 was so f'ing fun in theaters, really surprised so many people calling it weak. The movies are about robots from the future, it isn't Citizen Kane. Pretend the robots improved their tech before sending back the liquid metal terminator if it helps you sleep at night.

I mean, why didn't they send back 5 terminators in T1? If Reese could time travel why didn't he try to kill Dyson, which seems like a better use of time than trying to save the mom of a leader who apparently couldn't win the war anyway. Why doesn't Arnold go back with a backup of Skynet on his head drive so he can initiate the apocalypse before John is even there to be born and thwart them?

Whatever, I came to see a helicopter fly under a bridge. T1 has aged pretty poorly IMO, T2 much better.
 
2013-01-24 06:03:21 PM

mlkmandan: I think we're all missing the really big news of that article......they're doing a followup to Twins.....with Eddie Murphy as the triplet to Devito & Arnie?

That's GOT to be a 9.7 on the Pluto Nash Suck-O-Meter scale.......


By Ares that was what I was thinking was the bigger issue and only seeing one comment about it frightens me. It is going to suck so hard, I miss an Eddie Murphy that swears.
 
2013-01-24 06:34:50 PM
yaghi.chem.ucla.edu
Metal Organic Frameworks. Boom, there's your living metal loophole.
 
2013-01-24 09:06:43 PM
Terminator 5? The last Terminator movie was Terminator 2. There were no more movies. LALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU! LALALALA! No other movies! LALALALA!
 
2013-01-24 10:04:58 PM

EngineerAU: Terminator 5? The last Terminator movie was Terminator 2. There were no more movies. LALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU! LALALALA! No other movies! LALALALA!


Y'know, that shtick just never gets old.

Oh wait a minute.

Yes, it did. Just now.
 
2013-01-24 10:25:01 PM

flaminio: EngineerAU: Terminator 5? The last Terminator movie was Terminator 2. There were no more movies. LALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU! LALALALA! No other movies! LALALALA!

Y'know, that shtick just never gets old.

Oh wait a minute.

Yes, it did. Just now.


Welcome to Fark.
 
2013-01-24 11:00:50 PM

flaminio: EngineerAU: Terminator 5? The last Terminator movie was Terminator 2. There were no more movies. LALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU! LALALALA! No other movies! LALALALA!

Y'know, that shtick just never gets old.

Oh wait a minute.

Yes, it did. Just now.


True, it is a bit annoying to do the "there were no other movies" shtick but T2 left it open ended and actually hopeful. Since Judgement Day was "postponed" that alone proved that the future can be changed and since time travel stories never make any sense anyway, there could be a universe where there is no Judgement Day.
 
2013-01-24 11:08:52 PM

Jaws75: You just refuse to admit that T2 is a poorly written film, don't you? Here's the facts: Jim Cameron needed a hit after The Abyss tanked at the box office, so he made a Terminator sequel with Arnold as the good guy so he could prove to the studios that he can made blockbuster films. He plan worked because Arnold was popular enough at the time and the morphing special effects for the T-1000 were still new and they wowed audiences, but that doesn't mean that T2 is actually a good sequel.


It's a good action film. It's biggest problem is that the script clearly keeps us in the dark about Arnie being the good guy and Patrick being the baddie, right up to the point they both catch up with John, but the movies marketing was months of "Arnie is back! And this time he's a good guy!!"

Hell the trailer just about gives away everything.
 
x23
2013-01-24 11:15:36 PM

dittybopper: Ebenator: PirateKing: Also, plastic Arnold from Salvation was silly looking.

My lord, THIS. If you can't get Arnold, don't fake it. That fake Arnold was stupid.

You remember the scene in "The Running Man", where they digitally superimposed a face on an actor? That's just what they did for that scene in Salvation in real life.



the head they scanned to make that face swap wasn't technically even Arnolds. it was a couple generations removed.

they scanned the mold used to make the cheesy looking animatronic Arnold from the first movie (when he cuts his eye out). the body they used was the guy that played Arnold in some biographical film about him.

i actually thought it was decently effective in Salvation though. if they tried doing it for an entire movie... that would be pretty stupid.

my bigger issue is that the T-800 is supposed to be an "infiltration unit" designed to sneak into human compounds. seems like if they all look the same it kind of defeats the purpose. in the original Terminator they show that flash-forward with a non-Arnold looking T-800 getting into a base. but pretty much ever since then it has been all T-800s all look like Arnold. seems counterproductive.
 
2013-01-24 11:34:25 PM

x23: my bigger issue is that the T-800 is supposed to be an "infiltration unit" designed to sneak into human compounds. seems like if they all look the same it kind of defeats the purpose. in the original Terminator they show that flash-forward with a non-Arnold looking T-800 getting into a base. but pretty much ever since then it has been all T-800s all look like Arnold. seems counterproductive.


Arnold is Cyberdyne Systems Model 101. (maybe Franco Columbo in the first movie was model 102).

There are, undoubtedly, many more models, quite possibly hundreds (collect 'em all!). It is peculiar that they keep using the same model for these time travel missions, but hey -- it's just a movie.
 
2013-01-25 05:24:26 AM
Never liked the second movie myself, didn't watch more. Between the scenes of the teenager bonding with the machine father figure, Sarah going on anti-man rants at least once, and trying to prevent the events from the first movie from ever happening.. I never watched it a second time.
 
2013-01-25 06:26:10 AM
I would like to see Arnie play a T-101 in which his living tissue has aged. Maybe a terminator that got stuck back in time and has just waited, preserving itself in case the resistance were to actually erase the existence of skynet. A sort of backup plan or a sleeper cell. They can't possibly create the illusion that he is right off of the assembly line, looking as old as he is.
 
2013-01-25 06:29:41 AM
For me, Salvation was confusing a I had read the book that takes place between 3 & 4 that explain Hohm Connors wife, the appearance of Reese as a teen etc. it explained a lot of Connors angst regarding who he could trust etc.

Knowing those things then watching Batman flail his way through T-4 ruined it for me.
 
2013-01-25 06:31:06 AM
Where the fark did "Hohm" come from? John! JOHN is what I toyed.

/stupid autocorrect
 
2013-01-25 06:32:43 AM
GODDAMMITSOMUCH!!!

TYPED!!!
/preview being my friend and all
//tools are only helpful if you use them!
 
2013-01-25 07:24:26 AM

Jaws75: Sarah wasn't missing when Reese's body was found; she was put in an ambulance as he was being put in a body bag. Are you sure that you saw T1?


And what happens after that? She goes underground and disappears. The police don't find the guy who killed the cops, but they *DO* have the body of a suspect in the "phonebook killings", someone who, along with Sarah Connor, managed to "escape" from the bloodbath at the police station. They don't get any useful information from her.

Convenient, huh?

You just refuse to admit that T2 is a poorly written film, don't you? Here's the facts: Jim Cameron needed a hit after The Abyss tanked at the box office, so he made a Terminator sequel with Arnold as the good guy so he could prove to the studios that he can made blockbuster films. He plan worked because Arnold was popular enough at the time and the morphing special effects for the T-1000 were still new and they wowed audiences, but that doesn't mean that T2 is actually a good sequel.

I think T2 is actually a pretty decent film. In some non-technical ways, it's actually better than the first.
 
2013-01-25 07:39:52 AM
T3 would have been perfect if the TX just walked around naked the whole entire time...
 
2013-01-25 08:01:54 AM
I think the biggest plot hole of the first film is:

Why would a Terminator need a gun with a scope on it?
 
2013-01-25 08:12:38 AM

Ishkur: I think the biggest plot hole of the first film is:

Why would a Terminator need a gun with a scope on it?


Call of duty has taught me that it automatically makes my gun more accurate. So with the T-800's natural accuracy, plus the scope, his accuracy should be the full bar!
 
2013-01-25 08:16:33 AM

Jim from Saint Paul: Ishkur: I think the biggest plot hole of the first film is:

Why would a Terminator need a gun with a scope on it?

Call of duty has taught me that it automatically makes my gun more accurate. So with the T-800's natural accuracy, plus the scope, his accuracy should be the full bar!


A scope merely allows you to miss more precisely.
 
2013-01-25 08:49:08 AM

Jim from Saint Paul: Call of duty has taught me that it automatically makes my gun more accurate. So with the T-800's natural accuracy, plus the scope, his accuracy should be the full bar!


Yes, he really needed to be accurate to gun down that woman in her home six times from point blank range.
 
2013-01-25 09:00:36 AM

Ishkur: There are, undoubtedly, many more models, quite possibly hundreds (collect 'em all!). It is peculiar that they keep using the same model for these time travel missions, but hey -- it's just a movie.


They explained in the third movie that the Arnold model was used because of the other one's connection with John Connor. Why the same model was used in the second movie as the first, that's where "it's just a movie" comes in. But they did show in a flash back that there are different models. They all have to be big though I guess to hold the endo skeleton.
 
2013-01-25 09:07:57 AM

Jim from Saint Paul: Ishkur: I think the biggest plot hole of the first film is:

Why would a Terminator need a gun with a scope on it?

Call of duty has taught me that it automatically makes my gun more accurate. So with the T-800's natural accuracy, plus the scope, his accuracy should be the full bar!


But what if you throw in Left 4 Dead 2's laser sights? Those are suppose to increase accuracy as well. Then again, in T1, did the T-800's pistol have a scope and laser site?
 
2013-01-25 09:15:48 AM

yves0010: Then again, in T1, did the T-800's pistol have a scope and laser site?


thefilmexperience.net

That's all he used for the first half of the movie.
 
2013-01-25 09:18:11 AM

Ishkur: yves0010: Then again, in T1, did the T-800's pistol have a scope and laser site?

[thefilmexperience.net image 672x360]

That's all he used for the first half of the movie.


Plus he sees in red so he wouldn't even be able to see the laser scope. But it looked cool and back then it was new to me.
 
2013-01-25 09:50:28 AM
Terminator 3 > Terminator: Salvation.

/that movie was so corny
 
2013-01-25 09:56:32 AM
3 MOVIES. 3 movies setting up the Future War. And the first in the "new trilogy" focuses on... a tangential non-canon character? A 3rd season of The Sarah Connor Chronicles would've done a better job.
 
2013-01-25 09:59:21 AM

Ishkur: yves0010: Then again, in T1, did the T-800's pistol have a scope and laser site?

[thefilmexperience.net image 672x360]

That's all he used for the first half of the movie.


Thats why I thought he had a scope on his pistol. It was an over the barrel laser sight. It has been to long since I watched T1 and T2. Thanks for reminding me.
 
2013-01-25 10:37:14 AM

Already Disturbed: A 3rd season of The Sarah Connor Chronicles would've done a better job.


That was a pretty good show, got the box set. It obviously wasn't very expensive.

/poor Summer Glau
 
2013-01-25 11:01:56 AM

yves0010: Ishkur: yves0010: Then again, in T1, did the T-800's pistol have a scope and laser site?

[thefilmexperience.net image 672x360]

That's all he used for the first half of the movie.

Thats why I thought he had a scope on his pistol. It was an over the barrel laser sight. It has been to long since I watched T1 and T2. Thanks for reminding me.


Consider this: An equivalent laser sight can now be built right into the handgrips of a gun, instead of being some huge tube on top of a big pistol.

/We've come a long way, Baby.
 
2013-01-25 12:53:56 PM

Ishkur: yves0010: Then again, in T1, did the T-800's pistol have a scope and laser site?

[thefilmexperience.net image 672x360]

That's all he used for the first half of the movie.


Why would he even need a scope or a laser sight?
 
2013-01-25 01:15:47 PM

Evil Mackerel: Ishkur: yves0010: Then again, in T1, did the T-800's pistol have a scope and laser site?

[thefilmexperience.net image 672x360]

That's all he used for the first half of the movie.

Why would he even need a scope or a laser sight?



Do we even know he has a permanent internal scope? He does in some shots but not all.

theandrewmiller.com

/but like I said, that red dot would be hard for him to see anyway
 
2013-01-25 01:59:04 PM

Mugato: Evil Mackerel: Ishkur: yves0010: Then again, in T1, did the T-800's pistol have a scope and laser site?

[thefilmexperience.net image 672x360]

That's all he used for the first half of the movie.

Why would he even need a scope or a laser sight?


Do we even know he has a permanent internal scope? He does in some shots but not all.

[theandrewmiller.com image 480x268]

/but like I said, that red dot would be hard for him to see anyway


Not necessarily.

I actually get the impression from the films that the red coloring of his view is a representation of near-infrared vision. It shouldn't be taken as literal that he can only see in red, either: When Sarah asks him in T2 if he can see anything after he turns the headlights off in the car, he says "I see everything". That suggests multispectral vision, and some sort of ambient light amplification.
 
2013-01-25 02:30:37 PM

Flint Ironstag: Jaws75: You just refuse to admit that T2 is a poorly written film, don't you? Here's the facts: Jim Cameron needed a hit after The Abyss tanked at the box office, so he made a Terminator sequel with Arnold as the good guy so he could prove to the studios that he can made blockbuster films. He plan worked because Arnold was popular enough at the time and the morphing special effects for the T-1000 were still new and they wowed audiences, but that doesn't mean that T2 is actually a good sequel.

It's a good action film. It's biggest problem is that the script clearly keeps us in the dark about Arnie being the good guy and Patrick being the baddie, right up to the point they both catch up with John, but the movies marketing was months of "Arnie is back! And this time he's a good guy!!"

Hell the trailer just about gives away everything.


Not as bad as the trailer to "what lies beneath." I thought it was a joke when then tried to throw a a red herring in. It was as if the usual suspects trailer showed you who Keyser size was, with the character saying "I am Keyser size."
 
2013-01-25 02:32:38 PM

x23: dittybopper: Ebenator: PirateKing: Also, plastic Arnold from Salvation was silly looking.

My lord, THIS. If you can't get Arnold, don't fake it. That fake Arnold was stupid.

You remember the scene in "The Running Man", where they digitally superimposed a face on an actor? That's just what they did for that scene in Salvation in real life.

the head they scanned to make that face swap wasn't technically even Arnolds. it was a couple generations removed.

they scanned the mold used to make the cheesy looking animatronic Arnold from the first movie (when he cuts his eye out). the body they used was the guy that played Arnold in some biographical film about him.

i actually thought it was decently effective in Salvation though. if they tried doing it for an entire movie... that would be pretty stupid.

my bigger issue is that the T-800 is supposed to be an "infiltration unit" designed to sneak into human compounds. seems like if they all look the same it kind of defeats the purpose. in the original Terminator they show that flash-forward with a non-Arnold looking T-800 getting into a base. but pretty much ever since then it has been all T-800s all look like Arnold. seems counterproductive.


Perhaps there is a second variety
 
2013-01-25 03:53:07 PM

Fano: Perhaps there is a second variety


There is a second variety. Watch the first film, the infiltration unit that manages to get into the humans hiding place isn't Arnold, it's Franco Columbu:

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-26 12:41:16 PM

dittybopper: yves0010: Ishkur: yves0010: Then again, in T1, did the T-800's pistol have a scope and laser site?

[thefilmexperience.net image 672x360]

That's all he used for the first half of the movie.

Thats why I thought he had a scope on his pistol. It was an over the barrel laser sight. It has been to long since I watched T1 and T2. Thanks for reminding me.

Consider this: An equivalent laser sight can now be built right into the handgrips of a gun, instead of being some huge tube on top of a big pistol.

/We've come a long way, Baby.


Consider this. That even isn't the entire laser system. The battery pack was hidden in his jacket, with a power cord running up his sleeve.
www.imfdb.org
 
2013-01-27 10:21:19 AM
FTFA:

"If we waited for the return of several films, some are sequels and others are adapted to 2013, as actors that they have not made any films, this is the turn of Arnold Schwarzenegger who after a flop on the big screen now returns with "Terminator 5"."

That's the first paragraph of the article. I stopped there. Is there actual, credible, news about a terminator 5? This aint it..
 
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